November 11, 2025 • 40 mins
In hour 2, Bengals QB Joe Burrow returned to practice in limited capacity, but the guys wonder if there’s even a point in him coming back at this point in the season? Then Brian Kelly vs. LSU legal drama is brewing in college football.
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Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah you got snow que.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Before we get too far, let's remember it's Veterans Day, man.
Thank you. Yeah, absolutely past the future, you know, thank
you for everything you have done and we'll continue to
do to protect our liveries and freedoms and this great country.
So thank you out there to all the veterans.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Indeed, shuts out well said, do you have snow Q?
Oh yeah, there's oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Oh yeah, okay, all right, and it's sticking to the
ground too. It's cold enough. We ain't going anywhere right now.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah, it's sticking. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
How did the kids handle being in Florida for most
of their life and then now they're in the snow?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Well they their jeans are though more like from the
Midwest or Northeast, so they're not like the type too,
you know, only no warm weather like some people on
the show you know where they grew up dodging golf balls.
You know, the scariest thing they ever heard was, you know,
that's that's not man. You know, that's not their.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Their lifestyle, and then claim to be a hater and
plus you can't feel cold because you're a vampire, Like
that's not.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yeah, I didn't even know he was talking about me. Oh,
sorry about that.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah, Jonas, I was not dodging golf balls when I
was younger. Jonas like, I'm certain we didn't come to
that conclusion.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
I guarantee LeVar grew up with more money than I did.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Guarantee that's probably true. It's probably true. But my dad
was he he's one hundred percenter. You know, I ever
tell y'all the story about when my dad has to
go get reevaluated. They actually called my dad to come
in and get reevaluated. So every every so often, because
he's one hundred percent, yeah, he's one hundred percent disability,
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he goes in. They're like, hello, sir, da da da.
So the record show he goes, before you go any further,
he goes just like this. He goes, okay, hey here
you go. Are we good? Here? They tried to give
my dad different prosthetics, like through the years now, his
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legs are starting to get a little bit weaker because
he's getting a little older. So now he's like been
more you know, he's been more open to using the
updated technology. But my dad is straight old school, so
he's been would prosthetics like his entire time. So when
it walks, it like real sturdy bro like he stands
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on my dad literally, like when they say give him
the wood, like, my dad literally has wood with him
at all times. He brings the wood. Baby shouts out
the big mic, big happy Veterans Day, Big Mike and
all in all of the Arringtons and Kaiser's and my
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family that served. Yeah, man, So that's that's kind of interesting.
I don't even know how we got off on that tangent.
But he brings the wood. That's for shirt, all right,
come on, let's go.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Joe Burrow is back practicing.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
The Cincinnati Bengals have opened up his twenty one day
practice return through the IRS twenty one day window coming
off the IR to practice.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
If they do it, is there enough time? Is there
enough time for him to save the season for them?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I mean, if you listen to Joe Burrow, he explained
just sort of his healing process in dealing with the injury,
and also talked about the hope based on an abnormal
year for the AFC.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
No, you talk to a lot of different people.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
You talk to people who have been through it, even
understanding of what the injury is and what the repair is,
and then you just talk about it critically with the
doctor and the physical therapist and everybody involved, and you
just kind of take it day by day see how
it goes. Yeah, you know, our division is wide open.
I think Pittsburgh's five and four at this point. We
play them this week, so you know, everything is still
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there in front of us.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Very rare that our.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Division looks like this, but it does this year, and
you know, I think we'll be at least in it
until the end. I think it would be very difficult
for us to be a wildcard team at this point.
Obviously a lot, a lot of football to be played,
but you know, I think that's difficult. I think our
best path would be win the division.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
It's over.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
He's right, No, it's not.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
It's over.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
It's not over.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
He's said he's back this weekend. That's what it sounds like. No,
he's coming.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
What does he say, he's not saying that, he's just
talking about the division.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
When would he come back?
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Probably not for another couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
If Joe Burrow comes back and this team is still
one game back, he's one hundred correct. It's a wide
open division, and it's a division that if Joe Burrow
comes back that they could possibly win if he stays oalthy.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Is he gonna play defense or is he just playing Quarterbacksang? Yeah,
because I'm sorry, I don't think that that's solvable. And
I think the Jets and Bears losses like kind of
ruined games they should have won, sort of ruined chances
for them to really give this a go. Like I
understand Baltimore, but if he's not back for another two
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three weeks minimum, I just and it's not even like
Joe Flacco's playing poorly. He's playing really well, but defensively
they can't stop anybody, Like that's the issue going cue.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
I mean, I have my thoughts on it.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
No, And to Jonas's point, I mean Flacco's thrown for
over twelve hundred yards in four starts, like he's been incredible.
He's averaging three hundred and thirteen three and fourteen yards
a game, eleven touchdowns, only two interceptions. Like their offense
isn't the issue, it's the defense. They are god awful
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third down, red zone, whatever you want to point to.
I mean, they are dead last and scoring dead last
and total yards. It's bad, man Like, it's it doesn't
matter by the way, Joe Flacco in this four game stretch,
statistically speaking, I don't. I mean, I don't have to
go back and look like has I know, I know
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the one gave me three for more yards than Burrough
ever has. Like I'm not sure even Burrows had a
statistical stretch like Flacco's had as far as how much
he's how much he's put up, it's been pretty ridiculous.
But they're not out of it. They do have to
win the division in order to get back into it.
The problem is, if you look at their schedule, they
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got three of the next four on the road, two
of which are divisional opponents on the road, So they've
got to play Pittsburgh. He's probably not going to be,
you know, starting for this one, so he's not even
a part of that. You're then playing New England. I
know it's not a divisional game, but that's probably another
l even though you're hosting them. Then you go back
to back weeks at Baltimore at Buffalo. I don't know
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that they win a game in that stretch. And again
I realize, you know, not all those are divisional games,
but I just I don't foresee a team with a
losing record winning the AFC North. I think it'll be
Baltimore or it'll be Pittsburgh. They'll have a winning record.
And I think both those two teams right now are
much further ahead of where Cincinnati's at, at least defensively.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I'm not so doom and gloom on them. I think
the AFC North is wide open. I think they have
shown those teams have shown inconsistencies that say, to me,
anything is possible. Like there, I can't predict how this
is going to play out. And if Joe Burrow can
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get back in the saddle, he's still Joe Burrow, even
if Flaco has thrown for more yards than him, even
if he's done well, even if the defense is played poorly,
it's Joe Burrow. And I feel like there's certain guys
that can have an impact on their team when they
have a return that that is impactful and profound, and
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Joe Burrow is one of those guys. So I'm not
I'm not dooming gloom on the Bengals chances of being
able to revive a season where they are third place
in a division that has a divisional leader with three wins,
you know, or five five wins three? What is it?
Five wins? Three wins in the conference out? What is it?
