June 4, 2024 • 38 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Brady and LaVar pay tribute to Larry Allen who passed away at age 52. Justin Jefferson’s new contract makes him the highest annual earner outside of QB’s. Producer Lee returns from Austin and much more on “ICYMI.”
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Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah, what's up? We got Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
I'm about to say, like before I because I came
in hype. Yeah, but before I get to be in hype,
gotta pay homage to one of the goats of the
goats Man and go good you had it, so go
go ahead run with it.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Well, I was gonna say, we're going to in the
next segment if that's okay, or would you.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Better start there?
Speaker 4 (01:35):
You know what, as long as we acknowledge it, as
long as we acknowledge it right out out the gate,
that's that's that's all, Because I don't I don't. I
want to make sure it's acknowledged immediately that that you know,
a good man, you know, a good man is not
here anymore, so we can wait.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
But I just wanted to make sure.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
That we acknowledged it immediately upon the start of the show.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
We can acknowledge it.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I was going to say, as soon as our show
ended yesterday, we basically got word of Hall of Fame
offensive lineman Larry Allen passing away at the age of
fifty two and a sad day obviously for a lot
of those cowboys fans out there. His family, friends, loved ones,
many of those that played with them, obviously those that
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played against him, you know, probably the same to.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
A degree, even though he was arguably the.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Most dominant player that I can think back to in
my lifetime. I was a rookie when we got the
opportunity the very last game of the season to play
against the San Francisco Fort Niners team that had Larry
Allen on it. And I don't know that I've seen
a man ever be that large than that athletic, even
at the end of his career.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
I've seen a lot of men large, and I've seen
a lot of men athletic in my day. Dudes like
big DG Daryl Garner, guys like Leon let and who
Alonso's spellman. I've seen some big dudes. I never seen
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a dude built to play.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
It's like.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Larry Allen is to offensive line in the offensive side
of the ball to Reggie White on the defensive side
of the ball. That's the comp right, And when you
talk about that camp, Reggie White is considered by a
lot of people to be one of the most dominant
defensive players. Even in the conversation with lt Is, in
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the conversations with one of the most physically dominating.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Players to ever played this game.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
That was Larry Allen on on the offensive side of
the ball.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
And you said you met in your rookie year. So
did I.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
I met that man my rookie year and and and
and at my age and at that time, q I
did not think that what took place with him was
possible for me. And it was one of the most
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eye opening experiences, humbling experiences. It's like, I'm named after
Coon Takente, right. I have you ever seen the movie The Roots,
You'll understand where I'm at right now. When he held
up Coon Takente to the skies and said, behold the
only thing greater than yourself, right, And basically it is
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like the universe is like it.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
It's God. Right.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
I never thought that I would meet a man that
would make me rethink that there was something greater than
myself when I hit him for the first time. And
I remember because during the course of the week, everybody said,
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everybody slips the block on Larry Island. Nobody ever wrong
arms Larry Island, nobody ever does it like you could try.
Many have tried, many have come, many have failed. Like
I'm going to wrong arm this, dude, Like, you gotta
be kidding me, Like, not only am I going to
wrong arming, but I'm gonna show him what this is
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all about. Like this is what it is? This like
this is that new era of NFL. This is six
foot four, six three, two hundred and fifty pounds of
raw coming at you right, and we're in this game.
And sure enough, first series, the man pulls right. I
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go to Eddie And this is when I knew things
was different, Like this was just something altogether of a
different Like is he here?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Is he?
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Is he from this world? Is he from this place?
I hit the man, the man hits me. We hit
each other as hard as we possibly can have. So
I definitely did what I said I was going to do.
The only problem that happened, Q was my body stopped right.
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My body came to a complete stop, and the sweat
on my jersey kept going. That was like that was
an eye opening experience. I had never seen sweat come
off of a jersey in a moment the way that
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it did right then and there. And my body came
to a complete stop. Zero boom going one hundred miles
an hour, zero stopped boom, But my sweat kept going.
My sweat was still going after the ball. Maybe my
spirit was still going after the ball too, but my
physical yeah, it stayed right.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Where was that He gave you an outer body experience? Hey, bro?
Speaker 4 (07:07):
When I sat there and was able to breathe again
because he hit me in my chest. He caught me
in my chest. When I was able to breathe again
and realize the magnitude of what happened, I basically said
to myself, Okay, like this is in college anymore, like
I've been skating through this season. This is like like
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this is real like that, like there are people that
exist that can do And then I looked at him
and when I looked at him, he had one of
the blankest stairs that that you'd ever.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
See, like like a killer, like like you was.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
You was out there in the wilderness with this man
and he was hunting you.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
And that began for me.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
A career along of going had the head and thumping.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
With the other. La.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
I had to hear LA for an entire four quarters
twice a year, and it wasn't me and you would
hear it.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Like la la damn la la la the whole entire time.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Everything went through what Larry Allen did when he was
on that line of scrimmage, and so as a player,
because I did not know him as a man, like
we were in the Pro Bowl together.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
He didn't say much. I was there.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
I was there, like standing there when that man grabbed
that two twenty five and it looked like he was lifting,
you know, two barbells of twenty five pounds. I was
there when he did it, and to just experience how
physically gifted this man was. Again, a lot of people
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may not have known it. People have heard his name,
but people may not have known it enough to reverence it,
like we do you know different you know, position skill sets.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
He said, it's a thankless job.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
But man, I tell you, as a player, it was
an honor and a pleasure to go against him. And
knowing the guys like like all the dudes that I
know that played for played with Larry Allen. I talked
to Spice Adams yesterday. I saw Emmitt Smith, Like, guys
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were really really broken up. They're really broken up over him,
you know, passing away. And to me, that's all two
years old. Bro's It's an ultimate testament of who he
was to the people who knew him and cared about
him because they weren't broken up because he was a
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dope football player. They're broken up because somebody that they
truly admired, loved and appreciate it passed away at such
an early age.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Man, I think it draws the light too as we
look at the current stance right now in the NFL
of you know, the owners winning eighteen games, trying the
players trying to push and manipulate the offseason, and just
the give and take of what is always the collective
bargain agreement is I keep harpening on lifetime healthcare, you know,
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trying to find ways of doing more that's going to
help protect those that came before you.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
This is an example of that.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
You know, some of the different issues that guys have
been having in regards to their bodies because of the
overuse of tortal or even ibuprofen and other things that
you know, probably were at the time thought that it
was okay and now not so much.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Right, the medical industry might have changed. Depinion on that.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
I'm not going to go down that rabbit hole, as
obviously the medical industry has changed.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Depending on some of the things that have occurred in
the past few years.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
But the point is like this is a moment in
time with the NFLPA Instead of going for getting to
free agency sooner or some of the stuff that Albert
Breers mentioned, I'll just call it crap because it doesn't
actually become the high tide that raises all boats. You
could go to something that would help you know a player,
and who knows if there's a way of preventing this
for Larry Allen to allow him to grow older an
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age and you know, I allow people to continue to
appreciate the man that he was, whatever the case may be,
though he had to have been one of the most
dominant players.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I think your cop to Reggie White is pretty fair.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
But it also takes me back to a time when
the Pro Bowl used to be cool.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
It used to be fun because.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Larry Allen would put it together, the bench press competition,
and he would be on full display of how strong
and just how ridiculous he really was, and it was.
