October 28, 2024 • 37 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Jayden Daniels steals the show in week 8. The Browns are a drastically better team with Jameis Winston under center. The Chiefs remain undefeated despite Patrick Mahomes struggling. And who do you believe in, in the NFC?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It is the best of two pros and Lamar Arrington
rat Win and Jonas Knox on Box Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
And boy oh boy, lots of conversation to be had
around the NFL this week.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Commander the Commanders, the command the Bears. Yeah, that's uh, Look,
we won. The right team won that game. They won,
They won. The right team won that game.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Uh, the Bears had no business having an opportunity to
win that game. They were totally outplayed for three and
a half quarters and for some reason they thought they
were going to cheat death and then they.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Had the nerve to be tauntings. Oh God, just.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Can I ask this though, because you know, I didn't
play defense on a Hail Mary, but I.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
Mean, never his I don't believe his assignment.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Something that I watched was trying to explain to like, oh,
he should have been on Noah Brown. He wasn't tracking him.
I'm like, well, technically not. There was actually another defender
who was on Noah Brown who went in to try
to tip the ball as well, and then he left
Noah Brown wide open. Like I actually think in the end,
even with the taunting, it really didn't play an impact
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on that play. He was just a part of the
group going in there trying to tip the football. It
wasn't like his man was the one that ended up
catching it. It didn't look like that at least.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
You can never ever, ever, never, ever, ever, ever, ever
ever let an offensive player get behind you in a
Heil mayor ever. If there is one thing, you cannot
But it wasn't his guy. I don't know. I don't
give a good guys known whose guy it was. I'm
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saying defensively.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
Spake, I could Biden man was the one that caught it.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
I don't care whose man it was. As a defense,
you never ever let an offensive player get behind your
defense and a Heil Mary. Ever, I don't give a damn.
If I'm looking at Jonas as Jonas man, Oh, it's
Brady's man's Brady's mans Brady's man, I don't give a damn.
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Do not allow a receiver behind you on a Hail Mary.
And they did, and he was standing right there and
it popped right on out and he was there and
they lost.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Let's hear how it sounded courtesy of the Commander's Radio
network for me with the goal.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
Line, they bring free David's backing up. He's just gonna
have to let one fly goes to the right side.
That's the way problem the defenders give themselves some time now,
steps up fires heads towards the end zone.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
It is it's just I'll tell you that's so appropriate, man.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
I mean, you have no business with an opportunity to
win that game with when when six and a half
minutes left to go on a third and goal, you
decided to go full back dive to an offensive lineman
who had never rushed the football before, and you fumble
it like it was a clown show Tyreek Stevenson taunting
the fans and then being late to get back over there.
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Like the whole thing. They had no business being anywhere
a part of that game. They were totally outplayed. The
offense was terrible for majority of the game, and that's
exactly the that they deserved, Like there was no other
outcome that should have happened.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
They found a way to get they found a way
to get the lead, you know, they got it late
and they had the game won, Like there's no way
that should happen, but it did. And so I don't
know about the whole they shouldn't have deserved it or
all the things you're saying, But there's a would Prisco said,
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I was on the right side of that one. If
I bet on I bet on the Bears. I was
on the right side of that one. Somebody after that
one up.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, that's a brutal loss if you had the Bears, Like,
if you took the Bears, that's a that's a heartbreaker.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Jorce, didn't you take the Bears?
Speaker 3 (04:41):
No, hell no, not taking the Bears.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I think under Mattie Refleus, they're three and seventeen on
the road, so they just don't play well on the
road with him there as coach, not that you know listening.
Said some bad teams and they're much improved this year.
But yeah, that just did not look all that hot yesterday.
And Jaden Daniels, even with the ribbon all like totally
outplayed Kleb Williams and it just felt like offensively they
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were able to do more even though they had to
settle for field goals like a lot of those there
was ineligible men down field that were a little bit
suspect some of those calls. That game should have been
a lot worse than it actually turned out to be.
So congratulations to the commanders.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
How does that? How depressing is that locker room afterwards? Though,
Like on a game like that, on a loss like that, Tyreek.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
You're soul searching. The soul searching in plays like that.
You know, I've had one of those before and it's awful,
Like you kind of look around like you know, it's
not one thing, it's not that one play. But it's
hard at the end of the game not to feel
like that. And that's the hardest part for you know,
the Bears. They got to find a way to keep
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it together. Otherwise guys start pointing, the fingers starts being fractures.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Never a good sign.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Mm hmm. I just as somebody. I've gone through a
hell Mary lost before too. And it's crazy because they
didn't get it behind us, they got it in front
of us.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
We knocked it down, so you watched it happen right
in front of you.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
It was behind me, but it was in front of
our defenders that were there.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
What were you saying?
Speaker 3 (06:20):
What happened? And it was an Ohio guy that did it.
Thanks Brady's Ohio guy that knocked the ball down. Well,
it had to do with your state, and it was
I don't want to say his name. It's been and
I don't want to really relive it, but I'll tell
you Derek Fox, he knocked it down and I mean,
it's a great play, but some you know, guy slid
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underneath it, caught it. They got a time out and
they kicked the field goal and they beat us. And
that was Minnesota that that did that. It's never it's
it's one of the most empty feelings when you lose
a game that way. It's it is it just it
drains you of any type of feeling and the only
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emotion that you you have is just just upset. Just
just said, and upset when you lose a game that way.
So I don't know how it feels like this is
This is not the end of the world. It's it's
the NFL. So here we go again with games. Not
every single game is in a make or break game
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in the NFL. And and so they have to learn
from it. They have to learn from the disappointment of
allowing that to happen, and and and listen, it's a
team that has to continue to improve anyway. It's not
like they were this dominant team or they're on the
cusp of being good this team has a lot of
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work to do. Both teams have a lot of work
to do. In fact, So for for Washington, I mean,
this has got to be a feel good moment, but
they got to come away from that game understanding that
they got to play better. I mean that's ultimately you
could be happy about the win or you could be
terribly disappointed if you're on the other side of it.
But ultimately, coming out of that game, if I'm on
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any one of those teams, if I'm in any one
of those locker rooms, I think the message can consistently
across the board has to be we have to improve.
This Washington team is a top the nfseas they have
the opportunity to be If they improve, they have the
opportunity to be a possible contender in the postseason. They
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have to continue to build on that. Because that was
not against a Bears team. That's it's a fringe team.
They could be good or they could be bad. I
don't know which one they are just yet. I don't
lean towards good. I really don't. But with that being said,
that doesn't mean that that isn't what they are. So
if I'm the Washington Commanders. I'm looking at this game
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and I'm saying we stole one. We did steal one,
but that means that we have to continue to get
better because you don't want to be in a position
you got to try to steal games every week.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
Hey, LeVar, you texted something in our group chat h
T t R.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
I did try to say hell to the Redskins to.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
How does the song go?
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Yeah? You got it? Do we have the song about
the lyrics stuff? Are we allowed? Are we allowed to
play the Redskins fight song that I played for the team,
like we I'm just saying it's it's there you go,
that's it right there? Hell? This this the when we
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won or when we gotta touch down? Hell to the Commanders?
Hell Victor read great on War Bad. We're all DC.
Are you turn off right there? You turn it? That
kind of turned right there? You turn you can turn
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off right there.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
It kind of hits hard a little bit.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
You could?
Speaker 1 (10:08):
You know?