(09:54):
Let me look at this, Let me look this back up. Yeah,
five wins, but three wins with three wins at home.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Yeah, by the way, uh, because I was nerding out
looking through stats. Twenty twenty one, Burrow threw for five
hundred and twenty five yards and four touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
For the season.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
No, no, No, in a single game.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Wait, god, that's that's damning.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Because FLA goes through for like four hundred and was
it seventy eighty something the other day.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Yeah, it was the most he's thrown for in his career.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
That's a lot of that's a lot.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
But I was curious as far as a Bengal though
Burrow threw for four eighty one and twenty twenty two,
five to twenty five and twenty twenty one, he's had
some of those like outliers huge games. Although I'd have
to go back and do like the the stats. I'm
trying to figure out if Burrow Burrow definitely threw four
the way he finished twenty twenty one, it would probably
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average about or be about the number that Flacco has
been at in four games or four starts, because he
threw for five to twenty five and then four four
six in back to back weeks.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
The Steelers have back to back losses. Correct that they
beat the Colts, they just beat the Colts this past weekend,
or makes lots of the Chargers they just lost to
the Charge. Yeah, I just think there's a there's inconsistencies.
And I know, I know you want to see a
better defense, and I would like to see a better
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defense in the AFC North as well. But I just
think that some of these teams, especially in the AFC Ultimore, man,
you could say that until this weekend or the next
weekend after like okay, they're starting to heat up, like
maybe maybe Like I just still think it's been inconsistencies.
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And when you don't see consistencies, I mean just like
to think that the Dolphins did what they did against Buffalo,
like the Buffaloes were supposed to be red hot or
or or heating up, like then they go and lose.
The guy dang Saints won a game. How's that happen?
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Damn?
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, I mean it is what it is. It's just
there's been a lot of inconsistencies and in.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
This call your shot right now, who's gonna.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Call my shot?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Call your shot?
Speaker 2 (12:18):
It's it's going to be the Pittsburgh Steelers that end
up winning it. And it's going to be in very
very like not not dramatic fascist, It's going to be, uh,
six picks, it's going to be.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Going to go with I'm gonna go with the Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yeah yeah, so's everybody else that's in in in the
betting lines at Vegas like that. What they're saying, My gosh,
what Larada has a pick?
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Laradi? Just I mean, just do it, acappella if you
have to kidding?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Whoa that really was?
Speaker 1 (12:55):
That?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Really? Was it?
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Whins?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
When's you really sounded? Just like the drop?
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Just yeah, it's real.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
That's a vital part of our show.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
You know, Jonas, tell you why right now? I mean,
do you know how many weirdos are going to play
that back on the podcast.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
I have been requested for cameo now, and I'm just
curious whatever they would want to use my voice for.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Well, if you take it and accept it and do it,
you know, that's that's you know, they get to use it.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Yeah, I sure do. Do I get to do I
get to pick the same team as somebody else? Or
do I have to take one of the other teams?
Speaker 2 (13:37):
The bigger question is you're on cameo. Huh No, I don't.
I don't get how cameo came up, Like, how are
you on cameo to get a request?
Speaker 5 (13:50):
No, it's been suggested that I should go do it
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Speaker 3 (13:56):
Yeah you go, Brady.
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I think the message said I listened to the show
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Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah. See, I think we SHO is trying hard to
get as many people as possible.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yeah, they are. I didn't even know that was still
a thing. I don't know it was still a thing.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Yeah, it's it's it's unfortunately on the downturn, what do
you what do you charge for something like that like,
I'm not on and you can leave a voice note
for somebody or something like that.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
I'm not in need of that. I don't. It's not something,
all right?
Speaker 3 (14:35):
So can I pick some same team as one of
you guys in the AFC North?
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yeah, man, I mean yeah, you don't have to pick
the saying or a different one.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Well quote the Ravens nevermore. Give me Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Here you go, locks. Baltimore has been boning us since
we started this show. You guys, go ahead and get
boned so more.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Yeah, it's time to time to bone back, all right, Okay,
Baltimore is going to win that division like the way
they're playing, right, Like the way they're playing. They were
my super Bowl pick to come out of the AFC,
and I think Baltimore has figured something out here and
they're going to win the AFC North in a down year.
That's how that's going to go. Cincinnati, Ato Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Nina Simone sang a song about Baltimore. You ever hear it? No,
you know, Nina Simone is bring us back to Baltimore.
About Nina Simone, Lorena'd like it's a dope song, man,
I got you. She was talking about Baltimore. Man, So
maybe you guys you know, will end up being right.
I mean, if you're jumping on chees choosing ship, so
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to speak. I mean, you know, he's not taking on
any water. It's doing really well. He's up real high
on on our weekly pick. So there you go. But
it's not how you start, it's how you finish.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
But we're going to look back on this little stretch
and say, this is where Pittsburgh could have really created
some separation and they didn't and didn't do it, and
that's where they left the door open for any insty potential.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
It's interesting because you could be right, but I don't know.
If it's for Baltimore, could be for Cincinnati.
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on Fox Sports Radio. So I thought the Brian Kelly
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LSU firing was just going to be, hey, like the
rest of them, guy gets fired, guy gets clipped, gets
to keep a giant check of chair, and then we
were just going on, and now there's Brian Kelly's attorneys
say that LSU have not quote formally terminated Brian Kelly
(18:39):
according to a petition, Yeah, according to a petition. They
say that they're trying to fire him for cause because
they're trying to avoid paying him the fifty four million
dollars they owe him. What the F's going on with
Brian Kelly?
Speaker 1 (18:52):
This is this is pretty typical. This is what universities
try to do. They kind of put the cart before
the horse. You fired them, not maybe having all the
funds everything necessary to be able to pay them out,
and maybe they feel like they've got a case against
them to fire them with cause. Who knows, that'll probably
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be decided upon at some point in the distant future.
But that's just how this works, man. Like you know,
the university sign up for these contracts, they'll try to,
you know, make sure during the course of the tenure
of the coach they're taking note of any little mishap
or mistake. It could be recruiting violations, it could be
things you know that happen outside of the realm of coaching.
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I'll just leave it at that. So they're gonna look
for any any little thing that would potentially trigger a
clause in their contract that would be you know, detrimental
to them earning out what money is there owed if
they're fired. And that's where we're at. So it will
be that way for Brian Kelly. It'll probably be a
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long time before he's able to figure out if you
will get indeed the full fifty four million. And here's
the and I don't know if there's offsets or not
within his contract. What I find most interesting about it
is if there is offsets, meaning if he went somewhere
else and coached ELISU would be off the hook for
a portion of whatever he was owed because he's making
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X somewhere else, you know, whatever that amount is. I
don't know that Brian Kelly has a great reputation right
now in the college football space. I feel like he
hired a firm before the season, I think to help
reshape his image. If that was the case, that was
a disaster the way the season's gone. I mean, obviously
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the way he conducted himself is mostly to blame, never
wanting to, you know, take blame for things or talk
to the media as if you know they didn't have
issues offensively, I mean the whole you know, arguing about
the running game that the running running shing attack's been awful,
and it's like he at no point was he ever
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really open and real about the difficulties they were going through,
in particular on offense, and it you know, one thing
led to another. But the point is, I don't know
that he's gonna be up for another head coaching job.
