Best of 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe

Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the College Football playoff bracket is set! The Chiefs win another 1-score game, but don’t chalk it up to luck. And coming off the back of Conference Championship Weekend, the NFL’S parity problem is more apparent than ever.

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Is the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with Lamar array Winn and Jonas Knox on radio.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
We finally got it. The college football playoffs are set.
We know who's where and who's playing who. So let's
discuss who's got a gripe. Who's got to complain?

Speaker 3 (00:27):
Because first off, is that how we have to start
this off. We can't be like excited about it.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
I'm excited about it, but that's par for the course
when it comes to this stuff that everyone wants to
complain about the situation.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
I'm not starting this off on a negative vein no chance, man,
this is this is awesome.

Speaker 4 (00:45):
I'm excited for it.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
By the way, you've got to be excited because the
state's got easiest path by four.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
Yeah, we got a great path.

Speaker 5 (00:53):
I mean I didn't like the fact that we lost,
but I did highlight it on our show that if
we did lose that there was a chance that that
would be something to the effect of what our path
would be.

Speaker 4 (01:04):
And yeah, I mean I like it. I like it.

Speaker 5 (01:09):
I like it a lot actually, so and we can
end up playing you you know, yeah, yeah, which to
get there.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
It's uh, that's the unfortunate part about some of the
complaints is, look, there's obviously the debate between Alabama and
SMU that that's gonna be the thing that stands out
the most, and we talked about it last week like
that was always going to be the decision for the committee.
And you do have to wonder if Clemson had blown
out SMU, would that have created an opportunity more for Alabama?

(01:41):
Whereas once SMU came back in that game, tied it up,
forced Clemson to kick a fifty six yarder game winner.
Did that ultimately changed the opinion of a lot of
the folks in the College Fall Playoff committee or was
their mind made up going into the conference championship weekend
saying that we're not going to ding a team that

(02:03):
gets to the conference championship game and loses, because otherwise
you could make the case that a lot of teams
wouldn't want to have to even go play those games,
Like they wouldn't want to risk going to a conference
championship game if they were ranked in a position to
go to the College Football Playoff, but with a loss
they would drop out. A lot of them would be like, well,

(02:25):
what's the point of going and playing then like you're
penalizing us for being successful enough to go play in
our conference championship, but then at the same time, if
we don't win it, we're out. So I understand there's
an argument to be made for strength to schedule, and
Alabama's strength to schedule is harder and more difficult than
SMUs that. That's fine, But if we want to debate that,

(02:47):
we also need to debate the fact that, like the
SEC only plays eight conference games, Big Ten plays nine,
there's other conferences where it's eight verse nine.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
So you have those issues.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
If you really want to get into it, we could
talk about death rector athletic director Greg Byrne for Alabama,
who comes out and says, well, we're gonna have to
change up how we go about schedule our non conference. Greg,
what do you mean you guys didn't lose in the
non conference? Your non conference was ridiculously easy. The toughest
theme you played was Wisconsin in Madison, which finishes the

(03:19):
twelfth best team of the Big Ten. Like that wasn't
your issue. Why Alabama was not in the playoff. You
lost to Vandy, you got blowed out by Oklahoma in Norman.
That's why you're not in the playoff. It wasn't because
of your non conference schedule. I mean, some of the
arguments that have come out from all of this are hilarious,

(03:40):
And that was probably at the top of the list
is all these Alabama fans were, well, we're just not
gonna play anybody. You didn't anywhere. You just played Mercer
a couple weeks ago. Like what do you mean your
non conference? If anything, go play an extra conference game.
If you think the SEC is superior, play nine games,
then go do what the Big ten does, and then
maybe that gets you in, oh for SMU, or go

(04:01):
play nine or ten. I mean Nick Saban talked about it.
Just play more conference games and then you can kind
of flex on everyone with how difficult your schedule is
because we've got these mega conferences now, Like I think
that's gonna be one of the bigger changes they look
at is with the conferences being as big as they are,
you get some teams like Texas, for example, like who's

(04:22):
texas best win? I mean, seriously, who's their best win?
They played a much lesser version of the SEC. So
we can go through that, you know, the exercises of
comparing resumes at the end of the day. The committee
talked about not penalizing teams for playing the conference championship weekend,
and they didn't, and they held up their words. So look,

(04:44):
I would do a few things differently if it was me,
But I can't wait to see these teams score off
and play.

Speaker 4 (04:49):
It's gonna be awesome.

Speaker 5 (04:50):
And so the lineups are purely based off of what
the end rankings of how they ranked the teams was
the result of how they aligned on the bracket.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
Uh yeah, which there's some Again, there's so many things
that bother me about kind of what they did, how
they did it.

Speaker 5 (05:09):
I mean, kind it's to me, it's kind of a
jacked up bracket. It really is kind of in my opinion,
it's a jacked up brad.

Speaker 4 (05:15):
So think about this.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
Clemson lost to South Carolina, but Clemson won the ACC.
So because they won the ACC they're an automatic qualifier
to get into the College Football Playoff. I don't have
an issue with that. I actually think that's how it
should be for all of the POWERFO conference champs and
then the highest ranked Group of five champ. What shouldn't

(05:38):
happen is that championship gets you an automatic qualifier for
a buy.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
That's where I draw the line.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
I mean, honestly, if we're being real and I had
my way out, it would be sixteen teams and I
wouldn't allow anyone to have a buy.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
But we're not there, so whatever.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
What the problem is is Clemson is ranked sixteenth in
their final ranking and they had to put them at
sixteenth because South Carolina beat them and they're fifteen. So
since Clemson automatically qualifies with their ACC championship.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
They allow the head to head to matter.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
Then all right, well we're just head to head not matter. Well,
Penn State, Ohio State. Ohio State beat Penn State in
Happy Valley, and for some reason they're behind Penn State,
which doesn't really make as much sense. Although again we
go back to the conference championship weekend. Penn State made
it to the Big Ten Championship. Ohio State didn't, so

(06:31):
Penn State's ranked higher than Ohio State. So there's another
example of that too. But you just look at it
that way and go, well, this doesn't make any sense.
I mean, Clemson just beat SMU and SMU was still
ranked higher in the final rankings, so there's a lot
of things that don't connect and don't make sense with
how they ended up doing their final rankings. It was
just their way of getting the twelve teams that I

(06:52):
think they would say have earned the right to play
for the playoff in their mind, who do you think
should have had the bye weeks? Are those fourteen is correct?
Or should it have been a different though?

Speaker 4 (07:02):
Again, if I so, I would do one of two things.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
If you were gonna do this format, I would reseed
after the first round, which they're not going to do,
meaning you know, you're gonna look at the number one
seeds and then and number two and number three and
number four, and then they're going to play you know,
for example, Oregon is gonna have to play the winner
of Ohio State and Tennessee.

