March 23, 2023 • 39 mins
Jets continue to hustle in order to make room for both Aaron Rodgers and OBJ. Senior NFL Reporter for the MMQB, Albert Breer gives an update on Aaron Rodgers, Lamar Jackson and the future market for QB’s. Plus, Brady’s Fighting Irish poaches LaVar’s Penn State basketball coach, Micah Shrewsberry.
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He's not the former offensive line coach for the Dolphins
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talked about. What a wild story offensive line coach for
the Dolphin centsive video of him just racking booger sugar
off the desk and the team facility. This Dolphins up right,
It's like when Jerry Springer, Jerry Springer got a prostitute
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and he paid for it via check, like you know,
like you sure you wanted to cash that, Jerry, Yeah,
of course, yeah, you gotta claim them taxes. How about
not having a paper trail? How about that, you know
playing you know, maybe he won't. Maybe he wanted a
paper trail. HiT's a write off. Maybe he wanted to
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That's correct. He wanted to use the system to his advantage.
You know, that's a service. Oh man, that is true.
I hear, yes, I've heard the same thing, all right.
So here is the very latest on the story that
keeps on giving throughout the course of the days and
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weeks and months that this could drag on for. So
it kind of ties in two things. The New York
Jets are very active now they're trying to acquire a
quarterback who is currently under contract with the Green Bay Packers.
But the Jets yesterday made a couple of moves. They
traded away Elijah Moore. They in return got a second
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round pick back, and a lot of people think that
could be used as draft capital, extra draft pack capital
to try and use to acquire Aaron Rodgers. They now
have the forty second and forty third pick in the
upcoming draft, so they trade away Elijah More to the
Browns to pick that draft pick up. And then there's
also some rumblings, according to Connor Hughes of SNY that
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the Jets interest in Odell Beckham Junior is quote very real.
So this feels like again another player that Aaron Rodgers
wanted to play with, another you know, on his wish
list or whatever you want to call it. And then
also them trying to add more draft capital. It's not
a first round pick that apparently is what the Green
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Bay Packers are after, but they've at least added another
draft pick, so they're trying to make different moves in
the vicinity of Aaron Rodgers, but still haven't quite made
the move to get Aaron Rodgers a little bit of
the what is it the cart before the horse analogy
that you told us and explained it to us over
a year ago on the show. Yeah, and so that
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is that is apparently where we're at when it comes
to the New York Jets pursuit of Aaron Rodgers. Still
not him, just you know, everybody around him reportedly in
other moves. Well, I continue to have this thought process
on the whole Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay Packers, New York
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Jets saga, who loses the most? Who stands to lose
the most if this deal falls through? Is it Aaron Rodgers,
Is it Green Bay? Or is it the New York Jets?
Who stands to lose the most? You know who I
think stands to lose the most? Green Bay? Green Bay
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stands to lose the most. I think Aaron Rodgers comes
in second, because if I'm Aaron Rodgers, I gotta I
gotta deal with what's going to come next, because I'm
going to be a Green Bay packer and they've already
made it known that they don't want me and that
it's going to be a Jordan love year. And then
the Jets bring up the rear which they're used to
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being in last lately. Anyways, come on, like a shot
at the Jets. They weren't last this year, but that
loyal fan base, coming all that success they had, how
could you leave? You know? I don't at least I
don't think they were in last. Let let me take
a look. Really, I mean, at this point, who cares?
It was the Bills and the Dolphins and they, you know,
just figure it out from there. Yeah, yeah, that's true.
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Yeah anyway, Um, that's that's kind of to me what
I've continued to to kind of wrestle with. Uh, they
were in last That's that's the de facto statement on
the Jets. They were probably in last place. They were hilarious, man,
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but only about one game, you know. I mean the Patriots. Surprisingly,
the Patriots were right there with him at eight and nine. Um,
I mean, Jonas loses the biggest here. If they if
if if Green Bays see to me, this is part
of me, says Green Bay doesn't want to part ways
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fully with Aaron Rodgers because if they really really wanted
to get rid of Aaron Rodgers and this relationship has
gone as sour as everyone has says, it says it
has give me, give me a jawbreaker, give me some
now laters, some skittles, and you take this contract and
we're good. We're good. You're taking the contract off of
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our hands, like, oh, you're gonna give us a couple
of draft picks, Like oh, they're not first round, Like
he's gone. The fact that this is taking longer and
it's being portrayed as because Green Bay wants a first
round draft pick for Aaron Rodgers, It's like, are you
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trying to sabotage the deal? Are are you doing a
Dan Snyder on the sale of your all time greatest player?
What is really going on, Green Bay? If you really
want to move on and give Jordan Love the opportunity
to have a fair chance of taking over this team,
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just make the deal. Make the deal. Yeah, it's uh.
And Albert Breer is going to be joining us so
he can give us sort of the very latest, because
I know he's been all over Just what the hold
up is? I did want to make mention of something
you talked about now and Laters, I think a candy
that gets forgotten that a lot of us grew up
with las. All right, Can I make a bold statement here?
(08:42):
And I'm not trying to piss anybody off at now
and Laters or anybody that may have a now and
Later currently residing somewhere nearby. Now and Laters are starburst
with rigor mortis. Oh yeah, they are. They are the
corpse of starburst, because that's what made them amazing. Though,
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too too hard, too difficult to chew, no way, No,
I don't know, no way, I don't know, not like
you gotta suck on them. Yeah, mambas. You grow up
with mamba's. That's uh that that's big where Berto and
I are from, you know, now a Laters, The newer
ones they're way softer. The old school ones they were
(09:24):
a lot more stickier, like you can put yeah yeah,
very difficult to take it. But if you suck on
them like they they're the best. Like you just let
them like you just let them like melt down. That's
how I always ate them. Yeah, because if you got
in the chewing on them, man, like, that's that's just
gonna be a bad day for you now here. You Yeah,
(09:46):
too much stick for the sticky, Yeah, too much sticky. Yeah,
you guys got that right, all right? Good thumbs up
for both of them. All right, So that's uh so well,
I hate that we got Lavars saying something there that's
the truth and it does it is true. I mean,
if you understand now raiders, but we worked with savages
and they try and pinpoint everything that's gets said. That's inappropriate.
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I don't. I love saying things that you know, Berto
canne favor, you reuse. It's great, but I was just
talking about the now and later. Yes, that's all I agree.
What's your favorite candy growing up? Oh? Geez, like a
like a fruity candy, Like it doesn't matter. What was
your favorite candy grown up? What was What was your
go to candy when you went into the store. My
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mom and I really like lemonheads, and because they were
always the cheapest. Lemonheads and red hots were like twenty
five cents a box, and that went a long way
where we came from. So we would always go like lemonheads.
They always were the cheapest ones because those would get
soft and then they could get a little bit chewy. Bert.
