September 21, 2023 • 54 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Justin Fields backtracks his criticism of coaching. Nick Saban and Deion Sanders trade genuine compliments. Senior NFL Reporter for TheMMQB.com, Albert Breer talks Ohio State vs Notre Dame and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with Labarre and Rady Winn and Jonas Knox on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Guess what day it is? Guys, guess what day it is?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
What day is it?
Speaker 4 (00:19):
That's another one. Well, it didn't have to be any
type of bit catch to it.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
You know what I mean? Oh, man, I really thought
you were going to go in a different direction.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
There, no, no, just another day. It is Thursday. There's
football tonight.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Yeah, there is, Yeah, there's you want to start off
with some dysfunction though, I mean, let's talk about some dysfunction.
Do you want to start off with a full fledged
five alarm diaper fire mammoth? Oh it's not. I mean
it's a two about a two hour train ride from Galesburg.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
But great scenery.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
What a what a disaster the Chicago Bears have turned into.
Actually that's it's been a it's been a little while now.
But so justin fields yesterday, and there's also you know,
keep in mind in the backdrop of all this, is
there defensive coordinator Alan Williams resigned yesterday. He wasn't coaching
the team in Tampa Bay on Sunday, so he resigned
(01:17):
and there's all sorts of speculation out there that maybe
his house got raided by the FBI, maybe it didn't.
There's all sorts of rumors out there that, you know,
there's some bad stuff going on, and that's why he's
decided to resign in the middle of the season and
just walk away and cited health reasons and his families.
You hope everything's okay, but there's some stuff out there. Well.
(01:38):
Justin Fields was talking with the media yesterday and he
was explaining to them just what the issues have been
thus far, talking about, you know, thinking too much, talking
about needing to play more freely, and just sort of
what his struggles have been thus far during the course
of the season. And then this was the back and
forth with the media afterwards.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
Thinking less.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
What do you think was causing you to think so much?
Speaker 5 (02:03):
Maybe thinks much?
Speaker 6 (02:05):
You know, could be coaching, I think, But you know,
at the end of the day, it makes it. You know,
they're doing their job when they're giving me, you know,
what to look at and stuff like that. But at
the end of the day, I you know, can't be
thinking about that when the game comes. I prepare myself
throughout the week and then when the game comes, it's
you know, it's time to play free at that point,
so thinking less and you know, playing more. I don't
(02:27):
think it's too many coaching voices, but I just think
when you're fad a lot of information at a point
in time and trying to think about that info, like
when you're playing, it doesn't let you play like yourself.
You're trying to you know, process so much information to
where it's like if I just simplified in my mind,
I would have did this, Like I've saw a few
plays on Sunday to where I was playing like my
old self, Like we would have had a positive play,
(02:48):
like there would have been you know, a few more
third down conversions. So I think that's the biggest thing
for me is just you know, playing the game how
I know how to play it, how I've been playing
in my whole life.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
So that's what I got to get back to doing.
Speaker 7 (02:59):
So I mean, I mean, who was hammered away on
the computer while that was going on.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
They was getting all they were making love to that. Yeah,
like Brady Quinn on.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Them, somebody from the Deep Dish Times just reporting you're
not going to believe this crap man, he has burned
everybody out.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Oh yeah, well you want to stick to the storyline.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 7 (03:22):
That was so distracting with the sound of the keyboard.
I couldn't even focus on what he was saying.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
You think, Brady, you think you get out loud him
on the keyboard because.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
You I don't know.
Speaker 7 (03:31):
I'd love to take him on and a challenge of guam,
he's got the greater gross words a minute.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
But man, that was intense.
Speaker 7 (03:40):
Honestly, I was so distracted by that damn keyboard. I
didn't hear him word. I heard it, but I'm so
used to hearing you do it. It didn't even loud.
That was like the mic was right next to it.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
You're type, You're you're typing is courteous, but you still
can hear it though pretty good sometimes.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Yeah, that was a jackhammer. That's old school.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
That might have been a typewriter.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Man, give us your take on this, because I'm too
distracted right now.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
I think that I think Justin Fields is trying to
be as honest as possible. He was frustrated, and clearly
everybody there as frustrated. He was trying to be as
transparent as possible and answer the questions, because by all accounts,
he's a good guy and he has a great relationship
with the media. Unfortunately, when you start off the answer
(04:33):
with could be coaching, everything else after that pales into
what the the initial statement was. It's like when you
say something before the word but everything before but doesn't count.
Once you started off with coaching.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
We're really great friends, but but.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Right everything's gone, it's over. So once you once you
start off the statement.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
With disrespectful but but it's like it's like, well, you know,
what do you think the problem is?
Speaker 3 (05:04):
That could be coaching? Everything else? After that, nobody wanted
to listen to. They just pointed to that, and they
got a hold of it. And so of course Justin
Fields caught wind of the fact that they got a
hold of his comments and that it was being construed
that he was blaming coaches for his struggles, and so
he gathered all the media members in Chicago around his
(05:25):
locker and had and wanted to hold his own press
conference to try and clarify what had happened.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
I love you guys, but you know I get that
you guys' jobs are to get clicked. So it's like,
when you take my quote out of context. And when
you just say that, if you paint the picture on
the inside out, like y'all are trying to split us,
split us.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Up at the ceau. I'm not blaming anything on the coaches.
Speaker 6 (05:46):
I'm never gonna blame any on the coaches, never gonna
blame anything on my teammates.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
I will take.
Speaker 6 (05:50):
Every whatever happens in the game, I would take all
the blame.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
I don't care to drop pass or it should have
been a pass.
Speaker 6 (05:55):
I'll put it on me. I need to play better.
That's it point. If y'all that's that's what it should
in the first place. But you know, I was trying
to give you all more details because you know, I
appreciate ch'all for doing what y'all do, and I try
to give you all the information y'all want for you guys.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Job.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
So there was there was his clarity.
Speaker 7 (06:12):
It's a contradiction, Yeah it is. He's walking back what
he said. And look, we're in the media.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
I al would say our show doesn't try to distort things.
We try to have fun.
Speaker 7 (06:24):
But there's an element, and I'm going to protect justin
Fields here gets is he falls to the category and
there's a lot of ocs right now that are getting exposed.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
And here's why.
Speaker 7 (06:34):
When you watch a Kyle shanahan, when you watch a
Mike McDaniel, when you watch Andy Reid, hey, even Eric
Pienemy with Washington commanders and the job he's done so far.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
This year, you see separation.
Speaker 7 (06:46):
You see guys that you know, granted some of them
could be stars, some of them are just second third,
you know, third wide receivers. You see them getting open.
You see the separation that's by design. You don't see
that in Chicago time every once in a blue moon.
You don't see the creativity pre snap and all the
different stuff they're doing. And so that's not an indictment
(07:09):
on justin Fields. It's what he inherited as a quarterback.
But the reality is, in today's game now more than ever,
it becomes really apparent, with the access to film and
everything else that's out there, which coordinators excel and which
ones are just out there calling plays. Now there might
be some things in their minds that they're not good at,
(07:31):
they're deficient, And the Bears for sure are that the
offensive line still isn't where it needs to be. You know,
I think if you look at their wide receiver group. Yeah,
DJ Moore's a stud and dur'ing Knowll Mooney's good. He
was out of the game at one point. It was
there last week, the week before at some point. Yea,
you know Claypool didn't play well week one? How did
I grab for a touchdown this past week? But you know,
when you start breaking all that stuff down, there might
(07:52):
be some reasons why they're calling what they're calling or
why it looks the way it looks. So I'm not
completely thrown like anc under the bus, but this offense
is not one you turn on every week and go, yeah,
let's copy that play let's let's put that on our playbook.
And that's what Justin Fields is up against. And so
I'm sure there's there's times where and by the way,
we saw this the first four games last year, like
they kept trying to make Justin Fields a quarterback who
(08:15):
isn't going to utilize his legs. Let the man run,
put in some quarterback run, put in some of that
stuff that allows him to utilize that. He'll develop eventually
into what you want him to be, hopefully, and if not,
then then he won't. And you just got to keep
playing to those strengths. But I don't feel like this
offense is set up for Fields to succeed the way
(08:37):
everyone on the outside is wanting to see at this
point in his career. And so it's an uphill battle
every week for Bears fans like yourself, Jonas. I'm sorry,
but you guys all want to see him take this
huge leap, this huge step. I don't think it's happening.
They're just not there yet as an organization, as a team.
I mean, it's hard when you have the FBI rating Pallas.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Hall oh geez, not confirmed. That's, by the way, the
Bears denied that. They said there was no FBI raid
at alis On.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
How does that even come.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Somebody's asses going to jail when that music comes on?
I remember, was that dragnet? Was that the name of
that show?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Eactly? Yeah, Yeah, you're going to jail.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Dragnet name of a bar that iowa, Sam, You're going.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
To see You're going to see a cigarette lit. You're
going you're going to see an ass.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Straight and you're gonna see it detect damn right, And
you better answer that question the right way.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
And he's going to be wearing a button up shirt,
a white shirt with a black tie and short sleeves, Like,
it's not even going to be the long sleeves.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Wasn't get white. That wasn't even really in color.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Wasn't Yeah, could have.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Been you thought it was in color. I don't think
it was.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
In the sixties. Drag Joe Friday. Yeah, color to Joe Friday.
But one of the one of the stories that was
out there yesterday was that because Peanut Tillman, the former Bear,
is now an FBI agent, that he was iodified of
what was happening with Alan Williams and that's why they
raided the team facility. The Bears have denied that. Peanut
(10:06):
Tilman has denied that, But the fact that there's even
a question as to whether or not the FBI raided
your facility two weeks into the season might be an
indicator that, yeah, this ain't going too well. Can ask
a question, what a disaster?
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Has he been.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Sacked ten times so far? Is that is that accurate?
Or is it? Is it six?
Speaker 3 (10:27):
He's been sacked a lot, but some of those aren't
totally on the offensive line.
Speaker 7 (10:32):
Yeah, there's a couple he's kind of held onto the
football hasn't hasn't seen the field well, but he has.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
It entire week one and six week two. Yeah, he's
been sacked ten times so.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Far and hotly I almost cursed al rady, I almost
got dumped.
Speaker 7 (10:46):
And there is That's a lot, isn't it. That's a
whole lot. This is I mean, I mean four in
a game is a lot. Six in the games obviously.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
A lot more.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
And they're starting left tackles on ir now. And he
he also had a mess of a game, and so
there's some wondering as to whether or not he was
playing hurt, which is why he had so many holding
penalties and just you know, had a disaster himself.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
There's two well they say there's two sides, and then
the truth is the patty in the middle. I wonder
do you think the coaches are sitting somewhere like should
I air him out?
Speaker 2 (11:20):
You know, y'all see what's going on with t O.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
And Steve, and they like every once in a while
you have a situation where people are just willing to
go ahead.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
And just air one another out.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Do you feel like he feels like the coaches are
sitting somewhere like he better not keep trying me, because
if he keeps trying me like we suck anyway, I'm
probably gonna lose my job.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
I'm gonna air this dude.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Out one not with the FBI hanging over my shoulder,
not doing anything, trying to not get arrest it myself.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Anything and everything can be held against you in a
court of law. You have the right to remain sound.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Now.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
I have never been arrested ever in my life, never ever.
But I have watched a lot of shows knock on wood,
I have been in a lot.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
I couldn't get this week.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
But by the way, Lee, Lee was not raising his hand.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Where you fall in that category?
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Lee, have you been arrested?
Speaker 2 (12:16):
No, I have not.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
What I was doing was knocking on wood. Uh. Brady
had said it, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 7 (12:21):
Oh yeah, I'm surprised you didn't do your your little
dip smack thing. He's so excited he's never been arrested.
He starts clapping for himself.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
You guys, y'all are going to Coxtown this this weekend.
