November 29, 2022 • 42 mins
Tuesday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Jonas, Brady and LaVar recap Jeff Saturday’s mismanagement of the clock on Monday Night Football. In a lost year, the Packers should test Jordan Love for a few games and Robert Saleh is hurting the Jets with his week-to-week approach at quarterback.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Is the best of two pros and a couple of
Joe with Lamar Areas, Rady Quinn and Jonas Knocks on radio. No,
I don't know about you, guys, but I shure I'm
glad the Colts fired their head coach and their offensive
coordinator this season because man, oh man, that would suck
if they still had struggles on offense, that would really suck.
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Did you write down way for it if you had
clock management issues? You know, if you had three times
three at the end of the game, not want to
use any of them. I mean, and watch though, all right,
who's that on? Mostly I'll put it this, that's on
a head coach, game management, clock management. I mean you,
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it's some systems. The quarterback will also be out there
as well. But you know, you've got an inexperienced play
caller who Jeff Saturday elevated after the you know, you
had Diversey fired the ROC wasn't calling plays anyways, and
then he fired Frank Raik and then it fell on
a Jeff Saturday to make a hire with someone on
the staff, right, you can't bring someone in cold. It
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doesn't even know the offense of the personnel, so it
falls on. You know, basically Jeff Saturday and the o
C that he elevated shows to be in that situation.
You want to hear Jeff Saturday's explanation for the clock
management issues or all right, So here was the colds
head coach, former ESPN employee. I thought we had plenty
of time. I wasn't really concerned we still had time out.
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I really wanted, you know, when he was going down,
I couldn't tell where they were going to start him
from going down right, like he was gonna get the
first down. I expect this to get on the ball
and have another play a little bit quicker than that.
But again, this wasn't a press for time. We just
didn't make enough plays down a touchdown. He thought, like,
what thirty seconds is a lot of time maybe with
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a running attack. By the way, like you know, they
kept showing the Peyton and him exchange though, you know,
him telling Peyton to run the ball, and Peyton tell like,
here's what's funny to me, right, Because first off, everybody
thinks I'm a Jeff Saturday fan. I'm not a Jeff
Saturday fan. I'm a fan of the fact that he's
a former player and got an opportunity to coach, and
I hope that it works so other players may get
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the same opportunity afford it to them. Let's let's make
sure we're clear on that. Then the second part of
it is you're watching it coming in and they kept
showing him and Peyton Mann and going back and forth
like it was funny, like like ha ha ha, this
is a laughable moment Peyton and Jeff Saturday. This gives
Jeff Saturday some credibility because he's going back and forth
with Peyton and then you see Tyreek jump up tell
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Peyton to get away. Dotta dot this is and another.
But if you're listening to the exchange and you're really
paying attention, it's an indictment on Jeff Saturday. It's an
indictment on Just Saturday because your quarterback is telling you, listen,
we're going to run the ball. But what did he
say to him? Q freaking block one? We're passing block
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when we're passing, Jeff, Hey, Jeff, how about you block?
So he's calling out Jeff for oh, you want to
run the ball, and and whoever the producers are, and
God bless whoever said pull that film and use that footage,
but you're basically showing Jeff Saturday having a fit in
a temper tandrum because he wants to run the ball.
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He wants us, he wants to run block and he
doesn't want to pass block. Which is interesting because then
they did make the point in which, okay, here it is.
You made the point that Jeff Saturday is going to
run the ball with Jonathan Taylor, you're going to run
the ball. Okay, they ran the ball. They ran the ball,
and they didn't throw the ball too bad. It wasn't
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too bad, but it wasn't It was not the type
of offensive scheme against a a Pittsburgh Steeler team that
does have a good defense but has been susceptible to
to offenses overwhelming them this year. I don't understand why,
and and maybe I'm off on this, but I don't
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understand why his play calling was so conservative. It was
super conservative, and I thought it was pretty interesting because now,
like you know, things were settling in, he's starting to
be a coach, and and now it's coaching against coaching,
and he's lost to in a row. I don't think
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it's super conservative, maybe because of his you know, perspective
as a player. And this is one of the reasons
why I'm not an advocate for former players coaching necessarily.
I think that's where we get things wrong because a
lot of former players don't see their blind spots and
they don't understand They're not self aware enough to understand perspective,
Like they can't see the game and its entirety. They
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only see it from their perspective as a former player
from the position which they played. So we talked about
what was the big differences When Jeff said I took
over as head coach, he gave Jonathan Taylor of the
football more. Shocking as an offensive lineman, to give your
best running back the ball more Okay, Like that's not
a drastic change or one that's mind boggling in any way.
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It's it's something that you would expect, right, Like Johnathan
is one of your best players. Probably should have been
running in more of the season. Maybe he wasn't a
percent healthy, you know, maybe earlier when Frank Reich was
the head coach, maybe he couldn't run him as much
as you wanted to because he was on a pitch count. Uh,
you know, they had bench Matt Ryan Matt Ryan comes
back in. Now Matt Ryan's not playing quite as well,
So you start looking at some of the reasons, you know,
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what led to their season to that point of Jim
Mercy firing Frank Reich. They're all rearing their ugly head
after what was a nice little two games stretch of
some tough games. Because they're a good football team as
far as their personnel, but they just haven't been able
to put everything altogether. But but I think if you
look at Jeff Saturday and why play calling looks more conservative?
What you you hired a guy who's got no experience
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calling plays. You know, you brought in a guy who,
you know then is elevating a younger kid. He's like
thirty years old, who's calling plays, and so he's as
an offensive linement outside of look at the play clock.
He's never really had to worry about clock management, not
like a quarterback has, not like a coach has. So
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I kind of look at it and think, like, I'm
all for merit, Like meritocracy in this world has just
gone out the window where we don't we usually don't
look at guys for what they do. Well, we're trying
to make a case for why they should get the
shot or while they should get a job. No, it's
it's it's like, have you proven you can do it?
Have you actually done it before? Like there is something
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too that I know this gotten away from meritocracy, but
it's what made America great is our ability to say no,
like we're just gonna pick the best guy for the job.
And maybe Jim Mercy feels like Jeff Saturday is that.
But doing this during the season, and I think this
is where I've been critical of the whole hiring. You know,
a portion of this is you brought in a guy
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with no ex sperience at the NFL level, no experience
at the college level. Yes he played, that's great, but
why not wait until the off season to do that,
you know, hire someone who's on the staff. Now, get
through this season, maybe you lose enough games, you're a
great draft position, and you go get a franchise player.
And then you go when you hire Jeff Saturday, and
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you give him that opportunity to hire the staff that
he wants, not a staff that's hanging over because of
you know what Frank Reich had, And then you give
him opportunities to go through situational awareness as a head coach,
and prepare for in games scenarios and prepare for how
different it is and the different conversations that you're having
as a head coach as opposed to what he's been
accustomed to. So I just I think we're starting to see,
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you know, unfortunately true colors jonas of where this team's apt.
You know, it's fine. I wonder how pot committed Jim
rcay is to Jeff Saturday like, and does Jim? They
said they go to and six, and if you look
at their remaining schedule, Indianapolis has got a rough go.
They they're at Dallas, at Minnesota, next the Chargers and
the Giants. I mean, probably not going to be favorite
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in any of those games. And then you finish up
with the Texans, and we all know what the Texans are.
So say your Texans might give you a late late
season win two though they could. Yeah, that's that's the
thing about a team like that, That last game might
be important enough for them to play hard. So let's
say they're two and six after eight games, with all
the blowback and all the celebration that Jim er Say
got after they beat the Raiders, in his first game.
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Does he just out of spite wanting to prove that
his method had some success at some level? Do you
think Jimmer say just rolls with Jeff Saturday may use
queues reasoning and say we couldn't make it through the season,
but now we have to go through the process of
allowing him to do all those things that you just said.
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I mean that that would be the justification of bringing
him back if that were. If that were he did
then just utilize the loophole in the rooting role. Yes,
he did that because you one didn't open yourself up
to listen to other people who maybe, by the way,
a former player and much more qualified. Indeed, because how
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many of those guys we got right now in the league, LaVar,
Not many. I mean there's a lot of guys coaches. Yeah, absolutely,
coordinators too. There's coordinators who have played and who could
be good head coaches team. So I I just that's
what ticks me off, is he wanted and really this
is just about him stirting the issue to put in
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one of his buddies to go coach, and that ticks
me off. I just don't see that. But if that
became a trend, that would be a wild ass trend.
