July 6, 2023 • 36 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, The NBA should milk the Damian Lillard decision for as long as they can. Jonas and LaVar wonder if Bill Belichick is truly on the hot seat this season. Senior NFL Reporter for TheMMQB, Albert Breer, talks hotdogs, the upcoming franchise tag deadline, Brock Purdy’s recovery and the possible resentment between Robert Kraft and Bill Belichick. Aaron Rodgers gets passive aggressive with a “house warming gift” and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Yeah, so home stretch. Yeah, people can can keep on,
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Not so much to say with Berto though. For all
of you guys that continue to ask where Roberto is,
you should know this by now. If you listen to
our show or any of this, you know Ben Mallor's
show or whatever, you know.
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Out there, out of here.
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Damian Lillard trade for everybody asking that as well too.
That trade has still not happened, So Dame Lillard is
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still The rumors are he likes to go to certain places,
doesn't want to go to others. Maybe the Blazers will
work with him, maybe they won't, etc. Etc. So that's
the latest on Damian Lillard. There was a trade in
the NBA yesterday though Reteamer that involved Grant Williams being
sent from the Celtics to the Mavericks. It's a sign
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and trade deal also involving the San Antonio Spurs. San
Antonio receives Reggie Bullock in return and an unprotected first
round pick in twenty thirty, so right around the corner
twenty thirty, and then the Celtics are getting a bunch
of US second round picks as well too in return.
So man, it feels like the Celtics are going to
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look a lot different this upcoming year than in the
past couple of years. There's got to be something else
going on. There got to be maybe.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Not a ton different, not a ton different.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Marcus Smart's gone.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
That's a big that's a difference.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Grant Williams is you know, he was a contributor. He's gone.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I just I wonder if they're making some moves to
try and get involved in the Damian Lillard sweep steaks.
I wonder if that's what this is about, acquiring a
bunch of draft capital, a bunch of assets. They've still
got Malcolm Brox.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
If they were to bring in Dame Lillard and are
able to do that like money wise, that's I mean, sorry,
Marcus Smart, but that's that's just that's an upgrade, right,
You've upgraded and and you've given that team, You've given
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that team an extra dimension, like that's that third superstar.
That's definitely that that third superstar. So you got you
got Jalen you got you got? Uh, come on, what's
my guys?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Jason Tatum, Tatum, Christoph porzingis there?
Speaker 3 (03:34):
You go?
Speaker 2 (03:35):
And they edit porzingis See I don't I don't know
how they could pull that deal off and not part
with Jalen Brown as part.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Of the deal. But maybe see that happen.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yeah, maybe they're thinking, look, Malcolm brogged in some other pieces,
We'll give you a couple of first round picks, all
these second round picks that we've acquired over the past
couple of weeks since the draft. Maybe that's the thinking.
There was a report that Damian Lillard is not interested
in wanting to play for Boston. That that was you know,
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maybe Boston's got a reputation for some stuff in the past. Yeah,
so maybe there was there's that going on.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
But oh wow, But.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Again, I mean again, there's you know, if if you
can get out of Portland, you want to play for
a winner, I mean that that's a much better roster
to go to than what you've been dealing with.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
There has there been any other teams listed?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Miami? Of course, everybody wants to go to Miami, shocker.
There's also been the Brooklyn Nets have been thrown out there.
That's a potential landing spot. Uh, the seventy six ers
were kicked around early on maybe the Clippers. So that's
that's the latest speculation on the Damian Lillard trade with
with the Portland trade clip. Yeah, I mean, maybe not
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good for him. Seems like everything the Clippers touch, something
bad happens, So maybe that's not good for Damien though. Yeah.
I mean with Paul George and Kawhi Leonard.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
That just as full o George coming back healthy.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Probably not same with Kawhi. Lillard is thirty two, I believe,
so you know, he's still got, you know, at least
a couple of years of really good basketball left. So
that's that we wait and see, and if you're the NBA,
just milk that for as long as you can keep
people interested in the story, because once training camp starts,
it's over. People are moving on to the NFL and
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they're ready to for football season in college football starting
up around the corner, and then the NBA is gonna
have to fight for some headlines. So maybe that would
make more sense for them. Now. Earlier in the show,
we did have a chance to catch up with Albert Breer,
because we were having a conversation about the rumors of
Dalvin Cook and the Patriots having interest in Dalvin Cook
(05:51):
DeAndre Hopkins, and a lot of this was on the
heels of the fact that there's been this little back
and forth going on between Robert Kraft and Bill Belichick
where Belichick at the end of the season mentioned, you know,
where they're at from a spending standpoint, that they're one
of the bottom tier teams in the league as far
as spending goes the last three years. Interesting that he,
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you know, chose the last three years since Tom Brady
left to point that out and got to do the
math on that, and then Robert Kraft recently, via Greg Bodard,
who covers the Patriots, has been covering sports there in
Boston for a long time, sort of shot that down
and said that'll never be the issue, like spending will
never be the issue. If it ever gets to that point,
I'll just sell the team. So Albert Breer has covered
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the Patriots for a long time as well too. He
lives in the area, so we asked him whether or
not he believes that there's the potential of not only
some bad blood residing in New England since the departure
of Tom Brady won that Belichick was in on and
maybe Bob Kraft was not in on. But also LeVar
Po's the question, is there the possibility that at some point,
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very soon Bill Belichick could be fired?
Speaker 5 (07:00):
We would ever hear that Bill Belichick was fired, Like
I don't think Robert Kraft has in him to do
what Jerry Jones did to Jimmy Johnson in nineteen eighty four.
I think, you know, Robert Craft is going to want
any separation.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
With Bill to be amicable.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
And you can see it in the way that Craft
handled the breakup with Brady. He was so concerned over
how that was, kind of how that looks, you know,
and he wanted to make sure that it didn't look
like they were kicking Tom out the door. I think
in the case of Belichick, like I would, my guess
would be if he did feel it was time to
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move on, he would probably exhaust every avenue to try
to make the split look amicable. And there's a chance,
like in a situation like that, that Bill would say
no and say just fire me if you're going to
fire me. But it's hard for me to envision a
scenario where where Craft, which is outright fire by the way,
guys that I do think that he has his next
(08:01):
guy lined up in DRAWD MAO.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
So that was Albert Breer joining us from last hour,
talking about the weird dynamic that is now residing in
New England between Bob Kraft and Bill Belichick. It's weird, man.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
I just don't understand why you could be immune to
being on the hot seat. You can win as many
championships as you want, but if you've lost the ability
to win, or maybe you're not lost the ability to win,
but you're struggling to win, I don't understand. Like I
guess every I understand you're not going to judge all
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coaches equally just based upon all right, what are you
going to that's going to be better than what you
already have? Like, I get that, and it's hard to
make sense of we can go in a different direction
and bring in somebody that ultimately you believe is going
to do a better job than the current coach that
you have. But I still think that there's something to
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be said about a coach that has had so much
success that they're bulletproof. I mean, I don't know how
you know, how healthy is that for an organization, because
you could be being held hostage. I've seen that happen before,
where coaches have had so much influence that they weren't
you know, they weren't able to be removed, and it's
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possible that they did more damage than they did good.
So I'm just curious, at what point do you sit
there and you say Bill Belichick is doing more damage
being the head coach than he is good. I mean,
you got to start to believe that conversation has has
had to have come up if you're if you're a
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Boston fan.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yeah, I'm not a child of divorce, but I've heard
this from people who are that sometimes there's the potential
that maybe the child blames one parent or another for
chasing the other one off. And I just wonder if
Robert Craft looks at Belichick and again just says you
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chased him off, like I sort of got. Like, I
wonder if he looks at it and says, I trusted you.