It took me back to those days of like the
Quarterback Challenge, the quarterback competitions and everything else that came
along with it. When the NFL used to have a
race of the fastest man. You know, all those things
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that the NFL used to do, Like he was one
of those, I guess i'd say, like prize people that
made it go, that made it work that if you
were tuning into that, you want to see Larry Allen
throw up two twenty five a b jillion times. I mean,
it's just it's sad to see him go. He was
an unbelievable obviously Hall of Fame player, but as you
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had touched on from a lot of people that know
Larry Allen feel like he was the type of Hall
of Fame person as well.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
So man, thoughts and prayers.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Yeah, yeah, respect, Like you said, thoughts in prayers, I
mean straight respect, man, straight respect. There's a few dudes
that when you think about, you just get choked up
because of the admiration that you had for them and
how you competed against one another. And I'm I'm proud
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and I'm lucky enough to say that I was one
of the ones that was a part of experiencing and
being a part of that greatness to a degree into
a capacity. So yeah, man, respect, man, big big respect
to Larry Allen into his family.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
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Speaker 2 (14:23):
Well, I'm not sure where we're going with this one.
Lorena Hey Lee was on vacation. H yeah, yeah, he
was that guy. I got you now, I got you now. Unfortunately,
guess vacations. That wasn't the first that came to mind.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
So that being said Lee was on vacation lead to
lap our producer, was it ironically coincidentally?
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Like? Which one? Was it? I think coincidentally appropriate least
way of described.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Okay, all right, but we'll let Lee chime in to
tell us exactly how the vacation went.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
When it was up to Lee, I mean it.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Was questioned yesterday by Petros Papadakis. Yes, why you and
Jonahs seem to take time off the same time every time?
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (15:10):
This was completely coincidental. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
I I had told her.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
I had told Jonas I was when you know, hey,
I'm gonna be off in two weeks at this time,
and he said, oh so am I? So yeah, that
was completely coincidental. I'm sorry this you know.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Than you Were you aware of that conversation that took
place that oh, hey I'm going to be off, Yeah,
me too, I'm going to be off to you know what,
We're gonna both be off at the same time. Were
you were you privy to that? Comment I was not. Oh, okay,
all right. So coincidentally you and I were in a
privy part of that, uh, that conversation that took place
between Jonas and uh and lead the lat Wow.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Well I'm more curious though, leave what you did. It's
over your four day weekend.
Speaker 6 (15:56):
What I did do was I I split off to
go to Austin for a few days, visit some friends
out there, had a great time.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
When where Wye's cousin is from.
Speaker 6 (16:05):
That's right, yeah, okay, all right, Yeah. I went down
to Sixth Street, some saw the saw some comedy at
the Mothership at Joe Rogan's. Uh did some bar hopping,
of course, made it to Barton Springs, which is a
fun little like pool area of natural springs this area.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah, yeah, how hammered? Did you get? Lee? Oh?
Speaker 6 (16:27):
Completely hammered. I think I've forgot half the Mothership show. Unfortunately,
it was a good show though, I remember laughing a
lot and uh and yeah, I got super sunburnt and
dehydrate over there at the Prime Springs.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I'm going to admit something right now.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
So I got absolutely mangled in Austin one night, and
it was kind of based on what happened with a broadcast.
So Texas is playing West Virginia in Austin. All right,
there is a sequence where West Virginia is coming back.
There's a hail Mary opportunity at the very end of
the game. So they throw the hail Mary and it's
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a bit chaotic because obviously after it hits, you know,
Texas wins, but the officials are congregating because there was
a player that ran on and then off the field
that towards the end of the game, and so there
was a thought that Texas had.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Twelve players in the field.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
So we kind of are going back through and I'm
using the telestrator at this moment to then count and
there's a tool, right, you get this software package of
tools you can use and you're counting, and.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Well, sometimes there's glitches.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Sometimes it doesn't work, like the screen won't when you
touch it, it won't actually work. Sometimes you know, if you
touch too hard, like two things will pop up. Well,
in this instance, I didn't realize Texas was showcasing, and
I'm almost actually thinking maybe Texas lost this game and
it was them coming back.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
I think that actually maybe of what took place.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
I think this is maybe West Virginia actually beat Texas
in Texas. Anyway, the point is I was trying to
count how many defensive players was in the tellustrator. What
I didn't realize was the stadium took our broadcast feed,
and so all they have up on the jumbo tron
is this counter that I have already done because there's
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a delay. Yet I said on the broadcast, Well, no, no,
that just double counted, like there was you know, a
messed up.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Let me do this again. And so everyone in the
stadium thinks there was twelve men on the field, and
in fact, there wasn't twelve men. There was only ten.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Like they tried to defend the play the Hail Mary
play with only ten and between the toss to the
next game or whatever else we had, and the chaos
from how the stadium reacted, and probably a little bit
on Joe Davis for throwing me under the bus because he's,
you know, playing this up at this moment and I'm
and I'm like, there's nothing I could do.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
It was a glitch in the you know.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
This whole telestrator system, and so it was like the
entire the crowd was completely bummed.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
They thought they were gonna get another shot at this.
They thought like they still had a chance to get
back in and win it. That's all. That's I think.
That's why I'm convinced by the way that Texas lost.
And that was the end of the story.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
That was how the broadcast ended with all this controversy
and everyone questioning.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
In the stadium. So we went out that night. I'm
pretty sure they serve absent there.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
There's not many bars that do, and and we had
some good tastings with that, which you know, basically will
erase your memory for the rest of this.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
Yeah, attitude adjustment after that one. That's that's a tough ending.
Oh oh, but I do got to share one thing
though from the trip is that my my flight got
canceled on the way back. I actually almost missed today's show.
They wanted me to come back today. I had to
buy a whole new ticket to get back yesterday.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
They wouldn't buy a ticket for you.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
They well, it was American Airlines. Thank you, American Airlines
that of course canceled the flight. I think they had
like a strike with all with all the workers.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
They're pilots, and now what is with American like like
everyone's got issues. I saw mark Ingram yesterday posting about
it American happening issues, or maybe it was two days ago.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
My wife and my family, they all go to the airport.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
We used miles and points to buy tickets, so they
got the confirmation numbers all stuff. But they say they
have to check in at the airport. So they go
check in. They say two of the tickets they don't have.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Which are for two of our children. So we're like,
what do you mean you don't have them?
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Like, here's the confirmation, here's the code you send us
to email, like this is all. They're like, no, well
it didn't work because you guys paid with points, but
what do you mean? And they literally could not give
us an explanation. And they the best part was they
got to the airport like two hours early. They gave
up their seats and so they were nice enough where
a guy was allowed our like two daughters to sit
next to each other, but they were like trying to
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separate our the family and the whole thing. It was
a whole mess, but all thanks to American Airlines, who
has turned into the absolute dumpster fi fire of the
airline industry at this point.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
Yeah, no help from them whatsoever. I did have to
go through another airline in order to get home.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Uh yeah, say that airline? Who came who came to
the rescue of American Airline?