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What was yours? Yeah, growing up? Favorite candy? Yeah? Um,
go to candy like Mom, I gotta have it, Like,
give me some cash, I'm going to the corner store Skittles. Skittles.
Yeah it's good lee. Uh, I guess I would. I
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would eat a lot of tutsie rolls during Halloween, but
I wasn't really much to go get a stunner. Uh
milky way another shocker. Jeez, all right, is Eddie listening?
Is Eddie in? What was What was Eddie's favorite growing up?
Um Reese's peanut butter cups. Oh that's a good one. Yeah,
(11:37):
that's a good Yeah, that's always a built to this day,
still love them. Yeah. That that's the equivalent of saying
that jets finished in the last place. When you're not sure,
you just assume, oh yeah, that's that's a go too.
Like that that is. But if you suck on like
they they're the best. Yeah, you could fill that in
with so many different different words. That was real. I
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thought that was in real time. I didn't realize. But
you suck on them like they're they're the best they
are and you know by the way sucking on them.
Um my favorite growing up? This This is this is
three all right? This one, one A and one B.
Number one was Jolly Ranchers. But it was the stick
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before it became like the little block of candy that
that you you you eat now. They had a stick.
It was like like long, like it looked like almost
like my one my one uh lemon heads. Lemonheads are great. Yeah,
that was mine. She's going with lemon Yeah, yeah, it
was mine. Lemonheads was not not on my top. My
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one one A, one B one one A was Jolly Joe's.
Y'all remember Jolly Joe's now strip club? No, they were
like like like no, they were like, she probably is
a strip club somewhere. That seems like one. No. No,
Jolly Joe's were like, uh, I can't explain it, but
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they came in a box. I think you can still
get Jolly Joes. Like Jolly Joes were a great version
of Mike and Nikes. Okay, yeah, all right, that was
my That was my one A and then one bum
was Airheads. I loved airheads growing up. Yeah, airheads were
solid because the nkers were solid too. I don't know why.
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I like zonker. Way are they called zonkers or bonkers?
I don't know. Bonkers they had like the the the
different color center and the outside was a different color
from the insides, like bonkers or a sonker let me see. Yeah, yeah,
I pick over in a minute. It could be some
East Coast candies. Yeah there as well, we're not familiar
with perhaps a little little four one two candy stories.
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Is that really called Pittsburgh's Pittsburgh candy story there? Yeah,
they were called bonkers. Yes, yes, burno, Yes, I heard it.
I heard. I just was ignoring him. I heard him.
Oh man, I didn't know if it was going over
the air or not. It's always you never know. Yeah, yeah,
I wasn't sure if he was if he was taking
it over the air, so I just didn't respond to him.
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But I heard both times. Well I think that'll pay.
They were called bonkers. Send picture of them, by the way,
that'll I think that concludes our coverage of the New
York Jets pursuit of Aaron Rodgers for the time being.
That's that's where we stand with the Aaron Rodgers pursued that.
You know, it's it's resulted if you suck on him
like they're the best. So it appropriate. Brady's going to
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enjoy that when he comes back. Yeah, he's what the hell?
A lot of a lot of questions about where that started. Yeah,
it's very uncomfortable, but it is the truth. It is.
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can expect and Aaron Rodgers trade and is Lamar Jackson
headed elsewhere, possibly to another AFC team. We'll have that
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we'll call it a little over twenty minutes from now,
we're gonna talk about a story in the world of
sports that has a lot to do with this show.
A major move in sports that has a lot to
do with this show. It's yours again a little over
twenty minutes from Albert right now, we turn it over
to Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter at the MMQB. You
can get him on Twitter at Albert Brier. Always kind
enough to join us here every Thursday on FSR. Albert,
(16:01):
what's happening? Good morning up, Jonathan, just hanging out. Yeah,
So we're just we're trying. We're trying to get to
the bottom of this because and I'm sure you're sick
of talking about this and listen, we all would like
some sort of a resolution. But it feels like the
Jets are out making moves to maybe appease Aaron Rodgers
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and maybe you know, appeal to him. Yet they haven't
exactly gotten Aaron Rodgers. Everything's been in the vicinity, just
not quite Rogers himself. So where do we stand when
it comes to the negotiations and the compensation disagreement that
the Packers and the Jets are currently having. Well, I
don't know, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't
think they need to appease Aaron Rodgers anymore. Right, Yeah,
(16:46):
he's already in fair point. They have to appease the packers,
So yeah, I mean, I think what they're doing is
they're building infrastructure around, um, you know, around the quarterback,
and they're putting receivers around the quarterback, and they're you know,
building the right sort of environment for the quarterback. And
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now they just have to go get the quarterback, you know.
And I think one thing I would say is if
this were at the thirteenth pick of the draft, were
on the table, queen right, no qualifiers, no givebacks, nothing,
then I think this deal would be done. You know.
The disagreement is over how the deal looks, and I
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think a lot of the disagreement centers on that thirteenth
overall pick. And the Jets have felt all wrong that
this was going to be maybe a second or a
third round pick this year and then a conditional pick
or picks down the line based on how he played
in twenty twenty thirty, maybe whether or not he plays
in twenty twenty four, you know. And so they've tried
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to get creative and do different things. And look, I
don't think that Aaron Rodgers going on the MacAfee show
helped either, you know, because I from the Jet perspective,
it certainly seems like that's when the packers maybe drew
a harder line and this thing got a little bit
more contentious. So book like, the owners are are going
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to gather in Arizona next week starting on Sunday, and
you know, maybe having you know, Mark Murphy and Woody
Johnson and Brian Goodacous and Joe Douglas and all those
guys in the same place will help. Um, you know,
but right now there's certainly the stalemate, and you know,
I think it's going to take I would say some
cooler heads for vailing to break that stalemate. Who stands
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We had this conversation earlier in the show, ab who
stands to lose the most in this In this scenario,
I've put Green Bay at number one, I put Aaron
Rodgers at number two, and I'll put the Jets at
number three. See, I think the Jets have the most
to lose because if you've done all this and you
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don't deliver Aaron Rodgers, where do you turn right now?
I mean, what do you do? Seriously? I feel like
Jimmy Garlo is off the market. Derek Carr's off the market.
You're driving, you're picking thirteenth overall? Um, you know, and
and and right now it looks like one, two and
four picking quarterbacks? Like I like, do you turn back
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to Zach Waltson? Can you turn back to Zach Waltson?
I don't think so, right, do you? I mean, do
you trade for like Ryan Tannet? What do you do?
You know? So? But if you are, but if you're
Green Bay, ab you're you're keeping Aaron Rodgers contract because
there are no other suitors. You're keeping Aaron Rodgers contract.
Aaron Rodgers is what on your roster? What happens? Is
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he now the starter? Is there a quarterback controversy? Now?