If just to beat the loophole, the roomy rule, you're
gonna get rid of your coach mid season. I would
hope this is not a trend. Well, they've already tried
to Uh is it the nfl p A that looked
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into it and is trying to find a way to
correct that. They've They've already sent in a request in
the NFL. I think it might be in the nfl
P I might have that wrong, honestly, Like, let's be
o here, how do you correct that? If you if you,
if you fired the guy, and you don't have time,
like you don't have time to go through no crazy
ass process to hire coach. You gotta get a coach
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in there right now. Like, Hey, Steve Wilkes, I mean
give the guy credit for the bag of crap he
got in Arizona his first year and then having to
take over this Carolina team where they got three wins
since he's taken over in the same quarterback carousel, the
crap by the way, he just started another quarterback Startled's healthy,
but they speak the crap out of the Broncos. So
I mean, you know, good for Steve Wilkes. But I
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just he saying, let's ride now. But I'm just saying,
how do you go through if if you feel like
you want that to be your coach and it's because
of the way they came through the rest of the season,
how I mean, how do you navigate saying that you well,
you have to go through the entire process all over again.
Like you can do that. You can do that. But
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that's literally just like right now and listen, I'm just
gonna shoot from from the hip. It's a formality, just
like when you're doing it in in regular time. It's
a formality. You already have an idea of who your
prospects are that you want to hire. Now, it would
be nice if meritocracy played a part in it, and
when you sat down and you talked about things and
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you discuss things in the way they said that Mike
Tomlin was able to get the job in Pittsburgh, that
that's how it would happen. But it is called the
Rooney rule, So how fitting that it happened in Pittsburgh.
But that's just not going Hey, listen, and for what
it's worth, that's not gonna be what it's gonna be.
For a white dude, uh, black dude, a Mexican dude, Hispanic, Asian,
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you name it. It's not gonna be that for them.
Because these these owners and whoever these gms or whoever
it is that are in the hiring process have their
idea of who they want to hire based upon reference referral,
and and here we go, here we go to them. Merit.
The merit to them is why they want to hire
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these guys in particular. So it's kind of almost like
a joke to me when people get so thrown into
there has to be the process, the Rooney rule has
to be there. Like it is a loophole, but be clear,
it's not that big of a loophole. Here's here's why
I don't like it. Though. If you're in any other
enterprise and either you're you know that you have certain
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regulations you have to abide by, etcetera. Right, um, you
know one, you're subject to that, You're subject to scrutiny
from that. But also like, if you make enough wrong
hires your business, your operations will not work right Like,
you will not work, you will lose your company. You
will lose your company. You'll either go out of business,
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or there'll be some sort of hostile takeover with a
board and then they'll move on from you. It will
not happen. In the NFL. You can be the worst
owner in the league. And I don't ask you guys
like who, who do you guys think of the worst
owner of the league. I say, it's a little little
bit Danny. I mean, did you see the Sean Taylor statue.
I mean that's what they called it, Like a mannequin
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with missing cards, just ghost, a wire mannequin for sant Like,
you've leveraged Sean since he's passed away. You've leveraged him
for good will every single year, and now you try
to leverage him again with a wire. So let's take
a little Danny boy. Yeah, so as bad as he's
been as an owner, he's still the team and he's
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gonna sell it for billions only because of how awful
he had actually run his organization for what over two decades,
But like he had, he's forced to buy other owners.
It's such a unique, rare scenario we almost nearly we
never see it, and and they don't even want to
force him to They don't want about that. But my
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point is this is. They could be an awful owner,
they could be awful at hiring coaches, hiring general managers,
running the actual organization. They'll still make money because that's
how the NFL works. How many million watched Dallas, New York?
I mean, you can't make this stuff up. How many
businesses outside of football where you know everybody it's everybody's business,
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you know what I mean, likes everybody like everybody knows
you know what I mean, like the idea, right that,
that's what they get. They do get that opportunity where
they could stink and still make money off of it.
So that but that's where I think it's different from
the hiring process because you're right, like, if you have
a private owner of any bides still tell you why
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the hell am I going to listen to some someone
else tell me who I think I should hire, Like,
I'm not going to do that, And so I get
that perspective. But there still as a perspective that owner
makes enough bad hires and this company continues to go downhill,
he'll be out of business. And that's how it works.
But you know, these owners aren't subject to that because
of how good the NFL isn't making money. Yeah, it's
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they created. It's two pros and their granddad's he inherited it.
They inherited it. Yeah, yeah, it's two Pros and a
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so Aaron Rodgers has got Does he have a punctured
lung or does he not have a punctured long? Like,
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what's what's the answer here? What are the results? Like?
What's going on here? I mean like I would say
he has a punctured lung even if he doesn't have
a punctured lung, just because you don't want to plan
him again, Yeah, let's shut him down. The funny thing
about that is, um, you know, when you like tweak
a hamstring, like, Oh, it's different grades of of a
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hamstring tear right, Like you either have your lung puncture
or not. Right, Like, it's like you either pop the
balloon or he didn't. I feel like it's kind of
it's kind of pretty cut and dry. But I guess
they did some tests. They said it wasn't he wanted
to do further tests forever reason, I don't. I don't know, um.
I mean, if you're the team in this case, I mean,
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I'm not sure why. And they do have a great
medical staff up there in Green Bay, believe it or not,
But why wouldn't you have his best interest in mind?
You other guy a hundred and fifty million dollars if
he had some sort of debilitating injury, you know, would
force him not to ever play again, or there's a
medical malpractice or misdiagnosis. I mean, could you imagine how
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much you're on the hook for You just signed them
to a hundred and fifty million dollar, fully guaranteed deal.
So UM, I would think that that that they're trying
to give them the best medical advice they can. That's
just my opinion. Back and said to be punctured, Let
it be punctured. Yeah, yeah, give him time to hell.
Just roll with that. Yeah, because at the end of
the day, you'll do you'll do another analysis of it,
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you'll do more testing of it, and I say, you
revisit testing it and like three to four weeks, four
or five weeks, you know, six weeks. In six weeks,
what do you know? You know you're talking Valentine's Day.
I think we're ready for the next time. Alright, what
do you know? Seasons all say, hey, you know, that's
how it happens. Sometimes you gotta heal up. Though you
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got a great bill of health. You're good now. Matt
Lafloor says that he is going to be the starter
if he's healthy this weekend. So there's that from Matt Laflour.
What do you guys want to see? Because for entertainment purposes,
I'm a lot more interested in seeing Jordan's love play
at this point than this season that I am. Aaron Rodgers.
Roll out Jordan's Love. Let's see what we got. We've
got five six games off, whatever it is, roll them out,
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that's who we got. Turn that into a punctured lung.
I'm with LaVar, were just round up a little bit.
We do it. Sometimes it's okay, unt a Rot, you
have done so many amazing things. I would use his
his speech coming into training camp the year before to
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to drive home the point that listen, people come here
because of you. This team is what it is because
of you. Everything about green Bay is because about it's
it's you, and you're deserving of a break like you're
green Bay. You're gonna always be green Bay. Go go
take a break like we we get it and and
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and come back with a burr for next year. Come back,
come back with a burr in your your tail to
play well next year. Now, whether you have any intentions
of bringing him back or not, or trying to get
from underneath the contract or whatever it is, you're going
to try to figure it out. You you cross that
bridge when you get there. But as of for now,
gass him up. All he wants is a little bit
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of assurance and you know, reinforcement that he's Aaron Rodgers.
Give him that, and and let him get healthy and
and let him have some time away. Now he can.
Now you can do it, and people aren't going to
be up in arms about you doing it. I don't
see why they don't try to make this work on
both sides. I don't see why Aaron Rodgers wouldn't be
a party to it, Like I'm gonna go take this time.
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I'm Aaron Rodgers. I mean, maybe it's because Rogers feels like, well,
I've got the Bears this week, and you know, and
I owned them. Yeah, so why not let's just give
it one more spin and then uh and then after
that maybe we'll shut it down. But it just I
I just want to see Jordan's Love with a few games,
because look, he showed some stuff on Sunday night to
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where you thought, all right, well there's some mobility that
maybe Rogers doesn't have at this point in his career.
With Jordan's Love, he was making some plays all of
a sudden. Christian Wattson has turned into a legitimate touchdown
threat every time he gets the ball in his hand.
Seemingly when he does catch it, it just feels like, why, like,
let's just you know, I mean, we we've known what
the what the Packer season was going to be for
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several weeks once he was dealing with the broken thumb,
and then you saw them lose all those games in
a row. It was like, well, now that they can
still go on a run and still go on to run,
and then you look at their schedule the rest of
the way and you go, now, man, it's over. They
know it's over. Matt Laflor knows it's over. Packers fans
know it's over. It's a lost season. So if it's
a lost season, let's try and gain something from it.
