December 1, 2025 • 40 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the guys talk about Ohio State beating up on Michigan and their upcoming matchup against #2 Indiana, Lane Kiffin getting hired by LSU and not being able to finish out the season with Ole Miss, Pete Prisco joining the show to talk NFL, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Hey, let me ask you all this. After watching the game,
I said to myself, I've seen the number two team
play in person, I've seen the number one team play.
I don't think it's close. I think Ohio State is
in the league of their own as a team. I
don't think there's one team that's even close to Ohio State.
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But with that being said, we get to see number
one and number two. I think in the first time
in history that that number one number two are going
to play in the championship game, at least in the
Big ten. I'm not sure one which one is the
history of it all or whatever, but anyways, one in
a two. I think this is a This is a
super super big game for Kirk Signetty because of the
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clout out involved in this game.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
If he were to be able to win this game.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
I don't see anyone being able to beat Ohio State
this year. I don't I don't know how they've gotten
so good and how the gap is is what it is.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
This year's academic people want.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
To do maybe that's what it is man that that
high standard of how they do it.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
I don't know, but whatever it.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Is, it's working, and it just it appears to be
a gap, like you can you can walk with Ohio
State in the first half, but they eventually walk you
down and then walk away.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
And they've done it all.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Year long, like they have pretty much hammered everybody within
the same face unless it was a team that just
wasn't good. Otherwise, if it was a good team, they
walk you down. I just don't I think it's interesting
to see what what Kirk Signetti and this Indiana team
will be able to do. I don't I don't think
that they have enough to be able to handle or
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deal with Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
But I could be wrong. And I find it to
be an intriguing.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Matchup because you know that that is their team that
you could say is it's a hot team.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
They've found a way to always.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Win and and and now here's a matchup to see
who wins the conference the conference title.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
Yeah, I think it's an interesting question because I don't
know that Indiana has a lot of weaknesses and I
think we we kind of or some people look back
on last year and go, yeah, well, well is Indiana
like who they played? They haven't played the toughest competitions.
The dude, they won an Oregon, they won in Penn
State in the final moments. They've bludgeoned everyone else they've played.
I mean literally, it's it's not really been close.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Then that includes like a good Illinois team who was
eight and four this year be eligible.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
And they had to play Ohio State. They had to play.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
You know, I see a really tough schedule and you
start kind of combing it through and I mean maybe.
Speaker 6 (02:56):
Say, well, Iowa, you know they was that was a
tight game.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Also on the road, like they had a really difficult schedule,
and they answered the bell every single time. And no
one's playing if you want to say, join, Sayan's playing
at a Heisman level.
Speaker 6 (03:11):
So is Francisco Mendoza.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
I mean it's you just you look at what he's
doing and you just say, okay, like Fernando, excuse me,
you look at what he's doing right now and say
and then even the receivers, their receivers are just as productive.
Omar Cooper Junior who made the great catch US Penn State,
and Elijah Surat both those guys are playing at equal
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to a level of what Carnel Tate and Jeremi Smith.
Now I'm not saying they're gonna be viewed as the
same prospects when they are getting drafted like Carnel ta
first round, Jeremi Smith first round. I don't know if
I can say that for Surrat and Cooper Jr. But
you match these teams up, they are about as even
as as you can get. And I think the only
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thing I've become concerned by is the ability for Indiana
to run the football. And if they can, you know,
can they protect quite as well? And I think that's
what got exposed a little bit at Penn State. And
now I'll say this, what they needed to protect, they
did and they were able to find a way of
winning that game. But that was one of those games
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where you're kind of watching and going all right, like,
maybe this is a little bit of that weakness. But
I mean, they were well coached, they're sound, they don't
make mistakes.
Speaker 6 (04:27):
I think it's to be a hell of a game,
I really do. Between these two teams.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I know you can't bring up prior years, but I'm
going to. I just feel like we felt this way
in a lot of ways about India and last year,
and then they got into that playoff game.
Speaker 6 (04:45):
But they didn't play one. They didn't play one last year.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
And I get that, and I know you laid that
out very nicely. Different quarterbacks you gave. It is a
different quarterback.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
I just think program wise, it still it matters be
stated that when they got up against a real team
in the playoff they got spanked.
Speaker 6 (05:05):
Well, they they got spanked by Ohio State. Last year
they played, they played.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
They haven't played Ohio State yet this year.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Wilbert the Cigarette, I would.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Be I would not be shocked if if Ohio State
mollywops Indiana and in this game, I would not be.
I would not be shocked if they did. That's all
I'm saying. I've seen both him.
Speaker 6 (05:31):
The might be that good this year.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
The Ohio State. I think it's that good.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Be that good this year. I think Ohio State is
that good. I really do. I mean, I ain't gonna
hold them. I really think Ohio State is that good.
I don't know who's close to them. That's that's and
and going and hit stretch.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
If you go back and look at the film, that's
like yesterday's or Saturday's game, like.
Speaker 6 (05:54):
There's some things where there were some weaknesses there.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
You know, Michigan was kind of attacking this to C
and D gaps and the outside edge, and they got
away from it and it was effective, like they were
they knocked off.
Speaker 6 (06:03):
Some big runs.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
They were moving to football early doing that, and honestly
didn't think it wasn't like Ohio State did it much
to adjust to it. It felt like it was a
bit more of just Michigan getting away from it, which
has been always my griper issue with Chip Lindsay's I
just I've never really loved watching his tape and feeling
like the offense is able to stand to a rhythm.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
So I don't know, I'm not sure how.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Staked the same thing running the ball early. They had
success early against Ohio State, look look promising. And then
and then Ohio State turned on the Willy beaming Willy
Beaman reactor juice like they just they just disappeared like
just out of the air, gone like second half. I
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don't know what their adjustments were at the halftime or
or if they just wore down what we had going on,
but just seeing what they did in the second half
was like they they they started airing it out even
more because they aired it out early in the game.
But they started they I mean, they came out airing
it out. I just I think their ability to be
able to score when they want to score. Ohio State
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they can, they can. I just don't think their guys
are are coverable and they have a good compliment in
the run game and their defense play. I just don't
know that there's a team I watched Georgia play, I
watched Alabama play like. I just don't know.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Their feel like their best is way better than anybody else's.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
That's that's I mean in my my estimation, in my estimation,
and it's going to be interesting to see that a
team that that was just described the same way that
that Brady just described them, which I feel is accurate.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
This is an.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Indiana team that matches up well, that has a team.
They got, they got victories, they they have reason to
believe that this can be a game. I just don't
think that they're that close to being that good as
Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
I don't be interesting to see if Kirk Signetty gets
this win. That talk about a heavy ass feather because
I ain't never heard of a feather being heavy, but
that's a heavy feather in his cat.
Speaker 6 (08:13):
Good point.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
I mean, I know we're gonna talk about lank fifty.
That's a big old bitch there.
Speaker 6 (08:18):
Boss.
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Speaker 4 (09:04):
And it's official. Lane Kiffin is now the head coach
of the LSU Tigers. Congratulations to everybody in Baton Rouge.
Speaker 6 (09:15):
You've got your guy.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Talk about it paid off of hard, hard work, Dylan.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
So I think I think in order to do this properly,
and we don't like to get too overextended with all
this stuff. There's different ways of looking at and talking
about this. I think the first thing I'll just generally ask,
why do you guys feel like he left ole Miss?
Speaker 2 (09:37):
It's a great question that I've been asking myself the
entire time. Did they offer because it's always the bottom line.
It has to be the bottom line. Like at the
end of the day, you could say, oh, I love
being here and they loved you and this, that and
the other. But when when it comes down to you
being a coach or being paid for service that you do,
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that's exactly what it is. It's a nervis you're being
paid to do. So it's the bottom line to me,
what did.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Do we know?
Speaker 2 (10:05):
What what ole Miss offered him? I mean twelve million
a year? Did they come close to the twelve million
for more than it's One of.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
The reports was there was something similar to Florida and
LSU's offer.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
It was similar, which what does that mean?
Speaker 5 (10:21):
Well, which which it was twelve million, but with incentives
it gets close to like fourteen from LSU, which gets
you around seven years almost.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
One hundred million, and that's where I kind of first go.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
You can say you would have matched, but you didn't,
or if I mean or you didn't overpay either you
didn't spend.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
That's the first thing I thought, We'll pay you fifteen.
It's the bottom line. Like whatever, whatever he heard and
the offers, I think if Old Miss put an offer
out there that was was the same as LSU's, I
think he stays at Old Miss. I really did I did.
I think he does, because here's the thing. They're about
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to go into a college football playoff, and who's to
say that if Lane Kiffin is the head coach of
this team, that they don't make a run for the championship.
Who's to say they don't win the championship.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
It's a valid question, and we'll get to that because
I do think there's something I want to point out
as another layer of this, but join us.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Why do you think that I think that he views
himself as bigger than ole Miss?
Speaker 6 (11:32):
I think he. I think in the back of his
mind he views Ole Miss as a.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Second tier program to a place like LSU in Florida.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
Okay, so in what regard though, I'll tell you, because
I think it's on this regard, I think, financially with
what LSU is offering and probably not what Ole Miss
will offer, because one of the underlying things is you
heard about the contract. What seven years twelve million, but
up to fourteen with incentives that gets you around ninety
eight million. There's also supposedly a commitment of thirty five
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million a year in nil and recruiting. So the difference
between whatever Brian Kelly left for and what did or
did not happen was largely tied to Brian Kelly not
wanting to recruit.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
I mean, having money is one thing.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
Being able to actually go out recruit the kids, everything
else that's a whole different thing. So now you've got
a guy who is going to recruit, who does have
the money and does have the offensive acumen. So I
think it's the money combined with what Jonas just touched on.
