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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming
up on this Wednesday edition, we got a big time
deal done for quarterbacks in the NFL. It's justin Herbert.
What does it mean for Joe Burrow moving forward? We're
going to discuss that. Plus Albert Brear is going to
stop by to break it all down for you. Jim
Harbaugh potentially suspended for the first four games of the season,
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does it really matter? We're also going to talk about
a fired up Ron Rivera. We're going to discuss another
deal that was done, one involving the Dallas Cowboys and
what it means for their future moving forward. We've got
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How the hell we feel in here on a Wednesday morning?
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Good fired, out going, great man. Not as good as
Justin Herberts doin O goodness.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
How about that Dealhu, Justin Herbert They get it done.
You figured it was gonna happen, hopefully for the Chargers
this offseason. They've been talking about it. There'd been rumblings
about it. But it's a five year, two hundred and
sixty two and a half million dollar contract extent. It
includes a no trade clause one hundred and thirty three
point seven and fully guarantees, one hundred and ninety three
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point seven million in injury guarantees. Justin Herbert gets paid.
It was his turn, his time to get a bite
at the apple, and so now the chargers have him
locked in for the next several years. Was that an apple, Yeah,
it might have been a whole produce.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yeah, it might have been an entire apple tree, apple tree.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Yeah, a good couple.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
All right, financial guru, step right up, step right up.
What does this deal really look like? Braydon quinn?
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Okay, okay, okay, let's just pump the brakes. Okay, A
few things.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
First off, here's what happens when these deals get reported. Okay,
we start looking at numbers and the agents are feeding
it to the media, and the media is blowing certain
numbers out of proportion because you see the two hundred
and sixty two and a half million. Oh, it's the
biggest effort. Okay, he's got two years left on his deal.
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It's an extension. And so as it looks right now, yeah,
his new money average surpasses that of Jalen Hurts and
others that have signed their deal, a leap frog that.
But when you take into account he's played three years,
so he really had two years left on his rookie
deal if you include the fifth year option, and so
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it brings the average way down. So what's being reported
is one thing. What the actual reality of the contract
when you include his two years that he was under
contract under it's something entirely different. Now it doesn't matter,
right Like, at the end of the day, none of
that matters. They got him under contract, they extended them.
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I think the tough thing, and I've said this time
and time again, is no one's, no quarterback and no
other player for that matter, no one's contract's ever going
to stand up to the deal that Jimmy HASLM gave
to Sean Watson.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
They're just not They're just not.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
That being a five year, fully guaranteed deal at signing,
no questions, no other will. You know, it's an injury guarantee.
This he can have up to these guarantees or this
total value at this point, none of that.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
It was just a five year, fully guaranteed deal.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
None of it is even going to come close to that,
or at least none of the contracts that have been signed.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
So it's a it's a.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Fair contract, it's a good contract. It doesn't matter really
what we think at the contract. It's the one that
Justin Herbert signed. It's the one that the Chargers needed
to get him under in order to have control over
him now for the next seven years. And more so
than that, Like, it really doesn't matter. Like this deal
will probably get renegotiated if he plays the way we
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think he's going to play over the course of the next three.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Or four years.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
You know, they'll probably have to restructure it at times
to make cap space because they believe it's their franchise quarterback. So,
you know, we can dig into details of it, but
the hard thing is is it pales into comparison to
Watson's deal most are going to and that has everything
to do with the fact that Jimmy haslm's got deep
pockets and he was willing to be He's willing to
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sign a quarterback that he believes in to a fully
guaranteed deal where a portion of that, you know, those
guarantees has to go in escro and most owners are
not willing to do that. They're not going to give
you some huge contract with two hundred and thirty million
dollars guaranteed at signing it's just it's not gonna happen.
There might be practical, practical guarantees involved in it, and
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there isn't in this particular deal, but you're not going
to see that sort of structure because most the owners
don't have the type of money that Jimmy Haslt has.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
Well, I think it does. Let's let's start looking at
in my opinion.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Do you feel like he had done enough to warrant
the extension, given that he's still tenderly was under control
for two more years. Did you feel like because look,
the Bengals haven't signed Burrow.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah, maybe they will.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Before the season starts, but they haven't signed him an
extension yet.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
I think it's a wise move on I think it's
a wise move on both both party parties part and
I'll tell you why, because with two years left, the
value could tremendously go up for those players. Right if
you don't sign Herbert and Burrow over this amount of time,
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that price tag could be crazy, crazy large, much larger
than what they're going to be able to sign them
for today.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
That's that's the value.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
For the organization, for the franchise, for the player. If
if we always have the conversation of betting on yourself,
or you know, if if it makes sense to do
a better deal later based off of your performance and
your body of work. But just as much as your
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your accomplishments can go up, they could also plummet as well.
You know, you're you're always one injury away from not
only not being as good, you're one injury away from
not playing. And so I think when you take the
security of a contract so large and the value of
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it being what it is, I think it was a
win for both sides. And I think everybody is going
while they may not get to what Deshaun Watson was
able to do, everybody's going, at least I won't say everybody,
every single elite level quarterback like a Herbert, like a Burrow.
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They are going to work off of the premise of
here is the established value of who the best quarterback,
well best highest paid quarterback, and they will use the
argument point that he's probably not a better quarterback than me,
or that he's not a better quarterback than our client.
And so while you may not get that same exact contract,
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these teams and these franchises are going to be saddled
with with the with the responsibility of being competitive, some
type of way to how Deshaun Watson was compensated. And
so that's where you're going to hear the number two
sixty or to seventy or whatever it may be. Hell,
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they may get to three hundred with what it is
that they say pretty soon. So and whether it's it's
fully guaranteed or not, the value of it, I think
makes it feasible for the player to say, I'm the
franchise quarterback, I'm the next one up. Yes, I'm okay
with doing it. I think that's what makes the most
sense of it in the way, at least I'm interpreting it.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
I think quarterbacks recently are put into four different categories.
You're ready for these four categories. Sure, you're paid for accomplishment,
You're paid for potential, you're paid for both, or you're
paid out of desperation. I think Joe Burrow, when he
gets paid, is going to be paid for both what
he's accomplished and potential. Same with Lamar Jackson. I think
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Justin Herbert is being paid on potential, and I think
Deshaun Watson got paid because they were desperate, and Baker
Mayfield basically said, I'm not coming back, and if you
wanted to land Deshaun Watson, who wanted to go elsewhere,
you were going to have to overpay. And I think
that continues to be, to Brady's point, the outlier that
everybody looks at and goes, who's going to beat it?