Is Jordan Love getting the team? Like that? Seems like
that's way more confused and rather, I mean their cupboard
isn't empty, it's full, but it's it's a problem for
whereas you're looking at the cupboard, is I guess half
empty or so? In in New York? I mean I
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feel like it's it's way worse for for Green Bay
if this doesn't go through. Showing up though, or do
you think he's just retires yeah, why would he walk
away from that money? I would force up to release me.
But remember, like he's got to go through a full
training camp then, right, Like so like they can start
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finding him if he doesn't show up for training camp, right,
And if he shows up for training camp, I'd agree,
it's a big mass. That's what I like. That's the
point I'm making. And Aaron Rodgers seems like he'd be
the type of dude like, hey, I'm reporting for service,
you know. Yeah, well you actually is exactly what Bret
Farm did. I believe, right, Yeah, so there you go.
So funny. People forget that Brett Farm actually showed up
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training camp that year. It's pretty I think he was
he end like a side field or something like that.
Like and then this was really really weird. And and
then the second the second time, I think it was
Jared Allen and a couple other players flew into Mississippi
to court him to come the Vikings. Yeah, there was
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all that. Yeah. Remember remember we had let the news
scoptors look like the Motor Games for Yes, yeah, I remember.
That was a good time. And here we are again,
yeah yeah, all these years later, I mean, look like LaVar,
here's the thing. I just think, like, if you really
want to look at like what this means for the
people in that organization, I do think like the Packers
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are unified here right where. I think if even if
this thing gets messy, like Brian Gooda comes to Matt before,
probably don't lose their job over it, because Mark Murphy's
and lockstep, right, if Robert Sala and Joe Douglas do
not deliver Aaron Rodgers, like then what happens to them?
You know what I mean? We're talking about the people
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in the organization. Like I do think like in the
very least, the Packers are in lockstep here. And I
don't think like Mark Murphy's gonna fire Brian Goodacoons or
Matt Lafleur if Aaron Rodgers decides to, you know, turn
this into a circus in the summer, whereas if Aaron
Rodgers isn't on the Jets roster, but there's a good
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chance everybody's getting fired in ten months, you know. So
like I just I think that's where it is, and
I ultimately I do I do think like in the end,
a lot of this has become about and I think
it's about the Packers want to come wanting to come
out of this with their pound of flesh. The you know,
Aaron wanting to get back at the Packers, and you
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know the Jets are sort of just trying to get
to extract the quarterback out of there. You know, I
think ultimately some of the hard feelings here have to subside.
And that's always the way these things have worked too,
by the way, like you know when you talk about
that disaster, you know in Green Bay in the summer
twenty and eventually cooler heads prevailed they traded him to
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the Jets. So like I do think like we're eventually
gonna find like some level of compromise between the Packers
and Jets, because ultimately, like this really isn't even between
the Packers and Jets, this is between the Packers and
Aaron Rodgers, you know. And so like I think at
some point Aaron Rodgers goes to Mark Murphy with an
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all branch or vice versus, is like, let's just find
a way to create an exit for everybody from the situation,
because how do we lose them? Yeah, there it is
Albert Breer, Senior NiFi report at the MMQB, joining us
here on Fox Sports Radio. You can get him at
(23:47):
Twitter at Albert Breer. So I wanted to ask you
about the other quarterback that's battling for the offseason headlines
in the NFL, and that's Lamar Jackson and the Ravens.
I can't help but think that this has gotten and
maybe you know, I don't know if we're too far
down the road, but it feels like this has gotten
really personal, especially from Lamar's side, and the way that
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I take it, the Ravens aren't exactly thrilled that they
had to give the non exclusive tag to Lamar Jackson.
I just wonder from people you talk to, is there
is it possible to save this relationship for Lamar Jackson
and the Ravens without him getting everything he wants from
the organization From a contract standpoint, I think it's very unpredictable.
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Like I just think because Lamar is representing himself in
this situation, because I think the people that are advising
Lamar are somewhat unpredictable because there's no track record there,
you know, Like it's not like we're talking about you know,
CIA or Athletes First or one of the big agencies here.
There's no track record on the people who are advising Lamar.
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You know, I just think it's a very, very unpredictable situation.
And I think like one thing that really complicates it
beyond anything else, is like we're talking about a guy's
you know, the viability of a guy's career going forward,
his health right, and because that's that's a huge part
of all of this is the way that Lamar's put
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his body on the line for the franchise for the
last five years, and how that's made this more about
principles than about money. Because guys, if this was all
about money, I think he would have just taken the money,
you know what I mean. I think like what they
offered a top of the market traditional quarterback deal. Like,
if this is just about money, he's taken the nine
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figures guaranteed and calling it a day. Right, So how
do you move off move a guy who was standing
on principal office spot. That's the really hard thing here,
you know, And I've always I felt like all along,
like the compromise would be where cousins type of deal,
you know where, and obviously bigger numbers, but you know,
(26:04):
thinking about Lamar's deals, Lamar's years fully guaranteed or at
Deshaun's dealt Deshaun Watsons deal is five years fully guaranteed.
Kirk Cousins deal was more or less like looked like
a regular quarterback deal with the non guaranteed years chopped off.
And then maybe you give him like a no tag provision,
so you say, hey, Lamar, we're gonna guarantee every dollar
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we give you, and then at the end of this,
you're gonna have a no tag provision, so we have
no control over what happens with you after this deal
is done, and if you're still healthy and still playing
this way, you're gonna be able to hit the open market.
To me, like that would be the compromise. But you know, obviously,
you know, the Ravens and Lamar's side haven't been able
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to find that middle ground. And you know, we'll see
what happens. Yeah, I just think it's so unpredictable because
of you know, how Lamar's handled this over the last
couple of years, and because he doesn't have traditional representation.
Maybe I wanted to move on, but I got to
ask this follow up to that, if this turns out
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to be, you know, all of the accusations around colluding
and different things like that. I read in the one
article where the owners are working to not only keep
contracts un you know, obviously not guaranteed, but to put
a cap almost so to speak on what these quarterbacks
are making. If there's any validity to that, I mean,
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will we be talking about the health of Joe Burrow
next year? Will we talk about you know, like, what
will be the next conversation, what's the next iteration of
conversations of what sounds like to me excuses? I mean all,
I mean, some of some of these these guys are
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having surgeries, major surgeries, have had major injuries take place.
I don't think that that's justified for someone that is
a he's not debated as a franchise quarterback. He's undisputed
as a as a franchise he is a franchise guy.
Is this is this the pattern moving forward? Well, you
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know what's so interesting about it, LaVar's like, you have
two organizations now they're gonna be involved in the East
over the next couple of years that aren't let's say
they aren't the most cash rich organizations. Right, So you
got Joe Burrow with the Bengals, right, and then you
have Justin Herbert with the Chargers, and like, whichever one
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signs first presumably set the tone for the other. And
I think it'd be simply to think that those two
guys who are in the same draft class are talking.