Speaker 3 (10:08):
We could play that again? Yeah we could if y'all
wanted to play Jaydon Daniels again, y'all can do because
I tell you now, you don't have to play it again.
Don't play it again. What I'm not drowning it out
this time. Jonas, you got it. No, you did it.
You run it there, you go to the lev Yeah yeah, yeah,
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I see what y'all doing.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
I see what y'all doing.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
I'll tell you what though, Jayde Daniels walking on water today.
I will tell y'all that I know that DC market.
If the fans are anything like in which I've been
seeing on social media, like crazy, they are in love
with Jayden Daniels. He can do no wrong now, Mary
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Bear Marrion Bear ain't got nothing on Jaydon Daniels to date,
no way, no, no, yeah, good for them. All he
has to do is make sure he shows a little
bit of love to the local radio stations, to the
local bands, if you know what I mean. Show some
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love and some appreciation for the music of the area.
You know, catch on to some go go bands and
make sure that they understand that your your love and
your affection for the city the district is genuine. It's
a rap. The flex worked out for CBS, though, did it?
Speaker 5 (11:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I mean that was a much better finishing game than
Eagles Mangles was.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Well, yeah, it was close for a minute. Then the
Eagles just absolutely shellack.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
That was rough. That was uh, you know, say that again.
The Eagles the Black.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
It was interesting watching the end of the one o'clock
games and a moment in time every single game was
like a two score difial, like it looked bad and
then like four or three minutes left in the fourth
qurt for all of them, Like Jacksonville came back, Houston
and in Napolis got crazy. I'm still not one hundred
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percent sure what the hell happened on that pitch play.
They got the fumble and then it was returned for
a touchdown, but they ended up calling it back like
that whole sequence of plays and everything else was like
this is wild.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I looked. I looked up at the screen. I'm like,
what happened? And guys running the other way?
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Yeah, right, Like what how that happened? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (12:46):
That was that's what we wanted.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
That we wanted all the finishes and that was It
was pretty fun to watch the end of that.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Yeah, it was. That was a fun day.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Congratulations to the to the commanders, I just want to
be clear on that, to the Washington commanders on the
big win deservedly so yesterday in DC.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
Are you raising your son to root for the Bears,
like your root for the Bears.
Speaker 7 (13:09):
No.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
I just it was important because I was watching that
game with him and my wife yesterday and I told
my wife, I said, this is the type of game
where right before the play, I said, this is how
it's going to end. These plays never work, and he's
gonna catch it. And the second and half he's going
to catch it. And I told I.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Told my son, oh, you're the reason they lost.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I told my son, I was like, this is what
it's going to be like, Like, this is what it's
going to be like the rest of your life.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
So just get used to it.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
You're gonna have your heart.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
Does your wife ever look at you and just go, well,
why do you keep riady for this team?
Speaker 3 (13:41):
No?
Speaker 2 (13:41):
I think she just likes the fact that, oh, at
least you know, it's entertaining, Like the losses don't don't
really affect her. She just thinks it's almost like comedy, like, ah,
that's a great show. It's like yeah, I mean, but
when you swim in this for thirty plus years, like
you just come to terms with the fact that, Okay,
then you got Bears fans on social media going. But
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there was a hold you know there was a hold
by the offensive lineman. Yeah, okay, they're gonna call a
hold there on a hail Mary attempt. They don't call
anything on hail Mary attempts bat the ball down and
it's not a conversation.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
But they didn't. And that's that's a story of how
it goes with them. So is what it is. Riverside.
Speaker 7 (14:25):
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Speaker 3 (14:39):
There was some interesting stuff that took place in the NFL. Yes,
a whole lot. Yeah, not as interesting as that. Wait,
you know what, not in the moment.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
How about this Okay, celebrating his birthday and his Super
Bowl pick.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
The Cleveland Browns get it done, Brady Quick?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Oh wow, there you baby, there, you Brownies are back.
See all you needed was a dose of jamis.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
I was just gonna say it's hard on Browns fans
where you watched what's seven weeks of football with Shaun Watson.
Jameis Winston comes in in one game and looks remarkably better,
and you think to yourself, this is what this team
could have been this year, and imagine the cap savings,
Imagine what else you could have done around the roster.
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As I said before, you know, watching the Kansasity Raiders game.
In Las Vegas Raiders game, I was saying to myself,
what the hell once you missed in the drafted some
not trade for Jamis. I just I look at some
of these organizations and the decisions that they make, and
you've got a guy who's led the league in yards
at one point, has proven to be capable of a leader,
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has played well in different stints, whether it's Tampa or
New Orleans, and we're watching other quarterbacks like Sam Darnold
go somewhere else and have success, Baker Mayfield goes somewhere
else and have success and not think the thing with
Jameis Winston, Like, I don't really understand the logic with
going into the season with Gardner Minshew at Adan O'Connell
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being like, oh, that's that's okay.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
I mean, that was a move they should have made.
I don't know why they didn't make it. You know,
the Browns, maybe they inquired maybe the Browns didn't want
to give them up because they knew Watson could get injured.
So whatever the case may be, the saddest thing is.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
That Browns fans are probably gonna watch the team that
looks much better with Jamis Winston as a starting quarterback
than what we saw with Deshaun Watson. And that was
just a one game sample size, but that was an
example of a player who played better than probably any
game at any point that Deshawn's played with the Browns
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jersey on. It's just it's crazy how this team has
a knack for finding a way of rallying around their quarterback.
But as we listened to some of the post game
remarks from Jameis Winston, it's easy to understand why they're
able to rally around the guy like this.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yeah, can we hear a little Jamis postgame please? Like
he has mastered this. Here was the the brand new
Browns quarterback.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
One play at a time.
Speaker 8 (17:11):
We fought, We gave everything that we could possibly give.
Thank you for the offensive line, thank you for the
defensive line of winning the trenches, and thank you for
the Browns fans for coming up and standing up and
helping us get a victory here at home. There's a
white boy from Detroit that I really admire.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Eminem.
Speaker 8 (17:28):
He said, you only get one shot, do not miss
a chance to blow this opportunity to last once.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
In a lifetime.
Speaker 8 (17:33):
And I know I gotta quote you know Eminem, he
from Detroit, He right up the road.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
But man, I'm just grateful.
Speaker 8 (17:37):
I'm grateful that the Lord provided me with this opportunity.
I'm grateful for my teammates, my coaches, and these amazing fans.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Did he just quote Eminem and reference him as the
white boy from Detroit. There's no way that this is real.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Like I think up top Jonas Hell, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Dude, he is quite possibly one of the most hilarious
and naturally hilarious human beings you'll ever meet. I love
that dude. I said it before, as we had in
the weekend. I was excited for him to get his
next shot and opportunity. I'm excited to see what they're
capable of. I mean, the game plan also by Ken
Dorsey was great and it led to them being able
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to get ahead. And obviously I have a chance of
beating a team that I think is still going to
win the division in Baltimore and maybe they go on
a you know, magical run and they can rip off
what they probably need ten nine wins in a row.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
But whatever the case is, it's.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
More fun watching this team led by Jameis Winston than
what we saw with Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
I still got to say to myself, I don't understand
how they win in such an improbable game to win.
I just I was that was my big shocker of
the day, Like that's great. Jamis had a great pregame
speech for for the guys like gotta believe and my
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all all about it, right, I'm all about it. I mean,
these guys needed something they could rally around, needed someone
they could rally around. You know, I don't I don't
particularly know what the relationship dynamic has been between Deshaun
Watson and and his teammates, but it clearly is a
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team that has struggled to have any type of success,
only having one win going into this game, and for
them to turn it around, just even for a moment,
like I don't know what the future holds for them.