Nobody recently and apparently nobody anytime soon, it looks like,
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and that continues to be a team that got desperate
and forked out a bunch of money to pay for
a guy with all sorts of things on his track
record and brought him in because they were desperate to
have a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
People who who question whether or not, you know, he
should have gotten this contract at this point, you know,
like has he gotten to the point where he should
be one of those guys just viewed that way. I
don't think there's any question about I think if you
watch Justin Herbert play, you'd say to yourself, that's a
franchise quarterbacks. He literally exhibits all of the qualities you're
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looking for, and then statistically kind of backs it up.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Right.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
He's throwing for more yards in his first three seasons
than anyone in the NFL history. In NFL history, he's
second to Marino in touchdown passes in that span. You know,
you look at his quarterback rating on all that, it's
one of the highest for the first three years. Again
for a player this young in the league. And remember
when he went in his rookie year, he was not
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slated to be the guy. It was Tyrod Taylor until
one of their medical professionals punctured a lung and they
thrusted Justin Herbert In And he's never looked back. I
mean baptism by fire or baptism by needle to someone's
lung by Yeah, So if you think about it from
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that perspective, it's pretty remarkable to think like he has
taken over the reins, never looked back with it, and
has gotten him to a point where I think we
always look at them to take that next step. Now
the question is can they take that next step. I
don't think it's all on him. I think they need
to as a team to do this. And by the
way this contract is set up where it allows them
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to be able to bring along some of their other
players to who are on this roster, they've done a
good job drafting, there's a lot of young talent around them.
They're gonna have to extend guys and restructure some deals.
So I like this deal for all parties involved. It
definitely didn't maximize the market value. But I don't know
that he necessarily could have, just because of the ownership
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there with the Chargers, and then also maybe because you
know they're kind of looking at where he's at and
he's got two years left on his deal, and I
don't think he wanted to press the point of of
getting to free agency, where most times you see guys
then really get that big, big money deal like a
Dak Prescott. Uh, maybe you could use Deshaun Watson situation,
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even though I'm still baffled by by how he had
any leverage in that particular spot.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
It was more of like Cleveland.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
He likes to be in a position where they leverage him.
They used a leverage on him. It's a great point.
It's a great point. Yeah, So he used that expertise
of knowing how to allow people to use the leverage
on him, and and his practice in being manipulated while
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manipulating to get that cart.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah, you don't think I can flex my leverage.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Watch this, that's a whole lot of practice.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
He got his leverage, grew, people grew as time went on,
and then it went back down. But he got it
while the good getting was good, while wile the growing
was well.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Uh, do you guys, if I were to ask you
right now just your confidence heading into next season, because
I think we everybody agrees the Chiefs are the team
to beat in the AFC West obviously, maybe in the
entire league again, obviously, who are you more confident in
going into next year or going into this season? The
Chargers of the Broncos in that division.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Oh, I mean, I've got a pretty good ideal with
the what the charges are going to be. I mean
that being said though, and I've said this before, like
if they don't have a good year, is Brandon Staley safe?
Speaker 1 (13:28):
It's over. He's gone to which I think he's.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
A good coach, and I think it's a I'm not
gonna say it's odd because we've seen this organization. We've
seen a fire a coach that went went fourteen to two,
Marty Schottenheimer. Yeah, and they lost the first round of
the playoffs. They fired him.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Yeah, Well, in the round two We've.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Seen that before from the Chargers organization, so I'm not
surprised by anything they do. I think Staley's a good coach,
but they just haven't been able to, I think, reach
everyone's expectations for how good that roster looks on paper.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
And I also think the guy who's sitting in a
really good spot is Kellen Moore, because if Justin Herbert
has a great year, but say they come up short,
Brandon Staley's going to be the guy in the hook,
and they're not going to want to take away any
sort of chemistry that he's built with Kellen Moore. And
Kellen Moore, who's already been interviewed for jobs, I feel
like he's the heir apparent there to take over the
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reins an offensive mind with Justin Herbert, like it feels
like he's in a pretty adventae fish.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
If that's the case, then they're already in a bad space.
You can you can't approach a hiring of a high
profile coach like Kellen Moore, and that be what the
scenario is. We watched how that became a conversation in Dallas,
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you know, with Quinn and with and with McCarthy and I.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Think it ultimately played a part. I really do.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
If I think if Mike McCarthy was being honest, totally
honest with himself and with with the media when he
was interviewed, he would have probably said and admitted, yes,
it gave me an unnecessary feeling of stress as it
applies to me being able to do my job at
the highest level that I can.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Do it at.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
So I would hope that the Chargers aren't or haven't
made that higher with that kind of being a whispered
narrative that's taking place. Kellen Moore has been brought in
to make sure that that offense can be better than
what it has been an unlocked maybe the potential that
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we may have not even seen yet from Jordan Herbert.
That's his sole purpose, justin I have a cousin named
Jordan Herbert and I always mess this name. I do,
I do. And he played for or Toledo excuse me,
he played for Toledo. It was really good and safety
yeah yeah, Jordan.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Herber, I believe I can fly oh.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Oh no oh no, oh oh oh yeah. So I
you know, I think I think that they got to
be careful of that one. Jonas if I'm if I'm
if I'm the LA Chargers. We have the makings of
a competitive team in the West. That means you got
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some big guns firing, So you got to keep the
main thing the main thing in a scenario like this,
and I think that that's why they did the contract
as well. Like this is a big year for them
to take that step forward. You guys mentioned it's a
big year for Staley as the coach. It's a big
year for Herbert now that he signed his new deal.
It's a big year for a team that is being
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looked at to be more competitive than what they were.
But but we're actually they're like on the cusp. This
is like a CUSP team. So I think you gotta
be careful of narratives like that, even though I know
you like creating, you know, trying to do Yeah, it
was good, I mean it was good the way you
lobbed it out there. To be honest, they have to
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fight against that though. They have to be resistant to
Like I would shut those claims down immediately. You do
not want it to come across as this is a
coach that could lose his job before the seasons even end.
Before season's end, and we have the air parent right
here in our in our building already like that's you're
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cutting his legs from underneath him and he's not going
to be able to be the type of coach that
he needs to be. If that's what's circulating around that building.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Dangle it out there, see what happened. Somebody, come take
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Speaker 1 (17:43):
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who that is.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Next.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
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now here on FSR. So, apparently Jim Harbaugh, the head
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coach of Michigan, could be in a little bit of trouble.
