November 28, 2025 • 42 mins
Doug Gottlieb in for Colin as he gives credit to the Cowboys and Jerry Jones for knowing something that most people covering the sport did not: they were going to be fine this year. Doug welcomes former Bucs GM Mark Dominik to talk about the Cowboys, Shedeur Sanders and all of the headlines around the NFL. Doug sums up what went right for the Packers on Thanksgiving.
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Oh What Up America? Doug Gott leave in for Colin.
This is the Herd. Wherever you may be and however
you may be making us fun of your day. Thanks
so much. Colin is on vacation. You are very likely
out and about. Maybe you're doing Black Friday shopping. Maybe
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you're driving around somebody who's doing Black Friday shopping. Maybe
you had to work today, Like I got it, ma
there what you gotta do? Welcome in day after Thanksgiving.
Obviously you probably feel like you're like your swine, right.
I mean we ate it like two o'clock yesterday. I'm
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still full. I'm still full. But a good day for football.
Packers take down the Lions, Cowboys take down the Chiefs.
Bengals with Joe Burrow without and with Jamar Chase end
up taking down the Baltimore Ravens. So we'll get to
some football. Plus we've got unbelievable rivalry weekend in college
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football and the Egg Bowls one people are paying attention
to because they want to know what Lane Kiffin's doing.
All that is going to be discussed over the next
three hours. One of my favorite parts of listening to
Colin and being Colin's friend for years is the when
call them was right, when call them was wrong? Right.
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But I think there's a good portion of all of
us that need to go a my bad. Maybe this
is the classic. Cowboys aren't really good. They're just not
as bad as we thought they would be. But the
reality is the Cowboys took down the Chiefs, the Chiefs,
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the team. And again I'll be the first one to
tell you I've always just operated under the until further notice,
Chiefs win the AFC West Chiefs get to the AFC
Championship Game because that's what they do with Pat Mahomes
at quarterback, and until prove it otherwise, I was gonna
I'm gonna die on that die on that hill. But
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how can you not be impressed by the Dallas Cowboys.
I get it, I'm with you. I love when the
Packers took down the Cowboys a couple of years ago
in the playoffs, Dak throws all those picks in the
first half. I like you had just an enjoyable experience
watching the Cowboys fan meltdown on social media. But since
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the bye week they beat the Raiders created the Raiders
aren't particularly good, but we didn't think the Cowboys were good.
And remember this is after getting destroyed by Denver and
getting beaten by the Arizona Cardinals at home. The season
could have gone the way of the Dodo. Right. They
had lost three out of four games, two of them
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to non playoff teams in the Carolina Panthers in the
Arizona Arizona Cardinals. And what have they done over the
last five days. They beat the Eagles and they beat
the Chiefs. Granted both at home, but both thought to
be I mean, that's the last you know, Super Bowl
teams and teams that were thought to be playoff teams
this year. So at some point we go, hey, you know,
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they're not perfect. They create a lot of noise just
to create noise. They do seem to put themselves in
the same conundrum on a yearly basis, where they wait
until the last second and then always overpay their guy.
But this year is different. Instead of overpaying Michael Parsons,
they traded him and they were committed to stopping the run.
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And guess what, it kind of worked. Defense isn't great,
but it wasn't gonna be great with Michael Parsons, and
they handed the franchise to Dak Prescott. And by handed
to him, It's not just the contract extension they gave
him last year. It's not just the fact that he's
the starting quarterback and they put weapons around him, you know,
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going out and getting Pickens this year in a trade.
It's that they kept Brian Schottenheimer for the most part
because he's a good offensive coordinator. Dak Prescott likes him,
and they didn't want to have another language in Dak
Prescott's here when this one clearly works for him. And
what has Dak Prescott done three point fifty four two
last weekend, three twenty yesterday, one hundred and twelve yards
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with CD Lamb last week it was Pickens that was
the main target. It doesn't matter. Dak Prescott has shown
himself to be a top ten at worst quarterback in
the regular season this year, maybe even top five. And
though it is offense first, the defense does stop the run.
They are better than we thought. The Cowboys. They're not great,
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They're not gonna win the Super Bowl, but they're far
from the laughing stock that people want to portray the
mass and as a collective group of Cowboys haters, which
most of us are right, it's weird. It's, for whatever reason,
a very polarizing team. You either are a Cowboys fan
and a constant believer that this is the year, or
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you kind of laugh and scoff at the Cowboys, even
if they're not a rival of your team. And I've
said this on my show, the Doug Gottlieb Show follows
this show it has for the last eight years on
Fox Sports Trading on the iHeartRadio app. I've said on
my show that yes, Jerry Jones does things just for effect.
Jerry Jones will say some weird stuff, but by and large,
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whether it's Jerry or his son, if you ask football
people that I'll tell you Cowboys have good players. It
doesn't always work, and it hasn't gotten them Super Bowl.
But the Cowboys, if we're questioning Jerry as a GM
in terms of their evaluations, some of their signings. It's
not going to be one hundred percent hit rate. It
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isn't for anybody, Chiefs, Eagles, nobody hits one hundred percent
free agents or draft picks. But they're better more often
than they're not when him and his group are making selections.
Here's Jerry talking about the two big wins of the
over a four day stretch.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
I have them, really, I don't remember a better plub
I've got two games back to back here at home,
and these guys played inspired.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Kansas City had.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
A nice crowd here, and so it was really important
to us to play the way we did because they
were here to for kindly be.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
There for Kansas City.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
So I just can't tell you the respect I.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
Have Kansas City.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Here's Brian Shott, number, the head coach of the cow Boys,
on his quarterback Dak Prescott's performance.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
I thought he was incredible. I mean, you know, I
really do. I think, you know, throw an interception on whatever,
the second or third play the game is never how
you want to start. We were actually were hot, and
you know, he tried to beat it with the throw
and the corner did a nice job. He kind of
baited him into it. But I mean, that's that's who
we are as a football team. You know, we go
out there and we turn it over in the first
couple of plays. They go I think two plays and
score a touchdown, and we never panicked. We're not going
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to panic this team.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Why would we panic.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
We've got all the confidence in the world and one another,
and then we're going to figure it out and we're
going to make, you know, really good adjustments.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
And and look, there is a discussion about the Chiefs
and the ten penalties, but outside of fourth down conversions,
where the Chiefs got three out of three, Cowboys more yards,
more first downs, fewer penalties, nine of sixteen on third down,
whereas the Chiefs were five of thirteen, and they had
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the ball longer than the Chiefs, and the Chiefs didn't
turn it over and didn't win the game. Here's Dak
Prescott on his team.
Speaker 6 (08:05):
Having to get these wins against two elite teams. I mean,
the two teams that played in the Super Bowl last year.
Last year is last year. But you're talking about two
organizations that obviously know how to win, and we just
beat them both in two great games. As you said
in four days and just showing the resiliency of this unit,
of this brotherhood on top of everything that we've been through. Yeah,
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I don't know if there's been two more impressive wins,
but I can tell you right now that we're not
going to just sit on some high because of that.
We know we've got a big one coming again next week.
And all this really does for us is just give
us more confidence knowing that we can go play with whoever.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
It's true, and they do have a big one. They
go to Detroit. Detroit just lost the Packers yesterday. You
know that one's right around the corner here on a Thursday,
so you know, both teams have the same amount of
time off, but it's right back at it. Then they
get Vikings at home, Chargers at home, they go to
the Commanders, to the Giants. I mean, even if they
can't beat the Lions, will probably be favorites in three
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of those last four games, and the window for the
Cowboys making the playoffs is very much open. To the
point of is this This is not me to saying
the Cowboys are the best team in the NFL. This
is not me saying Dak Prescott's the best quarterback in
the NFL, or Brian Schottenheimer's the best coach in the NFL,
or Jerry Jones the best GM in the NFL. But
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when we started the season and they had the hold
out with Micah Parsons and he's laying there on the
training table, you had so many people saying, pay the
guy Cowboys are and it's easy. Cowboys are a clown organization.
They don't pay guys, and then ultimately they overpay and
they're still not commedy good. And then when they were
competitive with Philadelphia week one of the season, you can
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feel free to raise your hand. I will as well
where you think I was surprised by it. Then they
get blown out by the Bears. Third week of the season,
you're like, okay, they're addressing the mean. They tie the
Packers and that felt like a massive upset. They lose
to the Panthers, and now they're playing more like the
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Cowboys you expected. They win the last three, they're very
much in the playoff hunt, and it's okay to go.
You know, they did a pretty good job considering they
don't have a great defense. They got to rework it
in the offseason. But now they have some draft picks,
and they locked up Dak long term. And if you
like me, were never really a Dak guy. I'm not
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a Dak Denier like he stinks, but he has not
been good in the playoffs. He's been outstanding this year.
