December 8, 2025 • 40 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the guys talk about the field being set for the College Football Playoff, Notre Dame being left out and deciding to no longer participate in a bowl game because of it, ICYMI, and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 4 (01:39):
Good morning.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Oh he sounds happy. I mean you're okay boy, figure
out what do you mean?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
A year ago?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
A year ago, we were destined to see each other
before the national championship game and in a matchup between
two blue blood schools. And look at where we are now,
in the same exact place. You know how disappointed I
was that y'all didn't make it. Then, after I accepted
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the fact that y'all didn't make it, how happy I
was that I.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Would get to throw this in your face. Yeah, I'm joking.
I'm joking.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Yeah. I mean the difference is you've got a new
coach and we'll see what happens from there.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Well, we did get a new coach, but you know,
we were definitely not in a position to have which.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
By the way, it's interesting that you're trying to distract
off of what you said Friday. Distract made its waves. Yeah,
well you mean distract. That's exactly what I said. There
is no words to be twisted. You broke out some
stuff Friday that not a lot of people were aware.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Of, and I'm glad that you were aheadline.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I'm glad you had some awareness of the awareness because
you know the way the segment played out, it was
almost everybody was at like, did you like put Q.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Up on what was going on? And I said absolutely not.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
No. You people forget like like I know people, I
know things going on. People talk to me about stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Indeed, and it was well well done.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
It's one of the reasons why like people think a
lot of it. It's so funny to me about the
college football playoff and how people have reacted to things
that I'm saying in regards to like, oh, it's because
it's about Notre Dame. It's like, no, Actually, We're going
to have a nice little segment here, and I'm going
to teach you some things why if I was a
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Miami fan, I would be very frustrated with being left
out last year and almost being left out this year,
and I'll explain why. And if I was a college
football fan, or if I'm a BYU fan, I'd be
very upset about being treated differently then Bama was treated.
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And there's reasons why. So we can all act like
everything's on the up and up and that money's not
involved and there's not motivation to get certain conferences certain
teams and have certain things happen. I mean, we talked
about we've talked about the college fall playoff, how the
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committee right doesn't want to have rematches because we've already
seen these games, Like, what's the point of having a rematch.
We literally have two of them in the first round
in this year. Two I like matches personally, Well, okay,
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rematches when they're not orchestrated the way they are by
this committee. So if you had a rematch where they
have to win a game or two to get there,
that's one thing, but they then have a rematch where
it's like, we've seen Bama Oklahoma. Does anyone really care
to see that again? Besides Alabama Oklahoma? Oklahoma's offense stinks,
Alabama's defense and really offense in the SEC championshiame stinks.
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We watched that before. Do we need to see Ole
Miss blowout Tulane again? We've already watched that matchup. Well,
but this is how we this is how we construct
our national championship in college football. And it's crazy because
you know, the playoff and tournament format is obviously one
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of the greatest things about men's basketball, women's basketball, like
that March Madness, and it's celebrated, it's awesome. And instead
we have a network in ESPN that makes this drama filled,
stupid show on Tuesday nights and they use it just
to make money off of and then we get into
the playoff we're like, yes, this is for the national championship. Well, no,
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it's not. You don't have the twelve best teams in there.
And I'm not like advocating too for saying like, hey,
a team like Tulane shouldn't make it in or jam
you shouldn't make it in. But again, as we talk
about this, I will show you how the how messed
up the entire processes.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Well, I mean, let's get into Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Let's radio formatics. We got radio formatics.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I mean, let's fire off.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
You know, we've already gotten the particulars out of the way,
the details of the show out of the way.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
College Football Playoff is out.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
For those of you that aren't aware, here's you're one
through twelve, with Indiana as the number one seed. You've
got Ohio State two. You're going to have Georgia sitting
at three, Texas Tech at four. The five to twelve
matchup will be Oregon and James Madison. You're going to
see as well Miami and Texas A and M You've
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got Ole miss Tulane as Brady mentioned, and you've got
the rematch of Alabama Oklahoma, which we saw previous earlier
in the year as well too. So missing in this
whole conversation is Notre Dame, who, in my opinion, was
strung along and strung along and strung along.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
And I talked to Brady about this actually off.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
The air, and it was, you know, in the midst
of a hardware store fire near his house. That the
idea that after wins, you would then decide to flip
Notre Dame in Alabama was the first signal, Okay, it's
our this is a script. It's a scripted television show.
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They were written into the script and now we're getting
towards the final episode where the switch is gonna happen
and Alabama goes out gets knifed in the SEC championship
game wasn't even close, not even close. They've got three losses,
but they're in and Notre Dame is on the outside.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Look it in god Q, I'm gonna let you have
it like it's not. So.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
There's a number of ways of looking at this, Like
there's the case for Notre Dame. And I think a
lot of people who look at Notre Dame's case were like, well,
they lost the head to head to Miami. That's correct.
And I think you guys know, and no one who
knows that I've talked about the situation is the comparison
to me was never Notre Dame in Miami. I've always
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said that like head to head does matter, and that game,
if it's purely the only thing you're looking at has
to matter. So Notre Dame was never gonna go over
to go in ahead of Miami because of the head
to head. Now, the idea that we needed a team
in between the two to compare those two things, that's
where we start like making this a mockery when you say, like, well,
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because there was BYU in between them, we weren't able
to really compare those two teams. And trust me, I
know because I'm sure LeVar back in the day, you know,
when he was talking to one girl, if there was
another girl between him, he never could look across the
bar and another girl to compare the two, right bar.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I mean that never happened yesterday. Damn Godrich.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
But think about how stupid that argument. And now we go, well, guys,
there was a buffer. BYU was in between them. It's like, no, man,
you're comparing all those teams. You were looking at Notre
Dame's case, you're looking at Miami's case, you're looking at
BYU's case, you're looking at Bama's case. But the truth
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of the matter was, in a week where Notre Dame
was ahead of Alabama, both teams won one much more
convincingly versus a losing team versus another team who was
a losing team in Auburn and nearly dropped that game.
They jumped Alabama ahead of Notre Dame, and the rationale
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behind that is inexplicable. Some would say, well, you know,
the College Football Playoff Committee penalized Alabama too much when
they lost to Oklahoma, so this was a way of
moving them back where they should have been in the
first place. There was that little spun narrative out there.