According to Ross Dellinger of Yahoo Sports, the NCAA is
working towards a four game suspension of Jim Harbaugh. And
this goes back to some false statements he made to
investigators that were looking into some recruiting violations. I had
forgotten about this. That was this when he had some
recruit out for a cheeseburger at some place and then
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light about it or.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Something like that.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
And yeah, I think something over that period of time,
maybe through COVID or something else, there's things going on.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Yeah, so some you know, those recruiting violations pop up,
and apparently they don't take highly to somebody giving them
misleading information or making false statements. And so Jim Harbaugh
is going to be pop for four games with just
a real daunting schedule during the first four games for
the Michigan Wolverines. I mean, if only we had boots
on the ground coverage of Big Ten media days to
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you know, get some answers to this stuff. I mean,
if only we had somebody in Indianapolis right now, you know.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
I mean, I'm here.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
I'm not sure I'm gonna able to get those answers
right now, given that D Day as an officially started
this morning.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
But I am here.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
I'll have to get a sense for really, you know,
what the outlook is for Mission. I mean, the reality
is their non conference schedule is so easy. The four
game suspension really should not impact this team whatsoever. I
believe the fourth game they start Big Ten play, they
play Rutgers. Yeah, you know, and that's a team that
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the Greg Shadows did a good job with Rutgers, and
they're they're, you know, more competitive than I think they
used to be. But I think Michigan is so loaded
when you look at all the returning starters. JJ McCarthy
is back at quarterback for him, Blake korm Edwards as
well and running back. Their offensive line almost the entire
majority of it that won the Joe Moore Award for
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Best offensive Line in the Country. Seven of the eleven
starters on defense, Junior Colson really highlights that group.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
It is a talented, talented team.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
I mean, if you're a Michigan fan, you should feel
really really good about where you stand in regards to
the suspension and all that.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
It's more for optics.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
It's not going to play an impact in my opinion
on this team this season.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Yeah, I totally agree with you.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
I think they got one or two transfers for their
offensive line too, like from like major major players. Like
their offensive line is probably going to be the maybe
the sickest offensive line in all of college football.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
They have that potential wow this upcoming season.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
So, I mean, I was going to say Penn State,
but I mean, if you're big into celebrating Michigan's offensive line,
I was going to go, we are, but I mean.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
Well we have some, we have some. This is going
to be an amazing year for Penn State projection wise.
I mean, this is this will be the first year
where if they don't do more, if they don't do
more more, that you might start to have criticisms that
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the criticisms that have always been lobbed is that Frank
can recruit, but he doesn't he can't coach. Like that's
what everybody kind of that that talks bad about him
what they use and what they say. I've said that
that's a pretty harsh statement considering what he's had to
build that program from. And if people understand how hard
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it is to have tried to recover from what he
came in too and built out of, uh, I think
you would have a little bit of a different, you know,
kind of perspective of it. But this is that year,
like with this type of roster that they have, they
should have maybe, I mean, I know Clemson has a
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really really good linebacking corps. There are there are a
couple couple of teams out there that have some some
really good linebacker Obviously Georgia is going to have backers
in Alabama. But I don't see a better linebacking corps
three to to five deep then than Penn State. And
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and I'm not saying that because we're linebacker you, even
though we are linebacker you. But I mean, that's that's
actually the truth. We have some studs. I mean, Curtis
Jacobs is a stud. Abdul Carter new sticks sticks to
the fourth there there, they're they're studs. So and in
the defensive line, the defensive front, I mean, we got
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one of you know best tandem there too in our
secondary So anyway, I'm not you got me gushing over
my Miama mater, but Michigan. Back to the original point,
I believe you know, four game suspension. I don't think
it hurts them at all to not have Jim Harball,
John Harball, Jim Jim Jim Harball on the sideline. So
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but my biggest question here is just knowing knowing that
this actually took place in Arizona State as well. And
I guess when you're losing, things get a little bit
more confusing when they take place. But when you're talking
about the ethics of it all and the code of conduct,
you know, everybody has all of these these hard conversations
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about what's going on with the players and the players
doing this and the players doing that, and what are
the rules for the players and this, that and the other.
I would I would throw the question back to you guys,
is this a bigger issue with with these types of
of of things surfacing as it applies to Okay, well,
we con minimize and say it was just getting a
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burger during a downtime, but I mean again, when it
applies to a player, the one thing that we.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Say is, well, the rules are the rules.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
It could you know, it could have been as simple
as somebody helped the kid with a flat tire and
the kid is in trouble, all this, that and the other.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Well, the rules are the rules.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
So the fact that he broke the rules knowing that
those were the rules, how should we be looking at that?
Because again, these coaches will come out and talk crazy
about each other. Lane Kiffin has talked about it. We've
heard Saban come out and talk about it. Fish, what's
the coach at Texas A and M He's come out
and talked about it, and they're taking shots at one another,
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you know, So how does that look to me?
Speaker 4 (24:52):
That would be the bigger for me. The bigger takeaway
is what is the conduct aspect of this?
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Maybe I just have more negative outlook on this stuff,
which is rare because I normally am pretty positive and
upbeat about just mankind and humanity. But I just assumed
that everybody's doing something that if the NCAA looked hard enough,
they could probably throw a fuss about. And this four
games feels like almost as if they're making an example
out of him that they got a little bit pissy
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because maybe he was being a wise ass and said,
oh no, I didn't get a burger with somebody. Why
would I do that? He doesn't eat meat, he's a vegan.
Like it could have been some conversation like that. And
then they go ahead and they lay down the hammer
for four games. And then I wonder if the schedule
was a little bit more difficult, would they have still
popped in four games? Because he is he is a star,
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I mean, Michigan Harbob being there like he's revitalized the program.
And it just feels like maybe they looked at you
know who we had coming up early in the season
and said, well, you know, before we get to Nebraska.
You know, I know they got Rutgers, what were they
four and eight last year. Let's go ahead and pop
him for the first month of the season, and then
it'll show like we're really laying.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Down the hammer.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
I don't know, Like I'm just a little bit skeptical
that this is really.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Down given in light of like recent events.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I just it's hard to put it into context with
some of the other stuff that has come out recently
that falls under a head coach at Purview.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
So there's an integrity aspect of this, there's.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
An element where you know you hear, okay, lying to
n SEE officials during an investigation.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
You know you do that.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
In the court of law, it's perjury, right, Like, this
isn't necessarily that, but it is unethical. It's it's a
moral it's setting a bad example. You know you supend
suspending guy four games?
Speaker 3 (26:41):
All right?
Speaker 2 (26:41):
I mean, how much more punitive do I think you
want it to be? I think it's punitive enough where
he's gone for a significant amount of time and when
he comes back, they've got the get they jump right
into the meat of the schedule and they're playing Big
ten football. So I'm not really sure how much more
they felt like they could do, or how much more
this really warrants. Ultimately, I don't try to read it
(27:04):
to this stuff too much unless there's something that comes
out that's that damning. It seems like it's it's somewhat fair.
I mean, you'd have to ask yourself, is the university
are they more frustrated or upset with finding this out?
Forget the NCAA for for that matter, are they more
frustrating and upset about that?
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Like do they feel like, look, yeah, That's.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
The point is it looks bad, you know, when you're
representing the University of Michigan, and and this is what
comes from this.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
And he's also kind of jerked them around the last.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Couple of years.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, I mean he's explored opportunities. I don't know that
he's jerked them around necessarily. But I think in the end,
it comes down to who should be most frustrated by
what's been become public, and it's it's probably the university.
But given the track record they've been on and given
(28:01):
what maybe people feel like on the cuspper able to
able to do in winning a national championship, I just
don't think they're going to make that move.
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Speaker 7 (30:48):
Morning everybody, Good morning, Jonas, Good morning LeVar, Good morning Brady, guys.
In case you missed this, the Celtics in Start Jaylen Brownavan.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
Shut the.
Speaker 7 (31:03):
Hayley, Hey Brady A LeVar Right, guys, In case you
missed this, the Celtics and Start Jalen Brown have agreed
to a five year, three hundred four million super Max extension,
the richest contract in the NBA history.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
How bad it, huh? How about all that criticism he
got in the playoffs and turned it into a three
hundred million dollar deal.