I can understand we go through a couple of tough seasons.
I get all that, but I trusted you and your
evaluation of where the best player in the history of
the franchise and potentially in the entire sport was at
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in his career. I trusted you, and by trusting you,
all that we've gotten is a playoff appearance in which
we got blow torch by Buffalo and then missing the
playoffs again and then a sub five hundred year after that,
and all we got out of Tom Brady was a
super Bowl, a near MVP season and another playoff appearance
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Like it, just like that feels like not only you know,
do you should maybe you not have immunity from losing seasons,
but also if your inability to recognize what you had
in a quarterback at that time has faltered, maybe that's
where this is also a problem, which goes to the
point of this year potentially could be a make or
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break year when it comes to what happens with Belichick
and what happens with the Patriots, because there's a lot.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Of mine community from a losing season. It's a dope line.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
There's a lot of people who have it though.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
I mean, Bill Belichick is one, make no mistake about it.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Right, Yeah, So Dalvin Cook and DeAndre Hopkins are infused
into that roster. I think that's a significant upgrade. But
I'll let me pose a what if scenario to you
if they finished last in their division this year, which
they are projected to do by virtually anybody who looks
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at Buffalo, Miami, the Jets and what they've done. If
the Patriots finished last in their division and they're a
non playoff team, and say they're six and eleven or
seven and ten, what do you think the conversation is
after the season.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
The same one we're having this year, but more heated.
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
It just doesn't sound like like Bill Belichick can be
in that type of situation. I would have thought he
would have been in that type of situation. Now, why
wait another year? Right, You've seen what you need to
see where they're trending. It doesn't seem like they're trending up. Yeah,
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So that that's a conversation that could have been had
last year, and the fact that it wasn't had last
year with more intensity than what it did, it just
says that there's not I mean, we I mean we
stated it clearly. He's not a fireable guy. He's not
what'd you say, immunity of what of what?
Speaker 3 (12:54):
What? What did you say?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
An immunity from a losing.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Season, immunity from a losing season. It's also community.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
And the fact that, as Albert pointed out, Girod Mayo's
kind of waiting to take over, like that's that's sort
of the plan. I mean, that was the same with McDaniels.
The thought was that Josh McDaniels is going to be
the heir apparent to take over there, and then he
went on and took over for the Raiders. But the
fact that Girod Mayo's also there, maybe it does feel
like they've got themselves a plan in place for when
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it's time to move on and go in a different direction.
But it's it's interesting to watch what's happened to them,
what's happened to Brady. And again, Tom Brady will be
back and celebrated at Foxboro this upcoming season, so we
get we get to pay attention to that and look
forward to all that fun stuff.
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Speaker 2 (13:54):
We'd rather not hear from anybody else other than Albert Breer,
senior NFL reporter at the MMQB, and can get him
on two at Albert Breer, Albert, how's it going? How's
everything over there? Are you still in Nantucket or we bash? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (14:07):
No, no, no, we got more week left, so I'm
still here.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Nice. Oh wow, Now this is an important question I
wanted to ask you because I know you were tracking
the Nathan's hot Dog eating contest. How many hot dogs
do you think you could eat in ten minutes?
Speaker 6 (14:24):
That's a great question.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
I did have. Like, so I remember when I was
I remember when I was like probably I don't know,
twenty twenty one, twenty two. I used to do this
thing at ten Way where we would go and you'd
have a beer and a hot dog every inning, and
I remember how sick I felt after that. And it
wasn't the beer, it was a hot dog.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
So like, you know, the thing about it is you.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
Think when you eat a hot dog, it's like, oh,
I felt like nothing, right, Like I feel that you
guys feel that way, right, Yeah, when you eat one,
it feels like you can eat one hundred, Like ah,
I could probably get but I just I don't know,
like when I get to the point when I'd start
to feel like, oh my god, you know what I mean,
like because the way it sits.
Speaker 6 (15:08):
In your stomach, So ten minutes, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
It is twenty, Like, I don't know. If I get
past twenty, maybe that's a lot.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I amn, twenty, I was thinking like four or five.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
That's a lot.
Speaker 6 (15:24):
Yeah, a lot.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
I don't know. I mean, like, but if you're not
thinking about it. The thing is, if you're not thinking
about it, how long would it take to really hit you.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
Know what I mean? Yeah, but you block it out
of your head.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
And just start wolfing them down, and then the buns
would be the problem. I think you know, the buns
would be the problem.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Can on the on the Fenway deal. So you so
that was the thing you guys would do. You would
do a hot dog and a beer every inning? So
what beer? And then you know how many innings? Because
I'm assuming they stopped serving after seven? Right, So how
would that go? Would you complete the task?
Speaker 5 (15:55):
Yeah? So we would buy Yeah, if I remember it
was a seventh, bought seven, So then you'd buy three.
And I can't remember how we pulled that off because
there's a limit on like two, Like you know, you
have that limit like where one person can only buy
two beers or whatever, right, And I don't know they
still have those, but they had that back then.
Speaker 6 (16:14):
We do to lay around it.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
I can't remember exactly what it was, but and I
my guess would be it was fud light. I couldn't
imagine it was too much heavier than that.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Damn.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
When they're wolfing down hot dogs like.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
That, that's impressive.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Man, that is crazy. I don't know how you guys
even get there.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
I mean that was funny, though. I mean I wasn't.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
I wasn't in like a Division one strength and conditioning
program either of R So that's true.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Now, back then I could have probably ate twenty hot dogs,
maybe came close to it, but none.
Speaker 6 (16:44):
Now that's what I'm saying, Like that, Yeah, I get now.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
I mean now I think I get like acid reflux
and feel like I was sixty five years old.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Oh ago.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Yeah, speaking of acid reflux, there's probably a little bit
there for the SA Kwon bar cap. Can you give
us shed any light on if there's any progress, if
there's any hope, Like what what should people expect, especially
Giants fans.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
Yeah, my expectation, Levars, they'll pick it back up, you
know next week when when you know, the team officials
start to filter back into the.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
Office, and that's the way these things go.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
You know. I I hesitate to ever panic much on
deals with franchise players because I've been doing this long
enough to know there's always all kinds of blusterer and
you know, like oftentimes it just takes the deadline coming
for things to get more serious, for things to get quiet,
for besides to focus and deals to get done. And
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so you know, I think, what's I think if you know,
you get to that weekend, you know, the fifteenth to sixteenth,
and there's still no talks, Like maybe then you got
something to worry about. But I just I can remember
the story, and this is going back probably ten years now,
where I mean, I was convinced, I had a story written.
I was convinced the Jets and Mohammad Wilkerson, we're not
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going to get a deal done. Things were so far apart.
The Jets had taken Sheldon Richardson I remember, in the
first round, but around the same time they took Wilkerson,
there was no way they were gonna get Wilkerson done,
and then like in a matter of like two hours,
a deal got done right before the deadline because they
just kind of traded ideas and it was like, wait
a minute, we're closer than we.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
Thought we were, so maybe we actually.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Can't hammer something out. So, you know, I think a
lot of this comes down to a matter of everybody
really showing their cards. And usually in these sources of cases,
when there's a hard deadline like that, and that's what
happens to the franchise deadline. It doesn't happen until you
get close to that deadline. And I and I think
if you look at the history of it, it would bear
that out that you know, eighty ninety percent of the
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franchise tag deals could get done and get done right
before the deadline.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Albert Brier joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, senior
NFL reporter with the MMQB. Speaking of running backs, what's
with the Josh Jacobson situation in Vegas? Does it feel
like there's a little bit more optimism with than that
does Jacobs?