Damn yeah, I could be in trouble.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Damn you mean you in Colombia, South Carolina.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
That's what I said. Yankees, Yankees going down to the south.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Now, yeah, yeahst uh, I know a few people.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
There will be fine. Please, here we go.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Don't worry about it. I got you covered late. I
think it's the eight four three or the eight oh three,
the area code in South Carolina, if I'm not mistaked,
I don't know which one that's one of the two.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
You can lose all respect when you don't even say
the right one.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
What I've just say enough of a montal stick. It's
all that matters. Called the close ratio old sales trick,
but they are, They're terrible, and hey, good news is
keep this up. Caleb Williams in Chicago with that.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Bears, And that's kind of what I was alluding to,
you know, could that could could this possibly escalate into
something totally different where we're actually looking at them put
somebody else in for Justin Fields?
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Well, you know the guy we were talking about, I
think it was, is it Tyson Beagent?
Speaker 2 (13:47):
The He was the underpack a great preseason, all.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Right, So they released Nathan Peterman, who have been serving
as their backup, and I just wonder if maybe they've
got this guy and they're thinking, you know what, we
need a little bit of.
Speaker 7 (14:00):
Juice here he gets slinging. Now, I'm telling you, so
don't let him get in there. He might not give
it back.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Two weeks two weeks saying way out now.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
You guys remember that Monday Night game last year where
the where Jakwan Brisker or LeVar we were talking about
the pen steak. He had that big pick against the
Patriots and they won that game and it was Bailey,
Zappy and Mac Jones. It was kind of a mess
for the Patriots. They'd answer a bunch of questions. That's
the last game the Bears have won. It's been about
a year. So if you're Caleb Williams.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
I mean we are only two games in the season, you.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Know, I mean they're not winning this week against Kansas
City like it's.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
Like after week would like it's been a year since
they want to Yeah, we just played Week one.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
They're at Kansas City this.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Week week by the way, take the over? Uh think? So?
Oh yeah?
Speaker 7 (14:51):
I think this is a give pack right spot. I mean,
we did just see the Bears defensive cordator.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
You don't think you don't think they're a little bit
of FBI juice flowing through that defensive side of the ball, Like, come.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
On, man, it's too early for you to be doing that.
It's getting all up in that Chicago, Chicago ass. Whoa.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
I'm just saying, twelve and a half is a line that.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Clearly is good. Yeah, they keep going back.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
You get sacked.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Don't you give you some more this sack smoke crack,
don't you. I know y'all like clicks at all.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
But I'm just telling y'all these ten times getting sacked,
you know what I mean, I'm gonna take full blame,
even though I'm gonna just sit there and tell y'all
it could be coaching is the reason why I'm getting
hit the way that I'm getting.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Brady, what's what's the most you've been sacked in a
game in your career?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Probably five times or so.
Speaker 7 (15:57):
I mean, I always here's the difference between how quarterbacks
are now and now used to be. You don't you
very rarely see as a quarterback throw the football away?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
And look at a young age, I grew up with
quarterback rating up right, exactly the.
Speaker 7 (16:13):
Thing it's called pt R, protect the rating, and all
these private quarterback coaches, all these private quarterback coaches at
a young age and teach these kids that, hey, you
get sacked, that doesn't count against it going to completion,
it's gonna it's gonna count against your completion percentage.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
It's gonna count against your rating. It's all factored in't that.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
So as if these colleges looking at these kids, they're
passing rate, here's the.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Thing is, here's the thing, and this is real.
Speaker 7 (16:45):
They look at completion percentage and they don't dive into like,
oh man, he only completed sixty percent of his passes.
You know nowadays, like kids in high school should be
complete in sixty five plus seventy and it's like, well,
kids only complete in fifty five.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Oh man, he must not be accurate.
Speaker 7 (17:00):
That's what the layman thinks on the outside. Unless you
watch the tape, you don't know. And so if you
threw away three balls a game because there's some sort
of pressure, get offensive line issues. We had to burn
a screen into the ground because a bad play call,
nothing was there. You're not gonna see that unless you
watch it. So a lot of these private quarterback coaches
teach these kids like to run and take a sack
(17:20):
or whatever else. So you'll see dudes, especially in the
college level. You see sometimes the NFL level, they'll run
out of bounds for a three or four yard loss
instead of flipping that thing at the very end of
it just to be able to get back to the
line of scrimmage. So instead of second and ten, they're
a second and fourteen because they ran out of bouth.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
You're going, what the hell?
Speaker 3 (17:39):
And so the line's like, dude, yeah, thanks, we just
gave up a sack because your ass was too selfish
to just throw the football away. Amazing, It's incredible.
Speaker 7 (17:48):
I mean, so I've been sacked probably, you know, four
or five times in a game if was bad.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
But like I always.
Speaker 7 (17:55):
Knew, okay, boys don't the boys got their hands fuld today?
All right, hell the boys out. Well, let's get the
ball out quick. Let's try to run if we can.
Let's try to throw the football away if we can.
And you know, I'm sure my completion percentage, especially early
on a Notre Dame, probably took a hit because of that.
But that's the reality of the world. You should be
playing if you were playing quarterback the right way. But
(18:16):
some of these cats, man, it's unbelievable. So Sax had
become like I'll never forget like my seventh year in
the league. Karl Smith Tater, love him, dude, he's the best.
He's got all sorts of nick reasons why his nickname
is Tater, but yeah he Uh.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
We did this what we call the Tree of Life.
So we'd sit in there.
Speaker 7 (18:35):
It was like me, Russ and Tavares Jackson, God Rest
his soul, and he'd go through all these things. He'd
be like, hey, man, let's go through the tree of life,
Like what's like the most awesome things.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
You're going to experience? And we'd be like, oh, you know,
like being a father. He's like, oh yeah, yeah, being
a father.
Speaker 7 (18:49):
Being a father's all right, Like you know, throw a
touchdown pass, yeah, yeah, like you know, win a Super Bowl,
so yeah yeah, and you go down and like what
about like, you know, having a good sandwich for lunch.
So we started to work down the tree of life,
like all the greatest things in your life to like
the mundane every day things that you do. And then
like towards the bottom, like where like the roots of
the of the tree would be, we'd start writing down
(19:10):
the crappy things, you know, like you get a flat tire, uh,
you know, or or you throw an interception and all stuff.
And his point was he goes, hey, man, taking a
sack is not the worst thing in the world. He's like,
all right, He's like, it preserves your right to punt,
it preserves your right to stay out there, have it.
(19:31):
You know, the cocksidn't keep running. He's like, not the
worst thing in the world. He's like, all these people,
all these people, they'll tell.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
You, oh, no, don't dig a sack, don't dig a sack.
But he's like, but the truth is not the worst
thing in the world.
Speaker 7 (19:44):
He's like, so you get back there. He goes, go ahead,
take a sack, and I'll never forget. So we're in
Cleveland and we had a two minute drive. We're getting
beat by Denver. This is like an nine and we
got a two minute drive. Like we're going down the
field and so there's not much time left. I take
a shot to deep post Josh cribs. It gets picked off, right,
We got like the final thirty seconds of the game
(20:04):
or something like that. He stops the tape. He's like,
are we gonna win this game in this one throw?
And I'm like, no, no, We're down by double digits. No,
he goes, we'll see this guy right here, he is
run on the shallow cross. He's like, just dump it
down to him that way. He guess, that way you
don't get a pick on your you know, he's at
the end of the year. He's like, you might look
back at that and be like, I wish I didn't
have that interception on there. I was like, okay, Like
(20:26):
that's the world we be living in, right say that
little shallow cross cross.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
I want to dump it off right there.
Speaker 7 (20:32):
Cute he goes, Now he's not gonna make it into
the end zone, but he goes, you're also not gonna
get interception, so they get positive yards.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
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Speaker 2 (20:54):
My brain has gone numb, cheer certain my grains.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
It's not getting any better.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Brain is that's what my brain is doing.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
How long do you think this is going to go
for over under till the end of the weekend.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I'm hoping.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
I'm I don't know, like I get him I get
him for I'll get it for like a and I'll
get him for like a.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Year or two or three, and then I'll get them
for a month or a couple of weeks.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
And so I don't know, it's been like two weeks,
so it could stop today.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Sounds like an STD.
Speaker 7 (21:34):
I'm just saying like it, you know, the way ebbs
and flows, but like hangs with you forever.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
There you go. It's like the gift that keeps on giving,
you know, to pop up on you. Just that was
my words. That was actually that was actually Lee. Lee
gave me the.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Idea Lee would know. I guess he's.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
An expert on that. Hey, Lee, are you an expert
on this?
Speaker 8 (21:59):
No?
Speaker 2 (21:59):
I am not. Okay, thank you though, thank you though?
Huh all right, why is that thank you?
Speaker 3 (22:10):
I'd be saying that giving me credit on some stuff.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
I don't know if if you're educated on that so deeply,
it means that you you got action a lot in
your life. That's true. You're active dude, exactly. Lee's nicknames
Action Jackson. So action Lee Roy Jackson. I'm just mount
that action. Mom. We need to drag music for for Lee, right,
(22:39):
I know we do.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
By the way do we still have?
Speaker 1 (22:42):
That was?
Speaker 3 (22:43):
This is Lee de lab right outside urgent Care.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
I'm just mount that action.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Moms, all right, so very good.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
You smoke crack and I ain't talking about drugs. Damn
smoke crack.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
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Speaker 2 (23:29):
Is that a good impression?
Speaker 3 (23:30):
By the way, that is actually really good.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
I thought it was me get loose lose? Is that
really you too? Yeah? Yeah, the first of all, that
is pretty good man.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
I worked on this my free time, so damn geez.
I mean, that's that's kind of scary good.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
That's good stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Man.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
That's like that deep fake involving Brian Farren.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
That was great.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Step A couple of calls I got today, I was like, Prague,
that was true?
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Do we still have that sound of Brian Parn's all have.
Speaker 9 (24:06):
Had fun with this twenty five point obsession, and I
get it, I do, But if I'm not mistaken, we
just dropped forty one on Saturday, So maybe it's time
to grab a hold of your little step ladders and
go ahead and climb out of my ass for a while.
Speaker 7 (24:21):
The funny thing to me is like it's hilarious because
it's exactly what he would say behind closed doors. Like
I've sat in production meetings with him and in like
a rivalry game too. I'm not gonna say which one,
but he like looked at me across the table and
made a statement about the team they were playing.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
I was like, Okay, I love Brian Fernce.
Speaker 7 (24:45):
I know there's a lot of Iowa fans who get
frustrated sometimes with their offense or a scheme or whatever else.
He's a smart coach, he's a good football coach. He's
a fiery guy. Like I think there's a lot of
guys who love playing for him, And it's just that
to me, like that, I know it's fake, but that
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sure damn sounds like something he said.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
And I'm going to use that at some point can
you please uh get a hold of your step ladders
so you cannot.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Well, the best part of the whoever did this deep
fake And by the way, that is not Brian Farrens.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
We want to be clear here, right, not him, it's fake.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
It's whoever did it. The best the best detail was
grab your little step ladders. Like he even dismissed your
step ladder.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Yeah, like, get no disrespect to the little person's out there,
but he did say, like your little step ladder.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I mean, Jonas has no problem disrespecting little people.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Come on, what listen, I get teed up for jokes?
And what do you want me to do?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
All right?
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Plus give me an example like what like, uh.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Just what jokes you get teed up for?
Speaker 8 (25:55):
Just?
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Uh, you know, what's Kyler Murray doing before practice? You know,
doing sitting on a curve and his feet are dangling.
You know, there's just it's just dumb.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
I mean, when you said that for the first time,
it's the silliest thing I've ever heard. But why can't
you get a mental visual of what that looks.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Like in real life?
Speaker 3 (26:14):
It's just you know, he does uh.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
What'd you say? What did you say? Cue? He was
kicking his feet on the curtain.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
He does his cold plunges and coffee mugs, you know,
stuff like that. It's just these are It's just dumb.
You know.
Speaker 10 (26:31):
The remember that that jiff of the two little boys,
a little white boy the little black boy running that
they saw each other on the sadewalk and they started
running for That gives you a mental like it's a
strong mental visual, like they running.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
For each other.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
That was in the in Laws, right.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
You said it right, It was Lee in the in law?
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Is it a gift for Jeff? By the way, I say,
Jeff's the peanut butter?
Speaker 2 (27:03):
It is? Is that is? I mean, I don't know,
but Lee running down the side walk to meet his
brother brother is really funny as hell. It really is
very funny because you know what Lee really would do that.