They've been way better than anybody thinks. And you can
make fun of Jerry Jones's comments and the weird way
in which sometimes he tells a story, but those are
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pretty good football guys. DEVI got a pretty good job
of putting a more than decent product on the field,
and the Cowboys are way better than most anyone thought.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Yeah, Jase two, Yeah, remember the Jerry Jones documentary that
came out. I forget the name of it, but it was.
It was a really good watch. It was the Jerry
Jones version of the Cowboys story in the nineties, yep.
And the big takeaway from that for me was that
the biggest point of contention between him and Jimmy Johnson
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over the years, and I don't even think they've settled
it to today, was who made the deal for Marshall Walker?
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah, who gets credit?
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Who gets credit? And they've they've they literally didn't talk,
and they had all these issues I had thought when
he traded Micah at the beginning of the year that
he was kind of feeling his oats from that documentary.
He watched it and he's like, I'm gonna make a deal.
This is all me. I signed off on this, and
this is going to be one of my signature moments
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as a football decision maker. And can you say now
that so far that has worked because he got so
much crap when he first did it.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
No question, I think he got a lot of crap
because people also thought it was it was his own
fault for not resigning Micah Parsons early. But it was early,
you know, and at some point you get to the ay,
we're not going to be great defensively with him, so
why should we resign him to a gigantic contract which
will harbor our ability to be good, you know, in
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the future. But yeah, maybe it was as a reaction
to that doc Maybe the timing was just curious. Maybe
I don't know. You bring up a very very good point,
but all we can go by is this year and
most people thought the Cowboys would kind of be a
joke playing for a high seed, right, and that Brian
Schottenheim would simply have the job for a short period
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of time, and then he'd bring in somebody else. And
to this point it's okay to go, hey, we were wrong.
We were wrong. Every guy hits that moment you feel
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Even for Colin it's the Herd. You're on Fox Sports
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Most of you, mostly in the Midwest, know that it's coming.
We got a little we got a little dust in
the other day, but it's it's coming. It's coming tomorrow,
first first snowstorm of the season. Mark Dominic doesn't have
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these problems, right, I mean, he he picked an organization
in Tampa. He's a Florida guy, Florida, California. People like,
I don't know what you're talking about. How you talking
about former gentle manager of the Tampa Buccaneers, of course,
spent his entire professional life in the National Football League
and he joins us now in the Herd on Fox
Sports Radio. How were we so wrong about the Cowboys? Mark?
Speaker 5 (15:57):
Yeah, you know, they've just been so inconsistent and it's
been hard to understand what team we're going to see
each week. And yesterday we saw that the offense continues
to shine under Brian Schottenheimer and what Dak Prescott was
able to do, and it certainly George Dickens made a
lot of great plays, so along with Ferguson, and so
the Cowboys have found a way to be, you know,
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just frustratingly inconsistent, but yet still have a shot and
a path to the postseason somehow.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Okay, what about the Chiefs. You know, it's like you
go back about a month ago, You're like, all right,
here they come and here they sit. You know, it's
it's I mean, look, my faith remains in Andy Reid
and Pat Mahomes, but heck dayed loss coming out of
a bye which you know does have more in kansaity
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than did in Philadelphia, but rarely happens. And you look,
the Broncos and Bills are good teams, the culture good teams.
So some of its schedule, but some of it is
they're just what's missing there?
Speaker 5 (17:00):
Well, I think two things. I think Number one, you know,
we saw sadly Josh Simmons looks like he might be
done for the year. You know, John Taylor's they're going
with their second or third and fourth offensive tackles. And
in Kansas City, we've seen it over and over again
when that offensive line starts to get depleted, they can't win.
And that's where they sit right now, is they just
can't keep as much as Patrick was, you know, throwing
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the ball well and obviously the touchdowns yesterday. That offensive
lines in shambles right now. And that's that's the demise
of the Chiefs and why they won't make the postseason.
Even with a couple of teams, I think they can win.
The other part of the Chiefs that you see when
you watch them play is they're not fast. Defensively, they're strong,
they're powerful, but they're not fast. And to me, that
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shows up as well.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
You know what that reminds me of. It reminds me
of the end of the Patriots run, right, I mean
when when the downfall of the Patriots. Obviously, when Brady left,
they didn't have a quarterback, but even prior to that,
people like yourself, NFL people all said that the Patriots
they just weren't fast, they weren't flying around anymore. How
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hard is that to fix? Can you fix that in
one offseason?
Speaker 5 (18:08):
I think you can. I mean again, you're going to,
you know, decide what you want to do for answer,
but the draft is going to be a piece where
you can absolutely add some speed and get to you know,
maybe a linebacker. They need a speed rush edge is
what they really need to need. Somebody that can come
off the edge, that can just you know, win the fastball.
And that's what they don't have to me consistently at all.
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And so I think you're gonna have to look to
the draft, you know, and then say first or second round.
That's where I think the Chiefs have to pinpoint somebody
that can get the edge and can win with a
fastball and hopefully develop an other rush move. The kid
seems can be in a weird spot. I mean, I
don't again, I don't think they're going to make the
postseason just because I don't. I think Jacksonville has too
many wins that are still on the board Buffalo can
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you know, And so somebody's going to win you know,
the North somehow. But I just don't think kids that
you can put enough w's on the board now to
get to the postseason. So they'll be picking, you know,
which they haven't done in a long long time.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Okay, we go from met Lafleur a couple of weeks ago,
I go to the Eagles game and Super super conservative,
and you and I have talked about it on my
show where I'm like, well, yeah, you lose Tucker, you
Tucker Craft, and you lose your left tackle. And the
Eagles obviously have an unbelievable pass rush as we saw
against the Lions, and so maybe that's the reason they
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were so concerned. You go from that to what we
saw from the floor over the past two weeks, especially yesterday,
why has his play calling been so different?
Speaker 5 (19:34):
In your opinion, he's been more aggressive. I think he's
kind of said, hey, look, it is what it is,
we're gonna and I think he feels Jordan love when
Jordan's kind of in the zone. I think he calls
the game based off out Jordan's playing. And yesterday Jordan
was making throws and you know, you got to give
Lafloor a ton of credit that fourth down call to
go to throw the ball up to Wix and Wix
makes the catch to you know, basically him the game
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kill the clock. That's a huge decision where they're sitting
on the field knowing you can bax them up all
the way to probably the top, you know, inside of
ten and make them drive the links the field instead
he says, I'm going to win the game right here,
and Jordan Love makes the throw. But I think the
floor is feeding off of where Jordan Love's confidence is,
and you're seeing him be more aggressive with the play
call because of it.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Stugg Gottliebin for Collins to hurt. Fox Sports Radio, iHeart
Radio app. You and I have also discussed that as
a as a play caller, Dan Campbell feels like he
calls plays, but he's not offensive coordinator. Right, this is
a play here, a play there. It's not as smooth,
doesn't have the same rhythm. What did you think of yesterday?
Speaker 5 (20:35):
Yeah, I kind of feel the same way, Like, you know,
it's you know, the one thing about Jared Goffin and
maybe the entire offense is having you know, it's interesting
you think about it from the defensive standpoint. For an
offensive standpoint, right, the offensive coordinators like three and out
didn't work out, We'll just punt. The defensive coordinator sits
there and goes, hey, three and it didn't work. It's well,
they just scored a touchdown. It's just a completely different
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way to look for the game, right. I think if
you think of at home, you're like, yeah, I've never
thought of it that way, like an off of the
quarter like if it doesn't work out, he just put
the ball and try again. It doesn't work out, on defense,
you're in trouble. And so that's what makes it hard.
And I also think to your point, Doug, like you
want to find the rhythm with your quarterback where you're feeling,
like we just talked about with the floor, feeling the
emotions of the game, or feeling the offensive guy that
he spends the entire time on. You know that this
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is what I feel like is the right direction Detroit,
and this is that a little bit. Certainly, Ben Johnson's
done a great job in Chicago put the Bears where
they are, but this is the coordinator that they desperately
lost and desperately miss.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Okay, let's go to the night gap. Let's start on
the negative. What's wrong with Lamar Jackson?
Speaker 5 (21:40):
Yeah, I just I feel like he's just missing grows
And I know that we're all watching it unfolded. Just
the lack of like the locked in or the decision making,
and he just looked like he was, you know, rushing
himself and then quickly explicting the fall out and trying
to make him play and just it's affected his accuracy.