Speaker 6 (19:06):
I think that's fair.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
Yeah, I mean, I think I think on the case
in the case of Saquon, I think, you know, both
sides genuinely want to get something done, and I think
right now where we are is sort of in a
negotiating phase, right and oftentimes the negotiating phase things can
get maybe a little personal, but there's also you know,
a little bit of posturing. It happens on both sides.
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That's just part of it, you know. So I think
with Saquon it feels like everybody does want to come
to an agreement when we get what would be about
eleven days from now. You know, Josh Jacobs case feels
a little bit different, just because the off season that
the Raiders have had, what's happened with with Derek Carr,
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you know, obviously the Jimmy garoppolo situation.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
You know.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
So I think, you know, with Josh Jacobs, it's more
it feels like the player really feels like he's concerned
there isn't a deal coming.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
So, you know, I think again, like we can get
close to.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
The deadline, things could change a little bit. But I
think you're your read on it is right, But the
tenor of that one is just a little bit different
than say, like you said, Saquan in New York or
even Tony Pollard in Dallas.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Abe, I want to ask you about Brock Purdy and
and just the latest information that's come out on him
going to see the specialists and possibly moving the timeframe
of of when he can return.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
What's what is that all about?
Speaker 4 (20:36):
You know, like this is obviously one of those those
situations where it'd be interesting to see if he is available.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
But what what do you you know, what do you
what do you make of this?
Speaker 5 (20:48):
Yeah, I mean he's he's in the throwing program and
you know, a lot of this is about building the
strength back up. And you know, my understanding is that
coming off of this injury, the way that works is,
you know, over time, you you have him make more
challenging throws, you have him throw with more velocity, and
it's just sort of a methodical process and building its
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strength and your elbow back up.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
And so.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
You know, I think it's and you know we've said
that that this going back a few months, like where
there was that checkpoint in June where he was either
going to start throwing or he wasn't, And you have
a better idea of what sort of track he was
on then, and you know right now he's on a
track to be ready in week one. Now, did that
mean absolutely no question he's going to be ready week one? No,
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you know, I think there's still, you know, question as
to you know, where the strength and the elbow.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
It's going to be.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
But they're confident that he's going to get there, and
they're confident based on the markers that they have at
this point that they'll be able to get him up
and running and ready to go week one. Now, well,
Kyle Shanahan feel comfortable putting him out there if he's
only practiced for you know, say a week or two
when we get to week one, I would say that's
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an open question. And it depends on what he sees
from Sam Darnold, depends on what he sees from Terrey Lance.
And look, I mean there's a chance he's ready to
throw earlier in camp, but I think so much of
it's going to come down to where the strength in
the elbow is and whether or not they feel comfortable
with the strength in the elbow. I think, you know,
there's a chance to see him earlier in camp on
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a on a very strict pitch count, and that's just
going to be about building the elbow back up and
how the elbow responds. Obviously there's some variable involves in
that too.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Albert Brier joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, senior
NFL reporter at the MMQB and again get him on
Twitter at Albert Breer. So we were talking just about
the rumblings that Dalvin Cook DeAndre Hopkins, the Patriots have
the least kicked the tires on both of those guys.
Then there's you know this, you know quote that came
out courtesy of Greg Bodard that Robert Kraft responded to
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Belichick saying, you know it is post season or end
of season press conference that you know where they were
at spending money wise and all that, and we're just
kind of we're bouncing this around, But do you think
it's in You cover the Patriots for a long time,
and obviously you live in the area. Do you think
Robert Kraft maybe has some resentment Albert at the fact
that Belichick convinced him that Tom Brady's time was over,
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that he was washed, and all he did was go
on to win a Super Bowl, be damn near the
MVP in year two and get his team to the
playoffs in year three. Do you think there's still some
resentment there between Robert Craft and Belichick.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
I think Robert Craft, I think, you know, like there's
some level of legacy shaping going on there. I mean,
obviously he's older. I think he cares deeply about getting
into the Hall of Tame. Obviously that hasn't happened yet,
and so you know, how does he get in the
Hall of Fame over the next couple of years?
Speaker 6 (23:52):
And I think to some degree there.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
Is between the three of them, between Craft and Belichick
and Brady, there's been some position like who gets the
most credit? Now Brady doesn't have to say anything because
he wouldn't want a Super Bowl somewhere else, you know
what I mean? So I guess he could sort of
say case close. You know, like if you want to
know how big a piece of winning six championships is,
look at the one guy who went and won a
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championship somewhere else. Almost right away, you know, I think
with with with with with Belichick. You know, there's obviously
the Shule record out there. Does you know, if things
don't go well this year, does Craft let Belichick kind
of keep going in pursuit of that record? How badly
does he want Belichick to break that record with the Patriots,
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you know, and and then again, like you know, craft
some legacy. What is Craft's part in this, because you know,
we've seen it with owners in the past, owners of
championship team. Jerry Jones is obviously a great example how
they can be insecure about their own place in history
when it comes to how these things were built. And
so I think there's a lot of that that's that
that that's that's gone on, and I think it's going
(25:00):
to be interesting, like because you know, Bill Belichick deserves
a ton of leeway and and has built a ton
of collateral for what he accomplished over twenty years.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
You know.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
But they've missed the playoffs two the last three years.
The one playoff game they they've played in.
Speaker 6 (25:17):
Over the last three years has Brady left.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
I mean, they didn't look like they belonged in the
same zip code as the Buffalo Bills. And like, I
think there's at least some question as to where it's
going this year, and it still doesn't look like it's
going in the right direction after this year? Does that
lead to even more awkwardness? I just think that that's
sort of the stage that they're in those two guys.
And you know, obviously Brady has sort of separated himself
(25:40):
from the fray a little bit, but Brady is you know,
his Crafts relationship to Brady's obviously important to Craft as well.
And Craft had to say goodbye to to to Brady
in large part because of a decision Bill made.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
So are you saying that are.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
And I think you get I think he'd fire him.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
I don't know if he is he fire Is he fireable?
Speaker 5 (26:09):
Like?
Speaker 3 (26:09):
I think, because that's the thing I keep saying.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Any other coach would be on the hot seat, like
well beyond there like this point, would be on a
hot seat, especially for some of the decisions that Belichick
has made.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Is he fireable?
Speaker 5 (26:24):
I don't think that you would ever. I don't think
we would ever hear that Bill Belichick was fired, Like.
I don't think Robert Craft has in him to do
what Jerry Jones did to Jimmy Johnson in nineteen ninety four.
I think, you know, Robert Craft is going to want
any separation with Bill to be amicable. And you can
(26:47):
see it in the way that Kraft handled the breakup
with Brady.
Speaker 6 (26:52):
He was so concerned over.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
How that was kind of how that looks, you know,
and he wanted to make sure that it didn't look
like they were kicking time.
