November 13, 2023 • 43 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, LaVar and Brady had boots on the ground at State College when it was announced Jim Harbaugh would not be allowed to coach, but Michigan still handed Penn State a loss before PSU fired their OC, Mike Yurcich. CJ Stroud is primed to do something we haven’t seen since Jim Brown. The Raiders hand the Jets a loss on SNF and Belichick delivered awful football to the fans in Frankfurt.
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
of Joe with Lamar Errings rating win and Jonas Knox
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
So I got to live vicariously through you guys because
I wasn't there, and majority of people listening to this
right now have to live vicariously through you guys, because
I don't know how this landed for anybody else on
the outside looking in, but Saturday and the build up
for Michigan Penn State there in State College and the
is Jim Harbaugh going to make it to the game?
(00:35):
Will they get the temporary restraining order on the suspension
for the final three games of the season. It was
Harbaugh Watch, He's ten minutes away from the stadium.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
He can be there.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
It was phenomenal television, Like I couldn't get enough of it.
And I'm just wondering, what was what was that place
like there at ground zero with all of that drama
going on even before the game kicked off.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
I mean, var how do you view it from the
Penn State perspective of it?
Speaker 5 (01:05):
It was excitement, a ton of excitement. I think the
energy that I felt on Saturday before calling the game.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Was really an environment of.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Happy Valley was going to go crazy when not if
when we beat Michigan in our stripeout game, you know,
we had the Fighter Jets fly over we I mean,
we pulled out all the stops. You know, there were
a lot of a lot of activations there.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
It was.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
It was a ton of excitement and I think there
was a no, I know, there was a ton of
optimism that you could feel like it was just very
very heavy. The amount of energy and electricity surrounding the
game was you know, it was it Actually, it was
so much. I think there was so much fun being
(02:03):
had that you could tell that the stands hadn't even
filled up by the kickoff, like they were still getting
lubed up in the tailgates to go in and watch
Penn State win that game. So, you know, it was
it was a great atmosphere, was a great energy, and
(02:24):
it was certainly if you're a Penn State or it
was a great just as great a let down, I.
Speaker 6 (02:30):
Can give you the perspective, like unbiased kind of broadcast
was we literally went into that day not knowing what
the show would really look like. I mean, so once
the once the tro the temporary strating order was filed
After Tony Pettiti, the commissioner for the Big Ten, came
(02:51):
down with the suspension. There was various sources saying that
once they filed the tro they thought that they could
get a judgment on it in time for Horba to
be there on the sideline. And what became kind of
a twist to the story that was interesting was Patkraft,
the athletic director of Penn State, said, look, man, if
(03:12):
he walks down, we're not getting in the way, Like
we're not gonna put ourselves or inject ourselves into this
controversy where we're gonna bar Jim Harball from walk on
the sidelines even if they don't get the tro through.
So we're kind of sitting there on the outside saying, well,
our entire rundown, which is like our show game plan,
(03:34):
if you will, we don't really know what we're gonna
do because because of this decision. Now, that's obviously what
we're leading the show off with. But at any point
in time, they could get a ruling on this, potentially
allowing Harbat to be there, and then that's gonna change
how you look at this thing. I mean, you're probably
trying to find cameras on Horrorball coming into the stadium.
(03:55):
You know it's gonna be like a WWE event, right,
He's walking out for behind like the villain. And so
meanwhile you're trying to do this the show where like
you're you're talking about all what's going on in college football.
There's a lot of big games that were going on,
(04:15):
and yet the centerpiece to all of it was like,
what's gonna happen with Jim Harbaugh and how is this
gonna impact or not impact the game? So it was
one of the most interesting, I guess shows that I've been.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
A part of, only because for the.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
Most part, studio shows are really scripted. You know, eighty
to ninety percent of what you put in is getting in,
you know, where when you call a game, it's like
eighty and ninety percent of your prep goes out the
window because once the game starts, it starts, and there's injuries,
and there's twists, there's turns and things that you just
have to follow the game, and so you've got to
(04:50):
be prepared in everything else you do and prepared really
to react.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
So that was an instance.
Speaker 6 (04:56):
Where like it was you're like kind of flying by
the seat of your pa ants with each segment saying like,
all right, what's with update?
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Now, what's happening? Now?
Speaker 6 (05:03):
There is lawyers involved, right, there's people trying to give
you their legal interpretations. You're trying to understand legal interpretations,
you know, Like my thing was from the people that
I talked to who are attorneys, and then my experience
being a player during the lockout. I wanted to educate
myself then on the granted kind of separate and how
(05:25):
that worked out. But with filing injunctions is these sorts
of things do not clear themselves up fast. Judges don't
want to rule on something that doesn't even if it's
some serious nature. They don't want to make a judgment
ruling on something without what they feel like is due process.
And what became the catchword or catchphrase over the course
(05:46):
of Friday Saturday was Michigan's not getting the due process
they deserve with the NCAA investigation and the Big Ten
and their punishment. And I think if you looked at
the judicial system, they didn't want to do that as well,
and so they weren't.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Gonna rule on it.
Speaker 6 (06:04):
I know everyone felt like they had the judges lined
up and they're you know, had Michigan backgrounds, and that's
what was gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
It was never gonna happen. Like that's that sort.
Speaker 6 (06:12):
Of thing takes time, whether it was the flake gate
or the lockout, like all all those sorts of decisions
take time, and so I kind of was pretty skeptical
of Horriball ever being involved in any capacity and was
kind of thinking to myself, like, at some point too,
as a head coach, you gotta sit back and go like,
am I being the distraction from my team by showing
up whether I can or cannot? Like at some point
(06:34):
the Hayes in the barn, I've got to let Sharon
Moore do his job as the interim head coach, and
my players and my staff focus the game plans in place.
It really just comes down to a few critical decisions
you're gonna make and some adjustments. And that was what
I thought was kind of most interesting. But man, I'll
tell you this much, the atmosphere and Happy Valley is unique.
(06:56):
It's not it's unlike anything else I've been a part of.
Now going there two years in a row, the stripeout
is ridiculous. The fans, the students, ridiculous, the setting ridiculous.
I mean, it is one of the coolest places. And
you see why people loving are so passionate about in
varro Y you are every time we go. I'm like,
(07:16):
that place is special. It really really is. So it
couldn't have been any bigger stakes along with the drama.
I know it's a long win a way of putting it,
but it was one of the coolest things that I've
I've really been a part of, I should say cool
but more unique things.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I've been a part of interesting signage too as well,
some of the messaging and some.
Speaker 6 (07:34):
By the way, dude, even Matt Canada can't get away
from fire There was probably four different fire Back Canada signs.
I'm like, geez, dude, I know we're in Pennsylvania, but like,
like this poor guy can't even like in a big
match up between Michigan and penn State, he can't even
get away there.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Like I'm sending you, I said, you guys a picture
of it.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
But there was a sign Matt Leonard's trying to make
a point, and there was a sign behind him that
just said Jim Harbot cheets on his wife again being there,
and just people let it fly before the game.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
And some of these signs they got to take down sometimes,
you know, depending on what they said. Trust me, there's
some really good signs that never make the light of
day on TV. So it's it's always fun to see
what these these kids come up with.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
Man, let it fly during the game. That because that
was letting it fly during the game.
Speaker 6 (08:29):
Go ahead, open up. Because I told you back when
they lost to Ohio State. I've watched this offense for
a period of years now with Mike Yersich, and people
were like, here's the realities. People were gonna get on
James Franklin for the management of that game, Like I thought,
going for too early, poor decision. It's fourteen to nine,
Like what's the point of going for two in the
(08:50):
first half like that? That made no sense to me.
And then when they do decide to go for two,
and you can have a debate about you know, hey,
you're you're down what twenty four to fifteen at that
point does it make sense to go for two at
that moment?
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Well, one, your earlier decision to go for two.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
Ended up playing impact on that decision, and then the
swinging gate that's the play you go with I just
like there were so many times when I looked at
the faulter of Penn State and not being able to
beat Ohio State and win a Big Ten championship or
beat Michigan win a Big Ten championship. It had to
do with their offense. Last time they won the Big
Ten championship, Joe Moorehead was the play caller. He's phenomenal,
(09:29):
and they won the beat Olehiuse State and won the
Big Ten one year. They lost by one the next year.
Like he's the head coach at Acron now, so you
know it'd be hard to maybe pry him away and
get him back, but it'd be worth giving him a call, man, like,
throw a bunch of money at him and see if
you could bring him back.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
The quarterback, the talent.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
That team is too good offensively and defensively not to
miss this window of opportunity. And because I really do
feel like the decision that James Franklin made was in
part probably the pressure on him, but also much.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Needed and unfortunately too late for this season. Yeah, it's
too late.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
That's that's certainly, you know, certainly the I mean the easy,
easy response to it. I just thought it was it
was kind of you know, you had a defense that
was playing their hearts out and listen the run. There
were a couple of big run plays that that they
they allowed to happen during the game, but you know.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
Largely they they really well, let's be real, that's two
years in a row. Now, Michigan's just run the ball
down their throats. I mean they took you not even
at times like they rush forward to hundred yards. That's
by far the most Penn State's given up all year.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
The push back and say at times it was it
was not consistent. They weren't consistently running it down their throats.
It was there were moments like maybe the second half
or second quarter they had some really really good runs.
There were some good runs in the third, and maybe
one or two a few in the fourth. I mean,
(10:59):
it was it wasn't like year before. It was not
like it.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Was they didn't rush for four hundred yards.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
But year before, yeah they didn't rush for four hundred yards,
but they they surely those.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
They didn't need to.