Speaker 5 (31:25):
Good for him, Good for him, super.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Max and he getting every penny of it too, getting
every penny. And then I think Jalen Brown's up for
the Supermax next year, so they're gonna have like six
hundred million dollars tied into those two guys. Yeah, oh yeah.
Tatum's due next year, so they're gonna have like six
hundred million dollars tight into Tatum and Brown. So it's
(31:49):
all good. The in law has got to be happy, Brady.
They're keeping Jalen Brown thoughts of they were gonna trade
him everything's good in Boston.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not sure that really moved
the new for the end laws. But it's crazy to
me the money that the the NBA stars are able
to make TV NBA, you know, role players are able
to make. It makes you look back at the NFL
and clearly there's different economics to it.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
You just go, holy cow.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
For a sport that you know, you'd think, i mean dominates,
dominates the United States, you'd think that they would be
able to get their players paid more int a greater capacity.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
But it's tough, different roster sizes, everything else.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
That goes along with it. But good for him, man,
good for him. That's a hell of a deal.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Guys.
Speaker 7 (32:39):
We've talked about the series on Netflix Quarterback being picked
up for a second season. Well, there's already quarterbacks turning
down the offer to be featured on said second season.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
That being Matthew Stafford. He has reportedly turned down Netflix.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
I thought he'd turned it down for the first season.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Probably not. Well, now he's going to in a row. Okay,
so yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
I.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Saw this article.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
I thought he turned it down for the first season,
and then someone else they had asked turned it down
for season two.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
I don't know, I don't know. I might have missed nothing.
Maybe it was Kelly Stafford who turned it down. Maybe
that's where the confusion was here. I mean, which you
you know, let's let's say let's just you know, for
the sake of the story, let's say Matt Stafford. You know,
they approached him to be on the Quarterback this year.
I don't know that this would be the year that
Matt Stafford will want to be on it, just from
(33:34):
the standpoint that it feels like things are a little
awkward between him and the Rams. Like there was a
story that you know, they were trying to move him
this offseason, then they got upset because they wanted to
restructure the deal and he didn't want to restructure the deal.
It just feels like the Rams are in kind of
no man's land, and maybe Matt Stafford just wouldn't want
to be a part of that if in case, he
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turned down this year and not last year. You know, hypothetical,
all hypothetic. Go would you guys want to be on
a reality show and they'll approach you?
Speaker 3 (34:04):
No?
Speaker 4 (34:08):
I would, I would entertain it, but I would have
an agenda. As long as I have an.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Agenda, that's shocking.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
Yeah, as long as I had an agenda, I would
you know, I would consider it.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
So you're trying to tell me this would not be
genuine content.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
It would all be an agenda driven.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
No, it would be. It would be genuine.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
It would just be thought out, like I would still
be directing things where I would like for them to go,
or I would need to know that it's going in
this certain direction.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
These things will be highlighted.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
You would need to be the executive producer of content
creation because a lot of people, a lot of those
people are.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
Just control, creative impact or creative some Yeah, yes, producing crests. Yeah,
I wouldn't want I don't need the producing credits.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
I mean I want them, but I would consider it.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
You're pretty good at it, though, because you you made
that video where I was showing off my two thousand
and seven Brooks. Yeah, yesterday, and studio.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
And people were pumped up about it too.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Not really the comments weren't exactly all kind, but.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Not all of them.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
But you know, I could I could certainly say, look
at the comments that I get your on your threads
so we could compare in contrast.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
I mean, you know.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
It right, But it was very well put together, like
it looked, it looked professional. I don't know that it'd
be capable of that.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
Yeah, that was good. There was an agenda there too.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Was there? Show how much better your shoe game is?
Speaker 5 (35:45):
No, I mean my shoe game is better than yours.
But no, no, that wasn't That wasn't the agenda. It
was the show your personality, you know, show how cool
you are.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
My shoe game is the worst on the show correct.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
Competition. There's no competition going on. You know, we just
you know, we're just living.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Brady shoe games better than mine. I would say, you're
probably ahead of Brady, So I'm clearly.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
You say I'm probably ahead of Braid killing Brady and
the snickers he's got.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
He's got a nice ultra boost.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
I'm not even in the game. I'm not even trying
to be in the game.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, like, lets everybody play
their lane. Man, you know, my lane is pointing at
my shoes. That's all.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
So if I could do a reality show where I
could actually point down to my shoes, you know during
the show, I would I would strongly consider doing it.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
What else?
Speaker 3 (36:42):
What else?
Speaker 7 (36:43):
Yeah, guys, we yesterday were talking about life, bet Jesus,
looking forward to the return of LBJ.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Possibly on Twitter wait possibly yeah, pleas.
Speaker 7 (36:55):
On the Twitter machine or the X machine, whatever you want.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
To call it.
Speaker 7 (36:59):
Guys, if you are betting baseball, you might know the
first pitch bet. If you hear that name, you might
know that. It's like betting on where that first pitch
might go. What it might be, a ball, might be
a strike. Well, one lucky better put one thousand dollars
down on the Saint Louis Cardinals hitting a single off
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the first pitch off Ryan Nelson and earned thirty three
thousand dollars because DH Brendan Donovan went ahead and just
did just that. So one thousand dollars, thirty three thousand.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
I just love that. The fact that they couldn't wait
around for the full completion of the game or even
the first inning. They said, I gotta get I gotta
get my my bump. Now, can I get a.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Little bit talking about your strategy?
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Yeah, I just I like it the impatience of amblers,
you know, I just like it that. But one thousand
dollars Jesus on the first pitch. I gotta understand like
letting the entire gameplay out, but a thousand dollars in
the first pitch is a bit much. It's like, you know,
I ten to twenty times more than what I would do.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
I think I'm actually confusing you with one of my buddies.
He does some sort of early like first like early
game prop bet, and then from there it's like house money.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Oh yeah, no, I've done, I've done. I do that
all the time.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
It's like a yeah, he wins a lot, you don't.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Yeah, but that's but that's not the point. The point is,
you know, you take a shot and then you just
see what happens after that. And so sometimes you'll take
that shot before you leave the house to go to
the bar, and sometimes that shot doesn't sit well, and
most of the time mine doesn't. His does. So a
congratulation to him. Wow, I don't know why you have
to rub it in my face. And I'm not as
good of a gambler as your buddy.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
Oh, I'm just glad.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
I'm just glad leaves here. And he's a much better
gambled than you.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Oh, is it?
Speaker 4 (38:48):
Oh? Did he just snort? Snort? Wow? Was over there?
Speaker 3 (38:54):
What we got going on?
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Sorry?
Speaker 4 (38:55):
Lee?
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Why is there white powder on your mic?
Speaker 4 (38:57):
Oh? My god?
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Oh no? Hey Lee.
