December 6, 2025 • 46 mins
Where Colin was right and where he was wrong over the weekend
Colin also drops a fresh edition of the Herd Hierarchy, ranking the Top 10 NFL teams heading into week 14. Do last season’s Super Bowl contenders - the Eagles and Chiefs - still deserve a spot among the league’s best?
Fox Sports college football analyst Joel Klatt joins the show to discuss the playoff rankings and Lane Kiffin’s shocking decision to leave Ole Miss for LSU
Then, it’s time for Colin’s Blazing 5 — his best bets and sharpest NFL picks for Week 14, featuring deep dives into Bengals vs. Bills, Texans vs. Chiefs, and more marquee matchups
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Oh, it's gonna be a Monday for the Ages. What
the last four days we had? We're live, We're in Chicago.
It's Doc Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may
be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day.
You got a lot of choices out there. Sark Steve Sarkisian.
Stop fight Urban Meyer, Stop fight Lane. Kevin's going to LSU.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
What don't we make it?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Affairs? What do we make of Mike Tomlin Pittsburgh. Let's
not waste any time one hour from now? Where Colin
was right? Where Colin was wrong? So you heard the chance? Potentially?
Did you hear the chance in Pittsburgh as the Bills
were rolling over the Steelers fire Mike Tomlin chance? And
I feel like the last eight years the Steelers are
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the exact same team. They'll finish slightly above five hundred.
They have the bottom ten defense. They'll be better early
than November, December and January. And the quarterback plays limited
because they can't run the football and the old line
is always in crisis. That's what they are. You can
keep running through quarterbacks and left tackles and wide receivers
and drama and running backs coordinators, doesn't matter the guy
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in charge. Mike Tomlin is tone def to offense. NFL
head coaches have gotten younger, smarter, and more offensive, and
these older defensive guys Pete Carroll, Bill Belichick, Mike Tomlin,
Ron Rivera Lovey Smith, they feel outdated. And I said this,
Aaron Rodgers, go to Minnesota or retire. You're just stepping
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into Tomlin's quicksand And I would have no problem hiring
Mike Tomlin, say in Miami to stabilize the Dolphins.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I think he'd be a really good fit there.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
But look around the league right now, who's the number
one seed in the AFC. Sean Payton offensive coach, the
Jaguars never deliver. Oh wait, now they're gonna win their
division potentially. Liam Cohen offensive coach. Sean McVeigh is number
two seed in the NFC. You know who number one is,
offensive coach Ben Johnson. I would argue Kyle Shanan's done
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a better job coaching than anybody outside of Mike ravel
this year, another offensive coach. Offensive coaches are younger, they're smarter,
they're more current.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
And I said this last week.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Offensive coaches can fix problems in the season. Defensive guys
feel like they need an off season. And I'm sorry,
but on defense they're old. The Steelers are expensive, Darius Slay,
Jalen Ramsey, they're past their prime. They're paying a fortune
for it. They got gray beards on offense and on defense.
They took a defensive tackle instead of Jackson Dark. What
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are you doing again? No urgency? This is a criticism
I said about Pete Carroll. Do you know Smith's not
good enough? Ron Rivera said, I got to Sam Howe,
not good enough, Aaron Rodgers. Don't blame him. Look around
the league. The rules have change. These old defensive guys.
I don't have a problem with the Miko Ryans, Mike McDonald.
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They're young, they're current, they're aggressive. I mean McDonald took
over for Pete Carroll an hour later. The team was
better with the same players. So the last six Super
Bowls have featured head coaches with an offensive background. Doesn't
mean you have to hire him. But yesterday, finally, finally,
the fans said enough. I mean, you hold Buffalo to
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three points at half and you get rolled and we
don't even like Buffalo this year. We don't even know
what to make up Buffalo this year. Here was a
stoic and an honest Mike Tomlin after.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
That's an awful performance by us, but it's us. We
didn't do a lot well tonight. Obviously, May did.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
You have a sense for how restless and frustrating the
crowd was To Ben, I.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Don't know how restless and frustrated I was, and so
I assume they were in the same state we were
in Man, I shared their frustration to night Man, we
didn't do enough, and that's just reality of it.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah, the defense has been the highest paid for four years.
It's not elite. Come on now, and this is not
just me or the media or the fans. We don't
even think Buffalo's creative. Here's TJ. Watt sounding like a
shot at Tomlin the staff after the game.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
We need to find ways to be able to make plays,
and I mean, I've never seen a team run the
same play as much as they ran tonight and have
as much success as they had. I mean, I'm out
of a lout of words for it. We talk about
the team that we have, we talk about everything that
we have, but right now we don't have a kick
ass defensive group. And that's all that I can speak on.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
I mean, you got to have it.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Ben Johnson has been in Chicago less than a year.
They already have an identity tough, physical, run the ball
on offense. How many years are we going to watch
the Steelers struggle to figure out how to run the football.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Ben Johnson's done it in twelve thirteen weeks.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Mike Vrabel, still in a rebuild, has got that defense planets,
butt off and not paying much for it. He can't
figure out the defense like it just doesn't work anymore.
I'd hire him maybe in Miami. Doesn't mean he's not
a good coach, and it wouldn't fit other places. But
between this ownership group, the great GM who left, the
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coach who feels toned def to offense, the fans have
finally come to the realization that we have for about
three years. This is not good enough. It's just not
good enough. And All Miss wasn't good enough for Lane Kiffin.
Say what you want about Kiffin, you don't have to
like him. Harbaugh to Michigan, Kiffin to LSU. They feel big.
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Harball was controversial for years. Kiffin's going to be controversial
every four weeks. This is great for college football. There's
an attention economy in college football. Dion did it at Colorado,
put eyes on the program. He's just not the coach
Kiffin is. And this is not LSU much better program
than Colorado. And I say this to all the bitter
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people in Mississippi. I understand you're hurt, but when you
have signed up for this exit, when Kiffin got.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
There, you've been irrelevant forever. I don't think.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
I think last time you won an SEC championship was
in the sixties. Anytime you're good, you have a manning quarterback,
arch or Eli. If I'd have told you four years ago,
Lane Kiffin's going to burn you at the end'll make
you the number one offense. It'll be the best Old
Miss football team ever. Stadium's packed, everybody in the country
is looking at you. You'll feel proud to be a
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Mississippian and an Ole Miss fan.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
He'll leave you. It'll be ugly.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
You that taken it on the spot. You date the supermodel,
she dun't you? You knew it was coming. I mean
you were cheating with Hugh freeziyears ago. So you played
the game in college football. You were paying people when
you weren't supposed to pay people. Don't get too precious,
old miss. Your history was Hugh Freeze. You supported him.
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NCAA outrageous Nick Saban stopped recruiting in Mississippi with Hugh
Freeze because they were just buying players.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
So you played the game before. This is the game.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
It's an eight billion dollar industry. I have complained for
years about college football. It's boxing. Bob aram don King
made a fortune and a handful of boxers did, but
it was unregular. That's why Dana White shows up and
the UFC dominates. Boxing gets organized. It's got a CEO, right,
It's an unregulated it's I said last week, it's bitcoin.
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You buy it, you better know it's turbulent and you're
gonna get scorched. You're gonna have bad days. And that's
college football. I don't love I don't love leaving before
the playoff, but college football's calendar's always been weird, and
college football has put up no boundaries or regulations on this.
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So the last fifty years, all miss five times has
had a ten win season. Kiffin gave you three, and
he gave you You're only eleven win regular season. Okay,
So and you got busted for cheating years ago with
Hugh Freeze, Houston, Nutt or ed or Jeron.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I can go through the coaches. Nobody wins there. Kiff.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
It not only onenty one big, and the SEC has
always had one rule, always eat or be eaten. This
was bound to happen. And you don't have to like Kiffin,
and you don't have to like the way it looks.
But he's a ladder climber and a lot of coaches
are and I get it. Nick Saban, get out of
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here at Bama. USC fired him on a tarmac. Lane
Kiffen's reality is Al Davis fired him weirdly. USC fired
him strangely. You think he's losing sleep. And if you
didn't know that going in, that's a you problem. Now,
this ridiculous comment that Lane Kiffen should be allowed to
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coach at Old Miss having the LSU job. That's the
dumbest thing I've ever heard. So I don't blame Old
Miss for moving off him. I mean, that's just ridiculous.
People that say that on other networks. You've heard a
relegation in the English Premier League, you should be relegated
as an on air talent. If you're arguing that, I mean,
that's just ridiculous. That's not going to happen. I'm rooting
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for Old Miss in the playoffs. Selfishly, I wanted to
watch Lane Kiffin. I wanted to see it. I don't
think they're as good as is most teams, but I
think they could potentially beat Notre Dame. And they're not
beating Ohio State. I don't think anybody's beaten Ohio State.
But come on, man, college football it's like a weird
black market economy. They don't have a CEO, they don't
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have a president. The old Wild Wild West in the
eighteen hundreds when he used to have territorial governors. That's
what you have in college football. They're called conference commissioners.
All they care about is themselves. Here was Lane Kiffin after.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
This was a very challenging difficult day. You know, we
went through a lot last night with Keith Carter trying
to figure out a way, you know, to make this
playoff you know, run work and the order to coach
the team. And at the end of the day, that's
his decision, and I totally respect that. I understand that decision,
and you know, so I just totally wish the team
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the best of the luck, wish that I was coaching,
but understand that it was a very challenging position for
him and the chance to be in, and totally respect that. So,
you know, just really really hope they play really well
and go win the national championship.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Good job by Marty Smith there, Hey, listen, this idea
that Kiffin's trying.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
To direct the program.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Have any of you guys ever gotten a great job,
because when you do, you take three or four people
from your great job to the next job. It didn't
take the entire staff. He's not trying to direct the program.