You know, there's there's some big job openings that are there,
I'm sure someone would hire him. I'm not sure it's
gonna be to the level of LSU. I'm not sure
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it's gonna be the level to Notre Dame. There's gonna
be a bunch of places that I think want to
hire a head coach, but I'm not sure they're gonna
be able to or they're gonna want to bring on
somebody who's got this sort of reputation.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Right now, I don't think so, not at a major university,
because the states are way too high these days. I
think if there was ever an opportunity for a guy
like Brian Kelly to be able to go from one
school to the next under these circumstances, because his last
his last departure, it wasn't a it wasn't tumultuous, It
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wasn't it wasn't bad. It wasn't like he got fired
and he moved on. He left, he left, and and
I would say the stain of how he rolled out
on Notre Dame was noted.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
So now you got he did the same thing to Cincinnati,
by the way, to go to you did.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Do it, and and and listen, I don't think anybody
would would put that in and I mean you can
put it as as as on record that this is
what he he makes a habit of doing. He'll he'll
step out on you, like he'll roll out on you.
But it was never under the terms of failure. It
was always he's he's such a good coach that we
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believe he's a winning coach. We believe we can win
with him, so we're gonna take him away. This is
not that scenario. And so when how you handle things
in good times says a lot about your character, how
you handle things in bad times says to me a
whole lot more about your character. And he didn't handle
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the LSU situation properly. He was abrasive there. There's a
lot of things that could be used, a lot of words,
uh that could be used that would explain and describe
what people felt and and and kind of observed from
from Brian Kelly and how he handled things like ego, maniac,
I've heard, I've heard narcissistic, I've heard a lot of
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things that came out about how people feel about Brian Kelly.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
He also comes across as dishonest.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
That that and very disingenuous. Right the n I l
era of time, the transferred portal. You can't have a
coach that brings the elements to the table that Brian
Kelly brings to the table. Who would who would pay
the type of money that Brian Kelly is gonna want
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for the amount of time that he's gonna want it
for to deal with But the potentials of what you're
going to have to deal with with the issues that
come with higher and Brian Kelly, that's what's going to
work against him the most if you ask me.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
And the fact that he's not going to be a
serious candidate for any of these bigger jobs. Like you
don't hear the same things being said about James Franklin,
who's also you know, been fired this year.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
You guys, you've not only heard a lot of support
about James Franklin, but you haven't really heard anything else here.
It's gone quiet.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Because he's there's you don't get this disingenuous vibe from
him to where you know, when he left Cincinnati, I
can remember that that was in two thousand and nine.
I think Marty Gilliard was one of the players for
Cincinnati who was pissed about it because he was dishonest
about that with the players there, and they were upset
when he when he left, and you can understand why
he would take the Notre Dame job, but he wasn't
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forthright about that, and then how the Notre Dame stuff happened.
He gets to LSU. He's got a fake Cajun accent.
You know, he's dancing in some you know video with
a recruit who signs with Alabama. The whole thing it
just and at some point, like I just wonder if
people are looking at this going what do we like,
does this guy even know who he is?
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Like?
Speaker 3 (25:08):
What are we getting from him?
Speaker 2 (25:10):
He knows?
Speaker 1 (25:11):
I mean, well, I think the other thing is like
Notre Dame, you know, got better, Like he leaves and
they're playing for a national championship. You know, you look
at Cincinnati, they've maintained for the most part, that's a
program that you could make the case he built up,
but at the same time it was able to maintain
after he left, which which a number of good coaches
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have come through there. But you kind of look at
it in just car right, you know, he got the
levels where I think he put him good you know,
a good foundation. But the truth of the matter is
how he conducted himself in today's college football world. It
just doesn't match up with the way he was able
to have success in the past. And I think the
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last thing I'll point out is, do you remember the
person who was calling for his head, who was so
outspoken when all this stuff went down. It was Jeff
Landry the governor.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I thought I was gonna say, Brady quint.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
No, it's Jeff Landry the governor, And where's he at now?
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Now?
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Now LSU was on the hook to pay out the
fifty four million, where's he at? He's not gonna be
involved any of this stuff. You know, all those people
who wanted to get behind the governor being ah, yeah,
that's our governor. He's calling out our head. Quote, we
need to find a new head football coach. Okay, do
you think he's involved and all the hell this is
all gonna shake out? Hell no? So I just I
(26:34):
sit there and I look at this whole situation as
they look for a new head coach and go it.
It feels, I don't want to say it, like a disaster,
but for a program that can turn things around and
have the best chance of any of the job openings.
I'm sorry, LeVar to win a national championship the next
five years, I would say, that's lsu. It feels like
(26:57):
this is just messy and it's not just Brian Kelly's
to blame. I will see was a part of this too,
and all those parties who want to up push him
out so fast before it was really necessary.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Yeah, I don't have any issues with what you said.
To be honest.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
By the way, I don't know the people know this
because I honestly wasn't fully aware of the change that's
happened in the transfer portal when a coach gets fired.
So on October seventh, they instituted a rule where when
a coach is fired, players don't have an open thirty
day window anymore. Prior to that, like when Mike Gunny
got fired this season in Oklahoma State, all those players
(27:35):
had a thirty day window that was open where they
could jump into the transfer portal and they could say
bye bye. That is not the case any longer for
these teams. When your coach gets fired, if it's at
October seventh or after, these kids can't transfer until the
transfer portal window opens come January or until the new
(27:56):
head coach is officially hired, there's a fifteen day period
in which there's almost like an acclamation period. The coach
gets to meet the player, they kind of talk about
things and so forth, and then there's a five day
period that opens up after those first fifteen days once
he's hired, and that's where those players can then transfer.
So it's I think it's even different too in how
(28:16):
teams or universities are handling how they go about firing,
because they used to be concerned about firing because they
were afraid they're going to lose the entire roster. Everyone's
just going to transfer out.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
That's exactly right, and now that's chansible because the kids.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Can't do that.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Franklin one day fire coach Franklin was that after that date.
I can look that up because that's an interesting piece
of information because, let me tell you something.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
They fired him on October twelfth, so they would not
be grandfather clause into that. So some of those players
can transfer until they hire a new head coach.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
And that's interesting because these players are still shook and
shaken an upset about James Franklin in the way he
was let go. The players are now I don't know
if that means. I mean, there's these are a lot
of high quality, like you know, character players that that
(29:13):
are on this team. I think the world of a
lot of these guys and and how they handle things.
But this has been a tough year for them, and
and they they definitely feel as though the way you know,
that that whole thing was handled with the coach was
not okay, Like a lot of a lot of hurt feelings,
(29:35):
a lot of guys upset, And I'm not so sure
that someone who didn't have a tremendous a tremendous tie
to what coach Franklin brought to the table for them
to come here would have been Like I don't know
that Penn State or playing for Penn State would have
(29:57):
been enough to keep them here. I don't know. So
I think that's an interesting piece of information there, because
you know, a lot of these guys are old old
heads anyway, so it's not even about transfer and they're
leaving like their time as a college player is done.
Like this is very heavy senior led last year led teams.
(30:17):
So but for the younger guys, I mean that would
have been very interesting to see because there are a
few players, like a handful, not a lot. It's not
going to be a lot of guys, but there are
a handful of guys that one hundred percent the top power.
You know, everybody's starting to try to adopt the power
(30:38):
to as the reference, like forget the other two. It's
a power to power too in college football that are
coming after players that are at Penn State. So it'd
be interesting to see how the transfer portal looks for
any of these major major programs that have had going
(31:01):
through a coaching change.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Can I read a quote to you, guys, and you
try and guess the coach? All right, guess which coach
said this?
Speaker 2 (31:08):
All right?