Speaker 6 (27:00):
I'm out the door, you know I.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
You know I. And even in the aftermath you heard
him like almost openly questioned Bill and the decision to
walk away from Brady to make sure everybody knew like
that was Bill's decision, you know. I think in the
case of Belichick, like I would might, my guess would be,
if he did feel it was time to move on,
(27:24):
he would probably exhaust every avenue to try to make
the split look amicable. And there's a chance, like in
a situation like that, that Bill would say no and say,
just fired me, if you're going to fire me, But
it's hard for me to envision a scenario where where
where where Craft which is outright fire.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
My guests would be he.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
Would exhaust again every avenue to try to make it
look a certain way, make it look like it was
an amical, amicable divorce. And that's and that's what the knowledge,
By the way, guys, that I do think that he
has his next guy lined up in Girad Mayo.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Interesting Albert Breer Get him on Twitter at Albert Breers,
senior NFL reporter at the MMQB. Always good stuff, Albert,
We appreciate it. Let's do it again next week.
Speaker 5 (28:07):
Awesome. Thanks, guys, have a good one.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
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very least, it's it's getting a little awkward in New England,
it seems like with Belichick and Robert Kraft there. So
we get to see how that all shapes up over
the next year or so.
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Speaker 2 (29:07):
So your guys, Sean Clifford, the man who played at
Penn State LeVar Arrington all the way up until age
fifty five. Yeah, and he is now a member of
the Green Bay Packers and he's got Aaron Rodgers locker.
And there's been a lot of conversation about him having
Aaron Rodgers locker in Green Bay. And they didn't wait
(29:29):
very long at all. It's like the Rams held Obj's
jersey up in a locker well past the time that
it was clear he wasn't joining him yet. The body
wasn't even cold from Rogers leaving the Packers, and they
couldn't get rid of that locker fast enough and give
it to Sean Clifford. So that was given to Sean
(29:49):
Clifford this offseason. And apparently Aaron Rodgers, you know, out
of the kindness of his heart, good good gesture on
behalf of Rogers, sent Sean Clifford and auti graph number
twelve jersey from his time with the Green Bay Packers
and wrote on the back of it quote Sean, welcome
to green Bay, enjoy that great city and my locker,
(30:11):
and then sign the jersey to send to Sean Clifford,
you know, just a kind gesture that I feel like
somebody somewhere is going to read too much into and
assume that it was Rogers being passive aggressive or taking
some sort of a dig at the Packers and Sean Clifford.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
I mean, that is, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (30:28):
You think so?
Speaker 4 (30:30):
I just it could easily be, it could easily be
interpreted that way.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
I thought it was just being kind, just a nice gesture.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
I mean, I mean, why wouldn't you send him a
jersey and do all of those well wishes without him
being in the locker.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Why did it take him being in the locker for
him to send that.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
I think maybe he wanted to make him feel comfortable
about having the locker because there was a lot of
speculation about it.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
You know, yeah, I think that's passive aggressive.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
You think that's past aggressive.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Yes, wow, ten dollars, that'll be ten dollars Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Okay, so Rogers those ten dollars. Thank god. I thought
I was going to get a taxed for that. But
I just I look at it, and I go, he's
just he's being a nice guy. He send Sean Clifford
a jersey.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
I mean, what's the what's the purpose of sending the
jersey signs saying that and enjoying my locker you know
what that's like, that's like, oh you met my ex girlfriend,
my ex wife, my whatever, and yeah, that like that's
that's that's you know, imagine I appreciate you being there.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
You know, and I hope you enjoyed you.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Know, my ex imagine that, like, you don't need you
don't need to offer that.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Sign of your wedding ring and sending it over to
it and being like, hey, have fun, take it out
for a spin on me.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
You know, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Here's fifty bucks.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
And that's the equivalent. To be honest to me, that's
the equivalent. There's no reason to do that. You just didn't.
You didn't need to, you didn't need to do it.
So I take that as a passive aggressive move on
on Aaron Rodgers's part.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Yeah, I just think I think Rogers, you know, the
idea that he's out, you know, trying to you know,
make this sort of a gesture and then immediately it
blows up in his face, and now we're claiming that
he's being passive aggressive. The guy can't win. I mean,
God for Biddy crawls underground, you know, hangs out with
earthworms and golfers and then comes out decides he wants
(32:25):
to play. The organization has already moved on. They didn't
want anything to do with them. They waited for the
one non MVP season to kind of move on without
Aaron Rodgers. He's turned over a new leaf. He's missed
positivity with the Jets. He's going to Knicks games, He's
going to Rangers games. He's taking all these rookies under
his wing and just kind of embracing the idea of
(32:45):
playing for a new franchise. Has been nothing but kind
to the people of Green Bay, the local businesses, the
fan base, everybody there. And then send Sean Clifford a
jersey that's going to be worth a fortune someday. And
now we're accusing him of being passive aggressive about it.
The guy can't win. It's not fair.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
I mean, you make a good case for him, but
I still think that the jury comes in with a
guilty verdict.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Do you think it's a passive aggressive.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Do you think it would have been better if he
had autographed a COVID mask and send it to him
that would have really made the whole thing, with the
whole presentation something you know, just autograph a nice little
COVID test, just send it over to him, or a
COVID mask. One of those two. Maybe that would have
been fun. Or maybe he's got a couple of you know,
eight by twelves of Olivia mon lying around somewhere. You
(33:34):
could autograph one of those. I'm just saying there's a
lot of stuff that he could have given him that
would have, you know, made people think odd things and
feel like he's a bad guy. And insteady autographs of jersey.
That thing's going to be worth at least a half
million dollars.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Do you think.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
I don't know about that, but I will say it's
it's it's a passive aggressive move.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Like it just is.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
I don't I don't think there's any way around that.
Like you, if you felt that way about him, you
should have sent him a jersey before you knew about
him being in your locker. You know about him getting
your locker, and now you want to send a jersey
and say, oh, enjoy my locker.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
That's just that's that's passive aggressive.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
But if we use the analogy of you know, dating
your acts. Yes, no, maybe he just wants to make
sure there's no awkward tension here, like, hey, it's all good.
I've moved on to better things.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
Like you have a baby mama. You know what I mean,
Like like I have to see you, so.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
You know what I mean? Like that. That's not the
case here.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Aaron Rodgers doesn't have to see what's going on in
that locker room.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
He's moved on.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
So if there's no reason to like, if you've moved on,
there's no reason for you to even like do that.
That's a swipe. I mean, you've moved on, Like you
guys have moved on from one another. What are like
you're not handling affairs for Green Bay anymore. You didn't
have to send a welcoming Aaron Rodgers jersey to the
(35:02):
new quarterback that has your locker.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Now, okay, what if you sent an autograph number eleven
to pick anybody who wore number eleven after you at
Penn State.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
I mean, but what are the circumstances.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
They have your old locker?
Speaker 4 (35:20):
I mean, we've created a tradition, so of course I
could send a signed jersey or something saying enjoy my
locker and enjoy rocking them sticks like, of course, because
it's a rite of passage. I don't play anymore. I'm
not an active player. Aaron Rodgers is. Aaron Rodgers is
an active player. It's well documented that he's had disagreements
(35:44):
with the front office and he took a slight like
that was a slight.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
You know what.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
The move for the Packers, we really want to turn
this up a notch. The move for the Packers of
Brian Goodakoun's pulling Sean Clifford aside and saying, hey man,
crazy circumstance here, but the number twelve is actually opened up.
What do you think? And Sean Clifford should accept and
then we see how this thing all plays out. Because
Rogers won't be able to keep his mouth shut. If
that's the case, he will figure out a way to
(36:11):
take a Digrian Guda Kunston the organization.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
He's going to figure out how to take digs anyway.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Yeah, he's very very good at it. So there's there's
the update on Aaron Rodgers and the remnants of Aaron
Rodgers still in Green Bay with the Packers.