And then on top of that, you have Jalen Hurts,
who just played his best game on the biggest stage,
you know, and you know, like I just like look
at the three of them and like where those contracts go,
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and it's going to be really interesting to see because
the court You're right, the quarterback market is escalated to
the point where I mean we're talking about a team's
committing over twenty percent of their salary captain one player,
and like those players also, by the way, could take
the same stand the Lamar Jackson is taking. And if
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you're talking about like doing that with teams that aren't
all that cash wrench in the Bengals and Chargers and
having to put all that money in escrow, well that's
a problem too, you know. So I think a lot
of circumstances coming up here, circumstances like with the three
young quarterbacks, all of them are playing really well, all
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of whom are undisputed, like they're the guys for their organization. Now,
I think when you're talking about who's elite, like Joe
Burrows a little ahead of the other two, but all
three of those guys that positioned themselves get paid. And
you know, now, I think the questions who goes first?
And if the first one winds up getting a fully
guaranteed contract, how does that affect the other two? And um,
(30:10):
you know, I think these guys, these guys that they've
been together, have an opportunity to really push back and
change the dynamic for all players. The question is whether
or not they can do what they're going to do
that because I think we'd all be naive to think
that we'd all be naive not to think that the
owners are working together to set some degree on this
(30:32):
to try to prevent those guys from getting fully guaranteed contracts. Yeah,
it's pretty pretty interesting to see how this is going
to shape up the next year or so it is.
Albert Breer, Senior NFL reporter at the MMQB Get them
on Twitter at Albert Brier. Albert always appreciate a man.
Have a great rest of your Thursday, and we'll do
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it politically correct to say it's big pimping, big pimping? Yeah, well,
like uh, by the way, two pros and a cup
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bat or kind of shows off a little bit, they
call it, yeah, he pimped that home run. So it
(32:23):
is weird how that became just like it okay, yeah,
because what does that really mean that he pimped that
home run? Like, did he like he knocked that bee
out of the ball that is out of the park. Yeah, well,
like you know, like the strut. You know, it is
interesting how the term pimp is now associated with cool,
(32:43):
you know, because you can't call the you can't call
your fruit of the loan, uh te tank top or whatever.
You can't call it a wife beater. You can't say it. No, no,
I mean yeah, but it's what he's calling it. That's
what he just didn't want. I just didn't want to
say it because it's now and proper to it's not
(33:04):
proper to say it. I just call it a ribbed
tank top. Now I don't use that term anymore, but
that I mean, I just don't understand, like I don't know,
but it's forever. Yeah, I know. But but pimp is okay, pimp, pimp,
the home run is okay. Like I mean, I guess interesting.
(33:24):
You know, it's just so our our society is so choosy, man.
We don't make the rules. We just gotta live vibe
apparently so choosing yet it is. It is odd what's
okay and what's not okay? Nowadays it's very interesting, all right.
So we are going to coming up in a little
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(33:46):
Somebody with intimate knowledge of a major story in the
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glad this is a short segment. Why what's some i'd understand?
All right, So you're probably wondering, why are we playing
a highlight from last week as our progressive play the day. Well,
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M for we are hashtag we are the Penn State
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Nitney Lions. Apparently that's going to go ahead and be
the final win of the coaching career or of the
great Micah Shrewsbury who is leaving Penn State for Notre Dame.
And that now now I feel like I'm a child
whose parents are going to be divorcing or getting in
(35:15):
a fight in front of me, because now I got
Shrewsbury leaving your school to go to Brady School. What
are we going to do about this? This is kind
of glad that that Q isn't on the show today
for this today today, like next week. Okay, like it
won't be as as new, it won't mean as much
(35:37):
to me. I'm over it by then. But today I
would be attacked by kind of like because you know,
you know, if if this was in reverse and somebody
had left no, oh yeah, laughing, god, we got your boy.
By the way, that was Westwood One on the call.
Want to make sure I cleared that out so we
(35:58):
don't get in trouble. But yeah, ah, we got your people.
So Shrewsbury was there for a couple of seasons. Cold
Blood Listen did a great job this year, as as
mentioned in the call there on Westwood One, first tournament
win in a long long time. He used us, and
then all of a sudden just went to Notre Dame
(36:20):
with Mike Bray leaving Mike Ray last seeing his Notre
Dame coach doing shots at Jamison at the Linebacker Lounge
and South Bend now on his way to into retirement.
And we've got Mike Shrewsbury who's heading over to South Bend. Now, hey,
come on, burno, geez, Is that is that like a
tremendous upgrade? It's not. I mean, Notre Dame is not
(36:46):
a powerhouse. Basketball program. But I mean, we're not a
powerhouse basketball program. I'm the seven year deal. It was
it was it was it a matter of the money
or is it a matter of he made a a
ascending like I would assume he wants to be an
NBA coach. He came from the NBA. I would assume
(37:08):
he wants to eventually be an NBA coach. He's also
from Indianapolis, So he's from Indiana and so that's what
So the thought is, you know, he can go back home. Um,
and that's you know, it puts him closer to where
he's from as opposed to Penn State. Now this isn't
as you wouldn't call this like Bill O'Brien leaving Penn State,
(37:29):
No would all right, that that whole Bill O'Brien thing
still just reeks of of just you know, user like
I don't. I think Shrewsbury came in and he put
the time in, He built the program to a point
(37:49):
of where they had one of their best seasons and
like who knows, like they said like twenty some thirty
some years or something something crazy. Um, you know, Bill
O'Brien was a front runner and and and I think
when when things were going to get to its toughest.
You know, he bailed the hell out of there, Like
(38:10):
he beat Cheeks up out of there. He wasn't willing
to stand and get in the trenches with the Penn
State community and build and rebuild. Um, he just he's
you know, he ran. Yeah, so I felt like it's
a little different. I mean, I'm not even comparing these two,
to be honest. Yeah, But unfortunately again I'm caught in
(38:31):
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We'll have a whole weekend to get through it. You know,
Jilless Knock Show will be good, that is true. It
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He's actually doing a seven day fast and workout the
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lifting weights NonStop. So that is the that is the
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So that's that's where Brady Quinn's at. Big heavy work
week for Brady. Or he's just you know, taking a
little a little blow, that's all. Or that just taking
(01:47):
a little blow. Yeah, I mean and you mean bred
on show? Yeah yeah, oh yeah, my bad. Yeah, you
got it. I mean, if you're an athlete, you say,
you know, give him a blow or you know, pull
him out and he needs a blow like need Okay,
I hear. And where's your mind? No, I just want
to I want to clear that up. We got a
(02:08):
lot of people out there to think, where are your minds? Well,
I was thinking drugs or something else. So I want
to make sure that he's not you know, that's not him.