There was others who felt like, well, this was actually
a move to put Alabama in a position where, regardless
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of outcome, they were going to make it into the
College Football Playoff because they're Alabama and they've got a
good resume of wins, which, all right, are we not
going to then factor into who they've lost to and
how they've lost? You know, how are we looking at
these teams as what they are as teams? Are we
looking at just their ceiling by what they've done when
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they've won. Do we look at their floor? Because the
floor is pretty low at Alabama. I mean, let's just
look at their Week one loss to Florida State, another
losing team who's bad. I guess we don't take that
into consideration, at least not those Week one games for Bama,
just for Notre Dame and Miami. So when you really
start looking at how this committee had compared the teams,
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there was things they did along the way that made
no logical sense, no rational sense outside of saying this
was purely for TV. There was no reason to wait
to move Miami ahead of Notre Dame in the rankings.
They could have done it all year. Miami beat Notre
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Dame week one. There was never a reason to move
Miami behind Notre Dame. Notre Dame started off zero to two.
They always could have kept Notre Dame behind Miami. So
the committee purely did this for theatrics as a part
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of ESPN because it's Notre Dame and using that brand.
That's where I think a lot of people are frustrated
with this, because it's not just about not making the playoff.
It was being upon in a TV show for a
network that has no ties to that brand or that school.
And then when you look at the brands, they are
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propping up Miami, which would have been the if they're
not for them. They're the only team representing the ACC
who owns the distribution to.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
The ACC ESPN. An it was s CC. I didn't
know it was ACC. I didn't who was the distribution
to the SEC ESPN. They owned both. So when you
really look at what occurred, and if you look at
the Big twelve, it's split, it's FOX and it's ESPN.
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So when you look at that, you go, huh, that's
kind of odd.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
You got two of the teams that you're really trying
to prop those conferences up. Which and then just to
dive deeper into it, let's just talk about how Miami
got where they got and how the ACC got where
they got. Because as as I'm making a case for
what I think Notre Dame was frustrated by, you also
have to understand, you know, and we'll get to the
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Bama and the SEC Championship game. But if you look
at the ACC Championship and how it was constructed, the
reason why they only have one team in that's an
at large bid, not their conference championship is purely on
Jim Phillips. It's purely on the ACC for the manner
in which they construct their tie breaking scenarios to determine
who plays in that championship game. So congratulations to Manny
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Diaz and Duke and those players. They won the ACC
championship this year. Were they the best team in the ACC?
Of course not. And mind you, not only are not
the best team in the ACC, they weren't the team
that was gonna end up going on to go play
for a national championship, which is a shame because it
kind of provided like a false sense of what these
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players and coaches could achieve because eight and five you're
not getting in the playoff. You're not and because of
the tie breaking scenarios that were I believe head to
head and it's like, you know, percentage of record versus
common opponents and their win loss record. That's the ACC's
tie breaking scenario to determine that Duke and UVA were
best suited to go play for the a SEC championship.
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We find ourselves in this entire situation where you get
Tulane and James Madison, this Sun Belt champion, both the
part of the playoff. Now you're gonna ask why is that?
It's because the AAC, for example, in their tie breaking
criteria to determine who plays off for their their conference championship,
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it reads like this head to head. Okay, if that
doesn't break the scenario, you go to the next thing.
What's that College football highest ranked College Football Playoff teams,
which makes the most sense for every conference that's trying
to play under the college football playoff to play for
a national championship. Ultimately, your conference is trying to determine
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who are those best two teams they're gonna play for
our conference championship and then go on to play for
a national championship to represent our conference. And because the
ACC wasn't able to identify that they could send a
team with five losses to their conference championship that if
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they win, which again, congrats to Duke, awesome game, awesome
seeing them to be able to survive and still you know,
go get that thing in overtime. But they could not
foresee that if that team was going to win, they
were gonna end up being left out of the playoff.
I mean, ESPN had a crew there waiting being like, oh,
we will see if Duke gets it. It's like, yeah, no,
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there's no shot. There's no shot, Like what are you
talking about? And so, because of that and the way
it's word in the college football playoff, you had to
end up having the five highest rank conference champions get
access to the tournament. So you have the SEC, the
Big Ten, and the Big Twelve with Texas Tech, but
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you still needed two more conference champs, so the ACC
gets left out. The AAC again, a better worded tie
breaking scenario allows North Texas and Tulane to play off
for it, and obviously Telane to move on into the
playoff and then James Madison from the Sun Belt, And
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if they would have tweaked the language to be that
of the A in the ACC Championship, it would have
been Miami playing off against UVA. What would that have meant?
Miami probably beats UVA. There's an extra spot James Madison
doesn't get in. Notre Dame would have end up getting
into that large bit. It could have been byu that
would be then up for debate. So I'm not even
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just making a case for Notre Dame, but based on
how the College Football Playoff Committee saw it, they did
rank Notre Dame ahead of BYU So that's who would
have gotten that final spot. So there's just one example
of the ineptitude of the ACC in that conference. Again
distributed by the ESPN ESPN has their hand in all
of this, and because of their own inability to determine
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the best suited conference champion, they end up finding themselves
in the midst of all of this, completely fumbling it,
but then lucking out because the committee throws Miami in
there to save the ACC the representation, and again ESPN
for having a conference that was basically gonna be left
out because of the stupidity of those involved not being
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able to figure out their own conference champion.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
It they've kind of.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Spit on conference championship games basically is because they've they've
determined that well, look, you know as long as you
because anybody that watched the SEC title game that wasn't close. No,
it wasn't competitive like atat like it never at one
point during that game did I look at it and go, oh,
I don't know, man, Alabama's got a shot here that
wasn't close. And so if you're using the same rationale
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as to why BYU got left out or why.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
It's okay, well then make.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
It that that's the next part of the conversation is
why does BYU get like counter and knocked down after
the performance in their Big Twelve championship game and not Bama.
And in fact, on average over the of the four
team playoff for ten years, the average was teams that
lost in the conference championship would move down two spots.
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And I just had someone send me a piece of
research and it was like the last three years, the
only team to lose in their conference championship and not
move down is Alabama. And to further that point, the
only team in SEC Conference Cheam championship history to not
score a point for three quarters is this year's Alabama team,
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this year's Alabama offense. It was, by the way, Ty Simpson,
the passing game is the only thing that's kept that
entire offense together. They can't run the football, they can't
stop the run. This is not like your Nick Saban
Alabama teams. It's not I would be shocked if Oklahoma
and beat them again A and Oklahoma can't score poor
jeoh mateers got to deal with a surgey, grew repaired
thumb or a messed up thumb and their offense is struggled.