Speaker 5 (07:22):
That's crazy, which is nuts. And by the way, that's
my pal title game right there.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
You can make that case and and their path as
a team that kind of buy will be the most
difficult of any of them, because then if they beat
you know, Ohio State, Tennessee, whoever the is the winner
of the first round, they would then play potentially Texas,
who's one of the higher seeds. That's that's above them
in that part of the bracket, and then let's just
say they play the highest seed for the national Championship.

(07:49):
Well that be Georgia. They're the two seed. So your
path is incredibly difficult. Thank you very much for going undefeated,
winning the Big Ten and being the number one overall seed.
Mind you, here's your path, you know, win a national
champions It's ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (08:02):
You know what I would have done was this. I
would have made the.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
Four Power four conference champions automatic qualifiers. I would have
had the highest group of five teams like Boise they
automatically qualified too. But then I'm going to have the
committee go ahead and rank those teams based on the rankings.
So Oregon would still be one, and they would get
the buy, but they would be in the portion of
the bracket that plays the winner of the you know,

(08:28):
five and twelve or whatever it is, and which when
this case, would have been the winner of like Notre
Dame and Clemson. So instead of going through this colo,
they're playing the winner of the eight and nine, they
can potentially get a matchup versus you know, two teams
that you know, weren't viewed quit as highly. I guess
in that case but they would have been more of
like Oregon one, Uga two. You know, if it was

(08:50):
Penns Day three. You know Texas three, have you see it?
And then vice versa. The other is fourth. Like those
four teams, to me, if those are your four highest ranked,
they should get a buye and then the next subsequent
eight teams you know, five through twelve would be ranked
and they'd play out for in the first round.

Speaker 5 (09:06):
I thought to myself, if you come up with who
you're your four by your four bye week teams? Are
you list your four bye week teams? Do like, do
away with rankings altogether, put your four foot put the
four teams that you feel are going to have the buys,
and then do a lottery with the rest of the eight.

(09:27):
I think that that s would be kind of exciting,
and it kind of takes away any type of this
person has this logic.

Speaker 4 (09:35):
This person has this logic. This person's like bump that.

Speaker 5 (09:38):
Just put them on some uh some bouncy balls, put
them in the dip, run it around a lottery.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
Have a lottery. I mean, why not.

Speaker 5 (09:48):
It's eight teams, why not have a lottery on who
plays who?

Speaker 4 (09:54):
I mean?

Speaker 5 (09:54):
I thought that I thought it was interesting. The most
interesting one is Oregon's draw. That's that's a that's the
most interesting one of them all.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Like the reseeding is the part that bothers me because
there's other playoff formats that do it. I think the
lack of receiving, Yeah, the fact that you're being you
should be rewarded and punished based on your seating every
single round, not just when you get into where you're
the lower seed you play the top seed. Well, what
if that team that lower seed wins, you reseed them

(10:24):
and this isn't the case. And that's the part that
bothers me. And there's other playoff formats that do that
as well too. I think the NBA might do it,
and it doesn't really make much sense to me because
then it's all about you're depending on the committee to
give you the best path. So if you're you know,
the Texas or if you're Penn State, you're looking at
it going, I mean, we just lost our conference championship

(10:46):
games and we've got a better opportunity to get to
the to the College Football the Final four than maybe
the other team that just beat us.

Speaker 5 (10:54):
Well, that doesn't that doesn't seem to make sense. It doesn't,
but then now it does put a lot of pressure.
Like I was talking somebody, They're like, man, it's like,
it seems like it was a great draw and a
great pool for Penn State. I said, but imagine if
they were to lose to SMU in the first round,
or if they were to lose the Boise in the
second round, Like, because there's the expectation that they should

(11:16):
beat two of the easiest teams, and in the playoff
they draw two of the easiest teams in the playoff
to play. If they were to lose, I mean, what
does that mean for the head coach? Like, I mean,
every single time we lose, the first thing they go
to is get rid of him.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
Can I make us statement too? In defense of James Franklin.
So everyone throws around the top five wins like he's
won in what is he now, one in fourteen, whatever
it is, it's abysmal. And then they're like, oh, and
you go back before James Franklin in two thousand, they've
got one win over top five teams. Dude, show me
the stats on every team versus top five opponents. And

(11:58):
in all seriousness, like people act like, oh, yeah, you
know you know certain coaches have a great record versus
top five teams. No, they don't like, No, they don't like.
I don't care who you are. It's like every time
I hear someone go, well, he's really struggled versus pressure today,
and it's like, yeah, every quarterback has. Have you ever

(12:19):
looked at the entire list of quarterbacks versus pressure? However
they divide it up on PFF or any of the
other websites, like, go look at their numbers versus pressure.
None of them are good. Like, yes, they're completing a
little above fifty percent. That's usually what it is. Some
guys are a little bit lower than that, but for
the most part they're not.

Speaker 4 (12:40):
They're not playing as well if they have a clean pocket.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
If they were struggling in a clean pocket, they probably
won't be playing at all. So I just I hate
that argument where they're like, oh, man, James Franklin's really
struggle for his top five teams. It's like, all right,
showed me a guy who's got a winning record verse
top five teams. In all seriousness, like the best ones
are maybe five hundred maybe, Like I'd love to go
back and look at Nick Saban have you looked at
Kirby Smart's record versus Alabama, does anyone talk about that,

(13:05):
like not great? I mean, it doesn't matter, but they
just want the sec they're the number two overall. Scene
you can you can always talk about that. It is
a lazy, tired argument, like they're going into the games
as underdogs. So what you're basically doing is saying, hey man,
we need James to upset these teams. I mean, Oregon
has been the number one. They were the best team

(13:26):
in the the country wire to wire, and and they're
going and it's the number one seed and they're like.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
No, yeah, he's James. Frank's gonna win this. It's like, dude, okay,
Like it's just it's such a bad stat I hate that.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
But I do think there's some validity to the conversation
of someone asked me about Ryan Day, Hey, Ohio stateke
gets to host Tennessee, and what is if they have.

Speaker 4 (13:48):
Mose to Tennessee. Tennessee.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yeah, after what we just saw versus Michigan, Like, I mean,
Kirk Gurcery talked about it. He said, you have to
be tough. When that first third down comes out, they
go three and out, they have to punt and they're.

Speaker 4 (13:58):
Doing Like what was I was thinking of my head?

Speaker 3 (14:01):
I wonder if Ohio State, the actual coaches and team
were like that, probably wouldn't mind if you had to
go down to Knoxville.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
Like like tough environment.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
I've told people That's one of the toughest environments I've
ever played in college or pro. But you at least
know what you're getting into when you go on the
road versus like an environment like that you don't expect
when you're at home, you know, and things don't aren't
going well, and you got your fans you're supposed to
be behind you, but they're booing you.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Is that Is that still going on in Columbus? Like
they haven't. They haven't shifted past. Hey, we're in the
college football and that's it's not a buzzy no, what
do you mean, Like they don't care. They just the loss.
It's like that's all people are thinking about.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
Right now in Columbus, Like that is another one of
those Well they can still play for a national championship,
you know, Ohio State fans will get over it.

