June 13, 2023 • 38 mins
Following the Nuggets win in the Finals, Jonas rips the Miami Heat culture and praises the “Kroenke Dynasty.” LaVar doesn’t believe Cam Jordan is being overly critical in his diss of Kirk Cousins. Plus, the daily edition of “You In Or Out?”
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get it done last night in one of the worst
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looking basketball games in recent memory and recent history. Both
teams from three shot fourteen of sixty three.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
So it wasn't a pretty game, not ideal.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Denver missed ten free throws, a bunch of turnovers. Mike
Malone at one point late in that game was looking
at his team going just slow down, dude, like you
got him, It's this game's over. Just relax. Also, I
would say, I don't know if you saw the foul
call on Aaron Gordon. I believe where they reviewed it
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late in the game where Jimmy Butler threw his foot
out and they still stuck with the call on the
floor that it was a foul. That's one of the
worst calls I've ever seen in my life, and they
just stuck with it and said no call on the
floor stands. You know, he entered his natural motion. It's like, dude,
you got to be kidding me. And even like just
Van Gundy and Mark Jackson and those guys are like Yeah,
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they got it wrong.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
This is just wrong. That's a bad call. It's a
terrible call.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
So it felt like the NBA was trying to milk
a sixth game out of this series. But unfortunately the
little close Yeah, the the.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
You know, Miami, Miami had the lead out half. They
they seemingly were competitive throughout the third quarter, even though
it got evened up and then the lead switched changed
a few times. They had the lead at the end
of the third as well too, so it seemingly had
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that written all over it is that there was going
to be a Miami win and then the series would
be extended. So but it was an ugly game. I mean,
there were turnovers, the point totals were down, the assist
numbers were down, and it just seemed like what would
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cause a close out game to be so sloppy, you know,
because if Miami had taken advantage of the sloppy play,
like Denver took advantage of the sloppy play, then Miami
would have won that game. Miami should have been up more,
and I think Jalen Rose touched on that during the
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halftime show. They should have been up by much more
than what they were going in the halftime. They agree
it was just way too close for the way that
that Denver was playing, hitting in the halftime.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
That's the worst game Denver's played in weeks. And still
won still one and uh and and and hoisted a
trophy afterwards like it was there for the taking for Miami.
And and they just they just they don't they don't
have enough man like you just you.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Saw this and like one, they need a major one
more major player. Yeah, they're missing one more guy that
could be a difference maker.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Although I would say, and I think this is because
sometimes even though you don't win, I do think that
you do something that impacts not only your sport but
everybody around you. And I think what the Miami Heat
have done have provided hope. And what I mean by
that is that if you're a fan of an NFL
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team and people go through this, and if you're listening,
your your team may struggle this year, and everybody goes
through this from time to time to where it's getting
to a point in the season where you realize, we're
a bad team, we're not very good, and what is
our hope? What does our rallying cry? And the Miami
Heat have provided that for you, because my Miami, the
cool team, the cool kids. Everybody loves to kiss their ass.
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Everybody talks about heat culture. This team was two and
seven their final nine playoff games. Okay, so that's heat,
heat culture, hashtag it. And so if you're a fan
of an NFL team who through nine weeks has got
two wins on the year, coming up in a few months,
I just want you to know you could have a
cool little hashtag to go along with your run as
well too.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Can you imagine that?
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Yes, so, little little two and seven basketball from final
nine games hashtag heat culture. What about your crap? They
should change their logo to a piece of dog crap
with flames coming off at not a basketball.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
That's what they should do. I mean, but they made
it to the finals. I mean, come on, that's that's
quite an accomplishment. It's quite an accomplishment. And they came
up short. I mean, they came up short against the
Lakers when they made it before, they came up short
this time. You don't have a big three. You don't
have a Lebron, you don't have the Shame Waite, you
don't have a Chris Bosh, you don't have that with
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this group heat culture. My god, bam out of Bayou,
out of Bayo. He he showed that he's a guy
that could be if he can maintain the trajectory that
he showed he's on during this series, during the playoffs.
You know he's got a bright future ahead of him.
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Jimmy Butler, it's interesting. He's hemmy coffee line coming along?
How's that gonna do? Now? He's come under some some
pretty interesting criticism as of late, as though he's not
like what he's almost like fools gold, which I don't
find that to be true. I think Jimmy Butler is
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legitimately a max contract guy in this league. I think
he's a difference maker. I think he's a strong leader.
But then you ask yourself, where is that third guy?
Where's that third guy? You like? Sure, Lowry played well,
Larry played really well, but but Larry isn't like a
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big three. He's not a third guy.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Kevin Love is a name, but he's not a third guy.
Obviously he's off the bench, and then you just see
all these other like as a hero, he he was
the reason why. I don't know if that's the case.
Zelner was was was Is that how you say Cody
Cody was Zellar.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
He's like he'll fill in for Bam when Bam needs
a break breather like gave gave Vincent, Caleb Martin.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
They had good players. I think that they they have
some great role players on on Miami.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
And guys that are committed to playing defense. But when
they needed a basket, when they needed a bucket, there
just wasn't enough guys like Max Strews had a couple
of plays like, there wasn't enough guys. It just wasn't
And you see them against the team like Denver, and
there just was a level that Denver could get to
at so many layers that Miami could and get to
like and it's so like you just you're watching it.
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And that's why going into the series, I was like, yeah,
Denver in five, Like I just I didn't think it
was going to go very long. I think it probably
should have been a sweep if not for Denver was
kind of mailing it in in the second half of
that game two at home and everyone thought, oh man,
here here come the heat. And it's like, dude, like,
what what what are you watching? Like if you if
you're watching these two teams play. Denver's been the best
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team in the postseason the entire run, like they've been
the team that's been the most consistent, and Miami has
not played all that great going on for several games now,
Like they beat Boston in Game seven, man if Tatum
doesn't roll his ankle, who knows how that game goes,
like if tATu think that was the first possession of
that game. And then Denver fell apart in Game two
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late Mike Malone ripped him after the game and called
him out for it. And then you just you saw
how this series played out. It just felt like there
were two different levels of basketball. Denver was on one
side and then Miami was on another. And now you
see what happens with Miami. I also think, and to
Jimmy Butler's credit, they tried to bring up his ankle
issue because he you know, he tweaked his ankles earlier. Yeah,
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but in Jimmy Butler said, no, there's no excuse, Like
that's not an excuse, and Eric Eric Spolstra gave Denver
credit and all the credit they wanted.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
I just because they out they got out coach Mike
out coached Spoe and and and that's it is what
it is.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
I mean, didn't it seem to you like Jimmy Butler
was gassed at the end, like he he made a
late run, but for majority of that game he was
a non factor. He seemed like he'd run out of gas,
like it's been a long run for them. I mean,
there was a lot of carrying the load. Jimmy Butler
did a lot of load carrying and and he wasn't
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load managing. He was playing. And listen, they were over
they were overmatched. They were they were outmanned. I mean,
you look at what what Denver brings to the table.