He's not rooting against old Miss, but he's now the
coach of what many coaches perceive as the best job
in college football, or at least top three. The reaction
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at that little airport in Oxford, though, I got to admit,
let's play it sound up is pretty funny. I'm sorry
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that I could watch that on a loop. I'm sorry,
but it's always remarkable to me when people get into
relationships with people who have a clear ID, who have
a clear brand. And I know Lane, I always got
along with him. Fine, he's not for everybody. I think
he's grown up. But you'd have taken him if I'd
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have told you. He's gonna burn you in the end.
But it'll be four years of bliss. You'll be the
number one offense in college football. Everybody will be talking
about you. You're gonna make the college football Playoff.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
You got a signed up for it in a heartbeat.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
It just ended up like bitcoin acquisitions bumpy.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
You feel burned. Unregulated, that's what it is.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Don't buy the coin if you don't like the outcome potential.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
So I an ole mess.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
You know you're not gonna let him keep coaching there
and have another job at LSU.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
That's dumb, all right, J Mack.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
We got Ben Johnson and the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Are they gonna run the NFC?
Speaker 1 (13:16):
How about this weekend slate of games Bears, Packers, Thursday's
Lions Cowboys, even the Jags Colts is interesting. I mean
it worked out perfectly. The TV games coming up starting
Thursday are the best of the year.
Speaker 6 (13:31):
Yeah, and you got college football obviously getting crazy. Besides
the Lankiffin. I'm so you saw Pat Fitzgerald headed to
Michigan State. That's a home run higher. I mean, just
an awesome weekend in sports. So if you had a
good Thanksgiving, mind with spectacular.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yep, same here Sunday night after the conference championships, which
I don't think are gonna last very long. I don't
think you need him anymore. They're gonna put out the
college football Playoff. I thought Notre Dame was in over
Miami for sure. Then I watched Miami hammer Pittsburgh, and
now I'm not sure. At least Miami can say we
got a great win over Notre Dame. Notre Dame can
say we've got a we beat USC. I'm telling you
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it's gonna be razor thin. You just gotta keep watching
the games. Sarks showing up later so as.
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Heard hierarchy.
Speaker 7 (15:00):
I go for the top ten NFL teams according to
College Number ten.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
I don't like their red zone offense. But Houston Texans
four game winning streak, best defense, excellent head coach. They
shut people down opposing quarterbacks this year. I've a passer
rating a seventy four. That's a bad backup quarterback. So there,
What does that mean? They're in every game? They're in
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absolutely every game.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
I'm telling you.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
They play Kansas City this week. Kansas City has to win.
I would not want to play them. They play at
a different speed Defensively. Nine times this year teams have
scored fewer than twenty points in an offensive league that's
never had better offensive coaching. Houston at ten, number nine. Philadelphia.
I'm tired of saying I love their general manager. They
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lead the NFL in three and outs, They're near the
top in punts.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
I mean, Saquon.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Barkley is thirty ninth in the league in yards per carry.
And I don't think this staff, this coaching staff can
fix it in season like Matt Lafleur fixed the Packers
broken offense in season. I mean they have a twenty
second ranked rushing offense with Jalen Hurt. Saquon barked me
in a good old line. I don't even know where
to put him. Maybe I'm being complimentary putting Philadelphia at nine,
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number eight, and Dallas just beat him. I'm sorry. Since
they got Quinn Williams and Logan Wilson, they're three to zero.
Their quarterback pressure rate was top three and it's improved
thirty five percent since they got Quinn Williams and Kenny
Clark and now Demarvin Overshown is healthy. Just trust your eyes.
They are getting to the quarterback. They're doing a better
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job of protecting theirs. And Ceedee Lamb and George Pickens,
they're both number ones and now they run the ball,
so I mean, I say what you want. Right now,
the Dallas Cowboys are a top ten team in the NFL,
and I'm gonna take them to beat Detroit Thursday, Number.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Eight, number seven.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Well, the Bears lead the NFL and takeaways. They're running
the heck out of the ball. Caleb williams inaccuracy is
an issue should be noted, though he's actually been very
good on third down. His passer ratings over one hundred
on third down, and they're listen. Ben Johnson's got a
Shanahan feel to him. He's gonna run the ball forty
seven times. He doesn't care, so they have an identity.
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They take the ball away. Caleb Williams is good on
third down and in the fourth quarter. Still have some
work to do, but I like any team that is
a physical team. In December and January and the Bears
are number six Buffalo Now, the turnovers have increased. Multiple
giveaways in four straight games is a problem, and they
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can't defend the run, which will be there undoing in January.
But Josh Allen right now is the best quarterback in
the league. Despite not having a dominant receiving corps. They're
number two in big plays and they're running the so again.
Their ability to run the football tells me they'll win
a playoff game and maybe two. Number five Seattle turn
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the sound down. They just look different. I mean they've
outgained every opponent in eleven games. They are fast, they
are physical. One of five teams without back to back losses.
I mean, Sam Darnold did not play well this week
and they shut out a team twenty six nothing. He
threw four picks and they almost beat the Rams in LA.
They got a lot of talent defense, back to back
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games with four sacks, young defensive coach who is current,
who has pivoted multiple times.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
I like Seattle got him at five. Number four Denver.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
I moved him down nine game winning streat But it's
a lot of one score games and they could have
lost to Washington. They have trailed in all twelve games
this season. I mean, if you told me a high
seed lost in the first round of the playoffs, I
think we'd all go Denver. I just don't think their
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offense is even enough. There are time this week when
Washington moved the ball up and down the field. That's troubling.
You hope it's just a one off. The Rams played,
their defense stunk this week, and I have Denver.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
At four number three. I may have Green Bay low.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I have them at three three game winning streak, all
by a touchdown or more. Jordan love folks. We gotta
stop wondering if Jordan loves good. The answer is yes,
big tall arm doesn't throw picks.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
And now they get Jayden reidback.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Now they got Micah, so they have their closer when
they have a lead. Now they're getting Matthew Golden back.
Green Bay is a super Bowl team, and they were
broken offensively three weeks ago. But these young, smart offensive
coaches like Matt Lafleur can fix problems in season. Defensive
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coaches years Mike Tom, I'm going to struggle to fix
the old line in the run game in Pittsburgh. Green
Bay at three number two. Rams had a bad week.
Points allowed, giveaways, they were a mess. But they are
the least penalized team in the NFL, highest graded overall
team offense and defense. They only allow seventeen a game.
They had a stinker. They went out East. They didn't
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play well, but you can throw the ball on them
if your offensive line can hold up Mac Jones did
I mean Bryce Young did?
Speaker 8 (20:33):
So?
Speaker 1 (20:33):
I have them at two number one. I'm gonna put
in New England one.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
I watched them go to Buffalo and win. I watched
them go to Tampa and win. Fifth time they've scored
thirty plus points. They're incredibly sound. Great on special teams.
I said it earlier. It's very reminiscent of the Belichick
Brady stuff, with a more mobile quarterback and a player
friendly coach.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
What don't they do well?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
They don't run the football particularly well well. The Chiefs
have won Super Bowls in years because they don't run
it well. Again, they leave the NFL in big plays.
You don't get any cheap touchdowns. They tackle well. Special
teams are great. Fifth game this year they've held an
opponent to fifteen points or fewer. So I don't know
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what I'm supposed to do with them. You keep telling
me what listen, What am I supposed to do with Denver?
Speaker 2 (21:28):
They keep winning? What am I supposed to do with
Last night?
Speaker 1 (21:32):
They got thirty in the first half with a backup
left tackle. They can't run the ball a backup left guard.
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Speaker 1 (21:52):
Well, what a wild, wild conclusion. I mean, at least
now we have a college football playoff of twelve teams.
We didn't like when the computers did it, we didn't
like when the media selected it.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
We don't like.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
The Rando arbitrary committee doing it. But at least a
playoff will be great when we figure out who's in
and who's out. Right now, Notre Dame's in Miami and
Texas are out. Just head to head. Matter in Oklahoma
got thumb by Texas and m got thumb by Texas.
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Vandy got thumb by Texas. Texas was willing to play
Ohio State and Columbus lost close, they didn't get in.
And I mean Texas plays in the SEC where you know,
I always.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Hear about bad losses.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Miami lost to SMU SMU be Clemson in Miami. They're
not that bad. They're eight and four. They went to
the playoff last year. The game was in Dallas. They're
not that bad.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
So the Louisville loss stunk.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
And for Texas, I guess the Florida loss is bad,
but man, Texas had a lot of quality wins.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
I just.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
You know, I'm somebody that I look at your schedule
and give me quality wins.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
I am.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
I don't think bad losses should be the be all
end all. The Rams just lost to the Panthers. I
just think we've asked college kids now to play more
and more and more and more games. You're gonna have
a stinker. Rams defense. Last week stunk and we.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Know they're great.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
And Miami, you know, Texas went and played an SEC
team in Gainesville and got beat. Remember last year Lane
Kiffitt took a good team to Gainesville and lost.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I lose it at Gainesville's.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
To me, it's an SEC team, it's ninety thousand people,
it's allowed to stadium collegiately.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
I've ever been to with that.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Joel Klatt who called Ohio State Michigan, he'll be calling
Ohio State Indiana. He's getting some good games. So I
guess this is we both love the sport. I guess
I guess where I feel bad. So Miami's going we
beat him head to head. Yeah, and Texas is going
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we beat three top dead teams. And the Committee's like, well,
Notre Dame didn't really have a quality win, but they
had no bad losses. I don't know if that's how
we should measure greatness. I like Notre Dame as a
program shouldn't. Doesn't Miami have a real case here?
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Of course?