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Yeah, so home stretch. Yeah, people can can keep on,
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Speaker 4 (00:36):
Not so much to say with Berto though. For all
of you guys that continue to ask where Roberto is,
you should know this by now. If you listen to
our show or any of this, you know Ben Mallor's
show or whatever, you know.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
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Out there, out of here.
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That trade has still not happened, So Dame Lillard is
(01:46):
still The rumors are he likes to go to certain places,
doesn't want to go to others. Maybe the Blazers will
work with him, maybe they won't, etc. Etc. So that's
the latest on Damian Lillard. There was a trade in
the NBA yesterday though Reteamer that involved Grant Williams being
sent from the Celtics to the Mavericks. It's a sign
(02:06):
and trade deal also involving the San Antonio Spurs. San
Antonio receives Reggie Bullock in return and an unprotected first
round pick in twenty thirty, so right around the corner
twenty thirty, and then the Celtics are getting a bunch
of US second round picks as well too in return.
So man, it feels like the Celtics are going to
(02:26):
look a lot different this upcoming year than in the
past couple of years. There's got to be something else
going on. There got to be maybe.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Not a ton different, not a ton different.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Marcus Smart's gone.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
That's a big that's a difference.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Grant Williams is you know, he was a contributor. He's gone.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I just I wonder if they're making some moves to
try and get involved in the Damian Lillard sweep steaks.
I wonder if that's what this is about, acquiring a
bunch of draft capital, a bunch of assets. They've still
got Malcolm Brox.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
If they were to bring in Dame Lillard and are
able to do that like money wise, that's I mean, sorry,
Marcus Smart, but that's that's just that's an upgrade, right,
You've upgraded and and you've given that team, You've given
(03:18):
that team an extra dimension, like that's that third superstar.
That's definitely that that third superstar. So you got you
got Jalen you got you got? Uh, come on, what's
my guys?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Jason Tatum, Tatum, Christoph porzingis there?
Speaker 3 (03:34):
You go?
Speaker 2 (03:35):
And they edit porzingis See I don't I don't know
how they could pull that deal off and not part
with Jalen Brown as part.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Of the deal. But maybe see that happen.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yeah, maybe they're thinking, look, Malcolm brogged in some other pieces,
We'll give you a couple of first round picks, all
these second round picks that we've acquired over the past
couple of weeks since the draft. Maybe that's the thinking.
There was a report that Damian Lillard is not interested
in wanting to play for Boston. That that was you know,
(04:08):
maybe Boston's got a reputation for some stuff in the past. Yeah,
so maybe there was there's that going on.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
But oh wow, But.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Again, I mean again, there's you know, if if you
can get out of Portland, you want to play for
a winner, I mean that that's a much better roster
to go to than what you've been dealing with.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
There has there been any other teams listed?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Miami? Of course, everybody wants to go to Miami, shocker.
There's also been the Brooklyn Nets have been thrown out there.
That's a potential landing spot. Uh, the seventy six ers
were kicked around early on maybe the Clippers. So that's
that's the latest speculation on the Damian Lillard trade with
with the Portland trade clip. Yeah, I mean, maybe not
(04:52):
good for him. Seems like everything the Clippers touch, something
bad happens, So maybe that's not good for Damien though. Yeah.
I mean with Paul George and Kawhi Leonard.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
That just as full o George coming back healthy.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Probably not same with Kawhi. Lillard is thirty two, I believe,
so you know, he's still got, you know, at least
a couple of years of really good basketball left. So
that's that we wait and see, and if you're the NBA,
just milk that for as long as you can keep
people interested in the story, because once training camp starts,
it's over. People are moving on to the NFL and
(05:29):
they're ready to for football season in college football starting
up around the corner, and then the NBA is gonna
have to fight for some headlines. So maybe that would
make more sense for them. Now. Earlier in the show,
we did have a chance to catch up with Albert Breer,
because we were having a conversation about the rumors of
Dalvin Cook and the Patriots having interest in Dalvin Cook
(05:51):
DeAndre Hopkins, and a lot of this was on the
heels of the fact that there's been this little back
and forth going on between Robert Kraft and Bill Belichick
where Belichick at the end of the season mentioned, you know,
where they're at from a spending standpoint, that they're one
of the bottom tier teams in the league as far
as spending goes the last three years. Interesting that he,
(06:12):
you know, chose the last three years since Tom Brady
left to point that out and got to do the
math on that, and then Robert Kraft recently, via Greg Bodard,
who covers the Patriots, has been covering sports there in
Boston for a long time, sort of shot that down
and said that'll never be the issue, like spending will
never be the issue. If it ever gets to that point,
I'll just sell the team. So Albert Breer has covered
(06:34):
the Patriots for a long time as well too. He
lives in the area, so we asked him whether or
not he believes that there's the potential of not only
some bad blood residing in New England since the departure
of Tom Brady won that Belichick was in on and
maybe Bob Kraft was not in on. But also LeVar
Po's the question, is there the possibility that at some point,
(06:56):
very soon Bill Belichick could be fired?
Speaker 5 (07:00):
We would ever hear that Bill Belichick was fired, Like
I don't think Robert Kraft has in him to do
what Jerry Jones did to Jimmy Johnson in nineteen eighty four.
I think, you know, Robert Craft is going to want
any separation.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
With Bill to be amicable.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
And you can see it in the way that Craft
handled the breakup with Brady. He was so concerned over
how that was, kind of how that looks, you know,
and he wanted to make sure that it didn't look
like they were kicking Tom out the door. I think
in the case of Belichick, like I would, my guess
would be if he did feel it was time to
(07:41):
move on, he would probably exhaust every avenue to try
to make the split look amicable. And there's a chance,
like in a situation like that, that Bill would say
no and say just fire me if you're going to
fire me. But it's hard for me to envision a
scenario where where Craft, which is outright fire by the way,
guys that I do think that he has his next
(08:01):
guy lined up in DRAWD MAO.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
So that was Albert Breer joining us from last hour,
talking about the weird dynamic that is now residing in
New England between Bob Kraft and Bill Belichick. It's weird, man.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
I just don't understand why you could be immune to
being on the hot seat. You can win as many
championships as you want, but if you've lost the ability
to win, or maybe you're not lost the ability to win,
but you're struggling to win, I don't understand. Like I
guess every I understand you're not going to judge all
(08:38):
coaches equally just based upon all right, what are you
going to that's going to be better than what you
already have? Like, I get that, and it's hard to
make sense of we can go in a different direction
and bring in somebody that ultimately you believe is going
to do a better job than the current coach that
you have. But I still think that there's something to
(08:59):
be said about a coach that has had so much
success that they're bulletproof. I mean, I don't know how
you know, how healthy is that for an organization, because
you could be being held hostage. I've seen that happen before,
where coaches have had so much influence that they weren't
you know, they weren't able to be removed, and it's
(09:23):
possible that they did more damage than they did good.
So I'm just curious, at what point do you sit
there and you say Bill Belichick is doing more damage
being the head coach than he is good. I mean,
you got to start to believe that conversation has has
had to have come up if you're if you're a
(09:46):
Boston fan.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yeah, I'm not a child of divorce, but I've heard
this from people who are that sometimes there's the potential
that maybe the child blames one parent or another for
chasing the other one off. And I just wonder if
Robert Craft looks at Belichick and again just says you
(10:11):
chased him off, like I sort of got. Like, I
wonder if he looks at it and says, I trusted you.
I can understand we go through a couple of tough seasons.