Speaker 6 (11:13):
And I think that's actually probably the more damning thing
was when you rush for two hundred and twenty seven yards,
which is still a lot and I don't care who
you are, and you've only given up I think on
average sixty per game before that.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
That's a lot.
Speaker 6 (11:24):
That's four times almost your average season. Yeah, and then
and by the way, you won thirty two straight running
plays with the exception of one DPI that you give
up for a first down. That that's it, though, Like
that's probably more damning than giving up four uner and
eighteen last year. It's that at home, you give up
to the point where it was a one dimensional team
and you.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Couldn't stop it. So that's what I'd push back.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
And say, Yeah, you might say there's a few big
runs here and there, but the reality is they never
stopped them running the football.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
But the score was reflective of the opportunities. And I
still think that the defense played at a level that
one hundred percent. If the offense had did more that
it would have been it would have been a different game.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
I mean, if you're going three.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
And outs, you know, as rapidly and as quickly as
as Penn State was going and just not really showing
any type of of hope, Like there you looked at
and it was like there wasn't like you're trying to
figure out like me and my couple of my former teammates,
you know, we were talking about it is like what
(12:31):
is the what's the game plan in this?
Speaker 4 (12:34):
In this?
Speaker 5 (12:35):
Like what are you looking at? The one play didn't
set up another play? There was no real logic in
the passing tree, like what what what routes are they running?
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Like what what are you setting up?
Speaker 6 (12:47):
I'm glad you're saying this now because I texted this
to you earlier this season with my frustration because I
feel like they're wasting the offensive talents time.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
That's how I feel watch was it was.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
I mean, the stats don't lie and and and when
you're talking about your number one receiver, and this is
just this is me being being critical and being an analyst.
This isn't me being you know, a fan and a homer.
But when you look at KeAndre Lambert Smith and he
has one catch for six yards, even even if you
(13:21):
call a bad game.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Won for four, Well he had a little bit more
than that.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
He had one catch for one catch.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Well yeah, yeah, yeah, and it was and it was
a big and it was a big catch.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Yeah, it was a big catch.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
I thought you were talking about his yardage, no, because
you know, because they didn't have to throw the ball
in the second half of Michigan. But I just I
think being critical from a critical eye when you're when
you're playing against a team like Michigan. And and by
the way the way we were playing, the way Penn
(14:01):
State was playing early on, you could clearly see that
if there was some success that they had that it
could have been a good It could have been a
good day for Penn State. But they slowly, they slowly
allowed Michigan to to gang confidence. They they made some
good plays some timely played JJ McCarthy. He probably hurt
(14:25):
us the most with his with his legs, more so
than even the running backs. And we just we didn't
win third downs well and and and it turned into a.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
What is our defense doing?
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Because we were, you know, there was not a lot
of hope in what the offense was going to bring.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
To the table.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
So I don't know, man, he just felt really one
sided and lopsided.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
I mean, I mean Korn did go for one hundred
and forty five and tunnies, so I don't I mean,
JJ had a couple runs that that helped convert. But
I would say this, I thought Penn State was gonna
was gonna win that game. After Abdul Carter came up
and popped Blake Korn. Man, and I'll say this much,
(15:07):
that was one where when you watch that hit, and
I was right there on the sideline, I was probably
ten yards back from where the hit took place.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
I thought blake Korn was knocked out.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
It looked like when he got popped, that ball came
out and he went kind of limp, and I was
watching to see how it was going to be handled.
And that's where like the dad in me comes out
as far as like player of safety, where I'm like, man,
you saw how busted up his face was after the
game that came on that hit, I'm pretty sure. And
I don't know if he got checked for a concussion
(15:38):
or not, but he definitely should have in that case
because it looked like it looked like he was kind
of dazed and confused out there for a minute before
obviously he was able to turn things back on. So
that was that point where I thought, man, Penn State's
got all the momentum.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
The crowd is nuts, and it's loud and everything else,
and it was.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
Just a slow mead and you gotta give you gotta
give Shan more credit because if you're an interim head coach,
a play caller on line, like you could have easily said, hey,
JJ McCarthy has been opening things up this year, we
could try to take some shots that he was just like, no, like.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
What would what would Jim Harball do?
Speaker 6 (16:16):
Jim Harball would do exactly what he did and keep
playing it kind of tight, running the football, limiting possessions,
like just playing that same type of battling game. And
that was That was the thing that you know, shining
moment for me is seeing Scharan wore a guy who
got his opportunity. He did a great job in that instance.
You could see the motions too, and he understood how
(16:38):
big that win was.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
I also thought it was crazy, though.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
I thought it was nice that they booke ended the
broadcast with curse bombs on the air from Charles Woodson
and then Sharan Moore after the game.
Speaker 6 (16:53):
It was definitely the most The most awkward thing that
happened was the flyover. Happened like they did must have
done a test run or something early. No, no, no, no,
So they did one when our show was on, probably
about two hours before the game Kit and Woodson at
one point just paused, was like looking up, looking around,
like I don't know if he thought there was an
(17:14):
issue where something was going on, but it was like, yeah,
like we can hear it where we're at, but that
doesn't necessarily always make it onto air, and so he
just kind of pause, was looking around it. Then it
became so awkward. You had to acknowledge what was happening.
At least for the viewers at home.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
You realized they were late.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
They were late, yeah, for the for the national anthem. Yeah, yeah,
I'm talking about before that, like.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
Two three Yeah, I saw him go by early, but
they were they were like two three men literally like
two or three minutes late flying Pie. After the national
anthem had finished up. I was like, oh god, I
hope this isn't you know, indicating to happen. Yeah, man,
it was, well it was.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
It was listen entertaining his to watch. Sorry bar, but
at least you got some hoping on. I'm just saying
that all jo It is two pros and a cup
of Joe. Here on Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn,
Jonas Knox with you. So coming up next year from
the tyraq dot Com Studios. We could be on the
verge of seeing something in the NFL that we haven't
(18:19):
seen in like seventy years.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Seriously, we'll get into that.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
For you right here. Seventy years. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
On Fox Sports Radio, be sure to catch live editions
of Two Pros and a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn,
LeVar Errington, and Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern
three am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 7 (18:45):
Listen to Comeback Stories. I'm Darren Waller. You may know
me best as a tied end for the New York Giants.
You may also know me for my story of overcoming
addiction alcoholism. You may have heard a few of my
tracks as an artist or a producer, and you may
have seen the work that I've done through my foundation.
And you may know my friend and co host Donnie
(19:07):
Starkins as well. And he's a mindfulness teacher, a yoga instructor,
a life coach, a man fully invested in seeing people
reach their fullest potential. And We've come to form this
platform of comeback Stories to really highlight not only our
own adversity, but adversity in the lives of well known
(19:27):
guests with amazing stories. Catch us every week on Comeback
Stories on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you
get your podcasts.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
We made mention of this quickly earlier, but there is
the potential of this actually happening. We've not seen it
since the nineteen fifties, but a rookie winning MVP in
the NFL, and CJ. Stroud is, at least in the conversation,
another fantastic performance Jesse. Yeah, it was a bad pick late,
but engineered the game winning drive for the Houston Texans
(20:06):
to go down and win that game in Cincinnati. He
did it last week as we mentioned and talked about
against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and he has been lights out.
We've talked about the Rookie of the Year odds. I
mean it's over.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
CJ. Stroud's is going to win that going away.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
But what he has done for the Houston Texans and
for that organization, they are light years ahead of what
anybody thought they were going to be projection wise before
the season started.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
He's second in the league in passing yards. He's thrown
for over eight hundred yards the past two weeks, led
him to two epic comebacks. He's thrown fifteen touchdowns to
just two interceptions, and this like so of it's a
rookie of the year's over maybe MVP if he stays
on this path. Right now, they were playing without Nico Collins,
(20:54):
who's been good for them. But I mean, look the
conversation then, and it started a few weeks back when
they scored off Houston versus Carolina, and then now it's
kind of continued the past couple of weeks. Like the
thing that I think as showcase itself is when you
looked at c. J. Stroud coming out of Ohio State,
he was lethfully accurate and in particular lethally accurate down
(21:16):
the field, and that wins in the NFL. Like his
play from the pocket, the way he can move within
the pocket and make throws, and how accurate he is
and his decision making was all in display. It's why
he was taking number two overall and was in the
conversation for number one overall.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
I'm sure with the brass there in Carolina.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
The interesting thing is the team that's around him like
this sneaky is like a good roster tank. Gell has
been phenomenal Dimiko Ryans as their head coach. It should
be up for Coach of the Year right now. I mean,
if the playoffs started today, they'd be a playoff team.
They'd be the seventh seed right now in the playoffs
of the playoffs started today. So it's kind of crazy
(21:55):
to think about a where this AFC South is because
they might be the best team in the South.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
I was about to say, I was waiting to see
if you were going to say that they could possibly
win it. They could win their division and and that
would be to me, I think that would you would
have to have grounds to give award to c. J.
Stroud possibly with you know, with the player the MVP award.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Well and that.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Yeah, and think about absolutely absolutely. I mean you go
from how many wins did they have a year ago?
Speaker 4 (22:29):
It wasn't many.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Three yeah, three.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Yeah, three wins?
Speaker 6 (22:33):
Come on, man, you go there, they've almost doubled that already.
They're five and four right now, and they've been bad
for a whole And here's the other thing is they
haven't really been able to run the football. Like if
you actually look at see what's more impressive is he's
been carrying them in that sense, like he's had to
do what he's done in order to give them a
shot in games this year, and so that's what kind
(22:55):
of stands out is even more remarkable about it. Now
we're gonna get comparison and everyone's gonna say, hey, he
should have went number one, and look, maybe you should have.