Speaker 9 (24:28):
Of course, of course Miami has a real case and
Texas has a real case.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
And there's so many ways to go.
Speaker 9 (24:36):
Let me, let me just start with, like, the problem
is obviously the format obviously right, because we're trying to
have this selection based playoff and it doesn't matter if
you have computers do it or people do it. Like
it's subjective and there's no way that you can rank
the criteria, or or at least they don't rank the
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criteria and tell us which one is going to take
precedent over the other. So there's all different types of criteria.
You can take a head to head criteria or resume criteria,
the eye test criteria, did you get to a conference
championship game? What did your schedule look like in particular
in the non conference, And yet we don't rank those
So what value does any of those criteria actually have
towards the ranking? Well, we don't know, and I think
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that's the arbitrary nature of it is what's frustrating. I've
argued for a long time that we need to define
the path you see, like for instance, in every other sport,
always in forever, what do we do to break tiebreakers?
Speaker 5 (25:31):
Colin?
Speaker 9 (25:32):
The first one is head to head always, always. And
so here's the thing with Notre Dame. I don't think
they're just in. I know that they're not going to
play another game in Miami is not going to play
another game, But but they have this buffer that is BYU.
And so if you actually play this out, I think
Notre Dame is actually more likely to miss the playoff
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than make the playoff.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
And here's why.
Speaker 9 (25:56):
If BYU wins in the Big twelve championship game beats
Texas Tech, they get an automatic spot and there's almost
no scenario where Tech falls behind Notre Dame. Therefore, Notre
Dame would fall out. Now if BYU loses to Texas Tech,
maybe similar fashion to the way they lost already this
year when they played Tech twenty nine to seven. It
was a dominant victory for the Red Raiders. Wouldn't by
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you almost assuredly just fall maybe one spot or two
spots in the rankings behind Miami, which then would promote
a direct comparison with what we're talking about, two teams
right next to each other, same record, with a head
to head result. I think Notre Dame's actually in a
really precarious spot right now.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
I listen, you know me, I like big brands. I
want Notre Dame in Miami and Texas all in right,
that's what I'm rooting for.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
I think Texas is cooked. I don't see the way
they get in. I know, but it.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Didn't unbelievable beat Oklahoma like a drum dominated, bandy dominated
and they losed Ohio State by seven. From that point forward,
Ohio State won by an average of thirty one. They're
the only team that played a super close game in
Columbus four new offensive linemen, and you're like, best college
defense probably either one of us has seen in half
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a decade. And they lose by a touchdown and Texas
didn't play well, and you're like, I don't know, Like, listen,
they don't match.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Out with Georgia. They just don't. That happens. They don't
match up with Georgia.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Let me ask you this, Indiana scheduled a week at
a conference schedule right now, they'd have a bye.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
What if Indiana gets smoked.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
What if it is thirty eight seventeen and it looks
like the Indiana Notre Dame game last year? What if
Indiana gets smoked, what happens to them?
Speaker 9 (27:45):
I don't think they fall out of by territory. And
the reason is that Oregon will act as a buffer. Remember,
they beat Oregon, so like Oregon is their floor. So
even if they fall down with what they've done this year,
they're probably still going to remain in the top four.
Even even if they were to get now, I don't
think they'll get smoked. I think that's a very good
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and complete team. Now, did they play a soft non conference?
There's no doubt that they played a soft non conference.
But I don't see a situation where either the loser
of the Big Ten championship game, Ohio State or Indiana
falls out of a position where they're getting a buy
in the first round of the College football Playoff.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Okay, if what if okay Bama went to Georgia. It's
one of the I mean, honestly, one of the most
perfect game plans I've ever seen. They beat Georgia in Athens.
They were flawless, one of the best habs of football
played by anybody this year. What if Georgia beats them?
And by the way, Georgia and Kirby Smart don't beat
Alabama much like it that you talk about a matchup.
Georgia doesn't beat Bama, Texas doesn't beat Georgia. What if
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Bama gets smacked? Can they get knocked out?
Speaker 9 (28:46):
I think possibly, Although the history and the precedent from
the committee last year was that they weren't going to
penalize teams for losing conference championship games. And we saw
that when SMU lost to Clemson, you remember, and Clemson
got the automatic automatic berth but then SMU stayed in
college football playoff that went to Penn State and loss
in the first round. So President would tell you that
this committee is going to value conference championship games and
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not not knock a team for losing that now here,
let me just say this sake of argument, let's just
pull ourselves out thirty thousand foot view for a moment,
because that would suggest that this committee is trying to
protect or value conference championship games. And I would make
the argument that in college football for the last ten
and twenty years, we have done a really poor job
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of trying to protect and value things that are obviously
going to die, like amateurism and bowl games, for example.
These are things that obviously don't fit in what's going
to happen in the future of our sport, and the
fact that they didn't move off of amateurism early led
to the chaos that we have now with the transfer
portal and the revenue share. The fact that they won't
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move off of bowl games gives us a regular season
and then playoff that leaks into the NFL playoffs that
leaks into the transfer portal late into January. So we're
not nimble in colleg a football. And if you protect
a conference championship game, the writing is on the wall
colin these games are being devalued. There's no reason to
protect those. So if Bamba were to get smacked, I
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could see a situation where, depending on what happens in
the BYU Texas second game, they get in, maybe Miami
gets in, and maybe you know, they take another look
at Texas in that regard. But I do think that
we need to start putting the right value in the
right spots. I think that we need to start talking
about defining the path to the playoff rather than having
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a selection based committee playoff. These things would be better
for the sport. Not to get too long winded, but
just for an example, just for an example, imagine this weekend.
If we had a play in weekend and this didn't
live in a committee room, but it lived on the
field where we had based on where you finished in
your conference, automatic bursts per conference, maybe four each for
the big guys SEC and Big ten, maybe two each
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for the ACC and the Big twelve. And then you
would get matchups this weekend colin like Texas at Texas
A and m winner goes to the playoff, BYU Utah
winner goes to the playoff, Miami Duke winner goes to
the playoff. So we would be able to say, hey, listen,
rather than just sitting there and watching your TV and
seeing if a committee puts you in, you control your
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own fate. Go play a football game for sixty minutes
and if you can win that game, then you're going
to go on into a fourteen team playoff. That's what
I would do. Yeah, but no one's making me commissioner yet.
If you've got that power, please do so.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
If I was commissioner, I would say head to head
one quality wins two, That to me should be It
would clarity would be pretty easy. I mean, Texas would
be in Notre Dame. Would not be like head to
head matters quality. Because I want better scheduling, I would
take it away from at large.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
I just don't.
Speaker 9 (31:45):
I don't like this idea that we're just like selecting teams.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Now.
Speaker 9 (31:49):
Even if you define the criterion valued them as you're
saying in a particular order, that would help. That would
certainly help. I would just rather put it on the field.
I would rather have a play in weekend. Play weekend
with fourteen teams would create more value at the top
because there would only be two buys. So you're really
creating a top end incentive for those teams to play
hard late into the season, the best teams in the country,
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and more access and control.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
At the bottom.
Speaker 9 (32:14):
You know, I That's what I would do, Okay, I
got three.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Things, though, I'm gonna get to Penn State Lane Kiffin
before I do that. I can see Ryan Day wants
to win every game but the conference championship. For like
Ohio State means nothing. I don't want guys hurt. My
takeaway is, and I also I'm going to have to
play somebody I don't want them seeing, you know, I
want them to have to go back eight games to
find some of my tricks. I could see Ohio State saying,
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you know, any player that's kind of banged up, you're
not playing and kind of doing a vanilla playbook, and
then they lose because if I'm the bottom line is
if I beat Michigan and winning Natty, nobody gives a
rip about Indiana.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
You beat Michigan, you win a Natty.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
So I guess my question is is it possible we're
gonna get a really flat, uninspired I heard Buckeye team
this weekend.
Speaker 9 (33:01):
I don't think so, because they've been business like the
entire year. It didn't matter if we saw him at
you know, I saw him play Rutgers, I saw him
play Illinois, and they were the same every single week.
And I feel like we're going to get the same
business like approach from the Buckeyes. Let's also keep in
mind this is a program. None of these players have
won a Big Ten title. This is not like old
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hat for Ohio State. We might feel like that because
we've seen Ohio state of recent vintage, but this program
hasn't won a Big Ten title since twenty twenty. They're
going to want to go out there and put their
best foot forward. There's also more on the line when
you think about the Heisman Trophy. Julian Sayin's going to
have to play well in order to win the game
in order to win the Heisman Trophy. So I still
think that there's a lot on the line. The number
one seed overall in the playoff is going to be beneficial.
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You'd rather play the number four team in the country
in the semi final than the number two or three
team in the semi final. So all of those things
I think will be incentive for them to go put
their best foot forward.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Okay, let's get to Kiffin.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Listen, I've said, don't marry the rock star and be
shocked when he says, I got to go on tour
for a couple of months.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Yeah. Ole Miss would.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Have signed up for where they're at today five years ago. Sure,
number one offense in the country eleven wins, but he's
gonna burn you on the way out. Ole Miss would
have signed up for that. So I don't have when
you go into business or you go into a relationship,
as long as you get full disclosure, and it was
on Lane Keffen. I don't have a lot of sympathy
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for Old Miss. They benefited just like everybody that hires
Lane does. Your offense gets better, you get talked about,
there's controversy and social media. I mean, I guess the
whole thing doesn't bother me as much as it probably
bothers everybody else, does it?
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Well?