He's not the former offensive line coach for the Dolphins
that was doing snow and just of his desk. Yeah,
by the way, that's still that's still like never gets
(02:29):
talked about. What a wild story offensive line coach for
the Dolphin centsive video of him just racking booger sugar
off the desk and the team facility. This Dolphins up right,
It's like when Jerry Springer, Jerry Springer got a prostitute
(02:49):
and he paid for it via check, like you know,
like you sure you wanted to cash that, Jerry, Yeah,
of course, yeah, you gotta claim them taxes. How about
not having a paper trail? How about that, you know
playing you know, maybe he won't. Maybe he wanted a
paper trail. HiT's a write off. Maybe he wanted to
(03:10):
That's correct. He wanted to use the system to his advantage.
You know, that's a service. Oh man, that is true.
I hear, yes, I've heard the same thing, all right.
So here is the very latest on the story that
keeps on giving throughout the course of the days and
(03:30):
weeks and months that this could drag on for. So
it kind of ties in two things. The New York
Jets are very active now they're trying to acquire a
quarterback who is currently under contract with the Green Bay Packers.
But the Jets yesterday made a couple of moves. They
traded away Elijah Moore. They in return got a second
(03:50):
round pick back, and a lot of people think that
could be used as draft capital, extra draft pack capital
to try and use to acquire Aaron Rodgers. They now
have the forty second and forty third pick in the
upcoming draft, so they trade away Elijah More to the
Browns to pick that draft pick up. And then there's
also some rumblings, according to Connor Hughes of SNY that
(04:12):
the Jets interest in Odell Beckham Junior is quote very real.
So this feels like again another player that Aaron Rodgers
wanted to play with, another you know, on his wish
list or whatever you want to call it. And then
also them trying to add more draft capital. It's not
a first round pick that apparently is what the Green
(04:34):
Bay Packers are after, but they've at least added another
draft pick, so they're trying to make different moves in
the vicinity of Aaron Rodgers, but still haven't quite made
the move to get Aaron Rodgers a little bit of
the what is it the cart before the horse analogy
that you told us and explained it to us over
a year ago on the show. Yeah, and so that
(04:59):
is that is apparently where we're at when it comes
to the New York Jets pursuit of Aaron Rodgers. Still
not him, just you know, everybody around him reportedly in
other moves. Well, I continue to have this thought process
on the whole Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay Packers, New York
(05:19):
Jets saga, who loses the most? Who stands to lose
the most if this deal falls through? Is it Aaron Rodgers,
Is it Green Bay? Or is it the New York Jets?
Who stands to lose the most? You know who I
think stands to lose the most? Green Bay? Green Bay
(05:43):
stands to lose the most. I think Aaron Rodgers comes
in second, because if I'm Aaron Rodgers, I gotta I
gotta deal with what's going to come next, because I'm
going to be a Green Bay packer and they've already
made it known that they don't want me and that
it's going to be a Jordan love year. And then
the Jets bring up the rear which they're used to
(06:05):
being in last lately. Anyways, come on, like a shot
at the Jets. They weren't last this year, but that
loyal fan base, coming all that success they had, how
could you leave? You know? I don't at least I
don't think they were in last. Let let me take
a look. Really, I mean, at this point, who cares?
It was the Bills and the Dolphins and they, you know,
just figure it out from there. Yeah, yeah, that's true.
(06:29):
Yeah anyway, Um, that's that's kind of to me what
I've continued to to kind of wrestle with. Uh, they
were in last That's that's the de facto statement on
the Jets. They were probably in last place. They were hilarious, man,
(06:49):
but only about one game, you know. I mean the Patriots. Surprisingly,
the Patriots were right there with him at eight and nine. Um,
I mean, Jonas loses the biggest here. If they if
if if Green Bays see to me, this is part
of me, says Green Bay doesn't want to part ways
(07:13):
fully with Aaron Rodgers because if they really really wanted
to get rid of Aaron Rodgers and this relationship has
gone as sour as everyone has says, it says it
has give me, give me a jawbreaker, give me some
now laters, some skittles, and you take this contract and
we're good. We're good. You're taking the contract off of
(07:36):
our hands, like, oh, you're gonna give us a couple
of draft picks, Like oh, they're not first round, Like
he's gone. The fact that this is taking longer and
it's being portrayed as because Green Bay wants a first
round draft pick for Aaron Rodgers, It's like, are you
(07:56):
trying to sabotage the deal? Are are you doing a
Dan Snyder on the sale of your all time greatest player?
What is really going on, Green Bay? If you really
want to move on and give Jordan Love the opportunity
to have a fair chance of taking over this team,
(08:19):
just make the deal. Make the deal. Yeah, it's uh.
And Albert Breer is going to be joining us so
he can give us sort of the very latest, because
I know he's been all over Just what the hold
up is? I did want to make mention of something
you talked about now and Laters, I think a candy
that gets forgotten that a lot of us grew up
with las. All right, Can I make a bold statement here?
(08:42):
And I'm not trying to piss anybody off at now
and Laters or anybody that may have a now and
Later currently residing somewhere nearby. Now and Laters are starburst
with rigor mortis. Oh yeah, they are. They are the
corpse of starburst, because that's what made them amazing. Though,
(09:03):
too too hard, too difficult to chew, no way, No,
I don't know, no way, I don't know, not like
you gotta suck on them. Yeah, mambas. You grow up
with mamba's. That's uh that that's big where Berto and
I are from, you know, now a Laters, The newer
ones they're way softer. The old school ones they were
(09:24):
a lot more stickier, like you can put yeah yeah,
very difficult to take it. But if you suck on
them like they they're the best. Like you just let
them like you just let them like melt down. That's
how I always ate them. Yeah, because if you got
in the chewing on them, man, like, that's that's just
gonna be a bad day for you now here. You Yeah,
(09:46):
too much stick for the sticky, Yeah, too much sticky. Yeah,
you guys got that right, all right? Good thumbs up
for both of them. All right, So that's uh so well,
I hate that we got Lavars saying something there that's
the truth and it does it is true. I mean,
if you understand now raiders, but we worked with savages
and they try and pinpoint everything that's gets said. That's inappropriate.
(10:07):
I don't. I love saying things that you know, Berto
canne favor, you reuse. It's great, but I was just
talking about the now and later. Yes, that's all I agree.
What's your favorite candy growing up? Oh? Geez, like a
like a fruity candy, Like it doesn't matter. What was
your favorite candy grown up? What was What was your
go to candy when you went into the store. My
(10:30):
mom and I really like lemonheads, and because they were
always the cheapest. Lemonheads and red hots were like twenty
five cents a box, and that went a long way
where we came from. So we would always go like lemonheads.
They always were the cheapest ones because those would get
soft and then they could get a little bit chewy. Bert.
(10:50):
What was yours? Yeah, growing up? Favorite candy? Yeah? Um,
go to candy like Mom, I gotta have it, Like,
give me some cash, I'm going to the corner store Skittles. Skittles.