Maybe when it's all said and done, if this continues, yeah,
like in a rookie year, if you're on MVP, in
the MVP conversation, then then yeah, I think you're proving
a lot of people that were wrong. Even though I
still would say if you look at Carolina situations, it's
(23:15):
not an apples to apples comparison. I think it's a
much more difficult conversation with with what the Panthers are
dealing with than what the texts are dealing with. But
that doesn't take away, by the way, from what CD
Stroud's done, Like you can still have that conversation.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
I mean, we were doing the same thing back in
twenty sixteen with the Wentz and the golf stuff, Like
early on it looked like Carson Wentz was the better pick,
and then you.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Know, Pennsylvania games in the season.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
So like people trying to almost air out Bryce Young
and saying, oh my god, what a terrible Like some
places take a little bit more time. Carolina stinks all right,
and they've got a lot of a lot that they've
got to work through.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
CJ.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Stroud has been awesome, Like it's it has been really
fun to watch and ease lead the best quarterback in
that division. I mean, he's out played Trevor Lawrence from
the jump, and so just to see that play out
and see where they're at. It could come down to
a two horse race for Coach of the Year. And
so I mean, listen, Brady, you can't you can't ride
(24:17):
the fence on this. You gotta pick is it?
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Is it? Koc?
Speaker 4 (24:20):
All right?
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Careful of bar or are we going with Tamiko Ryans
to win Coach of the year? What are we looking
at here?
Speaker 4 (24:26):
What do you mean you can't ride the fence? That
season's like halfway over.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
You gotta start calling shots. Yeah, going Kevin O'Connell.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
I'm going Kevin O'Connell. You make fun of my voice
all you want, I'm going Kevin.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
O'con It's just like, what like, yeah, you can't, like
you don't have to make that decision.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Now, Oh I'm making it. Kevin O'Connell, Okay, you got that.
League gets so sensitive.
Speaker 6 (24:46):
Yeah, make fun of my It's the way you're saying it,
like you're going, well, yeah, yeah, you can't like, well,
no you can.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
I just there's no points like you could.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
By the way, I almost feel like they should pick
one from each conference because you end up a lot
of times missing out on guys are very deserving of
the award, but don't like they're in the conversation. So
there's the appreciation, But there really should be like a
Coach of the Year in each conference. I think that
would be fair only because I get it there's only
one MVP and all that, but there's still oftentimes you've
get two coaches done a really, really good job.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
They should be rewarded for it.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Do you think part of the reason why rookies don't
win MVP is kind of like the the Heisman Trophy,
trying to win it two years in a row. It's
almost like it's a knock against you the following year
because like the guys that.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Are favored to win it over CJ.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Stroud, I could argue him against a lot of these
guys like Joe Burrow has got better odds to win MVP,
Like I think CJ. Stroud's had a better year than
Joe Burrow, Like you can go through like Josh Allen,
I think he's had a better year than Josh Allen.
Like golfs on the list to a Taco Bay loa,
Like there's a lot of players on that Listen. I
(25:52):
just wonder if part of the knock on it is
rookies don't normally do it. As we mentioned, we haven't
seen it since the fifties, and maybe that's what's hold
holding this back from being a possibility.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Generally, I would say, on what you're saying, there's some
validity to it because you have to almost earn earn
the right to be considered the best. Right, So it's
kind of like, unless you are just outright, unquestionably just
better than everybody in the entire league during the course
(26:26):
of that campaign, it's more of a set up year.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Your rookie year is a set up year.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Like you can become a pro bowler, you can even
become an All Pro, but it's almost difficult to even
be a first team All Pro as a rookie, especially
at the quarterbacks position, and because it's less, right, you
only have one quarterback, So it's kind of like linemen,
you have more, you have more opportunities, right, you have
(26:54):
different positions, you have more opportunities to get to get
recognized at the quarterbacks position. You don't. And it's almost
like your rookie year is your setup year, or whatever
it is. It may be it's your setup year to say, Okay, yep,
this guy is the best, Like going into his sophomore season,
you'll he'll have more of an opportunity to actually unseat
(27:15):
some of the guys that maybe not have been more
deserving of the award, but their body of work has
created a credibility where they'll always get the benefit of
the doubt.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Can I take something unbelievable?
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (27:31):
Yeah, So how how many games as Kirk Cousins miss?
Speaker 4 (27:34):
Now is two? Two weeks now? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (27:39):
Okay, He's still top ten in passing yards. He has
eighteen touchdown passes, which would be tied for second in
the NFL, to only five interceptions. He was completing sixty
nine percent of his passes. Like when I was thinking
of it, excuse me, I was thinking of a case
of like like now, that I look at the numbers,
(28:00):
I would say statistically, speaking of active quarterbacks right now,
CEJ Strout would be my vote for MVP. Like when
you compare his numbers to everyone else that's a starting
quarterback right now, He's got better numbers with the exception,
i'd say of Cousins, which is shocking because he's missed
two games and yet he's thrown for more touchdown passes
(28:22):
complete or higher percentage of passes three for more yards
per game in that span. He's missed the last two weeks,
So that's that's the crazy thing. But if you had
a vote right now of active quarterbacks, like Stroud should
be the.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
MVP, just everybody.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Like on DraftKings right now, I'm looking through the list,
like Lamar Jackson and Jalen Hurts and Patrick Mahomes are
the co favorites or the are the three favorites at
the top, and then you've got Tua, Joe Burrow, McCaffrey,
Brock Purty, Josh Allen, Jared Gobb. You can argue him
against every single one of those.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
Guys, like, look, I get it, two has got more
touchdown passes. He also has more interceptions for that matter,
and thrown for as many yards. But the reality is,
like he is right up there in that conversation, and
I think we'd all agree too. I'm not saying that.
I mean because we saw last year and two got hurt.
It's a completely different team without him at quarterback there
in Miami.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
But you can make the.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
Same case of Stroud's not there. It's a completely different
team too in Houston. Like I don't I don't know
that they're they don't have a running record, and I
don't know how competitive they are. So if you're saying
most valuable player, I think he could make a really,
really strong case right now. And I think that's the
one thing where if you were trying to make a
case for Kirk Cousins, like, well, they've won the last
two games, even despite the fact that he's missed out
(29:35):
on that, so he maybe say like, yeah, he's statistical,
he did great, but maybe not quite as valued.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
So we've been talking all things NFL, college football and
listen the game that ended up Sundays Action, you know
was what it was. It was the Raiders and the Jets,
and somehow, some way, the Las Vegas Raiders are five hundred.
I don't get it. It doesn't make any sense to me,
But Antonio Pierce is now two to zero as head
(30:14):
coach of the Raiders. Is that the big takeaway from
the game on Sunday Night Football? Or is it the
fact that the New York Jets continue to have ourselves
at a little bit of a problem when it comes
to quarterback.
Speaker 6 (30:27):
Look, I know we want to put it all on
Zach Wilson. It's never all on the quarterback. I think
you know, you know what you have and kind of
what he is. And I've said this before when he
took over, he's played better football this year. I know
that's going to stand in the way of how the
results have been when he's been starting, but he has
played better for him that he's played in the past.
(30:49):
I just think they have to win in a very
specific and style of way, and when they can't play
those sorts of games, it becomes a problem. I mean,
I'll say this much. I mean the throw he made
at the end just to be able to get the
ball out of his hand to have a shot at
hail Mary like you see is like talent and ability.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
With Crosby like gunning down on him.
Speaker 6 (31:10):
Wearing down on him and has like a side arm
like fifty yards sling of a throw or whatever. I mean,
like that's a special that's special talent. There's just I
think a disconnect. And I'll say this like quarterbacking is
such a an experimental position where like some guys just
have a shorter learning curve than others. You know, some
can get in the NFL and kind of adapt to
(31:31):
the game rather quickly, like CJ. Shroud's done so far
as a rookie this year, and others it takes time.
It takes them in a lot of reps and the
jump that from where they were to where they're going
and what they're asked to do, and the changes around them,
like all those things impede on some of that growth.
So it's look, he's better than where it was a
year ago. But the frustrating part I think for this
(31:52):
team is, you know, they've they're not gonna be able
to win shootouts. They're not gonna be a win throwing
the football around. They're gonna have to play great defense,
run the football, not turn the football over, and win
tight games.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
And that's just it's tough to do consistently in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Yeah, it just it feels like it's got to be
so frustrating. Man Like if you're just thinking, God, the
defense is there. It seems like they've got it all together.
It seems like that, you know, they land Rogers and
yet here we are and just to deal with the
injuries and to see it play out it like they
just can't get in the end zone, Like they can't
(32:28):
score and and Sala's.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Over there, Like, man, I don't know what else to do.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
And people can throw out, well, you're gonna bench Zach Wilson,
you're gonna Is that really gonna help it?
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Like?
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Is that gonna help the situation? It just it feels
like they just well, it feels like their season and
as much as we want to talk about hope and
optimistic that Aaron Rodgers could come back, four plays in
to their season, it was over.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
That was it.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
And now they're just kind of trying to figure out
whatever they can to try and stay afloat with some
sort of possibility, which just seems to be dwindling as
the season goes on.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
But how about them Raiders.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Yeah, Antonio Pierces coach and with the gauntlet they had
to just go through playing the Giants and Jets.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Man oh man, he should be on the Coach.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Of the Year.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
Well, I'll tell you what. They are going to get
a real one the next two weeks.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Huh.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
The Raiders is going to go up against the Dolphins
and the Chiefs over the next two weeks.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
That's that that'll be. I'll say this, if he gets.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
One win out of those two games, don't you, I
feel like you unless he has some type of crazy
slide where he can't win another game, I think he
I mean, you solidify your your opportunity to be the
coach next year if you beat the you know, the
Chiefs or the Dolphins, right, yeah, yeah, I mean I
(33:56):
would think so, yeah, still.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
A little bit waste to go, but I would think that.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
I do wonder if Mark Davis, you know, we talked
about this at the time. Rich Pisaccia was a guy
that everybody loved there. When they decided to move on
from him and go to the Josh McDaniels route that
did not sit well with a lot of people there.