Speaker 9 (34:42):
You, I just everything that you said is correct, nothing
you said is wrong there. Yeah, I mean he's got
the five messiest exits in maybe football history. I mean,
think about it, Al Davis with the overhead projector you
got the Tennessee debacle. He's left on the tarmac and
usc Saban told him to Rocks before the National Championship
game and now here at Old Miss. So everything that
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you're saying, yes, if you're Old Miss again, Ole Miss,
the program, the administration, I'm sure that this is kind
of like, yeah, maybe this was always in the cards,
or certainly we could expect this. But I think of
it not from the Old Miss perspective, and I think
of it from the player's perspective. If you're one of
those players and you're sitting in the meetings in August
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in early September and they're talking about team first and
committing and let's go achieve something and here are our
team goals. Well, he just left that team and they
are going to field spurred and trust me, like you're
seeing articles out there where some of these players are
are pushing back on this narrative that Lane, you know,
wanted to coach, and they wanted him to coach, and
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they're like, no, you know, we feel pretty betrayed by
Lane Kiffin. And rightly, so listen, I don't begrudge this
man his movement. And he's going to go, and he
thought LSU was going to be a better opportunity for
he and his family, you know, more power to him,
but that doesn't mean that there are not consequences to
those decisions. And he did leave a team high and dry,
and he left those players high and dry. That's going
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to hurt his credibility moving forward. And he also went
to a place that, let's face it is not.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
As sound foundationally.
Speaker 9 (36:15):
They might have more resources, but it's certainly a lot
more crazy at LSU. It's like, listen, you know you
can go with a six to prom and that six
is going to be committed to you. You take the nine,
she might be crazy.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
All right, that's a good way to put it.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Okay, you and I did not like Penn State. They
did not like you and I didn't like Penn State
abruptly canning James Franklin. Well, now what's happened is the
power brokers who run this sport, the agents are freezing
out Penn State and they have like the recruiting class.
I'm surprised they haven't called me. They are not recruiting
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anybody like like there, Montana is going to have a
better recruiting class that they than pay. So I what
do you think happens?
Speaker 2 (37:05):
It's a good job.
Speaker 9 (37:06):
It's a good job, but unfortunately for them, and then
I know that people involved it has been mismanaged. I
think that they had a plan when they fired James Franklin,
and I think that that plan involved Kurt Signetti, and
Kurt Signetti was like, Nope, that ain't that ain't my bag.
And once that happened, then they were behind the eight ball.
And now they've been gotten passed up by these other programs.
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So I think here's the thing. I think that Penn
State went after Kloni Sataki pretty hard, and Crumble Cookie
came in and said, our cookies are delicious and they're
making a lot of money and no, and if you
don't know that, the Crumble Cookie guy is a BYU
guy and he came in with a lot of it.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
It's a big meme and it's fantastic.
Speaker 9 (37:47):
So now I think that there's probably a couple of
guys that they're still in talks with and trying to get.
I think Brian dave Ball is still in play. I
think Jeff Brahm at Louisville is still in play. And
the fact that it hasn't happened yet. And today, by
the way, is National sign early signing Day. Players can
recruits can sign to your school today. And Penn State
doesn't have a coach, which is wild. It speaks to
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the possible mismanagement of what's going on, or at least
it's going off the rails. And they don't have a coach,
which also leads me to believe that something is up
their sleeve. Colin, I think that they are targeting a
coach that is still playing this week, and I if
you just go process of elimination, this is not information
that I've heard from anybody. If process of elimination, you think, well,
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Kirby's not going anywhere, Sataki told him no, Joey McGuire's
not going anywhere. Both guys in the American at two
Lane in North Texas some are all and Eric Morris
they already have a place to go. Is it Tony
Elliott at Virginia possibly, Manny Diaz at Duke possibly? Or
is it Kaylin de Boor at Alabama? I think that
they might be going after a guy that is coaching
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this week, which is why it's bleeding into the signing day.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Caylin de Boor, by the way, is a Midwest guy,
isn't He got has started in South Dakota? How about
that again?
Speaker 9 (39:08):
I haven't No one's told me that officially, But I
if you just play that out, like why do you
not have a coach yet, he's got to still be coaching.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
That's clet That's pretty good closure right there. You just
went Mariano Rivera on us. That was a pretty good clothes.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Right, cut her in on the hands.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Just okay, Well, I'm gonna enjoy the games you have Indiana,
Ohio State. I like Ohio State. Man, you're getting good games.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
You love it. Did you get a job promotion here
at the company they're giving you a good games.
Speaker 9 (39:41):
No, no, they said that I've been I've been doing
a good job on these hits. So this is it's
reward for doing a good job here.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Joe Clatt, good thing. See you, brother. That's interesting. I
think Klen de Bor is unbelievable. I really do.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
I think Bama's you know, every he's banging on. He's
not coaching the Saban Bama teams. You understand Saban left
Bama right. You think it's because of age, but you
watch Saban on TV. He's still funny as ever. Energy's unbelievable.
White Saban get out. I said this about four years ago.
He played Sark when the nil started, about.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Four years ago.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Whatever it was, he played Sark, and Sark had all
that Texas money and Saban's no dummy. Remember he started
complaining publicly. He looked at A and M and the Longhorns.
That's Texas money. I mean, Texas is the Bentley Alabama
money is a glove compartment in a Kia you're talking
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Texas money. Saban played Texas and went. I got no
interest going toe to toe with the Aggies and the
Longhorns bags of money. So Saban's like exit stage right.
Caitlin de Bord takes it. Everybody's like, well, he's not
as good. He doesn't have the players. When you wch
Bama played Georgia this weekend, George's got more good players.
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If Ohio State played Bama, Ohio skits out much better players.
I think Texas has better players. So and I think
Greg Burn the ad hired the right guy. But you
know it's really unfair to say, well, I mean this guy,
this guy's an unbelievable coach.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
I just root for great coaching. That guy's a great coach.
One more Heard.
Speaker 7 (41:28):
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Speaker 1 (41:44):
I like Cincinnati getting T Higgins back plus six coming
off extra rest nineteen and nine last five years December January.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
That's Burrow.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
By the way, what's Burrow when his last eight starts
eight and oh he is back? The Bills have not
been good. McDermott's won for his one for four against
the Bengals. The offense now for Buffalo, multiple giveaways in
four straight games. They can't stop the run, and the
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Bengals three straight games rushing for over one hundred yards.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
T Higgins is back.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Joey Bosa out for Buffalo. Joe Burrow more time to
throw upset take Cincinnati plus the six to beat Buffalo. Outright,
Joe Burrow, T Higgins, Here they go thirty twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Colt said Jaguars.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
I'll take the Jaguars at home plus one and a half.
They've won ten straight games against the Colts in Jayville.
They own him in Jacksonville, and they're on a three
game winning streak, and they have the number one rush
defense that will force four the Colts to throw. The
problem is Daniel Jones has a fibula fracture, not moving
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particularly well, and over the last couple of games he's
completing fifty seven percent of his throws. The offense feels
a little broken since Week nine.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
These are two different teams.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Jacksonville very good, the Colts average at about twenty two
a game, one in three. Jaguars always good against the Colts.
In this spot, win it thirty to twenty four. Dolphins
and Jets. What am I doing? I'm taking the Jets
as a home dog plus two and a half. Tyrod Taylor,
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I'm gonna go with him. Ad Mitchell, that wide receiver
that came over from the Colts. Do you see what
he did last week?
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Ah, got some good numbers, eight catches. You see that
top ten pass defense without Sauce Gardner.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
Listen, the Jets are playing their butt off.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
They've won three to five, and they're scoring points, and
they're at home and they're a dog. And did you
watch Tua over the last month. I don't know what's wrong.
First of all, he's terrible in cold weather. No touchdowns
for twoa and three of his last four games, leaves
the NFL with fourteen interceptions. Tua someton's off. It's getting cold.
The Jets are playing hard for Aaron Glenn. Not a
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great team playing hard. I take the Jets to win
and cover twenty seven twenty four.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Take him in the point. Texans aid, Chiefs, I have
to take the hook.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
I'm taking the Texans plus the hook three and a
half four game winning streak. Five of their six road
games this season have been one score games. Number one
scoring defense held opponents in five of their last six
games under twenty points.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Hunter and Will.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
Anderson against a beat up Kansas City offensive line that
three of their five starters on the O line are injured,
including left tackle, guard, right tackle. I'm sorry, it's a
low scoring game. I've got to take the hook here.
Chiefs have been out gained in three of their last
four games.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
By the way, in twelve games.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
They have twenty two sacks Kansas City's twenty seventh, so CJ.
Stroud gonna have a little extra time. I don't know
who wins. I don't know who wins, but I'm taking
the points in the Hawk twenty four to twenty three
Kansas City in the last second field goal. I am
taking Houston though three and a half point.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
Eagles at Chargers.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
I'm gonna take the Eagles minus two and a half
is my only favorite. They're four and two on the road.
They beat Kansas City at Bucks and Green Bay on
the road. Number one red zone offense, number five offensive
line and Saquon Barkley may not be running, but Jalen Hurts,
for some reason, is often a better road quarterback. The
Chargers have faced two teams with a winning record over
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the last ten weeks. They got hammered by both of them,
and the offensive line it's not good at all. So
Jalen Hurts last two years on the road, I'm telling
you he's better away from Philly, and I think I
think I have maybe the best O line and unquestionably
the worst O line. I think it's close. I think
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the crowd is sixty five thirty five. Philadelphia feels a
little bit like a home game. I'm gonna swallow the
two and a half. I'm gonna take Philly twenty four
to twenty jmacho reaction.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
I don't take dogs.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
I don't like to bet games like the Jags Colts,
which I find.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Hard to watch.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
But I'm taking the underdog Bengals, I get the Jaguars.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
I'm taking the Jets.
Speaker 7 (46:38):
I know.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
I love the Jets call.