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Speaker 2 (01:38):
Good fired, out going, great man. Not as good as
Justin Herberts doin O goodness.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
How about that Dealhu, Justin Herbert They get it done.
You figured it was gonna happen, hopefully for the Chargers
this offseason. They've been talking about it. There'd been rumblings
about it. But it's a five year, two hundred and
sixty two and a half million dollar contract extent. It
includes a no trade clause one hundred and thirty three
point seven and fully guarantees, one hundred and ninety three
(02:07):
point seven million in injury guarantees. Justin Herbert gets paid.
It was his turn, his time to get a bite
at the apple, and so now the chargers have him
locked in for the next several years. Was that an apple, Yeah,
it might have been a whole produce.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yeah, it might have been an entire apple tree, apple tree.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Yeah, a good couple.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
All right, financial guru, step right up, step right up.
What does this deal really look like? Braydon quinn?
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Okay, okay, okay, let's just pump the brakes. Okay, A
few things.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
First off, here's what happens when these deals get reported. Okay,
we start looking at numbers and the agents are feeding
it to the media, and the media is blowing certain
numbers out of proportion because you see the two hundred
and sixty two and a half million. Oh, it's the
biggest effort. Okay, he's got two years left on his deal.
(02:58):
It's an extension. And so as it looks right now, yeah,
his new money average surpasses that of Jalen Hurts and
others that have signed their deal, a leap frog that.
But when you take into account he's played three years,
so he really had two years left on his rookie
deal if you include the fifth year option, and so
(03:18):
it brings the average way down. So what's being reported
is one thing. What the actual reality of the contract
when you include his two years that he was under
contract under it's something entirely different. Now it doesn't matter,
right Like, at the end of the day, none of
that matters. They got him under contract, they extended them.
(03:40):
I think the tough thing, and I've said this time
and time again, is no one's, no quarterback and no
other player for that matter, no one's contract's ever going
to stand up to the deal that Jimmy HASLM gave
to Sean Watson.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
They're just not They're just not.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
That being a five year, fully guaranteed deal at signing,
no questions, no other will. You know, it's an injury guarantee.
This he can have up to these guarantees or this
total value at this point, none of that.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
It was just a five year, fully guaranteed deal.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
None of it is even going to come close to that,
or at least none of the contracts that have been signed.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
So it's a it's a.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Fair contract, it's a good contract. It doesn't matter really
what we think at the contract. It's the one that
Justin Herbert signed. It's the one that the Chargers needed
to get him under in order to have control over
him now for the next seven years. And more so
than that, Like, it really doesn't matter. Like this deal
will probably get renegotiated if he plays the way we
(04:46):
think he's going to play over the course of the next three.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Or four years.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
You know, they'll probably have to restructure it at times
to make cap space because they believe it's their franchise quarterback. So,
you know, we can dig into details of it, but
the hard thing is is it pales into comparison to
Watson's deal most are going to and that has everything
to do with the fact that Jimmy haslm's got deep
pockets and he was willing to be He's willing to
(05:11):
sign a quarterback that he believes in to a fully
guaranteed deal where a portion of that, you know, those
guarantees has to go in escro and most owners are
not willing to do that. They're not going to give
you some huge contract with two hundred and thirty million
dollars guaranteed at signing it's just it's not gonna happen.
There might be practical, practical guarantees involved in it, and
(05:33):
there isn't in this particular deal, but you're not going
to see that sort of structure because most the owners
don't have the type of money that Jimmy Haslt has.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
Well, I think it does. Let's let's start looking at
in my opinion.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Do you feel like he had done enough to warrant
the extension, given that he's still tenderly was under control
for two more years. Did you feel like because look,
the Bengals haven't signed Burrow.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah, maybe they will.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Before the season starts, but they haven't signed him an
extension yet.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
I think it's a wise move on I think it's
a wise move on both both party parties part and
I'll tell you why, because with two years left, the
value could tremendously go up for those players. Right if
you don't sign Herbert and Burrow over this amount of time,
(06:31):
that price tag could be crazy, crazy large, much larger
than what they're going to be able to sign them
for today.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
That's that's the value.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
For the organization, for the franchise, for the player. If
if we always have the conversation of betting on yourself,
or you know, if if it makes sense to do
a better deal later based off of your performance and
your body of work. But just as much as your
(07:05):
your accomplishments can go up, they could also plummet as well.
You know, you're you're always one injury away from not
only not being as good, you're one injury away from
not playing. And so I think when you take the
security of a contract so large and the value of
(07:30):
it being what it is, I think it was a
win for both sides. And I think everybody is going
while they may not get to what Deshaun Watson was
able to do, everybody's going, at least I won't say everybody,
every single elite level quarterback like a Herbert, like a Burrow.
(07:51):
They are going to work off of the premise of
here is the established value of who the best quarterback,
well best highest paid quarterback, and they will use the
argument point that he's probably not a better quarterback than me,
or that he's not a better quarterback than our client.
And so while you may not get that same exact contract,
(08:13):
these teams and these franchises are going to be saddled
with with the with the responsibility of being competitive, some
type of way to how Deshaun Watson was compensated. And
so that's where you're going to hear the number two
sixty or to seventy or whatever it may be. Hell,
(08:33):
they may get to three hundred with what it is
that they say pretty soon. So and whether it's it's
fully guaranteed or not, the value of it, I think
makes it feasible for the player to say, I'm the
franchise quarterback, I'm the next one up. Yes, I'm okay
with doing it. I think that's what makes the most
sense of it in the way, at least I'm interpreting it.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
I think quarterbacks recently are put into four different categories.
You're ready for these four categories. Sure, you're paid for accomplishment,
You're paid for potential, you're paid for both, or you're
paid out of desperation. I think Joe Burrow, when he
gets paid, is going to be paid for both what
he's accomplished and potential. Same with Lamar Jackson. I think
(09:19):
Justin Herbert is being paid on potential, and I think
Deshaun Watson got paid because they were desperate, and Baker
Mayfield basically said, I'm not coming back, and if you
wanted to land Deshaun Watson, who wanted to go elsewhere,
you were going to have to overpay. And I think
that continues to be, to Brady's point, the outlier that
everybody looks at and goes, who's going to beat it?
Nobody recently and apparently nobody anytime soon, it looks like,
(09:42):
and that continues to be a team that got desperate
and forked out a bunch of money to pay for
a guy with all sorts of things on his track
record and brought him in because they were desperate to
have a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
People who who question whether or not, you know, he
should have gotten this contract at this point, you know,
like has he gotten to the point where he should
be one of those guys just viewed that way. I
don't think there's any question about I think if you
watch Justin Herbert play, you'd say to yourself, that's a
franchise quarterbacks. He literally exhibits all of the qualities you're
(10:21):
looking for, and then statistically kind of backs it up.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Right.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
He's throwing for more yards in his first three seasons
than anyone in the NFL history. In NFL history, he's
second to Marino in touchdown passes in that span. You know,
you look at his quarterback rating on all that, it's
one of the highest for the first three years. Again
for a player this young in the league. And remember
when he went in his rookie year, he was not
(10:45):
slated to be the guy. It was Tyrod Taylor until
one of their medical professionals punctured a lung and they
thrusted Justin Herbert In And he's never looked back. I
mean baptism by fire or baptism by needle to someone's
lung by Yeah, So if you think about it from
(11:07):
that perspective, it's pretty remarkable to think like he has
taken over the reins, never looked back with it, and
has gotten him to a point where I think we
always look at them to take that next step. Now
the question is can they take that next step. I
don't think it's all on him. I think they need
to as a team to do this. And by the
way this contract is set up where it allows them
(11:29):
to be able to bring along some of their other
players to who are on this roster, they've done a
good job drafting, there's a lot of young talent around them.