And I wonder if he looks back on that and says,
if we got a guy in the house that everybody
likes and they're playing hard for, like why go out
(34:23):
and make the splash higher of the big name that's
out there. We've got somebody that we can roll with,
and it's somebody who loves the organization like he does.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
You know the last Raiders head coach to start off
to and oh Archie Sacha.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Oh, was Rich Piacci really Rich Pissacia?
Speaker 4 (34:38):
Right Bassacia.
Speaker 6 (34:42):
Well, the other thing that was interesting about last night's
game is like, I mean the Jets outgained them. They
were better on third down. I mean the Raiders had
two turnovers, they won the turnover differential, Jets only.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Had the Wilson pick.
Speaker 6 (34:56):
Like if you if you kind of broke down just
based on that, you'd say, yeah, yeah, the Jets like
probably could have should have.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
Won that game. In some ways, they couldn't really execute
in the red zone.
Speaker 6 (35:05):
It just feels like when they when they need a play,
obviously Garrel Wilson's the guy they go to or finding
ways to getting the ball to Preesse Hall. But I
don't know, man, It's just it's tough to They have
to play such a tight and almost near perfect game
I think, each week in their style in order to
be to pull out these wins.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Why why were they throwing the ball on that third
down when they were trying to there was a minute
and change left and New York had all three timeouts left,
and they ran Josh Jacobs and then ran them again.
Jets are having to burn their timeouts because Zach Wilson
got picked, and then on third down, you would just
assume they're going to run the ball again and force
them to use that final time out, and they threw it.
Speaker 6 (35:44):
Why I don't know, but you know if you're The
funny thing is, as we read through the rundown, like
the most the most I thought, the poor decisions, the
most critical you'd be have a coach based on decision
making yesterday was probably Bill Belichick And we don't even
have that on the rundow like crazy, which is crazy
(36:05):
because they're now at a two and eight team. Yeah,
and they played the early game in Germany, so it
kind of gets kind of swept on the rug But
like people have been critical of Bill Belichick and his
power as both a general manager slash head coach. This
was one of the first instances where I'm like, wow,
I mean for your coaching staff. Last year you hire
(36:26):
Patricia's euroc that's a disaster and a dumpster fire between
Patricia and Joe Judge. And now again not saying they're good,
they're bad coaches, but just maybe you know, keep them
on defense, keep them the special team, keeping another different spot.
You bring in Bill O'Brien, you try to make up
for that issue this year than in this specific game.
(36:46):
You're down seven to three, you've got fourth and goal,
your offense has not moved the football, and you elect
in the fourth quarter with twelve.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
Minutes left kick your field goal.
Speaker 6 (36:57):
A little bit surprising in part because your defense had
basically stopped Indianapolis with exception basically one drive earlier than
Jonathan Taylor touchdown. So if you don't get it and
they're backed up, so bet you're gonna you're gonna win
the field position game.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
If you do get it, great, you go up. You're
winning the game now.
Speaker 6 (37:16):
And instead they elect to kick a field goal and
you're still down, still need another score, so they kickoff,
Colts will turning out to the fifty yard line. A
couple first downs later, they get a field goal. Now
they're back to right where they started.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
It's ten to six. Now you need a touchdown. So
I just I looked at that decision.
Speaker 6 (37:31):
I was thinking, Okay, that was odd, and especially in
that moment in a world of analytics where it just
didn't make any sense, and your offense is struggled to
get down there and score. Why and then the final
two minutes you just throw in Bailey Zappi. And I
know people will say, well, Marc Joels, it wasn't that bad.
He was fifteen o twenty threw a bad pick, all right,
(37:53):
Like outside of that, like that wasn't that bad. Especially
could see what their offenses looked like this year, and
it's not like they've you've got a bunch of playmakers
running around. I mean, Douglas the rookie, has been the
most explosive. They're trying to get it more involved. But
I mean, I just it was so confusing, befuddling to
see him just throw Bailey Zappi in there. And they
(38:14):
showed a shot of them on the sidelines and Matt
kind of goes over to say like, hey, man, go
get it done, Go get a win, and you can
see Zapp's like, what the hell is this like coming
in cole in Germany. And here's the thing I can
tell you about, like being a starter slash backup. When
you're a starter, if you're giving up reps to the backup,
they're probably like first second down reps during the week
(38:35):
if you give up any Okay, mostly that backup's taking
scout team reps and they're telling them who to throw
to on the scout team cards because they want the
defense to get picks and feel good. Right, So if
you're the backup, you're surely not getting situational reps. So
you're not getting the two minute drive, you're not getting
third down, you're not getting red zone reps, like those
are saved for your quarterback because sometimes you've got so
(38:57):
many plays in your game plan you don't even have
time to rep them all, like you might be just
doing some through walkthrough, so you're walking through it but
never getting a live feel for some of it. And
so in the final two minutes you're bringing him cold
off the bench saying, yeah, go win the game. And
of course like the interceptions at the end looks off
on the fake spike and throw down the middle of
the field.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
But what do you expect you didn't prepare the guy.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
I was gonna ask you, how many times during the
week do you think they practiced that fake spike interception play?
Speaker 6 (39:25):
If they did practice it, I'll tell you this much,
it wasn't Bailey Zappi practicing it. He probably had to
walk through it on his own or get a rep
of it to a receiver who's running routes on air
or a spot up route.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
At some point and I'm sitting there thinking to myself,
this is this is this is one.
Speaker 6 (39:39):
Of the first times when you literally felt like this
is a dumpster fire with everything that came out last
week and the walk a shame thing. We talked about
to how the season's gone, to the situation with even
Mac Jones and Bailey Zappi, like they're pretty comparable players.
I mean, Mac Jones obviously had a much more decorated
career of Bama. Bailey Zappi was productive away during Kentucky.
(40:00):
But it's not like you're bringing a change up at
quarterback like they had in Malie Cunningham with a cut,
which when he was there, I was like, yeah, give
him a shot. Then, like he'll give you a different element.
He can he can definitely do some things with his
legs and it's capable as a thrower. And yet they
got rid of them. And so I'm like, man, this
is if there's ever a time, and especially at the end,
and it usually doesn't end pretty in the NFL. It
(40:21):
ends ugly for most people. I'm just shocked that it's
if it does end, then if it ends this year
the way it is ending for Bill Belcha.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
I wonder how many first time NFL viewers there were
in Germany who were like, I want to check this
league out. Everybody keeps telling me about it. And then
they saw that and were like, let's go get a
pretzel on a beer. This this game sucks and this
league sucks. That was brutal, and especially when you go
Dolphins Chiefs the week before you give them that bag
(40:51):
of crap in Frankfurt to start off the day yesterday
in the NFL, Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
Where's my bear? Minceh where's my bear? They're fighting the
hunt in.
Speaker 6 (41:05):
The AFC South, Like we talked about that Houston being there, Well,
there you are with Indianapolis, They're right in the mix.
The Jaguars now are obviously at the top of it,
but I mean they're what a game up? I mean,
it's it's gonna be it's gonna be tight to see
who's able to survive this this AFC seth.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
You know, I had a little bit of a conspiracy
theory I wanted to throw at you guys and music Okay, well,
I mean potentially, I mean, you know, well, we'll see
whether or not we've got you know, we've got the
band in studio here ready to play the all right.
So do you think maybe because we were kind of
kicking around and having fun on Friday with the Bill
(41:42):
Belichick walk a shame that you mentioned, Brady.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Do you think it's a little odd that.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
This just it just happened to come out Now it's
from the off season from Nantucket and just now with
all the speculation about what his job security is like,
do you think maybe somebody was planets it made him
look bad, might have had that on it.
Speaker 6 (42:04):
I came away more impressed too. He's in he's what
seventy one, he's good for his age, He's a unit.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
Agreed.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
Yeah, Oh, gosh, that barrel chest.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
He doesn't barrel.
Speaker 4 (42:14):
Let's add oh my gosh, let's oh my gosh. Okay,
I'm just.
Speaker 6 (42:20):
Saying I came away impressed, like seventy one looking like that,
still being active, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
I mean the animal Steel was the first thing that.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Came to mind, George Steel.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
I mean, that's just that's just me, though, turn Buckle,
he's eating a le, he definitely is.
Speaker 5 (42:40):
I just I just wonder if the walker Shane was
after he left his playbook or his memoirs and in
the place that he walked out of. And now it
really really comes to light that, you know, somebody has
stolen the information that may Bill Belichick special and now
(43:03):
he's not special.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
In him it could be I just I find it
for a guy that's so buttoned up, that's all about
he's locked in and coaching is everything that in the
year that's his most trying as a coach, that everyone's
talking about is his final year in New England. That
now this stuff pops up. Just wonder if, just wonder
if somebody in New England, you know, had had something
(43:25):
to do with it.
Speaker 6 (43:26):
Everyone needs a slumpbuster, you know, It's like, there you go,
trying to get that mojo back.
Speaker 5 (43:35):
When you lose your mojo. Believe me, it's hard. I
lost my mojo once or twice in my life before.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
What does it feel like when you lose your mojo?