Speaker 6 (21:08):
Oh, our favorite airline, Southwest Southwest with the clutch.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
You know, we make fun of him.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Everyone in there and get your stalls, sit down.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Hit the dinner bell and started throwing peanuts and stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Here's a free drink, here's some nuts, here's mixed mixed snacks.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Take this, eat that. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
I took two minutes to try to finish my wings
and my beer.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
I turned around and they were gone ug like wait,
I'm in group one.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
It didn't matter, doesn't matter, man, they start is gone there.
Speaker 7 (21:52):
They get those little like sheep hurting. It's just like
all in there. You know, I was in the last row,
in the middle seat. Yeah, Lee, you're that guy. Yeah,
I was that guy at that trantive.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Being that guy justin Jefferson, he did inkage gigantic deal.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
He he could get a Southwest jet. I'll tell you
that name.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Jefferson one of the best to do it, in my opinion,
the best to do when he's healthy.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I think the stats and the accolades backed that up
the past few years.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
He gets a four year one hundred and forty million dollars.
That's new money average of thirty five million per year.
That's the highest non quarterback average annual value AAV as
they like to say.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
In NFL history.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
He gets one hundred and ten million total one guarantees
almost eighty nine million at signing.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Uh, this was assumed.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
We were presumed to take your t happen at some
point this offseason. Minnesota obviously feels very highly about Justin
set Jefferson allowing Kirk Cousins Daniel Hunter leaving free agency
and draft their replacements. As compared to Justin Jefferson, where yeah,
maybe there were some calls, maybe there's a speculation about
them trading up, but at the end of the day,
they get the deal done. LeVar, This is one to
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me that where when you hear about a guy resetting
of the market for a position, oftentimes you end up saying, yeah,
they're a really good player, but it's just their time.
This is different. This is the best receiver. It makes
a lot of sense as to why he would be
resetting the market.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
It's very justified, and you don't want to have him upset,
you know, hitting into this. This this is his final year, right,
If he finishes out this season without a deal, then
he can do the same thing that Kirk Cousins did, Right,
he can decide that he wants to test the market.
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And believe you me, if they were going to keep
him in Minnesota at that point, it was going to
cost way way more perceivably now for Justin Jefferson. The
reason why I think it's it's pretty pretty smart and
pretty pretty advantageous.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
I said, I mentioned this before.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
If I'm him and I had a little bit of
issues with my hamstring and stuff like this this past season,
I don't want to take any chances, and I want
to try to get my money now because I had
no idea how it's going to play out with my
quarterback situation. So I'm going to leverage that right now
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so I don't have to go back to the table
and try to demand a top a top contract after
maybe not having the best of seasons for one and
then two the year before kind of dealing with not
not being there for all the games and being as
productive as I could have been. And so now you
put two years back to back. So Minnesota did the
(24:56):
right thing because you got to play the odds here.
You don't want to lose loose Kirk Cousins this year
and then lose Justin Jefferson the next year. It just
doesn't seem like you're trying to win as an organization
if you allow that to happen. So now he resets
the market, and so quickly you sit there and you say, well,
(25:17):
damn if Justin Jefferson, knowing what you just said is correct,
is that he is probably the top guy, arguably the
top guy when he is healthy. You're still looking at
it from the perspective of Jamar Chase and CD Lamb
are going what is their contract going to look like?
Are they going to get as much? Are they going
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to get more? Are they going to reset the market?
Where does this go now? Because now Jefferson is what
the the number two highest paid outside of a quarterback?
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (25:51):
No, it's not forget how you stated now the highest
annual value yep, that's I mean, god, no money average
come out to thirty five million per year.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
He was scheduled to make around nineteen million plus this year.
So that so just so folks out there understanding. Not
this matters a bunch, but this is typically what agents
do to make themselves look good and peacock around and
pound their chest. They typically release to the media the
new money average, So in essence, the deal is, you know,
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four years, one hundred and forty million new money. That
doesn't include the nineteen point seven or so that was
in the final year of his deal that's averaged into it,
which then brings down that value so it's not quite
as high.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
And then that's.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Typically how agents report it. They want to make themselves
look good. They want their player to think that they
did the best job that anyone's ever done for a
non quarterback, even though that's typically not usually how this goes.
But I digress. You brought up the point of Jamaar
Chase Ceedee Lamb. That's kind of where the conversation pivots
because if you look at the accolades, I think Ceedee Lamb.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Is closest based on his accomplishments.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
What he's done. He's got more receiving touchdowns at this point.
I don't think he has as many All pros and
doesn't have quite as many yards, but he is also
a player that's been ascending every single year, he's gotten better,
better and better.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Similar with Justin Jefferson for that matter.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
So Ceedee Lamb to me would be the next one
that would be up for it if someone's going to
surpass it. But they haven't figured out an extension for
Dak Prescott. Doesn't seem like they're going to. Micah Parsons
hasn't been going to involuntary excuse me, voluntary otias, and
he wants a new deal even though he has two.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Years left on his deal.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
But if you're the Dallas Cowboys, you only have yourself
to blame because every single player that has two years
left on their deal and they've proven to be one
of the best in the league, they're gonna come knocked
out the door. You already did it with Zeke Elliott.
You set the precedent, and that's what we talk about
oftentimes in the NFL and really in business, is once
(27:55):
you set the precedent, every agent, every player after that
point is going to.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Get the same thing. They show the same treatment.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
So that's what makes show us more difficult. For Ceedee
Lamb and then for Jamar Chase. You signed Burrow last
year to a huge deal, you've got Tiggins under the
franchise tag or excuse mean Higgins.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
T Higgins, He's under the franchise tag.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
So that leaves Jamar Chase another guy with two years
left on his deal because they've picked up the fifth
year option as a potential player to get that extension.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
However, like something's got.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
To give either they got to move on from t
Higgins so that one year franchise tag isn't heading the
salary cap, or you know, they just I guess play
out this year, maybe kick the can down the road
for a year if you're the Bengal's doing with Jamar Chase.
But it is a little bit cheaper if they can
get it done now as opposed to waiting another year
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from now.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
The question just comes, you know, how.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Much are they willing to sign in a signing bonus,
in you know, total guarantees. The Brown family in sins
Daddy does not have as deep a pockets as Gerry Jones,
for example, and the wealthiest franchise in sports in the
world right now in the Dallas Cowboys, so it's harder
for them to be able to shell.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Out the cash that they need to shell out.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
And as signing bonus and in guarantees because there's those
monies as soon as you guarantee, you know, as soon
as you sign them to that contract. Whatever's in guarantees
has to be put an escrow. From the ownership side,
It's hard to do if you're an ownership that doesn't
have deep pockets. So that's what complicates the Jamar Chase
effort to surpass.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
What would be, you know, the biggest non.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Quarterback contract in NFL history for Justin Jefferson.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
But you know who, I ain't going want to hear that.