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But like again, that plays to these ideas and thoughts
and conspiracy theories that this is what ESPN wants because
there are a lot of the teams that you know
they're beholden to, given their distribution within the SEC and
the ACC and how they wanted this whole thing to
work out. They didn't want to leave out of a
Bama team, which I think if you wanted to set
that precedent, you had every right to leave Bama au
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based on that performance and laying an egg. But they
tried to send a message really to notre name that
they want to penalized teams for playing in a conference
championship weekend. And I'll just add on top of that
for all the people who are like, yo, you need
a joy the conference here it is, LeVar. How many
teams in the semi final last year won their conference championship?
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Ooh uh in the semi final of the college football playoff?
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Yeah, last year? Zero? Just expanded twelve teams.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Zero?
Speaker 4 (19:38):
That is dead on correct. How many teams in the
national championship. How many teams that won it all last year?
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Zero? There you go, and the other glad I could
assist you.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Just just listening to on the this and I'll give
Sean mcdonoughh credit because.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
You David Brady credit to hear what this dude, ran off, Bruh, listen, bro,
I think he's like, he's like he needs to be
like clinically diagnosed, Like you got some type of issue.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Man, I'm telling.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
You, I don't get it, Spectrum.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
I don't get it. Bro.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
I'm sitting there trying to keep my mouth off of
the table, like, what the.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
What's not like a cyborg? Like a computer like type
it in enter data.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
They had a lot of time to to kill during
the SEC Championship game.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
It wasn't good.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
It was And so Sean mcdonn is making the point,
or he Sean McDonough brought up the point. He said,
you know why is the question is why was Notre
Dame knocked down a spot and why were they swapped
with Alabama? Like that's and he tried, you know, he
tried to make the argument to be fair and balanced.
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And Greg McElroy's like, well, I think they were just
correcting the fact that Alabama was punished too hard, dropping
from four to ten for their loss to Oklahoma.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
It's like, all right, so what are we doing?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Are you script doctors Like hey, you know, we wrote
this thing out, but we didn't like how that went.
So after the fact, we're gonna go and then we're
gonna start correcting things like you did.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Like, is that how this whole thing is done now?
Speaker 5 (21:21):
Like?
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Is that is that?
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Because if that's the case, then why waste anybody's time
in the build up until we get to the final rankings.
Just release the final rankings, figure out what you guys
want to do, and don't spend time discussing in a meeting,
Go to television, announce your rankings, and then a few
weeks later, decide, you know what, upon further review, we
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were too harsh on them, We'll go ahead and swap
them the spot. Still think none of it makes sense.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
The problem with what you're saying is it still runs
into the problem that Q was presenting, and that there
is it clearly showed itself this year. The agenda is clear,
it's clear and and and waiting to do the rankings.
I don't think that that rectifies it. Like the fact
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of the matter is you want the teams in that
you want and they're representing the bottom line that it's
going to represent. I think it's very simple. I mean,
you just explained that the like gave y'all like a
class on it, And if you're taking notes on it,
you can understand more.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Of the why.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
But at the end of the day, the dilemma is
you have conflicting interests with the people who own the
college football playoffs period, and they're going to make decisions
that are are weighted on how it benefits them most
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because they are the platform that that has the control
over it.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
I mean, that's just you know, it's about state something
real crazy. He now notre Dame knows what it feels
like to be.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
I really was, now, b why you knows what it
feels like to be against the establishment.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Like, well, that's here's the reality to it is fight
we make a case that ESPN here you go, Budd,
you can equally hate the case that ESPN just hates
any religion. They hate Mormons, all of them.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
That's the thing is they hate all of them.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Disney's become so sacrilegious that they just hate every sort
of a sense of faith. And that's that's what they're
puss pushing.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
I knew we could get him there. I knew we
could get him there.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
I mean, we could call it a conspiracy theory, but
it seems rather obvious to me that any form of
a belief and a higher being they're just trying to
push out, get them mad at there. Last time I checked,
is is TCU involved. Nope?
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Nope.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Is Baylor involved? Nope? Dang, just saying, I mean, last
time I is Boston Cology some of these other institutions
that are tied back to, you know, some sort of
faith or religion. I just think ESPN hates God and
that's they're trying to take over, trying to act like
they're got out there in the college football playoff and.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
The truth Shell said, you free.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Yeah, how about them apples, ESPN, you just hate God,
You hate us Mormons, hate the Catholics.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Tackle to mapples.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Remember the Catholics, Well, those those believe in nothing.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Hurricanes fans, remember that ye blowing coke down in Southeast.
Let's let's go.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Remember the Catholics versus convicts. T shirt.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Just do Catholics versus ESPN, and see if you can
run with that and make a few bucks. It's the
whole thing's a farce.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Well, and the last point I just make, and this
is probably we'll save it for another conversation. But the
decision to not playing a bowl game.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Oh yeah, people.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
Realize other teams have opted out of this. This is
a actually a trend. But it's like, oh no, Notre
Dame's doing it now. It's like, well, yeah, there's a
lot of conversation around that.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
You want to you want to fire off on that
next that's that's that's a real fun one. That's a
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So a statement from Notre.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Dame upon hearing the results of the college football playoff rankings,
which saw them on the outside looking in.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
We done for the year.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Quote as a team, we've decided to withdraw our name
from consideration for a bowl game following the twenty twenty
five season. We appreciate all the support from our families
and fans, and we're hoping to bring the twelfth national
title to South Bend in twenty twenty six, and they've
gotten a lot of heat for that, you know, the well, mostly.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
From ESPN folks. I think there's some other people who
want to like take a shot, take a hot take.
What's odd is this has actually happened for a number
of teams throughout the years. This isn't like the first
time a team has done it. They're just like, oh,
it's the first time a team's doing it because they
just found out they not didn't get in the playoff.
They're like the other teams like Kansas State and Baylor
and Iowa State. They've known for a while now they're
(28:44):
not going, so it's it's different. It's like, no, dude,
here's the reality of it. If you are Notre Dame
and you were propped up to think you were getting
into the playoff for no reason whatsoever other than for
TV dramatics, and now the very same network that has
(29:06):
shunned you wants you to come be a part of
an exhibition game. I'm sure there was a lot of
players who sit there and go, yeah, I'm good because
if you read the statement, this isn't just an athletic
director decision. It's not just a head coach decision. The
team decided not to. So for all the people out
there who don't know how this works, because Notre Dame
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is not a part of an affiliated with a conference,
a partial affiliations with the a SEC, which maybe should
be up for debate after how things went this year,
there is you know, unless like when I was there,
unless it was a BCS like you didn't go. Now.