And I don't think it was the weather atall. This
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has been something we've seen with Lamar. It's not processing
very well for him, and therefore, you know he's looking
at Aaron and his accuracy's really off, almost back to
like his rookie campaign kind of a feeling where like,
what's going on with this guy? So I don't have
a great answer for why Lamar Jackson feels like he's
regressed based off what he's been able to do in
the past, But I would say that the main thing
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is that I feel like he's rushing as you're watching
on the field, like he's like someone's in this year
saying you got to make a decision, hurry up and
make a decision. And because of that, I think he's
throwing the ball, you know, early, and it's throwing off
his accuracy.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
I guess my question is, you know, Greg Roman, they
thought they had hit a ceiling with Greg Roman's offense,
and my thought was, like, you want MVP with that offense.
I don't. I don't think that's what it was. But
you know, you're bringing Monk in and it's a passing
based offense. He still runs, but it's more. Hey, now
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he's been the league. Now he's a better Now he's
a better passer, not just a thrower. And again, and
their defense isn't you know when they were failing in
the playoffs previously, the defense was awesome and the offense,
you know, was allowed to just run the football and
to be conservative occasionally take a shot. Is it too
much for him to carry the team as a passer.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
It feels like it right now, right. I mean, Mike
McDonald obtis is a great defensive corarter, has done a
great job as the head coach down Seattle and getting
them in position of the postseason, and they missed that
he was you know, he's brilliantly smart. And so they
missed that defensive side of the ball where maybe the
town's not to the level and seeing the Ravens before,
but they were technically on top of everything offensively. The
frustrating thing for me when I watched the Ravens, and
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I'm sure Ravens stans too, they could have run the
ball last night like they were running the ball perfectly fine.
They just couldn't stick with it. But you know, if
they could just find a way to get back to
Derrick Henry and giving him the ball twenty plus times
a game. I think that even if they fall behind
ten or twelve or thirteen points, I think you still
want to focus on Derrick Henry getting the ball because that,
to me is your ticket to finding a way to
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still win the North, which again is wide open, and
even the Bengals, as hard as it's been to imagine
and so late, you're only a few games out now,
you know, and I know we don't have a lot
of games left, but you know, it might be nine
and eight or eight and nine could win that division,
which before the season started, Doug, I would have never
dreamt that with those three teams Pittsburgh obviously, Baltimore and Cincinnati,
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I would have never dreamt it would have been that
kind of an outcome before the season's ended up right.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Now, I'm obviously as a coach, I'm even a football fan.
You love what Joe Burrows said, And here's here's kind
of my takeaway. Mark, just stick with me, let me
kind of explain it. Were so critical of athletes when
it's load management or when they shut it down, you know,
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late in the college football season, late in the NFL season,
and yet our generation, you and I were kind of
the ones that came up with this idea of load
management or protecting the asset that is the player in college,
in the pros or whatever. So if anything, we got
to be self critical and understand that, you know, gen
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X is being critical of gen Z for an idea,
for an idea and a plan that is really a
gen X planing. That being said, what does it say.
What does Joe Burrow playing despite the very very slight
chance of making the playoffs say about Burrow and how
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we view him?
Speaker 5 (25:30):
Yeah, I mean, if you I'm sure as we watched
the game last night, we saw the injury history of
Joe Burrow and it's it's something that I've talked about
multiple times over the years that that's just a sad
fact of his career, whether it was in college or
now in the NFL, that he gets banged up a lot.
And I think for Joe, he wants to prove that
he can be out there with the guys and he
understands every year can be magical and special and you
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just don't know how it's longer you get to play
this game, it can be taken away from you in
a blink. And so I love that that he decided
that he wanted to be out there. And I think
it also because the Bangs were mathematically still alive that
you put him back out there and say, hey, look
let's let's see what we can do and see what
we're kind of spark we can give the team. And
even though we started a little slow, he's certainly you know,
sped up and really kind of you know, looks like
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the Joe Burrow that you know, could have been the
team that you know. When's the division and we'll see.
I mean again, we've got only a few We got
enough games left where you could say, yeah, it would
be bizarre, but you know, they play each other, They've
got to play out the opponents. You know, nothing's only
a part for any team right now in the North.
It's a stretch. But it was fun to watch him
be out there and show that, you know, as a leader,
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he's going to if he can be there, he'll be there.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Okay, help me out, I need the absolute neutral former
general manager, former player personnel guy, your opinion on Shudor Sanders.
How did he play in his first week as a starter.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
Uh. You know, you know you got to give him
credit for at least you know, I know, you make
the half back pass and you know you got to
let the running back. You know, Scamper's in for a
long touchdown and so he gets sustats to that, but
he still has to get the balls he hand to
put in the right spot. You know, he made the
one throw it down the field, but overall, I still felt
like the game was uber fast for him. I don't
feel like it's and I would have him the start
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of this week. I would EITHEREM get three or four
starts unless he failed desperately or terribly, I should say,
you know, I would go ahead and get a sense
because really where the Browns sit as an organization is
who's the number two? It's bly going to be the
number two? Is should Door good enough to be a
number two? Let's figure that out, because there's really no
number one on this roster. I don't think it's either
one of these guys based off of what I've seen
(27:34):
from both of them this year. But I would like
to see more should Door. But I don't think it's
going to get better. Honestly, Doug, I just I'm not
a hater on Shadu or anything like that. I just
feel like the processing's too fast for him, and he
doesn't process it fast enough. And like what he was
able to do in Colorado where the system was really quick,
we can get the ball out. Now things are everything's
moving so much faster. I think it's hard for him.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Is that something that improves with experience?
Speaker 5 (27:59):
Usually it can, and because the games of quote unquote
slows down for young players, but to me, the style
of play, this is why should do her dropped? Because
a lot of people worried about the system he played
in Colorado that was so quarterback friendly for him specifically
that can that translate over So a lot of people
are like, I don't know what you know, I thought
he was a first round pick. Well, a lot of
scouts went in there, though, you know, I don't know
(28:19):
about this office is what we're going to run the NFL,
And so therefore, do I feel like he's got the
same tools I can get him to where he needs
to go to the next level, and a lot of
clips that I don't think so, you know, and obviously
the other things around you to her, he's tried to
handle those the best he can. But I think when
you watch it, yes, you're supposed to get more time,
but to me, I still think you're going to see
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a lot of interceptions over the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Okay, same question with JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
I think it's fair, and I think the same thing
is very frustrating for JJ. Also is that you feel
like he should be able to do it and be
more of a consistent player, you know, one through four quarters,
and not be spurty. And I think that the same
thing though, is no matter what I played JJ the
rest of the year, as long as he can be
on the football field to find out exactly what I have.
But I got to understand that as an organization, I
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don't have to be married to him. As much as
that sounds crazy, he's only two years in and this
is really only his first year. You know. The one
mistake you can do is say, well, we'll just give
him one more year and so we can get just
figured out. If the Vikings are in a position where
they could draft another quarterback and say, hey, look we're
to make a competition, but we've got to find that guy.
That's what you have to do because In the end,
we all know that that's really what matters the most
(29:28):
is who's pulling the trigger on your football team in
that position. If that need, you have to go back
to the well again, go back to the well. Look
at Chris Ballard. He's done it basically every year as
a coach GM. He's had a different starter out there,
and now he may have found the right one at
Daniel Jones for a while.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Mark, you're the best man. I love your analysis obviously,
I respect all the experience you have and I hope
you had a great Thanksgiving with the family enjoyed this weekend.
We'll talk to you next week on my show. In
the meantime, thanks so much for being a guest and.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
The hurt thanks for having me on. Dog Happy Thanksgiving Brothers.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
You too, Mark Amen joins us on the Doug Gottlieb
on cee me on the Herd Doug Gottifilion for Colin. Yeah,
let's get to Jason Stewart with the news.
Speaker 7 (30:09):
No, no, no, this is the Herd Line news.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Hey, Doug. By the way, hold on real quick. By
the way, Merry Christmas to you, Jason, and I say
Merry Christmas because I do feel like holidays are like
the price is right, where once you go over, you
can't go back right again. Is it okay? It's okay
to wish to be a happy Thanksgiving, but generally nobody
(30:35):
wishes mery Christmas on the twenty sixth, nobody wishes happy
Halloween on November second or third, and nobody wishes happy
Thanksgiving today, right, even though it is Thanksgiving weekend. So
I'm okay with it, But generally I want to be
the first to tell you Mary Christmas.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
Jason, Well, that's nice of you, thank you. I think
it's a little too early, though, so I can't fully
accept that. I think happy Holidays is a safe route.
And by the way, after New Year, you've got fourteen
days to wish people happy to hear fourteen days after
the new year. Those are my rules.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
How long are you allowed that classic very cheesy dad joke.
I just got used to writing twenty twenty five on
my checks in the new year? Is that allowed?
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Yeah? I mean, if people still write personal checks anymore,
I think that you could probably still do it, and
you could allow your boomer grandfather to do it.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah, okay, all right, well sorry, go ahead, egg ball.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
No it's right in the middle of this egg ball
is on right now, Doug, and they're trading Haymakers Old
Miss against Mississippi State at Mississippi State fourteen to seven
as we speak. But there are bigger, bigger things involved
in this. So there's a press conference tomorrow to discuss
Lane Kiffin's future. I need to know your confidence level
(31:51):
right now and whether or not he stays at Old Miss.