You know who's not going want to hear it? Who?
Speaker 4 (29:39):
The players? Like, Oh, you have to put it all
in escrow? Huh okay that for you pay me? Oh
so you mean that, yeah, if you pay me? Like, no,
there are no there are no if and butts about it, qualifiers, this, that,
and the other. These dudes that that are playing at
(30:00):
that elite level are coming for the contracts that they
want or are they going to go somewhere else. They're
going to go somewhere else, And I wonder how does
that all play out? Like these guys are going to
have what what are these these franchises going to have
to do?
Speaker 2 (30:15):
They're going to have to exercise.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Franchise tags, Like, how how does this all play out?
You're going to have some disgruntled players because this is
it just seemingly everything that you just mentioned.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
It just seems like.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
These these some of these these UH franchises are not
going to be able to satisfy what what the player
is going to ask for, Like you said, it can
be done. Are they going to be willing to make
the concessions and conceive what it is that they're going
to have to do in order to make some of
(30:49):
these contracts, you know, make them come come through because
they don't have to accept the contract offer if it's
put out there.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
You could put it out there and say, hey, we
we offered.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
The guy UH a really really fair deal.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
And he denied it. He didn't want to do it.
You know.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
So there's there's a lot of factors that could play
into how all of this plays out. Everybody has to
want to play ball. Both sides got to want to
make a deal happen in order for it to happen.
But it's interesting because the question will continue to persist
in terms of is there a bubble on NFL contracts?
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Right? And when does it pop. I don't know that
it will pop.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
As long as the salary cap continues to keep increasing
in value, and as long as Roger Goodell in the
NFL keep finding ways of generating revenue, it's it's hard
for to think it's going to pop. And so the
only thing that ultimately kills the Golden Goose would be
a work stoppage. If you look at it this way,
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it would be a work stoppage. And with the way
players are being compensated now, I don't see that coming
anytime soon. Because the guys who are at the top
that typically lead that are these stars of the league.
They're not willing to pass up the opportunity to make
a ton of money.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
And the guys who are on the other bottom.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Of the league, you know, the lower you know, economic earners,
those guys need the money. And so there's really no
one in between that's wanting to say, hey, this is
what we need to do, this is what's best for
our union in order to get what we want in
our collective bargain agreement, whatever that may be. And so
that's that's the difficulty of you know, looking at it
(32:30):
from that standpoint saying.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Like well, how how does this get messed up?
Speaker 1 (32:34):
And the only other thing I can think of it
I've floated this idea before, is if some foreign entity
I think we know kind of how that works watching
live sport, gets heavily involved and they try to start up.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
A league or a competitive league, maybe a global league.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Maybe that's some of the concern too about the NFL
looking at more internationally. Is there a bit concern about,
you know, how fast something start up and be an
im media competition to their product.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
I mean, we could say this sounds like a fairy tale.
The truth is the Livetour.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Didn't start up that long ago, and it's literally brought
things to a point now with the PGA Tour. Eventually
they're gonna have to come to an agreement because they
just don't have as much money to be able to
compete long term. Especially the Libturq. He's poaching player after
player after player. But I digress. Congrats to Justin Jefferson.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
What a deal. I mean, he's an absolute thoroughbred.
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Speaker 3 (34:54):
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Speaker 2 (35:01):
In case you missed it, Ole, what'll we got brother?
Speaker 6 (35:07):
Good morning everybody, Good morning Brady, Good morning LeVar. Guys,
in case you missed this. The San Francisco forty nine,
thank you, sir, right, are reportedly close to it, Hey, Brady,
the forty nine ers are reportedly close to signing former
Washington Commanders star tight end Logan Thomas, who will be
joining nights. Yeah, Howard Packed's offense there in San Francisco.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
That's a lot of tight ends too, who are very
capable of doing different things.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
My log and Thomas story is actually pretty funny.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
So back when he was playing quarterback, this is at
the very beginning of his career in Arizona. I was
broadcasting one of those games and there was speculation going
into the game.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
We didn't know if it was gonna be Carson Palmer.
We didn't know if it would be true.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Standrewstan had a concussion the week prior, and so we
thought it might be the rookie Logan Thomas, who I
believe came out of Virginia sack, big, strong arm, all that,
but I believe.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Blue Bruce Aris was the head coach at this point.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
So as we're pulling up to the stadium there in Glendale, Arizona,
I see him, Logan Thomas, standing outside where you kind
of go to check in through security through like the
back and you drive down this ramp and then down
back and do the where security is and the players
and media and so forth go in, and I'm like, Logan, what.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Are you doing?
Speaker 1 (36:22):
And the security guy it was like this might have
been a police officer. He stopped at me. He's like,
I don't have my parking pass. I can't get down there.
And I looked at the guy. I was like, dude,
he might be the starting quarterback today. I was like,
just get in the car. I was like, he's fine.
I was like, he's with us, here's our credentials. And
I was like and it was funny enough. The guy
was like, well, hold on a second. I was like, look, dude,
he's in the media guy. I literally passed him a
(36:43):
media guy and showed him a picture, and I was like, Logan,
why don't you just tell him your name? He was
like too humble to want to actually tell them who
he was, or maybe embarrassed, but he gave his parking
pass to his family, so we took him down.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
We dropped him off.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
He obviously just walked straight in and straight into the
locker and all that. He didn't end up starting that game,
but it was still every time I see him here,
but I'm always like, man, I just I would go
back to that rookie year for him.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
I better be glad it wasn't Valhalla. Guys, would have
been an Orge jumpsuit, will sir, mister Quinn, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Get out of the vehicle, get out, get into the vehicle. Yeah.
What else we got?
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Well, guys?
Speaker 6 (37:28):
An update here in case you missed this. The Jake
Paul Mike Tyson fight obviously will not face will not
face off July twentieth, after Tyson uh suffered ulcer flare up.
That's gonna be limiting his ability to train fully. So
Netflix has decided to push it back.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
They will not take Jake Paul's.
Speaker 6 (37:45):
Offer to fight fellow YouTube turnboxer KS one, but they
are making this happen, hopefully in the fourth quarter of
the year.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Yeah. Right, that's never going to happen. Then, I'm glad
Mike is rethinking it.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
Whether it's Mike's ulcer or whether it's his brain or
somebody he trusts. I'm glad this isn't going to happen,
even though I think he's rethinking.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
You don't think it's just a matter of his health condition.
It could be both. Yeah, I don't want I don't
want to be scared of.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
I don't think I don't I'm not gonna say scared
of and not in that that regard. I just think
he's he can tarnish himself more than he can help himself.
And if it's not about the money, then there's no
reason for him.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
To take that fight.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
What say, If it's about the money, then you know
you gotta take your chances.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
I guess.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
But man, I don't know that that's good money for
Mike Tyson.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
I don't know that. You never know. We'll have to
wait and see, I guess. So
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Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah, what's up? We got Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
I'm about to say, like before I because I came
in hype. Yeah, but before I get to be in hype,
gotta pay homage to one of the goats of the
goats Man and go good you had it, so go
go ahead run with it.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Well, I was gonna say, we're going to in the
next segment if that's okay, or would you.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Better start there?