He's a loving guy like that. I love you guys,
(27:27):
all right.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Well, speaking of some love, there was some love going
around in the world of college football. So Dion Sanders
was on sixty minutes, and he gave a bunch of
praise to Nick Saban. Just talked glowingly about State, about
Saban and their relationship and just the time he's gotten
to spend with him and just how much he appreciates
that time and any knowledge he can gather from Nick Saban,
(27:49):
like went really really over the top. So Nick Saban
of course returned the favor and had this to say
about Dion Sanders, a guy who many other coaches in
Division one and around college football have taken shots at.
Here was CNS.
Speaker 11 (28:03):
I have a trends mount of respect for you know,
Dion Sanders. You know, first he's a great person, and
he's done a great job in marketing the program to
create a lot of national interest. But I see their team,
you know, playing well on the field. You know, they
play with discipline, they do a good job at executing,
They've been able to score points playing desa on defense.
(28:27):
So you know, all those things to me are indicators.
Is he's a really good coach. And I've always thought
that he's always been successful, whether it was Jackson State
High School or now at Colorado, his teams have always
been well coached.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
So maybe that's og right there, man, that's double og,
triple og og og right there?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Put up?
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Nick Saban hit him with the og al pacino, al
Pacino og Godfather Godfather won two three full.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Fast tis of it eighteen voice. That's why he hit
him with why.
Speaker 7 (29:04):
What I don't understand is, like I know, when Deon
succeeded as a player, we say to ourselves, weh, you know,
not all players succeed as a head coach.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Okay, he was good in high school. He was good
in Jackson State. It's just odd that there was in
high school.
Speaker 7 (29:19):
Yeah, well, you know, I'm just saying, like Stanford hired
a coach that was good in high school, was good
in sack State last year. Now Troy Taylor's there as
their head coach. Like we other programs do this. This
isn't like unheard of, and given his track record is
notoriety who he is. I just I guess it's it's
surprising to me that people were surprised. I'm like, like,
(29:41):
anyone who's bet against him, you've probably lost, Like you've realized,
like he's that, he's that guy. So I think the
way he's doing it is obviously his way. And as
I've said this before, what gets lost in the show,
if you will, is the fact that he's it's.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
More than coaching.
Speaker 7 (29:59):
He's meant ring young men like that, Like that's what
this is he's he's mentoring young young young men.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
His sons are on the team. He views them all
as his sons. Though.
Speaker 7 (30:10):
You know, there was a great clip of him talking
to Jimmy Horn Jr. Who ultimately caught the touchdown to
tie it up in last week's game, and at one point,
you know, he was having a rough game and he
just kind of walked over and said to him, you
know how proud his dad is probably watched him. His
dad's incarcerated, and he said, and then he talked to
him about the motivation behind. You know, his dad's probably
in there clap and you know, wanted to clap for
(30:31):
you and wanted to, you know, support you.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Everyone's watching.
Speaker 7 (30:34):
And he knows how to connect on in a genuine
way with young men. And I just think that is
the name of the game right now in college football.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
When you look.
Speaker 7 (30:42):
At some of the best coaches, the best recruiters, they
have a genuine connection with people. And the reason why
I say genuine is because it's so rare in today's world,
like not not via Facebook, not Instagram, not Twitter, not TikTok,
not snapchat, is bs that's out there, like a genuine
(31:02):
look you in the eyes, speak to you and where
you are, not where you were, not where you're going
to be, like in that moment, speak to you.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
And it's so rare right now.
Speaker 7 (31:14):
We just don't have those sort of leaders and coaches
and mentors in this world that are able to do that.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Dion's won.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
I think Nick Saban probably has that sort of relationship
with his players. I know from being a Notre Dame.
Marcus Freeman's that guy. Like I mean, you could see
when he got the job how excited all the players
were because he had a genuine connection with them. He
cares about them, and that's one of the reasons why
the parents love them. Every time you go in for
a visit, the parents Raven Bob because he's got a
(31:42):
genuine connection with them. So I love what everything that
Dion's done.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
I think the.
Speaker 7 (31:48):
Next two weeks are going to be the most fascinating
to me because there's obviously the perception that they're heavy underdogs,
and by the way, they're a heavy underdog going into
TCU week one, they overcame those options. So if they
keep this coach, if they can pull out a win,
then what's the narrative. But what's more fascinating is how
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he handles things in defeat, because you know, there's a
lot of people who are awaiting with those knives behind
their back to say I told you so, I told
you so. And that's what I'm more fascinated to see
is if they do stumble the next two weeks, how
he handles that and how he continues to mentor the
young men dealing with Really, since he's been there, now
(32:31):
their first true sign of adversity, at least in regards
to the game of football.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
I've seen coaches who love on their players on that
level and care about them on that level, and I've
always admired it. It just didn't necessarily lead to them winning,
so they're actually like I think, first name that comes
to mind to me is Mike Singletary. Loves on his guys,
cares about his guys. He said that Stopwatch just can't
(33:00):
you got that, Stott. You don't talk win with you.
You know, I can't win with you, you know what
I mean? And he just couldn't win with you. I
don't know why he couldn't do it. Some people say
that and being able to coach as a former player,
especially at that level of achievement. That's sometimes the most
difficult thing for someone as talented and as gifted as
(33:24):
as a Mike Singletary or Deon Sanders is that you
expect guys to be able to see things the way
you see them. You expect them to be able to
like you stand there and you demonstrate it for them
to do it, and they can't do it the way
that you do it. And it's the weirdest thing. It's like,
it's so simple, you just do it just like this.
It's just like this, Well, they can't do it right.
And so to me, the thing that is has been
(33:48):
super impressive to me is what coach Saban said, Like
you're seeing a team that's executing being You're not just
going to go into the major college football ranks and win.
You don't go into a game. I don't know if
people understand the magnitude of what what Prime has done.
You don't go into a game against TCU, who was
just in a national title game. Granted different team than
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last year, get it, but they were nonetheless just in
the national title game a year before, And you don't
go in there and just win a home opener against them,
like you just don't.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
It doesn't happen that way.
Speaker 7 (34:27):
And by the way, they've beat the crap out of
the last two opponents they've played to your point, like
forty you go right, thirty six thirteen in Houston.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
They've that's a good football team. Still, it's a good football.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
And that opening drive, good program, that opening drive from
Colorado and that TCU game systematic, no nerves, no nothing,
just right down the field, the third down and goal
and punched it in.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
I just.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
You know, they are coached well, well prepared team and
and that is that is a testament to actually what
Dion has brought to the table in terms of his
attention to detail.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Again, I played with Dion Pous.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
My rookie year, all right, And again the one thing
that always stood out to me my rookie season was
how much I watched because I was a fan, all right.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
So I'm a big fan of the game.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
I don't know how much people are fans of the
game anymore, Like you know, they don't know people. People
know some players, but they don't really know players, like
aren't fans if you like look at it. But me,
I was a fan and I had the opportunity to
come into a locker room where I saw guys when
I was growing up. We're playing in the league, and
(35:46):
now I'm in the room with Daryl Green, I'm in
the room with Mark Carrier. I'm in the game, in
the room with Dion Sanders. I'm in the room with
who else was old that was in the room.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Bruce Smith.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Bruce Smith was in the room with me. And I'm
watching hurry Man. Bruh, I wasn't I don't Bruce Smith.
Bruce Smith. Oh they old Dan Snyder.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
Yeah, No, he's not old. He's getting old now though
I guess he's old now. Martinon, No, he wasn't there.
I wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Old Gus Farrado, Nope, nope, he went in't there. James
Thrash he was there, but he's not old. I want
to keep going.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Larry Sentners, he was there.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
That's a good one. That's a good one. You want
to keep going.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
RFK Stadium, Andy Heck, he was there, Andy Heck.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
We didn't play an RFK R caton who Brad Johnson.
Brad Johnson was the starring quarterback.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Jeff George Mike Sellers.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Mike Sellers was on the on the roster. He's Stephen Davis,
Stephen Day, Big Country was on the on the roster.
Did you see Big Daddy Wilkinson yet, Big Daddy Wilkinson.
Nobody said it, he was on the roster. Albert Haynesworth, Nope,
he wasn't there yet. Mark Carrier, Yeah, I said Mark,
But yep he was all he did.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
Yeah, former Chicago Befeld Danna Stubblefield.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
You know where he's at right now. Hit the drag net,
hit the dragon where he's at right now?
Speaker 3 (37:16):
No, you get popped.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
So we want to know, did you touch that mailbox
and commit uh mail?
Speaker 3 (37:24):
What is that called mail fraud?
Speaker 4 (37:25):
Fraud?
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Really?
Speaker 4 (37:27):
You know, that's like a federal offense, Like you go
take somebody else's Male.
Speaker 7 (37:31):
People don't be That's why I like, I don't understand
how if you take someone's mail, it's a federal offense.
But all these porch pirates out there, like still people
say Amazon packages, it's the same thing.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Yeah, it's the same things. It's all male pirates. Yeah,
that's the column.
Speaker 7 (37:46):
Yeah, nothing, it makes a whole lot of sense. There's
people who are picking off all your amazons and the
fact are called porch.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
And the fact that they know that virtually everybody's got
a doorbell cam and they're they're they're seeing on camera,
and it's just like that, nothing's gonna happen, Like nobody's
gonna do anything. We'll just swipe this Amazon package and
we're off and running.
Speaker 7 (38:04):
I always read a story yesterday for the b Q
News about a food delivery driver.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
I'm not gonna say what's service, but in the like
literally drop the food off and spit on it. He
was bizarre.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Oh I saw that.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Yeah, like what prompted that? See, that's really really discussing always,
like I think of things like that, Like that stuff
really like resonates with me. Like I had a I had.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
I had a friend that worked at McDonald's when I
was in high school. He told me, and he told
me some of the things that he did, Like not
he did, but some of the things, well, he said
people he worked with, what they did.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
And let me tell you something. I didn't eat fast
food for a really, really, really long time. Yeah, you
shouldn't not good for you.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
I mean, and this was really not good for you,
like extra not good for you.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Yeah, I can imagine.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
Yeah, it wasn't good man. Anyway, I'll leave that there,
but I'll just tell you, you know, anyway, shouts out
the Dion and his coaching staff, because it's the entire
coaching staff. They do a great show really making a
difference with this team. So if they beat Oregon, who
I mean who?
Speaker 7 (39:19):
Although you say, if they beat organ this is going
to be arguably the biggest game in Colorado history next
week versus USC, I'll call right now.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
I'll call right now.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
And I know that Shador and Caleb went head to
head in my eighth grade.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
All Star game in high school. I remember that. You
know I posted that the other day. You did. I
saw that you saw Shador one. By the way, Shador
got MVP of that game. That's correct, That is correct.
See I do my research. Thank you, you know everything. Doug.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
You should be an FBI agent, like I think you
should be like a district attorney or something like that.
Don't they get their arrest people too, Yeah, they'd like
ite to try on what they can arrest you to
possibly maybe.
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Speaker 3 (40:57):
Now we welcome in Albert Breers and your NFL reporter
at the MMQB. You can get him on Twitter or
x or whatever they're calling it at Albert Breer and
most importantly, especially for this week in Ohio state, alum. Yeah,
ladies and gentlemen, this is a man who will walk
into South Bend a three point favorite.
Speaker 7 (41:18):
Oh I get say your name three and a half
in sub books. You know, prior to the year starting Albert.
It wasn't Ohio State was favored by seven. That numbers
come down about three and a half.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Four points to book. How are you feeling about Ohio
State's chances?
Speaker 5 (41:35):
Is that the Sam Hartmin effect I'm assuming right, or maybe.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
It's the lack of Ohio State having a quarterback.
Speaker 5 (41:43):
Sam Hartman Kyle McCord effect.
Speaker 8 (41:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (41:45):
I you know, I honestly, like my one buddy texted
me last night, one of my oldest friends from college,
and he was to how you feeling.
Speaker 8 (41:56):
My first reaction was, I have no idea what to expect.
Speaker 5 (42:00):
I mean, I could I can see it's winning by twenty.
Speaker 8 (42:02):
I can see us losing by three. So I I like.