He feels like and then we're talking about the greatest
season in Old Miss history, the greatest run of success.
Speaker 6 (12:41):
In Old Miss history.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
And what's interesting about Lane making this decision is he
feels like they're probably at their ceiling now, you can use,
which is kind of crazy when you look at Indiana
for example, what Kurt Signetti has done Vanderbilt, what Clark
Lee has done, some of these other schools that you
look at, how these other coaches have made them into
what I think we believe to be playoff contenders, the
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ability to take compete for a national championship. You know,
is that sustainable in the long term. We're gonna find
out it's a year two of Kurt Signetti. You know,
Clark Leeve has been there for a little bit building
this thing up. But after Diego Pavia leaves, what's that
offense going to look like? I mean, it wasn't like
it was offensive, you know, prowess for for Vanderbilt. At
times it's just Diego Pavia making a play, you know,
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the play after the play when he starts to scramble
round or takes off and runs on pass play, So we.
Speaker 6 (13:35):
Get to see a real view of what that's going
to look like.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
And I think Jonas to your point, like Lane Kiffin
believes LSU is gonna be able to win a national
championship easier than what Ole Miss is gonna be able
to do.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
He's in position to win one right now. They don't,
which I think is the most preposterous thing you get
to be button.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Do you think he.
Speaker 6 (13:55):
Believes that though, because I also feel like he doesn't
believe that if he's choosing the leave, if he really
thought they had a shot, if he really thought they
had a shot.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
And I guess I'll just bring this up now. They've
never been a good defensive team. A Lane Kiffin coach
team has never been a good defensive team.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
They weren't at SC, they weren't at FAU.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
I think I think it's high water marks, like third
or fifth in any conference he's been in defensively. And
I'm going back to what conference USA for FAU. You
can look at Ole mess They've never been good defensively.
They've never been well the high ranked defensively, if you
really want to make the comparison. And I did this
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to you guys last week, Lincoln Riley and Lane Kiffin
are not that far apart. And Lincoln Riley was in
a much better situation, or left a much better situation
at Oklahoma than where Lane Kiffins had to kind of
jump around to different programs and build those things back up.
Speaker 6 (14:58):
But neither has.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
Ever been able to fully coach a dominant football team.
They've always been great offensively. They've always had guys you
can say, oh, they might be in the Heisman, you know,
a heismand conversation, or you know, Lincoln rather has coached
some Heisman winners. It's just been purely offensive football. They've
never been teams who said, man that defense though.
Speaker 6 (15:21):
It's never been.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Things I think he's set up for. I mean, listen,
at this point, it doesn't I guess it doesn't really
matter if you underperform once you've pluy, once you've coached
well enough to get the type of contracts Elaine Kiffin.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Has just has just gotten reportedly.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
So to me, it's like, I don't I think he
will fall in the same type of category as as
Kelly did. I think a lot of times that's what's
going to happen. You get these large contracts, but you're
probably never going to outperform the amount of money that
that university is going to pay you. I don't think
he will. Whether he gets a defense in Baton Rouge
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or not, I don't think he will.
Speaker 8 (16:06):
Now.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
As far as him believing what he has right now
and can he do it and is his defense good enough,
all I would say is it's led to him getting
this moment. It's led to him getting this contract, and
to me, that's bigger than him winning the national title.
Like as a as a professional, his his job, occupation
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and his performance led to him getting the ultimate reward,
which is a contract that pays him the type of
money that he's going to get paid. So whether he
believed it or not, I guess it's immateial because he's
gotten the results that that he would want to have,
whether it came from LSU, whether it came from Ole Miss.
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He got what he wanted. So I don't I think
you got to let the guy play it out. That's
what I say. You got to let him play it out.
Like I'm not gonna I'm not going to spike myself.
I'm not going to punish my university in my team
by saying, Okay, he chose to leave, he's gonna leave
after this. There's a respect factor there between him and
his players. And the way Lane Kiffin comes across, he
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probably allowed his guys behind the scenes or behind the
curtain of what he was thinking and that we don't
need to let this be a deterrent or distraction of
what's going on. We all got things to do he had.
He very much has that type of personality. You let them,
you let them catch try to finish what they did.
He didn't say I'm taking a job and I'm leaving.
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He said they told him they relieved him of his
duties when he said he was going to take.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
The job out of LSU.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
I don't think that was wise at all on old
Missus Park to do that.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
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Speaker 4 (17:53):
And right now it is time for a Monday tradition
here on the show. He's the smooth operator. He is
Pete Prisco, senior NFL columnist for CBS Sports, CBS Sports
HQ Analyst And if you want some of that smoke
on X you can get it at Prisco CBS. Pete,
good morning.
Speaker 9 (18:15):
What's up, guys?
Speaker 3 (18:15):
How are you morning?
Speaker 6 (18:17):
Are you sun? Very fresh, rejuvenated? Pete? You know I
had a nice Thanksgiving us sounds like.
Speaker 9 (18:23):
Yeah, it was a you know, it's a good football weekend,
long football weekend, and they took all the good games
and put them on Thursday, and then we ended up
with what we had to watch on Sunday, which was
a lot of bad football.
Speaker 6 (18:33):
Yeah, yeah, that's what Jonas wants to talk about today.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
So yeah, I'm sure he's excited. Opened up the gateway
to talking NFL.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Same old material. Keep on recycling that one, Pete. I
do have a question for you. You'd know twenty five
years you've been at CBS Sports twenty five years. Congratulations,
And how did you make it twenty five years there?
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Well?
Speaker 9 (19:00):
I had to put up with a lot of guys
like Brady Quinn over the years, so that that made
it a little challenge. I had a lot of really
good people to work around me. I've met a lot
of people I've worked with. I've become friends with Brady
being included in that. And look, it's I changed. When
I went there in two thousand. It was an online
writing site and I was a writer, and we adjusted,
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you know, and everything went to video and I had
to adjust, and I think I adjusted pretty well. So
you know, you got to you gotta change. That's the
one thing. If people always ask me, what would you
do to go into this business? If you're going to
this business. Now, I'd say a specialize in a sport
if you're a young person, you know, become an expert
or or you really focus in on that sport and
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be be yourself. And I think that's that's kind of
carried me where I am is I've always been myself.
I'm not I'm not afraid to put an opinion out there.
I'm not afraid to challenge a player or a coach.
And that's been that way my entire career. So and
and look, put out good content and I think people
will follow you. And then the third most important thing,
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You don't want anybody to not love.
Speaker 8 (20:06):
You or hate you. Be either.
Speaker 9 (20:09):
Don't be in the middle. If you're in the middle,
you're never going to get an audience. And I think
that's the biggest key to the whole thing.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
Uh, that's a great scread advice.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
I'm just curious to have you chime in on, like
what you think about the whole Wayne Kevin stuff because
it seems to be a pretty I mean, we got
Bill Kawer talking about it on CBS like postgame halftime show.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
What's your take on him leaving Old Miss to go
at LSU.
Speaker 9 (20:32):
I mean, he didn't leave for more money. That's the
weird thing about it. But it's a better situation, Brady.
You know you're involved in it. The nil thing, the
collective and all that. That's where it's at. If you
got a better if the school has a better opportunity
to get players, you're going to go there. And they
have a better opportunity to get players at LSU from
what I understand now, I don't know the details of it,
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but you would know better than me. But I think
that's the case. And if that's the case, you take
the job. We don't know this. Look the greatest Bill
Belchie might arguably be one of the great coaches of
all time, and luka his keam did why because you
didn't have the players. You gotta It's a player's game.
The players win. If you have the players, you're gonna win.
And it doesn't matter who the hell the coach is.
I mean, you gotta have players. If you don't have players,
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I don't care who he is. He's not winning, So
I think he made the right decision from that standpoint.
If the collective is better now you know better than
I do, isn't it Brady?
Speaker 6 (21:22):
Is it better at LSU, Well, it sounds like they've
got deeper pockets there.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
I also would take issue with the fact that there
wasn't more money on the table. I think there was
a talk of them matching, but it doesn't sound like
maybe that became the case when you look at the
entire incentive package as well, and what ELSEU is willing
to give him along with the money for ANIL. So
I think in totality that package, what he's being compensated,
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the NIL stuff, along with the resources they're wanting to
put into it, probably was better for LSU. And that's
why probably Nick Saban and Pete Carroll, some of the
guys Kifvin referenced, probably told him to go tell you
that if you once win a national championship, who all
have a better chance to do so?
Speaker 6 (22:03):
There?
Speaker 9 (22:04):
Yeah, I mean, look, and these coaches now are getting
fired with tons of years on their on their contracts
to look, if I'm not mistake and Mark Stoops is
out now, are going to be out and if he
dous out? Yeah, yeah, thirty three million dollars left on
that contract, wasn't it. A couple of years ago he
was threatened to go to A and M and they
decided to keep him, and now he's out. I mean,
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these schools don't care anymore. Just you know, if there's
that much money on the contract, they're gonna get rid
of him. And so it's a whole different ballgame college
football right now, you know what? And by the way,
I saw asleep watching your Alma monitor the other night
and then won't back up again. Brady, what has college
football come down to where your team has taken Shaunton
to the end zone up forty nine? I mean, come on,
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that's a bit in Miami. I think the Miami score
a touchdown with on the second throw on the second
to last play of the game for a touchdown.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
No, it's a great question. I was going to ask
the same thing about Arizona. Who's beating the drums int
of Arizona State? Like what were they doing, you know,
for the Territorial Cup?