I get all that, but I trusted you and your
evaluation of where the best player in the history of
the franchise and potentially in the entire sport was at
(10:32):
in his career. I trusted you, and by trusting you,
all that we've gotten is a playoff appearance in which
we got blow torch by Buffalo and then missing the
playoffs again and then a sub five hundred year after that,
and all we got out of Tom Brady was a
super Bowl, a near MVP season and another playoff appearance
(10:56):
Like it, just like that feels like not only you know,
do you should maybe you not have immunity from losing seasons,
but also if your inability to recognize what you had
in a quarterback at that time has faltered, maybe that's
where this is also a problem, which goes to the
point of this year potentially could be a make or
(11:17):
break year when it comes to what happens with Belichick
and what happens with the Patriots, because there's a lot.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Of mine community from a losing season. It's a dope line.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
There's a lot of people who have it though.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
I mean, Bill Belichick is one, make no mistake about it.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Right, Yeah, So Dalvin Cook and DeAndre Hopkins are infused
into that roster. I think that's a significant upgrade. But
I'll let me pose a what if scenario to you
if they finished last in their division this year, which
they are projected to do by virtually anybody who looks
(11:54):
at Buffalo, Miami, the Jets and what they've done. If
the Patriots finished last in their division and they're a
non playoff team, and say they're six and eleven or
seven and ten, what do you think the conversation is
after the season.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
The same one we're having this year, but more heated.
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
It just doesn't sound like like Bill Belichick can be
in that type of situation. I would have thought he
would have been in that type of situation. Now, why
wait another year? Right, You've seen what you need to
see where they're trending. It doesn't seem like they're trending up. Yeah,
(12:36):
So that that's a conversation that could have been had
last year, and the fact that it wasn't had last
year with more intensity than what it did, it just
says that there's not I mean, we I mean we
stated it clearly. He's not a fireable guy. He's not
what'd you say, immunity of what of what?
Speaker 3 (12:54):
What? What did you say?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
An immunity from a losing.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Season, immunity from a losing season. It's also community.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
And the fact that, as Albert pointed out, Girod Mayo's
kind of waiting to take over, like that's that's sort
of the plan. I mean, that was the same with McDaniels.
The thought was that Josh McDaniels is going to be
the heir apparent to take over there, and then he
went on and took over for the Raiders. But the
fact that Girod Mayo's also there, maybe it does feel
like they've got themselves a plan in place for when
(13:25):
it's time to move on and go in a different direction.
But it's it's interesting to watch what's happened to them,
what's happened to Brady. And again, Tom Brady will be
back and celebrated at Foxboro this upcoming season, so we
get we get to pay attention to that and look
forward to all that fun stuff.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 2 (13:54):
We'd rather not hear from anybody else other than Albert Breer,
senior NFL reporter at the MMQB, and can get him
on two at Albert Breer, Albert, how's it going? How's
everything over there? Are you still in Nantucket or we bash? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (14:07):
No, no, no, we got more week left, so I'm
still here.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Nice. Oh wow, Now this is an important question I
wanted to ask you because I know you were tracking
the Nathan's hot Dog eating contest. How many hot dogs
do you think you could eat in ten minutes?
Speaker 6 (14:24):
That's a great question.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
I did have. Like, so I remember when I was
I remember when I was like probably I don't know,
twenty twenty one, twenty two. I used to do this
thing at ten Way where we would go and you'd
have a beer and a hot dog every inning, and
I remember how sick I felt after that. And it
wasn't the beer, it was a hot dog.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
So like, you know, the thing about it is you.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
Think when you eat a hot dog, it's like, oh,
I felt like nothing, right, Like I feel that you
guys feel that way, right, Yeah, when you eat one,
it feels like you can eat one hundred, Like ah,
I could probably get but I just I don't know,
like when I get to the point when I'd start
to feel like, oh my god, you know what I mean,
like because the way it sits.
Speaker 6 (15:08):
In your stomach, So ten minutes, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
It is twenty, Like, I don't know. If I get
past twenty, maybe that's a lot.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I amn, twenty, I was thinking like four or five.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
That's a lot.
Speaker 6 (15:24):
Yeah, a lot.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
I don't know. I mean, like, but if you're not
thinking about it. The thing is, if you're not thinking
about it, how long would it take to really hit you.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
Know what I mean? Yeah, but you block it out
of your head.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
And just start wolfing them down, and then the buns
would be the problem. I think you know, the buns
would be the problem.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Can on the on the Fenway deal. So you so
that was the thing you guys would do. You would
do a hot dog and a beer every inning? So
what beer? And then you know how many innings? Because
I'm assuming they stopped serving after seven? Right, So how
would that go? Would you complete the task?
Speaker 5 (15:55):
Yeah? So we would buy Yeah, if I remember it
was a seventh, bought seven, So then you'd buy three.
And I can't remember how we pulled that off because
there's a limit on like two, Like you know, you
have that limit like where one person can only buy
two beers or whatever, right, And I don't know they
still have those, but they had that back then.
Speaker 6 (16:14):
We do to lay around it.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
I can't remember exactly what it was, but and I
my guess would be it was fud light. I couldn't
imagine it was too much heavier than that.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Damn.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
When they're wolfing down hot dogs like.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
That, that's impressive.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Man, that is crazy. I don't know how you guys
even get there.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
I mean that was funny, though. I mean I wasn't.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
I wasn't in like a Division one strength and conditioning
program either of R So that's true.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Now, back then I could have probably ate twenty hot dogs,
maybe came close to it, but none.
Speaker 6 (16:44):
Now that's what I'm saying, Like that, Yeah, I get now.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
I mean now I think I get like acid reflux
and feel like I was sixty five years old.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Oh ago.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Yeah, speaking of acid reflux, there's probably a little bit
there for the SA Kwon bar cap. Can you give
us shed any light on if there's any progress, if
there's any hope, Like what what should people expect, especially
Giants fans.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
Yeah, my expectation, Levars, they'll pick it back up, you
know next week when when you know, the team officials
start to filter back into the.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
Office, and that's the way these things go.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
You know. I I hesitate to ever panic much on
deals with franchise players because I've been doing this long
enough to know there's always all kinds of blusterer and
you know, like oftentimes it just takes the deadline coming
for things to get more serious, for things to get quiet,
for besides to focus and deals to get done. And
(17:42):
so you know, I think, what's I think if you know,
you get to that weekend, you know, the fifteenth to sixteenth,
and there's still no talks, Like maybe then you got
something to worry about. But I just I can remember
the story, and this is going back probably ten years now,
where I mean, I was convinced, I had a story written.
I was convinced the Jets and Mohammad Wilkerson, we're not
(18:05):
going to get a deal done. Things were so far apart.
The Jets had taken Sheldon Richardson I remember, in the
first round, but around the same time they took Wilkerson,
there was no way they were gonna get Wilkerson done,
and then like in a matter of like two hours,
a deal got done right before the deadline because they
just kind of traded ideas and it was like, wait
a minute, we're closer than we.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
Thought we were, so maybe we actually.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Can't hammer something out. So, you know, I think a
lot of this comes down to a matter of everybody
really showing their cards. And usually in these sources of cases,
when there's a hard deadline like that, and that's what
happens to the franchise deadline. It doesn't happen until you
get close to that deadline. And I and I think
if you look at the history of it, it would bear
that out that you know, eighty ninety percent of the
(18:49):
franchise tag deals could get done and get done right
before the deadline.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Albert Brier joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, senior
NFL reporter with the MMQB. Speaking of running backs, what's
with the Josh Jacobson situation in Vegas? Does it feel
like there's a little bit more optimism with than that
does Jacobs?