Speaker 6 (46:41):
By the way, you know what they're calling Tyrod Taylor,
ty god Taylor. He's seven to one against the spread
in his last eight starts. All he does is cover
and it is cold in New York this week. I
like that call, Buddy,
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Oh, it's gonna be a Monday for the Ages. What
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It's Doc Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may
be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day.
You got a lot of choices out there. Sark Steve Sarkisian.
Stop fight Urban Meyer, Stop fight Lane. Kevin's going to LSU.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
What don't we make it?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Affairs? What do we make of Mike Tomlin Pittsburgh. Let's
not waste any time one hour from now? Where Colin
was right? Where Colin was wrong? So you heard the chance? Potentially?
Did you hear the chance in Pittsburgh as the Bills
were rolling over the Steelers fire Mike Tomlin chance? And
I feel like the last eight years the Steelers are
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the exact same team. They'll finish slightly above five hundred.
They have the bottom ten defense. They'll be better early
than November, December and January. And the quarterback plays limited
because they can't run the football and the old line
is always in crisis. That's what they are. You can
keep running through quarterbacks and left tackles and wide receivers
and drama and running backs coordinators, doesn't matter the guy
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in charge. Mike Tomlin is tone def to offense. NFL
head coaches have gotten younger, smarter, and more offensive, and
these older defensive guys Pete Carroll, Bill Belichick, Mike Tomlin,
Ron Rivera Lovey Smith, they feel outdated. And I said this,
Aaron Rodgers, go to Minnesota or retire. You're just stepping
(01:54):
into Tomlin's quicksand And I would have no problem hiring
Mike Tomlin, say in Miami to stabilize the Dolphins.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I think he'd be a really good fit there.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
But look around the league right now, who's the number
one seed in the AFC. Sean Payton offensive coach, the
Jaguars never deliver. Oh wait, now they're gonna win their
division potentially. Liam Cohen offensive coach. Sean McVeigh is number
two seed in the NFC. You know who number one is,
offensive coach Ben Johnson. I would argue Kyle Shanan's done
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a better job coaching than anybody outside of Mike ravel
this year, another offensive coach. Offensive coaches are younger, they're smarter,
they're more current.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
And I said this last week.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Offensive coaches can fix problems in the season. Defensive guys
feel like they need an off season. And I'm sorry,
but on defense they're old. The Steelers are expensive, Darius Slay,
Jalen Ramsey, they're past their prime. They're paying a fortune
for it. They got gray beards on offense and on defense.
They took a defensive tackle instead of Jackson Dark. What
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are you doing again? No urgency? This is a criticism
I said about Pete Carroll. Do you know Smith's not
good enough? Ron Rivera said, I got to Sam Howe,
not good enough, Aaron Rodgers. Don't blame him. Look around
the league. The rules have change. These old defensive guys.
I don't have a problem with the Miko Ryans, Mike McDonald.
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They're young, they're current, they're aggressive. I mean McDonald took
over for Pete Carroll an hour later. The team was
better with the same players. So the last six Super
Bowls have featured head coaches with an offensive background. Doesn't
mean you have to hire him. But yesterday, finally, finally,
the fans said enough. I mean, you hold Buffalo to
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three points at half and you get rolled and we
don't even like Buffalo this year. We don't even know
what to make up Buffalo this year. Here was a
stoic and an honest Mike Tomlin after.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
That's an awful performance by us, but it's us. We
didn't do a lot well tonight. Obviously, May did.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
You have a sense for how restless and frustrating the
crowd was To Ben, I.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Don't know how restless and frustrated I was, and so
I assume they were in the same state we were
in Man, I shared their frustration to night Man, we
didn't do enough, and that's just reality of it.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah, the defense has been the highest paid for four years.
It's not elite. Come on now, and this is not
just me or the media or the fans. We don't
even think Buffalo's creative. Here's TJ. Watt sounding like a
shot at Tomlin the staff after the game.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
We need to find ways to be able to make plays,
and I mean, I've never seen a team run the
same play as much as they ran tonight and have
as much success as they had. I mean, I'm out
of a lout of words for it. We talk about
the team that we have, we talk about everything that
we have, but right now we don't have a kick
ass defensive group. And that's all that I can speak on.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
I mean, you got to have it.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Ben Johnson has been in Chicago less than a year.
They already have an identity tough, physical, run the ball
on offense. How many years are we going to watch
the Steelers struggle to figure out how to run the football.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Ben Johnson's done it in twelve thirteen weeks.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Mike Vrabel, still in a rebuild, has got that defense planets,
butt off and not paying much for it. He can't
figure out the defense like it just doesn't work anymore.
I'd hire him maybe in Miami. Doesn't mean he's not
a good coach, and it wouldn't fit other places. But
between this ownership group, the great GM who left, the
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coach who feels toned def to offense, the fans have
finally come to the realization that we have for about
three years. This is not good enough. It's just not
good enough. And All Miss wasn't good enough for Lane Kiffin.
Say what you want about Kiffin, you don't have to
like him. Harbaugh to Michigan, Kiffin to LSU. They feel big.
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Harball was controversial for years. Kiffin's going to be controversial
every four weeks. This is great for college football. There's
an attention economy in college football. Dion did it at Colorado,
put eyes on the program. He's just not the coach
Kiffin is. And this is not LSU much better program
than Colorado. And I say this to all the bitter
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people in Mississippi. I understand you're hurt, but when you
have signed up for this exit, when Kiffin got.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
There, you've been irrelevant forever. I don't think.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
I think last time you won an SEC championship was
in the sixties. Anytime you're good, you have a manning quarterback,
arch or Eli. If I'd have told you four years ago,
Lane Kiffin's going to burn you at the end'll make
you the number one offense. It'll be the best Old
Miss football team ever. Stadium's packed, everybody in the country
is looking at you. You'll feel proud to be a
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Mississippian and an Ole Miss fan.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
He'll leave you. It'll be ugly.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
You that taken it on the spot. You date the supermodel,
she dun't you? You knew it was coming. I mean
you were cheating with Hugh freeziyears ago. So you played
the game in college football. You were paying people when
you weren't supposed to pay people. Don't get too precious,
old miss. Your history was Hugh Freeze. You supported him.
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NCAA outrageous Nick Saban stopped recruiting in Mississippi with Hugh
Freeze because they were just buying players.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
So you played the game before. This is the game.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
It's an eight billion dollar industry. I have complained for
years about college football. It's boxing. Bob aram don King
made a fortune and a handful of boxers did, but
it was unregular. That's why Dana White shows up and
the UFC dominates. Boxing gets organized. It's got a CEO, right,
It's an unregulated it's I said last week, it's bitcoin.
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You buy it, you better know it's turbulent and you're
gonna get scorched. You're gonna have bad days. And that's
college football. I don't love I don't love leaving before
the playoff, but college football's calendar's always been weird, and
college football has put up no boundaries or regulations on this.
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So the last fifty years, all miss five times has
had a ten win season. Kiffin gave you three, and
he gave you You're only eleven win regular season. Okay,
So and you got busted for cheating years ago with
Hugh Freeze, Houston, Nutt or ed or Jeron.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I can go through the coaches. Nobody wins there. Kiff.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
It not only onenty one big, and the SEC has
always had one rule, always eat or be eaten. This
was bound to happen. And you don't have to like Kiffin,
and you don't have to like the way it looks.
But he's a ladder climber and a lot of coaches
are and I get it. Nick Saban, get out of
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here at Bama. USC fired him on a tarmac. Lane
Kiffen's reality is Al Davis fired him weirdly. USC fired
him strangely. You think he's losing sleep. And if you
didn't know that going in, that's a you problem. Now,
this ridiculous comment that Lane Kiffen should be allowed to
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coach at Old Miss having the LSU job. That's the
dumbest thing I've ever heard. So I don't blame Old
Miss for moving off him. I mean, that's just ridiculous.
People that say that on other networks. You've heard a
relegation in the English Premier League, you should be relegated
as an on air talent. If you're arguing that, I mean,
that's just ridiculous. That's not going to happen. I'm rooting
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for Old Miss in the playoffs. Selfishly, I wanted to
watch Lane Kiffin. I wanted to see it. I don't
think they're as good as is most teams, but I
think they could potentially beat Notre Dame. And they're not
beating Ohio State. I don't think anybody's beaten Ohio State.
But come on, man, college football it's like a weird
black market economy. They don't have a CEO, they don't
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have a president. The old Wild Wild West in the
eighteen hundreds when he used to have territorial governors. That's
what you have in college football. They're called conference commissioners.
All they care about is themselves. Here was Lane Kiffin after.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
This was a very challenging difficult day. You know, we
went through a lot last night with Keith Carter trying
to figure out a way, you know, to make this
playoff you know, run work and the order to coach
the team. And at the end of the day, that's
his decision, and I totally respect that. I understand that decision,
and you know, so I just totally wish the team
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the best of the luck, wish that I was coaching,
but understand that it was a very challenging position for
him and the chance to be in, and totally respect that. So,
you know, just really really hope they play really well
and go win the national championship.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Good job by Marty Smith there, Hey, listen, this idea
that Kiffin's trying.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
To direct the program.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Have any of you guys ever gotten a great job,
because when you do, you take three or four people
from your great job to the next job. It didn't
take the entire staff. He's not trying to direct the program.
He's not rooting against old Miss, but he's now the
coach of what many coaches perceive as the best job
in college football, or at least top three. The reaction
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at that little airport in Oxford, though, I got to admit,
let's play it sound up is pretty funny. I'm sorry
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that I could watch that on a loop. I'm sorry,
but it's always remarkable to me when people get into
relationships with people who have a clear ID, who have
a clear brand. And I know Lane, I always got
along with him. Fine, he's not for everybody. I think
he's grown up. But you'd have taken him if I'd
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have told you. He's gonna burn you in the end.