We went my sophomore year after Ty Willingham got fired.
But we had to vote because we were boeligible and
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there was a young group of guys who wanted the
chance to try to practice and prove and get better.
And the older classmen were like, no, this is disrespectful
to the past players. If you weren't playing for a
national championship, it doesn't matter. That's how That's how a
lot of those players were and felt. We voted. It
(30:11):
was like a sixty to forty split. And here's the
thing that I'll say, after going through that experience, we
never should have went to that bowl game. And it
wasn't because of the experience. The experience was fine. We
had a ton of fun, No, I mean none of
the older upperclassmen took it seriously. The coaches were trying
to find new jobs, and that's you know, that's and
that's again that's part of that conversation too, where it's
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like it's just a bad time of year for you
to play an exhibition game if you're not playing for
a national championship. This is like the type of thought
that people would have back PREBCS, where you'd play your season,
you'd declare who was the conference champ and then you'd
go and you play in a bowl game and they'd
declare who the national champion was. We're not in that
(30:52):
era anymore. We we have a playoff format. So what's
interesting from this the noted purely Notre Dame, is it's
always been how we've thought about things because that's all
we have to play for. Every year, you're either playing
for a national championship or you're not. So I don't
begrudge or I don't look at any of the players
coaches who've made this decision and going to judge them
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for that. A because they're not the only school doing it.
There's other schools, And then they have other reasons. There's
new head coaches, you know coming in or they've just
had their head coach leave. So there's some pretty solid
rationale for it. But also I think we have to
look at bowl games a lot differently. These are exhibition
games that have no ties for doing anything that's going
to help these players outside of the young guys getting
(31:38):
a little bit additional practice and maybe some burn time
to play in a game. The risk is too great
for guys getting injured. A lot of these players they're like, hey, man,
I signed up and I'm getting paid now to go
play and win for a national championship, no different than
an NFL player going to play for a Super Bowl.
Once that's over, we done. And that's why guys are
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opting out of the Pro Bowl. The risk is far
greater than the reward. It's why I at no other
level in college football, not FCS, not D two, not
D three, do we sit there and try to make
teams who are not playing in the playoff for a
national championship or playing in the playoff at the NFL
level go play an exhibition game. I do believe that
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this only continue to have the ESPN concreated, concocted bull
season continue to go away, and that's what's really behind
all this. ESPN wants to push the narrative in the
forefront because that's who makes money off these other bowl games.
Everything outside of the College Fallall Playoff, and even including
the College Fatall Playoff. It's an ESPN event everything around it.
(32:47):
It's all ESPN Disney pushing this. So the people who
are dumb enough and blind enough to see us, they're like, oh, yeah,
I'll go player to choose a bull, have a bunch
of choose its. And look, my kids love cheese its.
It's just mine too. Yeah, just not pop Tart. I
used to love the brown brown sugar cinnamon. That was
the flavor.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Strawberry I believe is the best though ever, Like, come on, let'.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
That's your opinion. Like brown sugar cinnamon.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
It's the best ever.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
I mean, if they go up, yeah, it's to go.
It's it's the og, it's to go.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
I don't know, man, that's strawberry with the vanilla.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
I would love to I would love to see Notre
Dame at the pop Tart Bowl sitting there with this
gigantic pop tar and us three are all down there
grabbing a bite of it because we went down to
tape a show around the pop tar. I'd love to
see it.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
I woke up with my clothes on from the night
before and yeah, and the security guards were telling me
I just can't sleep on the pop tart, Like, yeah,
I get it.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yeah, because I would have climped on the pop tart
and went to sleep the way I felt.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Oh yeah, I would have did it nice, warm ooey gooey.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Top, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7 (33:55):
I've been right there knocked out the fact that if
it was if this was a decision that was made,
because I think a lot of people looked at it
and said, oh boohoo, as you mentioned the.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Taking all that crap.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
If football, if this was a decision made by Marcus
Freeman and he didn't talk with players about it and
was just like, no, we're not going, And the players
are like, well, wait a second, we do want to.
Then that would be a different story. But they got
together as a team based on the statement they had conversations,
and players are like, f that man, Like, if you're
going to use us as a pawn to boost some
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ratings and then you want to after the fact when
you write us out of the script late in the
episode or late in the series. Then you want to
have us come in and partake in this so you
can make money off our name and our brand. F
you like they're one of the programs that sort of
I mean clearly don't need a conference like they've made
that work for decades going on with.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
A network outside of the ESPN, which is again the ESPN's
buttered about.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
And also, like you mentioned, you know players opting out anybody,
Remember you're Jalen Smith. Anybody remember where he was supposed
to go in the draft and what ended up happening
to him. That guy's thirty years old. He should still
be in the league based on what his career was
like at Notre Dame. He took part in an exhibition
game leg never the same, never the same, and still
made a prob was such a good player even on
(35:16):
that knee, still made a Pro Bowl in his career.
So it's like you sit there and judge them all
you want, but you know you want him to be
a part of this whole thing. After you tell them
they're not good enough to be to be part of
the one that they want to be in.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
It just yeah, And the last thing I'll say quickly
is the timing of bowl games that aren't actually a
part of the national championship conversation. They're awful, man. These
guys have a transfer portal window to prepare for. They
just had an early signing day period and window they're
gonna have early enrollies coming in. Like, if your entire
focus is on winning a national championship and it's now
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been determined that notre name's not gonna have the chance
to do that, all your efforts and everything are is
going next year in twenty twenty six, is it not?
And so what you're trying to do is retention. Some
guys might be trying to transfer, figure out which guys
are draft eligible and who should go or come back,
and then figure out how you can enhance the roster
of the transfer portal. Wouldn't you want your focus for
your coaches to be there. There's not these robust scouting
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departments like an NFL franchise. These guys are evaluating talent,
talking to players at hosting visits, all those things. That's
where the focus is on.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Now.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
If players and people go, oh, the players get players
practice on their own. Dude, do you think you're not
as a quarterback of your CJ car now running practices
and seven on seven things on your own, Like, what
world do you think we live in now? They're like
locked out because they're not playing in a bowl game.
I would be in there with scripts, running seven on
sevens versus the defense, probably two three times a week,
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and we'd film it. We go back and watch together.
The A's a group that was happening twenty years ago.