Speaker 8 (23:03):
Like what happened to be?
Speaker 9 (23:04):
What? They're back to being what they are again, which
is an eight.
Speaker 6 (23:07):
Degree yeah forks, But put you're forked out and don't
watch there's a stake get blasted.
Speaker 9 (23:13):
No. No, look, look, I'm not going to sit here
and pump up Arizona State. They're playing with the backup
quarterback is not very good a And you know, hi,
I don't. I think Dillingham is a program builder who
isn't a great game coach. And Miami has one of
those guys in Mario Cristobal. Program builder, not a game,
great game coach. But what college football has become at
the end of it? Come on, Brady, that was that's tacky.
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You don't think there's any anything class list in that.
You're forty nine twenty on a bad Stafford team and
you're throwing the zone first.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Off, No one. I wouldn't say that. I would say
they were up. I think it was forty two.
Speaker 8 (23:48):
Where your record sign Well.
Speaker 6 (23:50):
They ended up winning forty nine to twenty, so I
think you're look at the five block score gore.
Speaker 8 (23:53):
In the end.
Speaker 9 (23:54):
They didn't score in the end. They were trying to
look Well.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
Here's what I say, though, is if you have a
common opponent, which Miami and Notre Dame do, and the
entire speculation is about, you know, how you're comparing these
two teams, it kind of matters, right, and you can
make the same.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
Case about Syracuse.
Speaker 9 (24:11):
That's the point.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
Okay, okay, but but hold on, you could say the
same thing about the Syracuse game. The difference was they
had backups in almost the entire second half, and so
at some point you want your backups too, to get
experience throwing the football down the field and doing things
like I actually thought, and Ohio State doesn't.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
They're in no matter what they're in, they're in, right.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
I thought Ryan Day got conservative in the second half.
I wanted to see him throw more shots down the
field at the end of the game because they had
the opportunity to do so, and they didn't. They just
kind of kept running the football to run the clock out.
So you're talking to the wrong guy. Because I love
in some of these ribvalry games and their name Stanford.
There's there's a little more there than I think people
lead on because Stanford hasn't been as competitive late.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
But there's no love loss there.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
There's no love loss between you know, different universities like that.
Speaker 6 (24:59):
Especially in the way coach.
Speaker 9 (25:00):
If I'm on that, if I'm on that Stanford team,
I'm putting a forum in somebody's face and saying, Okay,
you want to do this, and we're going to do that.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
We're gonna go ahead and do it. Go ahead and
do it, and.
Speaker 9 (25:09):
What happens is you I mean, you just it's Brady,
it's not worth it. It's just not worth it. If
you need that extra touchdown to go to the playoffs
and that then the whole system is best stopped. That's
all I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
Well, again, it's it's not the system that you're accustomed
to in the NFL, and so because of that, you know,
you have to look at it a little bit differently
because you've got a twelve person committee that decides who
goes and who doesn't.
Speaker 9 (25:33):
Well, I get it, and that's the problem. That's part
of the problem.
Speaker 6 (25:36):
It's part of the part of the intrum though too.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
Like no one's talking about the NFL as much right
now because there's not as.
Speaker 9 (25:41):
Much cost off to talk about.
Speaker 8 (25:43):
Stop it, Brady.
Speaker 6 (25:44):
You know, I'm just saying we're not. We haven't talked
about it really once at all. Today. You just mentioned
the game's stunk on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
I can confirm that the game.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
I mean, yeah, well, let's let let's talk about Atlanta
the Jets, right Torod Taylor and the Jet We.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
Do want to talk about it.
Speaker 9 (25:58):
I bet you were talking about it on Friday when
you have three games on Thursday, but you were you
weren't working on Friday.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
I was yeah, okay, dang, why are you taking shots?
Speaker 6 (26:08):
Pete?
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Let that man live. He was up with big news, right.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
We we held it down that there's three of.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
Them, happy twenty five years.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
If he comes out, fire a.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Dang, Pete. He came all so jovial. Now you've turned
into the curmudgeon.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
He can I ask you about speaking of pro Okay,
go go go get him.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
God wait, John come out.
Speaker 9 (26:32):
I'm getting these tweets at me with reference and Jonas
saying you got to get all over him because all
he does is sit in that sitting in that show
and rip on the Jacksonville market and Jaguars al boring.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
It's a boring teams to boring franchise. When they play
half their games in London, nobody cares.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
It's true.
Speaker 8 (26:49):
No, they played.
Speaker 9 (26:50):
No, they play half their games in London because they
make a lot of money playing their games in London.
They play one game in London, by the way, it's
look the bottom line, we played two this year last year,
no to last year. But and and they are building
a new stadium and they're going to be half of them.
Speaker 8 (27:04):
They're going to play in Orlando in a couple of
years for a year.
Speaker 9 (27:07):
So but look, the bottom line is, look, they're not
a good team. But like I said last night, after
all the shows, who the hell is any damn good?
I mean, really, when you look at the NFL, who's
any good right now?
Speaker 6 (27:17):
But if you look, I would I would have said
the Rams until that nil?
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Right?
Speaker 9 (27:23):
Is the Denver?
Speaker 8 (27:24):
Are they in New England? Are those the good teams?
Speaker 9 (27:26):
Denver was pushed to the limit last night by a
crappy Washington team. I mean, they all have flaws and
that's that's why the playoffs are so wide open. But
right now, nobody's any good. But but Jonas, I'm telling
you that Jacksonville market is coming after you. They are.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
Oh wow, I mean, listen, who cares. There's like four
fans there, there's four fans there.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
They're still you have no you have no idea.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
There's the home. Who's got the beach house? It's not
too far in all that.
Speaker 9 (27:53):
Good it's a good market.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
You're crazy. I thought.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
Jacksonville, by the way, I love going there. You know,
it's an awesome place. And actually, buddy, who is raising
his family down there. He loves it too.
Speaker 9 (28:08):
But Brady, here's the problem with the market and Jonas
right now, they're so jaded because of everything they've been
through over the years.
Speaker 8 (28:14):
I mean, think about it.
Speaker 9 (28:15):
They've had a lot of crappy teams, So from that standpoint,
you're right. But when they're winning, it's a really good market.
I promise you. I'll go with Seattle's market before they
started winning.
Speaker 6 (28:28):
Well, it depends on how far you go back. Like
some people love that market back in the day with
Jim Zorn.
Speaker 9 (28:34):
And year lost and it wasn't good and now it's great.
It's you know, it might be one of the best
markets in the league. And winning matters.
Speaker 6 (28:43):
Winning matters, success matters. I think that you're really going
out on a limb with that take there.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Pete, Well, the legacy franchise, why are you going on,
my boy Prisco like that?
Speaker 3 (28:54):
God? Thanks, I just draw.
Speaker 9 (28:56):
No matter what.
Speaker 8 (28:57):
You know that the legacy franchises, I mean you you
for one. I mean there's those old.
Speaker 9 (29:01):
Time franchises They'll draw no matter who's playing at that stadium.
So but Miami, Miami has a hard time drawing. I
mean they do.
Speaker 8 (29:08):
That's reality.
Speaker 6 (29:09):
Have we seen enough of to get a sense for
for what he is?
Speaker 3 (29:16):
God?
Speaker 9 (29:17):
No, I think he needs to play. I think he
needs to play the rest of the season. You know
what you haven't doing. He's not the answer, and so
far Shador has been not the answer. He's been okay,
and so.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Let him so far not the answer.
Speaker 8 (29:31):
Let him play.
Speaker 9 (29:32):
I don't think he I think I think they know
deep down that neither one of those guys is the
long term answer.
Speaker 8 (29:37):
So he'll play the rest he should play the rest
of the way. I let him play the rest of
the way, and I.
Speaker 9 (29:42):
Go into the draft. They have two first round picks
next year, and you can make a move to go
get a quarterback if you have to, if you're not
need the top. And I think that's what they need
to do. Do you guys think Shador Sanders is the
long term answer? You think Dylan Gabriel is a long
term answer?
Speaker 8 (29:54):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
I don't. I don't know, but I need to see more.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
I'd like to see more from from really both to them,
quite frankly, but I do feel like it's perfect timing
that he gets into.
Speaker 6 (30:05):
What Yeah, I mean that's true. Yes, you can't play
the song he sepline the scenes there.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
It was a great, great pool though, I'll say that.
Speaker 8 (30:16):
What do you guys think? What do you think, LeVar?
Speaker 9 (30:18):
Do you think he's played himself into the spot where
he should be the long term answer a quarterback?
Speaker 6 (30:21):
Yeah, LeVar? What do you think? They can't ask us?
What do you think? LeVar?
Speaker 2 (30:25):
And that's an interesting way of Q sitting there turning
this into.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
That what he just did ask me?
Speaker 2 (30:32):
I think he had some bright moments in the game yesterday.
I think he gave them a little bit of a charged,
a little bit of a little boost.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
But it just was not enough.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
It wasn't enough for them to be effective enough to score.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
More than what they did.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
I know, we give as Miles Garrett continues to get
to the quarterback and do amazing things. I think that
that their defense doesn't do well enough for any quarterback
to be really judged at the level of can they
be the guy or not? Like, I don't feel like
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any quarterback isn't in spite of quarterback for the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
I just I don't see it that way. So whether
we all made.
Speaker 9 (31:22):
The decision on doing Gabriel already, I haven't I.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Have not made a decision.