Speaker 4 (01:35):
You know what, as long as we acknowledge it, as
long as we acknowledge it right out out the gate,
that's that's that's all, Because I don't I don't. I
want to make sure it's acknowledged immediately that that you know,
a good man, you know, a good man is not
here anymore, so we can wait.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
But I just wanted to make sure.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
That we acknowledged it immediately upon the start of the show.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
We can acknowledge it.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I was going to say, as soon as our show
ended yesterday, we basically got word of Hall of Fame
offensive lineman Larry Allen passing away at the age of
fifty two and a sad day obviously for a lot
of those cowboys fans out there. His family, friends, loved ones,
many of those that played with them, obviously those that
(02:21):
played against him, you know, probably the same to.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
A degree, even though he was arguably the.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Most dominant player that I can think back to in
my lifetime. I was a rookie when we got the
opportunity the very last game of the season to play
against the San Francisco Fort Niners team that had Larry
Allen on it. And I don't know that I've seen
a man ever be that large than that athletic, even
at the end of his career.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
I've seen a lot of men large, and I've seen
a lot of men athletic in my day. Dudes like
big DG Daryl Garner, guys like Leon let and who
Alonso's spellman. I've seen some big dudes. I never seen
(03:10):
a dude built to play.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
It's like.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Larry Allen is to offensive line in the offensive side
of the ball to Reggie White on the defensive side
of the ball. That's the comp right, And when you
talk about that camp, Reggie White is considered by a
lot of people to be one of the most dominant
defensive players. Even in the conversation with lt Is, in
(03:40):
the conversations with one of the most physically dominating.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Players to ever played this game.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
That was Larry Allen on on the offensive side of
the ball.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
And you said you met in your rookie year. So
did I.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
I met that man my rookie year and and and
and at my age and at that time, q I
did not think that what took place with him was
possible for me. And it was one of the most
(04:20):
eye opening experiences, humbling experiences. It's like, I'm named after
Coon Takente, right. I have you ever seen the movie The Roots,
You'll understand where I'm at right now. When he held
up Coon Takente to the skies and said, behold the
only thing greater than yourself, right, And basically it is
(04:43):
like the universe is like it.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
It's God. Right.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
I never thought that I would meet a man that
would make me rethink that there was something greater than
myself when I hit him for the first time. And
I remember because during the course of the week, everybody said,
(05:09):
everybody slips the block on Larry Island. Nobody ever wrong
arms Larry Island, nobody ever does it like you could try.
Many have tried, many have come, many have failed. Like
I'm going to wrong arm this, dude, Like, you gotta
be kidding me, Like, not only am I going to
wrong arming, but I'm gonna show him what this is
(05:31):
all about. Like this is what it is? This like
this is that new era of NFL. This is six
foot four, six three, two hundred and fifty pounds of
raw coming at you right, and we're in this game.
And sure enough, first series, the man pulls right. I
(05:53):
go to Eddie And this is when I knew things
was different, Like this was just something altogether of a
different Like is he here?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Is he?
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Is he from this world? Is he from this place?
I hit the man, the man hits me. We hit
each other as hard as we possibly can have. So
I definitely did what I said I was going to do.
The only problem that happened, Q was my body stopped right.
(06:22):
My body came to a complete stop, and the sweat
on my jersey kept going. That was like that was
an eye opening experience. I had never seen sweat come
off of a jersey in a moment the way that
(06:42):
it did right then and there. And my body came
to a complete stop. Zero boom going one hundred miles
an hour, zero stopped boom, But my sweat kept going.
My sweat was still going after the ball. Maybe my
spirit was still going after the ball too, but my
physical yeah, it stayed right.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Where was that He gave you an outer body experience? Hey, bro?
Speaker 4 (07:07):
When I sat there and was able to breathe again
because he hit me in my chest. He caught me
in my chest. When I was able to breathe again
and realize the magnitude of what happened, I basically said
to myself, Okay, like this is in college anymore, like
I've been skating through this season. This is like like
(07:31):
this is real like that, like there are people that
exist that can do And then I looked at him
and when I looked at him, he had one of
the blankest stairs that that you'd ever.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
See, like like a killer, like like you was.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
You was out there in the wilderness with this man
and he was hunting you.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
And that began for me.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
A career along of going had the head and thumping.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
With the other. La.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
I had to hear LA for an entire four quarters
twice a year, and it wasn't me and you would
hear it.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Like la la damn la la la the whole entire time.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Everything went through what Larry Allen did when he was
on that line of scrimmage, and so as a player,
because I did not know him as a man, like
we were in the Pro Bowl together.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
He didn't say much. I was there.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
I was there, like standing there when that man grabbed
that two twenty five and it looked like he was lifting,
you know, two barbells of twenty five pounds. I was
there when he did it, and to just experience how
physically gifted this man was. Again, a lot of people
(09:00):
may not have known it. People have heard his name,
but people may not have known it enough to reverence it,
like we do you know different you know, position skill sets.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
He said, it's a thankless job.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
But man, I tell you, as a player, it was
an honor and a pleasure to go against him. And
knowing the guys like like all the dudes that I
know that played for played with Larry Allen. I talked
to Spice Adams yesterday. I saw Emmitt Smith, Like, guys
(09:33):
were really really broken up. They're really broken up over him,
you know, passing away. And to me, that's all two
years old. Bro's It's an ultimate testament of who he
was to the people who knew him and cared about
him because they weren't broken up because he was a
(09:54):
dope football player. They're broken up because somebody that they
truly admired, loved and appreciate it passed away at such
an early age.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Man, I think it draws the light too as we
look at the current stance right now in the NFL
of you know, the owners winning eighteen games, trying the
players trying to push and manipulate the offseason, and just
the give and take of what is always the collective
bargain agreement is I keep harpening on lifetime healthcare, you know,
(10:26):
trying to find ways of doing more that's going to
help protect those that came before you.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
This is an example of that.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
You know, some of the different issues that guys have
been having in regards to their bodies because of the
overuse of tortal or even ibuprofen and other things that
you know, probably were at the time thought that it
was okay and now not so much.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Right, the medical industry might have changed. Depinion on that.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
I'm not going to go down that rabbit hole, as
obviously the medical industry has changed.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Depending on some of the things that have occurred in
the past few years.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
But the point is like this is a moment in
time with the NFLPA Instead of going for getting to
free agency sooner or some of the stuff that Albert
Breers mentioned, I'll just call it crap because it doesn't
actually become the high tide that raises all boats. You
could go to something that would help you know a player,
and who knows if there's a way of preventing this
for Larry Allen to allow him to grow older an
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age and you know, I allow people to continue to
appreciate the man that he was, whatever the case may be,
though he had to have been one of the most
dominant players.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I think your cop to Reggie White is pretty fair.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
But it also takes me back to a time when
the Pro Bowl used to be cool.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
It used to be fun because.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Larry Allen would put it together, the bench press competition,
and he would be on full display of how strong
and just how ridiculous he really was, and it was.