Speaker 5 (43:45):
It's difficult. Man is not the same, bro, Life is
not the same. That's all I'm gonna tell you about.
This is the best of two pros and a couple
of Joe with Lamar Errings rating win and Jonas Knox
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
So I got to live vicariously through you guys because
I wasn't there, and majority of people listening to this
right now have to live vicariously through you guys, because
I don't know how this landed for anybody else on
the outside looking in, but Saturday and the build up
for Michigan Penn State there in State College and the
is Jim Harbaugh going to make it to the game?
(00:35):
Will they get the temporary restraining order on the suspension
for the final three games of the season. It was
Harbaugh Watch, He's ten minutes away from the stadium.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
He can be there.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
It was phenomenal television, Like I couldn't get enough of it.
And I'm just wondering, what was what was that place
like there at ground zero with all of that drama
going on even before the game kicked off.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
I mean, var how do you view it from the
Penn State perspective of it?
Speaker 5 (01:05):
It was excitement, a ton of excitement. I think the
energy that I felt on Saturday before calling the game.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Was really an environment of.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Happy Valley was going to go crazy when not if
when we beat Michigan in our stripeout game, you know,
we had the Fighter Jets fly over we I mean,
we pulled out all the stops. You know, there were
a lot of a lot of activations there.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
It was.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
It was a ton of excitement and I think there
was a no, I know, there was a ton of
optimism that you could feel like it was just very
very heavy. The amount of energy and electricity surrounding the
game was you know, it was it Actually, it was
so much. I think there was so much fun being
(02:03):
had that you could tell that the stands hadn't even
filled up by the kickoff, like they were still getting
lubed up in the tailgates to go in and watch
Penn State win that game. So, you know, it was
it was a great atmosphere, was a great energy, and
(02:24):
it was certainly if you're a Penn State or it
was a great just as great a let down, I.
Speaker 6 (02:30):
Can give you the perspective, like unbiased kind of broadcast
was we literally went into that day not knowing what
the show would really look like. I mean, so once
the once the tro the temporary strating order was filed
After Tony Pettiti, the commissioner for the Big Ten, came
(02:51):
down with the suspension. There was various sources saying that
once they filed the tro they thought that they could
get a judgment on it in time for Horba to
be there on the sideline. And what became kind of
a twist to the story that was interesting was Patkraft,
the athletic director of Penn State, said, look, man, if
(03:12):
he walks down, we're not getting in the way, Like
we're not gonna put ourselves or inject ourselves into this
controversy where we're gonna bar Jim Harball from walk on
the sidelines even if they don't get the tro through.
So we're kind of sitting there on the outside saying, well,
our entire rundown, which is like our show game plan,
(03:34):
if you will, we don't really know what we're gonna
do because because of this decision. Now, that's obviously what
we're leading the show off with. But at any point
in time, they could get a ruling on this, potentially
allowing Harbat to be there, and then that's gonna change
how you look at this thing. I mean, you're probably
trying to find cameras on Horrorball coming into the stadium.
(03:55):
You know it's gonna be like a WWE event, right,
He's walking out for behind like the villain. And so
meanwhile you're trying to do this the show where like
you're you're talking about all what's going on in college football.
There's a lot of big games that were going on,
(04:15):
and yet the centerpiece to all of it was like,
what's gonna happen with Jim Harbaugh and how is this
gonna impact or not impact the game? So it was
one of the most interesting, I guess shows that I've been.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
A part of, only because for the.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
Most part, studio shows are really scripted. You know, eighty
to ninety percent of what you put in is getting in,
you know, where when you call a game, it's like
eighty and ninety percent of your prep goes out the
window because once the game starts, it starts, and there's injuries,
and there's twists, there's turns and things that you just
have to follow the game, and so you've got to
(04:50):
be prepared in everything else you do and prepared really
to react.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
So that was an instance.
Speaker 6 (04:56):
Where like it was you're like kind of flying by
the seat of your pa ants with each segment saying like,
all right, what's with update?
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Now, what's happening? Now?
Speaker 6 (05:03):
There is lawyers involved, right, there's people trying to give
you their legal interpretations. You're trying to understand legal interpretations,
you know, Like my thing was from the people that
I talked to who are attorneys, and then my experience
being a player during the lockout. I wanted to educate
myself then on the granted kind of separate and how
(05:25):
that worked out. But with filing injunctions is these sorts
of things do not clear themselves up fast. Judges don't
want to rule on something that doesn't even if it's
some serious nature. They don't want to make a judgment
ruling on something without what they feel like is due process.
And what became the catchword or catchphrase over the course
(05:46):
of Friday Saturday was Michigan's not getting the due process
they deserve with the NCAA investigation and the Big Ten
and their punishment. And I think if you looked at
the judicial system, they didn't want to do that as well,
and so they weren't.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Gonna rule on it.
Speaker 6 (06:04):
I know everyone felt like they had the judges lined
up and they're you know, had Michigan backgrounds, and that's
what was gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
It was never gonna happen. Like that's that sort.
Speaker 6 (06:12):
Of thing takes time, whether it was the flake gate
or the lockout, like all all those sorts of decisions
take time, and so I kind of was pretty skeptical
of Horriball ever being involved in any capacity and was
kind of thinking to myself, like, at some point too,
as a head coach, you gotta sit back and go like,
am I being the distraction from my team by showing
up whether I can or cannot? Like at some point
(06:34):
the Hayes in the barn, I've got to let Sharon
Moore do his job as the interim head coach, and
my players and my staff focus the game plans in place.
It really just comes down to a few critical decisions
you're gonna make and some adjustments. And that was what
I thought was kind of most interesting. But man, I'll
tell you this much, the atmosphere and Happy Valley is unique.
(06:56):
It's not it's unlike anything else I've been a part of.
Now going there two years in a row, the stripeout
is ridiculous. The fans, the students, ridiculous, the setting ridiculous.
I mean, it is one of the coolest places. And
you see why people loving are so passionate about in
varro Y you are every time we go. I'm like,
(07:16):
that place is special. It really really is. So it
couldn't have been any bigger stakes along with the drama.
I know it's a long win a way of putting it,
but it was one of the coolest things that I've
I've really been a part of, I should say cool
but more unique things.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I've been a part of interesting signage too as well,
some of the messaging and some.
Speaker 6 (07:34):
By the way, dude, even Matt Canada can't get away
from fire There was probably four different fire Back Canada signs.
I'm like, geez, dude, I know we're in Pennsylvania, but like,
like this poor guy can't even like in a big
match up between Michigan and penn State, he can't even
get away there.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Like I'm sending you, I said, you guys a picture
of it.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
But there was a sign Matt Leonard's trying to make
a point, and there was a sign behind him that
just said Jim Harbot cheets on his wife again being there,
and just people let it fly before the game.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
And some of these signs they got to take down sometimes,
you know, depending on what they said. Trust me, there's
some really good signs that never make the light of
day on TV. So it's it's always fun to see
what these these kids come up with.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
Man, let it fly during the game. That because that
was letting it fly during the game.
Speaker 6 (08:29):
Go ahead, open up. Because I told you back when
they lost to Ohio State. I've watched this offense for
a period of years now with Mike Yersich, and people
were like, here's the realities. People were gonna get on
James Franklin for the management of that game, Like I thought,
going for too early, poor decision. It's fourteen to nine,
Like what's the point of going for two in the
(08:50):
first half like that? That made no sense to me.
And then when they do decide to go for two,
and you can have a debate about you know, hey,
you're you're down what twenty four to fifteen at that
point does it make sense to go for two at
that moment?
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Well, one, your earlier decision to go for two.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
Ended up playing impact on that decision, and then the
swinging gate that's the play you go with I just
like there were so many times when I looked at
the faulter of Penn State and not being able to
beat Ohio State and win a Big Ten championship or
beat Michigan win a Big Ten championship. It had to
do with their offense. Last time they won the Big
Ten championship, Joe Moorehead was the play caller. He's phenomenal,
(09:29):
and they won the beat Olehiuse State and won the
Big Ten one year. They lost by one the next year.
Like he's the head coach at Acron now, so you
know it'd be hard to maybe pry him away and
get him back, but it'd be worth giving him a call, man, like,
throw a bunch of money at him and see if
you could bring him back.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
The quarterback, the talent.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
That team is too good offensively and defensively not to
miss this window of opportunity. And because I really do
feel like the decision that James Franklin made was in
part probably the pressure on him, but also much.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Needed and unfortunately too late for this season. Yeah, it's
too late.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
That's that's certainly, you know, certainly the I mean the easy,
easy response to it. I just thought it was it
was kind of you know, you had a defense that
was playing their hearts out and listen the run. There
were a couple of big run plays that that they
they allowed to happen during the game, but you know.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
Largely they they really well, let's be real, that's two
years in a row. Now, Michigan's just run the ball
down their throats. I mean they took you not even
at times like they rush forward to hundred yards. That's
by far the most Penn State's given up all year.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
The push back and say at times it was it
was not consistent. They weren't consistently running it down their throats.
It was there were moments like maybe the second half
or second quarter they had some really really good runs.
There were some good runs in the third, and maybe
one or two a few in the fourth. I mean,
(10:59):
it was it wasn't like year before. It was not
like it.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Was they didn't rush for four hundred yards.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
But year before, yeah they didn't rush for four hundred yards,
but they they surely those.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
They didn't need to.
Speaker 6 (11:13):
And I think that's actually probably the more damning thing
was when you rush for two hundred and twenty seven yards,
which is still a lot and I don't care who
you are, and you've only given up I think on
average sixty per game before that.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
That's a lot.