They just it was crazy because you were seeing guys
like Calwell Pope like he was on the bench, Like
you were seeing guys that were starters.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
They were like sitting on the bench. So they they
showed that they had a level of talent that's deep
on on their on their roster. They were going into
their bench and using guys I mean Green comes out
and and and starts, you know, playing some really really
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valuable moments. Obviously a whilely Vet you mentioned earlier in
the show the things he's had to endure adversity wise,
to even be able to just play, and he was
making some He made like maybe one really critical cut
to the basket and and a nice finish that that
really set a tone. They had to get a time
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out after the play took place and try to regroup.
I just think that the game plan that Denver had
fit perfectly with their personnel against the personnel matchup of Miami,
and even in a sloppy game Jonas, they were able
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to come out on top just based upon the matchup, Yeah,
and the way the personnel was being used, the picking rolls,
all of the different things that played a part in
them being able to create the production to win the game.
And I think that that's purely what it came down to,
because that game was up for grabs for anybody to
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take the entirety. It was not a like, oh, this
is a dominant performance. You know, Denver was sloppy with
the ball. They were turning the ball over like crazy
early on in that game. Couldn't buy a three and
couldn't make a shot. Yeah, couldn't make a shot.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Now, Mike Malone, the head coach of the Denver Nuggets,
he's not satisfied the Denver Nuggets aren't satisfied because apparently
they're thinking big picture. Apparently they're thinking dynasty.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
And pat Riley said something many years ago. I used
to have it up on my board when I was
a head coach Sacramento, and I talked about the evolution
in this game and how you go from a nobody
to an upstart, and you go an upstart to a winner,
and a winner to a contender, and a contender to
a champion. And the last step is after a champion,
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is to be a dynasty. So we're not satisfied. We
accomplished something this franchise has never done before. But we
have a lot of young, talented players in that locker room,
and I think we just showed through sixteen playoff wins
what were capable of on the biggest age in the world.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Now if they're healthy. He's got a point.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
See somebody there already has a dynasty gone. That's Stan Kronky.
So Stan Kronky owns the Denver Nuggets. Listen to the
run he's been on the last eighteen months or so.
Rams won the Super Bowl the Colorado Mammoth of the
National Lacrosse League. They were the champions back in June
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of last year, the Colorado Avalanche one last year that matters,
and now the Denver Nuggets.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
It's a nice run.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
That's a hell of a run for stan Kronky, very
very popular guy in the city of Saint Louis by
the way, big big fans of stan Kronky and what
he did for their for their football team. But uh,
nonetheless that that is a little bit of a dynasty
type run there for stan Kronky. You imagine that, Like,
first of all, just being an owner of a team,
you're on another even the worst team in the league,
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you're on another level. But if you're rolling out championship
after championship after championship, like, do you feel obligated to
make the next championship ring better than the one before?
Or do you feel guilty because like maybe the Avalanche
looking at their championship ring and they don't have like
as big of a rocky mountain peak on top of
theirs as the Denver Nuggets do. Like, how do you
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think he designs these things? You got to you gotta
probably based off of the amount of money. Well, that
is not a championship ring.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
It's probably based off of the amount of money that
that franchise is bringing in, you know, and generally speaking,
you get one and that becomes the barometer for the
other ones, right you look at I can say from
being a fan of looking at so many different Super
Bowl rings that just didn't find its way to my hand,
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that they get bigger and bigger or better different like
what that Tampa Bay one had, like you could open
it up and see inside, like you know, it's just
it's just one of those things where I mean you
look at the difference between each New England Patriots super
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Bowl ring. You look at the first one to the
last one. I mean, it's their day and night now the.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
RAM super Bowl ring. And from my understanding, when you
opened it up, there was an N ninety five mask
inside of it, so you can actually pull it out
and use it for very creative saying like that was also.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Or maybe it had like a little bit of a
squirt of you know, hand sanitize.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
That like you open it up in a per Ral
bottle pops up super Bowl. So yes, that is So
that's the success rate for stan Krocky four championships. I mean,
I guess we're counting the Colorado Mammoth, but we'll call
it three. So he's got the Rams, he's got the Avalanche,
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and he's got the Denver Nuggets. By the way, does
Stan Krokey have a stake in a baseball team league?
Can you look that up? I don't believe he does.
I mean he should at this point. If you're going
to own three of the other ones, why wouldn't you
own a baseball team as well too. Let's go live
to our I happen to know what the W two's
look like for Stan Crokey insider lead to laugh of
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the latest league.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
Uh no, but there was a story back in this
is over ten years ago that Kronkey was approved as
a bidding finalist for the Dodgers. If you remember that,
Oh that would have been nice, man, if he had
the Dodgers as well too, going up against Magic in
his game. Yeah, oh interesting, that's a right. Magic is
too busy with a successful Twitter career. Yeah, always a
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fun following.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Magic's pretty successful and pretty much everything he's doing.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Yeah, for everything he's done business wise and basketball wise.
Not a worse person on Twitter than Magic Johnson.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Brutal, is it?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
I Mean, it's just like I think he's clowning everybody
at this point, I think it's just it's it's very dry.
It's like he's doing like just like an update, like
he's just giving do you have do you have.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Norm McDonald's updates? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Like, and I think he I think he's trolling people.
Now I'm convinced because that if you follow Magic's Twitter,
it's just what are you telling us?
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Dude? You're just reading the box scores? You so you
follow up score guy? Now I don't follow him. How
do you know? I just look it up? Like it
makes the rounds? Like, look at I can let me try.
Whatever he's doing is working then, right, And if you're
making the rounds on.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
It, Lee pull up Magic Johnson's Twitter account. Let me
take a guess. I just wanted to see if I
can guess what he wrote on Twitter following the game
last night? Did he send a tweet following the game
last night?
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Several tweets?
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Okay, all right, I'm gonna guess it's the Denver Nuggets
won this game despite playing their best basketball, and they're
capable of it because they're the best team. Congrats to
the city of Denver on your World championship. How close
am I?
Speaker 5 (17:21):
You're a little more wordy than Magic Johnson. At the
end of the day, the final series boils down to
the fact that the Nuggets are a more talented team
than the Heat.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Captain obvious is what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Well, thank you, yes, well Welle.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
Congratulations to the Nuggets, Yo Kitchen Murray.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Actually no, that's not the one I wanted. Congratulations to
Stan Cronky.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
He won a Super Bowl with the Rams, Stanley Cup
with the Avalanche, and now an NBA Championship with the Nuggets.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Yeah. I think he didn't even he didn't even didn't.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Count the Colorado mannis Yeah, that's fun, fortunate, a lot
of shade at lacrosse. But yeah, listen, I think Magic,
I think he's trolling people. I think he does this
on purpose. And if that's the case, good for him.