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And let's see we got in Jordan's love, create some
trade value or a pathway forward. It's a win win situation.
The only way you lose is if if Jordan's Love
is a complete bust and and and how he plays,
and that didn't look like that was going to be
the case. I mean, he should be at least formidable,
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and we're going to find out if he's formidable, because
I would assume he's going to play this week. I
would assume that that Aaron Rodgers with the thumb and
the rib situation may not be ago this week. I
would assume that I don't know what I'm basing that
off of, other than if I'm in pain, Why am
I going to push through these pains, this pain with
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this this season? Why am I going to do that?
That's how I would be looking at it if I'm
Aaron Rodgers. Where I'm at right now? My vantage point?
Why am I going out here? Where are they playing?
It doesn't even matter where they're playing. It's going to
be cold. It's going to be cold as hell. Whoa, whoa,
you're talking to a bearrass fan, alright, in one. It
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matters where they play. Doesn't show us. I said, it's
gonna be cold as hell no matter where they play
at this time of the year, it's going to be
cold as hell in Chicago. What's the It might even
be raining. And if it's raining, then his cartilage is
gonna hurt you as lng is gonna hurt even more.
His thumb is gonna hurt even more. Now we're looking
at thirty nine degree temperatures right now, and that's cold.
But that ain't horribly that's not horribly bad. As long
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as it's dry, that's not bad. I don't I just
I don't know you have the problem. In Chicago, there
was say if you don't like the weather, wait a minute,
because you know you're on the lake front there. All
of a sudden, the wind starts to pick up. Maybe
it gets a little bit of a little bit of
moisture in the air. Who knows rain and snow possibility?
I mean, come on like this? Uh, I just I
just want to see because there was you guys have
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mentioned this. I think it was Brady yesterday who had
mentioned that the guys have probably seen Mike White on
the practice squad and and have gone against him and said, Hey,
this guy's got the goods. Why don't we go with him?
And there were some Packer players who are being interviewed
a few weeks ago, and they all are speaking highly
of Jordan's love. We see him in practice. He's a
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starting quarterback in this league. He's got the goods. I
just I wonder what percentage of Packer fans would also
at this point like to see at least what they got,
because if he goes out and he plays well, I
don't think Rogers walks away this year. I think he's
probably back with the Packers. But at least Green Bay knows. Okay,
that is the future, and that's who we can roll with.
Can actively move off of the information. If you don't
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have the information, then how do you how do you
approach actively? What are we keeping? Are we trying to
make sure Aaron Rodgers comes back. Are we trying to
move him? You can come up with a plan, a
strategy if you know what you have in your draft
pick that you brought in to replace him in the
first place. Do you think Rogers plays beyond next year?
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Brady Um, I hope he does. Look. I think he's
in an incredible talent at the position, So I hope
he does. Even if it's not Green Bay, even if
they work it out, where he goes somewhere else. I mean,
it would be interesting if his entire master plan was
to get the contract that he wanted too then move on.
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Is somewhere else where he wanted to finish his career,
if he didn't want to fish, that would brilliant. Yeah.
Maybe that's what the Ayahuasca bron I don't know, but
it is just interesting now when you look at a
couple of places. You have San Francisco, who was rumored
to have been trading for him, and that's where some
of the frustration began. Um because the Packers didn't go
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through with the deal. You wonder if if that truly
was where he wanted to go, or a destination he
wanted to go to and who wouldn't. By the way,
um that's the hottest team in the NFL right now,
probably next to the Eagles. And I think you'd have
to look at that and say if if Jimmy garobb
was a free agent, and I know they invested a
lot in Trey Lance, but that's still a wild card
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out there, and who knows if he'll ever become the
guy they thought, you know, they drafted him to be.
But if you could have a shot at Aaron Rodgers,
as much as that organization has gone through their ups
and downs, if Jimmy Garoppolo wasn't gonna stay or they
wanted to move on from him, yeah, that might be
a movie you go after. You know, I think you
have to. And Rogers would would would be really good
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in that system. But um, I just I don't know.
I mean, like I said, I think it's it's it
would be tough to think of a league without Tom Brady,
and eventually that day is gonna come. It's tough to
think of a league without Aaron Rodgers, and that's eventually
gonna come. So whether it's a Packers or someone else,
like I would love for him to be back next year, um,
hopefully things, you know, get off to a better start
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than what we saw this year. By the way, is
it mirror the older quarterbacks in the league looking old
this year? Like Brady at times? Brian looks old. I
mean Matt Ryan last night looks old. I mean everyone
is different, you know, like you go out to like LaVar,
I mean, come on, you go to like a high
school reunion or called you know, you go back to
ja Penn State and you see people you go, oh hey, okay,
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all right, and you see other people you go, oh
my god, what the hell happened? It's like, do you
think that's it? Yeah? I think genetics? Man stop sometimes
road shopper. He's always telling me that I was young.
He goes, say, chops, I got a secret for you.
So what's that? He goes, I want to be able
to look into the future. I go, yeah, I'm thinking myself,
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like what is he about? Ready to tell me right now?
Like what did he do for num? Then he goes,
if you really like a girl, he goes, if you
really want to look in the few, sure, just meet
her mom, ask her for picture. That's that's our regional values.
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get your podcasts. So, speaking of sticking the landing of
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the New York Chats, all right, the New York Chats
have themselves a starting quarterback and Mike White, well for
this week anyways. Now, Robert Salo, the head coach, spoke
with the media yesterday and he updated the media on
the situation at quarterback and the determination as to who's
going to start from week to week. He talked about
Mike White. He also mentioned Zack Wilson, who was inactive
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for last week's game. Here was the jet said, coach,
we're gonna go week to week. There's things that we'd
love to see Zach accomplish over the course of uh
we'll call it a reset. And this is Mike White's opportunity.
That doesn't change. So Mike's got an opportunity to go
stack another great day up this week, and when we
feel like Zach is ready to roll, he's gonna roll
the full intense to get Zach ready to play football again.
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I'll make that decision when I'm ready. And while we're
going through this process, it's Mike White's opportunity to to
take advantage of every last play that he gets. We'll
figure it out as as we go. Yeah, I don't
get it. That's what a ringing endorsement from from Robert Salom.
I wonder if Mike White's gonna keep those receipts right, Like, hey, coach, thanks,
thanks for the opportunity. I guess you're just waiting for
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me to fail. Let's have one bad game. See you
put your boys back back in. What an awful message.
Waiting for Zack in street clothes to mature enough or
in practices to mature enough weeks time is enough. Yeah,
that's going to be enough for the mature. Yeah, it's
like dog years. You know, three weeks in the NFL,
that's like seven years in real life. It's week thirteen.
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What do you mean waiting for zacting already year two? Yeah, Like,
I don't understand. What do you have twenty starts? I
mean I just I don't understand what the waiting is for?
Waiting for what? Like I mean, so say he comes
back and he's shown something and it's week sixteen, all
of a sudden, in a fight for the playoffs, you're
gonna put him back in likening him if that, if
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this is indeed, at face value, the truth of the matter,
he's sonning Zack Wilson like, like your I'm your dad,
You're my child. I'm going to take this away from
you because you're great, weren't good, And I'm going to
to make you see the value of exactly what it
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is that I want from you before. I'll give you
back the things that you have. Before, I give you
your video game back, I give you your cell phone back,
I give you the car back. You're going to do
it and you're going to see it exactly the way
I want you to do this is this is classic
sonning if if he is indeed telling the truth, if
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he's tongue in cheek and he's telling you that, listen,
we got a good thing with Mike White going right now,
and you're probably it Mike continues to play, well, you're
probably not going to get another opportunity to play this year,
and we will revisit what the situation is in the
off season. That would, to me is more of a
feasible and more plausible explanation for what's taken place. I
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think Robert Sali has done an excellent job as a
coach in terms of how he's handled his team and
how he's handled this season. I think this is a misstep.
I really do. I think this is a misstep. And
how he's how he's talking about it, like give it,
give it in a way where you don't have to
give us everything, but you are in New York City,
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so just give us the realness of it and be
done with it. And if that's what he just did,
then he's sunning him. He's he's trying to coach him
and teach him through father's son relationship type of patterns.
You're not gonna hear the New York you know, media
be critical of this, Like the best performance by any
quarterback this past week was Mike White. The best performance
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probably of a Jets quarterback since Mike White um at
least the recent history. And yet that's his response, like
the way he either doesn't have a feel for how
his team feels or he realizes at this point because
because here's what I said two weeks ago, this was
a mistake. He never should have done this in the
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first place, by benching Zack Wilson. And the reason why
I said that is because now you find yourself in
a scenario where Mike White looks that much better. Granted
and jonas you point us out, you know, banged up
Chicago Bears, secondary, I get that, but he's still out
there in an NFL game, making the throws, making the plays.