Speaker 3 (31:08):
This is a coach of a of a program that
we've all seen.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
That has been fired. Just a career coach.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
All right, I'm just going to read this.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Point great with names, I won't get it, So here
we go. Quote.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
I've actually won a championship and we're going to do
it again. We're going to do it here. That might
piss people off, so be it. They'll be celebrating when
we're hoisting a trophy, and it will be the belief
that I see from our players, the belief that I
see from our coaches, the talent that I know that
our players have and the guys that are coming to
be a part of this. Can you guess you didn't
(31:43):
even have to name the coach.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Brian Kelly's never won a national title.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Right, Well, yeah, it wouldn't be Brian Kelly, but it sounds.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Like Brian Kelly. It's kelly Ish, yeah, ask.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Yeah, well, no idea like let's have a championship. They
talk like a national champian.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
I mean, you know he's one at lower levels, you know,
lower level guy. But it's this is a prestigious program.
You know, this is a program that we've grown up with,
a program we've seen, you know, do.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Amazing lesser of a program.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Somebody who was actually part of the you know, college
football Urban Meyers Championship discussion, Rban.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Meyer wouldn't say anything like that. He wouldn't say it
like that. It would be definitely not in that manner.
I don't I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Is it Mike Norvell at Florida State?
Speaker 3 (32:34):
That is correct, Brady Quinn, you are the winner Mike.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Norvel that we grow up with, Like Whlorida State.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Florida State was a powerhouse back in the day.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
So you're saying he took that to Florida State and
said that.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Yeah, he just said that. Recently, there's been a lot
of people calling for his job as well too.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Yeah, how things went. That's the latest. That's the latest
conversation is Mike Norvale. Obviously, that's interesting. I wouldn't even
got that, like, which is tough because I don't know
who he is.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Like that, you go back and you look at that
twenty twenty three year, they go thirteen and one, mind
you pounded by Georgia, I mean, my gosh, and a
Georgia team that was like not playing with many of
their starters. But that being said, thirteen and one, they
finished sixth in the country. That was the high point.
You know. The next year they go back in the
transfer portal, spend a lot of money on players. It
was an absolute disaster. They're two and ten, one in
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seven in conference play. Doesn't work out. This year. They're
four and five after that big win over Alabama to
start the season, which looks like an incredible one. Even
now they're one and five again in conference play. It
just it feels like it's going in the wrong direction
and always when I see when I see a trend
like this, I always wonder, you know, what, how much
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of a difference would have been made for Mike Norvell
had they gotten into the playoff that year. Had they had,
they potentially won the national championship, even though they would
have gotten their doors kicked in. I mean, Georgia didn't
even make it, and again they were playing with a
bunch of backups and they still you know, wipe the
floor with Florida State. But it was a good season,
and but you wonder, like what would have happened or
(34:13):
would things have worked out differently for Florida State bottom
some time, well not even time, like just with that
next season that would have been as bad as it was.
I mean from my intel, you know, they did a
terrible job at talent evaluation and figure out guys who
are the right fit. And you know, from that twenty
twenty three season, it just feels like they haven't been
(34:35):
able to build off the foundation that Mike Norvell initially started,
which was a rough, rough start during COVID and then
slowly started to build up and get there. Like twenty
twenty two, there were ten wins, you know, season and
then obviously that again, twenty twenty three, they're their best
season under his tenure. But it feels like this is
a coach who's going to be entering the high if
(34:57):
he's ends up making it through this and he doesn't
get fired, you walk into twenty twenty six and go,
He's immediately in the hot seat. And that is the
toughest thing to fundraise too, Like what alumni is going
to be sitting there thinking, well, if this guy gets
off to a bad start, he's gonna get fired. So
why do I want to put money into the program.
(35:17):
If you're a recruit, you're the parents same thing. This
guy who's recruiting me right now might not even be
here throughout the entire twenty twenty sixth season. It seems
like we're venturing into a world now where a lot
of the decisions on these head coaches need to be
more absolute, where it's just if you're thinking about if
you feel like he's on that hot.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Seat at all, take handle it.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
You almost have to move on go just because of
everything else that comes along with you know, you know,
dealing with it a year from now, and the struggles
of fundraising, which is everything in college sports.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
I think it's interesting because I believe there's a strong
chance Clemson's going to be looking for a new head
coach and Florida State will be looking for a new
head coach. You got LSU out there already. I'm not
so sure you don't put every last one of those
schools ahead of Penn State, but then throw Penn State
into the equation as well. I'm if I'm a guy
(36:17):
like James Franklin, I know, you know, we've heard the
speculation and the things being discussed about Virginia Tech, you know,
opening it up for Franklin to come in, which I
think would be a great, a great gift for Virginia Tech.
But if I'm James Franklin, you know I can behind
(36:38):
closed doors, I don't think it would be wise to
be the type of person because of what we've just
talked about. You don't want to ruin your reputation as
a person. I think he has a very strong reputation
as a person for not being cocky, arrogant, narcissistic or
anything like that. Just very very well received person. I
think he's he probably hasn't taken that job at Virginia
(36:59):
Tech because of one of those jobs that we just
mentioned in terms of Florida State, Clemson, maybe even LSU,
you know who knows. But it'll be interesting to see
who does lose their job at year's end and who
they fill them with, because that fundraising part is that's
a very very big piece of of what it is
(37:22):
the biggest piece of all of this is the fundraising
aspect of it. And the relationship between a head coach
and the AD and the president or whatever, the chancellor
whoever runs the school that trinity, that is a very
very serious relationship that has to be on the up
and up for things to work.
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Yep wrong.
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Speaker 2 (38:44):
That's Nana Simone, by the way. That's Baltimore. That song
on y'all, it's a clean song man. She's dope, dope
dope artists. I mean she's not here anymore, but she
was a dope artist.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
You know it's not dope. The Washington Commanders, uh oh,
that team stinks. Dan Quin, the head coach now taking
over play calling duties on the defensive side for the
team following to.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Try to save your job.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
You think it's jobs in jeopardy.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
He was playffs last year.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
I'm not I'm not saying his job is in jeopardy.
I'm just saying, you don't want to get to the
point of where it is. If you do something better
than somebody else that's on your staff, and you're the
headed staff, then why not do it, you know, why
not do something that's going to make your team better.
So if he's just had the conversation with Dan Campbell right.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Like cutting his balls off.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
So we're currently thirtieth in the NFL, so defensively they
are struggling to your point three and seven, feels like
if they don't make a run now, they might have
a hard time getting into the playoffs. And remember this
is a defense that was like thirteenth in the NFL
last year, So it's been a pretty big dramatic decl
lined from where they were makes sense. I mean, that's
(40:02):
why Dan Quinn got the job in the first place,
is defensive acumen.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
He is known for the defense. That's how they went
to the Super Bowl in Atlanta. And well some would
say offense too, but I just I think that Dad
Quinn is I think Dad Quinn is a fine football coach,
fine man, and he'll figure it out. They'll figure it out.
They'll write the ship. So shouts out to dan Quinn.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Did Jaden Daniel's arm fall off or is he fine
based on the criticism he got.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
I think it's still there.
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Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah you got snow que.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Before we get too far, let's remember it's Veterans Day, man.
Thank you. Yeah, absolutely past the future, you know, thank
you for everything you have done and we'll continue to
do to protect our liveries and freedoms and this great country.