And as a second question, if he does leave and
he doesn't coach the play off games, should the committee
factor that into their seating.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Uh No, I don't think they should factor it in.
If he does leave, I don't because he's gonna coach
the He's going to coach the bull Kame, He's gonna
he's gonna coach the playoff to win it.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Again, I I think I think by not saying I'm staying,
although he has said I'm staying previously when it was
just a Florida job open, I still think he's staying.
But if he does leave. If he does leave, I
don't think he can be factored in because you can
(32:48):
factor it in if the coach isn't going to coach.
You can factor it in if the player isn't gonna
play like Florida State a couple years ago. I had
no problem with them getting left out of the College
twelve playoff. They weren't the same team after losing the quarterback.
You won't be the same team if Flank Giffon's not
your coach. But he will be the coach, and there's
no reason to think that he can't be engaged in
trying to win and then probably trying to take all
(33:08):
of his underclassmen with him to LSU if he if
be'st chabb he takes.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
Okay, So you're introducing an angle here that I haven't heard.
I was under the impression that if he decides to leave,
he's not coaching the team, that he's going to go
to the next school.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
So he's not coaching the team, then absolutely outhold against him.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Okay, Okay, So there you go. As another big game tomorrow,
Rivalry Weekend is Vanderbilt playing Tennessee fourteenth r Vanderbilt nineteenth
ranked Tennessee. ESPN is reporting Doug that Vanderbilt has agreed
to a new contract with head coach Clark Lee. It
(33:47):
is a reported new six year deal to keep the
Commodore's coach. I'm guessing you're for this decision. You're a
head coach. You like when head coaches get compensated and
rewarded for good work.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
I'm guessing, well, I mean, he's got great work, not
good work, right, I mean, when do we think Vanderbilt
was like a legit contender in the SEC? Now part
of it is Vanderbilt private school has all that money
and now they've decided to spend it. They spend the facilities,
they spent it obviously on their team. Diego Pavia, you know,
has really changed the landscape of all college sports with
his lawsuit, which won. But yeah, I mean I think
(34:24):
it's huge for Vanderbilt to be able to hold onto
their guy, for Clark Lee not to be able to
go go to what people consider it like a real
SEC school. Vanderbilt has become a real SEC school and
now they have the draw of Nashville, right Like, they're
the one SEC team outside of I guess Texas. You know,
that's in a major city that people want to live
(34:45):
in and want to work it. You know, Athens is
like an hour from Georgia, so it's close and it's
but it's still a college town, like they're unique and
they're able to draw to that. Yeah, I do like it.
I don't like this. I love it. Vanderbilt being able
to retain their head coach and put all their financial
resources into football and being rewarded in successful for it.
(35:06):
That's a great story.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
Oh I agree. I agree.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
Okay, So finally, and this opens a whole. We could
do an entire show or a podcast.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Can I can? I want one thing just again. I
was the guy just and Vanderbilt fans will tell you,
I was the guy that would say Vanderbilt is in
but not of the SEC back in the day, right,
because they were the school that cared about academics and
not as many hot women, right, And they were the
private not the public. And they you know, they they
(35:36):
they were good more at the Olympic sports than the
traditional sports and basketball and football they didn't even have it.
I don't even think they have an athletic director. They had.
They took off the name of athletic director a couple
of years ago, maybe ten years ago at Vanderbilt. So
this is Vanderbilt saying, hey, we're we're we're big boy
into sports now.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
I had no idea that women at Vanderbilt were less attractive.
I don't think we should have that conversation in twenty
twenty five, but I'm guessing that there's a phrase that.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Was like it, that was like a twenty fourteen discussion made.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm guessing there's a phrase that she's
Vandy hot.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yeah, Vanny Hotandy ten? Is a is what a way? Four? No?
Speaker 5 (36:16):
Is that no?
Speaker 2 (36:17):
At Tusca Loosa six? Oh man?
Speaker 4 (36:21):
So, uh, I don't know if you missed this one,
but uh, Joe Burrow led his team to win last
night and then in this Melissa Stark thing afterwards where
they feed everyone turkey. I think it looks ridiculous, and
it was ridiculous. Joe Burrow steered clear of it and
was asked about it after the after the game.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
I didn't touch it.
Speaker 5 (36:41):
I didn't touch it. I didn't I don't know who
made it.
Speaker 7 (36:43):
I don't know where they made it.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
I'm good.
Speaker 7 (36:45):
I had a little pepper that I was good.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
I was good with the pepper.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
What do you think about eating food that you don't
know where it was made or by whom?
Speaker 2 (36:55):
I mean, don't we do that every day? It's a
good point I'm seriously right, Like you go to Chipotle,
you don't know who's who's back there making Chipotle. I
got a better feeling that Chipotle is is made. I
got more confidence in whoever makes the NFL network's dinner
than I do who's making my And I'll throw Qdoba
in there, so we're not just separating Chipotle and Kudoba,
(37:17):
same place, different name, right, Yeah, I I he's probably more.
I don't know who's touched it. He might be a
germ guy, and that I do get right. It's like
after a game, it's put on the field. I know
touches it, but I'm going to guess that was probably
made by a pretty good catering surface. Whereas you know,
(37:39):
you get a little fast casual on the way home,
you have no idea who's back there in the kitchen
and what their intentions are.
Speaker 7 (37:45):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stumping by the
herd line news.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
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Speaker 2 (38:18):
Doug Gottibin for Colin. This is the Herd Fox Sports
Radio on the iHeartRadio app. Welcome in. Mmmmmmmmmm doo doo
doo doo doo doo. So the Packers beat the Lions
and it you know, what's a weird year for last year?
It's like the opposite last year. Last year the Packers
(38:39):
were really good in division. Let me see, were Putriot Division.
The only division win was uh uh on the the
the Doinker right in uh in Chicago. That was the
only win they had in the vision. Now they're three
to oher in the division and you know, struggling at
times outside vision. Here's Matt laflora Packer's head coach, summon
(39:02):
up to win.
Speaker 9 (39:04):
Now, that was a great football game. I mean to
come in here against a really quality opponent. I mean
they got great players, great coaches. I've got so much
respect for what they've been able to accomplish the last
few years. And it's all you know, it's going to
be a battle every time you come in here. But
I was really proud of our players. This was a
playoff type atmosphere and to be able to come in
(39:25):
and went on the road is big for us. Either
getting better, you're getting worse, or never staying the same.
So I'm proud of our guys. But we got to
keep building on this, and we can't think that we've
arrived by any stretch, because as soon as you do that,
you get beat. So we got to keep just keep
fighting and clawing and trying to get a little bit better.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Yeah, I mean, listen and to people who are critical
of how much they ran the ball against the Eagles.
I mean, obviously, you know, Jordan Love kind of scrambling
five times. When you take that out and you know
there's still twenty five, you know, twenty five Harry's, if
you will, more twenty two in terms of traditional you know,
and thirty attempts. But it's pretty obvious that since the
(40:09):
Eagles game, he's gotten more aggressive. It's got more aggressive.
I mean, he's almost taken on kind of the the
Dan Campbell mentality a little bit in terms of going
forward on fourth down. Here's Jordan Love on those fourth
down conversions.
Speaker 10 (40:24):
If you able to go out there on fourth down
to execute and make some big time plays, it is
really the difference in that game right there. So you know,
that's what it comes down to, is just going out
there executing and those got to have it plays and
we may play tonight, everybody.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
It's fascinating, right they have two against the Bears, with
the Broncos on the road in between. All within the
next three weeks. The Bears, who are you know, ahead
of them in the standings, you know, still have they
have the Eagles on the road and the Packers on
the road in back to back weeks. You know, And
(41:00):
this is a Bears team that, though anybody would tell
you they're vastly improved, right, think about this. The Bears
have beaten the Cowboys at home. Granted, Cowboys trending towards
a playoff team, Raiders, Commanders on the road, Saints at home,
Bengals at home, Bengals on the road, Giants at home,
(41:21):
Vikings on the road, Steelers at home, if you're an
honest person, you go. You know, the Bears haven't beaten
a team outside of the Steelers that as of now
is an absolute playoff team, only two wins over teams
with the above five hundred record, that being the Cowboys
and the Steelers. So we'll find out a lot more
(41:42):
about the Bears as the Packers are trending in the
right way, and they're trending the right way as their
coach has gotten way more aggressive with his play calling
since the Eagles game. Every guy hits that moment you
feel it less drive, less fire. I don't accept that.
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Oh What Up America? Doug Gott leave in for Colin.