Speaker 6 (11:24):
That's four times almost your average season. Yeah, and then
and by the way, you won thirty two straight running
plays with the exception of one DPI that you give
up for a first down. That that's it, though, Like
that's probably more damning than giving up four uner and
eighteen last year. It's that at home, you give up
to the point where it was a one dimensional team
and you.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Couldn't stop it. So that's what I'd push back.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
And say, Yeah, you might say there's a few big
runs here and there, but the reality is they never
stopped them running the football.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
But the score was reflective of the opportunities. And I
still think that the defense played at a level that
one hundred percent. If the offense had did more that
it would have been it would have been a different game.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
I mean, if you're going three.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
And outs, you know, as rapidly and as quickly as
as Penn State was going and just not really showing
any type of of hope, Like there you looked at
and it was like there wasn't like you're trying to
figure out like me and my couple of my former teammates,
you know, we were talking about it is like what
(12:31):
is the what's the game plan in this?
Speaker 4 (12:34):
In this?
Speaker 5 (12:35):
Like what are you looking at? The one play didn't
set up another play? There was no real logic in
the passing tree, like what what what routes are they running?
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Like what what are you setting up?
Speaker 6 (12:47):
I'm glad you're saying this now because I texted this
to you earlier this season with my frustration because I
feel like they're wasting the offensive talents time.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
That's how I feel watch was it was.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
I mean, the stats don't lie and and and when
you're talking about your number one receiver, and this is
just this is me being being critical and being an analyst.
This isn't me being you know, a fan and a homer.
But when you look at KeAndre Lambert Smith and he
has one catch for six yards, even even if you
(13:21):
call a bad game.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Won for four, Well he had a little bit more
than that.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
He had one catch for one catch.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Well yeah, yeah, yeah, and it was and it was
a big and it was a big catch.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Yeah, it was a big catch.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
I thought you were talking about his yardage, no, because
you know, because they didn't have to throw the ball
in the second half of Michigan. But I just I
think being critical from a critical eye when you're when
you're playing against a team like Michigan. And and by
the way the way we were playing, the way Penn
(14:01):
State was playing early on, you could clearly see that
if there was some success that they had that it
could have been a good It could have been a
good day for Penn State. But they slowly, they slowly
allowed Michigan to to gang confidence. They they made some
good plays some timely played JJ McCarthy. He probably hurt
(14:25):
us the most with his with his legs, more so
than even the running backs. And we just we didn't
win third downs well and and and it turned into a.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
What is our defense doing?
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Because we were, you know, there was not a lot
of hope in what the offense was going to bring.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
To the table.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
So I don't know, man, he just felt really one
sided and lopsided.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
I mean, I mean Korn did go for one hundred
and forty five and tunnies, so I don't I mean,
JJ had a couple runs that that helped convert. But
I would say this, I thought Penn State was gonna
was gonna win that game. After Abdul Carter came up
and popped Blake Korn. Man, and I'll say this much,
(15:07):
that was one where when you watch that hit, and
I was right there on the sideline, I was probably
ten yards back from where the hit took place.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
I thought blake Korn was knocked out.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
It looked like when he got popped, that ball came
out and he went kind of limp, and I was
watching to see how it was going to be handled.
And that's where like the dad in me comes out
as far as like player of safety, where I'm like, man,
you saw how busted up his face was after the
game that came on that hit, I'm pretty sure. And
I don't know if he got checked for a concussion
(15:38):
or not, but he definitely should have in that case
because it looked like it looked like he was kind
of dazed and confused out there for a minute before
obviously he was able to turn things back on. So
that was that point where I thought, man, Penn State's
got all the momentum.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
The crowd is nuts, and it's loud and everything else,
and it was.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
Just a slow mead and you gotta give you gotta
give Shan more credit because if you're an interim head coach,
a play caller on line, like you could have easily said, hey,
JJ McCarthy has been opening things up this year, we
could try to take some shots that he was just like, no, like.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
What would what would Jim Harball do?
Speaker 6 (16:16):
Jim Harball would do exactly what he did and keep
playing it kind of tight, running the football, limiting possessions,
like just playing that same type of battling game. And
that was That was the thing that you know, shining
moment for me is seeing Scharan wore a guy who
got his opportunity. He did a great job in that instance.
You could see the motions too, and he understood how
(16:38):
big that win was.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
I also thought it was crazy, though.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
I thought it was nice that they booke ended the
broadcast with curse bombs on the air from Charles Woodson
and then Sharan Moore after the game.
Speaker 6 (16:53):
It was definitely the most The most awkward thing that
happened was the flyover. Happened like they did must have
done a test run or something early. No, no, no, no,
So they did one when our show was on, probably
about two hours before the game Kit and Woodson at
one point just paused, was like looking up, looking around,
like I don't know if he thought there was an
(17:14):
issue where something was going on, but it was like, yeah,
like we can hear it where we're at, but that
doesn't necessarily always make it onto air, and so he
just kind of pause, was looking around it. Then it
became so awkward. You had to acknowledge what was happening.
At least for the viewers at home.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
You realized they were late.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
They were late, yeah, for the for the national anthem. Yeah, yeah,
I'm talking about before that, like.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
Two three Yeah, I saw him go by early, but
they were they were like two three men literally like
two or three minutes late flying Pie. After the national
anthem had finished up. I was like, oh god, I
hope this isn't you know, indicating to happen. Yeah, man,
it was, well it was.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
It was listen entertaining his to watch. Sorry bar, but
at least you got some hoping on. I'm just saying
that all jo It is two pros and a cup
of Joe. Here on Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn,
Jonas Knox with you. So coming up next year from
the tyraq dot Com Studios. We could be on the
verge of seeing something in the NFL that we haven't
(18:19):
seen in like seventy years.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Seriously, we'll get into that.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
For you right here. Seventy years. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
On Fox Sports Radio, be sure to catch live editions
of Two Pros and a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn,
LeVar Errington, and Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern
three am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 7 (18:45):
Listen to Comeback Stories. I'm Darren Waller. You may know
me best as a tied end for the New York Giants.
You may also know me for my story of overcoming
addiction alcoholism. You may have heard a few of my
tracks as an artist or a producer, and you may
have seen the work that I've done through my foundation.
And you may know my friend and co host Donnie
(19:07):
Starkins as well. And he's a mindfulness teacher, a yoga instructor,
a life coach, a man fully invested in seeing people
reach their fullest potential. And We've come to form this
platform of comeback Stories to really highlight not only our
own adversity, but adversity in the lives of well known
(19:27):
guests with amazing stories. Catch us every week on Comeback
Stories on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you
get your podcasts.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
We made mention of this quickly earlier, but there is
the potential of this actually happening. We've not seen it
since the nineteen fifties, but a rookie winning MVP in
the NFL, and CJ. Stroud is, at least in the conversation,
another fantastic performance Jesse. Yeah, it was a bad pick late,
but engineered the game winning drive for the Houston Texans
(20:06):
to go down and win that game in Cincinnati. He
did it last week as we mentioned and talked about
against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and he has been lights out.
We've talked about the Rookie of the Year odds. I
mean it's over.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
CJ. Stroud's is going to win that going away.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
But what he has done for the Houston Texans and
for that organization, they are light years ahead of what
anybody thought they were going to be projection wise before
the season started.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
He's second in the league in passing yards. He's thrown
for over eight hundred yards the past two weeks, led
him to two epic comebacks. He's thrown fifteen touchdowns to
just two interceptions, and this like so of it's a
rookie of the year's over maybe MVP if he stays
on this path. Right now, they were playing without Nico Collins,
(20:54):
who's been good for them. But I mean, look the
conversation then, and it started a few weeks back when
they scored off Houston versus Carolina, and then now it's
kind of continued the past couple of weeks. Like the
thing that I think as showcase itself is when you
looked at c. J. Stroud coming out of Ohio State,
he was lethfully accurate and in particular lethally accurate down
(21:16):
the field, and that wins in the NFL. Like his
play from the pocket, the way he can move within
the pocket and make throws, and how accurate he is
and his decision making was all in display. It's why
he was taking number two overall and was in the
conversation for number one overall.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
I'm sure with the brass there in Carolina.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
The interesting thing is the team that's around him like
this sneaky is like a good roster tank. Gell has
been phenomenal Dimiko Ryans as their head coach. It should
be up for Coach of the Year right now. I mean,
if the playoffs started today, they'd be a playoff team.
They'd be the seventh seed right now in the playoffs
of the playoffs started today. So it's kind of crazy
(21:55):
to think about a where this AFC South is because
they might be the best team in the South.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
I was about to say, I was waiting to see
if you were going to say that they could possibly
win it. They could win their division and and that
would be to me, I think that would you would
have to have grounds to give award to c. J.
Stroud possibly with you know, with the player the MVP award.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Well and that.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Yeah, and think about absolutely absolutely. I mean you go
from how many wins did they have a year ago?
Speaker 4 (22:29):
It wasn't many.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Three yeah, three.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Yeah, three wins?
Speaker 6 (22:33):
Come on, man, you go there, they've almost doubled that already.
They're five and four right now, and they've been bad
for a whole And here's the other thing is they
haven't really been able to run the football. Like if
you actually look at see what's more impressive is he's
been carrying them in that sense, like he's had to
do what he's done in order to give them a
shot in games this year, and so that's what kind
(22:55):
of stands out is even more remarkable about it. Now
we're gonna get comparison and everyone's gonna say, hey, he
should have went number one, and look, maybe you should have.