Keep on doing it. It is Two Pros and a
Cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox
with you here, all right, it's coming up next somebody
with some strong words for a quarterback in the NFL,
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We are going to close up shop here on a
Tuesday morning, another edition of You In or You Out,
and it'll be yours here again twenty minutes from now
here on FSR. SO, this story was making the rounds
recently that apparently Cam Jordan taking a shit shot at
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your guy Kirk Cousins. A guy Kirk Cousins who started
his career when LeVar Arrington was still in d C,
you know, making the rounds, setting records on radio.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Came in when uh RG three say, same drafts, a
backup which which by the way is still the nuts
on the Shanahans when Daniel Snyder was all about and then.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
They're like, oh, no problem, Kirk Cousins, you could have him,
and they went till the fourth route. They took Kirk
Cousins and he's at edge and starting, yes, being the
better quarterback and having the better career.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
I don't know that he was better. He just stayed healthy.
RG three got too close to the sun. Yeah yeah,
them them wax wax wings got burnt off by the
by some great name to lod Nada. Yeah yeah. And
then never the same, never the same.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Never, And then I wasn't fully recovered in that playoff game,
right because that's when he tweaked his knee on the
Saggi turf.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
There was just never the same. Yeah. And that was grass,
by the way, yeah, natural grass. Yeah. I'm just saying,
I mean, I'm not trying to be a contrary, and
obviously I do the reads, but I'm just saying, injuries happen. Man.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
So Cam Jordan of the New Orleans Saints, who's had
a tremendous career, he decided. And by the way, Cam
Jordan's dad played for the Vikings back in the day.
And so Cam Jordan was talking at the Von Miller
Pass Rush Summit in Las Vegas recently, and he was
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making a comparison and talking about what pass rushers like
when it comes to quarterbacks, and decided this was the
ample time to take a little bit of a dig
at one, Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 7 (20:45):
In this game, you, like everybody knows, a fast wrong
decision gets to be a right decision and a fast
right decision. You're here a winner and a slow right decision.
Get your ass on a beach, because there's somebody out
here there's gonna be moving at a different speed.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Right decisions. We love him.
Speaker 7 (21:01):
Call him Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Wow, yeah, little shots fired. Slow right decisions. Now, some
people would call that deliberate. Yeah, you know, slow correct
you know decisions, that's you're deliberate. I think the faster
you speed up a correct decision is decisive. You know.
Remember we were talking to.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
God when we were at Bourbon and Bones and Jesse
Jesse Loketta came by and he was talking about playing
against Tom Brady, and Jesse Loketta, who plays for the Cardinals, said,
you can't get to him.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
He said, he was happy that he was able to
get a hand on him. He just can't get to me.
He said.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
The ball comes out of Tom Brady's hands so fast
that it's almost impossible. And so the fact that he
was even able to just touch him, he was like, Oh,
I thought that was a win.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
It wasn't even like that college man. I had so
much fun with Tom Brady in college. I mean, they
beat us, but I was getting my man. I don't know.
It's just it's weird because when people, when people assess
and evaluate the players that they're going to play, you
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make book on what it is that that you're going
to be able to do and and how that's going
to take place, and you know, for for us, for us,
I can just recall if you could get Troy off
of his first and this was my rookie year. It
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was like, if you could get Troy off of his
first target, Troy Troy Aikman, which that's keeping my age away.
He's on a new target now.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Anyways, I wouldn't worry about it, Okay, I know if
you saw those reports, Nope.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
I'll ask you off air, not even going to do
I'm just gonna ask you. Uh, let's change quarterbacks. I
could say put it to you like this. There were
quarterbacks where you know, if it was a Mike Vick,
get Mike off of his first read, and Mike is
gonna he's gonna pump fake you and he's gonna pull
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the ball down and and he most likely is going
to take off. We tested that theory in preseason one
year and they ended up pulling him out because we
was destroying him. You get you get guys like I
don't know Peyton Manning and then and and our idea
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was you got to get in his throwing lanes. Uh,
you gotta you gotta try to hold hold your looks
pre snap because he's he does so well with breaking
down and analyzing what a defense is going to do,
and he can tell by your alignments if you're rushing,
who's rushing, what the coverage is going to be, and
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he generally is is able to put the receivers or
put the put the running back in the right place
to make you know, really really good plays. So it's
like kind of like can you outmaneuver guys like a
tom or you know, Peyton Manning and you just make
book on it, Like every single time you see a guy,
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or if you play against the guy and you know
somebody that you're close with that has you know they
might be in the same division or whatever it may be,
you call him up and you ask like, what are
his tendencies? What are you What is what works best,
whether it's the tackle that's protecting him. What whether it's
the snap count, like it goes as deep as you
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you can go into there are there were certain quarterbacks
for a moment in time where it was a pretty
standard way of making your play call and it was
based off of the colors on the flag, And if
they audibled and they said red, it was on first sound.
If they say it white, it was on second sound.
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If they said blue, it was on the third sound.
And if you had made book of the fact that
that's what they did when they audibled, or if they
came up to the line and that's what the quarterback
was saying, you knew what snap count that it was
being called on. And that was a very real thing
for a little bit of time with certain players. So
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you just it's just it's just one of those things.
I don't know that that was so much an insult
on Kirk Cousins. I just think that Cam Jordan probably
looks at the way Kirk Cousins plays and the tendency
that he has given and.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Would rather face him than somebody else. Correct, Yeah, correct,
that's all that is. That's what when people were like, oh,
he's throwing shade at Kirk Cousins, like even went on
Twitter and just said Kirk can be stellar and have
stellar games, Like that's not you know.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Like if he doesn't have somebody who's playing and decision
making at a faster pace and at a faster level
than he is, like basically what he says.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
And like you pointed out, and you've talked about this before,
like there are certain quarterbacks who when they're mobile quarterbacks,
it just keeps you uneasy the entire time because you're
not sure whether you could do everything right and they
take their all that predicted.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
You can't predict other than the fact that you know
they're going to run, but you can't predict where they're
going to run. You don't you can't predict when they're
going to run.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
I can't even imagine what it was like dealing with
Michael Vick in his prime, and.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Like you got to play him like a punt and
and everybody has to be disciplined because the thing about
it is there's only about one or two, maybe three
at the most, probably like one or two that's close
to him that can catch him. So if you're a
defensive end and you know you don't have the speed
to catch them. Stay in your got dang lane, Do
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not get out of your lane, get your your your
o lineman, get your hands on him and create a wall.
We're gonna blitz this man with one of the guys
that can catch him, or we're going like even trying
to to spy him. You're too far away. You can't
spy mike Vic, like you put a spy on him.