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It looked that much better. And if he looks that
much better this week, Robert Salo put himself in the
position where like, what's your excuse to take him out?
Like you've literally left the guy in there who's been
shopping at the bit for his opportunity. He's now seizing
that opportunity. It's a great story. Hopefully it continues to
be a great story for Jets fans so they can
win and maybe go to the playoffs. But you literally,
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now are what gonna You're gonna just yank him out
at some point because of a bad half, a bad quarter,
a bad decision. I mean, and it never made sense
if this is the narrative of how you're gonna spend
things after Mike White played as good at football as
a quarterback's played since you've been ahead, it's with the Jets.
You should have left Zack Wilson in there, and you
should have given a vote of confidence. Said, Look, he
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apologized to the team, he talked to a bunch of
the leaders, met with him separately, took him out the dinner,
had long talks with him, and we're gonna keep supporting
Zac until he grows. And you never would have put
your team in this position. But because of how he reacted,
benching Zach demoting him now he's not even active on
game day, and then putting him in a position where
he's just running scout team. Do you think a week
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is enough time? Like to your point, let bar it
literally feels like a scolding, like, Hey, you said something
dumb after a game where you played poorly, not taking accountability. Son,
I'm gonna scold you, and I'm going to ground you
from being the Jets quarterback for a week or two.
We'll just see how things play out. Like I'm going
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through this with my kids right now, trying to understand
and teach them, you know, lessons and and and those
that that sort of thing. But really, like this was
a mistake in the first place. If this is how
Robert Salo is gonna handle this, he needs to to say, hey,
I'm behind my quarterback and that's Mike White right now,
and until it's not, you know, so be it. But
like the conversations about Zack Wilson should be like irrelevant.
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I know he feels the need to answer them, but
what's the point. He's not even active, he's not even
a thought of playing right now until he is. But this,
this entire thing has been fumbled by Robert Salo, I
think because he felt the need to be so outward
with how they're managing things and how everyone else is
doing and all of that. And by the way, Robert
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Salo has managed everything since He's been there as a
head coach about as good as you possibly could until
this moment. Uh, has Zach Wilson had a game anywhere
close to what Mike White just put together on Sunday
anywhere close since ever thrown for three touchdowns in his
entire career so far as a Jet, say no, and
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was against a depleted Bear Steve, give it a little
at a breathing room. See, this is what I wonder
it wasn't. It wasn't against Uh, it wasn't against the
best defense in the league. Yeah, But what's what's the
make you think that Zach Wilson, based on how he played,
would have done that. I don't know. I don't know.
I just would try to have some type of hope
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because if I'm the New York media and I enjoy
um sticking up for him and pulling for him to
to work, I would offer up the idea of it
was the Chicago Bears, like I need to see it
against the better teams. I'll put it this way. He's
had more games with three or more interceptions then he's
had with three or more touchdowns. Wow, well there you go.
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I got a conspiracy, all right? Gets ready? For this
hit it burt all right, here's a conspiracy, all right,
So Robert Stack is joining us here in a trench.
Foil hats are out real rebel. This Robert Stack no
mask out here in California. I think the Jets are
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planning to move Zach Wilson this offseason via trade, and
this is an elaborate way to try and keep him healthy,
make sure he doesn't get hurt. He's been susceptible to
injuries over the past couple of years. We've seen it
already and this whole we need to get him ready
to play football again. I think they've realized if we
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keep them out there playing, it's gonna hurt our trade
value anyways. So why don't we at least keep them
healthy and let's go ahead and move on this offseason.
Zach Wilson is not playing another snap for the Jets.
I think he's gone this offseason being a trade. What
do you make of that? Come on, co sign on that.
Put that in your co signed pipe and smoke it.
Come on now you want good? Do you co signe
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or not? You? Oh? You guys are asking me, I
don't some of them? Why not? Well? Okay, for starters.
Let's just look at the top of the draft. So
Houston's drafting number one overall. Do you think at being
that they have the number one overall pick, they're not
gonna take a Bryce Young will Levis whoever else they put.
By the way, Anthony Richardson, I feel like for people
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who probably don't watch college football, he's the quarterback at
Florida and he may very well come back. I don't
know what his what decision will make, but um, the
box score didn't look great. But if you watched him
play against Florida State this past week, I mean it
is ridiculous watching him like he is such a rare,
rare talent. I would if he came out this year,
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and I think he should, by the way, because I
think the draft competition for is over. Caleb Williams will
be the number one overall pick. Like you might get
some teams who are positioning themselves and and this is
more of a conspiracy theory, but I think it's more
legit literally two tank in just to be able to
get Caleb Williams in. But but I digress. Um Richardson
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could be a guy. It's taken in the top ten
times a dude. He's a big dude, but he's an
unbelieved of a bowl athlete. Like the way he runs
is ridiculous, and and he's actually like, you know, I know,
he's still you know, developing as far as a quarterback
processing everything, But dude, he can sling it like he's
got some really good fundamentals. When he gets a clean
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pocket and when he when he knows where he's going
with the football or you know it's just maybe a
two read progression, he can get it out there and
her he's gotta rocket for an arm. But my point
is this, I just name three quarterbacks. You've got Houston
at number one, Chicago to they're not taking a quarterback.
They got justin fields. You've got Detroit now I believe
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who's got the Rams pick drafting three overall, maybe they
take one. You've got then Seattle at four. From Denver,
maybe they take one, I don't know, Caroline at five.
So you kind of started looking through the top five
right there. I think you can make the case three
of those teams might be looking for a quarterback. And
by the way, there's plenty of others that are gonna
be talked about as part of being a first round pick.
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Um C. J. Stroud's another name I didn't mention, but
he'll be a part of that conversation. My point is this,
You've got four guys all that I think are gonna
have higher draft grades than Wilson, and you've got, you know,
multiple teams that could pick any one of those four
instead of wasting trade compensation on Zack Wilson, I just
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what are you giving up to get Zack Wilson at
this point? So he's just inactive until what Joe Flacco
doesn't look good on the scout team and then we
realize I don't want I don't think he's gonna be
an act of the rest of the the season, many more games,
six seven, you know, I bet he comes in and
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place in the next couple of I mean, that's gonna be.
That's gonna be dictated off of the way Mike White plays.
That My caveat would be if Mike White falls on
his face. But why was there expecting him to? That's
what bothers me the most about Robert Salis saying that,
is like, look, I get it. They see these guys
every day in practice. They've Mike White for a while
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now he's been there, and Zack Wilson has been there,
so they're probably watching their heads thinking eventually the true
colors are gonna show and we're gonna put Zack back
in there and he can maybe be the hero and
how savor season Like that has to be the narrative
behind what a support system. But he just said it
like like after what Mike White just did, how could you,
as a head coach, before you coach right now, if
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you had a quarterback that came in and played that
well after your starter had been playing so poorly this
year and you've wanted to spite him. I'm not going
back to him unless I have to, unless I have
no other recourse. Like I'm looking at that, I'm looking
at the prior starter as you weren't the solution to
us winning and being a better team. I don't see
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that changing. So if I were to go back to
that that player. As a coach, if I go back
to him, is because I have no other recourse. That's like,
as a coach, that's how I would feel if you're
my starter and I've started you and you've earned that
right to be the guy that goes out there first
and that's what's established. If I have to pull you
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out mid season and I'm not even dressing you, like
we have three quarterbacks and you were my starter, and
I'm not even dressing you for the game, or say
high school, we dress everybody, so you are dressed, but
you you don't go in at all. That's because I
don't trust you. That's because I don't believe that we
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can win with you. I just don't know how you
how do you recover from that? Like they can show
if it is something correctable, like the way he's doing,
something like his reads, or something that we can say
we can look at on film and say this is
a correctable deal, then sure, I guess you give yourself
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that you know that that opportunity to to see the growth,
that's what being a coach represents. But I also at
the same time, you don't make a decision that big
as a coach unless you've lost the trust in that player.
And we all know if you don't have trust as
a coach, then you can't use that person that you
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don't trust because you're ultimately always going to be looking
at them waiting for them to do exactly what it
is that you expected them to do, and then now
that plays on you as a coach. I let everybody
else down in Minnesota's got the worst past defense in
the league. That's who the Jets have this week. I mean,
if he goes out and plays, you know, close to
where he played last Sunday. I just so, what is
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this like a slow climb? By what week fifteen or sixteen,
Zach Wilson will move up to second on the depth
chart and then you know, in case of injury, we
could bring him in. It. Just the whole thing is odd, man.