Speaker 5 (42:05):
Legitimately have no idea what to expect because and I'm
going to be completely honest, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Mean, you guys struggle with Iowa.
Speaker 8 (42:14):
Well, I don't. Is Notre Dame equipped to do that?
Speaker 11 (42:17):
Though?
Speaker 5 (42:18):
Like firefars And I'm not saying that I'm not board.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Damn, it's personal.
Speaker 9 (42:24):
No.
Speaker 7 (42:25):
Here's the thing about Here's the thing about Ohio State
fans is they haven't watched Notre Dame.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Like they make these lofty claims. They haven't watched them
at all this year.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
Albert just dropped apparently.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
I think he dropped the mic. He said Notre Dame
equipped to do it, Mike. The irony is like, like,
who is Ohio State played? But you literally struggled with
Indiana to start the season, and you know there was
another small school that was like scoring points on him
pretty good too.
Speaker 7 (42:55):
What was it Western Michigan or Somethingtown State or something. No,
Youngstown State, it was another one.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
Yeah, but that's a Jim Tressel revenge game.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
That makes sense.
Speaker 7 (43:04):
But here's the thing about how State fans is, like,
who's averaging more scoring more points right now? Notre Dame
scoring forty six per game. Ohio State's scoring forty. They
had to lay a huge number versus Western Kentucky last.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Week just to make it look through Kentucky against the
directional score.
Speaker 7 (43:19):
It was a good game in the first quarter, you know,
Youngstown State was a good game at halftime.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Yeah, I mean they.
Speaker 4 (43:25):
Went up thirty, they put thirty five.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
It's just Ohio State fans happened watched Notre Dame. So
I'm glad man. I can't wait to going there.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Albert your thoughts, I think I just got hung up on.
Speaker 5 (43:37):
I mean, I'm not even in the.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Don't you do that, Albert, Don't lie, Albert, don't you
do that?
Speaker 7 (43:44):
We did not discondun't be an high a State fan
and lack all accountability, responsibility, No different than out right,
no different than him trying to make plans in South
Bend this week for the game, like people have been
planning for this for months.
Speaker 5 (43:56):
Oh no, no, no, no, I'm all set now. Actually, Brady,
I'm good, them good, So I'm ready to go dominate
Souf and myself.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
Oh wow, Alberta speaking of accountability? Uh and Ohio State,
how about your guy? About your guys, your guy justin
Fields yesterday? Huh that went overwhelmed?
Speaker 5 (44:14):
Yeah? Well what about a what about a weird how
about a really weird day in Chicago in general?
Speaker 2 (44:20):
What's happening?
Speaker 5 (44:21):
Yeah, you know, it's I mean, it feels a lot
like a lot of things.
Speaker 8 (44:26):
Happening at once.
Speaker 5 (44:27):
And I I mean, like one coach there yesterday, I
asked him, you know, about what was going on, and
he said, well, which thing are.
Speaker 8 (44:36):
You talking about?
Speaker 5 (44:37):
And then he says, that's been crazy what's happening here today?
So you know, there's obviously the Justin Fields thing, and
I do think, you know, I think you probably got
to know Justin a little bit like when he was
in college, like he didn't intend to throw, uh throw
at the end of the bus, and you know that
all sort of blew up on Twitter while they were
(44:59):
out in practice. My understanding is after practice Field saw
it on his phone and went and ran to Luke
Getzy and they talked it out and they're fine. You know,
but I'll say this, Justin hasn't played well. Like there's
no question if you watch you know, I've talked to
other teams who said, who said to me, like the
(45:19):
tape is really really bad. This isn't me talking, this
is them talking. And you know, I think they're sort
of stuck in between. You know, when it comes to
how the quarterback's playing, they're stuck in between what they
were doing last year, which was not sustainable but was
effective in certain ways, and getting Justin out there as
a runner and where they want him to go, and
(45:42):
you know, he's not there as a passer, and so
you know, I think now it's going to be about
finding some sort of happy medium to get him playing
faster again.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
And so.
Speaker 5 (45:52):
You know, how they get there, I think is the
challenge for Luke Getzy and that Ebraflus and that staff,
And that challenge comes obviously at a time when there's
a lot of other things going on, you know, on
that staff too, with everything with Alan Williams, and you know,
I I don't want to sit here and speculate, but obviously,
you know, whatever's going on with them isn't good.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
I mean, well, when when you look at at at
what he said, we we discussed this, it was a contradiction.
It was a clear contradiction what he said and him
clearing it up. Abe, I still in my mind there's
something there, Like justin Fields there is okay, like I mean,
(46:39):
and and and with them playing so bad, and with
Justin Fields saying it's coaching but then saying, well you
guys want to clicks out of diet this and I
gave y'all which you know, I mean, that's there's something to.
Speaker 5 (46:51):
That, LaVar. I think you have to go and watch,
like honestly, like I thought the same thing when I
saw when I saw the initial tweet that kind of
caught fire, I was like, oh god, you know, like
I had the same reaction like, that's a wild response
to that question, and it didn't really sound like justin
And then I went back and I watched the press conference,
and it really wasn't.
Speaker 11 (47:12):
That at all.
Speaker 5 (47:13):
It was more he was trying to explain how when
he's going out there now, he's got a lot of things,
and he's got a lot of things going around in
his head. And what's part of what's going around in
his head is the coaching he's getting, and you know,
he wants to go out there and play fast and
play free.
Speaker 8 (47:30):
And you know, I think that there's what does.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
That mean though? Play free? What is what exactly?
Speaker 4 (47:35):
Because I mean there could be that could be interpreted
a lot of different ways.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
What what is it? What do you think he meant
by saying, I.
Speaker 5 (47:44):
Mean, look, if you want to, if you want to
go back to like the criticism of him, which I
think is fair criticism through his first two years in
the league, so he doesn't see it fast enough and
like and you can you can actually watch when you're
when you're when you're looking at him in the pocket
and like that, you know the way he stands there
and the rush closes down around him, and how sometimes
(48:06):
he drops his eyes. You can almost see the wheels
turning in his head. And that doesn't mean he's not smart,
he's not capable, he's just not seeing it fast enough.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
Right, Can I simplify this?
Speaker 7 (48:19):
His first his first instinct is to run, and they're
trying to get his first instinct.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
To change to be to look and keep his eyes
down field to throw. So that's the bag. Well, it's
it's something that's hard to break.
Speaker 7 (48:32):
Like you've played football for a long time in your life,
and when you've excelled at something and now they're asking
you to do something different that you haven't excelled at
or or isn't your first instinct, it's hard to change.
It takes thousands of reps to ingrain that muscle memory.
And so that's what I see is a player who
they're trying to make him or coaching him and being
something that he's not right now. And that's where I
(48:55):
feel like the coaching is flawed. Not only is the
play or the plays flawed. And you could say, hey,
there's some guys open that he misses. Of course that's
with every team every week, every game, but they're what
they're doing is trying to make him into a guy
that is trying to play more from the pocket than
being the dynamic athlete he is, and so they're only
hurting themselves.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
And so I understand. And Justin Field is the type
of guy he.
Speaker 7 (49:18):
Need com plan at all last year and it was
a dumpster fire and he saved him a lot of
times last year and now he's not working with that
much more outside of DJ Moore, and yet it's still
kind of a similar result. And yet they're trying to
make him into something that he's not. So I look
at it, Alburn just say he wasn't trying to. It
came out, it got manipulated that way. But the fingers
to me still point out Luke Getzi. He needs to
(49:40):
put him in a position like after the first four
games last year, incorporating.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
Him as more of the running you know, a running quarterback.
Speaker 5 (49:46):
Right right, And I think like there's been like an effort.
There's going to be an effort to define that. I
think they feel like what they did last year wasn't sustainable.
And I mean to be fair to them, like Justin
di it hurt at the end of the year, and
Justin was really banged up at the end of the year,
and I don't know that you can live that way
unless you know your quarterback is built like Cam Newton,
(50:07):
and even Cam Newton over time, you know that that
caught up with with Cam Newton, and so you know,
I think that that's sort of the question here. And
you know, here's the other part of it. They inherited him,
you know, like the you know, Luke Getsy and Matt
eber Flus and Ryan Pols. They inherited justin Field. And
you know, if you're going to do things a certain way,
you sort of have to be all in on it.
(50:28):
And that's the other question is are they all in
on playing the way that justin Field that's going to
help you get the most out of justin Field? And
that's what's so complicated about all of this, I think.
And it doesn't help when, like you said, the offensive line,
you know, which they poured resources into, has already banged up,
didn't play together a lot in the offseason.
Speaker 8 (50:48):
The guard that they.
Speaker 5 (50:48):
Signed from Tennessee, Nate Davis, isn't playing, Braxton Jones are
left tackle just went on ir Chase Claypool has been
you know, very spotty at best since they acquired.
Speaker 8 (50:59):
Him last year.
Speaker 5 (50:59):
So when you have all these other acquisitions and draft
picks and everything else that you know may work out
may not be kind of on the fence seeing whether
or not those are going to have those those are
going to help you out, that complicates things further.
Speaker 8 (51:11):
And I you know, I do think you know that.
Speaker 5 (51:16):
I mean, the hard part about it is that they're
going to have to make a decision on him after
this year too, And so I think that's part of
the equation where it's can he play the way we
want him to play? Where we're going to pick up
a twenty to thirty million dollar option for twenty twenty
five and that potentially signed to do an extension. There's
just a lot there, you know. And so along with
(51:37):
there being a lot going on in Justin field ed
right now, you know when he you know when he
takes with every snappy takes, there's also a lot going on,
and you know, with what the Bears are dealing with
and what's around Justin Field as well.
Speaker 3 (51:51):
Get him on Twitter at Albert Breer. He is a
senior NFL reporter at the MMQB. Always kind of enough
to join us every single Thursday here on the show. Albert.
We got twenty seconds. Final score prediction on Ohio State
Notre Dame.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
This is.
Speaker 8 (52:05):
Uh thirty five thirty one.
Speaker 3 (52:07):
Bucky oh Man and they cover. They cover.
Speaker 7 (52:10):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (52:11):
All right, Well, we'll see how what this performs over
the weekend and we'll talk.
Speaker 2 (52:15):
To you, Brady.
Speaker 8 (52:16):
Saving that for tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
Yeah, Brady, I'll say no, not name's gonna win out right.
You don't need the points.
Speaker 7 (52:21):
Oh wow, all right, this team looks more like Michigan Albert.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
That's should scare you considering the past two years.
Speaker 3 (52:27):
Oh geez, wow, that big bag.
Speaker 5 (52:31):
You got a big offensive line, you got great offensive tackle.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
Bay.
Speaker 5 (52:35):
Yeah, there's no fun.
Speaker 2 (52:36):
Because you see how he talks about that. Have you
not seen the passing game? Bro?
Speaker 7 (52:40):
Have you not seen Tobias Mereweather, a Chris Tyree or
holding stays at tight end?
Speaker 2 (52:45):
Like this is the uneducated Ohio State fan base right now.
They haven't watched the game. I can't wait. Brady.
Speaker 5 (52:51):
You just said to be built like Michigan, so I
was giving you credit.
Speaker 7 (52:55):
I was like, yeah, but that's the problem is you
guys are watching Michigan bang bang bang.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
Haven't seen Cornelius Johnson.
Speaker 7 (53:01):
You haven't seen all their playmakers, and what they got
to tied end to the freshman who played well last year.
Speaker 3 (53:05):
Was Bang bang.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
This is the problem with the High State fans.
Speaker 5 (53:10):
I know, I know, I know Colson Love.
Speaker 2 (53:13):
You know him because they're draft elves. Were at least
Robin Wilson is this year. That's why you know him.
Speaker 5 (53:17):
I'm aware, I'm aware he is banking on you a
d be bang Gast love them actually isn't draft eligible.
Speaker 2 (53:25):
He's got he's got another year.
Speaker 7 (53:27):
But my point, about the greater point is the fact
that you guys have only watched yourselves because you've been
so concerned with yourselves, you're not watching everyone else out there.
Speaker 8 (53:39):
If we play, if we play our best, look out.
Speaker 4 (53:42):
Your best is good enough, your best not to day.