But it'll be four years of bliss. You'll be the
number one offense in college football. Everybody will be talking
about you. You're gonna make the college football Playoff.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
You got a signed up for it in a heartbeat.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
It just ended up like bitcoin acquisitions bumpy.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
You feel burned. Unregulated, that's what it is.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Don't buy the coin if you don't like the outcome potential.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
So I an ole mess.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
You know you're not gonna let him keep coaching there
and have another job at LSU.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
That's dumb, all right, J Mack.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
We got Ben Johnson and the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Are they gonna run the NFC?
Speaker 1 (13:16):
How about this weekend slate of games Bears, Packers, Thursday's
Lions Cowboys, even the Jags Colts is interesting. I mean
it worked out perfectly. The TV games coming up starting
Thursday are the best of the year.
Speaker 6 (13:31):
Yeah, and you got college football obviously getting crazy. Besides
the Lankiffin. I'm so you saw Pat Fitzgerald headed to
Michigan State. That's a home run higher. I mean, just
an awesome weekend in sports. So if you had a
good Thanksgiving, mind with spectacular.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yep, same here Sunday night after the conference championships, which
I don't think are gonna last very long. I don't
think you need him anymore. They're gonna put out the
college football Playoff. I thought Notre Dame was in over
Miami for sure. Then I watched Miami hammer Pittsburgh, and
now I'm not sure. At least Miami can say we
got a great win over Notre Dame. Notre Dame can
say we've got a we beat USC. I'm telling you
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it's gonna be razor thin. You just gotta keep watching
the games. Sarks showing up later so as.
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Speaker 2 (14:58):
Heard hierarchy.
Speaker 7 (15:00):
I go for the top ten NFL teams according to
College Number ten.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
I don't like their red zone offense. But Houston Texans
four game winning streak, best defense, excellent head coach. They
shut people down opposing quarterbacks this year. I've a passer
rating a seventy four. That's a bad backup quarterback. So there,
What does that mean? They're in every game? They're in
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absolutely every game.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
I'm telling you.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
They play Kansas City this week. Kansas City has to win.
I would not want to play them. They play at
a different speed Defensively. Nine times this year teams have
scored fewer than twenty points in an offensive league that's
never had better offensive coaching. Houston at ten, number nine. Philadelphia.
I'm tired of saying I love their general manager. They
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lead the NFL in three and outs, They're near the
top in punts.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
I mean, Saquon.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Barkley is thirty ninth in the league in yards per carry.
And I don't think this staff, this coaching staff can
fix it in season like Matt Lafleur fixed the Packers
broken offense in season. I mean they have a twenty
second ranked rushing offense with Jalen Hurt. Saquon barked me
in a good old line. I don't even know where
to put him. Maybe I'm being complimentary putting Philadelphia at nine,
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number eight, and Dallas just beat him. I'm sorry. Since
they got Quinn Williams and Logan Wilson, they're three to zero.
Their quarterback pressure rate was top three and it's improved
thirty five percent since they got Quinn Williams and Kenny
Clark and now Demarvin Overshown is healthy. Just trust your eyes.
They are getting to the quarterback. They're doing a better
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job of protecting theirs. And Ceedee Lamb and George Pickens,
they're both number ones and now they run the ball,
so I mean, I say what you want. Right now,
the Dallas Cowboys are a top ten team in the NFL,
and I'm gonna take them to beat Detroit Thursday, Number.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Eight, number seven.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Well, the Bears lead the NFL and takeaways. They're running
the heck out of the ball. Caleb williams inaccuracy is
an issue should be noted, though he's actually been very
good on third down. His passer ratings over one hundred
on third down, and they're listen. Ben Johnson's got a
Shanahan feel to him. He's gonna run the ball forty
seven times. He doesn't care, so they have an identity.
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They take the ball away. Caleb Williams is good on
third down and in the fourth quarter. Still have some
work to do, but I like any team that is
a physical team. In December and January and the Bears
are number six Buffalo Now, the turnovers have increased. Multiple
giveaways in four straight games is a problem, and they
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can't defend the run, which will be there undoing in January.
But Josh Allen right now is the best quarterback in
the league. Despite not having a dominant receiving corps. They're
number two in big plays and they're running the so again.
Their ability to run the football tells me they'll win
a playoff game and maybe two. Number five Seattle turn
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the sound down. They just look different. I mean they've
outgained every opponent in eleven games. They are fast, they
are physical. One of five teams without back to back losses.
I mean, Sam Darnold did not play well this week
and they shut out a team twenty six nothing. He
threw four picks and they almost beat the Rams in LA.
They got a lot of talent defense, back to back
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games with four sacks, young defensive coach who is current,
who has pivoted multiple times.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
I like Seattle got him at five. Number four Denver.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
I moved him down nine game winning streat But it's
a lot of one score games and they could have
lost to Washington. They have trailed in all twelve games
this season. I mean, if you told me a high
seed lost in the first round of the playoffs, I
think we'd all go Denver. I just don't think their
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offense is even enough. There are time this week when
Washington moved the ball up and down the field. That's troubling.
You hope it's just a one off. The Rams played,
their defense stunk this week, and I have Denver.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
At four number three. I may have Green Bay low.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I have them at three three game winning streak, all
by a touchdown or more. Jordan love folks. We gotta
stop wondering if Jordan loves good. The answer is yes,
big tall arm doesn't throw picks.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
And now they get Jayden reidback.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Now they got Micah, so they have their closer when
they have a lead. Now they're getting Matthew Golden back.
Green Bay is a super Bowl team, and they were
broken offensively three weeks ago. But these young, smart offensive
coaches like Matt Lafleur can fix problems in season. Defensive
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coaches years Mike Tom, I'm going to struggle to fix
the old line in the run game in Pittsburgh. Green
Bay at three number two. Rams had a bad week.
Points allowed, giveaways, they were a mess. But they are
the least penalized team in the NFL, highest graded overall
team offense and defense. They only allow seventeen a game.
They had a stinker. They went out East. They didn't
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play well, but you can throw the ball on them
if your offensive line can hold up Mac Jones did
I mean Bryce Young did?
Speaker 8 (20:33):
So?
Speaker 1 (20:33):
I have them at two number one. I'm gonna put
in New England one.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
I watched them go to Buffalo and win. I watched
them go to Tampa and win. Fifth time they've scored
thirty plus points. They're incredibly sound. Great on special teams.
I said it earlier. It's very reminiscent of the Belichick
Brady stuff, with a more mobile quarterback and a player
friendly coach.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
What don't they do well?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
They don't run the football particularly well well. The Chiefs
have won Super Bowls in years because they don't run
it well. Again, they leave the NFL in big plays.
You don't get any cheap touchdowns. They tackle well. Special
teams are great. Fifth game this year they've held an
opponent to fifteen points or fewer. So I don't know
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what I'm supposed to do with them. You keep telling
me what listen, What am I supposed to do with Denver?
Speaker 2 (21:28):
They keep winning? What am I supposed to do with
Last night?
Speaker 1 (21:32):
They got thirty in the first half with a backup
left tackle. They can't run the ball a backup left guard.
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Speaker 1 (21:52):
Well, what a wild, wild conclusion. I mean, at least
now we have a college football playoff of twelve teams.
We didn't like when the computers did it, we didn't
like when the media selected it.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
We don't like.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
The Rando arbitrary committee doing it. But at least a
playoff will be great when we figure out who's in
and who's out. Right now, Notre Dame's in Miami and
Texas are out. Just head to head. Matter in Oklahoma
got thumb by Texas and m got thumb by Texas.
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Vandy got thumb by Texas. Texas was willing to play
Ohio State and Columbus lost close, they didn't get in.
And I mean Texas plays in the SEC where you know,
I always.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Hear about bad losses.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Miami lost to SMU SMU be Clemson in Miami. They're
not that bad. They're eight and four. They went to
the playoff last year. The game was in Dallas. They're
not that bad.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
So the Louisville loss stunk.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
And for Texas, I guess the Florida loss is bad,
but man, Texas had a lot of quality wins.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
I just.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
You know, I'm somebody that I look at your schedule
and give me quality wins.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
I am.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
I don't think bad losses should be the be all
end all. The Rams just lost to the Panthers. I
just think we've asked college kids now to play more
and more and more and more games. You're gonna have
a stinker. Rams defense. Last week stunk and we.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Know they're great.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
And Miami, you know, Texas went and played an SEC
team in Gainesville and got beat. Remember last year Lane
Kiffitt took a good team to Gainesville and lost.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I lose it at Gainesville's.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
To me, it's an SEC team, it's ninety thousand people,
it's allowed to stadium collegiately.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
I've ever been to with that.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Joel Klatt who called Ohio State Michigan, he'll be calling
Ohio State Indiana. He's getting some good games. So I
guess this is we both love the sport. I guess
I guess where I feel bad. So Miami's going we
beat him head to head. Yeah, and Texas is going
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we beat three top dead teams. And the Committee's like, well,
Notre Dame didn't really have a quality win, but they
had no bad losses. I don't know if that's how
we should measure greatness. I like Notre Dame as a
program shouldn't. Doesn't Miami have a real case here?
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Of course?
Speaker 9 (24:28):
Of course, of course Miami has a real case and
Texas has a real case.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
And there's so many ways to go.
Speaker 9 (24:36):
Let me, let me just start with, like, the problem
is obviously the format obviously right, because we're trying to
have this selection based playoff and it doesn't matter if
you have computers do it or people do it. Like
it's subjective and there's no way that you can rank
the criteria, or or at least they don't rank the
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criteria and tell us which one is going to take
precedent over the other. So there's all different types of criteria.