So thank you out there to all the veterans.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Indeed, shuts out well said, do you have snow Q?
Oh yeah, there's oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Oh yeah, okay, all right, and it's sticking to the
ground too. It's cold enough. We ain't going anywhere right now.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah, it's sticking. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
How did the kids handle being in Florida for most
of their life and then now they're in the snow?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Well they their jeans are though more like from the
Midwest or Northeast, so they're not like the type too,
you know, only no warm weather like some people on
the show you know where they grew up dodging golf balls.
You know, the scariest thing they ever heard was, you know,
that's that's not man. You know, that's not their.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Their lifestyle, and then claim to be a hater and
plus you can't feel cold because you're a vampire, Like
that's not.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yeah, I didn't even know he was talking about me. Oh,
sorry about that.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah, Jonas, I was not dodging golf balls when I
was younger. Jonas like, I'm certain we didn't come to
that conclusion.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
I guarantee LeVar grew up with more money than I did.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Guarantee that's probably true. It's probably true. But my dad
was he he's one hundred percenter. You know, I ever
tell y'all the story about when my dad has to
go get reevaluated. They actually called my dad to come
in and get reevaluated. So every every so often, because
he's one hundred percent, yeah, he's one hundred percent disability,
(03:15):
he goes in. They're like, hello, sir, da da da.
So the record show he goes, before you go any further,
he goes just like this. He goes, okay, hey here
you go. Are we good? Here? They tried to give
my dad different prosthetics, like through the years now, his
(03:36):
legs are starting to get a little bit weaker because
he's getting a little older. So now he's like been
more you know, he's been more open to using the
updated technology. But my dad is straight old school, so
he's been would prosthetics like his entire time. So when
it walks, it like real sturdy bro like he stands
(03:58):
on my dad literally, like when they say give him
the wood, like, my dad literally has wood with him
at all times. He brings the wood. Baby shouts out
the big mic, big happy Veterans Day, Big Mike and
all in all of the Arringtons and Kaiser's and my
(04:18):
family that served. Yeah, man, So that's that's kind of interesting.
I don't even know how we got off on that tangent.
But he brings the wood. That's for shirt, all right,
come on, let's go.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Joe Burrow is back practicing.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
The Cincinnati Bengals have opened up his twenty one day
practice return through the IRS twenty one day window coming
off the IR to practice.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
If they do it, is there enough time? Is there
enough time for him to save the season for them?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I mean, if you listen to Joe Burrow, he explained
just sort of his healing process in dealing with the injury,
and also talked about the hope based on an abnormal
year for the AFC.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
No, you talk to a lot of different people.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
You talk to people who have been through it, even
understanding of what the injury is and what the repair is,
and then you just talk about it critically with the
doctor and the physical therapist and everybody involved, and you
just kind of take it day by day see how
it goes. Yeah, you know, our division is wide open.
I think Pittsburgh's five and four at this point. We
play them this week, so you know, everything is still
(05:21):
there in front of us.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Very rare that our.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Division looks like this, but it does this year, and
you know, I think we'll be at least in it
until the end. I think it would be very difficult
for us to be a wildcard team at this point.
Obviously a lot, a lot of football to be played,
but you know, I think that's difficult. I think our
best path would be win the division.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
It's over.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
He's right, No, it's not.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
It's over.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
It's not over.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
He's said he's back this weekend. That's what it sounds like. No,
he's coming.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
What does he say, he's not saying that, he's just
talking about the division.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
When would he come back?
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Probably not for another couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
If Joe Burrow comes back and this team is still
one game back, he's one hundred correct. It's a wide
open division, and it's a division that if Joe Burrow
comes back that they could possibly win if he stays oalthy.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Is he gonna play defense or is he just playing Quarterbacksang? Yeah,
because I'm sorry, I don't think that that's solvable. And
I think the Jets and Bears losses like kind of
ruined games they should have won, sort of ruined chances
for them to really give this a go. Like I
understand Baltimore, but if he's not back for another two
(06:38):
three weeks minimum, I just and it's not even like
Joe Flacco's playing poorly. He's playing really well, but defensively
they can't stop anybody, Like that's the issue going cue.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
I mean, I have my thoughts on it.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
No, And to Jonas's point, I mean Flacco's thrown for
over twelve hundred yards in four starts, like he's been incredible.
He's averaging three hundred and thirteen three and fourteen yards
a game, eleven touchdowns, only two interceptions. Like their offense
isn't the issue, it's the defense. They are god awful
(07:18):
third down, red zone, whatever you want to point to.
I mean, they are dead last and scoring dead last
and total yards. It's bad, man Like, it's it doesn't
matter by the way, Joe Flacco in this four game stretch,
statistically speaking, I don't. I mean, I don't have to
go back and look like has I know, I know
(07:39):
the one gave me three for more yards than Burrough
ever has. Like I'm not sure even Burrows had a
statistical stretch like Flacco's had as far as how much
he's how much he's put up, it's been pretty ridiculous.
But they're not out of it. They do have to
win the division in order to get back into it.
The problem is, if you look at their schedule, they
(08:00):
got three of the next four on the road, two
of which are divisional opponents on the road, So they've
got to play Pittsburgh. He's probably not going to be,
you know, starting for this one, so he's not even
a part of that. You're then playing New England. I
know it's not a divisional game, but that's probably another
l even though you're hosting them. Then you go back
to back weeks at Baltimore at Buffalo. I don't know
(08:22):
that they win a game in that stretch. And again
I realize, you know, not all those are divisional games,
but I just I don't foresee a team with a
losing record winning the AFC North. I think it'll be
Baltimore or it'll be Pittsburgh. They'll have a winning record.
And I think both those two teams right now are
much further ahead of where Cincinnati's at, at least defensively.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I'm not so doom and gloom on them. I think
the AFC North is wide open. I think they have
shown those teams have shown inconsistencies that say, to me,
anything is possible. Like there, I can't predict how this
is going to play out. And if Joe Burrow can
(09:11):
get back in the saddle, he's still Joe Burrow, even
if Flaco has thrown for more yards than him, even
if he's done well, even if the defense is played poorly,
it's Joe Burrow. And I feel like there's certain guys
that can have an impact on their team when they
have a return that that is impactful and profound, and
(09:32):
Joe Burrow is one of those guys. So I'm not
I'm not dooming gloom on the Bengals chances of being
able to revive a season where they are third place
in a division that has a divisional leader with three wins,
you know, or five five wins three? What is it?
Five wins? Three wins in the conference out? What is it?
(09:54):
Let me look at this, Let me look this back up. Yeah,
five wins, but three wins with three wins at home.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Yeah, by the way, uh, because I was nerding out
looking through stats. Twenty twenty one, Burrow threw for five
hundred and twenty five yards and four touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
For the season.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
No, no, No, in a single game.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Wait, god, that's that's damning.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Because FLA goes through for like four hundred and was
it seventy eighty something the other day.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Yeah, it was the most he's thrown for in his career.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
That's a lot of that's a lot.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
But I was curious as far as a Bengal though
Burrow threw for four eighty one and twenty twenty two,
five to twenty five and twenty twenty one, he's had
some of those like outliers huge games. Although I'd have
to go back and do like the the stats. I'm
trying to figure out if Burrow Burrow definitely threw four
the way he finished twenty twenty one, it would probably
(10:52):
average about or be about the number that Flacco has
been at in four games or four starts, because he
threw for five to twenty five and then four four
six in back to back weeks.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
The Steelers have back to back losses. Correct that they
beat the Colts, they just beat the Colts this past weekend,
or makes lots of the Chargers they just lost to
the Charge. Yeah, I just think there's a there's inconsistencies.