They're gonna have to extend guys and restructure some deals.
So I like this deal for all parties involved. It
definitely didn't maximize the market value. But I don't know
that he necessarily could have, just because of the ownership
(11:50):
there with the Chargers, and then also maybe because you
know they're kind of looking at where he's at and
he's got two years left on his deal, and I
don't think he wanted to press the point of of
getting to free agency, where most times you see guys
then really get that big, big money deal like a
Dak Prescott. Uh, maybe you could use Deshaun Watson situation,
(12:10):
even though I'm still baffled by by how he had
any leverage in that particular spot.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
It was more of like Cleveland.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
He likes to be in a position where they leverage him.
They used a leverage on him. It's a great point.
It's a great point. Yeah, So he used that expertise
of knowing how to allow people to use the leverage
on him, and and his practice in being manipulated while
(12:39):
manipulating to get that cart.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah, you don't think I can flex my leverage.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Watch this, that's a whole lot of practice.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
He got his leverage, grew, people grew as time went on,
and then it went back down. But he got it
while the good getting was good, while wile the growing
was well.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Uh, do you guys, if I were to ask you
right now just your confidence heading into next season, because
I think we everybody agrees the Chiefs are the team
to beat in the AFC West obviously, maybe in the
entire league again, obviously, who are you more confident in
going into next year or going into this season? The
Chargers of the Broncos in that division.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Oh, I mean, I've got a pretty good ideal with
the what the charges are going to be. I mean
that being said though, and I've said this before, like
if they don't have a good year, is Brandon Staley safe?
Speaker 1 (13:28):
It's over. He's gone to which I think he's.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
A good coach, and I think it's a I'm not
gonna say it's odd because we've seen this organization. We've
seen a fire a coach that went went fourteen to two,
Marty Schottenheimer. Yeah, and they lost the first round of
the playoffs. They fired him.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Yeah, Well, in the round two We've.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Seen that before from the Chargers organization, so I'm not
surprised by anything they do. I think Staley's a good coach,
but they just haven't been able to, I think, reach
everyone's expectations for how good that roster looks on paper.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
And I also think the guy who's sitting in a
really good spot is Kellen Moore, because if Justin Herbert
has a great year, but say they come up short,
Brandon Staley's going to be the guy in the hook,
and they're not going to want to take away any
sort of chemistry that he's built with Kellen Moore. And
Kellen Moore, who's already been interviewed for jobs, I feel
like he's the heir apparent there to take over the
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reins an offensive mind with Justin Herbert, like it feels
like he's in a pretty adventae fish.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
If that's the case, then they're already in a bad space.
You can you can't approach a hiring of a high
profile coach like Kellen Moore, and that be what the
scenario is. We watched how that became a conversation in Dallas,
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you know, with Quinn and with and with McCarthy and I.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Think it ultimately played a part. I really do.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
If I think if Mike McCarthy was being honest, totally
honest with himself and with with the media when he
was interviewed, he would have probably said and admitted, yes,
it gave me an unnecessary feeling of stress as it
applies to me being able to do my job at
the highest level that I can.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Do it at.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
So I would hope that the Chargers aren't or haven't
made that higher with that kind of being a whispered
narrative that's taking place. Kellen Moore has been brought in
to make sure that that offense can be better than
what it has been an unlocked maybe the potential that
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we may have not even seen yet from Jordan Herbert.
That's his sole purpose, justin I have a cousin named
Jordan Herbert and I always mess this name. I do,
I do. And he played for or Toledo excuse me,
he played for Toledo. It was really good and safety
yeah yeah, Jordan.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Herber, I believe I can fly oh.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Oh no oh no, oh oh oh yeah. So I
you know, I think I think that they got to
be careful of that one. Jonas if I'm if I'm
if I'm the LA Chargers. We have the makings of
a competitive team in the West. That means you got
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some big guns firing, So you got to keep the
main thing the main thing in a scenario like this,
and I think that that's why they did the contract
as well. Like this is a big year for them
to take that step forward. You guys mentioned it's a
big year for Staley as the coach. It's a big
year for Herbert now that he signed his new deal.
It's a big year for a team that is being
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looked at to be more competitive than what they were.
But but we're actually they're like on the cusp. This
is like a CUSP team. So I think you gotta
be careful of narratives like that, even though I know
you like creating, you know, trying to do Yeah, it
was good, I mean it was good the way you
lobbed it out there. To be honest, they have to
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fight against that though. They have to be resistant to
Like I would shut those claims down immediately. You do
not want it to come across as this is a
coach that could lose his job before the seasons even end.
Before season's end, and we have the air parent right
here in our in our building already like that's you're
(17:28):
cutting his legs from underneath him and he's not going
to be able to be the type of coach that
he needs to be. If that's what's circulating around that building.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Dangle it out there, see what happened. Somebody, come take
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So we're gonna have the usuals coming up later on.
We got another edition of in case you missed it,
We've got some midweek awards, We've got the BQ News.
It's all yours here all the way up until nine
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somebody in the world of football, and we'll tell you
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who that is.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Next.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here coming
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the last twenty four hours, So again, make sure you
stick around for that. That'll be yours twenty minutes from
now here on FSR. So, apparently Jim Harbaugh, the head
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coach of Michigan, could be in a little bit of trouble.