You can take a head to head criteria or resume criteria,
the eye test criteria, did you get to a conference
championship game? What did your schedule look like in particular
in the non conference, And yet we don't rank those
So what value does any of those criteria actually have
towards the ranking? Well, we don't know, and I think
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that's the arbitrary nature of it is what's frustrating. I've
argued for a long time that we need to define
the path you see, like for instance, in every other sport,
always in forever, what do we do to break tiebreakers?
Speaker 5 (25:31):
Colin?
Speaker 9 (25:32):
The first one is head to head always, always. And
so here's the thing with Notre Dame. I don't think
they're just in. I know that they're not going to
play another game in Miami is not going to play
another game, But but they have this buffer that is BYU.
And so if you actually play this out, I think
Notre Dame is actually more likely to miss the playoff
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than make the playoff.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
And here's why.
Speaker 9 (25:56):
If BYU wins in the Big twelve championship game beats
Texas Tech, they get an automatic spot and there's almost
no scenario where Tech falls behind Notre Dame. Therefore, Notre
Dame would fall out. Now if BYU loses to Texas Tech,
maybe similar fashion to the way they lost already this
year when they played Tech twenty nine to seven. It
was a dominant victory for the Red Raiders. Wouldn't by
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you almost assuredly just fall maybe one spot or two
spots in the rankings behind Miami, which then would promote
a direct comparison with what we're talking about, two teams
right next to each other, same record, with a head
to head result. I think Notre Dame's actually in a
really precarious spot right now.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
I listen, you know me, I like big brands. I
want Notre Dame in Miami and Texas all in right,
that's what I'm rooting for.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
I think Texas is cooked. I don't see the way
they get in. I know, but it.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Didn't unbelievable beat Oklahoma like a drum dominated, bandy dominated
and they losed Ohio State by seven. From that point forward,
Ohio State won by an average of thirty one. They're
the only team that played a super close game in
Columbus four new offensive linemen, and you're like, best college
defense probably either one of us has seen in half
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a decade. And they lose by a touchdown and Texas
didn't play well, and you're like, I don't know, Like, listen,
they don't match.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Out with Georgia. They just don't. That happens. They don't
match up with Georgia.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Let me ask you this, Indiana scheduled a week at
a conference schedule right now, they'd have a bye.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
What if Indiana gets smoked.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
What if it is thirty eight seventeen and it looks
like the Indiana Notre Dame game last year? What if
Indiana gets smoked, what happens to them?
Speaker 9 (27:45):
I don't think they fall out of by territory. And
the reason is that Oregon will act as a buffer. Remember,
they beat Oregon, so like Oregon is their floor. So
even if they fall down with what they've done this year,
they're probably still going to remain in the top four.
Even even if they were to get now, I don't
think they'll get smoked. I think that's a very good
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and complete team. Now, did they play a soft non conference?
There's no doubt that they played a soft non conference.
But I don't see a situation where either the loser
of the Big Ten championship game, Ohio State or Indiana
falls out of a position where they're getting a buy
in the first round of the College football Playoff.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Okay, if what if okay Bama went to Georgia. It's
one of the I mean, honestly, one of the most
perfect game plans I've ever seen. They beat Georgia in Athens.
They were flawless, one of the best habs of football
played by anybody this year. What if Georgia beats them?
And by the way, Georgia and Kirby Smart don't beat
Alabama much like it that you talk about a matchup.
Georgia doesn't beat Bama, Texas doesn't beat Georgia. What if
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Bama gets smacked? Can they get knocked out?
Speaker 9 (28:46):
I think possibly, Although the history and the precedent from
the committee last year was that they weren't going to
penalize teams for losing conference championship games. And we saw
that when SMU lost to Clemson, you remember, and Clemson
got the automatic automatic berth but then SMU stayed in
college football playoff that went to Penn State and loss
in the first round. So President would tell you that
this committee is going to value conference championship games and
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not not knock a team for losing that now here,
let me just say this sake of argument, let's just
pull ourselves out thirty thousand foot view for a moment,
because that would suggest that this committee is trying to
protect or value conference championship games. And I would make
the argument that in college football for the last ten
and twenty years, we have done a really poor job
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of trying to protect and value things that are obviously
going to die, like amateurism and bowl games, for example.
These are things that obviously don't fit in what's going
to happen in the future of our sport, and the
fact that they didn't move off of amateurism early led
to the chaos that we have now with the transfer
portal and the revenue share. The fact that they won't
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move off of bowl games gives us a regular season
and then playoff that leaks into the NFL playoffs that
leaks into the transfer portal late into January. So we're
not nimble in colleg a football. And if you protect
a conference championship game, the writing is on the wall
colin these games are being devalued. There's no reason to
protect those. So if Bamba were to get smacked, I
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could see a situation where, depending on what happens in
the BYU Texas second game, they get in, maybe Miami
gets in, and maybe you know, they take another look
at Texas in that regard. But I do think that
we need to start putting the right value in the
right spots. I think that we need to start talking
about defining the path to the playoff rather than having
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a selection based committee playoff. These things would be better
for the sport. Not to get too long winded, but
just for an example, just for an example, imagine this weekend.
If we had a play in weekend and this didn't
live in a committee room, but it lived on the
field where we had based on where you finished in
your conference, automatic bursts per conference, maybe four each for
the big guys SEC and Big ten, maybe two each
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for the ACC and the Big twelve. And then you
would get matchups this weekend colin like Texas at Texas
A and m winner goes to the playoff, BYU Utah
winner goes to the playoff, Miami Duke winner goes to
the playoff. So we would be able to say, hey, listen,
rather than just sitting there and watching your TV and
seeing if a committee puts you in, you control your
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own fate. Go play a football game for sixty minutes
and if you can win that game, then you're going
to go on into a fourteen team playoff. That's what
I would do. Yeah, but no one's making me commissioner yet.
If you've got that power, please do so.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
If I was commissioner, I would say head to head
one quality wins two, That to me should be It
would clarity would be pretty easy. I mean, Texas would
be in Notre Dame. Would not be like head to
head matters quality. Because I want better scheduling, I would
take it away from at large.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
I just don't.
Speaker 9 (31:45):
I don't like this idea that we're just like selecting teams.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Now.
Speaker 9 (31:49):
Even if you define the criterion valued them as you're
saying in a particular order, that would help. That would
certainly help. I would just rather put it on the field.
I would rather have a play in weekend. Play weekend
with fourteen teams would create more value at the top
because there would only be two buys. So you're really
creating a top end incentive for those teams to play
hard late into the season, the best teams in the country,
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and more access and control.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
At the bottom.
Speaker 9 (32:14):
You know, I That's what I would do, Okay, I
got three.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Things, though, I'm gonna get to Penn State Lane Kiffin
before I do that. I can see Ryan Day wants
to win every game but the conference championship. For like
Ohio State means nothing. I don't want guys hurt. My
takeaway is, and I also I'm going to have to
play somebody I don't want them seeing, you know, I
want them to have to go back eight games to
find some of my tricks. I could see Ohio State saying,
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you know, any player that's kind of banged up, you're
not playing and kind of doing a vanilla playbook, and
then they lose because if I'm the bottom line is
if I beat Michigan and winning Natty, nobody gives a
rip about Indiana.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
You beat Michigan, you win a Natty.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
So I guess my question is is it possible we're
gonna get a really flat, uninspired I heard Buckeye team
this weekend.
Speaker 9 (33:01):
I don't think so, because they've been business like the
entire year. It didn't matter if we saw him at
you know, I saw him play Rutgers, I saw him
play Illinois, and they were the same every single week.
And I feel like we're going to get the same
business like approach from the Buckeyes. Let's also keep in
mind this is a program. None of these players have
won a Big Ten title. This is not like old
(33:22):
hat for Ohio State. We might feel like that because
we've seen Ohio state of recent vintage, but this program
hasn't won a Big Ten title since twenty twenty. They're
going to want to go out there and put their
best foot forward. There's also more on the line when
you think about the Heisman Trophy. Julian Sayin's going to
have to play well in order to win the game
in order to win the Heisman Trophy. So I still
think that there's a lot on the line. The number
one seed overall in the playoff is going to be beneficial.
(33:44):
You'd rather play the number four team in the country
in the semi final than the number two or three
team in the semi final. So all of those things
I think will be incentive for them to go put
their best foot forward.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Okay, let's get to Kiffin.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Listen, I've said, don't marry the rock star and be
shocked when he says, I got to go on tour
for a couple of months.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Yeah. Ole Miss would.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Have signed up for where they're at today five years ago. Sure,
number one offense in the country eleven wins, but he's
gonna burn you on the way out. Ole Miss would
have signed up for that. So I don't have when
you go into business or you go into a relationship,
as long as you get full disclosure, and it was
on Lane Keffen. I don't have a lot of sympathy
(34:28):
for Old Miss. They benefited just like everybody that hires
Lane does. Your offense gets better, you get talked about,
there's controversy and social media. I mean, I guess the
whole thing doesn't bother me as much as it probably
bothers everybody else, does it?
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Well?
Speaker 9 (34:42):
You, I just everything that you said is correct, nothing
you said is wrong there. Yeah, I mean he's got
the five messiest exits in maybe football history. I mean,
think about it, Al Davis with the overhead projector you
got the Tennessee debacle. He's left on the tarmac and
usc Saban told him to Rocks before the National Championship
game and now here at Old Miss. So everything that
(35:04):
you're saying, yes, if you're Old Miss again, Ole Miss,
the program, the administration, I'm sure that this is kind
of like, yeah, maybe this was always in the cards,
or certainly we could expect this. But I think of
it not from the Old Miss perspective, and I think
of it from the player's perspective. If you're one of
those players and you're sitting in the meetings in August
(35:26):
in early September and they're talking about team first and
committing and let's go achieve something and here are our
team goals. Well, he just left that team and they
are going to field spurred and trust me, like you're
seeing articles out there where some of these players are
are pushing back on this narrative that Lane, you know,
wanted to coach, and they wanted him to coach, and
(35:46):
they're like, no, you know, we feel pretty betrayed by
Lane Kiffin. And rightly, so listen, I don't begrudge this
man his movement. And he's going to go, and he
thought LSU was going to be a better opportunity for
he and his family, you know, more power to him,
but that doesn't mean that there are not consequences to
those decisions. And he did leave a team high and dry,
and he left those players high and dry. That's going
(36:08):
to hurt his credibility moving forward. And he also went
to a place that, let's face it is not.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
As sound foundationally.