You don't think it's happening now. Those guys can't do
the players can't get together and do that. It's just
it's absurd that people buy into these narratives set by
ESPN and Disney trying to line their pockets because it
doesn't benefit them, and they just mindlessly tag along instead
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of actually stepping back looking at it and like, actually
it makes sense to not playing one.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
I'll tell you this, I don't know what you guys
are up to Saturday night, but I'll be partaking in
the bucked up l A Bowl between Boise State and
Washington on ABC.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
So that'll be I've got two kids in that game.
Yeah that coached?
Speaker 4 (37:23):
What up?
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Two kids? Sterling Lane?
Speaker 4 (37:26):
What you got so damn many kids out there now?
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Derek Derek Ganner Junior. What coach on that Maranatha?
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Yeah? What about? Uh? What about these two kids homes
in Maranatha? That was the the well it's a Christian school,
private school.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
What happened that?
Speaker 1 (37:47):
The figure the better they better opt out church latterday?
Speaker 2 (37:55):
What about? Yeah? What about these two kids?
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Speaker 3 (01:40):
Oh he sounds happy. I mean you're okay boy, figure
out what do you mean?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
A year ago?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
A year ago, we were destined to see each other
before the national championship game and in a matchup between
two blue blood schools. And look at where we are now,
in the same exact place. You know how disappointed I
was that y'all didn't make it. Then, after I accepted
(02:07):
the fact that y'all didn't make it, how happy I
was that I.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Would get to throw this in your face. Yeah, I'm joking.
I'm joking.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Yeah. I mean the difference is you've got a new
coach and we'll see what happens from there.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Well, we did get a new coach, but you know,
we were definitely not in a position to have which.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
By the way, it's interesting that you're trying to distract
off of what you said Friday. Distract made its waves. Yeah,
well you mean distract. That's exactly what I said. There
is no words to be twisted. You broke out some
stuff Friday that not a lot of people were aware.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Of, and I'm glad that you were aheadline.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I'm glad you had some awareness of the awareness because
you know the way the segment played out, it was
almost everybody was at like, did you like put Q.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Up on what was going on? And I said absolutely not.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
No. You people forget like like I know people, I
know things going on. People talk to me about stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Indeed, and it was well well done.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
It's one of the reasons why like people think a
lot of it. It's so funny to me about the
college football playoff and how people have reacted to things
that I'm saying in regards to like, oh, it's because
it's about Notre Dame. It's like, no, Actually, We're going
to have a nice little segment here, and I'm going
to teach you some things why if I was a
(03:31):
Miami fan, I would be very frustrated with being left
out last year and almost being left out this year,
and I'll explain why. And if I was a college
football fan, or if I'm a BYU fan, I'd be
very upset about being treated differently then Bama was treated.
(03:54):
And there's reasons why. So we can all act like
everything's on the up and up and that money's not
involved and there's not motivation to get certain conferences certain
teams and have certain things happen. I mean, we talked
about we've talked about the college fall playoff, how the
(04:15):
committee right doesn't want to have rematches because we've already
seen these games, Like, what's the point of having a rematch.
We literally have two of them in the first round
in this year. Two I like matches personally, Well, okay,
(04:36):
rematches when they're not orchestrated the way they are by
this committee. So if you had a rematch where they
have to win a game or two to get there,
that's one thing, but they then have a rematch where
it's like, we've seen Bama Oklahoma. Does anyone really care
to see that again? Besides Alabama Oklahoma? Oklahoma's offense stinks,
Alabama's defense and really offense in the SEC championshiame stinks.
(05:00):
We watched that before. Do we need to see Ole
Miss blowout Tulane again? We've already watched that matchup. Well,
but this is how we this is how we construct
our national championship in college football. And it's crazy because
you know, the playoff and tournament format is obviously one
(05:22):
of the greatest things about men's basketball, women's basketball, like
that March Madness, and it's celebrated, it's awesome. And instead
we have a network in ESPN that makes this drama filled,
stupid show on Tuesday nights and they use it just
to make money off of and then we get into
the playoff we're like, yes, this is for the national championship. Well, no,
(05:44):
it's not. You don't have the twelve best teams in there.
And I'm not like advocating too for saying like, hey,
a team like Tulane shouldn't make it in or jam
you shouldn't make it in. But again, as we talk
about this, I will show you how the how messed
up the entire processes.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Well, I mean, let's get into Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Let's radio formatics. We got radio formatics.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I mean, let's fire off.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
You know, we've already gotten the particulars out of the way,
the details of the show out of the way.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
College Football Playoff is out.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
For those of you that aren't aware, here's you're one
through twelve, with Indiana as the number one seed. You've
got Ohio State two. You're going to have Georgia sitting
at three, Texas Tech at four. The five to twelve
matchup will be Oregon and James Madison. You're going to
see as well Miami and Texas A and M You've
(06:37):
got Ole miss Tulane as Brady mentioned, and you've got
the rematch of Alabama Oklahoma, which we saw previous earlier
in the year as well too. So missing in this
whole conversation is Notre Dame, who, in my opinion, was
strung along and strung along and strung along.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
And I talked to Brady about this actually off.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
The air, and it was, you know, in the midst
of a hardware store fire near his house. That the
idea that after wins, you would then decide to flip
Notre Dame in Alabama was the first signal, Okay, it's
our this is a script. It's a scripted television show.
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They were written into the script and now we're getting
towards the final episode where the switch is gonna happen
and Alabama goes out gets knifed in the SEC championship
game wasn't even close, not even close. They've got three losses,
but they're in and Notre Dame is on the outside.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Look it in god Q, I'm gonna let you have
it like it's not. So.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
There's a number of ways of looking at this, Like
there's the case for Notre Dame. And I think a
lot of people who look at Notre Dame's case were like, well,
they lost the head to head to Miami. That's correct.
And I think you guys know, and no one who
knows that I've talked about the situation is the comparison
to me was never Notre Dame in Miami. I've always
(08:08):
said that like head to head does matter, and that game,
if it's purely the only thing you're looking at has
to matter. So Notre Dame was never gonna go over
to go in ahead of Miami because of the head
to head. Now, the idea that we needed a team
in between the two to compare those two things, that's
where we start like making this a mockery when you say, like, well,
(08:32):
because there was BYU in between them, we weren't able
to really compare those two teams. And trust me, I
know because I'm sure LeVar back in the day, you know,
when he was talking to one girl, if there was
another girl between him, he never could look across the
bar and another girl to compare the two, right bar.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I mean that never happened yesterday. Damn Godrich.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
But think about how stupid that argument. And now we go, well, guys,
there was a buffer. BYU was in between them. It's like, no, man,
you're comparing all those teams. You were looking at Notre
Dame's case, you're looking at Miami's case, you're looking at
BYU's case, you're looking at Bama's case. But the truth
(09:16):
of the matter was, in a week where Notre Dame
was ahead of Alabama, both teams won one much more
convincingly versus a losing team versus another team who was
a losing team in Auburn and nearly dropped that game.