And I know, I know you want to see a
better defense, and I would like to see a better
(11:24):
defense in the AFC North as well. But I just
think that some of these teams, especially in the AFC Ultimore, man,
you could say that until this weekend or the next
weekend after like okay, they're starting to heat up, like
maybe maybe Like I just still think it's been inconsistencies.
(11:44):
And when you don't see consistencies, I mean just like
to think that the Dolphins did what they did against Buffalo,
like the Buffaloes were supposed to be red hot or
or or heating up, like then they go and lose.
The guy dang Saints won a game. How's that happen?
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Damn?
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, I mean it is what it is. It's just
there's been a lot of inconsistencies and in.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
This call your shot right now, who's gonna.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Call my shot?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Call your shot?
Speaker 2 (12:18):
It's it's going to be the Pittsburgh Steelers that end
up winning it. And it's going to be in very
very like not not dramatic fascist, It's going to be, uh,
six picks, it's going to be.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Going to go with I'm gonna go with the Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yeah yeah, so's everybody else that's in in in the
betting lines at Vegas like that. What they're saying, My gosh,
what Larada has a pick?
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Laradi? Just I mean, just do it, acappella if you
have to kidding?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Whoa that really was?
Speaker 1 (12:55):
That?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Really? Was it?
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Whins?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
When's you really sounded? Just like the drop?
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Just yeah, it's real.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
That's a vital part of our show.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
You know, Jonas, tell you why right now? I mean,
do you know how many weirdos are going to play
that back on the podcast.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
I have been requested for cameo now, and I'm just
curious whatever they would want to use my voice for.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Well, if you take it and accept it and do it,
you know, that's that's you know, they get to use it.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Yeah, I sure do. Do I get to do I
get to pick the same team as somebody else? Or
do I have to take one of the other teams?
Speaker 2 (13:37):
The bigger question is you're on cameo. Huh No, I don't.
I don't get how cameo came up, Like, how are
you on cameo to get a request?
Speaker 5 (13:50):
No, it's been suggested that I should go do it
because of my my popularity with my drop for point.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Yeah you go, Brady.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
I think the message said I listened to the show
every mon morning, and I just want to make a
suggestion to you in case you haven't thought of it yet.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah. See, I think we SHO is trying hard to
get as many people as possible.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yeah, they are. I didn't even know that was still
a thing. I don't know it was still a thing.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Yeah, it's it's it's unfortunately on the downturn, what do
you what do you charge for something like that like,
I'm not on and you can leave a voice note
for somebody or something like that.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
I'm not in need of that. I don't. It's not something,
all right?
Speaker 3 (14:35):
So can I pick some same team as one of
you guys in the AFC North?
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yeah, man, I mean yeah, you don't have to pick
the saying or a different one.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Well quote the Ravens nevermore. Give me Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Here you go, locks. Baltimore has been boning us since
we started this show. You guys, go ahead and get
boned so more.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Yeah, it's time to time to bone back, all right, Okay,
Baltimore is going to win that division like the way
they're playing, right, Like the way they're playing. They were
my super Bowl pick to come out of the AFC,
and I think Baltimore has figured something out here and
they're going to win the AFC North in a down year.
That's how that's going to go. Cincinnati, Ato Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Nina Simone sang a song about Baltimore. You ever hear it? No,
you know, Nina Simone is bring us back to Baltimore.
About Nina Simone, Lorena'd like it's a dope song, man,
I got you. She was talking about Baltimore. Man, So
maybe you guys you know, will end up being right.
I mean, if you're jumping on chees choosing ship, so
(15:39):
to speak. I mean, you know, he's not taking on
any water. It's doing really well. He's up real high
on on our weekly pick. So there you go. But
it's not how you start, it's how you finish.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
But we're going to look back on this little stretch
and say, this is where Pittsburgh could have really created
some separation and they didn't and didn't do it, and
that's where they left the door open for any insty potential.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
It's interesting because you could be right, but I don't know.
If it's for Baltimore, could be for Cincinnati.
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We will get the details on that for you here
on Fox Sports Radio. So I thought the Brian Kelly
(18:17):
LSU firing was just going to be, hey, like the
rest of them, guy gets fired, guy gets clipped, gets
to keep a giant check of chair, and then we
were just going on, and now there's Brian Kelly's attorneys
say that LSU have not quote formally terminated Brian Kelly
(18:39):
according to a petition, Yeah, according to a petition. They
say that they're trying to fire him for cause because
they're trying to avoid paying him the fifty four million
dollars they owe him. What the F's going on with
Brian Kelly?
Speaker 1 (18:52):
This is this is pretty typical. This is what universities
try to do. They kind of put the cart before
the horse. You fired them, not maybe having all the
funds everything necessary to be able to pay them out,
and maybe they feel like they've got a case against
them to fire them with cause. Who knows, that'll probably
(19:15):
be decided upon at some point in the distant future.
But that's just how this works, man. Like you know,
the university sign up for these contracts, they'll try to,
you know, make sure during the course of the tenure
of the coach they're taking note of any little mishap
or mistake. It could be recruiting violations, it could be
things you know that happen outside of the realm of coaching.
(19:41):
I'll just leave it at that. So they're gonna look
for any any little thing that would potentially trigger a
clause in their contract that would be you know, detrimental
to them earning out what money is there owed if
they're fired. And that's where we're at. So it will
be that way for Brian Kelly. It'll probably be a
(20:03):
long time before he's able to figure out if you
will get indeed the full fifty four million. And here's
the and I don't know if there's offsets or not
within his contract. What I find most interesting about it
is if there is offsets, meaning if he went somewhere
else and coached ELISU would be off the hook for
a portion of whatever he was owed because he's making
(20:23):
X somewhere else, you know, whatever that amount is. I
don't know that Brian Kelly has a great reputation right
now in the college football space. I feel like he
hired a firm before the season, I think to help
reshape his image. If that was the case, that was
a disaster the way the season's gone. I mean, obviously
(20:45):
the way he conducted himself is mostly to blame, never
wanting to, you know, take blame for things or talk
to the media as if you know they didn't have
issues offensively, I mean the whole you know, arguing about
the running game that the running running shing attack's been awful,
and it's like he at no point was he ever
(21:06):
really open and real about the difficulties they were going through,
in particular on offense, and it you know, one thing
led to another. But the point is, I don't know
that he's gonna be up for another head coaching job.
You know, there's there's some big job openings that are there,
I'm sure someone would hire him. I'm not sure it's
gonna be to the level of LSU. I'm not sure
(21:27):
it's gonna be the level to Notre Dame. There's gonna
be a bunch of places that I think want to
hire a head coach, but I'm not sure they're gonna
be able to or they're gonna want to bring on
somebody who's got this sort of reputation.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Right now, I don't think so, not at a major university,
because the states are way too high these days. I
think if there was ever an opportunity for a guy
like Brian Kelly to be able to go from one
school to the next under these circumstances, because his last
his last departure, it wasn't a it wasn't tumultuous, It
(22:02):
wasn't it wasn't bad. It wasn't like he got fired
and he moved on. He left, he left, and and
I would say the stain of how he rolled out
on Notre Dame was noted.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
So now you got he did the same thing to Cincinnati,
by the way, to go to you did.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Do it, and and and listen, I don't think anybody
would would put that in and I mean you can
put it as as as on record that this is
what he he makes a habit of doing. He'll he'll
step out on you, like he'll roll out on you.