(27:15):
Uh you know, I spied him. I was like three
yards off the ball and had to follow him wherever
he went. It wasn't that wasn't gonna work. I'm too
far away. So you gotta you gotta flush him to
where you want him to be, and everybody has to
be in cahoots on making sure that he ends up
where he's supposed to be. And that's how it works,
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and that's how we were able to get If you
go back to I forget what it was, what preseason
it was, but they came to Washington and we were
thrashing him. And it's all because we we we did
exactly what it is. And you don't generally game plan
too big in preseason games, but we game plan for
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mike Vic and we came out and we said, look,
we're gonna flush him, and if LeVar doesn't get him,
I mean that's going to be a busted play because
the only other guys that were going to be able
to catch them were generally like at cornerback or safety,
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and it wasn't a guarantee that they would be able
to catch him either because they're too far away. So
you don't want to have to deal with a guy
like a Lamar Jackson. Like to put it in terms
of people so they can understand it, and that's recent.
Lamar Jackson is hell to deal with because you have
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to cover the and now with RPOs. Like if offenses
had evolved to where they are now and how they
ran now with Mike Vick, Mike Vick would still be
the most dynamic running quarterback, running passing quarterback in the league.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Me today, as a pass rusher, would you rather deal
with justin Fields or Joe Burrow as a pass rusher? Again,
I think there's so many misconceptions on a running quarterback,
a mobile quarterback versus a station in which Joe Burrow
can actually run back.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Yeah, but he's not a justin fields guy.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Yeah, he's not.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
He's not going to he's not going to beat you
in a gang with his legs so like.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
And I think that's the part that people miss on this.
This is a pass rush summit. He's looking at it
from the eyes of a pass rusher. And I could
totally understand why you would say and and then this
is not saying that he said this, but I can
understand him saying I would rather face a guy like
a Joe Burrow and.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Has to use their brain. Yes as it applies. Now listen,
now this is very critical because this is generally how
people kind of categorize and separate and almost destroy the
narrative of a running quarterback, a mobile quarterback being intelligent.
What differentiates a running mobile quarterback from a pocket passing
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quarterback is their intellect has to be used. The mobile quarterback.
Their intellect is being used to say, can I find
somewhere to throw the ball? Who am I looking at?
What's my progressions? Now? It's where are the holes? Where
are the holes in this defense? And where do I
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pull the ball down? And when do I run? If
I am not, If I am a non mobile quarterback,
your intellect and your IQ is telling you the only
way I run is to get out of bounce, to
get out of the sack the sack zone so that
I can throw the ball away without an intentional grounding,
or to try to get a first down because I
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only got to run like two three yards. Their IQ
is being used to figure out where they can deliver
the ball, and the defenders know that. The defenders know
that this guy is not going to run away. It's
a very different proposition. The intellect is not not any
more or any less with the mobile quarterback versus the
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pocket passing quarterback. It's just that their intellect and their
IQ have to be applied differently. In a matter of
like split seconds. It's very very quick, and so the
intellect is used differently because your mechanism of safety and
your mechanism of production and your mechanism of having success
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on that play is depending on what you do best.
And that's what separates the two. So a pass rusher
one hundred percent wants to deal with a non mobile
quarterback and one who is more of a thoughtful quarterback
with their progressions versus a guy that'll pull the ball
down and buy more time by being able to run
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around and be mobile. That's just simple mass and it's
not shade either.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
It's just people try and stir this stuff up, and like, look,
Kirk Cousins is a better quarterback justin fields, but they'd
probably rather pass rush against kirk Cousins than a justin fields.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
There was nothing that I took from his stage. That's
it that he's this dumb, slow thinking quarterback that tries
to make the right decisions all the time. That's why
I love playing against him. He basically said, he has
to think a little bit longer and a little bit harder,
and he has to be correct on who he's going
to throw the ball to. Otherwise they're not going to
have success on the offensive side because he's not going
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to run for their success.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
And listen, kirk Cousins doing something right. His only playoff
win was in New Orleans.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Now you don't have Dalvin Cook, so now you're going
to have You're going to have to you know, I
execute even differently.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Yeah, I just think, like the moral of the story
is a mobile quarterback will definitely give you heartburn.
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Speaker 3 (35:25):
All right? Lead to lat What do we got guys?
Speaker 5 (35:28):
You know I always look up birthdays, so today happy
birthday to Steve O. Chris Evans and I found this interesting,
they pointed out to Mary Kate Olsen, leaving out Ashley Olsen.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
Why not Ashley Olson? I don't know. I think it
was just the website I was on.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
They forgot they uh.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Well, make sure maybe they don't. Maybe one was born
at like eleven fifty five, you go, or like after midnight? Yeah,
there you go.
Speaker 5 (35:50):
I have to admit, I, uh, I have some friends
who are twins and I went to their birthday party,
and I'm more friends with one than the other, and
I said, hey, happy birthday, but I kind of forgot
to say happy birthday to the other.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Oh well, that's just because you're an a hole. That's
that's true.
Speaker 5 (36:03):
I mean I really it took me just a second
and a half to realize that. I was like, oh, yeah,
and a happy birthday to you too. What else, guys,
we talked fickleball a bunch today. Another thing out there.
AX throwing It quite the trend out there. It's National
X throwing Day. You guys ever go to see. I've
never done it, but I would do it. I would
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definitely do it.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Yeah. It bounce back almost impaled me.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Really, yeah, because like if you don't you got to
throw it, Like there is a little bit of a
technique to it, but it'll bounce back at you. And
and they'll say, well, you've got these like pathways that
will protect it. It's like, yeah, well it's not protecting
you when it when it flies back, Like, yeah, you've
got your own little pathway. But things got a mind
of its own, and if it picks up some momentum
(36:51):
on the ground it, you know, it's a problem.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Plus you're dream sound like uh Ben Stiller in a
long game, like you're taking the risk versus the whole
risk assessment deal. And the problem is you drink while
you do it, and so judgment is a little bit
of an issue. Like you'll see these these weirdos who go.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Two hands over the top, they throw and it's like, man, like,
wasn't it the kicker from Minnesota back in the day
that like cut like chopped his leg with the axe
like Paul Bunyan's axe. He went to go celebrate and
hit his He like put a gash in his own leg.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Like, so I always think of that, like that could
be a problem.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Okay, handsome extreme. I'm just letting you know. You go
to the most extreme of the stream. So that's Paul good.
But else something I already know.
Speaker 5 (37:38):
Levar's out on Bill Wattin's thirty for three, Art three,
I'm the luckiest guy in the world.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
I'm out as well too. It's like, are you flex him?
Like you want people to watch you? Like your title
is a flex? He gets four part? He gets why
does Bill Waldon have a four part series? I don't know.
I did watch. Does everyone think they can do the
last stance? Is that what this is? That's what it
sounds like. Yeah, come on, man. Although I did watch
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Arnold Schwarzenegger and and h Connor McGregor and they were
pretty dope. Arnold Jack, Yeah, it's pretty dope, dude.