Maybe when it's all said and done, if this continues, yeah,
like in a rookie year, if you're on MVP, in
the MVP conversation, then then yeah, I think you're proving
a lot of people that were wrong. Even though I
still would say if you look at Carolina situations, it's
(23:15):
not an apples to apples comparison. I think it's a
much more difficult conversation with with what the Panthers are
dealing with than what the texts are dealing with. But
that doesn't take away, by the way, from what CD
Stroud's done, Like you can still have that conversation.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
I mean, we were doing the same thing back in
twenty sixteen with the Wentz and the golf stuff, Like
early on it looked like Carson Wentz was the better pick,
and then you.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Know, Pennsylvania games in the season.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
So like people trying to almost air out Bryce Young
and saying, oh my god, what a terrible Like some
places take a little bit more time. Carolina stinks all right,
and they've got a lot of a lot that they've
got to work through.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
CJ.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Stroud has been awesome, Like it's it has been really
fun to watch and ease lead the best quarterback in
that division. I mean, he's out played Trevor Lawrence from
the jump, and so just to see that play out
and see where they're at. It could come down to
a two horse race for Coach of the Year. And
so I mean, listen, Brady, you can't you can't ride
(24:17):
the fence on this. You gotta pick is it?
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Is it? Koc?
Speaker 4 (24:20):
All right?
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Careful of bar or are we going with Tamiko Ryans
to win Coach of the year? What are we looking
at here?
Speaker 4 (24:26):
What do you mean you can't ride the fence? That
season's like halfway over.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
You gotta start calling shots. Yeah, going Kevin O'Connell.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
I'm going Kevin O'Connell. You make fun of my voice
all you want, I'm going Kevin.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
O'con It's just like, what like, yeah, you can't, like
you don't have to make that decision.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Now, Oh I'm making it. Kevin O'Connell, Okay, you got that.
League gets so sensitive.
Speaker 6 (24:46):
Yeah, make fun of my It's the way you're saying it,
like you're going, well, yeah, yeah, you can't like, well,
no you can.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
I just there's no points like you could.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
By the way, I almost feel like they should pick
one from each conference because you end up a lot
of times missing out on guys are very deserving of
the award, but don't like they're in the conversation. So
there's the appreciation, But there really should be like a
Coach of the Year in each conference. I think that
would be fair only because I get it there's only
one MVP and all that, but there's still oftentimes you've
get two coaches done a really, really good job.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
They should be rewarded for it.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Do you think part of the reason why rookies don't
win MVP is kind of like the the Heisman Trophy,
trying to win it two years in a row. It's
almost like it's a knock against you the following year
because like the guys that.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Are favored to win it over CJ.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Stroud, I could argue him against a lot of these
guys like Joe Burrow has got better odds to win MVP,
Like I think CJ. Stroud's had a better year than
Joe Burrow, Like you can go through like Josh Allen,
I think he's had a better year than Josh Allen.
Like golfs on the list to a Taco Bay loa,
Like there's a lot of players on that Listen. I
(25:52):
just wonder if part of the knock on it is
rookies don't normally do it. As we mentioned, we haven't
seen it since the fifties, and maybe that's what's hold
holding this back from being a possibility.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Generally, I would say, on what you're saying, there's some
validity to it because you have to almost earn earn
the right to be considered the best. Right, So it's
kind of like, unless you are just outright, unquestionably just
better than everybody in the entire league during the course
(26:26):
of that campaign, it's more of a set up year.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Your rookie year is a set up year.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Like you can become a pro bowler, you can even
become an All Pro, but it's almost difficult to even
be a first team All Pro as a rookie, especially
at the quarterbacks position, and because it's less, right, you
only have one quarterback, So it's kind of like linemen,
you have more, you have more opportunities, right, you have
(26:54):
different positions, you have more opportunities to get to get
recognized at the quarterbacks position. You don't. And it's almost
like your rookie year is your setup year, or whatever
it is. It may be it's your setup year to say, Okay, yep,
this guy is the best, Like going into his sophomore season,
you'll he'll have more of an opportunity to actually unseat
(27:15):
some of the guys that maybe not have been more
deserving of the award, but their body of work has
created a credibility where they'll always get the benefit of
the doubt.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Can I take something unbelievable?
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (27:31):
Yeah, So how how many games as Kirk Cousins miss?
Speaker 4 (27:34):
Now is two? Two weeks now? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (27:39):
Okay, He's still top ten in passing yards. He has
eighteen touchdown passes, which would be tied for second in
the NFL, to only five interceptions. He was completing sixty
nine percent of his passes. Like when I was thinking
of it, excuse me, I was thinking of a case
of like like now, that I look at the numbers,
(28:00):
I would say statistically, speaking of active quarterbacks right now,
CEJ Strout would be my vote for MVP. Like when
you compare his numbers to everyone else that's a starting
quarterback right now, He's got better numbers with the exception,
i'd say of Cousins, which is shocking because he's missed
two games and yet he's thrown for more touchdown passes
(28:22):
complete or higher percentage of passes three for more yards
per game in that span. He's missed the last two weeks,
So that's that's the crazy thing. But if you had
a vote right now of active quarterbacks, like Stroud should
be the.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
MVP, just everybody.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Like on DraftKings right now, I'm looking through the list,
like Lamar Jackson and Jalen Hurts and Patrick Mahomes are
the co favorites or the are the three favorites at
the top, and then you've got Tua, Joe Burrow, McCaffrey,
Brock Purty, Josh Allen, Jared Gobb. You can argue him
against every single one of those.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
Guys, like, look, I get it, two has got more
touchdown passes. He also has more interceptions for that matter,
and thrown for as many yards. But the reality is,
like he is right up there in that conversation, and
I think we'd all agree too. I'm not saying that.
I mean because we saw last year and two got hurt.
It's a completely different team without him at quarterback there
in Miami.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
But you can make the.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
Same case of Stroud's not there. It's a completely different
team too in Houston. Like I don't I don't know
that they're they don't have a running record, and I
don't know how competitive they are. So if you're saying
most valuable player, I think he could make a really,
really strong case right now. And I think that's the
one thing where if you were trying to make a
case for Kirk Cousins, like, well, they've won the last
two games, even despite the fact that he's missed out
(29:35):
on that, so he maybe say like, yeah, he's statistical,
he did great, but maybe not quite as valued.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
So we've been talking all things NFL, college football and
listen the game that ended up Sundays Action, you know
was what it was. It was the Raiders and the Jets,
and somehow, some way, the Las Vegas Raiders are five hundred.
I don't get it. It doesn't make any sense to me,
But Antonio Pierce is now two to zero as head
(30:14):
coach of the Raiders. Is that the big takeaway from
the game on Sunday Night Football? Or is it the
fact that the New York Jets continue to have ourselves
at a little bit of a problem when it comes
to quarterback.
Speaker 6 (30:27):
Look, I know we want to put it all on
Zach Wilson. It's never all on the quarterback. I think
you know, you know what you have and kind of
what he is. And I've said this before when he
took over, he's played better football this year. I know
that's going to stand in the way of how the
results have been when he's been starting, but he has
played better for him that he's played in the past.
(30:49):
I just think they have to win in a very
specific and style of way, and when they can't play
those sorts of games, it becomes a problem. I mean,
I'll say this much. I mean the throw he made
at the end just to be able to get the
ball out of his hand to have a shot at
hail Mary like you see is like talent and ability.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
With Crosby like gunning down on him.
Speaker 6 (31:10):
Wearing down on him and has like a side arm
like fifty yards sling of a throw or whatever. I mean,
like that's a special that's special talent. There's just I
think a disconnect. And I'll say this like quarterbacking is
such a an experimental position where like some guys just
have a shorter learning curve than others. You know, some
can get in the NFL and kind of adapt to
(31:31):
the game rather quickly, like CJ. Shroud's done so far
as a rookie this year, and others it takes time.
It takes them in a lot of reps and the
jump that from where they were to where they're going
and what they're asked to do, and the changes around them,
like all those things impede on some of that growth.
So it's look, he's better than where it was a
year ago. But the frustrating part I think for this
(31:52):
team is, you know, they've they're not gonna be able
to win shootouts. They're not gonna be a win throwing
the football around. They're gonna have to play great defense,
run the football, not turn the football over, and win
tight games.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
And that's just it's tough to do consistently in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Yeah, it just it feels like it's got to be
so frustrating. Man Like if you're just thinking, God, the
defense is there. It seems like they've got it all together.
It seems like that, you know, they land Rogers and
yet here we are and just to deal with the
injuries and to see it play out it like they
just can't get in the end zone, Like they can't
(32:28):
score and and Sala's.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Over there, Like, man, I don't know what else to do.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
And people can throw out, well, you're gonna bench Zach Wilson,
you're gonna Is that really gonna help it?
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Like?
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Is that gonna help the situation? It just it feels
like they just well, it feels like their season and
as much as we want to talk about hope and
optimistic that Aaron Rodgers could come back, four plays in
to their season, it was over.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
That was it.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
And now they're just kind of trying to figure out
whatever they can to try and stay afloat with some
sort of possibility, which just seems to be dwindling as
the season goes on.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
But how about them Raiders.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Yeah, Antonio Pierces coach and with the gauntlet they had
to just go through playing the Giants and Jets.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Man oh man, he should be on the Coach.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Of the Year.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
Well, I'll tell you what. They are going to get
a real one the next two weeks.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Huh.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
The Raiders is going to go up against the Dolphins
and the Chiefs over the next two weeks.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
That's that that'll be. I'll say this, if he gets.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
One win out of those two games, don't you, I
feel like you unless he has some type of crazy
slide where he can't win another game, I think he
I mean, you solidify your your opportunity to be the
coach next year if you beat the you know, the
Chiefs or the Dolphins, right, yeah, yeah, I mean I
(33:56):
would think so, yeah, still.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
A little bit waste to go, but I would think that.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
I do wonder if Mark Davis, you know, we talked
about this at the time. Rich Pisaccia was a guy
that everybody loved there. When they decided to move on
from him and go to the Josh McDaniels route that
did not sit well with a lot of people there.