Speaker 6 (19:06):
I think that's fair.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
Yeah, I mean, I think I think on the case
in the case of Saquon, I think, you know, both
sides genuinely want to get something done, and I think
right now where we are is sort of in a
negotiating phase, right and oftentimes the negotiating phase things can
get maybe a little personal, but there's also you know,
a little bit of posturing. It happens on both sides.
(19:29):
That's just part of it, you know. So I think
with Saquon it feels like everybody does want to come
to an agreement when we get what would be about
eleven days from now. You know, Josh Jacobs case feels
a little bit different, just because the off season that
the Raiders have had, what's happened with with Derek Carr,
(19:49):
you know, obviously the Jimmy garoppolo situation.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
You know.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
So I think, you know, with Josh Jacobs, it's more
it feels like the player really feels like he's concerned
there isn't a deal coming.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
So, you know, I think again, like we can get
close to.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
The deadline, things could change a little bit. But I
think you're your read on it is right, But the
tenor of that one is just a little bit different
than say, like you said, Saquan in New York or
even Tony Pollard in Dallas.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Abe, I want to ask you about Brock Purdy and
and just the latest information that's come out on him
going to see the specialists and possibly moving the timeframe
of of when he can return.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
What's what is that all about?
Speaker 4 (20:36):
You know, like this is obviously one of those those
situations where it'd be interesting to see if he is available.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
But what what do you you know, what do you
what do you make of this?
Speaker 5 (20:48):
Yeah, I mean he's he's in the throwing program and
you know, a lot of this is about building the
strength back up. And you know, my understanding is that
coming off of this injury, the way that works is,
you know, over time, you you have him make more
challenging throws, you have him throw with more velocity, and
it's just sort of a methodical process and building its
(21:09):
strength and your elbow back up.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
And so.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
You know, I think it's and you know we've said
that that this going back a few months, like where
there was that checkpoint in June where he was either
going to start throwing or he wasn't, And you have
a better idea of what sort of track he was
on then, and you know right now he's on a
track to be ready in week one. Now, did that
mean absolutely no question he's going to be ready week one? No,
(21:37):
you know, I think there's still, you know, question as
to you know, where the strength and the elbow.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
It's going to be.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
But they're confident that he's going to get there, and
they're confident based on the markers that they have at
this point that they'll be able to get him up
and running and ready to go week one. Now, well,
Kyle Shanahan feel comfortable putting him out there if he's
only practiced for you know, say a week or two
when we get to week one, I would say that's
(22:04):
an open question. And it depends on what he sees
from Sam Darnold, depends on what he sees from Terrey Lance.
And look, I mean there's a chance he's ready to
throw earlier in camp, but I think so much of
it's going to come down to where the strength in
the elbow is and whether or not they feel comfortable
with the strength in the elbow. I think, you know,
there's a chance to see him earlier in camp on
(22:25):
a on a very strict pitch count, and that's just
going to be about building the elbow back up and
how the elbow responds. Obviously there's some variable involves in
that too.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Albert Brier joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, senior
NFL reporter at the MMQB and again get him on
Twitter at Albert Breer. So we were talking just about
the rumblings that Dalvin Cook DeAndre Hopkins, the Patriots have
the least kicked the tires on both of those guys.
Then there's you know this, you know quote that came
out courtesy of Greg Bodard that Robert Kraft responded to
(22:58):
Belichick saying, you know it is post season or end
of season press conference that you know where they were
at spending money wise and all that, and we're just
kind of we're bouncing this around, But do you think
it's in You cover the Patriots for a long time,
and obviously you live in the area. Do you think
Robert Kraft maybe has some resentment Albert at the fact
that Belichick convinced him that Tom Brady's time was over,
(23:20):
that he was washed, and all he did was go
on to win a Super Bowl, be damn near the
MVP in year two and get his team to the
playoffs in year three. Do you think there's still some
resentment there between Robert Craft and Belichick.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
I think Robert Craft, I think, you know, like there's
some level of legacy shaping going on there. I mean,
obviously he's older. I think he cares deeply about getting
into the Hall of Tame. Obviously that hasn't happened yet,
and so you know, how does he get in the
Hall of Fame over the next couple of years?
Speaker 6 (23:52):
And I think to some degree there.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
Is between the three of them, between Craft and Belichick
and Brady, there's been some position like who gets the
most credit? Now Brady doesn't have to say anything because
he wouldn't want a Super Bowl somewhere else, you know
what I mean? So I guess he could sort of
say case close. You know, like if you want to
know how big a piece of winning six championships is,
look at the one guy who went and won a
(24:15):
championship somewhere else. Almost right away, you know, I think
with with with with with Belichick. You know, there's obviously
the Shule record out there. Does you know, if things
don't go well this year, does Craft let Belichick kind
of keep going in pursuit of that record? How badly
does he want Belichick to break that record with the Patriots,
(24:37):
you know, and and then again, like you know, craft
some legacy. What is Craft's part in this, because you know,
we've seen it with owners in the past, owners of
championship team. Jerry Jones is obviously a great example how
they can be insecure about their own place in history
when it comes to how these things were built. And
so I think there's a lot of that that's that
that that's that's gone on, and I think it's going
(25:00):
to be interesting, like because you know, Bill Belichick deserves
a ton of leeway and and has built a ton
of collateral for what he accomplished over twenty years.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
You know.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
But they've missed the playoffs two the last three years.
The one playoff game they they've played in.
Speaker 6 (25:17):
Over the last three years has Brady left.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
I mean, they didn't look like they belonged in the
same zip code as the Buffalo Bills. And like, I
think there's at least some question as to where it's
going this year, and it still doesn't look like it's
going in the right direction after this year? Does that
lead to even more awkwardness? I just think that that's
sort of the stage that they're in those two guys.
And you know, obviously Brady has sort of separated himself
(25:40):
from the fray a little bit, but Brady is you know,
his Crafts relationship to Brady's obviously important to Craft as well.
And Craft had to say goodbye to to to Brady
in large part because of a decision Bill made.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
So are you saying that are.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
And I think you get I think he'd fire him.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
I don't know if he is he fire Is he fireable?
Speaker 5 (26:09):
Like?
Speaker 3 (26:09):
I think, because that's the thing I keep saying.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Any other coach would be on the hot seat, like
well beyond there like this point, would be on a
hot seat, especially for some of the decisions that Belichick
has made.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Is he fireable?
Speaker 5 (26:24):
I don't think that you would ever. I don't think
we would ever hear that Bill Belichick was fired, Like.
I don't think Robert Craft has in him to do
what Jerry Jones did to Jimmy Johnson in nineteen ninety four.
I think, you know, Robert Craft is going to want
any separation with Bill to be amicable. And you can
(26:47):
see it in the way that Kraft handled the breakup
with Brady.
Speaker 6 (26:52):
He was so concerned over.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
How that was kind of how that looks, you know,
and he wanted to make sure that it didn't look
like they were kicking time.