I I don't, I don't, But you can't be critical.
You're not allowed to be critical because if you are,
then the doormat Jets fans come after you because you're
a quote unquote hater. You know, God forbid you disagree
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(00:27):
Did you write down way for it if you had
clock management issues? You know, if you had three times
three at the end of the game, not want to
use any of them. I mean, and watch though, all right,
who's that on? Mostly I'll put it this, that's on
a head coach, game management, clock management. I mean you,
(00:49):
it's some systems. The quarterback will also be out there
as well. But you know, you've got an inexperienced play
caller who Jeff Saturday elevated after the you know, you
had Diversey fired the ROC wasn't calling plays anyways, and
then he fired Frank Raik and then it fell on
a Jeff Saturday to make a hire with someone on
the staff, right, you can't bring someone in cold. It
(01:10):
doesn't even know the offense of the personnel, so it
falls on. You know, basically Jeff Saturday and the o
C that he elevated shows to be in that situation.
You want to hear Jeff Saturday's explanation for the clock
management issues or all right, So here was the colds
head coach, former ESPN employee. I thought we had plenty
of time. I wasn't really concerned we still had time out.
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I really wanted, you know, when he was going down,
I couldn't tell where they were going to start him
from going down right, like he was gonna get the
first down. I expect this to get on the ball
and have another play a little bit quicker than that.
But again, this wasn't a press for time. We just
didn't make enough plays down a touchdown. He thought, like,
what thirty seconds is a lot of time maybe with
(01:54):
a running attack. By the way, like you know, they
kept showing the Peyton and him exchange though, you know,
him telling Peyton to run the ball, and Peyton tell like,
here's what's funny to me, right, Because first off, everybody
thinks I'm a Jeff Saturday fan. I'm not a Jeff
Saturday fan. I'm a fan of the fact that he's
a former player and got an opportunity to coach, and
I hope that it works so other players may get
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the same opportunity afford it to them. Let's let's make
sure we're clear on that. Then the second part of
it is you're watching it coming in and they kept
showing him and Peyton Mann and going back and forth
like it was funny, like like ha ha ha, this
is a laughable moment Peyton and Jeff Saturday. This gives
Jeff Saturday some credibility because he's going back and forth
with Peyton and then you see Tyreek jump up tell
(02:38):
Peyton to get away. Dotta dot this is and another.
But if you're listening to the exchange and you're really
paying attention, it's an indictment on Jeff Saturday. It's an
indictment on Just Saturday because your quarterback is telling you, listen,
we're going to run the ball. But what did he
say to him? Q freaking block one? We're passing block
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when we're passing, Jeff, Hey, Jeff, how about you block?
So he's calling out Jeff for oh, you want to
run the ball, and and whoever the producers are, and
God bless whoever said pull that film and use that footage,
but you're basically showing Jeff Saturday having a fit in
a temper tandrum because he wants to run the ball.
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He wants us, he wants to run block and he
doesn't want to pass block. Which is interesting because then
they did make the point in which, okay, here it is.
You made the point that Jeff Saturday is going to
run the ball with Jonathan Taylor, you're going to run
the ball. Okay, they ran the ball. They ran the ball,
and they didn't throw the ball too bad. It wasn't
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too bad, but it wasn't It was not the type
of offensive scheme against a a Pittsburgh Steeler team that
does have a good defense but has been susceptible to
to offenses overwhelming them this year. I don't understand why,
and and maybe I'm off on this, but I don't
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understand why his play calling was so conservative. It was
super conservative, and I thought it was pretty interesting because now,
like you know, things were settling in, he's starting to
be a coach, and and now it's coaching against coaching,
and he's lost to in a row. I don't think
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it's super conservative, maybe because of his you know, perspective
as a player. And this is one of the reasons
why I'm not an advocate for former players coaching necessarily.
I think that's where we get things wrong because a
lot of former players don't see their blind spots and
they don't understand They're not self aware enough to understand perspective,
Like they can't see the game and its entirety. They
(04:52):
only see it from their perspective as a former player
from the position which they played. So we talked about
what was the big differences When Jeff said I took
over as head coach, he gave Jonathan Taylor of the
football more. Shocking as an offensive lineman, to give your
best running back the ball more Okay, Like that's not
a drastic change or one that's mind boggling in any way.
(05:12):
It's it's something that you would expect, right, Like Johnathan
is one of your best players. Probably should have been
running in more of the season. Maybe he wasn't a
percent healthy, you know, maybe earlier when Frank Reich was
the head coach, maybe he couldn't run him as much
as you wanted to because he was on a pitch count. Uh,
you know, they had bench Matt Ryan Matt Ryan comes
back in. Now Matt Ryan's not playing quite as well,
So you start looking at some of the reasons, you know,
(05:34):
what led to their season to that point of Jim
Mercy firing Frank Reich. They're all rearing their ugly head
after what was a nice little two games stretch of
some tough games. Because they're a good football team as
far as their personnel, but they just haven't been able
to put everything altogether. But but I think if you
look at Jeff Saturday and why play calling looks more conservative?
What you you hired a guy who's got no experience
(05:56):
calling plays. You know, you brought in a guy who,
you know then is elevating a younger kid. He's like
thirty years old, who's calling plays, and so he's as
an offensive linement outside of look at the play clock.
He's never really had to worry about clock management, not
like a quarterback has, not like a coach has. So
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I kind of look at it and think, like, I'm
all for merit, Like meritocracy in this world has just
gone out the window where we don't we usually don't
look at guys for what they do. Well, we're trying
to make a case for why they should get the
shot or while they should get a job. No, it's
it's it's like, have you proven you can do it?
Have you actually done it before? Like there is something
(06:37):
too that I know this gotten away from meritocracy, but
it's what made America great is our ability to say no,
like we're just gonna pick the best guy for the job.
And maybe Jim Mercy feels like Jeff Saturday is that.
But doing this during the season, and I think this
is where I've been critical of the whole hiring. You know,
a portion of this is you brought in a guy
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with no ex sperience at the NFL level, no experience
at the college level. Yes he played, that's great, but
why not wait until the off season to do that,
you know, hire someone who's on the staff. Now, get
through this season, maybe you lose enough games, you're a
great draft position, and you go get a franchise player.
And then you go when you hire Jeff Saturday, and
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you give him that opportunity to hire the staff that
he wants, not a staff that's hanging over because of
you know what Frank Reich had, And then you give
him opportunities to go through situational awareness as a head coach,
and prepare for in games scenarios and prepare for how
different it is and the different conversations that you're having
as a head coach as opposed to what he's been
accustomed to. So I just I think we're starting to see,
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you know, unfortunately true colors jonas of where this team's apt.
You know, it's fine. I wonder how pot committed Jim
rcay is to Jeff Saturday like, and does Jim? They
said they go to and six, and if you look
at their remaining schedule, Indianapolis has got a rough go.
They they're at Dallas, at Minnesota, next the Chargers and
the Giants. I mean, probably not going to be favorite
(08:04):
in any of those games. And then you finish up
with the Texans, and we all know what the Texans are.
So say your Texans might give you a late late
season win two though they could. Yeah, that's that's the
thing about a team like that, That last game might
be important enough for them to play hard. So let's
say they're two and six after eight games, with all
the blowback and all the celebration that Jim er Say
got after they beat the Raiders, in his first game.
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Does he just out of spite wanting to prove that
his method had some success at some level? Do you
think Jimmer say just rolls with Jeff Saturday may use
queues reasoning and say we couldn't make it through the season,
but now we have to go through the process of
allowing him to do all those things that you just said.
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I mean that that would be the justification of bringing
him back if that were. If that were he did
then just utilize the loophole in the rooting role. Yes,
he did that because you one didn't open yourself up
to listen to other people who maybe, by the way,
a former player and much more qualified. Indeed, because how
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many of those guys we got right now in the league, LaVar,
Not many. I mean there's a lot of guys coaches. Yeah, absolutely,
coordinators too. There's coordinators who have played and who could
be good head coaches team. So I I just that's
what ticks me off, is he wanted and really this
is just about him stirting the issue to put in
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one of his buddies to go coach, and that ticks
me off. I just don't see that. But if that
became a trend, that would be a wild ass trend.