Yeah it's good lee. Uh, I guess I would. I
(11:15):
would eat a lot of tutsie rolls during Halloween, but
I wasn't really much to go get a stunner. Uh
milky way another shocker. Jeez, all right, is Eddie listening?
Is Eddie in? What was What was Eddie's favorite growing up?
Um Reese's peanut butter cups. Oh that's a good one. Yeah,
(11:37):
that's a good Yeah, that's always a built to this day,
still love them. Yeah. That that's the equivalent of saying
that jets finished in the last place. When you're not sure,
you just assume, oh yeah, that's that's a go too.
Like that that is. But if you suck on like
they they're the best. Yeah, you could fill that in
with so many different different words. That was real. I
(11:58):
thought that was in real time. I didn't realize. But
you suck on them like they're they're the best they
are and you know by the way sucking on them.
Um my favorite growing up? This This is this is
three all right? This one, one A and one B.
Number one was Jolly Ranchers. But it was the stick
(12:19):
before it became like the little block of candy that
that you you you eat now. They had a stick.
It was like like long, like it looked like almost
like my one my one uh lemon heads. Lemonheads are great. Yeah,
that was mine. She's going with lemon Yeah, yeah, it
was mine. Lemonheads was not not on my top. My
(12:40):
one one A, one B one one A was Jolly Joe's.
Y'all remember Jolly Joe's now strip club? No, they were
like like like no, they were like, she probably is
a strip club somewhere. That seems like one. No. No,
Jolly Joe's were like, uh, I can't explain it, but
(13:01):
they came in a box. I think you can still
get Jolly Joes. Like Jolly Joes were a great version
of Mike and Nikes. Okay, yeah, all right, that was
my That was my one A and then one bum
was Airheads. I loved airheads growing up. Yeah, airheads were
solid because the nkers were solid too. I don't know why.
(13:24):
I like zonker. Way are they called zonkers or bonkers?
I don't know. Bonkers they had like the the the
different color center and the outside was a different color
from the insides, like bonkers or a sonker let me see. Yeah, yeah,
I pick over in a minute. It could be some
East Coast candies. Yeah there as well, we're not familiar
with perhaps a little little four one two candy stories.
(13:46):
Is that really called Pittsburgh's Pittsburgh candy story there? Yeah,
they were called bonkers. Yes, yes, burno, Yes, I heard it.
I heard. I just was ignoring him. I heard him.
Oh man, I didn't know if it was going over
the air or not. It's always you never know. Yeah, yeah,
I wasn't sure if he was if he was taking
it over the air, so I just didn't respond to him.
(14:08):
But I heard both times. Well I think that'll pay.
They were called bonkers. Send picture of them, by the way,
that'll I think that concludes our coverage of the New
York Jets pursuit of Aaron Rodgers for the time being.
That's that's where we stand with the Aaron Rodgers pursued that.
You know, it's it's resulted if you suck on him
like they're the best. So it appropriate. Brady's going to
(14:33):
enjoy that when he comes back. Yeah, he's what the hell?
A lot of a lot of questions about where that started. Yeah,
it's very uncomfortable, but it is the truth. It is.
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headed elsewhere, possibly to another AFC team. We'll have that
(15:17):
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(15:38):
we'll call it a little over twenty minutes from now,
we're gonna talk about a story in the world of
sports that has a lot to do with this show.
A major move in sports that has a lot to
do with this show. It's yours again a little over
twenty minutes from Albert right now, we turn it over
to Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter at the MMQB. You
can get him on Twitter at Albert Brier. Always kind
enough to join us here every Thursday on FSR. Albert,
(16:01):
what's happening? Good morning up, Jonathan, just hanging out. Yeah,
So we're just we're trying. We're trying to get to
the bottom of this because and I'm sure you're sick
of talking about this and listen, we all would like
some sort of a resolution. But it feels like the
Jets are out making moves to maybe appease Aaron Rodgers
(16:23):
and maybe you know, appeal to him. Yet they haven't
exactly gotten Aaron Rodgers. Everything's been in the vicinity, just
not quite Rogers himself. So where do we stand when
it comes to the negotiations and the compensation disagreement that
the Packers and the Jets are currently having. Well, I
don't know, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't
think they need to appease Aaron Rodgers anymore. Right, Yeah,
(16:46):
he's already in fair point. They have to appease the packers,
So yeah, I mean, I think what they're doing is
they're building infrastructure around, um, you know, around the quarterback,
and they're putting receivers around the quarterback, and they're you know,
building the right sort of environment for the quarterback. And
(17:07):
now they just have to go get the quarterback, you know.
And I think one thing I would say is if
this were at the thirteenth pick of the draft, were
on the table, queen right, no qualifiers, no givebacks, nothing,
then I think this deal would be done. You know.
The disagreement is over how the deal looks, and I
(17:28):
think a lot of the disagreement centers on that thirteenth
overall pick. And the Jets have felt all wrong that
this was going to be maybe a second or a
third round pick this year and then a conditional pick
or picks down the line based on how he played
in twenty twenty thirty, maybe whether or not he plays
in twenty twenty four, you know. And so they've tried
(17:51):
to get creative and do different things. And look, I
don't think that Aaron Rodgers going on the MacAfee show
helped either, you know, because I from the Jet perspective,
it certainly seems like that's when the packers maybe drew
a harder line and this thing got a little bit
more contentious. So book like, the owners are are going
(18:13):
to gather in Arizona next week starting on Sunday, and
you know, maybe having you know, Mark Murphy and Woody
Johnson and Brian Goodacous and Joe Douglas and all those
guys in the same place will help. Um, you know,
but right now there's certainly the stalemate, and you know,
I think it's going to take I would say some
cooler heads for vailing to break that stalemate. Who stands
(18:39):
We had this conversation earlier in the show, ab who
stands to lose the most in this In this scenario,
I've put Green Bay at number one, I put Aaron
Rodgers at number two, and I'll put the Jets at
number three. See, I think the Jets have the most
to lose because if you've done all this and you
(19:02):
don't deliver Aaron Rodgers, where do you turn right now?
I mean, what do you do? Seriously? I feel like
Jimmy Garlo is off the market. Derek Carr's off the market.
You're driving, you're picking thirteenth overall? Um, you know, and
and and right now it looks like one, two and
four picking quarterbacks? Like I like, do you turn back
(19:23):
to Zach Waltson? Can you turn back to Zach Waltson?
I don't think so, right, do you? I mean, do
you trade for like Ryan Tannet? What do you do?
You know? So? But if you are, but if you're
Green Bay, ab you're you're keeping Aaron Rodgers contract because
there are no other suitors. You're keeping Aaron Rodgers contract.
Aaron Rodgers is what on your roster? What happens? Is
(19:47):
he now the starter? Is there a quarterback controversy? Now?