Speaker 6 (27:00):
I'm out the door, you know I.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
You know I. And even in the aftermath you heard
him like almost openly questioned Bill and the decision to
walk away from Brady to make sure everybody knew like
that was Bill's decision, you know. I think in the
case of Belichick, like I would might, my guess would be,
if he did feel it was time to move on,
(27:24):
he would probably exhaust every avenue to try to make
the split look amicable. And there's a chance, like in
a situation like that, that Bill would say no and say,
just fired me, if you're going to fire me, But
it's hard for me to envision a scenario where where
where where Craft which is outright fire.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
My guests would be he.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
Would exhaust again every avenue to try to make it
look a certain way, make it look like it was
an amical, amicable divorce. And that's and that's what the knowledge,
By the way, guys, that I do think that he
has his next guy lined up in Girad Mayo.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Interesting Albert Breer Get him on Twitter at Albert Breers,
senior NFL reporter at the MMQB. Always good stuff, Albert,
We appreciate it. Let's do it again next week.
Speaker 5 (28:07):
Awesome. Thanks, guys, have a good one.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
It is Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here
on Fox Sports Radio. Yeah, it's at least, at the
very least, it's it's getting a little awkward in New England,
it seems like with Belichick and Robert Kraft there. So
we get to see how that all shapes up over
the next year or so.
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Speaker 2 (29:07):
So your guys, Sean Clifford, the man who played at
Penn State LeVar Arrington all the way up until age
fifty five. Yeah, and he is now a member of
the Green Bay Packers and he's got Aaron Rodgers locker.
And there's been a lot of conversation about him having
Aaron Rodgers locker in Green Bay. And they didn't wait
(29:29):
very long at all. It's like the Rams held Obj's
jersey up in a locker well past the time that
it was clear he wasn't joining him yet. The body
wasn't even cold from Rogers leaving the Packers, and they
couldn't get rid of that locker fast enough and give
it to Sean Clifford. So that was given to Sean
(29:49):
Clifford this offseason. And apparently Aaron Rodgers, you know, out
of the kindness of his heart, good good gesture on
behalf of Rogers, sent Sean Clifford and auti graph number
twelve jersey from his time with the Green Bay Packers
and wrote on the back of it quote Sean, welcome
to green Bay, enjoy that great city and my locker,
(30:11):
and then sign the jersey to send to Sean Clifford,
you know, just a kind gesture that I feel like
somebody somewhere is going to read too much into and
assume that it was Rogers being passive aggressive or taking
some sort of a dig at the Packers and Sean Clifford.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
I mean, that is, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (30:28):
You think so?
Speaker 4 (30:30):
I just it could easily be, it could easily be
interpreted that way.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
I thought it was just being kind, just a nice gesture.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
I mean, I mean, why wouldn't you send him a
jersey and do all of those well wishes without him
being in the locker.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Why did it take him being in the locker for
him to send that.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
I think maybe he wanted to make him feel comfortable
about having the locker because there was a lot of
speculation about it.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
You know, yeah, I think that's passive aggressive.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
You think that's past aggressive.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Yes, wow, ten dollars, that'll be ten dollars Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Okay, so Rogers those ten dollars. Thank god. I thought
I was going to get a taxed for that. But
I just I look at it, and I go, he's
just he's being a nice guy. He send Sean Clifford
a jersey.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
I mean, what's the what's the purpose of sending the
jersey signs saying that and enjoying my locker you know
what that's like, that's like, oh you met my ex girlfriend,
my ex wife, my whatever, and yeah, that like that's
that's that's you know, imagine I appreciate you being there.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
You know, and I hope you enjoyed you.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Know, my ex imagine that, like, you don't need you
don't need to offer that.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Sign of your wedding ring and sending it over to
it and being like, hey, have fun, take it out
for a spin on me.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
You know, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Here's fifty bucks.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
And that's the equivalent. To be honest to me, that's
the equivalent. There's no reason to do that. You just didn't.
You didn't need to, you didn't need to do it.
So I take that as a passive aggressive move on
on Aaron Rodgers's part.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Yeah, I just think I think Rogers, you know, the
idea that he's out, you know, trying to you know,
make this sort of a gesture and then immediately it
blows up in his face, and now we're claiming that
he's being passive aggressive. The guy can't win. I mean,
God for Biddy crawls underground, you know, hangs out with
earthworms and golfers and then comes out decides he wants
(32:25):
to play. The organization has already moved on. They didn't
want anything to do with them. They waited for the
one non MVP season to kind of move on without
Aaron Rodgers. He's turned over a new leaf. He's missed
positivity with the Jets. He's going to Knicks games, He's
going to Rangers games. He's taking all these rookies under
his wing and just kind of embracing the idea of
(32:45):
playing for a new franchise. Has been nothing but kind
to the people of Green Bay, the local businesses, the
fan base, everybody there. And then send Sean Clifford a
jersey that's going to be worth a fortune someday. And
now we're accusing him of being passive aggressive about it.
The guy can't win. It's not fair.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
I mean, you make a good case for him, but
I still think that the jury comes in with a
guilty verdict.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Do you think it's a passive aggressive.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Do you think it would have been better if he
had autographed a COVID mask and send it to him
that would have really made the whole thing, with the
whole presentation something you know, just autograph a nice little
COVID test, just send it over to him, or a
COVID mask. One of those two. Maybe that would have
been fun. Or maybe he's got a couple of you know,
eight by twelves of Olivia mon lying around somewhere. You
(33:34):
could autograph one of those. I'm just saying there's a
lot of stuff that he could have given him that
would have, you know, made people think odd things and
feel like he's a bad guy. And insteady autographs of jersey.
That thing's going to be worth at least a half
million dollars.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Do you think.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
I don't know about that, but I will say it's
it's it's a passive aggressive move.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Like it just is.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
I don't I don't think there's any way around that.
Like you, if you felt that way about him, you
should have sent him a jersey before you knew about
him being in your locker. You know about him getting
your locker, and now you want to send a jersey
and say, oh, enjoy my locker.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
That's just that's that's passive aggressive.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
But if we use the analogy of you know, dating
your acts. Yes, no, maybe he just wants to make
sure there's no awkward tension here, like, hey, it's all good.
I've moved on to better things.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
Like you have a baby mama. You know what I mean,
Like like I have to see you, so.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
You know what I mean? Like that. That's not the
case here.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Aaron Rodgers doesn't have to see what's going on in
that locker room.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
He's moved on.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
So if there's no reason to like, if you've moved on,
there's no reason for you to even like do that.
That's a swipe. I mean, you've moved on, Like you
guys have moved on from one another. What are like
you're not handling affairs for Green Bay anymore. You didn't
have to send a welcoming Aaron Rodgers jersey to the
(35:02):
new quarterback that has your locker.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Now, okay, what if you sent an autograph number eleven
to pick anybody who wore number eleven after you at
Penn State.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
I mean, but what are the circumstances.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
They have your old locker?
Speaker 4 (35:20):
I mean, we've created a tradition, so of course I
could send a signed jersey or something saying enjoy my
locker and enjoy rocking them sticks like, of course, because
it's a rite of passage. I don't play anymore. I'm
not an active player. Aaron Rodgers is. Aaron Rodgers is
an active player. It's well documented that he's had disagreements
(35:44):
with the front office and he took a slight like
that was a slight.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
You know what.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
The move for the Packers, we really want to turn
this up a notch. The move for the Packers of
Brian Goodakoun's pulling Sean Clifford aside and saying, hey man,
crazy circumstance here, but the number twelve is actually opened up.
What do you think? And Sean Clifford should accept and
then we see how this thing all plays out. Because
Rogers won't be able to keep his mouth shut. If
that's the case, he will figure out a way to
(36:11):
take a Digrian Guda Kunston the organization.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
He's going to figure out how to take digs anyway.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Yeah, he's very very good at it. So there's there's
the update on Aaron Rodgers and the remnants of Aaron
Rodgers still in Green Bay with the Packers.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
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