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looking basketball games in recent memory and recent history. Both
teams from three shot fourteen of sixty three.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
So it wasn't a pretty game, not ideal.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Denver missed ten free throws, a bunch of turnovers. Mike
Malone at one point late in that game was looking
at his team going just slow down, dude, like you
got him, It's this game's over. Just relax. Also, I
would say, I don't know if you saw the foul
call on Aaron Gordon. I believe where they reviewed it
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late in the game where Jimmy Butler threw his foot
out and they still stuck with the call on the
floor that it was a foul. That's one of the
worst calls I've ever seen in my life, and they
just stuck with it and said no call on the
floor stands. You know, he entered his natural motion. It's like, dude,
you got to be kidding me. And even like just
Van Gundy and Mark Jackson and those guys are like Yeah,
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they got it wrong.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
This is just wrong. That's a bad call. It's a
terrible call.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
So it felt like the NBA was trying to milk
a sixth game out of this series. But unfortunately the
little close Yeah, the the.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
You know, Miami, Miami had the lead out half. They
they seemingly were competitive throughout the third quarter, even though
it got evened up and then the lead switched changed
a few times. They had the lead at the end
of the third as well too, so it seemingly had
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that written all over it is that there was going
to be a Miami win and then the series would
be extended. So but it was an ugly game. I mean,
there were turnovers, the point totals were down, the assist
numbers were down, and it just seemed like what would
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cause a close out game to be so sloppy, you know,
because if Miami had taken advantage of the sloppy play,
like Denver took advantage of the sloppy play, then Miami
would have won that game. Miami should have been up more,
and I think Jalen Rose touched on that during the
(03:41):
halftime show. They should have been up by much more
than what they were going in the halftime. They agree
it was just way too close for the way that
that Denver was playing, hitting in the halftime.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
That's the worst game Denver's played in weeks. And still
won still one and uh and and and hoisted a
trophy afterwards like it was there for the taking for Miami.
And and they just they just they don't they don't
have enough man like you just you.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Saw this and like one, they need a major one
more major player. Yeah, they're missing one more guy that
could be a difference maker.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Although I would say, and I think this is because
sometimes even though you don't win, I do think that
you do something that impacts not only your sport but
everybody around you. And I think what the Miami Heat
have done have provided hope. And what I mean by
that is that if you're a fan of an NFL
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team and people go through this, and if you're listening,
your your team may struggle this year, and everybody goes
through this from time to time to where it's getting
to a point in the season where you realize, we're
a bad team, we're not very good, and what is
our hope? What does our rallying cry? And the Miami
Heat have provided that for you, because my Miami, the
cool team, the cool kids. Everybody loves to kiss their ass.
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Everybody talks about heat culture. This team was two and
seven their final nine playoff games. Okay, so that's heat,
heat culture, hashtag it. And so if you're a fan
of an NFL team who through nine weeks has got
two wins on the year, coming up in a few months,
I just want you to know you could have a
cool little hashtag to go along with your run as
well too.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Can you imagine that?
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Yes, so, little little two and seven basketball from final
nine games hashtag heat culture. What about your crap? They
should change their logo to a piece of dog crap
with flames coming off at not a basketball.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
That's what they should do. I mean, but they made
it to the finals. I mean, come on, that's that's
quite an accomplishment. It's quite an accomplishment. And they came
up short. I mean, they came up short against the
Lakers when they made it before, they came up short
this time. You don't have a big three. You don't
have a Lebron, you don't have the Shame Waite, you
don't have a Chris Bosh, you don't have that with
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this group heat culture. My god, bam out of Bayou,
out of Bayo. He he showed that he's a guy
that could be if he can maintain the trajectory that
he showed he's on during this series, during the playoffs.
You know he's got a bright future ahead of him.
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Jimmy Butler, it's interesting. He's hemmy coffee line coming along?
How's that gonna do? Now? He's come under some some
pretty interesting criticism as of late, as though he's not
like what he's almost like fools gold, which I don't
find that to be true. I think Jimmy Butler is
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legitimately a max contract guy in this league. I think
he's a difference maker. I think he's a strong leader.
But then you ask yourself, where is that third guy?
Where's that third guy? You like? Sure, Lowry played well,
Larry played really well, but but Larry isn't like a
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big three. He's not a third guy.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Kevin Love is a name, but he's not a third guy.
Obviously he's off the bench, and then you just see
all these other like as a hero, he he was
the reason why. I don't know if that's the case.
Zelner was was was Is that how you say Cody
Cody was Zellar.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
He's like he'll fill in for Bam when Bam needs
a break breather like gave gave Vincent, Caleb Martin.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
They had good players. I think that they they have
some great role players on on Miami.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
And guys that are committed to playing defense. But when
they needed a basket, when they needed a bucket, there
just wasn't enough guys like Max Strews had a couple
of plays like, there wasn't enough guys. It just wasn't
And you see them against the team like Denver, and
there just was a level that Denver could get to
at so many layers that Miami could and get to
like and it's so like you just you're watching it.
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And that's why going into the series, I was like, yeah,
Denver in five, Like I just I didn't think it
was going to go very long. I think it probably
should have been a sweep if not for Denver was
kind of mailing it in in the second half of
that game two at home and everyone thought, oh man,
here here come the heat. And it's like, dude, like,
what what what are you watching? Like if you if
you're watching these two teams play. Denver's been the best
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team in the postseason the entire run, like they've been
the team that's been the most consistent, and Miami has
not played all that great going on for several games now,
Like they beat Boston in Game seven, man if Tatum
doesn't roll his ankle, who knows how that game goes,
like if tATu think that was the first possession of
that game. And then Denver fell apart in Game two
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late Mike Malone ripped him after the game and called
him out for it. And then you just you saw
how this series played out. It just felt like there
were two different levels of basketball. Denver was on one
side and then Miami was on another. And now you
see what happens with Miami. I also think, and to
Jimmy Butler's credit, they tried to bring up his ankle
issue because he you know, he tweaked his ankles earlier. Yeah,
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but in Jimmy Butler said, no, there's no excuse, Like
that's not an excuse, and Eric Eric Spolstra gave Denver
credit and all the credit they wanted.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
I just because they out they got out coach Mike
out coached Spoe and and and that's it is what
it is.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
I mean, didn't it seem to you like Jimmy Butler
was gassed at the end, like he he made a
late run, but for majority of that game he was
a non factor. He seemed like he'd run out of gas,
like it's been a long run for them. I mean,
there was a lot of carrying the load. Jimmy Butler
did a lot of load carrying and and he wasn't
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load managing. He was playing. And listen, they were over
they were overmatched. They were they were outmanned. I mean,
you look at what what Denver brings to the table.