This is the Herd. Wherever you may be and however
you may be making us fun of your day. Thanks
so much. Colin is on vacation. You are very likely
out and about. Maybe you're doing Black Friday shopping. Maybe
(00:44):
you're driving around somebody who's doing Black Friday shopping. Maybe
you had to work today, Like I got it, ma
there what you gotta do? Welcome in day after Thanksgiving.
Obviously you probably feel like you're like your swine, right.
I mean we ate it like two o'clock yesterday. I'm
(01:06):
still full. I'm still full. But a good day for football.
Packers take down the Lions, Cowboys take down the Chiefs.
Bengals with Joe Burrow without and with Jamar Chase end
up taking down the Baltimore Ravens. So we'll get to
some football. Plus we've got unbelievable rivalry weekend in college
(01:28):
football and the Egg Bowls one people are paying attention
to because they want to know what Lane Kiffin's doing.
All that is going to be discussed over the next
three hours. One of my favorite parts of listening to
Colin and being Colin's friend for years is the when
call them was right, when call them was wrong? Right.
(01:48):
But I think there's a good portion of all of
us that need to go a my bad. Maybe this
is the classic. Cowboys aren't really good. They're just not
as bad as we thought they would be. But the
reality is the Cowboys took down the Chiefs, the Chiefs,
(02:09):
the team. And again I'll be the first one to
tell you I've always just operated under the until further notice,
Chiefs win the AFC West Chiefs get to the AFC
Championship Game because that's what they do with Pat Mahomes
at quarterback, and until prove it otherwise, I was gonna
I'm gonna die on that die on that hill. But
(02:33):
how can you not be impressed by the Dallas Cowboys.
I get it, I'm with you. I love when the
Packers took down the Cowboys a couple of years ago
in the playoffs, Dak throws all those picks in the
first half. I like you had just an enjoyable experience
watching the Cowboys fan meltdown on social media. But since
(02:56):
the bye week they beat the Raiders created the Raiders
aren't particularly good, but we didn't think the Cowboys were good.
And remember this is after getting destroyed by Denver and
getting beaten by the Arizona Cardinals at home. The season
could have gone the way of the Dodo. Right. They
had lost three out of four games, two of them
(03:17):
to non playoff teams in the Carolina Panthers in the
Arizona Arizona Cardinals. And what have they done over the
last five days. They beat the Eagles and they beat
the Chiefs. Granted both at home, but both thought to
be I mean, that's the last you know, Super Bowl
teams and teams that were thought to be playoff teams
this year. So at some point we go, hey, you know,
(03:43):
they're not perfect. They create a lot of noise just
to create noise. They do seem to put themselves in
the same conundrum on a yearly basis, where they wait
until the last second and then always overpay their guy.
But this year is different. Instead of overpaying Michael Parsons,
they traded him and they were committed to stopping the run.
(04:05):
And guess what, it kind of worked. Defense isn't great,
but it wasn't gonna be great with Michael Parsons, and
they handed the franchise to Dak Prescott. And by handed
to him, It's not just the contract extension they gave
him last year. It's not just the fact that he's
the starting quarterback and they put weapons around him, you know,
(04:27):
going out and getting Pickens this year in a trade.
It's that they kept Brian Schottenheimer for the most part
because he's a good offensive coordinator. Dak Prescott likes him,
and they didn't want to have another language in Dak
Prescott's here when this one clearly works for him. And
what has Dak Prescott done three point fifty four two
last weekend, three twenty yesterday, one hundred and twelve yards
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with CD Lamb last week it was Pickens that was
the main target. It doesn't matter. Dak Prescott has shown
himself to be a top ten at worst quarterback in
the regular season this year, maybe even top five. And
though it is offense first, the defense does stop the run.
They are better than we thought. The Cowboys. They're not great,
(05:11):
They're not gonna win the Super Bowl, but they're far
from the laughing stock that people want to portray the
mass and as a collective group of Cowboys haters, which
most of us are right, it's weird. It's, for whatever reason,
a very polarizing team. You either are a Cowboys fan
and a constant believer that this is the year, or
(05:34):
you kind of laugh and scoff at the Cowboys, even
if they're not a rival of your team. And I've
said this on my show, the Doug Gottlieb Show follows
this show it has for the last eight years on
Fox Sports Trading on the iHeartRadio app. I've said on
my show that yes, Jerry Jones does things just for effect.
Jerry Jones will say some weird stuff, but by and large,
(05:56):
whether it's Jerry or his son, if you ask football
people that I'll tell you Cowboys have good players. It
doesn't always work, and it hasn't gotten them Super Bowl.
But the Cowboys, if we're questioning Jerry as a GM
in terms of their evaluations, some of their signings. It's
not going to be one hundred percent hit rate. It
(06:17):
isn't for anybody, Chiefs, Eagles, nobody hits one hundred percent
free agents or draft picks. But they're better more often
than they're not when him and his group are making selections.
Here's Jerry talking about the two big wins of the
over a four day stretch.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
I have them, really, I don't remember a better plub
I've got two games back to back here at home,
and these guys played inspired.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Kansas City had.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
A nice crowd here, and so it was really important
to us to play the way we did because they
were here to for kindly be.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
There for Kansas City.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
So I just can't tell you the respect I.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
Have Kansas City.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Here's Brian Shott, number, the head coach of the cow Boys,
on his quarterback Dak Prescott's performance.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
I thought he was incredible. I mean, you know, I
really do. I think, you know, throw an interception on whatever,
the second or third play the game is never how
you want to start. We were actually were hot, and
you know, he tried to beat it with the throw
and the corner did a nice job. He kind of
baited him into it. But I mean, that's that's who
we are as a football team. You know, we go
out there and we turn it over in the first
couple of plays. They go I think two plays and
score a touchdown, and we never panicked. We're not going
(07:24):
to panic this team.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Why would we panic.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
We've got all the confidence in the world and one another,
and then we're going to figure it out and we're
going to make, you know, really good adjustments.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
And and look, there is a discussion about the Chiefs
and the ten penalties, but outside of fourth down conversions,
where the Chiefs got three out of three, Cowboys more yards,
more first downs, fewer penalties, nine of sixteen on third down,
whereas the Chiefs were five of thirteen, and they had
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the ball longer than the Chiefs, and the Chiefs didn't
turn it over and didn't win the game. Here's Dak
Prescott on his team.
Speaker 6 (08:05):
Having to get these wins against two elite teams. I mean,
the two teams that played in the Super Bowl last year.
Last year is last year. But you're talking about two
organizations that obviously know how to win, and we just
beat them both in two great games. As you said
in four days and just showing the resiliency of this unit,
of this brotherhood on top of everything that we've been through. Yeah,
(08:26):
I don't know if there's been two more impressive wins,
but I can tell you right now that we're not
going to just sit on some high because of that.
We know we've got a big one coming again next week.
And all this really does for us is just give
us more confidence knowing that we can go play with whoever.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
It's true, and they do have a big one. They
go to Detroit. Detroit just lost the Packers yesterday. You
know that one's right around the corner here on a Thursday,
so you know, both teams have the same amount of
time off, but it's right back at it. Then they
get Vikings at home, Chargers at home, they go to
the Commanders, to the Giants. I mean, even if they
can't beat the Lions, will probably be favorites in three
(09:04):
of those last four games, and the window for the
Cowboys making the playoffs is very much open. To the
point of is this This is not me to saying
the Cowboys are the best team in the NFL. This
is not me saying Dak Prescott's the best quarterback in
the NFL, or Brian Schottenheimer's the best coach in the NFL,
or Jerry Jones the best GM in the NFL. But
(09:26):
when we started the season and they had the hold
out with Micah Parsons and he's laying there on the
training table, you had so many people saying, pay the
guy Cowboys are and it's easy. Cowboys are a clown organization.
They don't pay guys, and then ultimately they overpay and
they're still not commedy good. And then when they were
competitive with Philadelphia week one of the season, you can
(09:48):
feel free to raise your hand. I will as well
where you think I was surprised by it. Then they
get blown out by the Bears. Third week of the season,
you're like, okay, they're addressing the mean. They tie the
Packers and that felt like a massive upset. They lose
to the Panthers, and now they're playing more like the
(10:08):
Cowboys you expected. They win the last three, they're very
much in the playoff hunt, and it's okay to go.
You know, they did a pretty good job considering they
don't have a great defense. They got to rework it
in the offseason. But now they have some draft picks,
and they locked up Dak long term. And if you
like me, were never really a Dak guy. I'm not
(10:30):
a Dak Denier like he stinks, but he has not
been good in the playoffs. He's been outstanding this year.