Speaker 6 (31:27):
I thought.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
I thought it. No, I did not.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
I feel like in order to get an idea of
what somebody can be, they should have time. But he
went out due to an injury. He went out due
to an injury. They felt like they wanted to see
what Shador Sanders could do. So which one do you
give the time to do it? I don't know. Is
it a recipe for success for either one of them?
(31:52):
I would say no, because the team isn't good enough
for you to leverage it that way. So I feel
like they're both want to get a bum rap out
of the situation. Neither one of them are in a
advantageous situation.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
That's what I would say.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Whether they're good enough to be a starting quarterback at
the pro level or not. I mean, both of them
have started, but can they be successful. I don't know
that they'll get that opportunity in Cleveland, is what I
would say.
Speaker 9 (32:19):
So I would say I would say I would lean
to a hard no.
Speaker 8 (32:22):
On both of them.
Speaker 6 (32:23):
On that Pete.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
On that note, do you feel like Stefanski is out
after this year?
Speaker 9 (32:28):
I think thinks he's out after this year, And I
think Stefanski thinks he's out.
Speaker 8 (32:32):
After this year. He might get a job somewhere else.
Speaker 9 (32:34):
I really do. I mean, don't you think he's going
to get a job somewhere else.
Speaker 5 (32:38):
I mean, he would be on the top of my
list based on what he's done various ten years a
head coach throughout the NFL. And I again, you know
people might bock at that, but the truth of the
matter is he's been a multiple year, you know, multiple
time you know, coach of the year and that doesn't
just fall off trees for you in the NFL.
Speaker 9 (32:59):
So and he got straddled, I mean saddled with that
that quarterback that he didn't want to well, the owner
made him. The owner made him do that. They made
him go trade for the quarterback. They gave away a
ton of assets for for that guy, and and he won.
He won that good to begin with, he was okay,
And you traded all those assets and gave him that
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guaranteed money and the team went to toilet after that.
That's that's basically what happened. They had Baker Mayfield and
Baker Mayfield got hurt that one year. Remember Baker Mayfield
was really good early in his career and then he
got hurt.
Speaker 8 (33:32):
They didn't.
Speaker 9 (33:33):
There was no patience with him, and they sent him packing.
They made a major mistake. And once you made the
major mistake against from what I understood against coaches will,
then you're never going to have a good team and
you're never going to a successful team anymore. And that
was the problem.
Speaker 6 (33:45):
Pete Prisco.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
Keep it in that same division. What are you seeing
from the Pittsburgh Steelers specifically on offense?
Speaker 9 (33:53):
Well, Rodgers was sitting at that bench, sitting there going,
oh my god, why did I come back for this garbage?
I mean, did you see his nose is all broke
and it's he's got cuts all over it. He's bleeding,
and he looked like his hand is broke. I mean,
you don't think at any moment he's sitting on the sideline,
sitting there all swumped over going what the hell am
I doing? Guys aren't running the right route? He said.
(34:15):
It looks like there's some friction between you know that
what's going on between the play calling and the and
the and the coaching and the and the and what's
being run. I mean, it's a disaster. And and look.
Speaker 6 (34:26):
Because he always have to throw someone under the bus though,
Like I'm pretty sure you threw John O. Smith under
the bus at one point. It's just I feel like
it's like he always to air someone out after the
game instead of just moving, you know, trying to get
through the interview to move on.
Speaker 9 (34:41):
You know, that's that's him. You know, he's always going
to throw somebody else under the bus. If he's going down,
he's taking people with him.
Speaker 8 (34:46):
That's who. That's what Aaron Rodgers is going to do.
Speaker 9 (34:48):
But they're they're not very good. I mean they the Buffalo.
Speaker 8 (34:51):
Bills ran for forty yards or whatever yesterday.
Speaker 9 (34:55):
I mean, my god, with two backup tackles. The Steelers
aren't good. But amazing thing is is neither are the
Ravens right now. Lamar Jackson struggling. I mean that team
is struggling in a big way too. Nobody what if
the Bengals got on a heater. I mean, what if
the Bengals and Joe Burrow got on a heater. I
don't think it's gonna happen, but I mean, look at
look at them. Yeah, I mean they'd be fun to watch.
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Those other two teams right now aren't fun to watch,
that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Well, it's possible that they could because the division is
in flux, but the stick I have.
Speaker 8 (35:28):
To build this week, that's going to be a tough
game for Buffalo.
Speaker 9 (35:31):
I mean, and if they lose, if they lose one more,
they're pretty much done.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Buffalo is Doctor Jekyl mister Hyde. They they have not
been consistent and consistent enough to call them what I
would say, a top elite team. They just don't know
if they hit their ceiling, I just don't know. And
that's and it's so crazy because what this conversation led
me to and and pre pre pre show notes and
(35:56):
thoughts was this is the one of the more competitive
seasons of coach of the year and because there are
no teams that are considerably better than the rest. I mean,
I look at the Broncos, I look at the Patriots
and what's being done there.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
I look at what's taking place in Chicago.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
I look at some of these teams and like, even
with the Miko Ryans in Texas, what he's been able
to do with that team, What Kyle Shanahan has been
able to do with what he's got going on in
San Francisco. While I'll say I don't feel like there's
a pronounced dominant team in the league right now. I
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feel like you're seeing who the good coaches are, who's
bringing that that acumen and that element to that level
of expertise to the table. And it's I feel like
that's been pretty cool to watch. Like I would have
never thought that Ben Johnson could turn it around as
quickly as he did in Chicago. Ever would have thought
(37:00):
I'd be talking about the Bears being you know where
they are right now, and so with a quarterback with
quarterback play too. By the way, I just so you know,
I feel like it's a coach this year more so
than it is a team, like a dominant team. It's
more so like getting through the elements of what you
have going on. None, none have done it better than
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Kyle Shanahan. If you ask me, I'm.
Speaker 9 (37:24):
With you on Kyle Shanahan. By the way, I think
Kylin Shanahan has never won Coach of the Year.
Speaker 8 (37:27):
He's finished the runner up twice.
Speaker 9 (37:29):
And to me, well, and I said that last night
on our So Kyle Shanahan has done an amazing job
with that team this year.
Speaker 8 (37:34):
It really has, I mean, all the.
Speaker 9 (37:36):
Injuries, navigating through everything that's happened over there. He's done
a fantastic job. He's in the conversation you mentioned Ben Johnson,
He's in that conversation. Mike Brabel for sure, and Liam
Cohen if they win the division, he's in the conversation.
You're right, some of these coaches have done amazing jobs
with their teams. And but Kyle Shanahan. Look, we've all
we know Kyle Shanahan a health coach.
Speaker 8 (37:57):
We know that.
Speaker 9 (37:58):
But this year they're nine and four, or they play
coming out of their buy, they play the Titans at home.
They should win that to get to ten. If they
win one more game, that team is going to win
eleven games and have gone beat the Rams on the
road with Mac Jones, I mean that that tells you
where they are as a as an organization. But a
Kyle shana has done an amazing job.
Speaker 5 (38:18):
Pete, give me a team that might surprise us that
at this juncture of the season you were out on.
Speaker 6 (38:25):
You're just like I just I'm not a believer.
Speaker 5 (38:27):
I don't think it could be obviously the Chiefs who
lost on Thanksgiving. It could be a number of teams.
Maybe it's the Eagles, you know, who lost to Jonas's Bears. Well,
we kind of just referenced with Ben Johnson. Give me
a team that you're at, maybe maybe the coolest. I
don't know what team though. Are you kind of saying like,
I'm out, I think they're going to fall apart the
rest of the season.
Speaker 9 (38:48):
Well, I mean, the Chiefs can't afford one more loss,
so basically they're there, They've already fallen apart, So you know,
I don't they can't lose one more game if they're done.
And so there, I'm a major, majorly concerned about that team.
But who's going to fall apart? That's playing well, right,
and that we thought was what the colts of the
team to keep an eye on.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
I mean, they've lost.
Speaker 9 (39:11):
Three of four and when you look at it, they
go to Jacksonville this week. They've never ever won there
since twenty fourteen. They have to go play the Texans
on the road again, and so I just I don't know,
I'm worried about that team.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
Is there anybody to blame specifically on that team that
you look at and go, that's that's a real issue
for them moving forward?
Speaker 9 (39:30):
No, I mean, Daniel Jones has been okay, I mean
he's turned the ball over.
Speaker 8 (39:34):
He didn't turn it over on Sunday.
Speaker 9 (39:35):
But sometimes in this league, you are what you are.
Speaker 8 (39:42):
I mean, let's be real, I mean, you are what
you are.
Speaker 9 (39:47):
And so they lost three or four and they were
riding high. And now, look, we don't know what Sauce
Gardner's injury is. I mean, all of a sudden, Jacksonville
was the first place in that division. If they beat
him in that game, then they're in real trouble. So yeah,
I'd say the Colts will be the one I'm worried about.
I didn't like Brady. I'm glad you referenced the Eagles
because they.
Speaker 8 (40:06):
Got maulled in the run game the other day. What
the hell was that?
Speaker 9 (40:09):
I mean, they got pushed all Chicago ran it right
down their throat and they couldn't do a thing about it.
And that's not a good luck that the calling card
for the Eagles has always been dominant on those lines
and they're dominant on neither right now.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
Yeah, well you've been dominant, Pete for over twenty five years.
And congratulations again. And Pete Prisco senior NFL columnists or
CBS Sports, CBS Sports HQ analysts you can get them
on ex at Prisco CBS. Let's do it again next week, Pete.
Speaker 9 (40:36):
We will and Jacksonville's coming for you, Jonas. They got
you and your son right in their site. Buddy, damn it.
Speaker 6 (40:46):
That's a problem. Thanks Pete, thank you got a big
time problem.