Speaker 3 (53:46):
All right, well we are. We'll get the the final
score cards next week and our next week on this
and we'll see what happens over the course of the weekend.
Thanks Albert, we appreciate it. It is two pros and
a cup of Joe here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
Bang Bang,
It's the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with Labarre and Rady Winn and Jonas Knox on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Guess what day it is? Guys, guess what day it is?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
What day is it?
Speaker 4 (00:19):
That's another one. Well, it didn't have to be any
type of bit catch to it.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
You know what I mean? Oh, man, I really thought
you were going to go in a different direction.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
There, no, no, just another day. It is Thursday. There's
football tonight.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Yeah, there is, Yeah, there's you want to start off
with some dysfunction though, I mean, let's talk about some dysfunction.
Do you want to start off with a full fledged
five alarm diaper fire mammoth? Oh it's not. I mean
it's a two about a two hour train ride from Galesburg.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
But great scenery.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
What a what a disaster the Chicago Bears have turned into.
Actually that's it's been a it's been a little while now.
But so justin fields yesterday, and there's also you know,
keep in mind in the backdrop of all this, is
there defensive coordinator Alan Williams resigned yesterday. He wasn't coaching
the team in Tampa Bay on Sunday, so he resigned
(01:17):
and there's all sorts of speculation out there that maybe
his house got raided by the FBI, maybe it didn't.
There's all sorts of rumors out there that, you know,
there's some bad stuff going on, and that's why he's
decided to resign in the middle of the season and
just walk away and cited health reasons and his families.
You hope everything's okay, but there's some stuff out there. Well.
(01:38):
Justin Fields was talking with the media yesterday and he
was explaining to them just what the issues have been
thus far, talking about, you know, thinking too much, talking
about needing to play more freely, and just sort of
what his struggles have been thus far during the course
of the season. And then this was the back and
forth with the media afterwards.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
Thinking less.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
What do you think was causing you to think so much?
Speaker 5 (02:03):
Maybe thinks much?
Speaker 6 (02:05):
You know, could be coaching, I think, But you know,
at the end of the day, it makes it. You know,
they're doing their job when they're giving me, you know,
what to look at and stuff like that. But at
the end of the day, I you know, can't be
thinking about that when the game comes. I prepare myself
throughout the week and then when the game comes, it's
you know, it's time to play free at that point,
so thinking less and you know, playing more. I don't
(02:27):
think it's too many coaching voices, but I just think
when you're fad a lot of information at a point
in time and trying to think about that info, like
when you're playing, it doesn't let you play like yourself.
You're trying to you know, process so much information to
where it's like if I just simplified in my mind,
I would have did this, Like I've saw a few
plays on Sunday to where I was playing like my
old self, Like we would have had a positive play,
(02:48):
like there would have been you know, a few more
third down conversions. So I think that's the biggest thing
for me is just you know, playing the game how
I know how to play it, how I've been playing
in my whole life.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
So that's what I got to get back to doing.
Speaker 7 (02:59):
So I mean, I mean, who was hammered away on
the computer while that was going on.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
They was getting all they were making love to that. Yeah,
like Brady Quinn on.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Them, somebody from the Deep Dish Times just reporting you're
not going to believe this crap man, he has burned
everybody out.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Oh yeah, well you want to stick to the storyline.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 7 (03:22):
That was so distracting with the sound of the keyboard.
I couldn't even focus on what he was saying.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
You think, Brady, you think you get out loud him
on the keyboard because.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
You I don't know.
Speaker 7 (03:31):
I'd love to take him on and a challenge of guam,
he's got the greater gross words a minute.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
But man, that was intense.
Speaker 7 (03:40):
Honestly, I was so distracted by that damn keyboard. I
didn't hear him word. I heard it, but I'm so
used to hearing you do it. It didn't even loud.
That was like the mic was right next to it.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
You're type, You're you're typing is courteous, but you still
can hear it though pretty good sometimes.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Yeah, that was a jackhammer. That's old school.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
That might have been a typewriter.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Man, give us your take on this, because I'm too
distracted right now.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
I think that I think Justin Fields is trying to
be as honest as possible. He was frustrated, and clearly
everybody there as frustrated. He was trying to be as
transparent as possible and answer the questions, because by all accounts,
he's a good guy and he has a great relationship
with the media. Unfortunately, when you start off the answer
(04:33):
with could be coaching, everything else after that pales into
what the the initial statement was. It's like when you
say something before the word but everything before but doesn't count.
Once you started off with coaching.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
We're really great friends, but but.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Right everything's gone, it's over. So once you once you
start off the statement.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
With disrespectful but but it's like it's like, well, you know,
what do you think the problem is?
Speaker 3 (05:04):
That could be coaching? Everything else? After that, nobody wanted
to listen to. They just pointed to that, and they
got a hold of it. And so of course Justin
Fields caught wind of the fact that they got a
hold of his comments and that it was being construed
that he was blaming coaches for his struggles, and so
he gathered all the media members in Chicago around his
(05:25):
locker and had and wanted to hold his own press
conference to try and clarify what had happened.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
I love you guys, but you know I get that
you guys' jobs are to get clicked. So it's like,
when you take my quote out of context. And when
you just say that, if you paint the picture on
the inside out, like y'all are trying to split us,
split us.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Up at the ceau. I'm not blaming anything on the coaches.
Speaker 6 (05:46):
I'm never gonna blame any on the coaches, never gonna
blame anything on my teammates.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
I will take.
Speaker 6 (05:50):
Every whatever happens in the game, I would take all
the blame.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
I don't care to drop pass or it should have
been a pass.
Speaker 6 (05:55):
I'll put it on me. I need to play better.
That's it point. If y'all that's that's what it should
in the first place. But you know, I was trying
to give you all more details because you know, I
appreciate ch'all for doing what y'all do, and I try
to give you all the information y'all want for you guys.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Job.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
So there was there was his clarity.
Speaker 7 (06:12):
It's a contradiction, Yeah it is. He's walking back what
he said. And look, we're in the media.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
I al would say our show doesn't try to distort things.
We try to have fun.
Speaker 7 (06:24):
But there's an element, and I'm going to protect justin
Fields here gets is he falls to the category and
there's a lot of ocs right now that are getting exposed.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
And here's why.
Speaker 7 (06:34):
When you watch a Kyle shanahan, when you watch a
Mike McDaniel, when you watch Andy Reid, hey, even Eric
Pienemy with Washington commanders and the job he's done so far.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
This year, you see separation.
Speaker 7 (06:46):
You see guys that you know, granted some of them
could be stars, some of them are just second third,
you know, third wide receivers. You see them getting open.
You see the separation that's by design. You don't see
that in Chicago time every once in a blue moon.
You don't see the creativity pre snap and all the
different stuff they're doing. And so that's not an indictment
(07:09):
on justin Fields. It's what he inherited as a quarterback.
But the reality is, in today's game now more than ever,
it becomes really apparent, with the access to film and
everything else that's out there, which coordinators excel and which
ones are just out there calling plays. Now there might
be some things in their minds that they're not good at,
(07:31):
they're deficient, And the Bears for sure are that the
offensive line still isn't where it needs to be. You know,
I think if you look at their wide receiver group. Yeah,
DJ Moore's a stud and dur'ing Knowll Mooney's good. He
was out of the game at one point. It was
there last week, the week before at some point. Yea,
you know Claypool didn't play well week one? How did
I grab for a touchdown this past week? But you know,
when you start breaking all that stuff down, there might
(07:52):
be some reasons why they're calling what they're calling or
why it looks the way it looks. So I'm not
completely thrown like anc under the bus, but this offense
is not one you turn on every week and go, yeah,
let's copy that play let's let's put that on our playbook.
And that's what Justin Fields is up against. And so
I'm sure there's there's times where and by the way,
we saw this the first four games last year, like
they kept trying to make Justin Fields a quarterback who
(08:15):
isn't going to utilize his legs. Let the man run,
put in some quarterback run, put in some of that
stuff that allows him to utilize that. He'll develop eventually
into what you want him to be, hopefully, and if not,
then then he won't. And you just got to keep
playing to those strengths. But I don't feel like this
offense is set up for Fields to succeed the way
(08:37):
everyone on the outside is wanting to see at this
point in his career. And so it's an uphill battle
every week for Bears fans like yourself, Jonas. I'm sorry,
but you guys all want to see him take this
huge leap, this huge step. I don't think it's happening.
They're just not there yet as an organization, as a team.
I mean, it's hard when you have the FBI rating Pallas.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Hall oh geez, not confirmed. That's, by the way, the
Bears denied that. They said there was no FBI raid
at alis On.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
How does that even come.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Somebody's asses going to jail when that music comes on?
I remember, was that dragnet? Was that the name of
that show?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Eactly? Yeah, Yeah, you're going to jail.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Dragnet name of a bar that iowa, Sam, You're going.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
To see You're going to see a cigarette lit. You're
going you're going to see an ass.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Straight and you're gonna see it detect damn right, And
you better answer that question the right way.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
And he's going to be wearing a button up shirt,
a white shirt with a black tie and short sleeves, Like,
it's not even going to be the long sleeves.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Wasn't get white. That wasn't even really in color.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Wasn't Yeah, could have.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Been you thought it was in color. I don't think
it was.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
In the sixties. Drag Joe Friday. Yeah, color to Joe Friday.
But one of the one of the stories that was
out there yesterday was that because Peanut Tillman, the former Bear,
is now an FBI agent, that he was iodified of
what was happening with Alan Williams and that's why they
raided the team facility. The Bears have denied that. Peanut
(10:06):
Tilman has denied that, But the fact that there's even
a question as to whether or not the FBI raided
your facility two weeks into the season might be an
indicator that, yeah, this ain't going too well. Can ask
a question, what a disaster?
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Has he been.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Sacked ten times so far? Is that is that accurate?
Or is it? Is it six?
Speaker 3 (10:27):
He's been sacked a lot, but some of those aren't
totally on the offensive line.
Speaker 7 (10:32):
Yeah, there's a couple he's kind of held onto the
football hasn't hasn't seen the field well, but he has.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
It entire week one and six week two. Yeah, he's
been sacked ten times so.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Far and hotly I almost cursed al rady, I almost
got dumped.
Speaker 7 (10:46):
And there is That's a lot, isn't it. That's a
whole lot. This is I mean, I mean four in
a game is a lot. Six in the games obviously.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
A lot more.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
And they're starting left tackles on ir now. And he
he also had a mess of a game, and so
there's some wondering as to whether or not he was
playing hurt, which is why he had so many holding
penalties and just you know, had a disaster himself.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
There's two well they say there's two sides, and then
the truth is the patty in the middle. I wonder
do you think the coaches are sitting somewhere like should
I air him out?
Speaker 2 (11:20):
You know, y'all see what's going on with t O.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
And Steve, and they like every once in a while
you have a situation where people are just willing to
go ahead.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
And just air one another out.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Do you feel like he feels like the coaches are
sitting somewhere like he better not keep trying me, because
if he keeps trying me like we suck anyway, I'm
probably gonna lose my job.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
I'm gonna air this dude.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Out one not with the FBI hanging over my shoulder,
not doing anything, trying to not get arrest it myself.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Anything and everything can be held against you in a
court of law. You have the right to remain sound.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Now.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
I have never been arrested ever in my life, never ever.
But I have watched a lot of shows knock on wood,
I have been in a lot.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
I couldn't get this week.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
But by the way, Lee, Lee was not raising his hand.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Where you fall in that category?
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Lee, have you been arrested?
Speaker 2 (12:16):
No, I have not.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
What I was doing was knocking on wood. Uh. Brady
had said it, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 7 (12:21):
Oh yeah, I'm surprised you didn't do your your little
dip smack thing. He's so excited he's never been arrested.
He starts clapping for himself.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
You guys, y'all are going to Coxtown this this weekend.
Damn yeah, I could be in trouble.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Damn you mean you in Colombia, South Carolina.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
That's what I said. Yankees, Yankees going down to the south.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Now, yeah, yeahst uh, I know a few people.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
There will be fine. Please, here we go.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Don't worry about it. I got you covered late. I
think it's the eight four three or the eight oh three,
the area code in South Carolina, if I'm not mistaked,
I don't know which one that's one of the two.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
You can lose all respect when you don't even say
the right one.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
What I've just say enough of a montal stick. It's
all that matters. Called the close ratio old sales trick,
but they are, They're terrible, and hey, good news is
keep this up. Caleb Williams in Chicago with that.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Bears, And that's kind of what I was alluding to,
you know, could that could could this possibly escalate into
something totally different where we're actually looking at them put
somebody else in for Justin Fields?