They've been way better than anybody thinks. And you can
make fun of Jerry Jones's comments and the weird way
in which sometimes he tells a story, but those are
(10:51):
pretty good football guys. DEVI got a pretty good job
of putting a more than decent product on the field,
and the Cowboys are way better than most anyone thought.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Yeah, Jase two, Yeah, remember the Jerry Jones documentary that
came out. I forget the name of it, but it was.
It was a really good watch. It was the Jerry
Jones version of the Cowboys story in the nineties, yep.
And the big takeaway from that for me was that
the biggest point of contention between him and Jimmy Johnson
(11:24):
over the years, and I don't even think they've settled
it to today, was who made the deal for Marshall Walker?
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah, who gets credit?
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Who gets credit? And they've they've they literally didn't talk,
and they had all these issues I had thought when
he traded Micah at the beginning of the year that
he was kind of feeling his oats from that documentary.
He watched it and he's like, I'm gonna make a deal.
This is all me. I signed off on this, and
this is going to be one of my signature moments
(11:52):
as a football decision maker. And can you say now
that so far that has worked because he got so
much crap when he first did it.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
No question, I think he got a lot of crap
because people also thought it was it was his own
fault for not resigning Micah Parsons early. But it was early,
you know, and at some point you get to the ay,
we're not going to be great defensively with him, so
why should we resign him to a gigantic contract which
will harbor our ability to be good, you know, in
(12:29):
the future. But yeah, maybe it was as a reaction
to that doc Maybe the timing was just curious. Maybe
I don't know. You bring up a very very good point,
but all we can go by is this year and
most people thought the Cowboys would kind of be a
joke playing for a high seed, right, and that Brian
Schottenheim would simply have the job for a short period
(12:51):
of time, and then he'd bring in somebody else. And
to this point it's okay to go, hey, we were wrong.
We were wrong. Every guy hits that moment you feel
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Speaker 2 (15:10):
Even for Colin it's the Herd. You're on Fox Sports
Tradia on the iHeartRadio app mmm mmmm. Broadcasting from Green Bay, Wisconsin.
Most of you, mostly in the Midwest, know that it's coming.
We got a little we got a little dust in
the other day, but it's it's coming. It's coming tomorrow,
first first snowstorm of the season. Mark Dominic doesn't have
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these problems, right, I mean, he he picked an organization
in Tampa. He's a Florida guy, Florida, California. People like,
I don't know what you're talking about. How you talking
about former gentle manager of the Tampa Buccaneers, of course,
spent his entire professional life in the National Football League
and he joins us now in the Herd on Fox
Sports Radio. How were we so wrong about the Cowboys? Mark?
Speaker 5 (15:57):
Yeah, you know, they've just been so inconsistent and it's
been hard to understand what team we're going to see
each week. And yesterday we saw that the offense continues
to shine under Brian Schottenheimer and what Dak Prescott was
able to do, and it certainly George Dickens made a
lot of great plays, so along with Ferguson, and so
the Cowboys have found a way to be, you know,
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just frustratingly inconsistent, but yet still have a shot and
a path to the postseason somehow.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Okay, what about the Chiefs. You know, it's like you
go back about a month ago, You're like, all right,
here they come and here they sit. You know, it's
it's I mean, look, my faith remains in Andy Reid
and Pat Mahomes, but heck dayed loss coming out of
a bye which you know does have more in kansaity
(16:46):
than did in Philadelphia, but rarely happens. And you look,
the Broncos and Bills are good teams, the culture good teams.
So some of its schedule, but some of it is
they're just what's missing there?
Speaker 5 (17:00):
Well, I think two things. I think Number one, you know,
we saw sadly Josh Simmons looks like he might be
done for the year. You know, John Taylor's they're going
with their second or third and fourth offensive tackles. And
in Kansas City, we've seen it over and over again
when that offensive line starts to get depleted, they can't win.
And that's where they sit right now, is they just
can't keep as much as Patrick was, you know, throwing
(17:21):
the ball well and obviously the touchdowns yesterday. That offensive
lines in shambles right now. And that's that's the demise
of the Chiefs and why they won't make the postseason.
Even with a couple of teams, I think they can win.
The other part of the Chiefs that you see when
you watch them play is they're not fast. Defensively, they're strong,
they're powerful, but they're not fast. And to me, that
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shows up as well.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
You know what that reminds me of. It reminds me
of the end of the Patriots run, right, I mean
when when the downfall of the Patriots. Obviously, when Brady left,
they didn't have a quarterback, but even prior to that,
people like yourself, NFL people all said that the Patriots
they just weren't fast, they weren't flying around anymore. How
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hard is that to fix? Can you fix that in
one offseason?
Speaker 5 (18:08):
I think you can. I mean again, you're going to,
you know, decide what you want to do for answer,
but the draft is going to be a piece where
you can absolutely add some speed and get to you know,
maybe a linebacker. They need a speed rush edge is
what they really need to need. Somebody that can come
off the edge, that can just you know, win the fastball.
And that's what they don't have to me consistently at all.
(18:28):
And so I think you're gonna have to look to
the draft, you know, and then say first or second round.
That's where I think the Chiefs have to pinpoint somebody
that can get the edge and can win with a
fastball and hopefully develop an other rush move. The kid
seems can be in a weird spot. I mean, I
don't again, I don't think they're going to make the
postseason just because I don't. I think Jacksonville has too
many wins that are still on the board Buffalo can
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you know, And so somebody's going to win you know,
the North somehow. But I just don't think kids that
you can put enough w's on the board now to
get to the postseason. So they'll be picking, you know,
which they haven't done in a long long time.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Okay, we go from met Lafleur a couple of weeks ago,
I go to the Eagles game and Super super conservative,
and you and I have talked about it on my
show where I'm like, well, yeah, you lose Tucker, you
Tucker Craft, and you lose your left tackle. And the
Eagles obviously have an unbelievable pass rush as we saw
against the Lions, and so maybe that's the reason they
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were so concerned. You go from that to what we
saw from the floor over the past two weeks, especially yesterday,
why has his play calling been so different?
Speaker 5 (19:34):
In your opinion, he's been more aggressive. I think he's
kind of said, hey, look, it is what it is,
we're gonna and I think he feels Jordan love when
Jordan's kind of in the zone. I think he calls
the game based off out Jordan's playing. And yesterday Jordan
was making throws and you know, you got to give
Lafloor a ton of credit that fourth down call to
go to throw the ball up to Wix and Wix
makes the catch to you know, basically him the game
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kill the clock. That's a huge decision where they're sitting
on the field knowing you can bax them up all
the way to probably the top, you know, inside of
ten and make them drive the links the field instead
he says, I'm going to win the game right here,
and Jordan Love makes the throw. But I think the
floor is feeding off of where Jordan Love's confidence is,
and you're seeing him be more aggressive with the play
call because of it.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Stugg Gottliebin for Collins to hurt. Fox Sports Radio, iHeart
Radio app. You and I have also discussed that as
a as a play caller, Dan Campbell feels like he
calls plays, but he's not offensive coordinator. Right, this is
a play here, a play there. It's not as smooth,
doesn't have the same rhythm. What did you think of yesterday?
Speaker 5 (20:35):
Yeah, I kind of feel the same way, Like, you know,
it's you know, the one thing about Jared Goffin and
maybe the entire offense is having you know, it's interesting
you think about it from the defensive standpoint. For an
offensive standpoint, right, the offensive coordinators like three and out
didn't work out, We'll just punt. The defensive coordinator sits
there and goes, hey, three and it didn't work. It's well,
they just scored a touchdown. It's just a completely different
(20:57):
way to look for the game, right. I think if
you think of at home, you're like, yeah, I've never
thought of it that way, like an off of the
quarter like if it doesn't work out, he just put
the ball and try again. It doesn't work out, on defense,
you're in trouble. And so that's what makes it hard.
And I also think to your point, Doug, like you
want to find the rhythm with your quarterback where you're feeling,
like we just talked about with the floor, feeling the
emotions of the game, or feeling the offensive guy that
he spends the entire time on. You know that this
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is what I feel like is the right direction Detroit,
and this is that a little bit. Certainly, Ben Johnson's
done a great job in Chicago put the Bears where
they are, but this is the coordinator that they desperately
lost and desperately miss.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Okay, let's go to the night gap. Let's start on
the negative. What's wrong with Lamar Jackson?
Speaker 5 (21:40):
Yeah, I just I feel like he's just missing grows
And I know that we're all watching it unfolded. Just
the lack of like the locked in or the decision making,
and he just looked like he was, you know, rushing
himself and then quickly explicting the fall out and trying
to make him play and just it's affected his accuracy.