According to Ross Dellinger of Yahoo Sports, the NCAA is
working towards a four game suspension of Jim Harbaugh. And
this goes back to some false statements he made to
investigators that were looking into some recruiting violations. I had
forgotten about this. That was this when he had some
recruit out for a cheeseburger at some place and then
(18:53):
light about it or.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Something like that.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
And yeah, I think something over that period of time,
maybe through COVID or something else, there's things going on.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Yeah, so some you know, those recruiting violations pop up,
and apparently they don't take highly to somebody giving them
misleading information or making false statements. And so Jim Harbaugh
is going to be pop for four games with just
a real daunting schedule during the first four games for
the Michigan Wolverines. I mean, if only we had boots
on the ground coverage of Big Ten media days to
(19:21):
you know, get some answers to this stuff. I mean,
if only we had somebody in Indianapolis right now, you know.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
I mean, I'm here.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
I'm not sure I'm gonna able to get those answers
right now, given that D Day as an officially started
this morning.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
But I am here.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
I'll have to get a sense for really, you know,
what the outlook is for Mission. I mean, the reality
is their non conference schedule is so easy. The four
game suspension really should not impact this team whatsoever. I
believe the fourth game they start Big Ten play, they
play Rutgers. Yeah, you know, and that's a team that
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the Greg Shadows did a good job with Rutgers, and
they're they're, you know, more competitive than I think they
used to be. But I think Michigan is so loaded
when you look at all the returning starters. JJ McCarthy
is back at quarterback for him, Blake korm Edwards as
well and running back. Their offensive line almost the entire
majority of it that won the Joe Moore Award for
(20:17):
Best offensive Line in the Country. Seven of the eleven
starters on defense, Junior Colson really highlights that group.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
It is a talented, talented team.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
I mean, if you're a Michigan fan, you should feel
really really good about where you stand in regards to
the suspension and all that.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
It's more for optics.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
It's not going to play an impact in my opinion
on this team this season.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Yeah, I totally agree with you.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
I think they got one or two transfers for their
offensive line too, like from like major major players. Like
their offensive line is probably going to be the maybe
the sickest offensive line in all of college football.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
They have that potential wow this upcoming season.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
So, I mean, I was going to say Penn State,
but I mean, if you're big into celebrating Michigan's offensive line,
I was going to go, we are, but I mean.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
Well we have some, we have some. This is going
to be an amazing year for Penn State projection wise.
I mean, this is this will be the first year
where if they don't do more, if they don't do
more more, that you might start to have criticisms that
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the criticisms that have always been lobbed is that Frank
can recruit, but he doesn't he can't coach. Like that's
what everybody kind of that that talks bad about him
what they use and what they say. I've said that
that's a pretty harsh statement considering what he's had to
build that program from. And if people understand how hard
(21:56):
it is to have tried to recover from what he
came in too and built out of, uh, I think
you would have a little bit of a different, you know,
kind of perspective of it. But this is that year,
like with this type of roster that they have, they
should have maybe, I mean, I know Clemson has a
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really really good linebacking corps. There are there are a
couple couple of teams out there that have some some
really good linebacker Obviously Georgia is going to have backers
in Alabama. But I don't see a better linebacking corps
three to to five deep then than Penn State. And
(22:37):
and I'm not saying that because we're linebacker you, even
though we are linebacker you. But I mean, that's that's
actually the truth. We have some studs. I mean, Curtis
Jacobs is a stud. Abdul Carter new sticks sticks to
the fourth there there, they're they're studs. So and in
the defensive line, the defensive front, I mean, we got
(22:58):
one of you know best tandem there too in our
secondary So anyway, I'm not you got me gushing over
my Miama mater, but Michigan. Back to the original point,
I believe you know, four game suspension. I don't think
it hurts them at all to not have Jim Harball,
John Harball, Jim Jim Jim Harball on the sideline. So
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but my biggest question here is just knowing knowing that
this actually took place in Arizona State as well. And
I guess when you're losing, things get a little bit
more confusing when they take place. But when you're talking
about the ethics of it all and the code of conduct,
you know, everybody has all of these these hard conversations
(23:45):
about what's going on with the players and the players
doing this and the players doing that, and what are
the rules for the players and this, that and the other.
I would I would throw the question back to you guys,
is this a bigger issue with with these types of
of of things surfacing as it applies to Okay, well,
we con minimize and say it was just getting a
(24:06):
burger during a downtime, but I mean again, when it
applies to a player, the one thing that we.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Say is, well, the rules are the rules.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
It could you know, it could have been as simple
as somebody helped the kid with a flat tire and
the kid is in trouble, all this, that and the other.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Well, the rules are the rules.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
So the fact that he broke the rules knowing that
those were the rules, how should we be looking at that?
Because again, these coaches will come out and talk crazy
about each other. Lane Kiffin has talked about it. We've
heard Saban come out and talk about it. Fish, what's
the coach at Texas A and M He's come out
and talked about it, and they're taking shots at one another,
(24:49):
you know, So how does that look to me?
Speaker 4 (24:52):
That would be the bigger for me. The bigger takeaway
is what is the conduct aspect of this?
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Maybe I just have more negative outlook on this stuff,
which is rare because I normally am pretty positive and
upbeat about just mankind and humanity. But I just assumed
that everybody's doing something that if the NCAA looked hard enough,
they could probably throw a fuss about. And this four
games feels like almost as if they're making an example
out of him that they got a little bit pissy
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because maybe he was being a wise ass and said,
oh no, I didn't get a burger with somebody. Why
would I do that? He doesn't eat meat, he's a vegan.
Like it could have been some conversation like that. And
then they go ahead and they lay down the hammer
for four games. And then I wonder if the schedule
was a little bit more difficult, would they have still
popped in four games? Because he is he is a star,
(25:41):
I mean, Michigan Harbob being there like he's revitalized the program.
And it just feels like maybe they looked at you
know who we had coming up early in the season
and said, well, you know, before we get to Nebraska.
You know, I know they got Rutgers, what were they
four and eight last year. Let's go ahead and pop
him for the first month of the season, and then
it'll show like we're really laying.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Down the hammer.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
I don't know, Like I'm just a little bit skeptical
that this is really.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Down given in light of like recent events.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I just it's hard to put it into context with
some of the other stuff that has come out recently
that falls under a head coach at Purview.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
So there's an integrity aspect of this, there's.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
An element where you know you hear, okay, lying to
n SEE officials during an investigation.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
You know you do that.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
In the court of law, it's perjury, right, Like, this
isn't necessarily that, but it is unethical. It's it's a
moral it's setting a bad example. You know you supend
suspending guy four games?
Speaker 3 (26:41):
All right?
Speaker 2 (26:41):
I mean, how much more punitive do I think you
want it to be? I think it's punitive enough where
he's gone for a significant amount of time and when
he comes back, they've got the get they jump right
into the meat of the schedule and they're playing Big
ten football. So I'm not really sure how much more
they felt like they could do, or how much more
this really warrants. Ultimately, I don't try to read it
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to this stuff too much unless there's something that comes
out that's that damning. It seems like it's it's somewhat fair.
I mean, you'd have to ask yourself, is the university
are they more frustrated or upset with finding this out?
Forget the NCAA for for that matter, are they more
frustrating and upset about that?
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Like do they feel like, look, yeah, That's.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
The point is it looks bad, you know, when you're
representing the University of Michigan, and and this is what
comes from this.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
And he's also kind of jerked them around the last.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Couple of years.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, I mean he's explored opportunities. I don't know that
he's jerked them around necessarily. But I think in the end,
it comes down to who should be most frustrated by
what's been become public, and it's it's probably the university.
But given the track record they've been on and given
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what maybe people feel like on the cuspper able to
able to do in winning a national championship, I just
don't think they're going to make that move.
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Speaker 7 (30:48):
Morning everybody, Good morning, Jonas, Good morning LeVar, Good morning Brady, guys.
In case you missed this, the Celtics in Start Jaylen Brownavan.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
Shut the.