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Well, you know the guy we were talking about, I
think it was, is it Tyson Beagent?
Speaker 2 (13:47):
The He was the underpack a great preseason, all.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Right, So they released Nathan Peterman, who have been serving
as their backup, and I just wonder if maybe they've
got this guy and they're thinking, you know what, we
need a little bit of.
Speaker 7 (14:00):
Juice here he gets slinging. Now, I'm telling you, so
don't let him get in there. He might not give
it back.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Two weeks two weeks saying way out now.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
You guys remember that Monday Night game last year where
the where Jakwan Brisker or LeVar we were talking about
the pen steak. He had that big pick against the
Patriots and they won that game and it was Bailey,
Zappy and Mac Jones. It was kind of a mess
for the Patriots. They'd answer a bunch of questions. That's
the last game the Bears have won. It's been about
a year. So if you're Caleb Williams.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
I mean we are only two games in the season, you.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Know, I mean they're not winning this week against Kansas
City like it's.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
Like after week would like it's been a year since
they want to Yeah, we just played Week one.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
They're at Kansas City this.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Week week by the way, take the over? Uh think? So?
Oh yeah?
Speaker 7 (14:51):
I think this is a give pack right spot. I mean,
we did just see the Bears defensive cordator.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
You don't think you don't think they're a little bit
of FBI juice flowing through that defensive side of the ball, Like, come.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
On, man, it's too early for you to be doing that.
It's getting all up in that Chicago, Chicago ass. Whoa.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
I'm just saying, twelve and a half is a line that.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Clearly is good. Yeah, they keep going back.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
You get sacked.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Don't you give you some more this sack smoke crack,
don't you. I know y'all like clicks at all.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
But I'm just telling y'all these ten times getting sacked,
you know what I mean, I'm gonna take full blame,
even though I'm gonna just sit there and tell y'all
it could be coaching is the reason why I'm getting
hit the way that I'm getting.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Brady, what's what's the most you've been sacked in a
game in your career?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Probably five times or so.
Speaker 7 (15:57):
I mean, I always here's the difference between how quarterbacks
are now and now used to be. You don't you
very rarely see as a quarterback throw the football away?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
And look at a young age, I grew up with
quarterback rating up right, exactly the.
Speaker 7 (16:13):
Thing it's called pt R, protect the rating, and all
these private quarterback coaches, all these private quarterback coaches at
a young age and teach these kids that, hey, you
get sacked, that doesn't count against it going to completion,
it's gonna it's gonna count against your completion percentage.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
It's gonna count against your rating. It's all factored in't that.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
So as if these colleges looking at these kids, they're
passing rate, here's the.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Thing is, here's the thing, and this is real.
Speaker 7 (16:45):
They look at completion percentage and they don't dive into like,
oh man, he only completed sixty percent of his passes.
You know nowadays, like kids in high school should be
complete in sixty five plus seventy and it's like, well,
kids only complete in fifty five.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Oh man, he must not be accurate.
Speaker 7 (17:00):
That's what the layman thinks on the outside. Unless you
watch the tape, you don't know. And so if you
threw away three balls a game because there's some sort
of pressure, get offensive line issues. We had to burn
a screen into the ground because a bad play call,
nothing was there. You're not gonna see that unless you
watch it. So a lot of these private quarterback coaches
teach these kids like to run and take a sack
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or whatever else. So you'll see dudes, especially in the
college level. You see sometimes the NFL level, they'll run
out of bounds for a three or four yard loss
instead of flipping that thing at the very end of
it just to be able to get back to the
line of scrimmage. So instead of second and ten, they're
a second and fourteen because they ran out of bouth.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
You're going, what the hell?
Speaker 3 (17:39):
And so the line's like, dude, yeah, thanks, we just
gave up a sack because your ass was too selfish
to just throw the football away. Amazing, It's incredible.
Speaker 7 (17:48):
I mean, so I've been sacked probably, you know, four
or five times in a game if was bad.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
But like I always.
Speaker 7 (17:55):
Knew, okay, boys don't the boys got their hands fuld today?
All right, hell the boys out. Well, let's get the
ball out quick. Let's try to run if we can.
Let's try to throw the football away if we can.
And you know, I'm sure my completion percentage, especially early
on a Notre Dame, probably took a hit because of that.
But that's the reality of the world. You should be
playing if you were playing quarterback the right way. But
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some of these cats, man, it's unbelievable. So Sax had
become like I'll never forget like my seventh year in
the league. Karl Smith Tater, love him, dude, he's the best.
He's got all sorts of nick reasons why his nickname
is Tater, but yeah he Uh.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
We did this what we call the Tree of Life.
So we'd sit in there.
Speaker 7 (18:35):
It was like me, Russ and Tavares Jackson, God Rest
his soul, and he'd go through all these things. He'd
be like, hey, man, let's go through the tree of life,
Like what's like the most awesome things.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
You're going to experience? And we'd be like, oh, you know,
like being a father. He's like, oh yeah, yeah, being
a father.
Speaker 7 (18:49):
Being a father's all right, Like you know, throw a
touchdown pass, yeah, yeah, like you know, win a Super Bowl,
so yeah yeah, and you go down and like what
about like, you know, having a good sandwich for lunch.
So we started to work down the tree of life,
like all the greatest things in your life to like
the mundane every day things that you do. And then
like towards the bottom, like where like the roots of
the of the tree would be, we'd start writing down
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the crappy things, you know, like you get a flat tire, uh,
you know, or or you throw an interception and all stuff.
And his point was he goes, hey, man, taking a
sack is not the worst thing in the world. He's like,
all right, He's like, it preserves your right to punt,
it preserves your right to stay out there, have it.
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You know, the cocksidn't keep running. He's like, not the
worst thing in the world. He's like, all these people,
all these people, they'll tell.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
You, oh, no, don't dig a sack, don't dig a sack.
But he's like, but the truth is not the worst
thing in the world.
Speaker 7 (19:44):
He's like, so you get back there. He goes, go ahead,
take a sack, and I'll never forget. So we're in
Cleveland and we had a two minute drive. We're getting
beat by Denver. This is like an nine and we
got a two minute drive. Like we're going down the
field and so there's not much time left. I take
a shot to deep post Josh cribs. It gets picked off, right,
We got like the final thirty seconds of the game
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or something like that. He stops the tape. He's like,
are we gonna win this game in this one throw?
And I'm like, no, no, We're down by double digits. No,
he goes, we'll see this guy right here, he is
run on the shallow cross. He's like, just dump it
down to him that way. He guess, that way you
don't get a pick on your you know, he's at
the end of the year. He's like, you might look
back at that and be like, I wish I didn't
have that interception on there. I was like, okay, Like
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that's the world we be living in, right say that
little shallow cross cross.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
I want to dump it off right there.
Speaker 7 (20:32):
Cute he goes, Now he's not gonna make it into
the end zone, but he goes, you're also not gonna
get interception, so they get positive yards.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
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Speaker 2 (20:54):
My brain has gone numb, cheer certain my grains.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
It's not getting any better.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Brain is that's what my brain is doing.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
How long do you think this is going to go
for over under till the end of the weekend.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I'm hoping.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
I'm I don't know, like I get him I get
him for I'll get it for like a and I'll
get him for like a.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Year or two or three, and then I'll get them
for a month or a couple of weeks.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
And so I don't know, it's been like two weeks,
so it could stop today.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Sounds like an STD.
Speaker 7 (21:34):
I'm just saying like it, you know, the way ebbs
and flows, but like hangs with you forever.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
There you go. It's like the gift that keeps on giving,
you know, to pop up on you. Just that was
my words. That was actually that was actually Lee. Lee
gave me the.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Idea Lee would know. I guess he's.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
An expert on that. Hey, Lee, are you an expert
on this?
Speaker 8 (21:59):
No?
Speaker 2 (21:59):
I am not. Okay, thank you though, thank you though?
Huh all right, why is that thank you?
Speaker 3 (22:10):
I'd be saying that giving me credit on some stuff.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
I don't know if if you're educated on that so deeply,
it means that you you got action a lot in
your life. That's true. You're active dude, exactly. Lee's nicknames
Action Jackson. So action Lee Roy Jackson. I'm just mount
that action. Mom. We need to drag music for for Lee, right,
(22:39):
I know we do.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
By the way do we still have?
Speaker 1 (22:42):
That was?
Speaker 3 (22:43):
This is Lee de lab right outside urgent Care.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
I'm just mount that action.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Moms, all right, so very good.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
You smoke crack and I ain't talking about drugs. Damn
smoke crack.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
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Speaker 2 (23:29):
Is that a good impression?
Speaker 3 (23:30):
By the way, that is actually really good.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
I thought it was me get loose lose? Is that
really you too? Yeah? Yeah, the first of all, that
is pretty good man.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
I worked on this my free time, so damn geez.
I mean, that's that's kind of scary good.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
That's good stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Man.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
That's like that deep fake involving Brian Farren.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
That was great.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Step A couple of calls I got today, I was like, Prague,
that was true?
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Do we still have that sound of Brian Parn's all have.
Speaker 9 (24:06):
Had fun with this twenty five point obsession, and I
get it, I do, But if I'm not mistaken, we
just dropped forty one on Saturday, So maybe it's time
to grab a hold of your little step ladders and
go ahead and climb out of my ass for a while.
Speaker 7 (24:21):
The funny thing to me is like it's hilarious because
it's exactly what he would say behind closed doors. Like
I've sat in production meetings with him and in like
a rivalry game too. I'm not gonna say which one,
but he like looked at me across the table and
made a statement about the team they were playing.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
I was like, Okay, I love Brian Fernce.
Speaker 7 (24:45):
I know there's a lot of Iowa fans who get
frustrated sometimes with their offense or a scheme or whatever else.
He's a smart coach, he's a good football coach. He's
a fiery guy. Like I think there's a lot of
guys who love playing for him, And it's just that
to me, like that, I know it's fake, but that
(25:06):
sure damn sounds like something he said.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
And I'm going to use that at some point can
you please uh get a hold of your step ladders
so you cannot.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Well, the best part of the whoever did this deep
fake And by the way, that is not Brian Farrens.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
We want to be clear here, right, not him, it's fake.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
It's whoever did it. The best the best detail was
grab your little step ladders. Like he even dismissed your
step ladder.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Yeah, like, get no disrespect to the little person's out there,
but he did say, like your little step ladder.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I mean, Jonas has no problem disrespecting little people.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Come on, what listen, I get teed up for jokes?
And what do you want me to do?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
All right?
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Plus give me an example like what like, uh.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Just what jokes you get teed up for?
Speaker 8 (25:55):
Just?
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Uh, you know, what's Kyler Murray doing before practice? You know,
doing sitting on a curve and his feet are dangling.
You know, there's just it's just dumb.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
I mean, when you said that for the first time,
it's the silliest thing I've ever heard. But why can't
you get a mental visual of what that looks.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Like in real life?
Speaker 3 (26:14):
It's just you know, he does uh.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
What'd you say? What did you say? Cue? He was
kicking his feet on the curtain.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
He does his cold plunges and coffee mugs, you know,
stuff like that. It's just these are It's just dumb.
You know.
Speaker 10 (26:31):
The remember that that jiff of the two little boys,
a little white boy the little black boy running that
they saw each other on the sadewalk and they started
running for That gives you a mental like it's a
strong mental visual, like they running.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
For each other.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
That was in the in Laws, right.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
You said it right, It was Lee in the in law?
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Is it a gift for Jeff? By the way, I say,
Jeff's the peanut butter?
Speaker 2 (27:03):
It is? Is that is? I mean, I don't know,
but Lee running down the side walk to meet his
brother brother is really funny as hell. It really is
very funny because you know what Lee really would do that.