They just it was crazy because you were seeing guys
like Calwell Pope like he was on the bench, Like
you were seeing guys that were starters.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
They were like sitting on the bench. So they they
showed that they had a level of talent that's deep
on on their on their roster. They were going into
their bench and using guys I mean Green comes out
and and and starts, you know, playing some really really
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valuable moments. Obviously a whilely Vet you mentioned earlier in
the show the things he's had to endure adversity wise,
to even be able to just play, and he was
making some He made like maybe one really critical cut
to the basket and and a nice finish that that
really set a tone. They had to get a time
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out after the play took place and try to regroup.
I just think that the game plan that Denver had
fit perfectly with their personnel against the personnel matchup of Miami,
and even in a sloppy game Jonas, they were able
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to come out on top just based upon the matchup, Yeah,
and the way the personnel was being used, the picking rolls,
all of the different things that played a part in
them being able to create the production to win the game.
And I think that that's purely what it came down to,
because that game was up for grabs for anybody to
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take the entirety. It was not a like, oh, this
is a dominant performance. You know, Denver was sloppy with
the ball. They were turning the ball over like crazy
early on in that game. Couldn't buy a three and
couldn't make a shot. Yeah, couldn't make a shot.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Now, Mike Malone, the head coach of the Denver Nuggets,
he's not satisfied the Denver Nuggets aren't satisfied because apparently
they're thinking big picture. Apparently they're thinking dynasty.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
And pat Riley said something many years ago. I used
to have it up on my board when I was
a head coach Sacramento, and I talked about the evolution
in this game and how you go from a nobody
to an upstart, and you go an upstart to a winner,
and a winner to a contender, and a contender to
a champion. And the last step is after a champion,
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is to be a dynasty. So we're not satisfied. We
accomplished something this franchise has never done before. But we
have a lot of young, talented players in that locker room,
and I think we just showed through sixteen playoff wins
what were capable of on the biggest age in the world.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Now if they're healthy. He's got a point.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
See somebody there already has a dynasty gone. That's Stan Kronky.
So Stan Kronky owns the Denver Nuggets. Listen to the
run he's been on the last eighteen months or so.
Rams won the Super Bowl the Colorado Mammoth of the
National Lacrosse League. They were the champions back in June
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of last year, the Colorado Avalanche one last year that matters,
and now the Denver Nuggets.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
It's a nice run.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
That's a hell of a run for stan Kronky, very
very popular guy in the city of Saint Louis by
the way, big big fans of stan Kronky and what
he did for their for their football team. But uh,
nonetheless that that is a little bit of a dynasty
type run there for stan Kronky. You imagine that, Like,
first of all, just being an owner of a team,
you're on another even the worst team in the league,
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you're on another level. But if you're rolling out championship
after championship after championship, like, do you feel obligated to
make the next championship ring better than the one before?
Or do you feel guilty because like maybe the Avalanche
looking at their championship ring and they don't have like
as big of a rocky mountain peak on top of
theirs as the Denver Nuggets do. Like, how do you
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think he designs these things? You got to you gotta
probably based off of the amount of money. Well, that
is not a championship ring.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
It's probably based off of the amount of money that
that franchise is bringing in, you know, and generally speaking,
you get one and that becomes the barometer for the
other ones, right you look at I can say from
being a fan of looking at so many different Super
Bowl rings that just didn't find its way to my hand,
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that they get bigger and bigger or better different like
what that Tampa Bay one had, like you could open
it up and see inside, like you know, it's just
it's just one of those things where I mean you
look at the difference between each New England Patriots super
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Bowl ring. You look at the first one to the
last one. I mean, it's their day and night now the.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
RAM super Bowl ring. And from my understanding, when you
opened it up, there was an N ninety five mask
inside of it, so you can actually pull it out
and use it for very creative saying like that was also.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Or maybe it had like a little bit of a
squirt of you know, hand sanitize.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
That like you open it up in a per Ral
bottle pops up super Bowl. So yes, that is So
that's the success rate for stan Krocky four championships. I mean,
I guess we're counting the Colorado Mammoth, but we'll call
it three. So he's got the Rams, he's got the Avalanche,
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and he's got the Denver Nuggets. By the way, does
Stan Krokey have a stake in a baseball team league?
Can you look that up? I don't believe he does.
I mean he should at this point. If you're going
to own three of the other ones, why wouldn't you
own a baseball team as well too. Let's go live
to our I happen to know what the W two's
look like for Stan Crokey insider lead to laugh of
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the latest league.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
Uh no, but there was a story back in this
is over ten years ago that Kronkey was approved as
a bidding finalist for the Dodgers. If you remember that,
Oh that would have been nice, man, if he had
the Dodgers as well too, going up against Magic in
his game. Yeah, oh interesting, that's a right. Magic is
too busy with a successful Twitter career. Yeah, always a
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fun following.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Magic's pretty successful and pretty much everything he's doing.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Yeah, for everything he's done business wise and basketball wise.
Not a worse person on Twitter than Magic Johnson.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Brutal, is it?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
I Mean, it's just like I think he's clowning everybody
at this point, I think it's just it's it's very dry.
It's like he's doing like just like an update, like
he's just giving do you have do you have.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Norm McDonald's updates? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Like, and I think he I think he's trolling people.
Now I'm convinced because that if you follow Magic's Twitter,
it's just what are you telling us?
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Dude? You're just reading the box scores? You so you
follow up score guy? Now I don't follow him. How
do you know? I just look it up? Like it
makes the rounds? Like, look at I can let me try.
Whatever he's doing is working then, right, And if you're
making the rounds on.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
It, Lee pull up Magic Johnson's Twitter account. Let me
take a guess. I just wanted to see if I
can guess what he wrote on Twitter following the game
last night? Did he send a tweet following the game
last night?
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Several tweets?
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Okay, all right, I'm gonna guess it's the Denver Nuggets
won this game despite playing their best basketball, and they're
capable of it because they're the best team. Congrats to
the city of Denver on your World championship. How close
am I?
Speaker 5 (17:21):
You're a little more wordy than Magic Johnson. At the
end of the day, the final series boils down to
the fact that the Nuggets are a more talented team
than the Heat.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Captain obvious is what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Well, thank you, yes, well Welle.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
Congratulations to the Nuggets, Yo Kitchen Murray.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Actually no, that's not the one I wanted. Congratulations to
Stan Cronky.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
He won a Super Bowl with the Rams, Stanley Cup
with the Avalanche, and now an NBA Championship with the Nuggets.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Yeah. I think he didn't even he didn't even didn't.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Count the Colorado mannis Yeah, that's fun, fortunate, a lot
of shade at lacrosse. But yeah, listen, I think Magic,
I think he's trolling people. I think he does this
on purpose. And if that's the case, good for him.