Speaker 9 (36:15):
They might have more resources, but it's certainly a lot
more crazy at LSU. It's like, listen, you know you
can go with a six to prom and that six
is going to be committed to you. You take the nine,
she might be crazy.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
All right, that's a good way to put it.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Okay, you and I did not like Penn State. They
did not like you and I didn't like Penn State
abruptly canning James Franklin. Well, now what's happened is the
power brokers who run this sport, the agents are freezing
out Penn State and they have like the recruiting class.
I'm surprised they haven't called me. They are not recruiting
(36:55):
anybody like like there, Montana is going to have a
better recruiting class that they than pay. So I what
do you think happens?
Speaker 2 (37:05):
It's a good job.
Speaker 9 (37:06):
It's a good job, but unfortunately for them, and then
I know that people involved it has been mismanaged. I
think that they had a plan when they fired James Franklin,
and I think that that plan involved Kurt Signetti, and
Kurt Signetti was like, Nope, that ain't that ain't my bag.
And once that happened, then they were behind the eight ball.
And now they've been gotten passed up by these other programs.
(37:29):
So I think here's the thing. I think that Penn
State went after Kloni Sataki pretty hard, and Crumble Cookie
came in and said, our cookies are delicious and they're
making a lot of money and no, and if you
don't know that, the Crumble Cookie guy is a BYU
guy and he came in with a lot of it.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
It's a big meme and it's fantastic.
Speaker 9 (37:47):
So now I think that there's probably a couple of
guys that they're still in talks with and trying to get.
I think Brian dave Ball is still in play. I
think Jeff Brahm at Louisville is still in play. And
the fact that it hasn't happened yet. And today, by
the way, is National sign early signing Day. Players can
recruits can sign to your school today. And Penn State
doesn't have a coach, which is wild. It speaks to
(38:07):
the possible mismanagement of what's going on, or at least
it's going off the rails. And they don't have a coach,
which also leads me to believe that something is up
their sleeve. Colin, I think that they are targeting a
coach that is still playing this week, and I if
you just go process of elimination, this is not information
that I've heard from anybody. If process of elimination, you think, well,
(38:29):
Kirby's not going anywhere, Sataki told him no, Joey McGuire's
not going anywhere. Both guys in the American at two
Lane in North Texas some are all and Eric Morris
they already have a place to go. Is it Tony
Elliott at Virginia possibly, Manny Diaz at Duke possibly? Or
is it Kaylin de Boor at Alabama? I think that
they might be going after a guy that is coaching
(38:51):
this week, which is why it's bleeding into the signing day.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Caylin de Boor, by the way, is a Midwest guy,
isn't He got has started in South Dakota? How about
that again?
Speaker 9 (39:08):
I haven't No one's told me that officially, But I
if you just play that out, like why do you
not have a coach yet, he's got to still be coaching.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
That's clet That's pretty good closure right there. You just
went Mariano Rivera on us. That was a pretty good clothes.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Right, cut her in on the hands.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Just okay, Well, I'm gonna enjoy the games you have Indiana,
Ohio State. I like Ohio State. Man, you're getting good games.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
You love it. Did you get a job promotion here
at the company they're giving you a good games.
Speaker 9 (39:41):
No, no, they said that I've been I've been doing
a good job on these hits. So this is it's
reward for doing a good job here.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Joe Clatt, good thing. See you, brother. That's interesting. I
think Klen de Bor is unbelievable. I really do.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
I think Bama's you know, every he's banging on. He's
not coaching the Saban Bama teams. You understand Saban left
Bama right. You think it's because of age, but you
watch Saban on TV. He's still funny as ever. Energy's unbelievable.
White Saban get out. I said this about four years ago.
He played Sark when the nil started, about.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Four years ago.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Whatever it was, he played Sark, and Sark had all
that Texas money and Saban's no dummy. Remember he started
complaining publicly. He looked at A and M and the Longhorns.
That's Texas money. I mean, Texas is the Bentley Alabama
money is a glove compartment in a Kia you're talking
(40:41):
Texas money. Saban played Texas and went. I got no
interest going toe to toe with the Aggies and the
Longhorns bags of money. So Saban's like exit stage right.
Caitlin de Bord takes it. Everybody's like, well, he's not
as good. He doesn't have the players. When you wch
Bama played Georgia this weekend, George's got more good players.
(41:03):
If Ohio State played Bama, Ohio skits out much better players.
I think Texas has better players. So and I think
Greg Burn the ad hired the right guy. But you
know it's really unfair to say, well, I mean this guy,
this guy's an unbelievable coach.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
I just root for great coaching. That guy's a great coach.
One more Heard.
Speaker 7 (41:28):
The Herd streams twenty four hours a day, seven days
a week within the iHeartRadio app. Search Herd to listen
live or on demand whenever you like. Let's blaze it up,
Fired it Up. It's Collins Blazon, Fuck Bengals and Bills.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
I like Cincinnati getting T Higgins back plus six coming
off extra rest nineteen and nine last five years December January.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
That's Burrow.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
By the way, what's Burrow when his last eight starts
eight and oh he is back? The Bills have not
been good. McDermott's won for his one for four against
the Bengals. The offense now for Buffalo, multiple giveaways in
four straight games. They can't stop the run, and the
(42:17):
Bengals three straight games rushing for over one hundred yards.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
T Higgins is back.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Joey Bosa out for Buffalo. Joe Burrow more time to
throw upset take Cincinnati plus the six to beat Buffalo. Outright,
Joe Burrow, T Higgins, Here they go thirty twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Colt said Jaguars.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
I'll take the Jaguars at home plus one and a half.
They've won ten straight games against the Colts in Jayville.
They own him in Jacksonville, and they're on a three
game winning streak, and they have the number one rush
defense that will force four the Colts to throw. The
problem is Daniel Jones has a fibula fracture, not moving
(43:06):
particularly well, and over the last couple of games he's
completing fifty seven percent of his throws. The offense feels
a little broken since Week nine.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
These are two different teams.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Jacksonville very good, the Colts average at about twenty two
a game, one in three. Jaguars always good against the Colts.
In this spot, win it thirty to twenty four. Dolphins
and Jets. What am I doing? I'm taking the Jets
as a home dog plus two and a half. Tyrod Taylor,
(43:39):
I'm gonna go with him. Ad Mitchell, that wide receiver
that came over from the Colts. Do you see what
he did last week?
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Ah, got some good numbers, eight catches. You see that
top ten pass defense without Sauce Gardner.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
Listen, the Jets are playing their butt off.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
They've won three to five, and they're scoring points, and
they're at home and they're a dog. And did you
watch Tua over the last month. I don't know what's wrong.
First of all, he's terrible in cold weather. No touchdowns
for twoa and three of his last four games, leaves
the NFL with fourteen interceptions. Tua someton's off. It's getting cold.
The Jets are playing hard for Aaron Glenn. Not a
(44:21):
great team playing hard. I take the Jets to win
and cover twenty seven twenty four.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Take him in the point. Texans aid, Chiefs, I have
to take the hook.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
I'm taking the Texans plus the hook three and a
half four game winning streak. Five of their six road
games this season have been one score games. Number one
scoring defense held opponents in five of their last six
games under twenty points.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Hunter and Will.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
Anderson against a beat up Kansas City offensive line that
three of their five starters on the O line are injured,
including left tackle, guard, right tackle. I'm sorry, it's a
low scoring game. I've got to take the hook here.
Chiefs have been out gained in three of their last
four games.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
By the way, in twelve games.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
They have twenty two sacks Kansas City's twenty seventh, so CJ.
Stroud gonna have a little extra time. I don't know
who wins. I don't know who wins, but I'm taking
the points in the Hawk twenty four to twenty three
Kansas City in the last second field goal. I am
taking Houston though three and a half point.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
Eagles at Chargers.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
I'm gonna take the Eagles minus two and a half
is my only favorite. They're four and two on the road.
They beat Kansas City at Bucks and Green Bay on
the road. Number one red zone offense, number five offensive
line and Saquon Barkley may not be running, but Jalen Hurts,
for some reason, is often a better road quarterback. The
Chargers have faced two teams with a winning record over
(45:50):
the last ten weeks. They got hammered by both of them,
and the offensive line it's not good at all. So
Jalen Hurts last two years on the road, I'm telling
you he's better away from Philly, and I think I
think I have maybe the best O line and unquestionably
the worst O line. I think it's close. I think
(46:12):
the crowd is sixty five thirty five. Philadelphia feels a
little bit like a home game. I'm gonna swallow the
two and a half. I'm gonna take Philly twenty four
to twenty jmacho reaction.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
I don't take dogs.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
I don't like to bet games like the Jags Colts,
which I find.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Hard to watch.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
But I'm taking the underdog Bengals, I get the Jaguars.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
I'm taking the Jets.
Speaker 7 (46:38):
I know.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
I love the Jets call.
Speaker 6 (46:41):
By the way, you know what they're calling Tyrod Taylor,
ty god Taylor. He's seven to one against the spread
in his last eight starts. All he does is cover
and it is cold in New York this week. I
like that call, Buddy,
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