He's a loving guy like that. I love you guys,
(27:27):
all right.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Well, speaking of some love, there was some love going
around in the world of college football. So Dion Sanders
was on sixty minutes, and he gave a bunch of
praise to Nick Saban. Just talked glowingly about State, about
Saban and their relationship and just the time he's gotten
to spend with him and just how much he appreciates
that time and any knowledge he can gather from Nick Saban,
(27:49):
like went really really over the top. So Nick Saban
of course returned the favor and had this to say
about Dion Sanders, a guy who many other coaches in
Division one and around college football have taken shots at.
Here was CNS.
Speaker 11 (28:03):
I have a trends mount of respect for you know,
Dion Sanders. You know, first he's a great person, and
he's done a great job in marketing the program to
create a lot of national interest. But I see their team,
you know, playing well on the field. You know, they
play with discipline, they do a good job at executing,
They've been able to score points playing desa on defense.
(28:27):
So you know, all those things to me are indicators.
Is he's a really good coach. And I've always thought
that he's always been successful, whether it was Jackson State
High School or now at Colorado, his teams have always
been well coached.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
So maybe that's og right there, man, that's double og,
triple og og og right there?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Put up?
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Nick Saban hit him with the og al pacino, al
Pacino og Godfather Godfather won two three full.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Fast tis of it eighteen voice. That's why he hit
him with why.
Speaker 7 (29:04):
What I don't understand is, like I know, when Deon
succeeded as a player, we say to ourselves, weh, you know,
not all players succeed as a head coach.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Okay, he was good in high school. He was good
in Jackson State. It's just odd that there was in
high school.
Speaker 7 (29:19):
Yeah, well, you know, I'm just saying, like Stanford hired
a coach that was good in high school, was good
in sack State last year. Now Troy Taylor's there as
their head coach. Like we other programs do this. This
isn't like unheard of, and given his track record is
notoriety who he is. I just I guess it's it's
surprising to me that people were surprised. I'm like, like,
(29:41):
anyone who's bet against him, you've probably lost, Like you've realized,
like he's that, he's that guy. So I think the
way he's doing it is obviously his way. And as
I've said this before, what gets lost in the show,
if you will, is the fact that he's it's.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
More than coaching.
Speaker 7 (29:59):
He's meant ring young men like that, Like that's what
this is he's he's mentoring young young young men.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
His sons are on the team. He views them all
as his sons. Though.
Speaker 7 (30:10):
You know, there was a great clip of him talking
to Jimmy Horn Jr. Who ultimately caught the touchdown to
tie it up in last week's game, and at one point,
you know, he was having a rough game and he
just kind of walked over and said to him, you
know how proud his dad is probably watched him. His
dad's incarcerated, and he said, and then he talked to
him about the motivation behind. You know, his dad's probably
in there clap and you know, wanted to clap for
(30:31):
you and wanted to, you know, support you.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Everyone's watching.
Speaker 7 (30:34):
And he knows how to connect on in a genuine
way with young men. And I just think that is
the name of the game right now in college football.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
When you look.
Speaker 7 (30:42):
At some of the best coaches, the best recruiters, they
have a genuine connection with people. And the reason why
I say genuine is because it's so rare in today's world,
like not not via Facebook, not Instagram, not Twitter, not TikTok,
not snapchat, is bs that's out there, like a genuine
(31:02):
look you in the eyes, speak to you and where
you are, not where you were, not where you're going
to be, like in that moment, speak to you.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
And it's so rare right now.
Speaker 7 (31:14):
We just don't have those sort of leaders and coaches
and mentors in this world that are able to do that.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Dion's won.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
I think Nick Saban probably has that sort of relationship
with his players. I know from being a Notre Dame.
Marcus Freeman's that guy. Like I mean, you could see
when he got the job how excited all the players
were because he had a genuine connection with them. He
cares about them, and that's one of the reasons why
the parents love them. Every time you go in for
a visit, the parents Raven Bob because he's got a
(31:42):
genuine connection with them. So I love what everything that
Dion's done.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
I think the.
Speaker 7 (31:48):
Next two weeks are going to be the most fascinating
to me because there's obviously the perception that they're heavy underdogs,
and by the way, they're a heavy underdog going into
TCU week one, they overcame those options. So if they
keep this coach, if they can pull out a win,
then what's the narrative. But what's more fascinating is how
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he handles things in defeat, because you know, there's a
lot of people who are awaiting with those knives behind
their back to say I told you so, I told
you so. And that's what I'm more fascinated to see
is if they do stumble the next two weeks, how
he handles that and how he continues to mentor the
young men dealing with Really, since he's been there, now
(32:31):
their first true sign of adversity, at least in regards
to the game of football.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
I've seen coaches who love on their players on that
level and care about them on that level, and I've
always admired it. It just didn't necessarily lead to them winning,
so they're actually like I think, first name that comes
to mind to me is Mike Singletary. Loves on his guys,
cares about his guys. He said that Stopwatch just can't
(33:00):
you got that, Stott. You don't talk win with you.
You know, I can't win with you, you know what
I mean? And he just couldn't win with you. I
don't know why he couldn't do it. Some people say
that and being able to coach as a former player,
especially at that level of achievement. That's sometimes the most
difficult thing for someone as talented and as gifted as
(33:24):
as a Mike Singletary or Deon Sanders is that you
expect guys to be able to see things the way
you see them. You expect them to be able to
like you stand there and you demonstrate it for them
to do it, and they can't do it the way
that you do it. And it's the weirdest thing. It's like,
it's so simple, you just do it just like this.
It's just like this, Well, they can't do it right.
And so to me, the thing that is has been
(33:48):
super impressive to me is what coach Saban said, Like
you're seeing a team that's executing being You're not just
going to go into the major college football ranks and win.
You don't go into a game. I don't know if
people understand the magnitude of what what Prime has done.
You don't go into a game against TCU, who was
just in a national title game. Granted different team than
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last year, get it, but they were nonetheless just in
the national title game a year before, And you don't
go in there and just win a home opener against them,
like you just don't.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
It doesn't happen that way.
Speaker 7 (34:27):
And by the way, they've beat the crap out of
the last two opponents they've played to your point, like
forty you go right, thirty six thirteen in Houston.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
They've that's a good football team. Still, it's a good football.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
And that opening drive, good program, that opening drive from
Colorado and that TCU game systematic, no nerves, no nothing,
just right down the field, the third down and goal
and punched it in.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
I just.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
You know, they are coached well, well prepared team and
and that is that is a testament to actually what
Dion has brought to the table in terms of his
attention to detail.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Again, I played with Dion Pous.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
My rookie year, all right, And again the one thing
that always stood out to me my rookie season was
how much I watched because I was a fan, all right.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
So I'm a big fan of the game.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
I don't know how much people are fans of the
game anymore, Like you know, they don't know people. People
know some players, but they don't really know players, like
aren't fans if you like look at it. But me,
I was a fan and I had the opportunity to
come into a locker room where I saw guys when
I was growing up. We're playing in the league, and
(35:46):
now I'm in the room with Daryl Green, I'm in
the room with Mark Carrier. I'm in the game, in
the room with Dion Sanders. I'm in the room with
who else was old that was in the room.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Bruce Smith.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Bruce Smith was in the room with me. And I'm
watching hurry Man. Bruh, I wasn't I don't Bruce Smith.
Bruce Smith. Oh they old Dan Snyder.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
Yeah, No, he's not old. He's getting old now though
I guess he's old now. Martinon, No, he wasn't there.
I wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Old Gus Farrado, Nope, nope, he went in't there. James
Thrash he was there, but he's not old. I want
to keep going.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Larry Sentners, he was there.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
That's a good one. That's a good one. You want
to keep going.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
RFK Stadium, Andy Heck, he was there, Andy Heck.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
We didn't play an RFK R caton who Brad Johnson.
Brad Johnson was the starring quarterback.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Jeff George Mike Sellers.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Mike Sellers was on the on the roster. He's Stephen Davis,
Stephen Day, Big Country was on the on the roster.
Did you see Big Daddy Wilkinson yet, Big Daddy Wilkinson.
Nobody said it, he was on the roster. Albert Haynesworth, Nope,
he wasn't there yet. Mark Carrier, Yeah, I said Mark,
But yep he was all he did.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
Yeah, former Chicago Befeld Danna Stubblefield.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
You know where he's at right now. Hit the drag net,
hit the dragon where he's at right now?
Speaker 3 (37:16):
No, you get popped.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
So we want to know, did you touch that mailbox
and commit uh mail?
Speaker 3 (37:24):
What is that called mail fraud?
Speaker 4 (37:25):
Fraud?
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Really?
Speaker 4 (37:27):
You know, that's like a federal offense, Like you go
take somebody else's Male.
Speaker 7 (37:31):
People don't be That's why I like, I don't understand
how if you take someone's mail, it's a federal offense.
But all these porch pirates out there, like still people
say Amazon packages, it's the same thing.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Yeah, it's the same things. It's all male pirates. Yeah,
that's the column.
Speaker 7 (37:46):
Yeah, nothing, it makes a whole lot of sense. There's
people who are picking off all your amazons and the
fact are called porch.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
And the fact that they know that virtually everybody's got
a doorbell cam and they're they're they're seeing on camera,
and it's just like that, nothing's gonna happen, Like nobody's
gonna do anything. We'll just swipe this Amazon package and
we're off and running.
Speaker 7 (38:04):
I always read a story yesterday for the b Q
News about a food delivery driver.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
I'm not gonna say what's service, but in the like
literally drop the food off and spit on it. He
was bizarre.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Oh I saw that.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Yeah, like what prompted that? See, that's really really discussing always,
like I think of things like that, Like that stuff
really like resonates with me. Like I had a I had.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
I had a friend that worked at McDonald's when I
was in high school. He told me, and he told
me some of the things that he did, Like not
he did, but some of the things, well, he said
people he worked with, what they did.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
And let me tell you something. I didn't eat fast
food for a really, really, really long time. Yeah, you
shouldn't not good for you.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
I mean, and this was really not good for you,
like extra not good for you.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Yeah, I can imagine.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
Yeah, it wasn't good man. Anyway, I'll leave that there,
but I'll just tell you, you know, anyway, shouts out
the Dion and his coaching staff, because it's the entire
coaching staff. They do a great show really making a
difference with this team. So if they beat Oregon, who
I mean who?
Speaker 7 (39:19):
Although you say, if they beat organ this is going
to be arguably the biggest game in Colorado history next
week versus USC, I'll call right now.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
I'll call right now.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
And I know that Shador and Caleb went head to
head in my eighth grade.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
All Star game in high school. I remember that. You
know I posted that the other day. You did. I
saw that you saw Shador one. By the way, Shador
got MVP of that game. That's correct, That is correct.
See I do my research. Thank you, you know everything. Doug.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
You should be an FBI agent, like I think you
should be like a district attorney or something like that.
Don't they get their arrest people too, Yeah, they'd like
ite to try on what they can arrest you to
possibly maybe.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
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Speaker 2 (40:16):
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Speaker 3 (40:57):
Now we welcome in Albert Breers and your NFL reporter
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most importantly, especially for this week in Ohio state, alum. Yeah,
ladies and gentlemen, this is a man who will walk
into South Bend a three point favorite.
Speaker 7 (41:18):
Oh I get say your name three and a half
in sub books. You know, prior to the year starting Albert.
It wasn't Ohio State was favored by seven. That numbers
come down about three and a half.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Four points to book. How are you feeling about Ohio
State's chances?
Speaker 5 (41:35):
Is that the Sam Hartmin effect I'm assuming right, or maybe.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
It's the lack of Ohio State having a quarterback.
Speaker 5 (41:43):
Sam Hartman Kyle McCord effect.
Speaker 8 (41:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (41:45):
I you know, I honestly, like my one buddy texted
me last night, one of my oldest friends from college,
and he was to how you feeling.
Speaker 8 (41:56):
My first reaction was, I have no idea what to expect.
Speaker 5 (42:00):
I mean, I could I can see it's winning by twenty.
Speaker 8 (42:02):
I can see us losing by three. So I I like.
Speaker 5 (42:05):
Legitimately have no idea what to expect because and I'm
going to be completely honest, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Mean, you guys struggle with Iowa.
Speaker 8 (42:14):
Well, I don't. Is Notre Dame equipped to do that?