But it was never under the terms of failure. It
was always he's he's such a good coach that we
(22:42):
believe he's a winning coach. We believe we can win
with him, so we're gonna take him away. This is
not that scenario. And so when how you handle things
in good times says a lot about your character, how
you handle things in bad times says to me a
whole lot more about your character. And he didn't handle
(23:03):
the LSU situation properly. He was abrasive there. There's a
lot of things that could be used, a lot of words,
uh that could be used that would explain and describe
what people felt and and and kind of observed from
from Brian Kelly and how he handled things like ego, maniac,
I've heard, I've heard narcissistic, I've heard a lot of
(23:27):
things that came out about how people feel about Brian Kelly.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
He also comes across as dishonest.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
That that and very disingenuous. Right the n I l
era of time, the transferred portal. You can't have a
coach that brings the elements to the table that Brian
Kelly brings to the table. Who would who would pay
the type of money that Brian Kelly is gonna want
(23:56):
for the amount of time that he's gonna want it
for to deal with But the potentials of what you're
going to have to deal with with the issues that
come with higher and Brian Kelly, that's what's going to
work against him the most if you ask me.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
And the fact that he's not going to be a
serious candidate for any of these bigger jobs. Like you
don't hear the same things being said about James Franklin,
who's also you know, been fired this year.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
You guys, you've not only heard a lot of support
about James Franklin, but you haven't really heard anything else here.
It's gone quiet.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Because he's there's you don't get this disingenuous vibe from
him to where you know, when he left Cincinnati, I
can remember that that was in two thousand and nine.
I think Marty Gilliard was one of the players for
Cincinnati who was pissed about it because he was dishonest
about that with the players there, and they were upset
when he when he left, and you can understand why
he would take the Notre Dame job, but he wasn't
(24:48):
forthright about that, and then how the Notre Dame stuff happened.
He gets to LSU. He's got a fake Cajun accent.
You know, he's dancing in some you know video with
a recruit who signs with Alabama. The whole thing it
just and at some point, like I just wonder if
people are looking at this going what do we like,
does this guy even know who he is?
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Like?
Speaker 3 (25:08):
What are we getting from him?
Speaker 2 (25:10):
He knows?
Speaker 1 (25:11):
I mean, well, I think the other thing is like
Notre Dame, you know, got better, Like he leaves and
they're playing for a national championship. You know, you look
at Cincinnati, they've maintained for the most part, that's a
program that you could make the case he built up,
but at the same time it was able to maintain
after he left, which which a number of good coaches
(25:34):
have come through there. But you kind of look at
it in just car right, you know, he got the
levels where I think he put him good you know,
a good foundation. But the truth of the matter is
how he conducted himself in today's college football world. It
just doesn't match up with the way he was able
to have success in the past. And I think the
(25:55):
last thing I'll point out is, do you remember the
person who was calling for his head, who was so
outspoken when all this stuff went down. It was Jeff
Landry the governor.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I thought I was gonna say, Brady quint.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
No, it's Jeff Landry the governor, And where's he at now?
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Now?
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Now LSU was on the hook to pay out the
fifty four million, where's he at? He's not gonna be
involved any of this stuff. You know, all those people
who wanted to get behind the governor being ah, yeah,
that's our governor. He's calling out our head. Quote, we
need to find a new head football coach. Okay, do
you think he's involved and all the hell this is
all gonna shake out? Hell no? So I just I
(26:34):
sit there and I look at this whole situation as
they look for a new head coach and go it.
It feels, I don't want to say it, like a disaster,
but for a program that can turn things around and
have the best chance of any of the job openings.
I'm sorry, LeVar to win a national championship the next
five years, I would say, that's lsu. It feels like
(26:57):
this is just messy and it's not just Brian Kelly's
to blame. I will see was a part of this too,
and all those parties who want to up push him
out so fast before it was really necessary.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Yeah, I don't have any issues with what you said.
To be honest.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
By the way, I don't know the people know this
because I honestly wasn't fully aware of the change that's
happened in the transfer portal when a coach gets fired.
So on October seventh, they instituted a rule where when
a coach is fired, players don't have an open thirty
day window anymore. Prior to that, like when Mike Gunny
got fired this season in Oklahoma State, all those players
(27:35):
had a thirty day window that was open where they
could jump into the transfer portal and they could say
bye bye. That is not the case any longer for
these teams. When your coach gets fired, if it's at
October seventh or after, these kids can't transfer until the
transfer portal window opens come January or until the new
(27:56):
head coach is officially hired, there's a fifteen day period
in which there's almost like an acclamation period. The coach
gets to meet the player, they kind of talk about
things and so forth, and then there's a five day
period that opens up after those first fifteen days once
he's hired, and that's where those players can then transfer.
So it's I think it's even different too in how
(28:16):
teams or universities are handling how they go about firing,
because they used to be concerned about firing because they
were afraid they're going to lose the entire roster. Everyone's
just going to transfer out.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
That's exactly right, and now that's chansible because the kids.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Can't do that.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Franklin one day fire coach Franklin was that after that date.
I can look that up because that's an interesting piece
of information because, let me tell you something.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
They fired him on October twelfth, so they would not
be grandfather clause into that. So some of those players
can transfer until they hire a new head coach.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
And that's interesting because these players are still shook and
shaken an upset about James Franklin in the way he
was let go. The players are now I don't know
if that means. I mean, there's these are a lot
of high quality, like you know, character players that that
(29:13):
are on this team. I think the world of a
lot of these guys and and how they handle things.
But this has been a tough year for them, and
and they they definitely feel as though the way you know,
that that whole thing was handled with the coach was
not okay, Like a lot of a lot of hurt feelings,
(29:35):
a lot of guys upset, And I'm not so sure
that someone who didn't have a tremendous a tremendous tie
to what coach Franklin brought to the table for them
to come here would have been Like I don't know
that Penn State or playing for Penn State would have
(29:57):
been enough to keep them here. I don't know. So
I think that's an interesting piece of information there, because
you know, a lot of these guys are old old
heads anyway, so it's not even about transfer and they're
leaving like their time as a college player is done.
Like this is very heavy senior led last year led teams.
(30:17):
So but for the younger guys, I mean that would
have been very interesting to see because there are a
few players, like a handful, not a lot. It's not
going to be a lot of guys, but there are
a handful of guys that one hundred percent the top power.
You know, everybody's starting to try to adopt the power
(30:38):
to as the reference, like forget the other two. It's
a power to power too in college football that are
coming after players that are at Penn State. So it'd
be interesting to see how the transfer portal looks for
any of these major major programs that have had going
(31:01):
through a coaching change.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Can I read a quote to you, guys, and you
try and guess the coach? All right, guess which coach
said this?
Speaker 2 (31:08):
All right?