They jumped Alabama ahead of Notre Dame, and the rationale
(09:36):
behind that is inexplicable. Some would say, well, you know,
the College Football Playoff Committee penalized Alabama too much when
they lost to Oklahoma, so this was a way of
moving them back where they should have been in the
first place. There was that little spun narrative out there.
There was others who felt like, well, this was actually
a move to put Alabama in a position where, regardless
(10:00):
of outcome, they were going to make it into the
College Football Playoff because they're Alabama and they've got a
good resume of wins, which, all right, are we not
going to then factor into who they've lost to and
how they've lost? You know, how are we looking at
these teams as what they are as teams? Are we
looking at just their ceiling by what they've done when
(10:22):
they've won. Do we look at their floor? Because the
floor is pretty low at Alabama. I mean, let's just
look at their Week one loss to Florida State, another
losing team who's bad. I guess we don't take that
into consideration, at least not those Week one games for Bama,
just for Notre Dame and Miami. So when you really
start looking at how this committee had compared the teams,
(10:45):
there was things they did along the way that made
no logical sense, no rational sense outside of saying this
was purely for TV. There was no reason to wait
to move Miami ahead of Notre Dame in the rankings.
They could have done it all year. Miami beat Notre
(11:06):
Dame week one. There was never a reason to move
Miami behind Notre Dame. Notre Dame started off zero to two.
They always could have kept Notre Dame behind Miami. So
the committee purely did this for theatrics as a part
(11:26):
of ESPN because it's Notre Dame and using that brand.
That's where I think a lot of people are frustrated
with this, because it's not just about not making the playoff.
It was being upon in a TV show for a
network that has no ties to that brand or that school.
And then when you look at the brands, they are
(11:48):
propping up Miami, which would have been the if they're
not for them. They're the only team representing the ACC
who owns the distribution to.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
The ACC ESPN. An it was s CC. I didn't
know it was ACC. I didn't who was the distribution
to the SEC ESPN. They owned both. So when you
really look at what occurred, and if you look at
the Big twelve, it's split, it's FOX and it's ESPN.
(12:18):
So when you look at that, you go, huh, that's
kind of odd.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
You got two of the teams that you're really trying
to prop those conferences up. Which and then just to
dive deeper into it, let's just talk about how Miami
got where they got and how the ACC got where
they got. Because as as I'm making a case for
what I think Notre Dame was frustrated by, you also
have to understand, you know, and we'll get to the
(12:43):
Bama and the SEC Championship game. But if you look
at the ACC Championship and how it was constructed, the
reason why they only have one team in that's an
at large bid, not their conference championship is purely on
Jim Phillips. It's purely on the ACC for the manner
in which they construct their tie breaking scenarios to determine
who plays in that championship game. So congratulations to Manny
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Diaz and Duke and those players. They won the ACC
championship this year. Were they the best team in the ACC?
Of course not. And mind you, not only are not
the best team in the ACC, they weren't the team
that was gonna end up going on to go play
for a national championship, which is a shame because it
kind of provided like a false sense of what these
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players and coaches could achieve because eight and five you're
not getting in the playoff. You're not and because of
the tie breaking scenarios that were I believe head to
head and it's like, you know, percentage of record versus
common opponents and their win loss record. That's the ACC's
tie breaking scenario to determine that Duke and UVA were
best suited to go play for the a SEC championship.
(13:50):
We find ourselves in this entire situation where you get
Tulane and James Madison, this Sun Belt champion, both the
part of the playoff. Now you're gonna ask why is that?
It's because the AAC, for example, in their tie breaking
criteria to determine who plays off for their their conference championship,
(14:11):
it reads like this head to head. Okay, if that
doesn't break the scenario, you go to the next thing.
What's that College football highest ranked College Football Playoff teams,
which makes the most sense for every conference that's trying
to play under the college football playoff to play for
a national championship. Ultimately, your conference is trying to determine
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who are those best two teams they're gonna play for
our conference championship and then go on to play for
a national championship to represent our conference. And because the
ACC wasn't able to identify that they could send a
team with five losses to their conference championship that if
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they win, which again, congrats to Duke, awesome game, awesome
seeing them to be able to survive and still you know,
go get that thing in overtime. But they could not
foresee that if that team was going to win, they
were gonna end up being left out of the playoff.
I mean, ESPN had a crew there waiting being like, oh,
we will see if Duke gets it. It's like, yeah, no,
(15:14):
there's no shot. There's no shot, Like what are you
talking about? And so, because of that and the way
it's word in the college football playoff, you had to
end up having the five highest rank conference champions get
access to the tournament. So you have the SEC, the
Big Ten, and the Big Twelve with Texas Tech, but
(15:36):
you still needed two more conference champs, so the ACC
gets left out. The AAC again, a better worded tie
breaking scenario allows North Texas and Tulane to play off
for it, and obviously Telane to move on into the
playoff and then James Madison from the Sun Belt, And
(15:56):
if they would have tweaked the language to be that
of the A in the ACC Championship, it would have
been Miami playing off against UVA. What would that have meant?
Miami probably beats UVA. There's an extra spot James Madison
doesn't get in. Notre Dame would have end up getting
into that large bit. It could have been byu that
would be then up for debate. So I'm not even
(16:18):
just making a case for Notre Dame, but based on
how the College Football Playoff Committee saw it, they did
rank Notre Dame ahead of BYU So that's who would
have gotten that final spot. So there's just one example
of the ineptitude of the ACC in that conference. Again
distributed by the ESPN ESPN has their hand in all
of this, and because of their own inability to determine
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the best suited conference champion, they end up finding themselves
in the midst of all of this, completely fumbling it,
but then lucking out because the committee throws Miami in
there to save the ACC the representation, and again ESPN
for having a conference that was basically gonna be left
out because of the stupidity of those involved not being
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able to figure out their own conference champion.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
It they've kind of.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Spit on conference championship games basically is because they've they've
determined that well, look, you know as long as you
because anybody that watched the SEC title game that wasn't close. No,
it wasn't competitive like atat like it never at one
point during that game did I look at it and go, oh,
I don't know, man, Alabama's got a shot here that
wasn't close. And so if you're using the same rationale
(17:31):
as to why BYU got left out or why.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
It's okay, well then make.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
It that that's the next part of the conversation is
why does BYU get like counter and knocked down after
the performance in their Big Twelve championship game and not Bama.