Speaker 11 (42:17):
Though?
Speaker 5 (42:18):
Like firefars And I'm not saying that I'm not board.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Damn, it's personal.
Speaker 9 (42:24):
No.
Speaker 7 (42:25):
Here's the thing about Here's the thing about Ohio State
fans is they haven't watched Notre Dame.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Like they make these lofty claims. They haven't watched them
at all this year.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
Albert just dropped apparently.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
I think he dropped the mic. He said Notre Dame
equipped to do it, Mike. The irony is like, like,
who is Ohio State played? But you literally struggled with
Indiana to start the season, and you know there was
another small school that was like scoring points on him
pretty good too.
Speaker 7 (42:55):
What was it Western Michigan or Somethingtown State or something. No,
Youngstown State, it was another one.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
Yeah, but that's a Jim Tressel revenge game.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
That makes sense.
Speaker 7 (43:04):
But here's the thing about how State fans is, like,
who's averaging more scoring more points right now? Notre Dame
scoring forty six per game. Ohio State's scoring forty. They
had to lay a huge number versus Western Kentucky last.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Week just to make it look through Kentucky against the
directional score.
Speaker 7 (43:19):
It was a good game in the first quarter, you know,
Youngstown State was a good game at halftime.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Yeah, I mean they.
Speaker 4 (43:25):
Went up thirty, they put thirty five.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
It's just Ohio State fans happened watched Notre Dame. So
I'm glad man. I can't wait to going there.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Albert your thoughts, I think I just got hung up on.
Speaker 5 (43:37):
I mean, I'm not even in the.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Don't you do that, Albert, Don't lie, Albert, don't you
do that?
Speaker 7 (43:44):
We did not discondun't be an high a State fan
and lack all accountability, responsibility, No different than out right,
no different than him trying to make plans in South
Bend this week for the game, like people have been
planning for this for months.
Speaker 5 (43:56):
Oh no, no, no, no, I'm all set now. Actually, Brady,
I'm good, them good, So I'm ready to go dominate
Souf and myself.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
Oh wow, Alberta speaking of accountability? Uh and Ohio State,
how about your guy? About your guys, your guy justin
Fields yesterday? Huh that went overwhelmed?
Speaker 5 (44:14):
Yeah? Well what about a what about a weird how
about a really weird day in Chicago in general?
Speaker 2 (44:20):
What's happening?
Speaker 5 (44:21):
Yeah, you know, it's I mean, it feels a lot
like a lot of things.
Speaker 8 (44:26):
Happening at once.
Speaker 5 (44:27):
And I I mean, like one coach there yesterday, I
asked him, you know, about what was going on, and
he said, well, which thing are.
Speaker 8 (44:36):
You talking about?
Speaker 5 (44:37):
And then he says, that's been crazy what's happening here today?
So you know, there's obviously the Justin Fields thing, and
I do think, you know, I think you probably got
to know Justin a little bit like when he was
in college, like he didn't intend to throw, uh throw
at the end of the bus, and you know that
all sort of blew up on Twitter while they were
(44:59):
out in practice. My understanding is after practice Field saw
it on his phone and went and ran to Luke
Getzy and they talked it out and they're fine. You know,
but I'll say this, Justin hasn't played well. Like there's
no question if you watch you know, I've talked to
other teams who said, who said to me, like the
(45:19):
tape is really really bad. This isn't me talking, this
is them talking. And you know, I think they're sort
of stuck in between. You know, when it comes to
how the quarterback's playing, they're stuck in between what they
were doing last year, which was not sustainable but was
effective in certain ways, and getting Justin out there as
a runner and where they want him to go, and
(45:42):
you know, he's not there as a passer, and so
you know, I think now it's going to be about
finding some sort of happy medium to get him playing
faster again.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
And so.
Speaker 5 (45:52):
You know, how they get there, I think is the
challenge for Luke Getzy and that Ebraflus and that staff,
And that challenge comes obviously at a time when there's
a lot of other things going on, you know, on
that staff too, with everything with Alan Williams, and you know,
I I don't want to sit here and speculate, but obviously,
you know, whatever's going on with them isn't good.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
I mean, well, when when you look at at at
what he said, we we discussed this, it was a contradiction.
It was a clear contradiction what he said and him
clearing it up. Abe, I still in my mind there's
something there, Like justin Fields there is okay, like I mean,
(46:39):
and and and with them playing so bad, and with
Justin Fields saying it's coaching but then saying, well you
guys want to clicks out of diet this and I
gave y'all which you know, I mean, that's there's something to.
Speaker 5 (46:51):
That, LaVar. I think you have to go and watch,
like honestly, like I thought the same thing when I
saw when I saw the initial tweet that kind of
caught fire, I was like, oh god, you know, like
I had the same reaction like, that's a wild response
to that question, and it didn't really sound like justin
And then I went back and I watched the press conference,
and it really wasn't.
Speaker 11 (47:12):
That at all.
Speaker 5 (47:13):
It was more he was trying to explain how when
he's going out there now, he's got a lot of things,
and he's got a lot of things going around in
his head. And what's part of what's going around in
his head is the coaching he's getting, and you know,
he wants to go out there and play fast and
play free.
Speaker 8 (47:30):
And you know, I think that there's what does.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
That mean though? Play free? What is what exactly?
Speaker 4 (47:35):
Because I mean there could be that could be interpreted
a lot of different ways.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
What what is it? What do you think he meant
by saying, I.
Speaker 5 (47:44):
Mean, look, if you want to, if you want to
go back to like the criticism of him, which I
think is fair criticism through his first two years in
the league, so he doesn't see it fast enough and
like and you can you can actually watch when you're
when you're when you're looking at him in the pocket
and like that, you know the way he stands there
and the rush closes down around him, and how sometimes
(48:06):
he drops his eyes. You can almost see the wheels
turning in his head. And that doesn't mean he's not smart,
he's not capable, he's just not seeing it fast enough.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
Right, Can I simplify this?
Speaker 7 (48:19):
His first his first instinct is to run, and they're
trying to get his first instinct.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
To change to be to look and keep his eyes
down field to throw. So that's the bag. Well, it's
it's something that's hard to break.
Speaker 7 (48:32):
Like you've played football for a long time in your life,
and when you've excelled at something and now they're asking
you to do something different that you haven't excelled at
or or isn't your first instinct, it's hard to change.
It takes thousands of reps to ingrain that muscle memory.
And so that's what I see is a player who
they're trying to make him or coaching him and being
something that he's not right now. And that's where I
(48:55):
feel like the coaching is flawed. Not only is the
play or the plays flawed. And you could say, hey,
there's some guys open that he misses. Of course that's
with every team every week, every game, but they're what
they're doing is trying to make him into a guy
that is trying to play more from the pocket than
being the dynamic athlete he is, and so they're only
hurting themselves.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
And so I understand. And Justin Field is the type
of guy he.
Speaker 7 (49:18):
Need com plan at all last year and it was
a dumpster fire and he saved him a lot of
times last year and now he's not working with that
much more outside of DJ Moore, and yet it's still
kind of a similar result. And yet they're trying to
make him into something that he's not. So I look
at it, Alburn just say he wasn't trying to. It
came out, it got manipulated that way. But the fingers
to me still point out Luke Getzi. He needs to
(49:40):
put him in a position like after the first four
games last year, incorporating.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
Him as more of the running you know, a running quarterback.
Speaker 5 (49:46):
Right right, And I think like there's been like an effort.
There's going to be an effort to define that. I
think they feel like what they did last year wasn't sustainable.
And I mean to be fair to them, like Justin
di it hurt at the end of the year, and
Justin was really banged up at the end of the year,
and I don't know that you can live that way
unless you know your quarterback is built like Cam Newton,
(50:07):
and even Cam Newton over time, you know that that
caught up with with Cam Newton, and so you know,
I think that that's sort of the question here. And
you know, here's the other part of it. They inherited him,
you know, like the you know, Luke Getsy and Matt
eber Flus and Ryan Pols. They inherited justin Field. And
you know, if you're going to do things a certain way,
you sort of have to be all in on it.
(50:28):
And that's the other question is are they all in
on playing the way that justin Field that's going to
help you get the most out of justin Field? And
that's what's so complicated about all of this, I think.
And it doesn't help when, like you said, the offensive line,
you know, which they poured resources into, has already banged up,
didn't play together a lot in the offseason.
Speaker 8 (50:48):
The guard that they.
Speaker 5 (50:48):
Signed from Tennessee, Nate Davis, isn't playing, Braxton Jones are
left tackle just went on ir Chase Claypool has been
you know, very spotty at best since they acquired.
Speaker 8 (50:59):
Him last year.
Speaker 5 (50:59):
So when you have all these other acquisitions and draft
picks and everything else that you know may work out
may not be kind of on the fence seeing whether
or not those are going to have those those are
going to help you out, that complicates things further.
Speaker 8 (51:11):
And I you know, I do think you know that.
Speaker 5 (51:16):
I mean, the hard part about it is that they're
going to have to make a decision on him after
this year too, And so I think that's part of
the equation where it's can he play the way we
want him to play? Where we're going to pick up
a twenty to thirty million dollar option for twenty twenty
five and that potentially signed to do an extension. There's
just a lot there, you know. And so along with
(51:37):
there being a lot going on in Justin field ed
right now, you know when he you know when he
takes with every snappy takes, there's also a lot going on,
and you know, with what the Bears are dealing with
and what's around Justin Field as well.
Speaker 3 (51:51):
Get him on Twitter at Albert Breer. He is a
senior NFL reporter at the MMQB. Always kind of enough
to join us every single Thursday here on the show. Albert.
We got twenty seconds. Final score prediction on Ohio State
Notre Dame.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
This is.
Speaker 8 (52:05):
Uh thirty five thirty one.
Speaker 3 (52:07):
Bucky oh Man and they cover. They cover.
Speaker 7 (52:10):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (52:11):
All right, Well, we'll see how what this performs over
the weekend and we'll talk.
Speaker 2 (52:15):
To you, Brady.
Speaker 8 (52:16):
Saving that for tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
Yeah, Brady, I'll say no, not name's gonna win out right.
You don't need the points.
Speaker 7 (52:21):
Oh wow, all right, this team looks more like Michigan Albert.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
That's should scare you considering the past two years.
Speaker 3 (52:27):
Oh geez, wow, that big bag.
Speaker 5 (52:31):
You got a big offensive line, you got great offensive tackle.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
Bay.
Speaker 5 (52:35):
Yeah, there's no fun.
Speaker 2 (52:36):
Because you see how he talks about that. Have you
not seen the passing game? Bro?
Speaker 7 (52:40):
Have you not seen Tobias Mereweather, a Chris Tyree or
holding stays at tight end?
Speaker 2 (52:45):
Like this is the uneducated Ohio State fan base right now.
They haven't watched the game. I can't wait. Brady.
Speaker 5 (52:51):
You just said to be built like Michigan, so I
was giving you credit.
Speaker 7 (52:55):
I was like, yeah, but that's the problem is you
guys are watching Michigan bang bang bang.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
Haven't seen Cornelius Johnson.
Speaker 7 (53:01):
You haven't seen all their playmakers, and what they got
to tied end to the freshman who played well last year.
Speaker 3 (53:05):
Was Bang bang.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
This is the problem with the High State fans.
Speaker 5 (53:10):
I know, I know, I know Colson Love.
Speaker 2 (53:13):
You know him because they're draft elves. Were at least
Robin Wilson is this year. That's why you know him.
Speaker 5 (53:17):
I'm aware, I'm aware he is banking on you a
d be bang Gast love them actually isn't draft eligible.
Speaker 2 (53:25):
He's got he's got another year.
Speaker 7 (53:27):
But my point, about the greater point is the fact
that you guys have only watched yourselves because you've been
so concerned with yourselves, you're not watching everyone else out there.
Speaker 8 (53:39):
If we play, if we play our best, look out.
Speaker 4 (53:42):
Your best is good enough, your best not to day.
Speaker 3 (53:46):
All right, well we are. We'll get the the final
score cards next week and our next week on this
and we'll see what happens over the course of the weekend.
Thanks Albert, we appreciate it. It is two pros and
a cup of Joe here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
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