If just to beat the loophole, the roomy rule, you're
gonna get rid of your coach mid season. I would
hope this is not a trend. Well, they've already tried
to Uh is it the nfl p A that looked
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into it and is trying to find a way to
correct that. They've They've already sent in a request in
the NFL. I think it might be in the nfl
P I might have that wrong, honestly, Like, let's be
o here, how do you correct that? If you if you,
if you fired the guy, and you don't have time,
like you don't have time to go through no crazy
ass process to hire coach. You gotta get a coach
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in there right now. Like, Hey, Steve Wilkes, I mean
give the guy credit for the bag of crap he
got in Arizona his first year and then having to
take over this Carolina team where they got three wins
since he's taken over in the same quarterback carousel, the
crap by the way, he just started another quarterback Startled's healthy,
but they speak the crap out of the Broncos. So
I mean, you know, good for Steve Wilkes. But I
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just he saying, let's ride now. But I'm just saying,
how do you go through if if you feel like
you want that to be your coach and it's because
of the way they came through the rest of the season,
how I mean, how do you navigate saying that you well,
you have to go through the entire process all over again.
Like you can do that. You can do that. But
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that's literally just like right now and listen, I'm just
gonna shoot from from the hip. It's a formality, just
like when you're doing it in in regular time. It's
a formality. You already have an idea of who your
prospects are that you want to hire. Now, it would
be nice if meritocracy played a part in it, and
when you sat down and you talked about things and
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you discuss things in the way they said that Mike
Tomlin was able to get the job in Pittsburgh, that
that's how it would happen. But it is called the
Rooney rule, So how fitting that it happened in Pittsburgh.
But that's just not going Hey, listen, and for what
it's worth, that's not gonna be what it's gonna be.
For a white dude, uh, black dude, a Mexican dude, Hispanic, Asian,
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you name it. It's not gonna be that for them.
Because these these owners and whoever these gms or whoever
it is that are in the hiring process have their
idea of who they want to hire based upon reference referral,
and and here we go, here we go to them. Merit.
The merit to them is why they want to hire
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these guys in particular. So it's kind of almost like
a joke to me when people get so thrown into
there has to be the process, the Rooney rule has
to be there. Like it is a loophole, but be clear,
it's not that big of a loophole. Here's here's why
I don't like it. Though. If you're in any other
enterprise and either you're you know that you have certain
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regulations you have to abide by, etcetera. Right, um, you
know one, you're subject to that, You're subject to scrutiny
from that. But also like, if you make enough wrong
hires your business, your operations will not work right Like,
you will not work, you will lose your company. You
will lose your company. You'll either go out of business,
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or there'll be some sort of hostile takeover with a
board and then they'll move on from you. It will
not happen. In the NFL. You can be the worst
owner in the league. And I don't ask you guys
like who, who do you guys think of the worst
owner of the league. I say, it's a little little
bit Danny. I mean, did you see the Sean Taylor statue.
I mean that's what they called it, Like a mannequin
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with missing cards, just ghost, a wire mannequin for sant Like,
you've leveraged Sean since he's passed away. You've leveraged him
for good will every single year, and now you try
to leverage him again with a wire. So let's take
a little Danny boy. Yeah, so as bad as he's
been as an owner, he's still the team and he's
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gonna sell it for billions only because of how awful
he had actually run his organization for what over two decades,
But like he had, he's forced to buy other owners.
It's such a unique, rare scenario we almost nearly we
never see it, and and they don't even want to
force him to They don't want about that. But my
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point is this is. They could be an awful owner,
they could be awful at hiring coaches, hiring general managers,
running the actual organization. They'll still make money because that's
how the NFL works. How many million watched Dallas, New York?
I mean, you can't make this stuff up. How many
businesses outside of football where you know everybody it's everybody's business,
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you know what I mean, likes everybody like everybody knows
you know what I mean, like the idea, right that,
that's what they get. They do get that opportunity where
they could stink and still make money off of it.
So that but that's where I think it's different from
the hiring process because you're right, like, if you have
a private owner of any bides still tell you why
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the hell am I going to listen to some someone
else tell me who I think I should hire, Like,
I'm not going to do that, And so I get
that perspective. But there still as a perspective that owner
makes enough bad hires and this company continues to go downhill,
he'll be out of business. And that's how it works.
But you know, these owners aren't subject to that because
of how good the NFL isn't making money. Yeah, it's
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they created. It's two pros and their granddad's he inherited it.
They inherited it. Yeah, yeah, it's two Pros and a
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so Aaron Rodgers has got Does he have a punctured
lung or does he not have a punctured long? Like,
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what's what's the answer here? What are the results? Like?
What's going on here? I mean like I would say
he has a punctured lung even if he doesn't have
a punctured lung, just because you don't want to plan
him again, Yeah, let's shut him down. The funny thing
about that is, um, you know, when you like tweak
a hamstring, like, Oh, it's different grades of of a
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hamstring tear right, Like you either have your lung puncture
or not. Right, Like, it's like you either pop the
balloon or he didn't. I feel like it's kind of
it's kind of pretty cut and dry. But I guess
they did some tests. They said it wasn't he wanted
to do further tests forever reason, I don't. I don't know, um.
I mean, if you're the team in this case, I mean,
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I'm not sure why. And they do have a great
medical staff up there in Green Bay, believe it or not,
But why wouldn't you have his best interest in mind?
You other guy a hundred and fifty million dollars if
he had some sort of debilitating injury, you know, would
force him not to ever play again, or there's a
medical malpractice or misdiagnosis. I mean, could you imagine how
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much you're on the hook for You just signed them
to a hundred and fifty million dollar, fully guaranteed deal.
So UM, I would think that that that they're trying
to give them the best medical advice they can. That's
just my opinion. Back and said to be punctured, Let
it be punctured. Yeah, yeah, give him time to hell.
Just roll with that. Yeah, because at the end of
the day, you'll do you'll do another analysis of it,
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you'll do more testing of it, and I say, you
revisit testing it and like three to four weeks, four
or five weeks, you know, six weeks. In six weeks,
what do you know? You know you're talking Valentine's Day.
I think we're ready for the next time. Alright, what
do you know? Seasons all say, hey, you know, that's
how it happens. Sometimes you gotta heal up. Though you
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got a great bill of health. You're good now. Matt
Lafloor says that he is going to be the starter
if he's healthy this weekend. So there's that from Matt Laflour.
What do you guys want to see? Because for entertainment purposes,
I'm a lot more interested in seeing Jordan's love play
at this point than this season that I am. Aaron Rodgers.
Roll out Jordan's Love. Let's see what we got. We've
got five six games off, whatever it is, roll them out,
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that's who we got. Turn that into a punctured lung.
I'm with LaVar, were just round up a little bit.
We do it. Sometimes it's okay, unt a Rot, you
have done so many amazing things. I would use his
his speech coming into training camp the year before to
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to drive home the point that listen, people come here
because of you. This team is what it is because
of you. Everything about green Bay is because about it's
it's you, and you're deserving of a break like you're
green Bay. You're gonna always be green Bay. Go go
take a break like we we get it and and
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and come back with a burr for next year. Come back,
come back with a burr in your your tail to
play well next year. Now, whether you have any intentions
of bringing him back or not, or trying to get
from underneath the contract or whatever it is, you're going
to try to figure it out. You you cross that
bridge when you get there. But as of for now,
gass him up. All he wants is a little bit
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of assurance and you know, reinforcement that he's Aaron Rodgers.
Give him that, and and let him get healthy and
and let him have some time away. Now he can.
Now you can do it, and people aren't going to
be up in arms about you doing it. I don't
see why they don't try to make this work on
both sides. I don't see why Aaron Rodgers wouldn't be
a party to it, Like I'm gonna go take this time.
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I'm Aaron Rodgers. I mean, maybe it's because Rogers feels like, well,
I've got the Bears this week, and you know, and
I owned them. Yeah, so why not let's just give
it one more spin and then uh and then after
that maybe we'll shut it down. But it just I
I just want to see Jordan's Love with a few games,
because look, he showed some stuff on Sunday night to
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where you thought, all right, well there's some mobility that
maybe Rogers doesn't have at this point in his career.
With Jordan's Love, he was making some plays all of
a sudden. Christian Wattson has turned into a legitimate touchdown
threat every time he gets the ball in his hand.
Seemingly when he does catch it, it just feels like, why, like,
let's just you know, I mean, we we've known what
the what the Packer season was going to be for
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several weeks once he was dealing with the broken thumb,
and then you saw them lose all those games in
a row. It was like, well, now that they can
still go on a run and still go on to run,
and then you look at their schedule the rest of
the way and you go, now, man, it's over. They
know it's over. Matt Laflor knows it's over. Packers fans
know it's over. It's a lost season. So if it's
a lost season, let's try and gain something from it.
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And let's see we got in Jordan's love, create some
trade value or a pathway forward. It's a win win situation.