Speaker 4 (14:55):
No, they won't. They don't.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
They don't get over a loss to Michigan. It takes
another year where they have the next opportunity to try
to beat Michigan before they get over it. I just
that's the funny thing about college football is I have
a different perspective because I travel around and we get
to talk to folks from different places, and you see
a lot of things. But some of the narratives that
come out, Like I'm telling you, man, Alabama was the best.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
We're not a part of your playoffs. We're not going
to schedule.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
It's difficult of a non conference all right, you didn't anyway,
So what are we talking about here?

Speaker 4 (15:27):
A pal Like, It's just it's just ridiculous people.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
And by the way, people are getting chirpy at me
for Penn State because hey, what time's the start of
that playoff game there?

Speaker 4 (15:36):
LeVar? Yeah, I think it's early. You think, I know,
it's sly. It's at noon.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
And by the way, you guys doing a white out,
that's interesting.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
I mean, we were told that you can't do a
white out at noon, but.

Speaker 5 (15:48):
You can't supposed to be late. It's it's supposed to
be under the lights when you do it.

Speaker 4 (15:52):
Hey, I get it.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
I'm just telling you, like, there is a lot of
hypocrisy running rampant right now through college football with some
of the things that fans are saying and complaining about.
And by the way, that's a TNT game, just to
reiterate TNT and for any complaints at TNT, I'm not
even sure if they have a football handle because somehow
they got in on the sub licensing agreement with ESPN.

(16:14):
But there you go. You can go to TNT and
complain about the start time of that game to them.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Yeah, wasn't that because of the inside the NBA stuff
that they kind of floated them. They said, hey, we
feel bad about all that.

Speaker 4 (16:25):
So they Penn State game.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yeah, they lost out. They lost out in the NBA, right,
so they're like, we listen, we'll do you solid.

Speaker 4 (16:31):
We'll give you play State.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
What's short sided about college football? And honestly, and this
is just I'm being very open and transparent when I
say this, what ESPN did by sub licensing to TNT
is definitely a part of what you just said.

Speaker 4 (16:48):
That's a part of it.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
I also think there is a thought that when you
have one network that covers a sport, especially at this
point in time of the year, they don't really do
it justice as far as creating this thought that we
cover it as like non biased as possible, and people
will say, like Fox or CBS and NBC, you're gonna
be biased to Big ten because they have the rights

(17:11):
to it. So so there's always gonna be arguments on
both sides. It's not good for the sport though, Like you,
if you're honest with yourself, you're Greg Sanke and you're
you're any other conference commissioner. It's not good for your
product if you have one network that broadcasts it. It's
just not you don't get as many voices, you don't
get as many perspectives that are part of it, you

(17:33):
don't get the different styles of presentation. It's one of
the reason why I look at the NFL. You have Fox,
you have ABC, you have a CBS an NBC, you
have Amazon, you have Netflix.

Speaker 4 (17:44):
Coming out the more the merrier.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
And the sense of like how can we grow our
viewership and grow our audience. And that's one of the
things with this twelve team playoff that at ESPN paid
for it. They footed the bill, you know, and and
it's you know, it is what it is. But it's
not good for the sport that you've got a network
that's basically regional for the entirety of the college football

(18:07):
season with their package of sec ACC that's sprinkling a
little big twelve. It's just not good for the sport.
They should incorporate more networks, more people as a part
of it. And instead you get like, hey, tn T,
you haven't been here all year, but it come to
a playoff game and I know they're gonna get That's
the thing is, they're gonna they're gonna use ESPN talent,

(18:27):
so they're slapping it on tn T. But it's like
ESPN ELP production. Yeah, ABC ESPN, Which is one of
the interesting things because if you looked at what it,
you know, Disney has really done this year. They pushed
all their cards behind their ABC, the broadcast network, and
they actually in doing that hurt a lot of their

(18:48):
ratings for ESPN that really didn't get many of their
bigger games. So ABC won the primetime window, they won
the three thirty window. Those the two top you know,
most viewed windows from the regular season in college football.
The problem is is ESPN has been down more than
ever before. Now part of that's their business plan because
they're kind of winding down ESPN and the pushing everything

(19:09):
to ESPN Plus, so they'll have like broadcast on ABC
and then digital. There won't be really anything in between
in the future. But that's a decision that they made
and and it's it's one of those business decisions that
they're making as they move forward. But at the same time, again,
I'm kind of getting off the tracks here going back
to the original point. It's just it's not good when
you've got kind of one network that's a part of it,

(19:30):
like you, you don't get this mixture of folks handling it.
That's why I kind of look at the NFL and say, well,
if that's the model where college football is going, then
maybe you should be replicating it that this point.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
In time during the year, you guys are going to
those games, right, Brady, You're going to Indiana under Dame.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
I'll be I'll be present for Indiana under Dame. I'll
probably be at Ohio State Tennessee as well.

Speaker 5 (19:53):
So it's be awesome there in the Battle of Indiana. Huh.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
Catholics Athletics versus Cigarettes.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (20:03):
Oh wow, Oh I heard they've only played one other
time before.

Speaker 4 (20:07):
If I'm not mistaken, it was like nineteen ninety one.

Speaker 5 (20:11):
Eddy's got a red ass too, He's got the puffy bottom. Yeah, yeah,
it is a real red bot.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
The first time a network outside of NBC is broadcast
at a Notre Dame home game since I believe nineteen
ninety kind of crazy.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
I mean, if they're gonna let TNT do these games,
I mean, why don't you let Ernie Johnson and Charles
Barkley call him?

Speaker 4 (20:31):
You know, in.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
All seriousness, Like, I don't know how you don't have
those guys as a part of it. Yeah, for an
entertainment value. But like again, and I'm not it's ESPN
talent who are calling the game. I believe it's like
Mark Jones, and I forget who who he's calling it with.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
I thought Mark Jones just lived in Boulder, now, I
don't know. I don't know he was also doing doing
other games.

Speaker 5 (20:52):
Some of these guys calling the games, man, they shouldn't
be calling games. I'm gonna just say that, and I'm
gonna lead out of a line.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
Has that come off some of these games or what
I mean?

Speaker 5 (21:03):
I just just some of these guys, man, they shouldn't
be calling I don't know how they got into the booth, Like,
I don't know who approved it for them to get
into the booth to be a part of doing it. Man,
that's all I'll say. You know, some of them, some
of the stuff that like, I don't know, and I
ain't gonna say no names or anything like that, but
I just you know, you listen to how they they

(21:25):
talk about some of the things, and you know, in
certain situations and clearly you have zero awareness or understanding
what the game of football is.

Speaker 4 (21:36):
And I just leave it at that.