Keep on doing it. It is Two Pros and a
Cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox
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with some strong words for a quarterback in the NFL,
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Speaker 1 (18:37):
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We are going to close up shop here on a
Tuesday morning, another edition of You In or You Out,
and it'll be yours here again twenty minutes from now
here on FSR. SO, this story was making the rounds
recently that apparently Cam Jordan taking a shit shot at
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your guy Kirk Cousins. A guy Kirk Cousins who started
his career when LeVar Arrington was still in d C,
you know, making the rounds, setting records on radio.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Came in when uh RG three say, same drafts, a
backup which which by the way is still the nuts
on the Shanahans when Daniel Snyder was all about and then.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
They're like, oh, no problem, Kirk Cousins, you could have him,
and they went till the fourth route. They took Kirk
Cousins and he's at edge and starting, yes, being the
better quarterback and having the better career.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
I don't know that he was better. He just stayed healthy.
RG three got too close to the sun. Yeah yeah,
them them wax wax wings got burnt off by the
by some great name to lod Nada. Yeah yeah. And
then never the same, never the same.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Never, And then I wasn't fully recovered in that playoff game,
right because that's when he tweaked his knee on the
Saggi turf.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
There was just never the same. Yeah. And that was grass,
by the way, yeah, natural grass. Yeah. I'm just saying,
I mean, I'm not trying to be a contrary, and
obviously I do the reads, but I'm just saying, injuries happen. Man.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
So Cam Jordan of the New Orleans Saints, who's had
a tremendous career, he decided. And by the way, Cam
Jordan's dad played for the Vikings back in the day.
And so Cam Jordan was talking at the Von Miller
Pass Rush Summit in Las Vegas recently, and he was
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making a comparison and talking about what pass rushers like
when it comes to quarterbacks, and decided this was the
ample time to take a little bit of a dig
at one, Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 7 (20:45):
In this game, you, like everybody knows, a fast wrong
decision gets to be a right decision and a fast
right decision. You're here a winner and a slow right decision.
Get your ass on a beach, because there's somebody out
here there's gonna be moving at a different speed.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Right decisions. We love him.
Speaker 7 (21:01):
Call him Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Wow, yeah, little shots fired. Slow right decisions. Now, some
people would call that deliberate. Yeah, you know, slow correct
you know decisions, that's you're deliberate. I think the faster
you speed up a correct decision is decisive. You know.
Remember we were talking to.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
God when we were at Bourbon and Bones and Jesse
Jesse Loketta came by and he was talking about playing
against Tom Brady, and Jesse Loketta, who plays for the Cardinals, said,
you can't get to him.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
He said, he was happy that he was able to
get a hand on him. He just can't get to me.
He said.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
The ball comes out of Tom Brady's hands so fast
that it's almost impossible. And so the fact that he
was even able to just touch him, he was like, Oh,
I thought that was a win.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
It wasn't even like that college man. I had so
much fun with Tom Brady in college. I mean, they
beat us, but I was getting my man. I don't know.
It's just it's weird because when people, when people assess
and evaluate the players that they're going to play, you
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make book on what it is that that you're going
to be able to do and and how that's going
to take place, and you know, for for us, for us,
I can just recall if you could get Troy off
of his first and this was my rookie year. It
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was like, if you could get Troy off of his
first target, Troy Troy Aikman, which that's keeping my age away.
He's on a new target now.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Anyways, I wouldn't worry about it, Okay, I know if
you saw those reports, Nope.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
I'll ask you off air, not even going to do
I'm just gonna ask you. Uh, let's change quarterbacks. I
could say put it to you like this. There were
quarterbacks where you know, if it was a Mike Vick,
get Mike off of his first read, and Mike is
gonna he's gonna pump fake you and he's gonna pull
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the ball down and and he most likely is going
to take off. We tested that theory in preseason one
year and they ended up pulling him out because we
was destroying him. You get you get guys like I
don't know Peyton Manning and then and and our idea
(23:41):
was you got to get in his throwing lanes. Uh,
you gotta you gotta try to hold hold your looks
pre snap because he's he does so well with breaking
down and analyzing what a defense is going to do,
and he can tell by your alignments if you're rushing,
who's rushing, what the coverage is going to be, and
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he generally is is able to put the receivers or
put the put the running back in the right place
to make you know, really really good plays. So it's
like kind of like can you outmaneuver guys like a
tom or you know, Peyton Manning and you just make
book on it, Like every single time you see a guy,
(24:26):
or if you play against the guy and you know
somebody that you're close with that has you know they
might be in the same division or whatever it may be,
you call him up and you ask like, what are
his tendencies? What are you What is what works best,
whether it's the tackle that's protecting him. What whether it's
the snap count, like it goes as deep as you
(24:46):
you can go into there are there were certain quarterbacks
for a moment in time where it was a pretty
standard way of making your play call and it was
based off of the colors on the flag, And if
they audibled and they said red, it was on first sound.
If they say it white, it was on second sound.
(25:08):
If they said blue, it was on the third sound.
And if you had made book of the fact that
that's what they did when they audibled, or if they
came up to the line and that's what the quarterback
was saying, you knew what snap count that it was
being called on. And that was a very real thing
for a little bit of time with certain players. So
(25:29):
you just it's just it's just one of those things.
I don't know that that was so much an insult
on Kirk Cousins. I just think that Cam Jordan probably
looks at the way Kirk Cousins plays and the tendency
that he has given and.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Would rather face him than somebody else. Correct, Yeah, correct,
that's all that is. That's what when people were like, oh,
he's throwing shade at Kirk Cousins, like even went on
Twitter and just said Kirk can be stellar and have
stellar games, Like that's not you know.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Like if he doesn't have somebody who's playing and decision
making at a faster pace and at a faster level
than he is, like basically what he says.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
And like you pointed out, and you've talked about this before,
like there are certain quarterbacks who when they're mobile quarterbacks,
it just keeps you uneasy the entire time because you're
not sure whether you could do everything right and they
take their all that predicted.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
You can't predict other than the fact that you know
they're going to run, but you can't predict where they're
going to run. You don't you can't predict when they're
going to run.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
I can't even imagine what it was like dealing with
Michael Vick in his prime, and.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Like you got to play him like a punt and
and everybody has to be disciplined because the thing about
it is there's only about one or two, maybe three
at the most, probably like one or two that's close
to him that can catch him. So if you're a
defensive end and you know you don't have the speed
to catch them. Stay in your got dang lane, Do
(26:54):
not get out of your lane, get your your your
o lineman, get your hands on him and create a wall.
We're gonna blitz this man with one of the guys
that can catch him, or we're going like even trying
to to spy him. You're too far away. You can't
spy mike Vic, like you put a spy on him.