The only way you lose is if if Jordan's Love
is a complete bust and and and how he plays,
and that didn't look like that was going to be
the case. I mean, he should be at least formidable,
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and we're going to find out if he's formidable, because
I would assume he's going to play this week. I
would assume that that Aaron Rodgers with the thumb and
the rib situation may not be ago this week. I
would assume that I don't know what I'm basing that
off of, other than if I'm in pain, Why am
I going to push through these pains, this pain with
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this this season? Why am I going to do that?
That's how I would be looking at it if I'm
Aaron Rodgers. Where I'm at right now? My vantage point?
Why am I going out here? Where are they playing?
It doesn't even matter where they're playing. It's going to
be cold. It's going to be cold as hell. Whoa, whoa,
you're talking to a bearrass fan, alright, in one. It
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matters where they play. Doesn't show us. I said, it's
gonna be cold as hell no matter where they play
at this time of the year, it's going to be
cold as hell in Chicago. What's the It might even
be raining. And if it's raining, then his cartilage is
gonna hurt you as lng is gonna hurt even more.
His thumb is gonna hurt even more. Now we're looking
at thirty nine degree temperatures right now, and that's cold.
But that ain't horribly that's not horribly bad. As long
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as it's dry, that's not bad. I don't I just
I don't know you have the problem. In Chicago, there
was say if you don't like the weather, wait a minute,
because you know you're on the lake front there. All
of a sudden, the wind starts to pick up. Maybe
it gets a little bit of a little bit of
moisture in the air. Who knows rain and snow possibility?
I mean, come on like this? Uh, I just I
just want to see because there was you guys have
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mentioned this. I think it was Brady yesterday who had
mentioned that the guys have probably seen Mike White on
the practice squad and and have gone against him and said, Hey,
this guy's got the goods. Why don't we go with him?
And there were some Packer players who are being interviewed
a few weeks ago, and they all are speaking highly
of Jordan's love. We see him in practice. He's a
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starting quarterback in this league. He's got the goods. I
just I wonder what percentage of Packer fans would also
at this point like to see at least what they got,
because if he goes out and he plays well, I
don't think Rogers walks away this year. I think he's
probably back with the Packers. But at least Green Bay knows. Okay,
that is the future, and that's who we can roll with.
Can actively move off of the information. If you don't
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have the information, then how do you how do you
approach actively? What are we keeping? Are we trying to
make sure Aaron Rodgers comes back. Are we trying to
move him? You can come up with a plan, a
strategy if you know what you have in your draft
pick that you brought in to replace him in the
first place. Do you think Rogers plays beyond next year?
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Brady Um, I hope he does. Look. I think he's
in an incredible talent at the position, So I hope
he does. Even if it's not Green Bay, even if
they work it out, where he goes somewhere else. I mean,
it would be interesting if his entire master plan was
to get the contract that he wanted too then move on.
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Is somewhere else where he wanted to finish his career,
if he didn't want to fish, that would brilliant. Yeah.
Maybe that's what the Ayahuasca bron I don't know, but
it is just interesting now when you look at a
couple of places. You have San Francisco, who was rumored
to have been trading for him, and that's where some
of the frustration began. Um because the Packers didn't go
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through with the deal. You wonder if if that truly
was where he wanted to go, or a destination he
wanted to go to and who wouldn't. By the way,
um that's the hottest team in the NFL right now,
probably next to the Eagles. And I think you'd have
to look at that and say if if Jimmy garobb
was a free agent, and I know they invested a
lot in Trey Lance, but that's still a wild card
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out there, and who knows if he'll ever become the
guy they thought, you know, they drafted him to be.
But if you could have a shot at Aaron Rodgers,
as much as that organization has gone through their ups
and downs, if Jimmy Garoppolo wasn't gonna stay or they
wanted to move on from him, yeah, that might be
a movie you go after. You know, I think you
have to. And Rogers would would would be really good
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in that system. But um, I just I don't know.
I mean, like I said, I think it's it's it
would be tough to think of a league without Tom Brady,
and eventually that day is gonna come. It's tough to
think of a league without Aaron Rodgers, and that's eventually
gonna come. So whether it's a Packers or someone else,
like I would love for him to be back next year, um,
hopefully things, you know, get off to a better start
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than what we saw this year. By the way, is
it mirror the older quarterbacks in the league looking old
this year? Like Brady at times? Brian looks old. I
mean Matt Ryan last night looks old. I mean everyone
is different, you know, like you go out to like LaVar,
I mean, come on, you go to like a high
school reunion or called you know, you go back to
ja Penn State and you see people you go, oh hey, okay,
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all right, and you see other people you go, oh
my god, what the hell happened? It's like, do you
think that's it? Yeah? I think genetics? Man stop sometimes
road shopper. He's always telling me that I was young.
He goes, say, chops, I got a secret for you.
So what's that? He goes, I want to be able
to look into the future. I go, yeah, I'm thinking myself,
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like what is he about? Ready to tell me right now?
Like what did he do for num? Then he goes,
if you really like a girl, he goes, if you
really want to look in the few, sure, just meet
her mom, ask her for picture. That's that's our regional values.
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the New York Chats, all right, the New York Chats
have themselves a starting quarterback and Mike White, well for
this week anyways. Now, Robert Salo, the head coach, spoke
with the media yesterday and he updated the media on
the situation at quarterback and the determination as to who's
going to start from week to week. He talked about
Mike White. He also mentioned Zack Wilson, who was inactive
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for last week's game. Here was the jet said, coach,
we're gonna go week to week. There's things that we'd
love to see Zach accomplish over the course of uh
we'll call it a reset. And this is Mike White's opportunity.
That doesn't change. So Mike's got an opportunity to go
stack another great day up this week, and when we
feel like Zach is ready to roll, he's gonna roll
the full intense to get Zach ready to play football again.
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I'll make that decision when I'm ready. And while we're
going through this process, it's Mike White's opportunity to to
take advantage of every last play that he gets. We'll
figure it out as as we go. Yeah, I don't
get it. That's what a ringing endorsement from from Robert Salom.
I wonder if Mike White's gonna keep those receipts right, Like, hey, coach, thanks,
thanks for the opportunity. I guess you're just waiting for
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me to fail. Let's have one bad game. See you
put your boys back back in. What an awful message.
Waiting for Zack in street clothes to mature enough or
in practices to mature enough weeks time is enough. Yeah,
that's going to be enough for the mature. Yeah, it's
like dog years. You know, three weeks in the NFL,
that's like seven years in real life. It's week thirteen.
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What do you mean waiting for zacting already year two? Yeah, Like,
I don't understand. What do you have twenty starts? I
mean I just I don't understand what the waiting is for?
Waiting for what? Like I mean, so say he comes
back and he's shown something and it's week sixteen, all
of a sudden, in a fight for the playoffs, you're
gonna put him back in likening him if that, if
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this is indeed, at face value, the truth of the matter,
he's sonning Zack Wilson like, like your I'm your dad,
You're my child. I'm going to take this away from
you because you're great, weren't good, And I'm going to
to make you see the value of exactly what it
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is that I want from you before. I'll give you
back the things that you have. Before, I give you
your video game back, I give you your cell phone back,
I give you the car back. You're going to do
it and you're going to see it exactly the way
I want you to do this is this is classic
sonning if if he is indeed telling the truth, if
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he's tongue in cheek and he's telling you that, listen,
we got a good thing with Mike White going right now,
and you're probably it Mike continues to play, well, you're
probably not going to get another opportunity to play this year,
and we will revisit what the situation is in the
off season. That would, to me is more of a
feasible and more plausible explanation for what's taken place. I
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think Robert Sali has done an excellent job as a
coach in terms of how he's handled his team and
how he's handled this season. I think this is a misstep.
I really do. I think this is a misstep. And
how he's how he's talking about it, like give it,
give it in a way where you don't have to
give us everything, but you are in New York City,
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so just give us the realness of it and be
done with it. And if that's what he just did,
then he's sunning him. He's he's trying to coach him
and teach him through father's son relationship type of patterns.
You're not gonna hear the New York you know, media
be critical of this, Like the best performance by any
quarterback this past week was Mike White. The best performance
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probably of a Jets quarterback since Mike White um at
least the recent history. And yet that's his response, like
the way he either doesn't have a feel for how
his team feels or he realizes at this point because
because here's what I said two weeks ago, this was
a mistake. He never should have done this in the
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first place, by benching Zack Wilson. And the reason why
I said that is because now you find yourself in
a scenario where Mike White looks that much better. Granted
and jonas you point us out, you know, banged up
Chicago Bears, secondary, I get that, but he's still out
there in an NFL game, making the throws, making the plays.
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It looked that much better. And if he looks that
much better this week, Robert Salo put himself in the
position where like, what's your excuse to take him out?