Speaker 5 (21:38):
Man, I really would like and I try not to
be very you know, kind of critical of guys who
are are doing play calls.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
But look, I'm not asking to give a name, like
just what games did they call this weekend?

Speaker 4 (21:51):
You know, I'm not going to do Jonas is driving
the bus he wants to drive over someone, I'm not
going to do that. But I will say, like you
got to do to get into some of these. By
the way, the prices notre do. I think it's all
it's over.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
Yeah, it's like that bunny pag yo one bag, two
g's just to get in.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah, it's crazy. That's a that's a hell of a
Christmas gift. So people in Indiana, you got yourselves an idea, right,
throw it out.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
That's going to be a thump too. Man.

Speaker 5 (22:20):
That's that might be outside of Ohio State, Tennessee, that
might be. I mean, I think Texas and Clemson is
going to be a throttle too.

Speaker 4 (22:29):
But that'll be a much better game, people realize.

Speaker 5 (22:31):
I think that Notre Dame in Indiana is going to
be that's going to be a that's going to be
a fun game to watch.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
Man. I think India will be to my fourteen.

Speaker 5 (22:40):
I don't I don't know who's going to win. I
just think that that's going to be. That's going to
be a fun game to watch because I feel like
there's some relative unknowns in terms of with with both of.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
Them, you know, crazy about the like Ohio State, for example,
which seats over one hundred thousand, I think like one
hundred and two or something like that. So a lot
of these tickets they're not transferable, So depending on like
where you purchase through they you're not gonna be able
to sell it to someone else, Like if you're a
part of the Ohio State fan base or alumni and

(23:12):
they like try to get their tickets to sell them
to someone, they'd have to find another way of doing it.
And I think Tennessee gets like thirty five hundred tickets.

Speaker 4 (23:21):
That's it. That's crazy. So think about that.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
If Ohio State, if Buckeye Nation shows out the way
they can, you're graping.

Speaker 4 (23:28):
Ninety eight thousand Buckeyes fans.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
If you think about that home field environment, which is
just ridiculous, it's unfortunate if you have to play on
the road, like Penn State's going to be very much
the same.

Speaker 4 (23:40):
I know a few SMU guys and they're like, I
don't know, I'm sure if I'm going up there for
that one.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
It's just going to be such an overwhelming home field
advantage for a lot of those home teams.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yeah, it's gonna be a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
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Speaker 2 (24:05):
Hey, so the Kansas City Chiefs, is it just luck
at this point or do they just put themselves in
situations to where they're fortunate enough to get the bounces
here because in a close game, somehow, some way, they're
just gonna make a play to stay alive and then
win it like they.

Speaker 5 (24:20):
Did last set, and upright is definitely not something you
plant on doing.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
They were on the right hash to do it, Okay,
I mean.

Speaker 5 (24:29):
That has that man to hit that upright like that
from that right hash to do it.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
Again. Let's see him do it again. I don't want
to say anything because there's so.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
Many people who feel like they're the beneficiary of calls,
which you could definitely make the case they are at times.
But I think that's what comes with being a team
that's trying to be considered one of the greatest dynasties,
trying to repeat that's what comes along with it.

Speaker 4 (24:55):
That's part of the baggage. Like people are.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
Always gonna look at them and say, oh, they get
the benefit of the doll. They always get the calls,
the ball bounces their way. Then we have the same
conversations about the Patriots, yeap, Like did we have the
same conversations about any hit or anyone who touched Tom Brady?
We used to have these same issues. Seems it was
all the only one because the spy game the only one.
I mean, there's all the excuses that were made. Well,

(25:18):
they they deflate the football, there's a tuck.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Roll back in the day, say that was the dynasty.

Speaker 4 (25:23):
Doesn't even happen.

Speaker 5 (25:24):
If Charles Woodson's sack, strip, fumble or whatever, it doesn't,
it doesn't happen.

Speaker 4 (25:29):
They went on to be successful for twenty years.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
So I'm just telling you that's what people said.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
You know, It's it's weird, man, People like just can't
be like, yeah, they're really good.

Speaker 5 (25:40):
Kansas City is really good. The Chargers are really good.
I'm telling you they're they're up and comers. Pas no Diddy,
but I think that, uh, the way this game was
played run.

Speaker 4 (25:54):
Its course, hasn't it. By the way, no Diddy thing.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
No, I mean you got to Chasey And that's what
I'm saying. I don't know if it's run its course.
We're just talking.

Speaker 5 (26:04):
We got the dude Buzzby involved again, like here he
goes again.

Speaker 4 (26:08):
Harry comes, you know.

Speaker 5 (26:10):
So I don't know, man, But anyway, I do know this,
the Chiefs have not run their course yet.

Speaker 4 (26:18):
I do think that they are now.

Speaker 5 (26:20):
While I will say I don't, I don't feel as
though the way they're winning games is possibly where you'd
feel comfortable or confident in the playoffs or even in
a super Bowl scenario. I don't feel like they're as
dominant as as they maybe should be being in in

(26:45):
position to try to win a third straight. But with
that being said, again, sometimes the best wins are the
ugliest wins, and they've learned how to win ugly and
they've done it consistently. So maybe the bottom line is
they're learning how to fight on their back and that
could be to their advantage as they go deeper into

(27:05):
the season. I'm not sure what side it falls on.
I just I'm just curious as to why the offense
has not been that impressive and and I just you know,
I just wonder if if this defense can't hold up

(27:27):
for them and they have to find themselves in an
offensive shootout, are they in are they in the right
place to be able? Are they in the right position
to be able to do it? That's that's what I
would wonder. Like you think about that Buffalo Bill's you
know rams game yesterday.

Speaker 4 (27:44):
That was that was a shootout.

Speaker 5 (27:46):
It was great, you know that that was And they
both kept answering, they both kept stepping up and answering
the challenge of putting up points.

Speaker 4 (27:56):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (27:57):
When I was watching that game, I was like, I
don't know, oh, that Kansas City would be able to
do that against Buffalo.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Would they have to?

Speaker 4 (28:04):
Though?

Speaker 5 (28:04):
I mean, it's possible, That's what I'm saying, if it
were to come down that it became an offensive game,
would Kansas City be able to And I know that
sounds wild saying it because Patrick Mahomes is the quarterback,
So you say, in your mind, Patrick Mahomes will find
a way, But will he will he find a way?