Maybe they do continue to be good and they continue
to be better. I don't know, Maybe they don't all
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I know is is that they had won one game
and the moment, the moment Jamis came. Man. The way
this team rallied and played against one of the hottest teams.
That was one of the hottest teams, if not hottest
team in the NFL going into this game, balanced in
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every way on both sides of the ball, and they
matched up with them and beat them. That was not
a luck victory.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
They beat the Deshaun Watson through five touchdowns all year,
James threw three yesterday. Yeah, it's just wild, man. It's
like everybody that's played, except.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
We continue. We've had the conversation and I've thrown this out.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
It says this.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
It was the olders pick to sign them, okay, and
so here's where we are. The owners picked to keep
them in.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
And it's well it maybe, but either way, it just
goes to show you.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
I don't know that in most situations, when a team struggles,
loses games, someone's got to take the heat, someone's gotta
take the full I would imagine that nothing ends up happening.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
After the season for that very reason.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
It's because this staff, the front office, everyone involved is
probably sitting there saying, okay, like you really wanted us
to find a guy.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
We did.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
The whole Deshaun Watson thing wasn't really what we wanted,
but you wanted to get the deal done.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
We got it done. Hasn't worked out. So here's where
we are.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
We went to the playoffs last year with backups, where
we've got a chance of being a much better team
now that, as you'll see offensively with a backup, and
this is how good this team can potentially be with
competent and quarterback play. And so are you willing to
move on from them? Are you willing to try to
trade him and pay a strong portion of his salary?
Very similar to what we're seeing with the Denver Broncos
and the Pittsburgh Steelers, where really it's the Broncos who
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are paying for the lion's share the vast majority of
the moneies that were owed to Russell Wilson this year,
who's now starting for the Pittsburgh Steelers. That scenario could
potentially exist in some capacity. You know, they may not
have to necessarily cut him and eat all of it.
They might be able to trade him and get a
draft pick. I mean, maybe it's a low pick, whatever
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it is, Maybe they get something back, you know, and
return a conditional pick. But they're going to have to
pay a lot of moneies under that contract. So that's
what I think it speaks. But I would be remiss
because you brought up something LeVar about that game, the
ending in probability all that. Jim Donovan, the voice of
the Browns, a man who I got to know during
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my three years there, passed away recently and he spent
you know, he really was the voice of the Browns
since nineteen ninety nine when they came back, and you know,
since I've transitioned to the broadcasting profession, I had such
a great appreciation for Jim, even more so than when
I was there as a player, and he was one
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hell of a human being. You know, if you watch
Sunday Night Football, they did a tribute to him then,
as well as Chris Collinsworth had a chance to work
with Jim. But Jim was one of those people that
always continued to bring optimism, positivity at times where it
didn't really feel like there was much. And I thought
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he was a true professional. He was always a true friend.
I think anyone who has ever around him, and he'll
be sorely missed you know, I know Andrew Ciciliano and
Nathan Zagera filled in yesterday and they did as good
of a job as you possibly could in those moments,
and so it was an incredibly sad day. But I
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would like to believe that some of those you know, heroics,
some of those magical moments in.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
That game, there's maybe a little extra help from above.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
M Yeah, well said.
Speaker 7 (23:36):
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Speaker 2 (23:46):
I mean, like, if that place was crazy during the
Illinois game, what the hell is that place going to
be like.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
During It's going to be out of control. You're not
going to be able to hear yourself. Think, Bro, you're
all going to be there, right you?
Speaker 5 (24:04):
Yeah, like I said, everyone's there, yeah, us game day everyone.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Barstool wind up going.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
I mean, it's anything that covers college football will be there.
Do you have two presidential candidates so I believe are
going to be there, at least I've heard rumor rumors
that they are.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
I know one is going to be there. Why would
the other one be there? I'm not nuts. Why would
that happen? Uh, what do you mean which one did
you hear? I mean Trump is already there. He's already
he's already he's been campaigning. So that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
I think both are campaigning, and both are you know,
Gould potentially be there.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
That's all. That's at least what I've heard.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
So there's a part of me that hates the fact
that we've got to mix politics with one football.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
But I understand.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
I know the intent of what they're trying to do,
but it's like, let's make this about the game, not.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Who's at the game.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
You know. Yeah, I'm sure one side decide to do
it once they heard the other side was doing it,
which makes it a little bit weird to me.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Well, and to your point, I know for a fact
that the candidate you mentioned is going to be there.
I hadn't heard if it was confirmed that the vice president's.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Going to be there. So we'll see. All right, what
are you heading out there?
Speaker 9 (25:18):
Bar Friday? I'll be I'll leave Friday. And when you're
getting that LeVar Island in our hand, Yeah, you know
you want me. I was staying in Harrisburg because it's
a little cheaper. You know, there's nothing really available at
a decent price in State College this weekend.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
So but if you want me to come in, I'll
come in. I'll come in.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
I think the people want you to come in.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
I'm coming in on Saturday. I'm tailgate and make sure
you come to the Stick City tailgate. Right there I
Metler Park, Medler Field, where do the Spikes play.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Shouts out to the Spikes, Yeah, we've been there.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Come check your boy. Now. We do have elsewhere in
the world of football.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Because these are two of the top teams in college football,
the top team in the NFL. It's just not all
that fancy. But the Kansas City Chiefs just to continue
to get it done.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Seven and zero.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Not quite sure if Patrick Mahomes has played a great
game yet, but they take care of the Raiders yesterday,
and somehow, some.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Way, the Chiefs just keep on rolling. Man, just keep
hearing around.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
It's scary to think that we haven't seen the best
of Mahomes this year, and yet this is the result.
And I also think it underscores how good the defense
has been. I mean, not that the Raiders are an
offensive firepower, but still it's the NFL, and the defense
stepped up played well.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
They have all here.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Really, and the Detroit Lions. You know, it's great about Detroit.
They don't play with their food like there's no there's
no awe. Man, Well you listen this, We're gonna mail
it in this week because you know Tennessee stinks, like,
oh no, we're just going to bludge in them, and
we're going to bludge in the Cowboys and anybody else
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that we play.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Doesn't matter who it is. They're just destroying teams.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
And I don't know how the hell they lost to
Tampa Bay earlier in the year, but it's almost like
that was the wake up call for them to realize, no,
you guys are great. You're the best team in the NFC.
I don't know that it's even that close, and it
does feel like right now those two teams are by
far and away the best teams in the league, the
Lions and the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Far and away, I won't say far and away for
the Lions, far and away the best.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
I don't think there's anybody close in the NFC. I
don't know, man, I don't. I don't want to say
far and away. They've had their moments and they have
consistently competed at a high level, but far and away
the best.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Yeah, I'm not sure Tennessee playing with their backup quarterback
is going to be the game that you make that proclamation.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
Look, they're dominant.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
They they've played well so far, but you know, if
you start to throw in a healthy San Francisco forty
nine ers either way they look yesterday, started throwing some
of those other talented rosters, they could be challenged by them.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
I mean, in Minnesota that was a tight end.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
But I'd say just in just in their own division,
like just within the North, I wouldn't say that it's
just far and away they're better. I think they're going
to have They really are going to have to fight
to stay at a at a high level where they're at.
I just feel like the NFC, the NFC is a
week to week division. It's a week to week division.