This is the best of two pros and a couple
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Hey, let me ask you all this. After watching the game,
I said to myself, I've seen the number two team
play in person, I've seen the number one team play.
I don't think it's close. I think Ohio State is
in the league of their own as a team. I
don't think there's one team that's even close to Ohio State.
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But with that being said, we get to see number
one and number two. I think in the first time
in history that that number one number two are going
to play in the championship game, at least in the
Big ten. I'm not sure one which one is the
history of it all or whatever, but anyways, one in
a two. I think this is a This is a
super super big game for Kirk Signetty because of the
(00:58):
clout out involved in this game.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
If he were to be able to win this game.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
I don't see anyone being able to beat Ohio State
this year. I don't I don't know how they've gotten
so good and how the gap is is what it is.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
This year's academic people want.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
To do maybe that's what it is man that that
high standard of how they do it.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
I don't know, but whatever it.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Is, it's working, and it just it appears to be
a gap, like you can you can walk with Ohio
State in the first half, but they eventually walk you
down and then walk away.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
And they've done it all.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Year long, like they have pretty much hammered everybody within
the same face unless it was a team that just
wasn't good. Otherwise, if it was a good team, they
walk you down. I just don't I think it's interesting
to see what what Kirk Signetti and this Indiana team
will be able to do. I don't I don't think
that they have enough to be able to handle or
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deal with Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
But I could be wrong. And I find it to
be an intriguing.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Matchup because you know that that is their team that
you could say is it's a hot team.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
They've found a way to always.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Win and and and now here's a matchup to see
who wins the conference the conference title.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
Yeah, I think it's an interesting question because I don't
know that Indiana has a lot of weaknesses and I
think we we kind of or some people look back
on last year and go, yeah, well, well is Indiana
like who they played? They haven't played the toughest competitions.
The dude, they won an Oregon, they won in Penn
State in the final moments. They've bludgeoned everyone else they've played.
I mean literally, it's it's not really been close.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Then that includes like a good Illinois team who was
eight and four this year be eligible.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
And they had to play Ohio State. They had to play.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
You know, I see a really tough schedule and you
start kind of combing it through and I mean maybe.
Speaker 6 (02:56):
Say, well, Iowa, you know they was that was a
tight game.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Also on the road, like they had a really difficult schedule,
and they answered the bell every single time. And no
one's playing if you want to say, join, Sayan's playing
at a Heisman level.
Speaker 6 (03:11):
So is Francisco Mendoza.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
I mean it's you just you look at what he's
doing and you just say, okay, like Fernando, excuse me,
you look at what he's doing right now and say
and then even the receivers, their receivers are just as productive.
Omar Cooper Junior who made the great catch US Penn State,
and Elijah Surat both those guys are playing at equal
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to a level of what Carnel Tate and Jeremi Smith.
Now I'm not saying they're gonna be viewed as the
same prospects when they are getting drafted like Carnel ta
first round, Jeremi Smith first round. I don't know if
I can say that for Surrat and Cooper Jr. But
you match these teams up, they are about as even
as as you can get. And I think the only
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thing I've become concerned by is the ability for Indiana
to run the football. And if they can, you know,
can they protect quite as well? And I think that's
what got exposed a little bit at Penn State. And
now I'll say this, what they needed to protect, they
did and they were able to find a way of
winning that game. But that was one of those games
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where you're kind of watching and going all right, like,
maybe this is a little bit of that weakness. But
I mean, they were well coached, they're sound, they don't
make mistakes.
Speaker 6 (04:27):
I think it's to be a hell of a game,
I really do. Between these two teams.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I know you can't bring up prior years, but I'm
going to. I just feel like we felt this way
in a lot of ways about India and last year,
and then they got into that playoff game.
Speaker 6 (04:45):
But they didn't play one. They didn't play one last year.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
And I get that, and I know you laid that
out very nicely. Different quarterbacks you gave. It is a
different quarterback.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
I just think program wise, it still it matters be
stated that when they got up against a real team
in the playoff they got spanked.
Speaker 6 (05:05):
Well, they they got spanked by Ohio State. Last year
they played, they played.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
They haven't played Ohio State yet this year.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Wilbert the Cigarette, I would.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Be I would not be shocked if if Ohio State
mollywops Indiana and in this game, I would not be.
I would not be shocked if they did. That's all
I'm saying. I've seen both him.
Speaker 6 (05:31):
The might be that good this year.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
The Ohio State. I think it's that good.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Be that good this year. I think Ohio State is
that good. I really do. I mean, I ain't gonna
hold them. I really think Ohio State is that good.
I don't know who's close to them. That's that's and
and going and hit stretch.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
If you go back and look at the film, that's
like yesterday's or Saturday's game, like.
Speaker 6 (05:54):
There's some things where there were some weaknesses there.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
You know, Michigan was kind of attacking this to C
and D gaps and the outside edge, and they got
away from it and it was effective, like they were
they knocked off.
Speaker 6 (06:03):
Some big runs.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
They were moving to football early doing that, and honestly
didn't think it wasn't like Ohio State did it much
to adjust to it. It felt like it was a
bit more of just Michigan getting away from it, which
has been always my griper issue with Chip Lindsay's I
just I've never really loved watching his tape and feeling
like the offense is able to stand to a rhythm.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
So I don't know, I'm not sure how.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Staked the same thing running the ball early. They had
success early against Ohio State, look look promising. And then
and then Ohio State turned on the Willy beaming Willy
Beaman reactor juice like they just they just disappeared like
just out of the air, gone like second half. I
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don't know what their adjustments were at the halftime or
or if they just wore down what we had going on,
but just seeing what they did in the second half
was like they they they started airing it out even
more because they aired it out early in the game.
But they started they I mean, they came out airing
it out. I just I think their ability to be
able to score when they want to score. Ohio State
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they can, they can. I just don't think their guys
are are coverable and they have a good compliment in
the run game and their defense play. I just don't
know that there's a team I watched Georgia play, I
watched Alabama play like. I just don't know.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Their feel like their best is way better than anybody else's.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
That's that's I mean in my my estimation, in my estimation,
and it's going to be interesting to see that a
team that that was just described the same way that
that Brady just described them, which I feel is accurate.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
This is an.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Indiana team that matches up well, that has a team.
They got, they got victories, they they have reason to
believe that this can be a game. I just don't
think that they're that close to being that good as
Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
I don't be interesting to see if Kirk Signetty gets
this win. That talk about a heavy ass feather because
I ain't never heard of a feather being heavy, but
that's a heavy feather in his cat.
Speaker 6 (08:13):
Good point.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
I mean, I know we're gonna talk about lank fifty.
That's a big old bitch there.
Speaker 6 (08:18):
Boss.
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Speaker 4 (09:04):
And it's official. Lane Kiffin is now the head coach
of the LSU Tigers. Congratulations to everybody in Baton Rouge.
Speaker 6 (09:15):
You've got your guy.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Talk about it paid off of hard, hard work, Dylan.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
So I think I think in order to do this properly,
and we don't like to get too overextended with all
this stuff. There's different ways of looking at and talking
about this. I think the first thing I'll just generally ask,
why do you guys feel like he left ole Miss?
Speaker 2 (09:37):
It's a great question that I've been asking myself the
entire time. Did they offer because it's always the bottom line.
It has to be the bottom line. Like at the
end of the day, you could say, oh, I love
being here and they loved you and this, that and
the other. But when when it comes down to you
being a coach or being paid for service that you do,
(09:58):
that's exactly what it is. It's a nervis you're being
paid to do. So it's the bottom line to me,
what did.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Do we know?
Speaker 2 (10:05):
What what ole Miss offered him? I mean twelve million
a year? Did they come close to the twelve million
for more than it's One of.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
The reports was there was something similar to Florida and
LSU's offer.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
It was similar, which what does that mean?
Speaker 5 (10:21):
Well, which which it was twelve million, but with incentives
it gets close to like fourteen from LSU, which gets
you around seven years almost.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
One hundred million, and that's where I kind of first go.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
You can say you would have matched, but you didn't,
or if I mean or you didn't overpay either you
didn't spend.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
That's the first thing I thought, We'll pay you fifteen.
It's the bottom line. Like whatever, whatever he heard and
the offers, I think if Old Miss put an offer
out there that was was the same as LSU's, I
think he stays at Old Miss. I really did I did.
I think he does, because here's the thing. They're about
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to go into a college football playoff, and who's to
say that if Lane Kiffin is the head coach of
this team, that they don't make a run for the championship.
Who's to say they don't win the championship.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
It's a valid question, and we'll get to that because
I do think there's something I want to point out
as another layer of this, but join us.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Why do you think that I think that he views
himself as bigger than ole Miss?
Speaker 6 (11:32):
I think he. I think in the back of his
mind he views Ole Miss as a.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Second tier program to a place like LSU in Florida.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
Okay, so in what regard though, I'll tell you, because
I think it's on this regard, I think, financially with
what LSU is offering and probably not what Ole Miss
will offer, because one of the underlying things is you
heard about the contract. What seven years twelve million, but
up to fourteen with incentives that gets you around ninety
eight million. There's also supposedly a commitment of thirty five
(12:03):
million a year in nil and recruiting. So the difference
between whatever Brian Kelly left for and what did or
did not happen was largely tied to Brian Kelly not
wanting to recruit.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
I mean, having money is one thing.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
Being able to actually go out recruit the kids, everything
else that's a whole different thing. So now you've got
a guy who is going to recruit, who does have
the money and does have the offensive acumen. So I
think it's the money combined with what Jonas just touched on.