Is Jordan Love getting the team? Like that? Seems like
that's way more confused and rather, I mean their cupboard
isn't empty, it's full, but it's it's a problem for
whereas you're looking at the cupboard, is I guess half
empty or so? In in New York? I mean I
(20:09):
feel like it's it's way worse for for Green Bay
if this doesn't go through. Showing up though, or do
you think he's just retires yeah, why would he walk
away from that money? I would force up to release me.
But remember, like he's got to go through a full
training camp then, right, Like so like they can start
(20:31):
finding him if he doesn't show up for training camp, right,
And if he shows up for training camp, I'd agree,
it's a big mass. That's what I like. That's the
point I'm making. And Aaron Rodgers seems like he'd be
the type of dude like, hey, I'm reporting for service,
you know. Yeah, well you actually is exactly what Bret
Farm did. I believe, right, Yeah, so there you go.
So funny. People forget that Brett Farm actually showed up
(20:54):
training camp that year. It's pretty I think he was
he end like a side field or something like that.
Like and then this was really really weird. And and
then the second the second time, I think it was
Jared Allen and a couple other players flew into Mississippi
to court him to come the Vikings. Yeah, there was
(21:16):
all that. Yeah. Remember remember we had let the news
scoptors look like the Motor Games for Yes, yeah, I remember.
That was a good time. And here we are again,
yeah yeah, all these years later, I mean, look like LaVar,
here's the thing. I just think, like, if you really
want to look at like what this means for the
people in that organization, I do think like the Packers
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are unified here right where. I think if even if
this thing gets messy, like Brian Gooda comes to Matt before,
probably don't lose their job over it, because Mark Murphy's
and lockstep, right, if Robert Sala and Joe Douglas do
not deliver Aaron Rodgers, like then what happens to them?
You know what I mean? We're talking about the people
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in the organization. Like I do think like in the
very least, the Packers are in lockstep here. And I
don't think like Mark Murphy's gonna fire Brian Goodacoons or
Matt Lafleur if Aaron Rodgers decides to, you know, turn
this into a circus in the summer, whereas if Aaron
Rodgers isn't on the Jets roster, but there's a good
(22:20):
chance everybody's getting fired in ten months, you know. So
like I just I think that's where it is, and
I ultimately I do I do think like in the end,
a lot of this has become about and I think
it's about the Packers want to come wanting to come
out of this with their pound of flesh. The you know,
Aaron wanting to get back at the Packers, and you
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know the Jets are sort of just trying to get
to extract the quarterback out of there. You know, I
think ultimately some of the hard feelings here have to subside.
And that's always the way these things have worked too,
by the way, like you know when you talk about
that disaster, you know in Green Bay in the summer
twenty and eventually cooler heads prevailed they traded him to
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the Jets. So like I do think like we're eventually
gonna find like some level of compromise between the Packers
and Jets, because ultimately, like this really isn't even between
the Packers and Jets, this is between the Packers and
Aaron Rodgers, you know. And so like I think at
some point Aaron Rodgers goes to Mark Murphy with an
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all branch or vice versus, is like, let's just find
a way to create an exit for everybody from the situation,
because how do we lose them? Yeah, there it is
Albert Breer, Senior NiFi report at the MMQB, joining us
here on Fox Sports Radio. You can get him at
(23:47):
Twitter at Albert Breer. So I wanted to ask you
about the other quarterback that's battling for the offseason headlines
in the NFL, and that's Lamar Jackson and the Ravens.
I can't help but think that this has gotten and
maybe you know, I don't know if we're too far
down the road, but it feels like this has gotten
really personal, especially from Lamar's side, and the way that
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I take it, the Ravens aren't exactly thrilled that they
had to give the non exclusive tag to Lamar Jackson.
I just wonder from people you talk to, is there
is it possible to save this relationship for Lamar Jackson
and the Ravens without him getting everything he wants from
the organization From a contract standpoint, I think it's very unpredictable.
(24:35):
Like I just think because Lamar is representing himself in
this situation, because I think the people that are advising
Lamar are somewhat unpredictable because there's no track record there,
you know, Like it's not like we're talking about you know,
CIA or Athletes First or one of the big agencies here.
There's no track record on the people who are advising Lamar.
(25:00):
You know, I just think it's a very, very unpredictable situation.
And I think like one thing that really complicates it
beyond anything else, is like we're talking about a guy's
you know, the viability of a guy's career going forward,
his health right, and because that's that's a huge part
of all of this is the way that Lamar's put
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his body on the line for the franchise for the
last five years, and how that's made this more about
principles than about money. Because guys, if this was all
about money, I think he would have just taken the money,
you know what I mean. I think like what they
offered a top of the market traditional quarterback deal. Like,
if this is just about money, he's taken the nine
(25:43):
figures guaranteed and calling it a day. Right, So how
do you move off move a guy who was standing
on principal office spot. That's the really hard thing here,
you know, And I've always I felt like all along,
like the compromise would be where cousins type of deal,
you know where, and obviously bigger numbers, but you know,
(26:04):
thinking about Lamar's deals, Lamar's years fully guaranteed or at
Deshaun's dealt Deshaun Watsons deal is five years fully guaranteed.
Kirk Cousins deal was more or less like looked like
a regular quarterback deal with the non guaranteed years chopped off.
And then maybe you give him like a no tag provision,
so you say, hey, Lamar, we're gonna guarantee every dollar
(26:27):
we give you, and then at the end of this,
you're gonna have a no tag provision, so we have
no control over what happens with you after this deal
is done, and if you're still healthy and still playing
this way, you're gonna be able to hit the open market.
To me, like that would be the compromise. But you know, obviously,
you know, the Ravens and Lamar's side haven't been able
(26:49):
to find that middle ground. And you know, we'll see
what happens. Yeah, I just think it's so unpredictable because
of you know, how Lamar's handled this over the last
couple of years, and because he doesn't have traditional representation.
Maybe I wanted to move on, but I got to
ask this follow up to that, if this turns out
(27:11):
to be, you know, all of the accusations around colluding
and different things like that. I read in the one
article where the owners are working to not only keep
contracts un you know, obviously not guaranteed, but to put
a cap almost so to speak on what these quarterbacks
are making. If there's any validity to that, I mean,
(27:35):
will we be talking about the health of Joe Burrow
next year? Will we talk about you know, like, what
will be the next conversation, what's the next iteration of
conversations of what sounds like to me excuses? I mean all,
I mean, some of some of these these guys are
(27:56):
having surgeries, major surgeries, have had major injuries take place.
I don't think that that's justified for someone that is
a he's not debated as a franchise quarterback. He's undisputed
as a as a franchise he is a franchise guy.
Is this is this the pattern moving forward? Well, you
(28:18):
know what's so interesting about it, LaVar's like, you have
two organizations now they're gonna be involved in the East
over the next couple of years that aren't let's say
they aren't the most cash rich organizations. Right, So you
got Joe Burrow with the Bengals, right, and then you
have Justin Herbert with the Chargers, and like, whichever one
(28:39):
signs first presumably set the tone for the other. And
I think it'd be simply to think that those two
guys who are in the same draft class are talking.