(28:27):
That's to me that's the biggest question I have in
terms of if they're going to get a three peet,
they got to be able to get more offense circulating
and generating. If if they're going to legitimately make that
type of run again this year, there's going to be
one time there's going to be a game where their
defense isn't it's going to have to fall on them

(28:48):
on the offense side of the ball to win a game.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
Yeah, I guess I don't doubt that quite as much.
Like they're getting healthier at the right time. He saw
Pachecko and he kind of adds different elements to the
rushing attack. You're gonna Hollywood brown Back eventually Worthy still
work in progress as a rookie, but the Hopkins addition
now like it's elevated everyone. It's like helped open up

(29:11):
things for Kelsey, It's opened up things for Jujus Smith Schuster.
It's it's kind of been that high tide for them.
And again, they don't have to always like I think
people play them so different than they play a lot
of other teams. You know, it's like, don't let Patrick
Mahomes a big place like ruin the game, and they
do try to make them earn it, like it's a
lot softer shell coverage you'll see. And last night too,

(29:33):
it seemed like the charges were pretty intent. I'm getting
some hits on Patrick Mahomes. I mean, that was a
grueling game for him physically to get through, and he's
always up for the challenge. But like my concern is
probably more the offensive line more than anything else, because
that group last night I didn't think stood up very

(29:54):
well the Chargers pass rush. So that's moving forward as
I kind of look at that, the other teams gonna
have to play up against I mean, Buffalo can get
after it, the Ravens can get after it. Pittsburgh obviously
can get after it like it. That's a problem when
you talk about if they getting a shootout, I think
what I think of is like if they become one
dimensional and he's just got to drop back and sling

(30:16):
the football round. If this old line doesn't stand up
better and play better than they did last night, they're
gonna struggle like he's he's gonna get knocked out of
some games because because of the way you know, they're
rushing them, the way they're hitting them right now.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
It's like the Super Bowl they lost to Tampa Bay.
I mean, yeah, Tom Brady won it and the Bucks
won that, and it was the COVID year. But in
that Super Bowl, like Mahomes took a beating like I
think he got him might have gotten dinged up a
little bit in that. I think he came in with
an injury as well too. Into that game. I just
look at him and I go, if they're gonna find
themselves consistently in one score games like they have majority

(30:51):
of this year, I'll just I'll take my chances and
take Mahomes. He's gonna make a play in that spot.
And the defense has been really the star of this
team for going on two years. Is now I just
I don't know how you bet against them. And they're
gonna get home field advantage in the postseason, and Buffalo
with that loss yesterday, Uh, this feels like it's it's

(31:11):
probably gonna be a little bit out of reach. So
now you've got to depend on Buffalo if they get there,
to go to Kansas City and try and win that game.

Speaker 5 (31:17):
And I think that's one team that can do it,
because yeah, I know that, but I think it's it's
still with that being said, in the playoffs, I don't
think that, For one, the weather won't be an issue
for them to travel into k C, which is generally
that's going to be a tough one for for a

(31:38):
lot of teams to travel into k C and be
able to acclimate to that weather. That's one, and then two,
I just think that the the feel of this this
Buffalo team this year. They stepped up on offense. Now
the defense let them down in this game. But but
give the Rams some credit, right they they they generate

(32:00):
so much offense. Stafford played his brains out, Cooper Cup
and and like I said, Pooka they played, they played
amazing and they outgunned them. So if you're gonna say, okay,
in comparison to what we just saw last evening, if
they go in and play Kansas City in the playoffs,

(32:23):
they can keep up with them offensively, and I think
that that's ultimately at the end of the day, That's
that's what you want to know heading into that big
of a game, is that if we if we can
keep up with them on the offensive side of the ball,
if Patrick Mahomes is having a game, Ken Josh Allen

(32:44):
have the type of game where he can stand up
to what Patrick Mahomes is doing. And while they came
out on the other side of it last night, I
don't think for two seconds that in that big of
a game that they wouldn't be able to deliver, you know,
answers to what case would be able to do offensively
against their defense, and maybe they don't have that bad

(33:04):
of a day defensively again as they did last evening.
I mean, that wasn't that was it was wide open.
You know, the highway tolls were shut off, nobody was
paying tolls, so it'd be interesting to see. But I
think that that's one of the teams. You know, I
would have said the Bengals, you know, I'd say the Ravens,
you know, all cold, cold weather teams. I think that

(33:26):
there are a few teams that could actually travel into
into Kansas City and be able to win.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Pittsburgh.

Speaker 5 (33:35):
Pittsburgh is one of those teams. Yeah, Pittsburgh's won, and
they'll probably play better defense too. Chances are they play
better defense.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Yeah, so yeah, I mean if you're the Chargers, you
saw Herbert took a beating as well last night in
that game, and you know, they feel like they're going
to be a playoff team, and that's probably like if
you were to look how the playoffs match up, like
who wants the Chargers in the first round? I mean,
if you if you're Houston and you win the South

(34:04):
and you end up with l A like that, Like
I would take the Chargers in that game, Like I
thought there was.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
There was a couple of throws though, man he missed
in that one, and that was before the whole leg.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
Bruiser and contusion.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
But the deep shot to Palmer, Yeah, I feel like
that happens. Like we talked about, you know that we
were talking about the Chiefs that they can handle a shootout.

Speaker 4 (34:23):
It's like, I feel like.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
Everyone who plays the Chiefs you see that, you'll see like,
oh man, he missed that one, or he missed like
a big throw here there. I don't know why, but
I feel like it's always the Chiefs sort of the
beneficiary of that, like that misthrowt, or that the other
quarterback not playing as well as he's capable of.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
I mean, the ball hitting off the up right.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
It's just it's odd, man, things go their way.

Speaker 5 (34:45):
It's just it's that was before the win. Yeah, like
for the win. Yeah, that's kind of I don't know,
it does work out though. It's a third kicker of
the year. Man, I'm not one. I'm not a big
believer of luck. I'm not guy that says yep, luck
was playing a part in it. I just feel like
you make your luck. But that's as much of an

(35:06):
argument point against not believing in luck as as it gets.
That was definitely luck was on Kansas City side.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
It's the the great words of Seneca, the Roman philosopher.

Speaker 4 (35:19):
You know, you know what was it?

Speaker 2 (35:20):
What is the preparation and opportunity when they meet that's
luck Kansas City, and they got opportunities hitting, hitting upright,
and it banking and bouncing through.

Speaker 5 (35:33):
I would say, kind of maybe s is on that
that logic.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
I mean, are we just going to gloss over the
fact that I pulled Seneca a Roman philosopher here. I
don't even know if what you said is true, but
by the way, I'm going to agree with side.

Speaker 4 (35:49):
So I had the opportunity to call into Jonas's show
this weekend, nice and the main event.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
I'll say this, man, Jonas did a solo show. He
knows what he's doing. You could tell he feels most comfortable.

Speaker 4 (36:02):
By the solo show. Yeah, yeah, I'm not. I'm not.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
I'm not trying to say this to like for any
other reason. I'm just saying you could tell, Like I
was like, oh, all right, Like he knows what he's doing.