He feels like and then we're talking about the greatest
season in Old Miss history, the greatest run of success.
Speaker 6 (12:41):
In Old Miss history.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
And what's interesting about Lane making this decision is he
feels like they're probably at their ceiling now, you can use,
which is kind of crazy when you look at Indiana
for example, what Kurt Signetti has done Vanderbilt, what Clark
Lee has done, some of these other schools that you
look at, how these other coaches have made them into
what I think we believe to be playoff contenders, the
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ability to take compete for a national championship. You know,
is that sustainable in the long term. We're gonna find
out it's a year two of Kurt Signetti. You know,
Clark Leeve has been there for a little bit building
this thing up. But after Diego Pavia leaves, what's that
offense going to look like? I mean, it wasn't like
it was offensive, you know, prowess for for Vanderbilt. At
times it's just Diego Pavia making a play, you know,
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the play after the play when he starts to scramble
round or takes off and runs on pass play, So we.
Speaker 6 (13:35):
Get to see a real view of what that's going
to look like.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
And I think Jonas to your point, like Lane Kiffin
believes LSU is gonna be able to win a national
championship easier than what Ole Miss is gonna be able
to do.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
He's in position to win one right now. They don't,
which I think is the most preposterous thing you get
to be button.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Do you think he.
Speaker 6 (13:55):
Believes that though, because I also feel like he doesn't
believe that if he's choosing the leave, if he really
thought they had a shot, if he really thought they
had a shot.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
And I guess I'll just bring this up now. They've
never been a good defensive team. A Lane Kiffin coach
team has never been a good defensive team.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
They weren't at SC, they weren't at FAU.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
I think I think it's high water marks, like third
or fifth in any conference he's been in defensively. And
I'm going back to what conference USA for FAU. You
can look at Ole mess They've never been good defensively.
They've never been well the high ranked defensively, if you
really want to make the comparison. And I did this
(14:39):
to you guys last week, Lincoln Riley and Lane Kiffin
are not that far apart. And Lincoln Riley was in
a much better situation, or left a much better situation
at Oklahoma than where Lane Kiffins had to kind of
jump around to different programs and build those things back up.
Speaker 6 (14:58):
But neither has.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
Ever been able to fully coach a dominant football team.
They've always been great offensively. They've always had guys you
can say, oh, they might be in the Heisman, you know,
a heismand conversation, or you know, Lincoln rather has coached
some Heisman winners. It's just been purely offensive football. They've
never been teams who said, man that defense though.
Speaker 6 (15:21):
It's never been.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Things I think he's set up for. I mean, listen,
at this point, it doesn't I guess it doesn't really
matter if you underperform once you've pluy, once you've coached
well enough to get the type of contracts Elaine Kiffin.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Has just has just gotten reportedly.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
So to me, it's like, I don't I think he
will fall in the same type of category as as
Kelly did. I think a lot of times that's what's
going to happen. You get these large contracts, but you're
probably never going to outperform the amount of money that
that university is going to pay you. I don't think
he will. Whether he gets a defense in Baton Rouge
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or not, I don't think he will.
Speaker 8 (16:06):
Now.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
As far as him believing what he has right now
and can he do it and is his defense good enough,
all I would say is it's led to him getting
this moment. It's led to him getting this contract, and
to me, that's bigger than him winning the national title.
Like as a as a professional, his his job, occupation
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and his performance led to him getting the ultimate reward,
which is a contract that pays him the type of
money that he's going to get paid. So whether he
believed it or not, I guess it's immateial because he's
gotten the results that that he would want to have,
whether it came from LSU, whether it came from Ole Miss.
(16:49):
He got what he wanted. So I don't I think
you got to let the guy play it out. That's
what I say. You got to let him play it out.
Like I'm not gonna I'm not going to spike myself.
I'm not going to punish my university in my team
by saying, Okay, he chose to leave, he's gonna leave
after this. There's a respect factor there between him and
his players. And the way Lane Kiffin comes across, he
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probably allowed his guys behind the scenes or behind the
curtain of what he was thinking and that we don't
need to let this be a deterrent or distraction of
what's going on. We all got things to do he had.
He very much has that type of personality. You let them,
you let them catch try to finish what they did.
He didn't say I'm taking a job and I'm leaving.
(17:32):
He said they told him they relieved him of his
duties when he said he was going to take.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
The job out of LSU.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
I don't think that was wise at all on old
Missus Park to do that.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
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Speaker 4 (17:53):
And right now it is time for a Monday tradition
here on the show. He's the smooth operator. He is
Pete Prisco, senior NFL columnist for CBS Sports, CBS Sports
HQ Analyst And if you want some of that smoke
on X you can get it at Prisco CBS. Pete,
good morning.
Speaker 9 (18:15):
What's up, guys?
Speaker 3 (18:15):
How are you morning?
Speaker 6 (18:17):
Are you sun? Very fresh, rejuvenated? Pete? You know I
had a nice Thanksgiving us sounds like.
Speaker 9 (18:23):
Yeah, it was a you know, it's a good football weekend,
long football weekend, and they took all the good games
and put them on Thursday, and then we ended up
with what we had to watch on Sunday, which was
a lot of bad football.
Speaker 6 (18:33):
Yeah, yeah, that's what Jonas wants to talk about today.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
So yeah, I'm sure he's excited. Opened up the gateway
to talking NFL.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Same old material. Keep on recycling that one, Pete. I
do have a question for you. You'd know twenty five
years you've been at CBS Sports twenty five years. Congratulations,
And how did you make it twenty five years there?
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Well?
Speaker 9 (19:00):
I had to put up with a lot of guys
like Brady Quinn over the years, so that that made
it a little challenge. I had a lot of really
good people to work around me. I've met a lot
of people I've worked with. I've become friends with Brady
being included in that. And look, it's I changed. When
I went there in two thousand. It was an online
writing site and I was a writer, and we adjusted,
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you know, and everything went to video and I had
to adjust, and I think I adjusted pretty well. So
you know, you got to you gotta change. That's the
one thing. If people always ask me, what would you
do to go into this business? If you're going to
this business. Now, I'd say a specialize in a sport
if you're a young person, you know, become an expert
or or you really focus in on that sport and
(19:43):
be be yourself. And I think that's that's kind of
carried me where I am is I've always been myself.
I'm not I'm not afraid to put an opinion out there.
I'm not afraid to challenge a player or a coach.
And that's been that way my entire career. So and
and look, put out good content and I think people
will follow you. And then the third most important thing,
(20:04):
You don't want anybody to not love.
Speaker 8 (20:06):
You or hate you. Be either.
Speaker 9 (20:09):
Don't be in the middle. If you're in the middle,
you're never going to get an audience. And I think
that's the biggest key to the whole thing.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
Uh, that's a great scread advice.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
I'm just curious to have you chime in on, like
what you think about the whole Wayne Kevin stuff because
it seems to be a pretty I mean, we got
Bill Kawer talking about it on CBS like postgame halftime show.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
What's your take on him leaving Old Miss to go
at LSU.
Speaker 9 (20:32):
I mean, he didn't leave for more money. That's the
weird thing about it. But it's a better situation, Brady.
You know you're involved in it. The nil thing, the
collective and all that. That's where it's at. If you
got a better if the school has a better opportunity
to get players, you're going to go there. And they
have a better opportunity to get players at LSU from
what I understand now, I don't know the details of it,
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but you would know better than me. But I think
that's the case. And if that's the case, you take
the job. We don't know this. Look the greatest Bill
Belchie might arguably be one of the great coaches of
all time, and luka his keam did why because you
didn't have the players. You gotta It's a player's game.
The players win. If you have the players, you're gonna win.
And it doesn't matter who the hell the coach is.
I mean, you gotta have players. If you don't have players,
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I don't care who he is. He's not winning, So
I think he made the right decision from that standpoint.
If the collective is better now you know better than
I do, isn't it Brady?
Speaker 6 (21:22):
Is it better at LSU, Well, it sounds like they've
got deeper pockets there.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
I also would take issue with the fact that there
wasn't more money on the table. I think there was
a talk of them matching, but it doesn't sound like
maybe that became the case when you look at the
entire incentive package as well, and what ELSEU is willing
to give him along with the money for ANIL. So
I think in totality that package, what he's being compensated,
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the NIL stuff, along with the resources they're wanting to
put into it, probably was better for LSU. And that's
why probably Nick Saban and Pete Carroll, some of the
guys Kifvin referenced, probably told him to go tell you
that if you once win a national championship, who all
have a better chance to do so?
Speaker 6 (22:03):
There?
Speaker 9 (22:04):
Yeah, I mean, look, and these coaches now are getting
fired with tons of years on their on their contracts
to look, if I'm not mistake and Mark Stoops is
out now, are going to be out and if he
dous out? Yeah, yeah, thirty three million dollars left on
that contract, wasn't it. A couple of years ago he
was threatened to go to A and M and they
decided to keep him, and now he's out. I mean,
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these schools don't care anymore. Just you know, if there's
that much money on the contract, they're gonna get rid
of him. And so it's a whole different ballgame college
football right now, you know what? And by the way,
I saw asleep watching your Alma monitor the other night
and then won't back up again. Brady, what has college
football come down to where your team has taken Shaunton
to the end zone up forty nine? I mean, come on,
(22:48):
that's a bit in Miami. I think the Miami score
a touchdown with on the second throw on the second
to last play of the game for a touchdown.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
No, it's a great question. I was going to ask
the same thing about Arizona. Who's beating the drums int
of Arizona State? Like what were they doing, you know,
for the Territorial Cup?
Speaker 8 (23:03):
Like what happened to be?