(27:15):
Uh you know, I spied him. I was like three
yards off the ball and had to follow him wherever
he went. It wasn't that wasn't gonna work. I'm too
far away. So you gotta you gotta flush him to
where you want him to be, and everybody has to
be in cahoots on making sure that he ends up
where he's supposed to be. And that's how it works,
(27:37):
and that's how we were able to get If you
go back to I forget what it was, what preseason
it was, but they came to Washington and we were
thrashing him. And it's all because we we we did
exactly what it is. And you don't generally game plan
too big in preseason games, but we game plan for
(27:59):
mike Vic and we came out and we said, look,
we're gonna flush him, and if LeVar doesn't get him,
I mean that's going to be a busted play because
the only other guys that were going to be able
to catch them were generally like at cornerback or safety,
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and it wasn't a guarantee that they would be able
to catch him either because they're too far away. So
you don't want to have to deal with a guy
like a Lamar Jackson. Like to put it in terms
of people so they can understand it, and that's recent.
Lamar Jackson is hell to deal with because you have
(28:42):
to cover the and now with RPOs. Like if offenses
had evolved to where they are now and how they
ran now with Mike Vick, Mike Vick would still be
the most dynamic running quarterback, running passing quarterback in the league.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Me today, as a pass rusher, would you rather deal
with justin Fields or Joe Burrow as a pass rusher? Again,
I think there's so many misconceptions on a running quarterback,
a mobile quarterback versus a station in which Joe Burrow
can actually run back.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Yeah, but he's not a justin fields guy.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Yeah, he's not.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
He's not going to he's not going to beat you
in a gang with his legs so like.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
And I think that's the part that people miss on this.
This is a pass rush summit. He's looking at it
from the eyes of a pass rusher. And I could
totally understand why you would say and and then this
is not saying that he said this, but I can
understand him saying I would rather face a guy like
a Joe Burrow and.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Has to use their brain. Yes as it applies. Now listen,
now this is very critical because this is generally how
people kind of categorize and separate and almost destroy the
narrative of a running quarterback, a mobile quarterback being intelligent.
What differentiates a running mobile quarterback from a pocket passing
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quarterback is their intellect has to be used. The mobile quarterback.
Their intellect is being used to say, can I find
somewhere to throw the ball? Who am I looking at?
What's my progressions? Now? It's where are the holes? Where
are the holes in this defense? And where do I
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pull the ball down? And when do I run? If
I am not, If I am a non mobile quarterback,
your intellect and your IQ is telling you the only
way I run is to get out of bounce, to
get out of the sack the sack zone so that
I can throw the ball away without an intentional grounding,
or to try to get a first down because I
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only got to run like two three yards. Their IQ
is being used to figure out where they can deliver
the ball, and the defenders know that. The defenders know
that this guy is not going to run away. It's
a very different proposition. The intellect is not not any
more or any less with the mobile quarterback versus the
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pocket passing quarterback. It's just that their intellect and their
IQ have to be applied differently. In a matter of
like split seconds. It's very very quick, and so the
intellect is used differently because your mechanism of safety and
your mechanism of production and your mechanism of having success
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on that play is depending on what you do best.
And that's what separates the two. So a pass rusher
one hundred percent wants to deal with a non mobile
quarterback and one who is more of a thoughtful quarterback
with their progressions versus a guy that'll pull the ball
down and buy more time by being able to run
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around and be mobile. That's just simple mass and it's
not shade either.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
It's just people try and stir this stuff up, and like, look,
Kirk Cousins is a better quarterback justin fields, but they'd
probably rather pass rush against kirk Cousins than a justin fields.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
There was nothing that I took from his stage. That's
it that he's this dumb, slow thinking quarterback that tries
to make the right decisions all the time. That's why
I love playing against him. He basically said, he has
to think a little bit longer and a little bit harder,
and he has to be correct on who he's going
to throw the ball to. Otherwise they're not going to
have success on the offensive side because he's not going
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to run for their success.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
And listen, kirk Cousins doing something right. His only playoff
win was in New Orleans.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Now you don't have Dalvin Cook, so now you're going
to have You're going to have to you know, I
execute even differently.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Yeah, I just think, like the moral of the story
is a mobile quarterback will definitely give you heartburn.
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Speaker 5 (35:28):
You know I always look up birthdays, so today happy
birthday to Steve O. Chris Evans and I found this interesting,
they pointed out to Mary Kate Olsen, leaving out Ashley Olsen.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
Why not Ashley Olson? I don't know. I think it
was just the website I was on.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
They forgot they uh.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Well, make sure maybe they don't. Maybe one was born
at like eleven fifty five, you go, or like after midnight? Yeah,
there you go.
Speaker 5 (35:50):
I have to admit, I, uh, I have some friends
who are twins and I went to their birthday party,
and I'm more friends with one than the other, and
I said, hey, happy birthday, but I kind of forgot
to say happy birthday to the other.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Oh well, that's just because you're an a hole. That's
that's true.
Speaker 5 (36:03):
I mean I really it took me just a second
and a half to realize that. I was like, oh, yeah,
and a happy birthday to you too. What else, guys,
we talked fickleball a bunch today. Another thing out there.
AX throwing It quite the trend out there. It's National
X throwing Day. You guys ever go to see. I've
never done it, but I would do it. I would
(36:25):
definitely do it.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Yeah. It bounce back almost impaled me.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Really, yeah, because like if you don't you got to
throw it, Like there is a little bit of a
technique to it, but it'll bounce back at you. And
and they'll say, well, you've got these like pathways that
will protect it. It's like, yeah, well it's not protecting
you when it when it flies back, Like, yeah, you've
got your own little pathway. But things got a mind
of its own, and if it picks up some momentum
(36:51):
on the ground it, you know, it's a problem.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Plus you're dream sound like uh Ben Stiller in a
long game, like you're taking the risk versus the whole
risk assessment deal. And the problem is you drink while
you do it, and so judgment is a little bit
of an issue. Like you'll see these these weirdos who go.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Two hands over the top, they throw and it's like, man, like,
wasn't it the kicker from Minnesota back in the day
that like cut like chopped his leg with the axe
like Paul Bunyan's axe. He went to go celebrate and
hit his He like put a gash in his own leg.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Like, so I always think of that, like that could
be a problem.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Okay, handsome extreme. I'm just letting you know. You go
to the most extreme of the stream. So that's Paul good.
But else something I already know.
Speaker 5 (37:38):
Levar's out on Bill Wattin's thirty for three, Art three,
I'm the luckiest guy in the world.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
I'm out as well too. It's like, are you flex him?
Like you want people to watch you? Like your title
is a flex? He gets four part? He gets why
does Bill Waldon have a four part series? I don't know.
I did watch. Does everyone think they can do the
last stance? Is that what this is? That's what it
sounds like. Yeah, come on, man. Although I did watch
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Arnold Schwarzenegger and and h Connor McGregor and they were
pretty dope. Arnold Jack, Yeah, it's pretty dope, dude.
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