Like you've literally left the guy in there who's been
shopping at the bit for his opportunity. He's now seizing
that opportunity. It's a great story. Hopefully it continues to
be a great story for Jets fans so they can
win and maybe go to the playoffs. But you literally,
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now are what gonna You're gonna just yank him out
at some point because of a bad half, a bad quarter,
a bad decision. I mean, and it never made sense
if this is the narrative of how you're gonna spend
things after Mike White played as good at football as
a quarterback's played since you've been ahead, it's with the Jets.
You should have left Zack Wilson in there, and you
should have given a vote of confidence. Said, Look, he
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apologized to the team, he talked to a bunch of
the leaders, met with him separately, took him out the dinner,
had long talks with him, and we're gonna keep supporting
Zac until he grows. And you never would have put
your team in this position. But because of how he reacted,
benching Zach demoting him now he's not even active on
game day, and then putting him in a position where
he's just running scout team. Do you think a week
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is enough time? Like to your point, let bar it
literally feels like a scolding, like, Hey, you said something
dumb after a game where you played poorly, not taking accountability. Son,
I'm gonna scold you, and I'm going to ground you
from being the Jets quarterback for a week or two.
We'll just see how things play out. Like I'm going
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through this with my kids right now, trying to understand
and teach them, you know, lessons and and and those
that that sort of thing. But really, like this was
a mistake in the first place. If this is how
Robert Salo is gonna handle this, he needs to to say, hey,
I'm behind my quarterback and that's Mike White right now,
and until it's not, you know, so be it. But
like the conversations about Zack Wilson should be like irrelevant.
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I know he feels the need to answer them, but
what's the point. He's not even active, he's not even
a thought of playing right now until he is. But this,
this entire thing has been fumbled by Robert Salo, I
think because he felt the need to be so outward
with how they're managing things and how everyone else is
doing and all of that. And by the way, Robert
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Salo has managed everything since He's been there as a
head coach about as good as you possibly could until
this moment. Uh, has Zach Wilson had a game anywhere
close to what Mike White just put together on Sunday
anywhere close since ever thrown for three touchdowns in his
entire career so far as a Jet, say no, and
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was against a depleted Bear Steve, give it a little
at a breathing room. See, this is what I wonder
it wasn't. It wasn't against Uh, it wasn't against the
best defense in the league. Yeah, But what's what's the
make you think that Zach Wilson, based on how he played,
would have done that. I don't know. I don't know.
I just would try to have some type of hope
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because if I'm the New York media and I enjoy
um sticking up for him and pulling for him to
to work, I would offer up the idea of it
was the Chicago Bears, like I need to see it
against the better teams. I'll put it this way. He's
had more games with three or more interceptions then he's
had with three or more touchdowns. Wow, well there you go.
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I got a conspiracy, all right? Gets ready? For this
hit it burt all right, here's a conspiracy, all right,
So Robert Stack is joining us here in a trench.
Foil hats are out real rebel. This Robert Stack no
mask out here in California. I think the Jets are
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planning to move Zach Wilson this offseason via trade, and
this is an elaborate way to try and keep him healthy,
make sure he doesn't get hurt. He's been susceptible to
injuries over the past couple of years. We've seen it
already and this whole we need to get him ready
to play football again. I think they've realized if we
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keep them out there playing, it's gonna hurt our trade
value anyways. So why don't we at least keep them
healthy and let's go ahead and move on this offseason.
Zach Wilson is not playing another snap for the Jets.
I think he's gone this offseason being a trade. What
do you make of that? Come on, co sign on that.
Put that in your co signed pipe and smoke it.
Come on now you want good? Do you co signe
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or not? You? Oh? You guys are asking me, I
don't some of them? Why not? Well? Okay, for starters.
Let's just look at the top of the draft. So
Houston's drafting number one overall. Do you think at being
that they have the number one overall pick, they're not
gonna take a Bryce Young will Levis whoever else they put.
By the way, Anthony Richardson, I feel like for people
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who probably don't watch college football, he's the quarterback at
Florida and he may very well come back. I don't
know what his what decision will make, but um, the
box score didn't look great. But if you watched him
play against Florida State this past week, I mean it
is ridiculous watching him like he is such a rare,
rare talent. I would if he came out this year,
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and I think he should, by the way, because I
think the draft competition for is over. Caleb Williams will
be the number one overall pick. Like you might get
some teams who are positioning themselves and and this is
more of a conspiracy theory, but I think it's more
legit literally two tank in just to be able to
get Caleb Williams in. But but I digress. Um Richardson
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could be a guy. It's taken in the top ten
times a dude. He's a big dude, but he's an
unbelieved of a bowl athlete. Like the way he runs
is ridiculous, and and he's actually like, you know, I know,
he's still you know, developing as far as a quarterback
processing everything, But dude, he can sling it like he's
got some really good fundamentals. When he gets a clean
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pocket and when he when he knows where he's going
with the football or you know it's just maybe a
two read progression, he can get it out there and
her he's gotta rocket for an arm. But my point
is this, I just name three quarterbacks. You've got Houston
at number one, Chicago to they're not taking a quarterback.
They got justin fields. You've got Detroit now I believe
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who's got the Rams pick drafting three overall, maybe they
take one. You've got then Seattle at four. From Denver,
maybe they take one, I don't know, Caroline at five.
So you kind of started looking through the top five
right there. I think you can make the case three
of those teams might be looking for a quarterback. And
by the way, there's plenty of others that are gonna
be talked about as part of being a first round pick.
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Um C. J. Stroud's another name I didn't mention, but
he'll be a part of that conversation. My point is this,
You've got four guys all that I think are gonna
have higher draft grades than Wilson, and you've got, you know,
multiple teams that could pick any one of those four
instead of wasting trade compensation on Zack Wilson, I just
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what are you giving up to get Zack Wilson at
this point? So he's just inactive until what Joe Flacco
doesn't look good on the scout team and then we
realize I don't want I don't think he's gonna be
an act of the rest of the the season, many more games,
six seven, you know, I bet he comes in and
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place in the next couple of I mean, that's gonna be.
That's gonna be dictated off of the way Mike White plays.
That My caveat would be if Mike White falls on
his face. But why was there expecting him to? That's
what bothers me the most about Robert Salis saying that,
is like, look, I get it. They see these guys
every day in practice. They've Mike White for a while
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now he's been there, and Zack Wilson has been there,
so they're probably watching their heads thinking eventually the true
colors are gonna show and we're gonna put Zack back
in there and he can maybe be the hero and
how savor season Like that has to be the narrative
behind what a support system. But he just said it
like like after what Mike White just did, how could you,
as a head coach, before you coach right now, if
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you had a quarterback that came in and played that
well after your starter had been playing so poorly this
year and you've wanted to spite him. I'm not going
back to him unless I have to, unless I have
no other recourse. Like I'm looking at that, I'm looking
at the prior starter as you weren't the solution to
us winning and being a better team. I don't see
(39:45):
that changing. So if I were to go back to
that that player. As a coach, if I go back
to him, is because I have no other recourse. That's like,
as a coach, that's how I would feel if you're
my starter and I've started you and you've earned that
right to be the guy that goes out there first
and that's what's established. If I have to pull you
(40:07):
out mid season and I'm not even dressing you, like
we have three quarterbacks and you were my starter, and
I'm not even dressing you for the game, or say
high school, we dress everybody, so you are dressed, but
you you don't go in at all. That's because I
don't trust you. That's because I don't believe that we
(40:28):
can win with you. I just don't know how you
how do you recover from that? Like they can show
if it is something correctable, like the way he's doing,
something like his reads, or something that we can say
we can look at on film and say this is
a correctable deal, then sure, I guess you give yourself
(40:49):
that you know that that opportunity to to see the growth,
that's what being a coach represents. But I also at
the same time, you don't make a decision that big
as a coach unless you've lost the trust in that player.
And we all know if you don't have trust as
a coach, then you can't use that person that you
(41:10):
don't trust because you're ultimately always going to be looking
at them waiting for them to do exactly what it
is that you expected them to do, and then now
that plays on you as a coach. I let everybody
else down in Minnesota's got the worst past defense in
the league. That's who the Jets have this week. I mean,
if he goes out and plays, you know, close to
where he played last Sunday. I just so, what is
(41:34):
this like a slow climb? By what week fifteen or sixteen,
Zach Wilson will move up to second on the depth
chart and then you know, in case of injury, we
could bring him in. It. Just the whole thing is odd, man.
I I don't, I don't, But you can't be critical.
You're not allowed to be critical because if you are,
then the doormat Jets fans come after you because you're
a quote unquote hater. You know, God forbid you disagree
(41:56):
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