It took me back to those days of like the
Quarterback Challenge, the quarterback competitions and everything else that came
along with it. When the NFL used to have a
race of the fastest man. You know, all those things
(12:05):
that the NFL used to do, Like he was one
of those, I guess i'd say, like prize people that
made it go, that made it work that if you
were tuning into that, you want to see Larry Allen
throw up two twenty five a b jillion times. I mean,
it's just it's sad to see him go. He was
an unbelievable obviously Hall of Fame player, but as you
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had touched on from a lot of people that know
Larry Allen feel like he was the type of Hall
of Fame person as well.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
So man, thoughts and prayers.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Yeah, yeah, respect, Like you said, thoughts in prayers, I
mean straight respect, man, straight respect. There's a few dudes
that when you think about, you just get choked up
because of the admiration that you had for them and
how you competed against one another. And I'm I'm proud
(12:56):
and I'm lucky enough to say that I was one
of the ones that was a part of experiencing and
being a part of that greatness to a degree into
a capacity. So yeah, man, respect, man, big big respect
to Larry Allen into his family.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Man, let's take a break off of that, but coming
up next to here on Two Pros and a Cup
of Show coming to you live from the tire rack
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We've all been through some sort of adversity to get
to the top.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
We've all used different tools.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Listen to Unbreakable with Jay Glazer and Mental Wealth podcast
on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you
get podcasts.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Well, I'm not sure where we're going with this one.
Lorena Hey Lee was on vacation. H yeah, yeah, he
was that guy. I got you now, I got you now. Unfortunately,
guess vacations. That wasn't the first that came to mind.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
So that being said Lee was on vacation lead to
lap our producer, was it ironically coincidentally?
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Like? Which one? Was it? I think coincidentally appropriate least
way of described.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Okay, all right, but we'll let Lee chime in to
tell us exactly how the vacation went.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
When it was up to Lee, I mean it.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Was questioned yesterday by Petros Papadakis. Yes, why you and
Jonahs seem to take time off the same time every time?
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (15:10):
This was completely coincidental. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
I I had told her.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
I had told Jonas I was when you know, hey,
I'm gonna be off in two weeks at this time,
and he said, oh so am I? So yeah, that
was completely coincidental. I'm sorry this you know.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Than you Were you aware of that conversation that took
place that oh, hey I'm going to be off, Yeah,
me too, I'm going to be off to you know what,
We're gonna both be off at the same time. Were
you were you privy to that? Comment I was not. Oh, okay,
all right. So coincidentally you and I were in a
privy part of that, uh, that conversation that took place
between Jonas and uh and lead the lat Wow.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Well I'm more curious though, leave what you did. It's
over your four day weekend.
Speaker 6 (15:56):
What I did do was I I split off to
go to Austin for a few days, visit some friends
out there, had a great time.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
When where Wye's cousin is from.
Speaker 6 (16:05):
That's right, yeah, okay, all right, Yeah. I went down
to Sixth Street, some saw the saw some comedy at
the Mothership at Joe Rogan's. Uh did some bar hopping,
of course, made it to Barton Springs, which is a
fun little like pool area of natural springs this area.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah, yeah, how hammered? Did you get? Lee? Oh?
Speaker 6 (16:27):
Completely hammered. I think I've forgot half the Mothership show. Unfortunately,
it was a good show though, I remember laughing a
lot and uh and yeah, I got super sunburnt and
dehydrate over there at the Prime Springs.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I'm going to admit something right now.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
So I got absolutely mangled in Austin one night, and
it was kind of based on what happened with a broadcast.
So Texas is playing West Virginia in Austin. All right,
there is a sequence where West Virginia is coming back.
There's a hail Mary opportunity at the very end of
the game. So they throw the hail Mary and it's
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a bit chaotic because obviously after it hits, you know,
Texas wins, but the officials are congregating because there was
a player that ran on and then off the field
that towards the end of the game, and so there
was a thought that Texas had.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Twelve players in the field.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
So we kind of are going back through and I'm
using the telestrator at this moment to then count and
there's a tool, right, you get this software package of
tools you can use and you're counting, and.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Well, sometimes there's glitches.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Sometimes it doesn't work, like the screen won't when you
touch it, it won't actually work. Sometimes you know, if you
touch too hard, like two things will pop up. Well,
in this instance, I didn't realize Texas was showcasing, and
I'm almost actually thinking maybe Texas lost this game and
it was them coming back.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
I think that actually maybe of what took place.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
I think this is maybe West Virginia actually beat Texas
in Texas. Anyway, the point is I was trying to
count how many defensive players was in the tellustrator. What
I didn't realize was the stadium took our broadcast feed,
and so all they have up on the jumbo tron
is this counter that I have already done because there's
(18:27):
a delay. Yet I said on the broadcast, Well, no, no,
that just double counted, like there was you know, a
messed up.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Let me do this again. And so everyone in the
stadium thinks there was twelve men on the field, and
in fact, there wasn't twelve men. There was only ten.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Like they tried to defend the play the Hail Mary
play with only ten and between the toss to the
next game or whatever else we had, and the chaos
from how the stadium reacted, and probably a little bit
on Joe Davis for throwing me under the bus because he's,
you know, playing this up at this moment and I'm
and I'm like, there's nothing I could do.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
It was a glitch in the you know.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
This whole telestrator system, and so it was like the
entire the crowd was completely bummed.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
They thought they were gonna get another shot at this.
They thought like they still had a chance to get
back in and win it. That's all. That's I think.
That's why I'm convinced by the way that Texas lost.
And that was the end of the story.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
That was how the broadcast ended with all this controversy
and everyone questioning.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
In the stadium. So we went out that night. I'm
pretty sure they serve absent there.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
There's not many bars that do, and and we had
some good tastings with that, which you know, basically will
erase your memory for the rest of this.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
Yeah, attitude adjustment after that one. That's that's a tough ending.
Oh oh, but I do got to share one thing
though from the trip is that my my flight got
canceled on the way back. I actually almost missed today's show.
They wanted me to come back today. I had to
buy a whole new ticket to get back yesterday.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
They wouldn't buy a ticket for you.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
They well, it was American Airlines. Thank you, American Airlines
that of course canceled the flight. I think they had
like a strike with all with all the workers.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
They're pilots, and now what is with American like like
everyone's got issues. I saw mark Ingram yesterday posting about
it American happening issues, or maybe it was two days ago.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
My wife and my family, they all go to the airport.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
We used miles and points to buy tickets, so they
got the confirmation numbers all stuff. But they say they
have to check in at the airport. So they go
check in. They say two of the tickets they don't have.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Which are for two of our children. So we're like,
what do you mean you don't have them?
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Like, here's the confirmation, here's the code you send us
to email, like this is all. They're like, no, well
it didn't work because you guys paid with points, but
what do you mean? And they literally could not give
us an explanation. And they the best part was they
got to the airport like two hours early. They gave
up their seats and so they were nice enough where
a guy was allowed our like two daughters to sit
next to each other, but they were like trying to
(20:50):
separate our the family and the whole thing. It was
a whole mess, but all thanks to American Airlines, who
has turned into the absolute dumpster fi fire of the
airline industry at this point.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
Yeah, no help from them whatsoever. I did have to
go through another airline in order to get home.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Uh yeah, say that airline? Who came who came to
the rescue of American Airline?