And then on top of that, you have Jalen Hurts,
who just played his best game on the biggest stage,
you know, and you know, like I just like look
at the three of them and like where those contracts go,
(29:03):
and it's going to be really interesting to see because
the court You're right, the quarterback market is escalated to
the point where I mean we're talking about a team's
committing over twenty percent of their salary captain one player,
and like those players also, by the way, could take
the same stand the Lamar Jackson is taking. And if
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you're talking about like doing that with teams that aren't
all that cash wrench in the Bengals and Chargers and
having to put all that money in escrow, well that's
a problem too, you know. So I think a lot
of circumstances coming up here, circumstances like with the three
young quarterbacks, all of them are playing really well, all
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of whom are undisputed, like they're the guys for their organization. Now,
I think when you're talking about who's elite, like Joe
Burrows a little ahead of the other two, but all
three of those guys that positioned themselves get paid. And
you know, now, I think the questions who goes first?
And if the first one winds up getting a fully
guaranteed contract, how does that affect the other two? And um,
(30:10):
you know, I think these guys, these guys that they've
been together, have an opportunity to really push back and
change the dynamic for all players. The question is whether
or not they can do what they're going to do
that because I think we'd all be naive to think
that we'd all be naive not to think that the
owners are working together to set some degree on this
(30:32):
to try to prevent those guys from getting fully guaranteed contracts. Yeah,
it's pretty pretty interesting to see how this is going
to shape up the next year or so it is.
Albert Breer, Senior NFL reporter at the MMQB Get them
on Twitter at Albert Brier. Albert always appreciate a man.
Have a great rest of your Thursday, and we'll do
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(32:02):
it politically correct to say it's big pimping, big pimping? Yeah, well,
like uh, by the way, two pros and a cup
of Joe here Fox Sports Radio. When when a guy
in baseball it hits a home run and drops the
bat or kind of shows off a little bit, they
call it, yeah, he pimped that home run. So it
(32:23):
is weird how that became just like it okay, yeah,
because what does that really mean that he pimped that
home run? Like, did he like he knocked that bee
out of the ball that is out of the park. Yeah, well,
like you know, like the strut. You know, it is
interesting how the term pimp is now associated with cool,
(32:43):
you know, because you can't call the you can't call
your fruit of the loan, uh te tank top or whatever.
You can't call it a wife beater. You can't say it. No, no,
I mean yeah, but it's what he's calling it. That's
what he just didn't want. I just didn't want to
say it because it's now and proper to it's not
(33:04):
proper to say it. I just call it a ribbed
tank top. Now I don't use that term anymore, but
that I mean, I just don't understand, like I don't know,
but it's forever. Yeah, I know. But but pimp is okay, pimp, pimp,
the home run is okay. Like I mean, I guess interesting.
(33:24):
You know, it's just so our our society is so choosy, man.
We don't make the rules. We just gotta live vibe
apparently so choosing yet it is. It is odd what's
okay and what's not okay? Nowadays it's very interesting, all right.
So we are going to coming up in a little
over ten minutes from now from the Tirak Dot CoV Studios.
(33:46):
Somebody with intimate knowledge of a major story in the
NFL talked about it and they're making some very valid points,
points that we've been making on this show. So we'll
have that for you again a little over ten minutes
from now. But right now, it is time for the
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What's wrong with that little little love to a Penn
State from last week in the NCAA Tournament. I'm so
glad this is a short segment. Why what's some i'd understand?
All right, So you're probably wondering, why are we playing
a highlight from last week as our progressive play the day. Well,
as it turns out that win over Texas A and
M for we are hashtag we are the Penn State
(34:53):
Nitney Lions. Apparently that's going to go ahead and be
the final win of the coaching career or of the
great Micah Shrewsbury who is leaving Penn State for Notre Dame.
And that now now I feel like I'm a child
whose parents are going to be divorcing or getting in
(35:15):
a fight in front of me, because now I got
Shrewsbury leaving your school to go to Brady School. What
are we going to do about this? This is kind
of glad that that Q isn't on the show today
for this today today, like next week. Okay, like it
won't be as as new, it won't mean as much
(35:37):
to me. I'm over it by then. But today I
would be attacked by kind of like because you know,
you know, if if this was in reverse and somebody
had left no, oh yeah, laughing, god, we got your boy.
By the way, that was Westwood One on the call.
Want to make sure I cleared that out so we
(35:58):
don't get in trouble. But yeah, ah, we got your people.
So Shrewsbury was there for a couple of seasons. Cold
Blood Listen did a great job this year, as as
mentioned in the call there on Westwood One, first tournament
win in a long long time. He used us, and
then all of a sudden just went to Notre Dame
(36:20):
with Mike Bray leaving Mike Ray last seeing his Notre
Dame coach doing shots at Jamison at the Linebacker Lounge
and South Bend now on his way to into retirement.
And we've got Mike Shrewsbury who's heading over to South Bend. Now, hey,
come on, burno, geez, Is that is that like a
tremendous upgrade? It's not. I mean, Notre Dame is not
(36:46):
a powerhouse. Basketball program. But I mean, we're not a
powerhouse basketball program. I'm the seven year deal. It was
it was it was it a matter of the money
or is it a matter of he made a a
ascending like I would assume he wants to be an
NBA coach. He came from the NBA. I would assume
(37:08):
he wants to eventually be an NBA coach. He's also
from Indianapolis, So he's from Indiana and so that's what
So the thought is, you know, he can go back home. Um,
and that's you know, it puts him closer to where
he's from as opposed to Penn State. Now this isn't
as you wouldn't call this like Bill O'Brien leaving Penn State,
(37:29):
No would all right, that that whole Bill O'Brien thing
still just reeks of of just you know, user like
I don't. I think Shrewsbury came in and he put
the time in, He built the program to a point
(37:49):
of where they had one of their best seasons and
like who knows, like they said like twenty some thirty
some years or something something crazy. Um, you know, Bill
O'Brien was a front runner and and and I think
when when things were going to get to its toughest.
You know, he bailed the hell out of there, Like
(38:10):
he beat Cheeks up out of there. He wasn't willing
to stand and get in the trenches with the Penn
State community and build and rebuild. Um, he just he's
you know, he ran. Yeah, so I felt like it's
a little different. I mean, I'm not even comparing these two,
to be honest. Yeah, But unfortunately again I'm caught in
(38:31):
the middle now. As that's all good man, it's all good.
We'll have a whole weekend to get through it. You know,
Jilless Knock Show will be good, that is true. It
will be good about Monday. We won't even bring it up,
hopefully and not even just skip right past it. Yeah,
just talk, just talk Penn State wrestling. That's all the
more chance that you come to win. You know, we are,
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