Speaker 7 (31:03):
Hayley, Hey Brady A LeVar Right, guys, In case you
missed this, the Celtics and Start Jalen Brown have agreed
to a five year, three hundred four million super Max extension,
the richest contract in the NBA history.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
How bad it, huh? How about all that criticism he
got in the playoffs and turned it into a three
hundred million dollar deal.
Speaker 5 (31:25):
Good for him, Good for him, super.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Max and he getting every penny of it too, getting
every penny. And then I think Jalen Brown's up for
the Supermax next year, so they're gonna have like six
hundred million dollars tied into those two guys. Yeah, oh yeah.
Tatum's due next year, so they're gonna have like six
hundred million dollars tight into Tatum and Brown. So it's
(31:49):
all good. The in law has got to be happy, Brady.
They're keeping Jalen Brown thoughts of they were gonna trade
him everything's good in Boston.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not sure that really moved
the new for the end laws. But it's crazy to
me the money that the the NBA stars are able
to make TV NBA, you know, role players are able
to make. It makes you look back at the NFL
and clearly there's different economics to it.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
You just go, holy cow.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
For a sport that you know, you'd think, i mean dominates,
dominates the United States, you'd think that they would be
able to get their players paid more int a greater capacity.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
But it's tough, different roster sizes, everything else.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
That goes along with it. But good for him, man,
good for him. That's a hell of a deal.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Guys.
Speaker 7 (32:39):
We've talked about the series on Netflix Quarterback being picked
up for a second season. Well, there's already quarterbacks turning
down the offer to be featured on said second season.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
That being Matthew Stafford. He has reportedly turned down Netflix.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
I thought he'd turned it down for the first season.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Probably not. Well, now he's going to in a row. Okay,
so yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
I.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Saw this article.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
I thought he turned it down for the first season,
and then someone else they had asked turned it down
for season two.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
I don't know, I don't know. I might have missed nothing.
Maybe it was Kelly Stafford who turned it down. Maybe
that's where the confusion was here. I mean, which you
you know, let's let's say let's just you know, for
the sake of the story, let's say Matt Stafford. You know,
they approached him to be on the Quarterback this year.
I don't know that this would be the year that
Matt Stafford will want to be on it, just from
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the standpoint that it feels like things are a little
awkward between him and the Rams. Like there was a
story that you know, they were trying to move him
this offseason, then they got upset because they wanted to
restructure the deal and he didn't want to restructure the deal.
It just feels like the Rams are in kind of
no man's land, and maybe Matt Stafford just wouldn't want
to be a part of that if in case, he
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turned down this year and not last year. You know, hypothetical,
all hypothetic. Go would you guys want to be on
a reality show and they'll approach you?
Speaker 3 (34:04):
No?
Speaker 4 (34:08):
I would, I would entertain it, but I would have
an agenda. As long as I have an.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Agenda, that's shocking.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
Yeah, as long as I had an agenda, I would
you know, I would consider it.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
So you're trying to tell me this would not be
genuine content.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
It would all be an agenda driven.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
No, it would be. It would be genuine.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
It would just be thought out, like I would still
be directing things where I would like for them to go,
or I would need to know that it's going in
this certain direction.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
These things will be highlighted.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
You would need to be the executive producer of content
creation because a lot of people, a lot of those
people are.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
Just control, creative impact or creative some Yeah, yes, producing crests. Yeah,
I wouldn't want I don't need the producing credits.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
I mean I want them, but I would consider it.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
You're pretty good at it, though, because you you made
that video where I was showing off my two thousand
and seven Brooks. Yeah, yesterday, and studio.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
And people were pumped up about it too.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Not really the comments weren't exactly all kind, but.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Not all of them.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
But you know, I could I could certainly say, look
at the comments that I get your on your threads
so we could compare in contrast.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
I mean, you know.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
It right, But it was very well put together, like
it looked, it looked professional. I don't know that it'd
be capable of that.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
Yeah, that was good. There was an agenda there too.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Was there? Show how much better your shoe game is?
Speaker 5 (35:45):
No, I mean my shoe game is better than yours.
But no, no, that wasn't That wasn't the agenda. It
was the show your personality, you know, show how cool
you are.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
My shoe game is the worst on the show correct.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
Competition. There's no competition going on. You know, we just
you know, we're just living.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Brady shoe games better than mine. I would say, you're
probably ahead of Brady, So I'm clearly.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
You say I'm probably ahead of Braid killing Brady and
the snickers he's got.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
He's got a nice ultra boost.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
I'm not even in the game. I'm not even trying
to be in the game.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, like, lets everybody play
their lane. Man, you know, my lane is pointing at
my shoes. That's all.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
So if I could do a reality show where I
could actually point down to my shoes, you know during
the show, I would I would strongly consider doing it.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
What else?
Speaker 3 (36:42):
What else?
Speaker 7 (36:43):
Yeah, guys, we yesterday were talking about life, bet Jesus,
looking forward to the return of LBJ.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Possibly on Twitter wait possibly yeah, pleas.
Speaker 7 (36:55):
On the Twitter machine or the X machine, whatever you want.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
To call it.
Speaker 7 (36:59):
Guys, if you are betting baseball, you might know the
first pitch bet. If you hear that name, you might
know that. It's like betting on where that first pitch
might go. What it might be, a ball, might be
a strike. Well, one lucky better put one thousand dollars
down on the Saint Louis Cardinals hitting a single off
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the first pitch off Ryan Nelson and earned thirty three
thousand dollars because DH Brendan Donovan went ahead and just
did just that. So one thousand dollars, thirty three thousand.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
I just love that. The fact that they couldn't wait
around for the full completion of the game or even
the first inning. They said, I gotta get I gotta
get my my bump. Now, can I get a.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Little bit talking about your strategy?
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Yeah, I just I like it the impatience of amblers,
you know, I just like it that. But one thousand
dollars Jesus on the first pitch. I gotta understand like
letting the entire gameplay out, but a thousand dollars in
the first pitch is a bit much. It's like, you know,
I ten to twenty times more than what I would do.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
I think I'm actually confusing you with one of my buddies.
He does some sort of early like first like early
game prop bet, and then from there it's like house money.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Oh yeah, no, I've done, I've done. I do that
all the time.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
It's like a yeah, he wins a lot, you don't.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Yeah, but that's but that's not the point. The point is,
you know, you take a shot and then you just
see what happens after that. And so sometimes you'll take
that shot before you leave the house to go to
the bar, and sometimes that shot doesn't sit well, and
most of the time mine doesn't. His does. So a
congratulation to him. Wow, I don't know why you have
to rub it in my face. And I'm not as
good of a gambler as your buddy.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
Oh, I'm just glad.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
I'm just glad leaves here. And he's a much better
gambled than you.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Oh, is it?
Speaker 4 (38:48):
Oh? Did he just snort? Snort? Wow? Was over there?
Speaker 3 (38:54):
What we got going on?
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Sorry?
Speaker 4 (38:55):
Lee?
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Why is there white powder on your mic?
Speaker 4 (38:57):
Oh? My god?
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Oh no? Hey Lee.
Speaker 6 (39:02):
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