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Now with the Chiefs. The only reason why I will
agree and say far and away with the Chiefs is
because they've this is an established way of how they're
winning this year with the idea that they are the returning,
you know, super Bowl champs. So I'll say far and away,
I guess, but I don't. I don't. I really don't
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even want to say far and away for the Chiefs either,
to be honest, Like, I'll just say that they have
found a way to win and win ugly, while we've
gotten used to seeing them win in such an emphatic
fashion in the history of them winning. So that to me,
I heard you say scary, it's scary to think that
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they're they're winning and Patrick Mahomes hasn't played his best football.
That's what's scary is that they actually haven't played well
enough where you could actually say they're far and away
just way better than everyone else. That makes it scarier
that they haven't been that they have been winning ugly,
that they have had the fight to win these games.
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Because if they do put it together and Patrick Mahomes
starts to play his best football and this team starts
to play their best football, that's where it's going to
Just like, where where do we go from there? Like
is it a foregone conclusion that everybody else is just
playing for runner up? But in the NFC, I just
feel like in NFC, that is the division that is
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wide open. I have no idea who is going to
at the end emerge from the NFC. I really don't
like Baltimore took it on the chin in the AFC yesterday,
but I thought they were the hottest team. Buffalo is
quietly being some dogs out here. That's the one right there,
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Buffalo is quietly just being dogs out That the one?
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Or is that like a Seattle what they've been all yet? Well,
it's like every other week you don't know who the
hell they are.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
They're they're running away with the division, the AFC East
is and it's almost like now they're playing for I mean,
if Kansas City would just do them a favor and
lose a game, maybe they could get a bye. But
it just it feels like Josh Allen's playing some of
the best football of his career. Amari Cooper just got there,
so they'll slowly work him into the offense and all that.
I just I look at Buffalo and I go, that
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feels like if you're going to pick a next best team.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
I'd be nervous. If I'm in the AFC, I'd be
nervous about the Buffalo Bills. I'd be nervous about them.
That's the team that you look ats like, all right,
they're not the Chiefs. They're not the Chiefs. The Chiefs
are continuing to be the Chiefs. The Chiefs are the Chiefs,
the Chiefs, Chief Chief Chiefs. Buffalo is like sitting right
there and it's like, I don't know, man, where you thought.
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I thought that they had hit their ceiling. I thought
that this was a team that might start to you
see that that window close and maybe they're not as
dominant or going in the right direction that they've been
going in. They might be better this year than what
they have been during the course of time of them
making their statements to be the better team and or
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best team in the AFC. This might be that year,
Like that's how they're playing bout time. Man, it might
be it might be their year. Yeah, I just I
don't know, man.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
I think the NFC looking at it right now, I'll
take my chances with Detroit right now, Detroit or the field.
I'll take the Lions in the NFC. You guys can wow, Okay, yeah,
take everybody else.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
I'll take the Lions. I'm telling they might not even
get out of the North. Somebody else might win the North,
let alone them coming out of the NFC, which I
do have them coming out of the NFC. I'm just
saying I don't think they're far and away the most
dominant team in the division. They're there. I believe that
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they are the top team in the division, and I
think that it's going to rear its ugly head on
them not having one of their premier players. I just
don't know when. Hey, but how about.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Malik Willis, Man the guy gets was he they acquired
him from Tennessee and he was just sort of kind
of cast off as well. Listen, you know there's not
room for him here. We're gonna go will Levis and
Mason Rudolph and all that. He gets to Green Bay
like right before the.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
Season better than Will Levis the season, and he doesn't
want to hear that.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
No, and he has to step in for Jordan Love,
who was dealing with the groin issue yesterday that Matt
Laflor said is highly concerning, and you know it helps
lead them to victory again. So Malik Willis finds his
spot in Green Bay and the Packers are sitting at
six and two, so they're they're right behind the Detroit
Lions as well too. But now we have to wait
to see what's going on with Jordan Love in the
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Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
But again, you're you're reassured that they've got a comparable
backup thing come and help you win football games.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
I mean kind of.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
Almost every team. I mean, think about Jameis Winston came
in got to win. You look at Anthony Richardson took
himself out of a game and just tired, Like this
is a league that's now been built to the point
where between injuries to quarterbacks, uh, maybe fatigue in the
case of Anthony Richardson, you better have a backup that
you feel good about being able to come in and
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help you win a football game or a series of
football games. Otherwise you're not gonna be able to contend.
It's just it's seldom guys were able to make it
through the entirety.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
Of a season.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Okay, where does that land with you? Guys?
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Anthony Richardson saying afterwards he took himself out of the
game because he was tired, I've.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
Never heard that, never heard quarterback ever.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
I've never heard it from I mean, you can hear
it from players where they tap out because they need
a blow and stuff like that. But you know, I
don't know, I don't know how to react that, to
be honest, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
Because I mean he's different though too in the manner
they use him. But I think Lamar's never never has
to come out of a game, and he's run as
much as anyone, and in today's game, he's always continued
to be in there. So I like Kyler Murray, Cayler
Murray taping himself out.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
So he is clearly a drag racing car. Bro. That's
a quartermouth, quartermoule car running quarterback.
Speaker 8 (34:50):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
He ain't tapping out. Just slow up, slow up to play,
like use your play clock.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
I've never seen that before in my life.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Yeah, used the play I mean, I just so here
was Anthony Richardson discussing it afterwards.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
That's all right.
Speaker 8 (35:08):
That was a lot of runner up there all I did,
and I don't think I was gonna be able to
go that next place, so I just, uh, you know,
I just told saying you needed a break right there.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
I do appreciate the honesty, you know, to like, you know,
come up with something like you know.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Just these new age, these new age, different different bro there's.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
Like unwritten rules that they don't know about or they
don't live by anymore.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
And it's it's a little disappointing because there are certain
things you just you never did or you wouldn't do,
and maybe in some cases it's it's it's good. I'm
not sure I can think of any but I look
at it and just go, uh, yeah, I'm not sure
how I feel about this.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
I mean, you know, he could listally, he could have
be esked it. You know, he could have done something
to lie about it, but he was. He was a
stand up guy and he he told the truth. And
now I just wonder how his teammates feel about that,
you know, if they're looking at him giving him the
sidey Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Because of that.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
So that was fun. He truly is the wild card.
I think you might have made this comp I think
maybe earlier this season. But when we had the discussion
about Anthony Richardson, and it was like, man, when Josh
Allen first got into the league, you didn't know if
you were going to get a pick six going ninety
the other way or a ninety yard touchdown in his favor.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
Still set Richardson his skill set most was most similar
recently least to Josh Allen and the concerns about accuracy,
the concerns about he's got a howitzer for an arm.
He's an incredible athlete, but there are some accuracy issues
and some other things that you're concerned by. And I
think the difference is Josh Allen was able to obviously,
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over time, over the first three years using the NFL,
cleaned up some things fundamentally become a more accurate passer. Now,
I don't know that he's done a better job of
protecting himself. He's been you know, less banged up or
beaten up than Anthony Richardson has. So there's a there's
a learning curve to this. But again, if Josh Allen
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can do it, so can Anthony Richardson. It's just a
matter of him being able to make those adjustments in game,
which is tough to do when you're accustomed to you know, reacting,
taking off, running, trying to take a dude on and
you know, bulldozed through them.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
That just that doesn't work in the NFL.