Speaker 6 (21:08):
Oh, our favorite airline, Southwest Southwest with the clutch.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
You know, we make fun of him.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Everyone in there and get your stalls, sit down.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Hit the dinner bell and started throwing peanuts and stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Here's a free drink, here's some nuts, here's mixed mixed snacks.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Take this, eat that. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
I took two minutes to try to finish my wings
and my beer.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
I turned around and they were gone ug like wait,
I'm in group one.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
It didn't matter, doesn't matter, man, they start is gone there.
Speaker 7 (21:52):
They get those little like sheep hurting. It's just like
all in there. You know, I was in the last row,
in the middle seat. Yeah, Lee, you're that guy. Yeah,
I was that guy at that trantive.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Being that guy justin Jefferson, he did inkage gigantic deal.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
He he could get a Southwest jet. I'll tell you
that name.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Jefferson one of the best to do it, in my opinion,
the best to do when he's healthy.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I think the stats and the accolades backed that up
the past few years.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
He gets a four year one hundred and forty million dollars.
That's new money average of thirty five million per year.
That's the highest non quarterback average annual value AAV as
they like to say.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
In NFL history.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
He gets one hundred and ten million total one guarantees
almost eighty nine million at signing.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Uh, this was assumed.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
We were presumed to take your t happen at some
point this offseason. Minnesota obviously feels very highly about Justin
set Jefferson allowing Kirk Cousins Daniel Hunter leaving free agency
and draft their replacements. As compared to Justin Jefferson, where yeah,
maybe there were some calls, maybe there's a speculation about
them trading up, but at the end of the day,
they get the deal done. LeVar, This is one to
(23:10):
me that where when you hear about a guy resetting
of the market for a position, oftentimes you end up saying, yeah,
they're a really good player, but it's just their time.
This is different. This is the best receiver. It makes
a lot of sense as to why he would be
resetting the market.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
It's very justified, and you don't want to have him upset,
you know, hitting into this. This this is his final year, right,
If he finishes out this season without a deal, then
he can do the same thing that Kirk Cousins did, Right,
he can decide that he wants to test the market.
(23:49):
And believe you me, if they were going to keep
him in Minnesota at that point, it was going to
cost way way more perceivably now for Justin Jefferson. The
reason why I think it's it's pretty pretty smart and
pretty pretty advantageous.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
I said, I mentioned this before.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
If I'm him and I had a little bit of
issues with my hamstring and stuff like this this past season,
I don't want to take any chances, and I want
to try to get my money now because I had
no idea how it's going to play out with my
quarterback situation. So I'm going to leverage that right now
(24:32):
so I don't have to go back to the table
and try to demand a top a top contract after
maybe not having the best of seasons for one and
then two the year before kind of dealing with not
not being there for all the games and being as
productive as I could have been. And so now you
put two years back to back. So Minnesota did the
(24:56):
right thing because you got to play the odds here.
You don't want to lose loose Kirk Cousins this year
and then lose Justin Jefferson the next year. It just
doesn't seem like you're trying to win as an organization
if you allow that to happen. So now he resets
the market, and so quickly you sit there and you say, well,
(25:17):
damn if Justin Jefferson, knowing what you just said is correct,
is that he is probably the top guy, arguably the
top guy when he is healthy. You're still looking at
it from the perspective of Jamar Chase and CD Lamb
are going what is their contract going to look like?
Are they going to get as much? Are they going
(25:38):
to get more? Are they going to reset the market?
Where does this go now? Because now Jefferson is what
the the number two highest paid outside of a quarterback?
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (25:51):
No, it's not forget how you stated now the highest
annual value yep, that's I mean, god, no money average
come out to thirty five million per year.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
He was scheduled to make around nineteen million plus this year.
So that so just so folks out there understanding. Not
this matters a bunch, but this is typically what agents
do to make themselves look good and peacock around and
pound their chest. They typically release to the media the
new money average, So in essence, the deal is, you know,
(26:23):
four years, one hundred and forty million new money. That
doesn't include the nineteen point seven or so that was
in the final year of his deal that's averaged into it,
which then brings down that value so it's not quite
as high.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
And then that's.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Typically how agents report it. They want to make themselves
look good. They want their player to think that they
did the best job that anyone's ever done for a
non quarterback, even though that's typically not usually how this goes.
But I digress. You brought up the point of Jamaar
Chase Ceedee Lamb. That's kind of where the conversation pivots
because if you look at the accolades, I think Ceedee Lamb.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Is closest based on his accomplishments.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
What he's done. He's got more receiving touchdowns at this point.
I don't think he has as many All pros and
doesn't have quite as many yards, but he is also
a player that's been ascending every single year, he's gotten better,
better and better.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Similar with Justin Jefferson for that matter.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
So Ceedee Lamb to me would be the next one
that would be up for it if someone's going to
surpass it. But they haven't figured out an extension for
Dak Prescott. Doesn't seem like they're going to. Micah Parsons
hasn't been going to involuntary excuse me, voluntary otias, and
he wants a new deal even though he has two.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Years left on his deal.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
But if you're the Dallas Cowboys, you only have yourself
to blame because every single player that has two years
left on their deal and they've proven to be one
of the best in the league, they're gonna come knocked
out the door. You already did it with Zeke Elliott.
You set the precedent, and that's what we talk about
oftentimes in the NFL and really in business, is once
(27:55):
you set the precedent, every agent, every player after that
point is going to.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Get the same thing. They show the same treatment.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
So that's what makes show us more difficult. For Ceedee
Lamb and then for Jamar Chase. You signed Burrow last
year to a huge deal, you've got Tiggins under the
franchise tag or excuse mean Higgins.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
T Higgins, He's under the franchise tag.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
So that leaves Jamar Chase another guy with two years
left on his deal because they've picked up the fifth
year option as a potential player to get that extension.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
However, like something's got.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
To give either they got to move on from t
Higgins so that one year franchise tag isn't heading the
salary cap, or you know, they just I guess play
out this year, maybe kick the can down the road
for a year if you're the Bengal's doing with Jamar Chase.
But it is a little bit cheaper if they can
get it done now as opposed to waiting another year
(28:47):
from now.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
The question just comes, you know, how.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Much are they willing to sign in a signing bonus,
in you know, total guarantees. The Brown family in sins
Daddy does not have as deep a pockets as Gerry Jones,
for example, and the wealthiest franchise in sports in the
world right now in the Dallas Cowboys, so it's harder
for them to be able to shell.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Out the cash that they need to shell out.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
And as signing bonus and in guarantees because there's those
monies as soon as you guarantee, you know, as soon
as you sign them to that contract. Whatever's in guarantees
has to be put an escrow. From the ownership side,
It's hard to do if you're an ownership that doesn't
have deep pockets. So that's what complicates the Jamar Chase
effort to surpass.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
What would be, you know, the biggest non.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Quarterback contract in NFL history for Justin Jefferson.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
But you know who, I ain't going want to hear that.