Speaker 5 (36:12):
We could do a show without Jonas and Lee. By
the way, I forgot, Let's get you on another time
slot and me and you would just try to survive,
you know, during the time slot. You and Lee stay
on this time slot and we'll go take another one.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (36:27):
I wasn't saying to free you up. I wasn't saying it.
For that reason, while I was saying.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Up, look he's sitting here smiling like, yeah, that's right,
that's right.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
I was listening to him because I had a chance
like to listen to like what a minute or so
before I actually came on, and I was like, all right, dude,
he's he's doing his thing, man.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
Like he this is this is where he feels most comfortable.
Like I haven't. I haven't heard that version of Jonas
in a little while.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Well, I forgot that. I did forget to ask you
a question or get your feedback on a comment that
I made earlier in the show. So you know that
Doctor Pepper halftime challenge they do like people have now
given up and they just do the chess pass.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
Okay, first off, it's not giving up. I've tested this,
like I went through like a lengthy test of it.
It's quicker to do. It's way quicker. Like there's so
many factors you have to play in there. The first
is if you're trying to grip the ball, they're slick
because they're kind of newish, and it takes longer to
try to find the laces. So if you don't want

(37:28):
to try to find the laces you're throwing it, You're
gonna be throwing it a more inaccurate ball.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
Okay, if you want to go with a throwing form,
if you.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
Want to do like the push pass thing, it's way easier,
way more accurate. If you've probably got more experience doing
a push pass of sorts than you would throwing a
football in your life.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
Most likely.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
My thought was if my son won a scholarship doing
chest passes.

Speaker 4 (37:59):
Disown you're so what I would do.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
What I would do as a good parent is playing
drugs in his dorm. That's what I would do. And
having kicked out of school, you will not come then.
This is Jonas Smith's and I forgot to present that
to you on Saturday, so I wanted to get that
in today if we could.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
I I saw one that I had not seen before,
which I thought was pretty innovative. Was the dude took
two balls and it was like he reloaded. It was
almost like having like a shotgun where you've got like
the over under where he kind of would push pass
to the right, quickly switched to the left, and he
was money. This kid beat the crap out of the

(38:37):
other I think he was going up against a girl.
But I think, h he hit like sixteen or seventeen
of them, and I'm like, it's not easy to do,
especially on that stage, not as much experience.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Yeah, well, listen, good for him, not in my household.

Speaker 4 (38:52):
That won't happened.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
No, no show back up here, dropping down better get
you take your ass back to Tijuana, buddy.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
So we talked about the college football playoffs being set.
The Top twelve comes out yesterday, we've got the bye weeks,
we've got the playoffs, we've got the home playoff games
that are coming up. And then that was about an
hour before the early games in the NFL kicked off.
And there are some bad football teams in the NFL,

(39:31):
and it doesn't appear like it's getting any better. It
appears like we've got a race for the number one pick.
And I don't know, I don't know what to tell you.
I love the NFL as much as anybody, but this
is a rough watch this year.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
You just think this is a bit of an indictment
to on the quarterback draft class, Like when you only
have one guy that everyone feels good about and then
it's kind of question marks behind that.

Speaker 4 (39:58):
I feel like that's part of the issue.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
I don't know, it's either that or just the fact
that we've got, you know, too many teams that there's
just not a lot of parody right now in the NFL.
So if you remove, obviously the Sunday night football game,
five of the ten games that were played yesterday there
were double digit margins of victory and in some of
the like the one score games you had Jacksonville, Tennessee.

(40:23):
That game was six nothing until twelve minutes left in
the fourth quarter. Okay, New Orleans, New York Giants fourteen
to eleven. All right, Two games where, if you were watching,
offense was hard to come by.

Speaker 4 (40:36):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
And I understand Jacksonville Mac Jones playing quarterback. You know,
he's a backup. It's not Trevor Lawrence. I get all
of that, but this is not a great product, man,
for people who watch some of those games. And look,
I'm as big of a Browns fan as anyone. A
couple of weeks ago, Browns beat Pittsburgh an awesome, awesome night,
awesome game. That game was nowhere close to the last

(40:58):
time these two teams played. Cleveland was never in that game.
So I just it felt like coming off the back
of conference championship weekend in college football and then watching
that mess of games, it became apparent. And I understand
you're also looking at some of the best of the
best at college football in comparison, but also, dude, you

(41:18):
only got thirty two teams. Like, let's be real, I
just for fifty percent of your games basically before Sunday
a football or called it a little less than that.
If you want to include Sunday football, it's got to
be better. Like there should be more of a concern
I think for the NFL moving forward, and until we
probably see a dip in the ratings or a dip
in viewership, no one's going to seriously address it. But

(41:40):
I'm telling you right now, this is a big time problem.
Like fan bases, attendance and all that stuff. They're going
to struggle for some of these really really bad teams.
I know, the TV money is so lucrative that it
probably doesn't change a lot as long as they're making
a profit or not having to spend a ton of
money on their franchise. But this is a big time

(42:01):
problem in my opinion for the NFL.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
Do you attribute it to the quarterbacks?

Speaker 5 (42:07):
I mean, if you think about it, I figure, how
many dope quarterbacks like bona Fides are there in the
league right now?

Speaker 3 (42:14):
There's three things I think overall it has to do
with quarterback play. But there's three things over all that
stand out. There is no longer the development of the
quarterback position, the way it's being taught at younger ages.

Speaker 4 (42:28):
I mean, I've told you guys, like even pee football,
they're like.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
In shotgun now, And I'm like, okay, Like, can we
not teach kids how to take a snap, how to
drop back, even a sense of timing and rhythm within
the passing game at a pee wee age?

Speaker 4 (42:40):
I mean, they're not doing it anymore.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
So there's elements of how the game's played at the
NFL level that aren't being taught at like the rudimentary.

Speaker 4 (42:49):
Level of football. That's a problem.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
So even when you get to the league, not only
do you not have that foundation of how the game
should be played from the pocket and all that stuff,
but your quarterbacks are better passers because of their technical
teaching from a throwing standpoint, So like in one instance
they're better, but in another instance, as far as playing

(43:12):
the game, it's not the same. They're not being taught
the football the same way and all that. So that's
one struggle, Okay. The next struggle is to me, the
offensive line. The offensive line.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
Play has got worse and worse.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
Anyone who watches game, watch his tape will tell you
that it's getting harder and harder to find guys that
you can consistently rely on. And there's just a huge
gap between and the offensive line athleticism and the defensive
line athleticism. Like that's what you're starting to see. And
you've seen teams convert guys who couldn't make it as
a detackle into an offensive lineman because they're a superior athlete,

(43:48):
and that's what they're up against. They can teach them
the technical skills, they can't teach them the sort of athleticism.
So the offensive line play, which inherently impacts the quarterback play, has.

Speaker 4 (43:58):
Gotten worse and worse, which is part of two.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
And I think the third thing is there's no patience
with head coaches, coaching staffs, which puts more pressure on
the coaches who are there to simply install, make sure
guys know the game plan. That's all they care about.
They just care about the winning of things. And I'm
not saying that you shouldn't care about winning. That obviously
is number one. But behind that used.