And in fact, on average over the of the four
team playoff for ten years, the average was teams that
lost in the conference championship would move down two spots.
(17:58):
And I just had someone send me a piece of
research and it was like the last three years, the
only team to lose in their conference championship and not
move down is Alabama. And to further that point, the
only team in SEC Conference Cheam championship history to not
score a point for three quarters is this year's Alabama team,
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this year's Alabama offense. It was, by the way, Ty Simpson,
the passing game is the only thing that's kept that
entire offense together. They can't run the football, they can't
stop the run. This is not like your Nick Saban
Alabama teams. It's not I would be shocked if Oklahoma
and beat them again A and Oklahoma can't score poor
jeoh mateers got to deal with a surgey, grew repaired
thumb or a messed up thumb and their offense is struggled.
(18:46):
But like again, that plays to these ideas and thoughts
and conspiracy theories that this is what ESPN wants because
there are a lot of the teams that you know
they're beholden to, given their distribution within the SEC and
the ACC and how they wanted this whole thing to
work out. They didn't want to leave out of a
Bama team, which I think if you wanted to set
that precedent, you had every right to leave Bama au
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based on that performance and laying an egg. But they
tried to send a message really to notre name that
they want to penalized teams for playing in a conference
championship weekend. And I'll just add on top of that
for all the people who are like, yo, you need
a joy the conference here it is, LeVar. How many
teams in the semi final last year won their conference championship?
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Ooh uh in the semi final of the college football playoff?
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Yeah, last year? Zero? Just expanded twelve teams.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Zero?
Speaker 4 (19:38):
That is dead on correct. How many teams in the
national championship. How many teams that won it all last year?
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Zero? There you go, and the other glad I could
assist you.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Just just listening to on the this and I'll give
Sean mcdonoughh credit because.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
You David Brady credit to hear what this dude, ran off, Bruh, listen, bro,
I think he's like, he's like he needs to be
like clinically diagnosed, Like you got some type of issue.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Man, I'm telling.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
You, I don't get it, Spectrum.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
I don't get it. Bro.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
I'm sitting there trying to keep my mouth off of
the table, like, what the.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
What's not like a cyborg? Like a computer like type
it in enter data.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
They had a lot of time to to kill during
the SEC Championship game.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
It wasn't good.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
It was And so Sean mcdonn is making the point,
or he Sean McDonough brought up the point. He said,
you know why is the question is why was Notre
Dame knocked down a spot and why were they swapped
with Alabama? Like that's and he tried, you know, he
tried to make the argument to be fair and balanced.
(21:00):
And Greg McElroy's like, well, I think they were just
correcting the fact that Alabama was punished too hard, dropping
from four to ten for their loss to Oklahoma.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
It's like, all right, so what are we doing?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Are you script doctors Like hey, you know, we wrote
this thing out, but we didn't like how that went.
So after the fact, we're gonna go and then we're
gonna start correcting things like you did.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Like, is that how this whole thing is done now?
Speaker 5 (21:21):
Like?
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Is that is that?
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Because if that's the case, then why waste anybody's time
in the build up until we get to the final rankings.
Just release the final rankings, figure out what you guys
want to do, and don't spend time discussing in a meeting,
Go to television, announce your rankings, and then a few
weeks later, decide, you know what, upon further review, we
(21:44):
were too harsh on them, We'll go ahead and swap
them the spot. Still think none of it makes sense.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
The problem with what you're saying is it still runs
into the problem that Q was presenting, and that there
is it clearly showed itself this year. The agenda is clear,
it's clear and and and waiting to do the rankings.
I don't think that that rectifies it. Like the fact
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of the matter is you want the teams in that
you want and they're representing the bottom line that it's
going to represent. I think it's very simple. I mean,
you just explained that the like gave y'all like a
class on it, And if you're taking notes on it,
you can understand more.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Of the why.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
But at the end of the day, the dilemma is
you have conflicting interests with the people who own the
college football playoffs period, and they're going to make decisions
that are are weighted on how it benefits them most
(22:50):
because they are the platform that that has the control
over it.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
I mean, that's just you know, it's about state something
real crazy. He now notre Dame knows what it feels
like to be.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
I really was, now, b why you knows what it
feels like to be against the establishment.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Like, well, that's here's the reality to it is fight
we make a case that ESPN here you go, Budd,
you can equally hate the case that ESPN just hates
any religion. They hate Mormons, all of them.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
That's the thing is they hate all of them.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Disney's become so sacrilegious that they just hate every sort
of a sense of faith. And that's that's what they're
puss pushing.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
I knew we could get him there. I knew we
could get him there.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
I mean, we could call it a conspiracy theory, but
it seems rather obvious to me that any form of
a belief and a higher being they're just trying to
push out, get them mad at there. Last time I checked,
is is TCU involved. Nope?
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Nope.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Is Baylor involved? Nope? Dang, just saying, I mean, last
time I is Boston Cology some of these other institutions
that are tied back to, you know, some sort of
faith or religion. I just think ESPN hates God and
that's they're trying to take over, trying to act like
they're got out there in the college football playoff and.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
The truth Shell said, you free.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Yeah, how about them apples, ESPN, you just hate God,
You hate us Mormons, hate the Catholics.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Tackle to mapples.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Remember the Catholics, Well, those those believe in nothing.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Hurricanes fans, remember that ye blowing coke down in Southeast.
Let's let's go.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Remember the Catholics versus convicts. T shirt.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Just do Catholics versus ESPN, and see if you can
run with that and make a few bucks. It's the
whole thing's a farce.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Well, and the last point I just make, and this
is probably we'll save it for another conversation. But the
decision to not playing a bowl game.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Oh yeah, people.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
Realize other teams have opted out of this. This is
a actually a trend. But it's like, oh no, Notre
Dame's doing it now. It's like, well, yeah, there's a
lot of conversation around that.
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Speaker 2 (27:51):
So a statement from Notre.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Dame upon hearing the results of the college football playoff rankings,
which saw them on the outside looking in.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
We done for the year.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Quote as a team, we've decided to withdraw our name
from consideration for a bowl game following the twenty twenty
five season. We appreciate all the support from our families
and fans, and we're hoping to bring the twelfth national
title to South Bend in twenty twenty six, and they've
gotten a lot of heat for that, you know, the well, mostly.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
From ESPN folks. I think there's some other people who
want to like take a shot, take a hot take.