It is the best of two pros and Lamar Arrington
rat Win and Jonas Knox on Box Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
And boy oh boy, lots of conversation to be had
around the NFL this week.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Commander the Commanders, the command the Bears. Yeah, that's uh, Look,
we won. The right team won that game. They won,
They won. The right team won that game.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Uh, the Bears had no business having an opportunity to
win that game. They were totally outplayed for three and
a half quarters and for some reason they thought they
were going to cheat death and then they.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Had the nerve to be tauntings. Oh God, just.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Can I ask this though, because you know, I didn't
play defense on a Hail Mary, but I.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
Mean, never his I don't believe his assignment.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Something that I watched was trying to explain to like, oh,
he should have been on Noah Brown. He wasn't tracking him.
I'm like, well, technically not. There was actually another defender
who was on Noah Brown who went in to try
to tip the ball as well, and then he left
Noah Brown wide open. Like I actually think in the end,
even with the taunting, it really didn't play an impact
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on that play. He was just a part of the
group going in there trying to tip the football. It
wasn't like his man was the one that ended up
catching it. It didn't look like that at least.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
You can never ever, ever, never, ever, ever, ever, ever
ever let an offensive player get behind you in a
Heil mayor ever. If there is one thing, you cannot
But it wasn't his guy. I don't know. I don't
give a good guys known whose guy it was. I'm
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saying defensively.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
Spake, I could Biden man was the one that caught it.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
I don't care whose man it was. As a defense,
you never ever let an offensive player get behind your
defense and a Heil Mary. Ever, I don't give a damn.
If I'm looking at Jonas as Jonas man, Oh, it's
Brady's man's Brady's mans Brady's man, I don't give a damn.
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Do not allow a receiver behind you on a Hail Mary.
And they did, and he was standing right there and
it popped right on out and he was there and
they lost.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Let's hear how it sounded courtesy of the Commander's Radio
network for me with the goal.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
Line, they bring free David's backing up. He's just gonna
have to let one fly goes to the right side.
That's the way problem the defenders give themselves some time now,
steps up fires heads towards the end zone.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
It is it's just I'll tell you that's so appropriate, man.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
I mean, you have no business with an opportunity to
win that game with when when six and a half
minutes left to go on a third and goal, you
decided to go full back dive to an offensive lineman
who had never rushed the football before, and you fumble
it like it was a clown show Tyreek Stevenson taunting
the fans and then being late to get back over there.
(03:48):
Like the whole thing. They had no business being anywhere
a part of that game. They were totally outplayed. The
offense was terrible for majority of the game, and that's
exactly the that they deserved, Like there was no other
outcome that should have happened.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
They found a way to get they found a way
to get the lead, you know, they got it late
and they had the game won, Like there's no way
that should happen, but it did. And so I don't
know about the whole they shouldn't have deserved it or
all the things you're saying, But there's a would Prisco said,
(04:25):
I was on the right side of that one. If
I bet on I bet on the Bears. I was
on the right side of that one. Somebody after that
one up.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, that's a brutal loss if you had the Bears, Like,
if you took the Bears, that's a that's a heartbreaker.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Jorce, didn't you take the Bears?
Speaker 3 (04:41):
No, hell no, not taking the Bears.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I think under Mattie Refleus, they're three and seventeen on
the road, so they just don't play well on the
road with him there as coach, not that you know listening.
Said some bad teams and they're much improved this year.
But yeah, that just did not look all that hot yesterday.
And Jaden Daniels, even with the ribbon all like totally
outplayed Kleb Williams and it just felt like offensively they
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were able to do more even though they had to
settle for field goals like a lot of those there
was ineligible men down field that were a little bit
suspect some of those calls. That game should have been
a lot worse than it actually turned out to be.
So congratulations to the commanders.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
How does that? How depressing is that locker room afterwards? Though,
Like on a game like that, on a loss like that, Tyreek.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
You're soul searching. The soul searching in plays like that.
You know, I've had one of those before and it's awful,
Like you kind of look around like you know, it's
not one thing, it's not that one play. But it's
hard at the end of the game not to feel
like that. And that's the hardest part for you know,
the Bears. They got to find a way to keep
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it together. Otherwise guys start pointing, the fingers starts being fractures.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Never a good sign.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Mm hmm. I just as somebody. I've gone through a
hell Mary lost before too. And it's crazy because they
didn't get it behind us, they got it in front
of us.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
We knocked it down, so you watched it happen right
in front of you.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
It was behind me, but it was in front of
our defenders that were there.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
What were you saying?
Speaker 3 (06:20):
What happened? And it was an Ohio guy that did it.
Thanks Brady's Ohio guy that knocked the ball down. Well,
it had to do with your state, and it was
I don't want to say his name. It's been and
I don't want to really relive it, but I'll tell
you Derek Fox, he knocked it down and I mean,
it's a great play, but some you know, guy slid
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underneath it, caught it. They got a time out and
they kicked the field goal and they beat us. And
that was Minnesota that that did that. It's never it's
it's one of the most empty feelings when you lose
a game that way. It's it is it just it
drains you of any type of feeling and the only
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emotion that you you have is just just upset. Just
just said, and upset when you lose a game that way.
So I don't know how it feels like this is
This is not the end of the world. It's it's
the NFL. So here we go again with games. Not
every single game is in a make or break game
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in the NFL. And and so they have to learn
from it. They have to learn from the disappointment of
allowing that to happen, and and and listen, it's a
team that has to continue to improve anyway. It's not
like they were this dominant team or they're on the
cusp of being good this team has a lot of
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work to do. Both teams have a lot of work
to do. In fact, So for for Washington, I mean,
this has got to be a feel good moment, but
they got to come away from that game understanding that
they got to play better. I mean that's ultimately you
could be happy about the win or you could be
terribly disappointed if you're on the other side of it.
But ultimately, coming out of that game, if I'm on
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any one of those teams, if I'm in any one
of those locker rooms, I think the message can consistently
across the board has to be we have to improve.
This Washington team is a top the nfseas they have
the opportunity to be If they improve, they have the
opportunity to be a possible contender in the postseason. They
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have to continue to build on that. Because that was
not against a Bears team. That's it's a fringe team.
They could be good or they could be bad. I
don't know which one they are just yet. I don't
lean towards good. I really don't. But with that being said,
that doesn't mean that that isn't what they are. So
if I'm the Washington Commanders. I'm looking at this game
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and I'm saying we stole one. We did steal one,
but that means that we have to continue to get
better because you don't want to be in a position
you got to try to steal games every week.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
Hey, LeVar, you texted something in our group chat h
T t R.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
I did try to say hell to the Redskins to.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
How does the song go?
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Yeah? You got it? Do we have the song about
the lyrics stuff? Are we allowed? Are we allowed to
play the Redskins fight song that I played for the team,
like we I'm just saying it's it's there you go,
that's it right there? Hell? This this the when we
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won or when we gotta touch down? Hell to the Commanders?
Hell Victor read great on War Bad. We're all DC.
Are you turn off right there? You turn it? That
kind of turned right there? You turn you can turn
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off right there.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
It kind of hits hard a little bit.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
You could?
Speaker 1 (10:08):
You know?
Speaker 3 (10:08):
We could play that again? Yeah we could if y'all
wanted to play Jaydon Daniels again, y'all can do because
I tell you now, you don't have to play it again.
Don't play it again. What I'm not drowning it out
this time. Jonas, you got it. No, you did it.
You run it there, you go to the lev Yeah yeah, yeah,
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I see what y'all doing.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
I see what y'all doing.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
I'll tell you what though, Jayde Daniels walking on water today.