Speaker 4 (44:23):
To be some form of development. There used to be some.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
Period set aside every single day that we're about the
technical skills of playing quarterback and not just worrying about
the game plan and the install.

Speaker 4 (44:34):
That's not the case anymore.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
There's so much pressure on coaches in year one to
win and show improvement right now that they don't like,
if the guy's not playing, get him out of the
next guy, and like, we have to do something to
save our job.

Speaker 4 (44:48):
Because that's what they're most concerned with.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
So instead of being most concerned about the quarterback position,
the most important position, they're concerned about their own livelihood.
Almost a week in a week out in the NFL,
those three things to me stand out the most. But
I mean, look, we're we're transitioning to in a stage where,
like we see these running backs starting to emerge, it's like, well, yeah,
let's get back to running the football more then, like

(45:11):
until your quarterback's ready to take that next step, you know,
not everyone needs to become Tom Brady in their first year,
which people tend to forget. He sat and he watched
and he learned, and he wasn't asked to do the
things he was asked to do at the end of
his career at the beginning of his career, which ultimately
made him the greatest of all time.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
If Jaggs Titans Saints Giants, neither one of those games
should have been played.

Speaker 5 (45:33):
They should have been canceled. I'm gonna add to Q's lists.
I'm gonna at the physicality of the game continues to
be legislated out of it, and the preparation is being
modified so much that it's, in my estimation, it's tanking
the level of competition. So in that development, in that

(45:58):
in that preparation, four seasons and the way that they're
approaching it is nowhere near as intense as it once was.
Defenses are being you know, I mean, there's so much indecision,
there's so much confusion and how these guys are approaching

(46:19):
how to hit and how to tackle and what that
looks like and I think that that's impacting the level
of competition and the level of play as well. And
I think it's a major to me. I feel like
it's a major miss in some ways to actually and
what I believe bowed down to the pressures of what

(46:46):
was created publicly by the whole concussions conversation. And when
I was saying earlier talking about, you know, people needing
to be more responsible or be better at doing their
jobs when they're calling games, I mean just the narrative
and the perpetuating of like how some of these hits

(47:07):
are are discussed and how they're talked about when they happen.
It does no service. It actually does a disservice to
the game. Hearing guys that are calling it from the
booth and the ways that they're calling it because you're
further villainizing or you're further you know, making it more

(47:32):
of a dangerous like we're looking at this as how
dangerous this is versus it being a full contact sport.
You don't hear and I watched hockey at times, Like
I'm not an avid hockey fan. I don't watch it,
you know, like all the time, but I do watch sports.

(47:54):
You don't hear the way we discuss physicality in football
these days. Now, you don't hear discussed. You don't hear
physicality and things that take place like if somebody gets
hit a certain type of way in hockey or you know,
whatever it may be, you don't hear them talk about
it that way. It's almost like you have to make

(48:17):
sure you talk about a big hit and it's like brutalizing,
like you got to be careful on the words that
you're using. But I think it's ultimately becoming a part
of what football culture is is that this is a
time frame where the sport is actually trying to find

(48:37):
a proper sturdy footing on how you're able to play
the game. You know, one thing I thought of it's
interesting to me that this is the day and age
of where you have more mobile quarterbacks than you ever had.
Right think about this, you are now the league is

(48:58):
now transitioning into a space and time where it actually
is looking at mobile quarterbacks, dual threat quarterbacks more than
they ever have. And yet this is ultimately also the
time where you can't touch the quarterback, Like, how does

(49:19):
that work? If a quarterback is going to be mobile.
How does that work? Having a mobile quarterback, the most
mobile quarterbacks that you're going to have in the league,
you have it now, And yet you're legislating being able
to hit a quarterback out of the game.

Speaker 4 (49:35):
How does that work?

Speaker 3 (49:36):
They're not, the rules are they're only protecting the quarterback
in the pocket, though, Like that kind of more speaks
to I think some of the issues that I see
in quarterback play is there too many guys who are
reliant on trying to get outside the pocket where they
don't get those protections where they're going to take some
of those hits as opposed to playing from within the
pocket or they get that protection. Like that's one thing

(49:59):
that's kind of stood out, I guess. And I also
think that the dual threat quarterback it's important. Like a
byproduct a bit of what's happened with a lot of
the spread offenses that are a part of the youth
game is you get more youth offenses that have said, hey,
this guy in the past might have been a running back,
might have been another you know, player that we put

(50:20):
in like in the wing team or putting at like
a you know, a wing back or something like that,
and instead now we're like, well, we're gonna put him
in Shogun, We're gonna run zone read and quarterback run
game from Shotgun, and then we're gonna mix in some
RPOs and throws things like that as he continues to
develop along. And so it's kind of again a byproduct
I think of a lot of the upbringing and what's
changed with a lot of the way kids are coached

(50:43):
at a younger age. And I also think it falls
back into like, if your quarterback can't move, he's not
gonna survive in the NFL. I mean, a lot of
these guys are drafted to teams that have bad offensive
lines in the first place.

Speaker 4 (50:55):
That's one of the reasons why they're not very good.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
And so if that guy can't scramble, if he can't run,
if he can't affect the defense. You know, coaches one
oftentimes quarterbacks who can run or out the ability to
because it eliminates a lot of man defense, like go
ahead and try to play a man versus dude who
can take off and run and pick up a first
down or pick up a touch you know, go get
a touchdown with his legs on a passing play. It
scares defense is nuts. So it's it's a very simplified defense.

(51:22):
You're mostly gonna get some sort of post high zone,
maybe some quarters like that's kind of it. I mean,
if it's a man, it might be some form of
zero where you've got at least the extra defender who's
going to try to force the ball out of his
you know, his hand or you know, something along those lines.
So there is something responsible for the quarterback. I mean,
it's just you know that to me has played a

(51:43):
role in like the dual threat thing. But as far
as the physicality, I think you're you're dead on. Even
in regards to the preparation for a lot of players.
I'm looking at next week's games. I mean, tell me
you guys aren't just enthralled by Jets Jags, you know,
and in the early window.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
And actually the games next week are a little bit
better than this past week.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
But I was gonna ask you though, like the Jets now,
aren't you know they're out of the playoff hunt.

Speaker 4 (52:08):
That's what fourteen years in a row. It's the longest
streak of any.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Is it easy to watch it? I mean outside of
if you're betting or you have fantasy, like what do you.
I mean, what are you kind of watching.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
For at this point that that's really the only.

Speaker 5 (52:21):
If they can win? Like how many losses will they have?
I honestly, I think I think you it's crazy, but
people love watching suffering.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
It's it's gambling, it's fantasy football. I'm Tony Man because
next week the fantasy how bad.

Speaker 5 (52:40):
Can the Jets really be? People are watching to see.
It's like anything else. Aaron Rodgers has been on top.
Even in his down moments, they've been good. They just
weren't as good as they were when he was at
the top of the top. You get an opportunity to
watch a guy struggle, and that's what people watch for.