And I wonder if he looks back on that and says,
if we got a guy in the house that everybody
likes and they're playing hard for, like why go out
(34:23):
and make the splash higher of the big name that's
out there. We've got somebody that we can roll with,
and it's somebody who loves the organization like he does.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
You know the last Raiders head coach to start off
to and oh Archie Sacha.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Oh, was Rich Piacci really Rich Pissacia?
Speaker 4 (34:38):
Right Bassacia.
Speaker 6 (34:42):
Well, the other thing that was interesting about last night's
game is like, I mean the Jets outgained them. They
were better on third down. I mean the Raiders had
two turnovers, they won the turnover differential, Jets only.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Had the Wilson pick.
Speaker 6 (34:56):
Like if you if you kind of broke down just
based on that, you'd say, yeah, yeah, the Jets like
probably could have should have.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
Won that game. In some ways, they couldn't really execute
in the red zone.
Speaker 6 (35:05):
It just feels like when they when they need a play,
obviously Garrel Wilson's the guy they go to or finding
ways to getting the ball to Preesse Hall. But I
don't know, man, It's just it's tough to They have
to play such a tight and almost near perfect game
I think, each week in their style in order to
be to pull out these wins.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Why why were they throwing the ball on that third
down when they were trying to there was a minute
and change left and New York had all three timeouts left,
and they ran Josh Jacobs and then ran them again.
Jets are having to burn their timeouts because Zach Wilson
got picked, and then on third down, you would just
assume they're going to run the ball again and force
them to use that final time out, and they threw it.
Speaker 6 (35:44):
Why I don't know, but you know if you're The
funny thing is, as we read through the rundown, like
the most the most I thought, the poor decisions, the
most critical you'd be have a coach based on decision
making yesterday was probably Bill Belichick And we don't even
have that on the rundow like crazy, which is crazy
(36:05):
because they're now at a two and eight team. Yeah,
and they played the early game in Germany, so it
kind of gets kind of swept on the rug But
like people have been critical of Bill Belichick and his
power as both a general manager slash head coach. This
was one of the first instances where I'm like, wow,
I mean for your coaching staff. Last year you hire
(36:26):
Patricia's euroc that's a disaster and a dumpster fire between
Patricia and Joe Judge. And now again not saying they're good,
they're bad coaches, but just maybe you know, keep them
on defense, keep them the special team, keeping another different spot.
You bring in Bill O'Brien, you try to make up
for that issue this year than in this specific game.
(36:46):
You're down seven to three, you've got fourth and goal,
your offense has not moved the football, and you elect
in the fourth quarter with twelve.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
Minutes left kick your field goal.
Speaker 6 (36:57):
A little bit surprising in part because your defense had
basically stopped Indianapolis with exception basically one drive earlier than
Jonathan Taylor touchdown. So if you don't get it and
they're backed up, so bet you're gonna you're gonna win
the field position game.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
If you do get it, great, you go up. You're
winning the game now.
Speaker 6 (37:16):
And instead they elect to kick a field goal and
you're still down, still need another score, so they kickoff,
Colts will turning out to the fifty yard line. A
couple first downs later, they get a field goal. Now
they're back to right where they started.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
It's ten to six. Now you need a touchdown. So
I just I looked at that decision.
Speaker 6 (37:31):
I was thinking, Okay, that was odd, and especially in
that moment in a world of analytics where it just
didn't make any sense, and your offense is struggled to
get down there and score. Why and then the final
two minutes you just throw in Bailey Zappi. And I
know people will say, well, Marc Joels, it wasn't that bad.
He was fifteen o twenty threw a bad pick, all right,
(37:53):
Like outside of that, like that wasn't that bad. Especially
could see what their offenses looked like this year, and
it's not like they've you've got a bunch of playmakers
running around. I mean, Douglas the rookie, has been the
most explosive. They're trying to get it more involved. But
I mean, I just it was so confusing, befuddling to
see him just throw Bailey Zappi in there. And they
(38:14):
showed a shot of them on the sidelines and Matt
kind of goes over to say like, hey, man, go
get it done, Go get a win, and you can
see Zapp's like, what the hell is this like coming
in cole in Germany. And here's the thing I can
tell you about, like being a starter slash backup. When
you're a starter, if you're giving up reps to the backup,
they're probably like first second down reps during the week
(38:35):
if you give up any Okay, mostly that backup's taking
scout team reps and they're telling them who to throw
to on the scout team cards because they want the
defense to get picks and feel good. Right, So if
you're the backup, you're surely not getting situational reps. So
you're not getting the two minute drive, you're not getting
third down, you're not getting red zone reps, like those
are saved for your quarterback because sometimes you've got so
(38:57):
many plays in your game plan you don't even have
time to rep them all, like you might be just
doing some through walkthrough, so you're walking through it but
never getting a live feel for some of it. And
so in the final two minutes you're bringing him cold
off the bench saying, yeah, go win the game. And
of course like the interceptions at the end looks off
on the fake spike and throw down the middle of
the field.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
But what do you expect you didn't prepare the guy.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
I was gonna ask you, how many times during the
week do you think they practiced that fake spike interception play?
Speaker 6 (39:25):
If they did practice it, I'll tell you this much,
it wasn't Bailey Zappi practicing it. He probably had to
walk through it on his own or get a rep
of it to a receiver who's running routes on air
or a spot up route.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
At some point and I'm sitting there thinking to myself,
this is this is this is one.
Speaker 6 (39:39):
Of the first times when you literally felt like this
is a dumpster fire with everything that came out last
week and the walk a shame thing. We talked about
to how the season's gone, to the situation with even
Mac Jones and Bailey Zappi, like they're pretty comparable players.
I mean, Mac Jones obviously had a much more decorated
career of Bama. Bailey Zappi was productive away during Kentucky.
(40:00):
But it's not like you're bringing a change up at
quarterback like they had in Malie Cunningham with a cut,
which when he was there, I was like, yeah, give
him a shot. Then, like he'll give you a different element.
He can he can definitely do some things with his
legs and it's capable as a thrower. And yet they
got rid of them. And so I'm like, man, this
is if there's ever a time, and especially at the end,
and it usually doesn't end pretty in the NFL. It
(40:21):
ends ugly for most people. I'm just shocked that it's
if it does end, then if it ends this year
the way it is ending for Bill Belcha.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
I wonder how many first time NFL viewers there were
in Germany who were like, I want to check this
league out. Everybody keeps telling me about it. And then
they saw that and were like, let's go get a
pretzel on a beer. This this game sucks and this
league sucks. That was brutal, and especially when you go
Dolphins Chiefs the week before you give them that bag
(40:51):
of crap in Frankfurt to start off the day yesterday
in the NFL, Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
Where's my bear? Minceh where's my bear? They're fighting the
hunt in.
Speaker 6 (41:05):
The AFC South, Like we talked about that Houston being there, Well,
there you are with Indianapolis, They're right in the mix.
The Jaguars now are obviously at the top of it,
but I mean they're what a game up? I mean,
it's it's gonna be it's gonna be tight to see
who's able to survive this this AFC seth.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
You know, I had a little bit of a conspiracy
theory I wanted to throw at you guys and music Okay, well,
I mean potentially, I mean, you know, well, we'll see
whether or not we've got you know, we've got the
band in studio here ready to play the all right.
So do you think maybe because we were kind of
kicking around and having fun on Friday with the Bill
(41:42):
Belichick walk a shame that you mentioned, Brady.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Do you think it's a little odd that.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
This just it just happened to come out Now it's
from the off season from Nantucket and just now with
all the speculation about what his job security is like,
do you think maybe somebody was planets it made him
look bad, might have had that on it.
Speaker 6 (42:04):
I came away more impressed too. He's in he's what
seventy one, he's good for his age, He's a unit.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
Agreed.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
Yeah, Oh, gosh, that barrel chest.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
He doesn't barrel.
Speaker 4 (42:14):
Let's add oh my gosh, let's oh my gosh. Okay,
I'm just.
Speaker 6 (42:20):
Saying I came away impressed, like seventy one looking like that,
still being active, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
I mean the animal Steel was the first thing that.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Came to mind, George Steel.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
I mean, that's just that's just me, though, turn Buckle,
he's eating a le, he definitely is.
Speaker 5 (42:40):
I just I just wonder if the walker Shane was
after he left his playbook or his memoirs and in
the place that he walked out of. And now it
really really comes to light that, you know, somebody has
stolen the information that may Bill Belichick special and now
(43:03):
he's not special.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
In him it could be I just I find it
for a guy that's so buttoned up, that's all about
he's locked in and coaching is everything that in the
year that's his most trying as a coach, that everyone's
talking about is his final year in New England. That
now this stuff pops up. Just wonder if, just wonder
if somebody in New England, you know, had had something
(43:25):
to do with it.
Speaker 6 (43:26):
Everyone needs a slumpbuster, you know, It's like, there you go,
trying to get that mojo back.
Speaker 5 (43:35):
When you lose your mojo. Believe me, it's hard. I
lost my mojo once or twice in my life before.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
What does it feel like when you lose your mojo?
Speaker 5 (43:45):
It's difficult. Man is not the same, bro, Life is
not the same. That's all I'm gonna tell you about.
Hosts And Creators
Brady Quinn
LaVar Arrington
Jonas Knox
Popular Podcasts
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
24/7 News: The Latest
The latest news in 4 minutes updated every hour, every day.
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.