Speaker 9 (23:04):
What? They're back to being what they are again, which
is an eight.
Speaker 6 (23:07):
Degree yeah forks, But put you're forked out and don't
watch there's a stake get blasted.
Speaker 9 (23:13):
No. No, look, look, I'm not going to sit here
and pump up Arizona State. They're playing with the backup
quarterback is not very good a And you know, hi,
I don't. I think Dillingham is a program builder who
isn't a great game coach. And Miami has one of
those guys in Mario Cristobal. Program builder, not a game,
great game coach. But what college football has become at
the end of it? Come on, Brady, that was that's tacky.
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You don't think there's any anything class list in that.
You're forty nine twenty on a bad Stafford team and
you're throwing the zone first.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Off, No one. I wouldn't say that. I would say
they were up. I think it was forty two.
Speaker 8 (23:48):
Where your record sign Well.
Speaker 6 (23:50):
They ended up winning forty nine to twenty, so I
think you're look at the five block score gore.
Speaker 8 (23:53):
In the end.
Speaker 9 (23:54):
They didn't score in the end. They were trying to
look Well.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
Here's what I say, though, is if you have a
common opponent, which Miami and Notre Dame do, and the
entire speculation is about, you know, how you're comparing these
two teams, it kind of matters, right, and you can
make the same.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
Case about Syracuse.
Speaker 9 (24:11):
That's the point.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
Okay, okay, but but hold on, you could say the
same thing about the Syracuse game. The difference was they
had backups in almost the entire second half, and so
at some point you want your backups too, to get
experience throwing the football down the field and doing things
like I actually thought, and Ohio State doesn't.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
They're in no matter what they're in, they're in, right.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
I thought Ryan Day got conservative in the second half.
I wanted to see him throw more shots down the
field at the end of the game because they had
the opportunity to do so, and they didn't. They just
kind of kept running the football to run the clock out.
So you're talking to the wrong guy. Because I love
in some of these ribvalry games and their name Stanford.
There's there's a little more there than I think people
lead on because Stanford hasn't been as competitive late.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
But there's no love loss there.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
There's no love loss between you know, different universities like that.
Speaker 6 (24:59):
Especially in the way coach.
Speaker 9 (25:00):
If I'm on that, if I'm on that Stanford team,
I'm putting a forum in somebody's face and saying, Okay,
you want to do this, and we're going to do that.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
We're gonna go ahead and do it. Go ahead and
do it, and.
Speaker 9 (25:09):
What happens is you I mean, you just it's Brady,
it's not worth it. It's just not worth it. If
you need that extra touchdown to go to the playoffs
and that then the whole system is best stopped. That's
all I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
Well, again, it's it's not the system that you're accustomed
to in the NFL, and so because of that, you know,
you have to look at it a little bit differently
because you've got a twelve person committee that decides who
goes and who doesn't.
Speaker 9 (25:33):
Well, I get it, and that's the problem. That's part
of the problem.
Speaker 6 (25:36):
It's part of the part of the intrum though too.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
Like no one's talking about the NFL as much right
now because there's not as.
Speaker 9 (25:41):
Much cost off to talk about.
Speaker 8 (25:43):
Stop it, Brady.
Speaker 6 (25:44):
You know, I'm just saying we're not. We haven't talked
about it really once at all. Today. You just mentioned
the game's stunk on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
I can confirm that the game.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
I mean, yeah, well, let's let let's talk about Atlanta
the Jets, right Torod Taylor and the Jet We.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
Do want to talk about it.
Speaker 9 (25:58):
I bet you were talking about it on Friday when
you have three games on Thursday, but you were you
weren't working on Friday.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
I was yeah, okay, dang, why are you taking shots?
Speaker 6 (26:08):
Pete?
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Let that man live. He was up with big news, right.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
We we held it down that there's three of.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
Them, happy twenty five years.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
If he comes out, fire a.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Dang, Pete. He came all so jovial. Now you've turned
into the curmudgeon.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
He can I ask you about speaking of pro Okay,
go go go get him.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
God wait, John come out.
Speaker 9 (26:32):
I'm getting these tweets at me with reference and Jonas
saying you got to get all over him because all
he does is sit in that sitting in that show
and rip on the Jacksonville market and Jaguars al boring.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
It's a boring teams to boring franchise. When they play
half their games in London, nobody cares.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
It's true.
Speaker 8 (26:49):
No, they played.
Speaker 9 (26:50):
No, they play half their games in London because they
make a lot of money playing their games in London.
They play one game in London, by the way, it's
look the bottom line, we played two this year last year,
no to last year. But and and they are building
a new stadium and they're going to be half of them.
Speaker 8 (27:04):
They're going to play in Orlando in a couple of
years for a year.
Speaker 9 (27:07):
So but look, the bottom line is, look, they're not
a good team. But like I said last night, after
all the shows, who the hell is any damn good?
I mean, really, when you look at the NFL, who's
any good right now?
Speaker 6 (27:17):
But if you look, I would I would have said
the Rams until that nil?
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Right?
Speaker 9 (27:23):
Is the Denver?
Speaker 8 (27:24):
Are they in New England? Are those the good teams?
Speaker 9 (27:26):
Denver was pushed to the limit last night by a
crappy Washington team. I mean, they all have flaws and
that's that's why the playoffs are so wide open. But
right now, nobody's any good. But but Jonas, I'm telling
you that Jacksonville market is coming after you. They are.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
Oh wow, I mean, listen, who cares. There's like four
fans there, there's four fans there.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
They're still you have no you have no idea.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
There's the home. Who's got the beach house? It's not
too far in all that.
Speaker 9 (27:53):
Good it's a good market.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
You're crazy. I thought.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
Jacksonville, by the way, I love going there. You know,
it's an awesome place. And actually, buddy, who is raising
his family down there. He loves it too.
Speaker 9 (28:08):
But Brady, here's the problem with the market and Jonas
right now, they're so jaded because of everything they've been
through over the years.
Speaker 8 (28:14):
I mean, think about it.
Speaker 9 (28:15):
They've had a lot of crappy teams, So from that standpoint,
you're right. But when they're winning, it's a really good market.
I promise you. I'll go with Seattle's market before they
started winning.
Speaker 6 (28:28):
Well, it depends on how far you go back. Like
some people love that market back in the day with
Jim Zorn.
Speaker 9 (28:34):
And year lost and it wasn't good and now it's great.
It's you know, it might be one of the best
markets in the league. And winning matters.
Speaker 6 (28:43):
Winning matters, success matters. I think that you're really going
out on a limb with that take there.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Pete, Well, the legacy franchise, why are you going on,
my boy Prisco like that?
Speaker 3 (28:54):
God? Thanks, I just draw.
Speaker 9 (28:56):
No matter what.
Speaker 8 (28:57):
You know that the legacy franchises, I mean you you
for one. I mean there's those old.
Speaker 9 (29:01):
Time franchises They'll draw no matter who's playing at that stadium.
So but Miami, Miami has a hard time drawing. I
mean they do.
Speaker 8 (29:08):
That's reality.
Speaker 6 (29:09):
Have we seen enough of to get a sense for
for what he is?
Speaker 3 (29:16):
God?
Speaker 9 (29:17):
No, I think he needs to play. I think he
needs to play the rest of the season. You know
what you haven't doing. He's not the answer, and so
far Shador has been not the answer. He's been okay,
and so.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Let him so far not the answer.
Speaker 8 (29:31):
Let him play.
Speaker 9 (29:32):
I don't think he I think I think they know
deep down that neither one of those guys is the
long term answer.
Speaker 8 (29:37):
So he'll play the rest he should play the rest
of the way. I let him play the rest of
the way, and I.
Speaker 9 (29:42):
Go into the draft. They have two first round picks
next year, and you can make a move to go
get a quarterback if you have to, if you're not
need the top. And I think that's what they need
to do. Do you guys think Shador Sanders is the
long term answer? You think Dylan Gabriel is a long
term answer?
Speaker 8 (29:54):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
I don't. I don't know, but I need to see more.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
I'd like to see more from from really both to them,
quite frankly, but I do feel like it's perfect timing
that he gets into.
Speaker 6 (30:05):
What Yeah, I mean that's true. Yes, you can't play
the song he sepline the scenes there.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
It was a great, great pool though, I'll say that.
Speaker 8 (30:16):
What do you guys think? What do you think, LeVar?
Speaker 9 (30:18):
Do you think he's played himself into the spot where
he should be the long term answer a quarterback?
Speaker 6 (30:21):
Yeah, LeVar? What do you think? They can't ask us?
What do you think? LeVar?
Speaker 2 (30:25):
And that's an interesting way of Q sitting there turning
this into.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
That what he just did ask me?
Speaker 2 (30:32):
I think he had some bright moments in the game yesterday.
I think he gave them a little bit of a charged,
a little bit of a little boost.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
But it just was not enough.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
It wasn't enough for them to be effective enough to score.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
More than what they did.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
I know, we give as Miles Garrett continues to get
to the quarterback and do amazing things. I think that
that their defense doesn't do well enough for any quarterback
to be really judged at the level of can they
be the guy or not? Like, I don't feel like
(31:13):
any quarterback isn't in spite of quarterback for the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
I just I don't see it that way. So whether
we all made.
Speaker 9 (31:22):
The decision on doing Gabriel already, I haven't I.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Have not made a decision.
Speaker 6 (31:27):
I thought.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
I thought it. No, I did not.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
I feel like in order to get an idea of
what somebody can be, they should have time. But he
went out due to an injury. He went out due
to an injury. They felt like they wanted to see
what Shador Sanders could do. So which one do you
give the time to do it? I don't know. Is
it a recipe for success for either one of them?