I will tell y'all that I know that DC market.
If the fans are anything like in which I've been
seeing on social media, like crazy, they are in love
with Jayden Daniels. He can do no wrong now, Mary
(11:00):
Bear Marrion Bear ain't got nothing on Jaydon Daniels to date,
no way, no, no, yeah, good for them. All he
has to do is make sure he shows a little
bit of love to the local radio stations, to the
local bands, if you know what I mean. Show some
(11:23):
love and some appreciation for the music of the area.
You know, catch on to some go go bands and
make sure that they understand that your your love and
your affection for the city the district is genuine. It's
a rap. The flex worked out for CBS, though, did it?
Speaker 5 (11:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I mean that was a much better finishing game than
Eagles Mangles was.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Well, yeah, it was close for a minute. Then the
Eagles just absolutely shellack.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
That was rough. That was uh, you know, say that again.
The Eagles the Black.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
It was interesting watching the end of the one o'clock
games and a moment in time every single game was
like a two score difial, like it looked bad and
then like four or three minutes left in the fourth
qurt for all of them, Like Jacksonville came back, Houston
and in Napolis got crazy. I'm still not one hundred
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percent sure what the hell happened on that pitch play.
They got the fumble and then it was returned for
a touchdown, but they ended up calling it back like
that whole sequence of plays and everything else was like
this is wild.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I looked. I looked up at the screen. I'm like,
what happened? And guys running the other way?
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Yeah, right, Like what how that happened? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (12:46):
That was that's what we wanted.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
That we wanted all the finishes and that was It
was pretty fun to watch the end of that.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Yeah, it was. That was a fun day.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Congratulations to the to the commanders, I just want to
be clear on that, to the Washington commanders on the
big win deservedly so yesterday in DC.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
Are you raising your son to root for the Bears,
like your root for the Bears.
Speaker 7 (13:09):
No.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
I just it was important because I was watching that
game with him and my wife yesterday and I told
my wife, I said, this is the type of game
where right before the play, I said, this is how
it's going to end. These plays never work, and he's
gonna catch it. And the second and half he's going
to catch it. And I told I.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Told my son, oh, you're the reason they lost.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I told my son, I was like, this is what
it's going to be like, Like, this is what it's
going to be like the rest of your life.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
So just get used to it.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
You're gonna have your heart.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
Does your wife ever look at you and just go, well,
why do you keep riady for this team?
Speaker 3 (13:41):
No?
Speaker 2 (13:41):
I think she just likes the fact that, oh, at
least you know, it's entertaining, Like the losses don't don't
really affect her. She just thinks it's almost like comedy, like, ah,
that's a great show. It's like yeah, I mean, but
when you swim in this for thirty plus years, like
you just come to terms with the fact that, Okay,
then you got Bears fans on social media going. But
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there was a hold you know there was a hold
by the offensive lineman. Yeah, okay, they're gonna call a
hold there on a hail Mary attempt. They don't call
anything on hail Mary attempts bat the ball down and
it's not a conversation.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
But they didn't. And that's that's a story of how
it goes with them. So is what it is. Riverside.
Speaker 7 (14:25):
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Speaker 3 (14:39):
There was some interesting stuff that took place in the NFL. Yes,
a whole lot. Yeah, not as interesting as that. Wait,
you know what, not in the moment.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
How about this Okay, celebrating his birthday and his Super
Bowl pick.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
The Cleveland Browns get it done, Brady Quick?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Oh wow, there you baby, there, you Brownies are back.
See all you needed was a dose of jamis.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
I was just gonna say it's hard on Browns fans
where you watched what's seven weeks of football with Shaun Watson.
Jameis Winston comes in in one game and looks remarkably better,
and you think to yourself, this is what this team
could have been this year, and imagine the cap savings,
Imagine what else you could have done around the roster.
(15:25):
As I said before, you know, watching the Kansasity Raiders game.
In Las Vegas Raiders game, I was saying to myself,
what the hell once you missed in the drafted some
not trade for Jamis. I just I look at some
of these organizations and the decisions that they make, and
you've got a guy who's led the league in yards
at one point, has proven to be capable of a leader,
(15:47):
has played well in different stints, whether it's Tampa or
New Orleans, and we're watching other quarterbacks like Sam Darnold
go somewhere else and have success, Baker Mayfield goes somewhere
else and have success and not think the thing with
Jameis Winston, Like, I don't really understand the logic with
going into the season with Gardner Minshew at Adan O'Connell
(16:08):
being like, oh, that's that's okay.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
I mean, that was a move they should have made.
I don't know why they didn't make it. You know,
the Browns, maybe they inquired maybe the Browns didn't want
to give them up because they knew Watson could get injured.
So whatever the case may be, the saddest thing is.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
That Browns fans are probably gonna watch the team that
looks much better with Jamis Winston as a starting quarterback
than what we saw with Deshaun Watson. And that was
just a one game sample size, but that was an
example of a player who played better than probably any
game at any point that Deshawn's played with the Browns
(16:46):
jersey on. It's just it's crazy how this team has
a knack for finding a way of rallying around their quarterback.
But as we listened to some of the post game
remarks from Jameis Winston, it's easy to understand why they're
able to rally around the guy like this.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yeah, can we hear a little Jamis postgame please? Like
he has mastered this. Here was the the brand new
Browns quarterback.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
One play at a time.
Speaker 8 (17:11):
We fought, We gave everything that we could possibly give.
Thank you for the offensive line, thank you for the
defensive line of winning the trenches, and thank you for
the Browns fans for coming up and standing up and
helping us get a victory here at home. There's a
white boy from Detroit that I really admire.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Eminem.
Speaker 8 (17:28):
He said, you only get one shot, do not miss
a chance to blow this opportunity to last once.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
In a lifetime.
Speaker 8 (17:33):
And I know I gotta quote you know Eminem, he
from Detroit, He right up the road.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
But man, I'm just grateful.
Speaker 8 (17:37):
I'm grateful that the Lord provided me with this opportunity.
I'm grateful for my teammates, my coaches, and these amazing fans.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Did he just quote Eminem and reference him as the
white boy from Detroit. There's no way that this is real.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Like I think up top Jonas Hell, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Dude, he is quite possibly one of the most hilarious
and naturally hilarious human beings you'll ever meet. I love
that dude. I said it before, as we had in
the weekend. I was excited for him to get his
next shot and opportunity. I'm excited to see what they're
capable of. I mean, the game plan also by Ken
Dorsey was great and it led to them being able
(18:22):
to get ahead. And obviously I have a chance of
beating a team that I think is still going to
win the division in Baltimore and maybe they go on
a you know, magical run and they can rip off
what they probably need ten nine wins in a row.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
But whatever the case is, it's.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
More fun watching this team led by Jameis Winston than
what we saw with Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
I still got to say to myself, I don't understand
how they win in such an improbable game to win.
I just I was that was my big shocker of
the day, Like that's great. Jamis had a great pregame
speech for for the guys like gotta believe and my
(19:09):
all all about it, right, I'm all about it. I mean,
these guys needed something they could rally around, needed someone
they could rally around. You know, I don't I don't
particularly know what the relationship dynamic has been between Deshaun
Watson and and his teammates, but it clearly is a
(19:29):
team that has struggled to have any type of success,
only having one win going into this game, and for
them to turn it around, just even for a moment,
like I don't know what the future holds for them.