Speaker 3 (31:08):
This is a coach of a of a program that
we've all seen.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
That has been fired. Just a career coach.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
All right, I'm just going to read this.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Point great with names, I won't get it, So here
we go. Quote.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
I've actually won a championship and we're going to do
it again. We're going to do it here. That might
piss people off, so be it. They'll be celebrating when
we're hoisting a trophy, and it will be the belief
that I see from our players, the belief that I
see from our coaches, the talent that I know that
our players have and the guys that are coming to
be a part of this. Can you guess you didn't
(31:43):
even have to name the coach.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Brian Kelly's never won a national title.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Right, Well, yeah, it wouldn't be Brian Kelly, but it sounds.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Like Brian Kelly. It's kelly Ish, yeah, ask.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Yeah, well, no idea like let's have a championship. They
talk like a national champian.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
I mean, you know he's one at lower levels, you know,
lower level guy. But it's this is a prestigious program.
You know, this is a program that we've grown up with,
a program we've seen, you know, do.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Amazing lesser of a program.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Somebody who was actually part of the you know, college
football Urban Meyers Championship discussion, Rban.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Meyer wouldn't say anything like that. He wouldn't say it
like that. It would be definitely not in that manner.
I don't I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Is it Mike Norvell at Florida State?
Speaker 3 (32:34):
That is correct, Brady Quinn, you are the winner Mike.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Norvel that we grow up with, Like Whlorida State.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Florida State was a powerhouse back in the day.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
So you're saying he took that to Florida State and
said that.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Yeah, he just said that. Recently, there's been a lot
of people calling for his job as well too.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Yeah, how things went. That's the latest. That's the latest
conversation is Mike Norvale. Obviously, that's interesting. I wouldn't even
got that, like, which is tough because I don't know
who he is.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Like that, you go back and you look at that
twenty twenty three year, they go thirteen and one, mind
you pounded by Georgia, I mean, my gosh, and a
Georgia team that was like not playing with many of
their starters. But that being said, thirteen and one, they
finished sixth in the country. That was the high point.
You know. The next year they go back in the
transfer portal, spend a lot of money on players. It
was an absolute disaster. They're two and ten, one in
(33:30):
seven in conference play. Doesn't work out. This year. They're
four and five after that big win over Alabama to
start the season, which looks like an incredible one. Even
now they're one and five again in conference play. It
just it feels like it's going in the wrong direction
and always when I see when I see a trend
like this, I always wonder, you know, what, how much
(33:52):
of a difference would have been made for Mike Norvell
had they gotten into the playoff that year. Had they had,
they potentially won the national championship, even though they would
have gotten their doors kicked in. I mean, Georgia didn't
even make it, and again they were playing with a
bunch of backups and they still you know, wipe the
floor with Florida State. But it was a good season,
and but you wonder, like what would have happened or
(34:13):
would things have worked out differently for Florida State bottom
some time, well not even time, like just with that
next season that would have been as bad as it was.
I mean from my intel, you know, they did a
terrible job at talent evaluation and figure out guys who
are the right fit. And you know, from that twenty
twenty three season, it just feels like they haven't been
(34:35):
able to build off the foundation that Mike Norvell initially started,
which was a rough, rough start during COVID and then
slowly started to build up and get there. Like twenty
twenty two, there were ten wins, you know, season and
then obviously that again, twenty twenty three, they're their best
season under his tenure. But it feels like this is
a coach who's going to be entering the high if
(34:57):
he's ends up making it through this and he doesn't
get fired, you walk into twenty twenty six and go,
He's immediately in the hot seat. And that is the
toughest thing to fundraise too, Like what alumni is going
to be sitting there thinking, well, if this guy gets
off to a bad start, he's gonna get fired. So
why do I want to put money into the program.
(35:17):
If you're a recruit, you're the parents same thing. This
guy who's recruiting me right now might not even be
here throughout the entire twenty twenty sixth season. It seems
like we're venturing into a world now where a lot
of the decisions on these head coaches need to be
more absolute, where it's just if you're thinking about if
you feel like he's on that hot.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Seat at all, take handle it.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
You almost have to move on go just because of
everything else that comes along with you know, you know,
dealing with it a year from now, and the struggles
of fundraising, which is everything in college sports.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
I think it's interesting because I believe there's a strong
chance Clemson's going to be looking for a new head
coach and Florida State will be looking for a new
head coach. You got LSU out there already. I'm not
so sure you don't put every last one of those
schools ahead of Penn State, but then throw Penn State
into the equation as well. I'm if I'm a guy
(36:17):
like James Franklin, I know, you know, we've heard the
speculation and the things being discussed about Virginia Tech, you know,
opening it up for Franklin to come in, which I
think would be a great, a great gift for Virginia Tech.
But if I'm James Franklin, you know I can behind
(36:38):
closed doors, I don't think it would be wise to
be the type of person because of what we've just
talked about. You don't want to ruin your reputation as
a person. I think he has a very strong reputation
as a person for not being cocky, arrogant, narcissistic or
anything like that. Just very very well received person. I
think he's he probably hasn't taken that job at Virginia
(36:59):
Tech because of one of those jobs that we just
mentioned in terms of Florida State, Clemson, maybe even LSU,
you know who knows. But it'll be interesting to see
who does lose their job at year's end and who
they fill them with, because that fundraising part is that's
a very very big piece of of what it is
(37:22):
the biggest piece of all of this is the fundraising
aspect of it. And the relationship between a head coach
and the AD and the president or whatever, the chancellor
whoever runs the school that trinity, that is a very
very serious relationship that has to be on the up
and up for things to work.
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from now. Shots fired, Shots fired from one coach to
one program in the world of football. We'll get into
that for you here on FSR before we get to
this story in the NFL, but a change in command.
(38:29):
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Speaker 2 (38:44):
That's Nana Simone, by the way. That's Baltimore. That song
on y'all, it's a clean song man. She's dope, dope
dope artists. I mean she's not here anymore, but she
was a dope artist.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
You know it's not dope. The Washington Commanders, uh oh,
that team stinks. Dan Quin, the head coach now taking
over play calling duties on the defensive side for the
team following to.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Try to save your job.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
You think it's jobs in jeopardy.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
He was playffs last year.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
I'm not I'm not saying his job is in jeopardy.
I'm just saying, you don't want to get to the
point of where it is. If you do something better
than somebody else that's on your staff, and you're the
headed staff, then why not do it, you know, why
not do something that's going to make your team better.
So if he's just had the conversation with Dan Campbell right.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Like cutting his balls off.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
So we're currently thirtieth in the NFL, so defensively they
are struggling to your point three and seven, feels like
if they don't make a run now, they might have
a hard time getting into the playoffs. And remember this
is a defense that was like thirteenth in the NFL
last year, So it's been a pretty big dramatic decl
lined from where they were makes sense. I mean, that's
(40:02):
why Dan Quinn got the job in the first place,
is defensive acumen.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
He is known for the defense. That's how they went
to the Super Bowl in Atlanta. And well some would
say offense too, but I just I think that Dad
Quinn is I think Dad Quinn is a fine football coach,
fine man, and he'll figure it out. They'll figure it out.
They'll write the ship. So shouts out to dan Quinn.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Did Jaden Daniel's arm fall off or is he fine
based on the criticism he got.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
I think it's still there.
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