You know who's not going want to hear it? Who?
Speaker 4 (29:39):
The players? Like, Oh, you have to put it all
in escrow? Huh okay that for you pay me? Oh
so you mean that, yeah, if you pay me? Like, no,
there are no there are no if and butts about it, qualifiers, this, that,
and the other. These dudes that that are playing at
(30:00):
that elite level are coming for the contracts that they
want or are they going to go somewhere else. They're
going to go somewhere else, And I wonder how does
that all play out? Like these guys are going to
have what what are these these franchises going to have
to do?
Speaker 2 (30:15):
They're going to have to exercise.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Franchise tags, Like, how how does this all play out?
You're going to have some disgruntled players because this is
it just seemingly everything that you just mentioned.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
It just seems like.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
These these some of these these UH franchises are not
going to be able to satisfy what what the player
is going to ask for, Like you said, it can
be done. Are they going to be willing to make
the concessions and conceive what it is that they're going
to have to do in order to make some of
(30:49):
these contracts, you know, make them come come through because
they don't have to accept the contract offer if it's
put out there.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
You could put it out there and say, hey, we
we offered.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
The guy UH a really really fair deal.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
And he denied it. He didn't want to do it.
You know.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
So there's there's a lot of factors that could play
into how all of this plays out. Everybody has to
want to play ball. Both sides got to want to
make a deal happen in order for it to happen.
But it's interesting because the question will continue to persist
in terms of is there a bubble on NFL contracts?
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Right? And when does it pop. I don't know that
it will pop.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
As long as the salary cap continues to keep increasing
in value, and as long as Roger Goodell in the
NFL keep finding ways of generating revenue, it's it's hard
for to think it's going to pop. And so the
only thing that ultimately kills the Golden Goose would be
a work stoppage. If you look at it this way,
(31:51):
it would be a work stoppage. And with the way
players are being compensated now, I don't see that coming
anytime soon. Because the guys who are at the top
that typically lead that are these stars of the league.
They're not willing to pass up the opportunity to make
a ton of money.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
And the guys who are on the other bottom.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Of the league, you know, the lower you know, economic earners,
those guys need the money. And so there's really no
one in between that's wanting to say, hey, this is
what we need to do, this is what's best for
our union in order to get what we want in
our collective bargain agreement, whatever that may be. And so
that's that's the difficulty of you know, looking at it
(32:30):
from that standpoint saying.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Like well, how how does this get messed up?
Speaker 1 (32:34):
And the only other thing I can think of it
I've floated this idea before, is if some foreign entity
I think we know kind of how that works watching
live sport, gets heavily involved and they try to start up.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
A league or a competitive league, maybe a global league.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Maybe that's some of the concern too about the NFL
looking at more internationally. Is there a bit concern about,
you know, how fast something start up and be an
im media competition to their product.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
I mean, we could say this sounds like a fairy tale.
The truth is the Livetour.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Didn't start up that long ago, and it's literally brought
things to a point now with the PGA Tour. Eventually
they're gonna have to come to an agreement because they
just don't have as much money to be able to
compete long term. Especially the Libturq. He's poaching player after
player after player. But I digress. Congrats to Justin Jefferson.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
What a deal. I mean, he's an absolute thoroughbred.
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(34:45):
He's out today. I'll be back tomorrow though, but back
with us is the one and only lead to lap
and it's time for a little something we call this.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Sometimes you can't get to everything in the world of
sports or entertainment. Good thing the guys are to bring you.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
In case you missed it, Ole, what'll we got brother?
Speaker 6 (35:07):
Good morning everybody, Good morning Brady, Good morning LeVar. Guys,
in case you missed this. The San Francisco forty nine,
thank you, sir, right, are reportedly close to it, Hey, Brady,
the forty nine ers are reportedly close to signing former
Washington Commanders star tight end Logan Thomas, who will be
joining nights. Yeah, Howard Packed's offense there in San Francisco.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
That's a lot of tight ends too, who are very
capable of doing different things.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
My log and Thomas story is actually pretty funny.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
So back when he was playing quarterback, this is at
the very beginning of his career in Arizona. I was
broadcasting one of those games and there was speculation going
into the game.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
We didn't know if it was gonna be Carson Palmer.
We didn't know if it would be true.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Standrewstan had a concussion the week prior, and so we
thought it might be the rookie Logan Thomas, who I
believe came out of Virginia sack, big, strong arm, all that,
but I believe.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Blue Bruce Aris was the head coach at this point.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
So as we're pulling up to the stadium there in Glendale, Arizona,
I see him, Logan Thomas, standing outside where you kind
of go to check in through security through like the
back and you drive down this ramp and then down
back and do the where security is and the players
and media and so forth go in, and I'm like, Logan, what.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Are you doing?
Speaker 1 (36:22):
And the security guy it was like this might have
been a police officer. He stopped at me. He's like,
I don't have my parking pass. I can't get down there.
And I looked at the guy. I was like, dude,
he might be the starting quarterback today. I was like,
just get in the car. I was like, he's fine.
I was like, he's with us, here's our credentials. And
I was like and it was funny enough. The guy
was like, well, hold on a second. I was like, look, dude,
he's in the media guy. I literally passed him a
(36:43):
media guy and showed him a picture, and I was like, Logan,
why don't you just tell him your name? He was
like too humble to want to actually tell them who
he was, or maybe embarrassed, but he gave his parking
pass to his family, so we took him down.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
We dropped him off.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
He obviously just walked straight in and straight into the
locker and all that. He didn't end up starting that game,
but it was still every time I see him here,
but I'm always like, man, I just I would go
back to that rookie year for him.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
I better be glad it wasn't Valhalla. Guys, would have
been an Orge jumpsuit, will sir, mister Quinn, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Get out of the vehicle, get out, get into the vehicle. Yeah.
What else we got?
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Well, guys?
Speaker 6 (37:28):
An update here in case you missed this. The Jake
Paul Mike Tyson fight obviously will not face will not
face off July twentieth, after Tyson uh suffered ulcer flare up.
That's gonna be limiting his ability to train fully. So
Netflix has decided to push it back.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
They will not take Jake Paul's.
Speaker 6 (37:45):
Offer to fight fellow YouTube turnboxer KS one, but they
are making this happen, hopefully in the fourth quarter of
the year.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Yeah. Right, that's never going to happen. Then, I'm glad
Mike is rethinking it.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
Whether it's Mike's ulcer or whether it's his brain or
somebody he trusts. I'm glad this isn't going to happen,
even though I think he's rethinking.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
You don't think it's just a matter of his health condition.
It could be both. Yeah, I don't want I don't
want to be scared of.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
I don't think I don't I'm not gonna say scared
of and not in that that regard. I just think
he's he can tarnish himself more than he can help himself.
And if it's not about the money, then there's no
reason for him.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
To take that fight.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
What say, If it's about the money, then you know
you gotta take your chances.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
I guess.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
But man, I don't know that that's good money for
Mike Tyson.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
I don't know that. You never know. We'll have to
wait and see, I guess. So
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