Maybe they do continue to be good and they continue
to be better. I don't know, Maybe they don't all
(19:51):
I know is is that they had won one game
and the moment, the moment Jamis came. Man. The way
this team rallied and played against one of the hottest teams.
That was one of the hottest teams, if not hottest
team in the NFL going into this game, balanced in
(20:13):
every way on both sides of the ball, and they
matched up with them and beat them. That was not
a luck victory.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
They beat the Deshaun Watson through five touchdowns all year,
James threw three yesterday. Yeah, it's just wild, man. It's
like everybody that's played, except.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
We continue. We've had the conversation and I've thrown this out.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
It says this.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
It was the olders pick to sign them, okay, and
so here's where we are. The owners picked to keep
them in.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
And it's well it maybe, but either way, it just
goes to show you.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
I don't know that in most situations, when a team struggles,
loses games, someone's got to take the heat, someone's gotta
take the full I would imagine that nothing ends up happening.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
After the season for that very reason.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
It's because this staff, the front office, everyone involved is
probably sitting there saying, okay, like you really wanted us
to find a guy.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
We did.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
The whole Deshaun Watson thing wasn't really what we wanted,
but you wanted to get the deal done.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
We got it done. Hasn't worked out. So here's where
we are.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
We went to the playoffs last year with backups, where
we've got a chance of being a much better team
now that, as you'll see offensively with a backup, and
this is how good this team can potentially be with
competent and quarterback play. And so are you willing to
move on from them? Are you willing to try to
trade him and pay a strong portion of his salary?
Very similar to what we're seeing with the Denver Broncos
and the Pittsburgh Steelers, where really it's the Broncos who
(21:42):
are paying for the lion's share the vast majority of
the moneies that were owed to Russell Wilson this year,
who's now starting for the Pittsburgh Steelers. That scenario could
potentially exist in some capacity. You know, they may not
have to necessarily cut him and eat all of it.
They might be able to trade him and get a
draft pick. I mean, maybe it's a low pick, whatever
(22:03):
it is, Maybe they get something back, you know, and
return a conditional pick. But they're going to have to
pay a lot of moneies under that contract. So that's
what I think it speaks. But I would be remiss
because you brought up something LeVar about that game, the
ending in probability all that. Jim Donovan, the voice of
the Browns, a man who I got to know during
(22:25):
my three years there, passed away recently and he spent
you know, he really was the voice of the Browns
since nineteen ninety nine when they came back, and you know,
since I've transitioned to the broadcasting profession, I had such
a great appreciation for Jim, even more so than when
I was there as a player, and he was one
(22:46):
hell of a human being. You know, if you watch
Sunday Night Football, they did a tribute to him then,
as well as Chris Collinsworth had a chance to work
with Jim. But Jim was one of those people that
always continued to bring optimism, positivity at times where it
didn't really feel like there was much. And I thought
(23:06):
he was a true professional. He was always a true friend.
I think anyone who has ever around him, and he'll
be sorely missed you know, I know Andrew Ciciliano and
Nathan Zagera filled in yesterday and they did as good
of a job as you possibly could in those moments,
and so it was an incredibly sad day. But I
(23:26):
would like to believe that some of those you know, heroics,
some of those magical moments in.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
That game, there's maybe a little extra help from above.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
M Yeah, well said.
Speaker 7 (23:36):
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Speaker 2 (23:46):
I mean, like, if that place was crazy during the
Illinois game, what the hell is that place going to
be like.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
During It's going to be out of control. You're not
going to be able to hear yourself. Think, Bro, you're
all going to be there, right you?
Speaker 5 (24:04):
Yeah, like I said, everyone's there, yeah, us game day everyone.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Barstool wind up going.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
I mean, it's anything that covers college football will be there.
Do you have two presidential candidates so I believe are
going to be there, at least I've heard rumor rumors
that they are.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
I know one is going to be there. Why would
the other one be there? I'm not nuts. Why would
that happen? Uh, what do you mean which one did
you hear? I mean Trump is already there. He's already
he's already he's been campaigning. So that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
I think both are campaigning, and both are you know,
Gould potentially be there.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
That's all. That's at least what I've heard.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
So there's a part of me that hates the fact
that we've got to mix politics with one football.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
But I understand.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
I know the intent of what they're trying to do,
but it's like, let's make this about the game, not.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Who's at the game.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
You know. Yeah, I'm sure one side decide to do
it once they heard the other side was doing it,
which makes it a little bit weird to me.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Well, and to your point, I know for a fact
that the candidate you mentioned is going to be there.
I hadn't heard if it was confirmed that the vice president's.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Going to be there. So we'll see. All right, what
are you heading out there?
Speaker 9 (25:18):
Bar Friday? I'll be I'll leave Friday. And when you're
getting that LeVar Island in our hand, Yeah, you know
you want me. I was staying in Harrisburg because it's
a little cheaper. You know, there's nothing really available at
a decent price in State College this weekend.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
So but if you want me to come in, I'll
come in. I'll come in.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
I think the people want you to come in.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
I'm coming in on Saturday. I'm tailgate and make sure
you come to the Stick City tailgate. Right there I
Metler Park, Medler Field, where do the Spikes play.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Shouts out to the Spikes, Yeah, we've been there.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Come check your boy. Now. We do have elsewhere in
the world of football.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Because these are two of the top teams in college football,
the top team in the NFL. It's just not all
that fancy. But the Kansas City Chiefs just to continue
to get it done.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Seven and zero.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Not quite sure if Patrick Mahomes has played a great
game yet, but they take care of the Raiders yesterday,
and somehow, some.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Way, the Chiefs just keep on rolling. Man, just keep
hearing around.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
It's scary to think that we haven't seen the best
of Mahomes this year, and yet this is the result.
And I also think it underscores how good the defense
has been. I mean, not that the Raiders are an
offensive firepower, but still it's the NFL, and the defense
stepped up played well.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
They have all here.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Really, and the Detroit Lions. You know, it's great about Detroit.
They don't play with their food like there's no there's
no awe. Man, Well you listen this, We're gonna mail
it in this week because you know Tennessee stinks, like,
oh no, we're just going to bludge in them, and
we're going to bludge in the Cowboys and anybody else
(27:04):
that we play.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Doesn't matter who it is. They're just destroying teams.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
And I don't know how the hell they lost to
Tampa Bay earlier in the year, but it's almost like
that was the wake up call for them to realize, no,
you guys are great. You're the best team in the NFC.
I don't know that it's even that close, and it
does feel like right now those two teams are by
far and away the best teams in the league, the
Lions and the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Far and away, I won't say far and away for
the Lions, far and away the best.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
I don't think there's anybody close in the NFC. I
don't know, man, I don't. I don't want to say
far and away. They've had their moments and they have
consistently competed at a high level, but far and away
the best.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Yeah, I'm not sure Tennessee playing with their backup quarterback
is going to be the game that you make that proclamation.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
Look, they're dominant.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
They they've played well so far, but you know, if
you start to throw in a healthy San Francisco forty
nine ers either way they look yesterday, started throwing some
of those other talented rosters, they could be challenged by them.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
I mean, in Minnesota that was a tight end.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
But I'd say just in just in their own division,
like just within the North, I wouldn't say that it's
just far and away they're better. I think they're going
to have They really are going to have to fight
to stay at a at a high level where they're at.
I just feel like the NFC, the NFC is a
week to week division. It's a week to week division.