And I don't think it was the weather atall. This
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has been something we've seen with Lamar. It's not processing
very well for him, and therefore, you know he's looking
at Aaron and his accuracy's really off, almost back to
like his rookie campaign kind of a feeling where like,
what's going on with this guy? So I don't have
a great answer for why Lamar Jackson feels like he's
regressed based off what he's been able to do in
the past, But I would say that the main thing
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is that I feel like he's rushing as you're watching
on the field, like he's like someone's in this year
saying you got to make a decision, hurry up and
make a decision. And because of that, I think he's
throwing the ball, you know, early, and it's throwing off
his accuracy.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
I guess my question is, you know, Greg Roman, they
thought they had hit a ceiling with Greg Roman's offense,
and my thought was, like, you want MVP with that offense.
I don't. I don't think that's what it was. But
you know, you're bringing Monk in and it's a passing
based offense. He still runs, but it's more. Hey, now
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he's been the league. Now he's a better Now he's
a better passer, not just a thrower. And again, and
their defense isn't you know when they were failing in
the playoffs previously, the defense was awesome and the offense,
you know, was allowed to just run the football and
to be conservative occasionally take a shot. Is it too
much for him to carry the team as a passer.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
It feels like it right now, right. I mean, Mike
McDonald obtis is a great defensive corarter, has done a
great job as the head coach down Seattle and getting
them in position of the postseason, and they missed that
he was you know, he's brilliantly smart. And so they
missed that defensive side of the ball where maybe the
town's not to the level and seeing the Ravens before,
but they were technically on top of everything offensively. The
frustrating thing for me when I watched the Ravens, and
(23:38):
I'm sure Ravens stans too, they could have run the
ball last night like they were running the ball perfectly fine.
They just couldn't stick with it. But you know, if
they could just find a way to get back to
Derrick Henry and giving him the ball twenty plus times
a game. I think that even if they fall behind
ten or twelve or thirteen points, I think you still
want to focus on Derrick Henry getting the ball because that,
to me is your ticket to finding a way to
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still win the North, which again is wide open, and
even the Bengals, as hard as it's been to imagine
and so late, you're only a few games out now,
you know, and I know we don't have a lot
of games left, but you know, it might be nine
and eight or eight and nine could win that division,
which before the season started, Doug, I would have never
dreamt that with those three teams Pittsburgh obviously, Baltimore and Cincinnati,
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I would have never dreamt it would have been that
kind of an outcome before the season's ended up right.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Now, I'm obviously as a coach, I'm even a football fan.
You love what Joe Burrows said, And here's here's kind
of my takeaway. Mark, just stick with me, let me
kind of explain it. Were so critical of athletes when
it's load management or when they shut it down, you know,
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late in the college football season, late in the NFL season,
and yet our generation, you and I were kind of
the ones that came up with this idea of load
management or protecting the asset that is the player in college,
in the pros or whatever. So if anything, we got
to be self critical and understand that, you know, gen
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X is being critical of gen Z for an idea,
for an idea and a plan that is really a
gen X planing. That being said, what does it say.
What does Joe Burrow playing despite the very very slight
chance of making the playoffs say about Burrow and how
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we view him?
Speaker 5 (25:30):
Yeah, I mean, if you I'm sure as we watched
the game last night, we saw the injury history of
Joe Burrow and it's it's something that I've talked about
multiple times over the years that that's just a sad
fact of his career, whether it was in college or
now in the NFL, that he gets banged up a lot.
And I think for Joe, he wants to prove that
he can be out there with the guys and he
understands every year can be magical and special and you
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just don't know how it's longer you get to play
this game, it can be taken away from you in
a blink. And so I love that that he decided
that he wanted to be out there. And I think
it also because the Bangs were mathematically still alive that
you put him back out there and say, hey, look
let's let's see what we can do and see what
we're kind of spark we can give the team. And
even though we started a little slow, he's certainly you know,
sped up and really kind of you know, looks like
(26:12):
the Joe Burrow that you know, could have been the
team that you know. When's the division and we'll see.
I mean again, we've got only a few We got
enough games left where you could say, yeah, it would
be bizarre, but you know, they play each other, They've
got to play out the opponents. You know, nothing's only
a part for any team right now in the North.
It's a stretch. But it was fun to watch him
be out there and show that, you know, as a leader,
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he's going to if he can be there, he'll be there.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Okay, help me out, I need the absolute neutral former
general manager, former player personnel guy, your opinion on Shudor Sanders.
How did he play in his first week as a starter.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
Uh. You know, you know you got to give him
credit for at least you know, I know, you make
the half back pass and you know you got to
let the running back. You know, Scamper's in for a
long touchdown and so he gets sustats to that, but
he still has to get the balls he hand to
put in the right spot. You know, he made the
one throw it down the field, but overall, I still felt
like the game was uber fast for him. I don't
feel like it's and I would have him the start
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of this week. I would EITHEREM get three or four
starts unless he failed desperately or terribly, I should say,
you know, I would go ahead and get a sense
because really where the Browns sit as an organization is
who's the number two? It's bly going to be the
number two? Is should Door good enough to be a
number two? Let's figure that out, because there's really no
number one on this roster. I don't think it's either
one of these guys based off of what I've seen
(27:34):
from both of them this year. But I would like
to see more should Door. But I don't think it's
going to get better. Honestly, Doug, I just I'm not
a hater on Shadu or anything like that. I just
feel like the processing's too fast for him, and he
doesn't process it fast enough. And like what he was
able to do in Colorado where the system was really quick,
we can get the ball out. Now things are everything's
moving so much faster. I think it's hard for him.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Is that something that improves with experience?
Speaker 5 (27:59):
Usually it can, and because the games of quote unquote
slows down for young players, but to me, the style
of play, this is why should do her dropped? Because
a lot of people worried about the system he played
in Colorado that was so quarterback friendly for him specifically
that can that translate over So a lot of people
are like, I don't know what you know, I thought
he was a first round pick. Well, a lot of
scouts went in there, though, you know, I don't know
(28:19):
about this office is what we're going to run the NFL,
And so therefore, do I feel like he's got the
same tools I can get him to where he needs
to go to the next level, and a lot of
clips that I don't think so, you know, and obviously
the other things around you to her, he's tried to
handle those the best he can. But I think when
you watch it, yes, you're supposed to get more time,
but to me, I still think you're going to see
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a lot of interceptions over the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Okay, same question with JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
I think it's fair, and I think the same thing
is very frustrating for JJ. Also is that you feel
like he should be able to do it and be
more of a consistent player, you know, one through four quarters,
and not be spurty. And I think that the same
thing though, is no matter what I played JJ the
rest of the year, as long as he can be
on the football field to find out exactly what I have.
But I got to understand that as an organization, I
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don't have to be married to him. As much as
that sounds crazy, he's only two years in and this
is really only his first year. You know. The one
mistake you can do is say, well, we'll just give
him one more year and so we can get just
figured out. If the Vikings are in a position where
they could draft another quarterback and say, hey, look we're
to make a competition, but we've got to find that guy.
That's what you have to do because In the end,
we all know that that's really what matters the most
(29:28):
is who's pulling the trigger on your football team in
that position. If that need, you have to go back
to the well again, go back to the well. Look
at Chris Ballard. He's done it basically every year as
a coach GM. He's had a different starter out there,
and now he may have found the right one at
Daniel Jones for a while.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Mark, you're the best man. I love your analysis obviously,
I respect all the experience you have and I hope
you had a great Thanksgiving with the family enjoyed this weekend.
We'll talk to you next week on my show. In
the meantime, thanks so much for being a guest and.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
The hurt thanks for having me on. Dog Happy Thanksgiving Brothers.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
You too, Mark Amen joins us on the Doug Gottlieb
on cee me on the Herd Doug Gottifilion for Colin. Yeah,
let's get to Jason Stewart with the news.
Speaker 7 (30:09):
No, no, no, this is the Herd Line news.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Hey, Doug. By the way, hold on real quick. By
the way, Merry Christmas to you, Jason, and I say
Merry Christmas because I do feel like holidays are like
the price is right, where once you go over, you
can't go back right again. Is it okay? It's okay
to wish to be a happy Thanksgiving, but generally nobody
(30:35):
wishes mery Christmas on the twenty sixth, nobody wishes happy
Halloween on November second or third, and nobody wishes happy
Thanksgiving today, right, even though it is Thanksgiving weekend. So
I'm okay with it, But generally I want to be
the first to tell you Mary Christmas.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
Jason, Well, that's nice of you, thank you. I think
it's a little too early, though, so I can't fully
accept that. I think happy Holidays is a safe route.
And by the way, after New Year, you've got fourteen
days to wish people happy to hear fourteen days after
the new year. Those are my rules.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
How long are you allowed that classic very cheesy dad joke.
I just got used to writing twenty twenty five on
my checks in the new year? Is that allowed?