(53:02):
People watch to see how how low can it go?

Speaker 4 (53:06):
With Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
I think the most interesting parts of the Jets season
have already happened, the firings, the acquisitions, and the acceptance
that they're just a terrible football team. And I think
at this point people are kind of over it. I
think even look when he does the interviews with you know,
Pat McAfee and starring AJ Hawk, I think people have
kind of that that those have kind of run their

(53:29):
course for a lot of people, So I mean, he
does have this documentary coming out on Netflix, you know here,
and what's it call over a week Enigma? I think, yeah,
it's interesting. So I just I think people are over it, man,
I really do. And next week the only reason you
would watch some of these games is because fantasy football gambling.

(53:52):
I think that's the appeal.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
Can we go to our resident I watch bad television
leader lap to see if he's gonna watch.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
Muh I don't plan on watching that.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
No, Okay, And that's saying something because you watch so
many bad movies and so much bad TV that you're
not willing to even give this a try.

Speaker 6 (54:12):
Uh No, you know what, I'll probably dabble in it
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
I doubt I'll give it my full attention. I'll probably
put it on into something else.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
Okay, So let's say enigmas on what is actually garnishing
your full attention while that that's on, I'd.

Speaker 6 (54:26):
Be probably looking at the ayahuasca stuff, maybe his packer days.
I don't care too much about the you know what
he's doing with the Jets.

Speaker 4 (54:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
I was gonna say, though, is it like Jack Daniels,
is that distracting you from enigmaic what's what's distracting you
the most from actually watching the show?

Speaker 6 (54:41):
Yeah, probably mixing some cocktails and uh and anything else really,
but maybe barbecue and doing anything other than watching Rogers.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Lee was high and dry this past weekend. Apparently I
did sneak up here, I snuff.

Speaker 4 (54:55):
That's not true, Johns.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
I mean, he's there's always something that Why do you
have to sneak it?

Speaker 4 (55:00):
So why do you call it barbecue when you're really
just grilling out?

Speaker 2 (55:02):
That's true? Are you grilling?

Speaker 4 (55:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (55:04):
I'm not a barbecue. Yeah, I'm you're a grill.

Speaker 4 (55:06):
I am a griller. Yeah that's good. I mean, no,
LeVar am I wrong? Like there's a big difference. There
is a difference. Yeah, you're right, there's a difference.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
But like if people like go I barbecue, Like, okay,
but I just take a step back here. You're not
throwing stuff in a green egg or a tragger and
smoking it and taking the time to do that.

Speaker 4 (55:24):
You're just throwing stuff on the grill.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
Yeah, you're right, but I do at home or.

Speaker 4 (55:28):
Somebody go use the barbecue, you know, That's what I say.
It doesn't make You're right, You're right, You're right.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
That's like when you say, hey, I've got to take
a quick break and you leave during one of the
segments and you really want to take a dump.

Speaker 4 (55:40):
Like that's entirely different.

Speaker 5 (55:42):
Yeah, different things that, it's completely different things.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Since we're on the topic, I forgot to ask you
guys this last week. Difference between barbecuing and grilling and
all that. What's the difference between pasta sauce and pizzas sauce.

Speaker 4 (56:01):
There's a difference difference. What is it?

Speaker 2 (56:05):
I don't know because my wife was making pasta last
week and we didn't have any sauce left, but we
did have pizza sauce, and she said, no, I can't.

Speaker 5 (56:13):
Marinara sauce is different than like tomato sauce. You can
you can't use that in the tomato bass but they're different.

Speaker 4 (56:23):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
I said, you can't. Apparently to her, there is like
it said the jar said, pizza sauce, so she can't
use it in her pasta, And I'm like, dude.

Speaker 4 (56:35):
It's marinera.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
It's different consistency.

Speaker 6 (56:38):
Yeah, one's thicker, one's more, one's more of a paste one.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
I will I will ask the boss what the difference
is and we'll see what her response is, but she'll
most likely have a good response.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
On the chicken parm. What's the sauce of choice? Pasta Marinara?

Speaker 3 (56:54):
Neither, dude, you make? You make a separate sauce. Yeah,
it's like a it's like a It depends, but she
makes a sauce for it. I personally lately have been
doing to a vodka sauce. If you really want to
make a good chicken parm, don't use a red sauce.
Use a vodka sauce. It is outstanding. Really, Yes, Okay,
that's what's.

Speaker 4 (57:12):
Been missing in your life, your guys lives, Levart, you
have to try that.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
Next time you get a little parm deal with about
trust me, you'll be like, damn, I didn't know this existed.

Speaker 4 (57:23):
I'm gonna look it up. I'm going to do it.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Okay, So all right, right, fair enough, see we figured
things out here.

Speaker 4 (57:31):
That's now. Did you handle a situation at home just now?

Speaker 5 (57:35):
Are you going to play this play this segment like
conveniently in your like kitchen or something that you know
to settle a discussion point for me? But Joe and yeah,
it seems like you're being passive aggressive.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Oh no, no, no, no, no, that like trust me, I would
be like step on the gas aggressive if you know
I knew the language like that would help. So this
is more just a conversation with you guys, because I'm
trying to get answers because whatever answer I got I
couldn't understand. So there's that. So this is this is
where I get on sort it out. How long you've

(58:09):
been married h quatro years? Okay, that's not very long.
You're still getting to know the quatcho anos or whatever
they're called.

Speaker 4 (58:18):
What does that mean? I don't know. Okay, I'll let.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
You know an hour four.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
I don't know why you don't use the same accent
you use when like I talked to you on the
phone and then you talk to Andrew and in your
accent you.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
Do it completely different. What do you mean? I just
I don't like the character you try to turn into
on radio.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
It's not a character. I don't know what's being said.

Speaker 4 (58:36):
Not verbal the same way you do on radio as
you do on normal phone guys, or so say on
the call, it's unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
What do you mean, Like you want me to do
a tire rack read when I'm talking to you in
front of Andrew.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
No, I want you to not do your whole accent
thing when you're speaking to him, then act like you
don't know any Spanish. I know Spanish, I don't. I
know the bad words and I can't use them at home.

Speaker 4 (58:58):
I know the bad words. I don't care why you lie.
This is okay, it's okay to be a real person.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
There's there's no lie, man like. I don't know why
you paint me out to be some piaso. It's not.
That's not the case, not how this works. But nonetheless, I.

Speaker 5 (59:14):
Think we think. I'm going with Q on this one. Yeah, yeah,
I don't think I believe you. I don't think I
believe you at all. It's been too long.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
It feels reckless. But okay, And you know, for.

Speaker 5 (59:26):
What it's worth knowing you the way that I know you,
You just your affinity for you know all of that.
You just you love it too much to not know it. Broll,
I'm gonna say, without going too deep.

Speaker 4 (59:44):
Yeah all right,