(28:29):
Now with the Chiefs. The only reason why I will
agree and say far and away with the Chiefs is
because they've this is an established way of how they're
winning this year with the idea that they are the returning,
you know, super Bowl champs. So I'll say far and away,
I guess, but I don't. I don't. I really don't
(28:51):
even want to say far and away for the Chiefs either,
to be honest, Like, I'll just say that they have
found a way to win and win ugly, while we've
gotten used to seeing them win in such an emphatic
fashion in the history of them winning. So that to me,
I heard you say scary, it's scary to think that
(29:13):
they're they're winning and Patrick Mahomes hasn't played his best football.
That's what's scary is that they actually haven't played well
enough where you could actually say they're far and away
just way better than everyone else. That makes it scarier
that they haven't been that they have been winning ugly,
that they have had the fight to win these games.
(29:35):
Because if they do put it together and Patrick Mahomes
starts to play his best football and this team starts
to play their best football, that's where it's going to
Just like, where where do we go from there? Like
is it a foregone conclusion that everybody else is just
playing for runner up? But in the NFC, I just
feel like in NFC, that is the division that is
(29:56):
wide open. I have no idea who is going to
at the end emerge from the NFC. I really don't
like Baltimore took it on the chin in the AFC yesterday,
but I thought they were the hottest team. Buffalo is
quietly being some dogs out here. That's the one right there,
(30:18):
Buffalo is quietly just being dogs out That the one?
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Or is that like a Seattle what they've been all yet? Well,
it's like every other week you don't know who the
hell they are.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
They're they're running away with the division, the AFC East
is and it's almost like now they're playing for I mean,
if Kansas City would just do them a favor and
lose a game, maybe they could get a bye. But
it just it feels like Josh Allen's playing some of
the best football of his career. Amari Cooper just got there,
so they'll slowly work him into the offense and all that.
I just I look at Buffalo and I go, that
(30:52):
feels like if you're going to pick a next best team.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
I'd be nervous. If I'm in the AFC, I'd be
nervous about the Buffalo Bills. I'd be nervous about them.
That's the team that you look ats like, all right,
they're not the Chiefs. They're not the Chiefs. The Chiefs
are continuing to be the Chiefs. The Chiefs are the Chiefs,
the Chiefs, Chief Chief Chiefs. Buffalo is like sitting right
there and it's like, I don't know, man, where you thought.
(31:18):
I thought that they had hit their ceiling. I thought
that this was a team that might start to you
see that that window close and maybe they're not as
dominant or going in the right direction that they've been
going in. They might be better this year than what
they have been during the course of time of them
making their statements to be the better team and or
(31:41):
best team in the AFC. This might be that year,
Like that's how they're playing bout time. Man, it might
be it might be their year. Yeah, I just I
don't know, man.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
I think the NFC looking at it right now, I'll
take my chances with Detroit right now, Detroit or the field.
I'll take the Lions in the NFC. You guys can wow, Okay, yeah,
take everybody else.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
I'll take the Lions. I'm telling they might not even
get out of the North. Somebody else might win the North,
let alone them coming out of the NFC, which I
do have them coming out of the NFC. I'm just
saying I don't think they're far and away the most
dominant team in the division. They're there. I believe that
(32:28):
they are the top team in the division, and I
think that it's going to rear its ugly head on
them not having one of their premier players. I just
don't know when. Hey, but how about.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Malik Willis, Man the guy gets was he they acquired
him from Tennessee and he was just sort of kind
of cast off as well. Listen, you know there's not
room for him here. We're gonna go will Levis and
Mason Rudolph and all that. He gets to Green Bay
like right before the.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
Season better than Will Levis the season, and he doesn't
want to hear that.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
No, and he has to step in for Jordan Love,
who was dealing with the groin issue yesterday that Matt
Laflor said is highly concerning, and you know it helps
lead them to victory again. So Malik Willis finds his
spot in Green Bay and the Packers are sitting at
six and two, so they're they're right behind the Detroit
Lions as well too. But now we have to wait
to see what's going on with Jordan Love in the
(33:24):
Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
But again, you're you're reassured that they've got a comparable
backup thing come and help you win football games.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
I mean kind of.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
Almost every team. I mean, think about Jameis Winston came
in got to win. You look at Anthony Richardson took
himself out of a game and just tired, Like this
is a league that's now been built to the point
where between injuries to quarterbacks, uh, maybe fatigue in the
case of Anthony Richardson, you better have a backup that
you feel good about being able to come in and
(33:53):
help you win a football game or a series of
football games. Otherwise you're not gonna be able to contend.
It's just it's seldom guys were able to make it
through the entirety.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
Of a season.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Okay, where does that land with you? Guys?
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Anthony Richardson saying afterwards he took himself out of the
game because he was tired, I've.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
Never heard that, never heard quarterback ever.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
I've never heard it from I mean, you can hear
it from players where they tap out because they need
a blow and stuff like that. But you know, I
don't know, I don't know how to react that, to
be honest, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
Because I mean he's different though too in the manner
they use him. But I think Lamar's never never has
to come out of a game, and he's run as
much as anyone, and in today's game, he's always continued
to be in there. So I like Kyler Murray, Cayler
Murray taping himself out.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
So he is clearly a drag racing car. Bro. That's
a quartermouth, quartermoule car running quarterback.
Speaker 8 (34:50):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
He ain't tapping out. Just slow up, slow up to play,
like use your play clock.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
I've never seen that before in my life.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Yeah, used the play I mean, I just so here
was Anthony Richardson discussing it afterwards.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
That's all right.
Speaker 8 (35:08):
That was a lot of runner up there all I did,
and I don't think I was gonna be able to
go that next place, so I just, uh, you know,
I just told saying you needed a break right there.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
I do appreciate the honesty, you know, to like, you know,
come up with something like you know.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Just these new age, these new age, different different bro there's.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
Like unwritten rules that they don't know about or they
don't live by anymore.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
And it's it's a little disappointing because there are certain
things you just you never did or you wouldn't do,
and maybe in some cases it's it's it's good. I'm
not sure I can think of any but I look
at it and just go, uh, yeah, I'm not sure
how I feel about this.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
I mean, you know, he could listally, he could have
be esked it. You know, he could have done something
to lie about it, but he was. He was a
stand up guy and he he told the truth. And
now I just wonder how his teammates feel about that,
you know, if they're looking at him giving him the
sidey Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Because of that.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
So that was fun. He truly is the wild card.
I think you might have made this comp I think
maybe earlier this season. But when we had the discussion
about Anthony Richardson, and it was like, man, when Josh
Allen first got into the league, you didn't know if
you were going to get a pick six going ninety
the other way or a ninety yard touchdown in his favor.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
Still set Richardson his skill set most was most similar
recently least to Josh Allen and the concerns about accuracy,
the concerns about he's got a howitzer for an arm.
He's an incredible athlete, but there are some accuracy issues
and some other things that you're concerned by. And I
think the difference is Josh Allen was able to obviously,
(36:52):
over time, over the first three years using the NFL,
cleaned up some things fundamentally become a more accurate passer. Now,
I don't know that he's done a better job of
protecting himself. He's been you know, less banged up or
beaten up than Anthony Richardson has. So there's a there's
a learning curve to this. But again, if Josh Allen
(37:13):
can do it, so can Anthony Richardson. It's just a
matter of him being able to make those adjustments in game,
which is tough to do when you're accustomed to you know, reacting,
taking off, running, trying to take a dude on and
you know, bulldozed through them.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
That just that doesn't work in the NFL.
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