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Yeah? I mean, if people still write personal checks anymore,
I think that you could probably still do it, and
you could allow your boomer grandfather to do it.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah, okay, all right, well sorry, go ahead, egg ball.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
No it's right in the middle of this egg ball
is on right now, Doug, and they're trading Haymakers Old
Miss against Mississippi State at Mississippi State fourteen to seven
as we speak. But there are bigger, bigger things involved
in this. So there's a press conference tomorrow to discuss
Lane Kiffin's future. I need to know your confidence level
(31:51):
right now and whether or not he stays at Old Miss.
And as a second question, if he does leave and
he doesn't coach the play off games, should the committee
factor that into their seating.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Uh No, I don't think they should factor it in.
If he does leave, I don't because he's gonna coach
the He's going to coach the bull Kame, He's gonna
he's gonna coach the playoff to win it.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Again, I I think I think by not saying I'm staying,
although he has said I'm staying previously when it was
just a Florida job open, I still think he's staying.
But if he does leave. If he does leave, I
don't think he can be factored in because you can
(32:48):
factor it in if the coach isn't going to coach.
You can factor it in if the player isn't gonna
play like Florida State a couple years ago. I had
no problem with them getting left out of the College
twelve playoff. They weren't the same team after losing the quarterback.
You won't be the same team if Flank Giffon's not
your coach. But he will be the coach, and there's
no reason to think that he can't be engaged in
trying to win and then probably trying to take all
(33:08):
of his underclassmen with him to LSU if he if
be'st chabb he takes.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
Okay, So you're introducing an angle here that I haven't heard.
I was under the impression that if he decides to leave,
he's not coaching the team, that he's going to go
to the next school.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
So he's not coaching the team, then absolutely outhold against him.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Okay, Okay, So there you go. As another big game tomorrow,
Rivalry Weekend is Vanderbilt playing Tennessee fourteenth r Vanderbilt nineteenth
ranked Tennessee. ESPN is reporting Doug that Vanderbilt has agreed
to a new contract with head coach Clark Lee. It
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is a reported new six year deal to keep the
Commodore's coach. I'm guessing you're for this decision. You're a
head coach. You like when head coaches get compensated and
rewarded for good work.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
I'm guessing, well, I mean, he's got great work, not
good work, right, I mean, when do we think Vanderbilt
was like a legit contender in the SEC? Now part
of it is Vanderbilt private school has all that money
and now they've decided to spend it. They spend the facilities,
they spent it obviously on their team. Diego Pavia, you know,
has really changed the landscape of all college sports with
his lawsuit, which won. But yeah, I mean I think
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it's huge for Vanderbilt to be able to hold onto
their guy, for Clark Lee not to be able to
go go to what people consider it like a real
SEC school. Vanderbilt has become a real SEC school and
now they have the draw of Nashville, right Like, they're
the one SEC team outside of I guess Texas. You know,
that's in a major city that people want to live
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in and want to work it. You know, Athens is
like an hour from Georgia, so it's close and it's
but it's still a college town, like they're unique and
they're able to draw to that. Yeah, I do like it.
I don't like this. I love it. Vanderbilt being able
to retain their head coach and put all their financial
resources into football and being rewarded in successful for it.
(35:06):
That's a great story.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
Oh I agree. I agree.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
Okay, So finally, and this opens a whole. We could
do an entire show or a podcast.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Can I can? I want one thing just again. I
was the guy just and Vanderbilt fans will tell you,
I was the guy that would say Vanderbilt is in
but not of the SEC back in the day, right,
because they were the school that cared about academics and
not as many hot women, right, And they were the
private not the public. And they you know, they they
(35:36):
they were good more at the Olympic sports than the
traditional sports and basketball and football they didn't even have it.
I don't even think they have an athletic director. They had.
They took off the name of athletic director a couple
of years ago, maybe ten years ago at Vanderbilt. So
this is Vanderbilt saying, hey, we're we're we're big boy
into sports now.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
I had no idea that women at Vanderbilt were less attractive.
I don't think we should have that conversation in twenty
twenty five, but I'm guessing that there's a phrase that.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Was like it, that was like a twenty fourteen discussion made.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm guessing there's a phrase that she's
Vandy hot.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yeah, Vanny Hotandy ten? Is a is what a way? Four? No?
Speaker 5 (36:16):
Is that no?
Speaker 2 (36:17):
At Tusca Loosa six? Oh man?
Speaker 4 (36:21):
So, uh, I don't know if you missed this one,
but uh, Joe Burrow led his team to win last
night and then in this Melissa Stark thing afterwards where
they feed everyone turkey. I think it looks ridiculous, and
it was ridiculous. Joe Burrow steered clear of it and
was asked about it after the after the game.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
I didn't touch it.
Speaker 5 (36:41):
I didn't touch it. I didn't I don't know who
made it.
Speaker 7 (36:43):
I don't know where they made it.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
I'm good.
Speaker 7 (36:45):
I had a little pepper that I was good.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
I was good with the pepper.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
What do you think about eating food that you don't
know where it was made or by whom?
Speaker 2 (36:55):
I mean, don't we do that every day? It's a
good point I'm seriously right, Like you go to Chipotle,
you don't know who's who's back there making Chipotle. I
got a better feeling that Chipotle is is made. I
got more confidence in whoever makes the NFL network's dinner
than I do who's making my And I'll throw Qdoba
in there, so we're not just separating Chipotle and Kudoba,
(37:17):
same place, different name, right, Yeah, I I he's probably more.
I don't know who's touched it. He might be a
germ guy, and that I do get right. It's like
after a game, it's put on the field. I know
touches it, but I'm going to guess that was probably
made by a pretty good catering surface. Whereas you know,
(37:39):
you get a little fast casual on the way home,
you have no idea who's back there in the kitchen
and what their intentions are.
Speaker 7 (37:45):
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Speaker 2 (37:50):
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Speaker 7 (38:13):
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Speaker 2 (38:18):
Doug Gottibin for Colin. This is the Herd Fox Sports
Radio on the iHeartRadio app. Welcome in. Mmmmmmmmmm doo doo
doo doo doo doo. So the Packers beat the Lions
and it you know, what's a weird year for last year?
It's like the opposite last year. Last year the Packers
(38:39):
were really good in division. Let me see, were Putriot Division.
The only division win was uh uh on the the
the Doinker right in uh in Chicago. That was the
only win they had in the vision. Now they're three
to oher in the division and you know, struggling at
times outside vision. Here's Matt laflora Packer's head coach, summon
(39:02):
up to win.
Speaker 9 (39:04):
Now, that was a great football game. I mean to
come in here against a really quality opponent. I mean
they got great players, great coaches. I've got so much
respect for what they've been able to accomplish the last
few years. And it's all you know, it's going to
be a battle every time you come in here. But
I was really proud of our players. This was a
playoff type atmosphere and to be able to come in
(39:25):
and went on the road is big for us. Either
getting better, you're getting worse, or never staying the same.
So I'm proud of our guys. But we got to
keep building on this, and we can't think that we've
arrived by any stretch, because as soon as you do that,
you get beat. So we got to keep just keep
fighting and clawing and trying to get a little bit better.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Yeah, I mean, listen and to people who are critical
of how much they ran the ball against the Eagles.
I mean, obviously, you know, Jordan Love kind of scrambling
five times. When you take that out and you know
there's still twenty five, you know, twenty five Harry's, if
you will, more twenty two in terms of traditional you know,
and thirty attempts. But it's pretty obvious that since the
(40:09):
Eagles game, he's gotten more aggressive. It's got more aggressive.
I mean, he's almost taken on kind of the the
Dan Campbell mentality a little bit in terms of going
forward on fourth down. Here's Jordan Love on those fourth
down conversions.
Speaker 10 (40:24):
If you able to go out there on fourth down
to execute and make some big time plays, it is
really the difference in that game right there. So you know,
that's what it comes down to, is just going out
there executing and those got to have it plays and
we may play tonight, everybody.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
It's fascinating, right they have two against the Bears, with
the Broncos on the road in between. All within the
next three weeks. The Bears, who are you know, ahead
of them in the standings, you know, still have they
have the Eagles on the road and the Packers on
the road in back to back weeks. You know, And
(41:00):
this is a Bears team that, though anybody would tell
you they're vastly improved, right, think about this. The Bears
have beaten the Cowboys at home. Granted, Cowboys trending towards
a playoff team, Raiders, Commanders on the road, Saints at home,
Bengals at home, Bengals on the road, Giants at home,
(41:21):
Vikings on the road, Steelers at home, if you're an
honest person, you go. You know, the Bears haven't beaten
a team outside of the Steelers that as of now
is an absolute playoff team, only two wins over teams
with the above five hundred record, that being the Cowboys
and the Steelers. So we'll find out a lot more
(41:42):
about the Bears as the Packers are trending in the
right way, and they're trending the right way as their
coach has gotten way more aggressive with his play calling
since the Eagles game. Every guy hits that moment you
feel it less drive, less fire. I don't accept that.
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