(31:52):
I would say no, because the team isn't good enough
for you to leverage it that way. So I feel
like they're both want to get a bum rap out
of the situation. Neither one of them are in a
advantageous situation.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
That's what I would say.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Whether they're good enough to be a starting quarterback at
the pro level or not. I mean, both of them
have started, but can they be successful. I don't know
that they'll get that opportunity in Cleveland, is what I
would say.
Speaker 9 (32:19):
So I would say I would say I would lean
to a hard no.
Speaker 8 (32:22):
On both of them.
Speaker 6 (32:23):
On that Pete.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
On that note, do you feel like Stefanski is out
after this year?
Speaker 9 (32:28):
I think thinks he's out after this year, And I
think Stefanski thinks he's out.
Speaker 8 (32:32):
After this year. He might get a job somewhere else.
Speaker 9 (32:34):
I really do. I mean, don't you think he's going
to get a job somewhere else.
Speaker 5 (32:38):
I mean, he would be on the top of my
list based on what he's done various ten years a
head coach throughout the NFL. And I again, you know
people might bock at that, but the truth of the
matter is he's been a multiple year, you know, multiple
time you know, coach of the year and that doesn't
just fall off trees for you in the NFL.
Speaker 9 (32:59):
So and he got straddled, I mean saddled with that
that quarterback that he didn't want to well, the owner
made him. The owner made him do that. They made
him go trade for the quarterback. They gave away a
ton of assets for for that guy, and and he won.
He won that good to begin with, he was okay,
And you traded all those assets and gave him that
(33:21):
guaranteed money and the team went to toilet after that.
That's that's basically what happened. They had Baker Mayfield and
Baker Mayfield got hurt that one year. Remember Baker Mayfield
was really good early in his career and then he
got hurt.
Speaker 8 (33:32):
They didn't.
Speaker 9 (33:33):
There was no patience with him, and they sent him packing.
They made a major mistake. And once you made the
major mistake against from what I understood against coaches will,
then you're never going to have a good team and
you're never going to a successful team anymore. And that
was the problem.
Speaker 6 (33:45):
Pete Prisco.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
Keep it in that same division. What are you seeing
from the Pittsburgh Steelers specifically on offense?
Speaker 9 (33:53):
Well, Rodgers was sitting at that bench, sitting there going,
oh my god, why did I come back for this garbage?
I mean, did you see his nose is all broke
and it's he's got cuts all over it. He's bleeding,
and he looked like his hand is broke. I mean,
you don't think at any moment he's sitting on the sideline,
sitting there all swumped over going what the hell am
I doing? Guys aren't running the right route? He said.
(34:15):
It looks like there's some friction between you know that
what's going on between the play calling and the and
the and the coaching and the and the and what's
being run. I mean, it's a disaster. And and look.
Speaker 6 (34:26):
Because he always have to throw someone under the bus though,
Like I'm pretty sure you threw John O. Smith under
the bus at one point. It's just I feel like
it's like he always to air someone out after the
game instead of just moving, you know, trying to get
through the interview to move on.
Speaker 9 (34:41):
You know, that's that's him. You know, he's always going
to throw somebody else under the bus. If he's going down,
he's taking people with him.
Speaker 8 (34:46):
That's who. That's what Aaron Rodgers is going to do.
Speaker 9 (34:48):
But they're they're not very good. I mean they the Buffalo.
Speaker 8 (34:51):
Bills ran for forty yards or whatever yesterday.
Speaker 9 (34:55):
I mean, my god, with two backup tackles. The Steelers
aren't good. But amazing thing is is neither are the
Ravens right now. Lamar Jackson struggling. I mean that team
is struggling in a big way too. Nobody what if
the Bengals got on a heater. I mean, what if
the Bengals and Joe Burrow got on a heater. I
don't think it's gonna happen, but I mean, look at
look at them. Yeah, I mean they'd be fun to watch.
(35:17):
Those other two teams right now aren't fun to watch,
that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Well, it's possible that they could because the division is
in flux, but the stick I have.
Speaker 8 (35:28):
To build this week, that's going to be a tough
game for Buffalo.
Speaker 9 (35:31):
I mean, and if they lose, if they lose one more,
they're pretty much done.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Buffalo is Doctor Jekyl mister Hyde. They they have not
been consistent and consistent enough to call them what I
would say, a top elite team. They just don't know
if they hit their ceiling, I just don't know. And
that's and it's so crazy because what this conversation led
me to and and pre pre pre show notes and
(35:56):
thoughts was this is the one of the more competitive
seasons of coach of the year and because there are
no teams that are considerably better than the rest. I mean,
I look at the Broncos, I look at the Patriots
and what's being done there.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
I look at what's taking place in Chicago.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
I look at some of these teams and like, even
with the Miko Ryans in Texas, what he's been able
to do with that team, What Kyle Shanahan has been
able to do with what he's got going on in
San Francisco. While I'll say I don't feel like there's
a pronounced dominant team in the league right now. I
(36:39):
feel like you're seeing who the good coaches are, who's
bringing that that acumen and that element to that level
of expertise to the table. And it's I feel like
that's been pretty cool to watch. Like I would have
never thought that Ben Johnson could turn it around as
quickly as he did in Chicago. Ever would have thought
(37:00):
I'd be talking about the Bears being you know where
they are right now, and so with a quarterback with
quarterback play too. By the way, I just so you know,
I feel like it's a coach this year more so
than it is a team, like a dominant team. It's
more so like getting through the elements of what you
have going on. None, none have done it better than
(37:21):
Kyle Shanahan. If you ask me, I'm.
Speaker 9 (37:24):
With you on Kyle Shanahan. By the way, I think
Kylin Shanahan has never won Coach of the Year.
Speaker 8 (37:27):
He's finished the runner up twice.
Speaker 9 (37:29):
And to me, well, and I said that last night
on our So Kyle Shanahan has done an amazing job
with that team this year.
Speaker 8 (37:34):
It really has, I mean, all the.
Speaker 9 (37:36):
Injuries, navigating through everything that's happened over there. He's done
a fantastic job. He's in the conversation you mentioned Ben Johnson,
He's in that conversation. Mike Brabel for sure, and Liam
Cohen if they win the division, he's in the conversation.
You're right, some of these coaches have done amazing jobs
with their teams. And but Kyle Shanahan. Look, we've all
we know Kyle Shanahan a health coach.
Speaker 8 (37:57):
We know that.
Speaker 9 (37:58):
But this year they're nine and four, or they play
coming out of their buy, they play the Titans at home.
They should win that to get to ten. If they
win one more game, that team is going to win
eleven games and have gone beat the Rams on the
road with Mac Jones, I mean that that tells you
where they are as a as an organization. But a
Kyle shana has done an amazing job.
Speaker 5 (38:18):
Pete, give me a team that might surprise us that
at this juncture of the season you were out on.
Speaker 6 (38:25):
You're just like I just I'm not a believer.
Speaker 5 (38:27):
I don't think it could be obviously the Chiefs who
lost on Thanksgiving. It could be a number of teams.
Maybe it's the Eagles, you know, who lost to Jonas's Bears. Well,
we kind of just referenced with Ben Johnson. Give me
a team that you're at, maybe maybe the coolest. I
don't know what team though. Are you kind of saying like,
I'm out, I think they're going to fall apart the
rest of the season.
Speaker 9 (38:48):
Well, I mean, the Chiefs can't afford one more loss,
so basically they're there, They've already fallen apart, So you know,
I don't they can't lose one more game if they're done.
And so there, I'm a major, majorly concerned about that team.
But who's going to fall apart? That's playing well, right,
and that we thought was what the colts of the
team to keep an eye on.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
I mean, they've lost.
Speaker 9 (39:11):
Three of four and when you look at it, they
go to Jacksonville this week. They've never ever won there
since twenty fourteen. They have to go play the Texans
on the road again, and so I just I don't know,
I'm worried about that team.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
Is there anybody to blame specifically on that team that
you look at and go, that's that's a real issue
for them moving forward?
Speaker 9 (39:30):
No, I mean, Daniel Jones has been okay, I mean
he's turned the ball over.
Speaker 8 (39:34):
He didn't turn it over on Sunday.
Speaker 9 (39:35):
But sometimes in this league, you are what you are.
Speaker 8 (39:42):
I mean, let's be real, I mean, you are what
you are.
Speaker 9 (39:47):
And so they lost three or four and they were
riding high. And now, look, we don't know what Sauce
Gardner's injury is. I mean, all of a sudden, Jacksonville
was the first place in that division. If they beat
him in that game, then they're in real trouble. So yeah,
I'd say the Colts will be the one I'm worried about.
I didn't like Brady. I'm glad you referenced the Eagles
because they.
Speaker 8 (40:06):
Got maulled in the run game the other day. What
the hell was that?
Speaker 9 (40:09):
I mean, they got pushed all Chicago ran it right
down their throat and they couldn't do a thing about it.
And that's not a good luck that the calling card
for the Eagles has always been dominant on those lines
and they're dominant on neither right now.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
Yeah, well you've been dominant, Pete for over twenty five years.
And congratulations again. And Pete Prisco senior NFL columnists or
CBS Sports, CBS Sports HQ analysts you can get them
on ex at Prisco CBS. Let's do it again next week, Pete.
Speaker 9 (40:36):
We will and Jacksonville's coming for you, Jonas. They got
you and your son right in their site. Buddy, damn it.
Speaker 6 (40:46):
That's a problem. Thanks Pete, thank you got a big
time problem.
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