What's odd is this has actually happened for a number
of teams throughout the years. This isn't like the first
time a team has done it. They're just like, oh,
it's the first time a team's doing it because they
just found out they not didn't get in the playoff.
They're like the other teams like Kansas State and Baylor
and Iowa State. They've known for a while now they're
(28:44):
not going, so it's it's different. It's like, no, dude,
here's the reality of it. If you are Notre Dame
and you were propped up to think you were getting
into the playoff for no reason whatsoever other than for
TV dramatics, and now the very same network that has
(29:06):
shunned you wants you to come be a part of
an exhibition game. I'm sure there was a lot of
players who sit there and go, yeah, I'm good because
if you read the statement, this isn't just an athletic
director decision. It's not just a head coach decision. The
team decided not to. So for all the people out
there who don't know how this works, because Notre Dame
(29:29):
is not a part of an affiliated with a conference,
a partial affiliations with the a SEC, which maybe should
be up for debate after how things went this year,
there is you know, unless like when I was there,
unless it was a BCS like you didn't go. Now.
We went my sophomore year after Ty Willingham got fired.
But we had to vote because we were boeligible and
(29:51):
there was a young group of guys who wanted the
chance to try to practice and prove and get better.
And the older classmen were like, no, this is disrespectful
to the past players. If you weren't playing for a
national championship, it doesn't matter. That's how That's how a
lot of those players were and felt. We voted. It
(30:11):
was like a sixty to forty split. And here's the
thing that I'll say, after going through that experience, we
never should have went to that bowl game. And it
wasn't because of the experience. The experience was fine. We
had a ton of fun, No, I mean none of
the older upperclassmen took it seriously. The coaches were trying
to find new jobs, and that's you know, that's and
that's again that's part of that conversation too, where it's
(30:32):
like it's just a bad time of year for you
to play an exhibition game if you're not playing for
a national championship. This is like the type of thought
that people would have back PREBCS, where you'd play your season,
you'd declare who was the conference champ and then you'd
go and you play in a bowl game and they'd
declare who the national champion was. We're not in that
(30:52):
era anymore. We we have a playoff format. So what's
interesting from this the noted purely Notre Dame, is it's
always been how we've thought about things because that's all
we have to play for. Every year, you're either playing
for a national championship or you're not. So I don't
begrudge or I don't look at any of the players
coaches who've made this decision and going to judge them
(31:15):
for that. A because they're not the only school doing it.
There's other schools, And then they have other reasons. There's
new head coaches, you know coming in or they've just
had their head coach leave. So there's some pretty solid
rationale for it. But also I think we have to
look at bowl games a lot differently. These are exhibition
games that have no ties for doing anything that's going
to help these players outside of the young guys getting
(31:38):
a little bit additional practice and maybe some burn time
to play in a game. The risk is too great
for guys getting injured. A lot of these players they're like, hey, man,
I signed up and I'm getting paid now to go
play and win for a national championship, no different than
an NFL player going to play for a Super Bowl.
Once that's over, we done. And that's why guys are
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opting out of the Pro Bowl. The risk is far
greater than the reward. It's why I at no other
level in college football, not FCS, not D two, not
D three, do we sit there and try to make
teams who are not playing in the playoff for a
national championship or playing in the playoff at the NFL
level go play an exhibition game. I do believe that
(32:25):
this only continue to have the ESPN concreated, concocted bull
season continue to go away, and that's what's really behind
all this. ESPN wants to push the narrative in the
forefront because that's who makes money off these other bowl games.
Everything outside of the College Fallall Playoff, and even including
the College Fatall Playoff. It's an ESPN event everything around it.
(32:47):
It's all ESPN Disney pushing this. So the people who
are dumb enough and blind enough to see us, they're like, oh, yeah,
I'll go player to choose a bull, have a bunch
of choose its. And look, my kids love cheese its.
It's just mine too. Yeah, just not pop Tart. I
used to love the brown brown sugar cinnamon. That was
the flavor.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Strawberry I believe is the best though ever, Like, come on, let'.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
That's your opinion. Like brown sugar cinnamon.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
It's the best ever.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
I mean, if they go up, yeah, it's to go.
It's it's the og, it's to go.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
I don't know, man, that's strawberry with the vanilla.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
I would love to I would love to see Notre
Dame at the pop Tart Bowl sitting there with this
gigantic pop tar and us three are all down there
grabbing a bite of it because we went down to
tape a show around the pop tar. I'd love to
see it.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
I woke up with my clothes on from the night
before and yeah, and the security guards were telling me
I just can't sleep on the pop tart, Like, yeah,
I get it.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yeah, because I would have climped on the pop tart
and went to sleep the way I felt.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Oh yeah, I would have did it nice, warm ooey gooey.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Top, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7 (33:55):
I've been right there knocked out the fact that if
it was if this was a decision that was made,
because I think a lot of people looked at it
and said, oh boohoo, as you mentioned the.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Taking all that crap.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
If football, if this was a decision made by Marcus
Freeman and he didn't talk with players about it and
was just like, no, we're not going, And the players
are like, well, wait a second, we do want to.
Then that would be a different story. But they got
together as a team based on the statement they had conversations,
and players are like, f that man, Like, if you're
going to use us as a pawn to boost some
(34:31):
ratings and then you want to after the fact when
you write us out of the script late in the
episode or late in the series. Then you want to
have us come in and partake in this so you
can make money off our name and our brand. F
you like they're one of the programs that sort of
I mean clearly don't need a conference like they've made
that work for decades going on with.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
A network outside of the ESPN, which is again the ESPN's
buttered about.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
And also, like you mentioned, you know players opting out anybody,
Remember you're Jalen Smith. Anybody remember where he was supposed
to go in the draft and what ended up happening
to him. That guy's thirty years old. He should still
be in the league based on what his career was
like at Notre Dame. He took part in an exhibition
game leg never the same, never the same, and still
made a prob was such a good player even on
(35:16):
that knee, still made a Pro Bowl in his career.
So it's like you sit there and judge them all
you want, but you know you want him to be
a part of this whole thing. After you tell them
they're not good enough to be to be part of
the one that they want to be in.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
It just yeah, And the last thing I'll say quickly
is the timing of bowl games that aren't actually a
part of the national championship conversation. They're awful, man. These
guys have a transfer portal window to prepare for. They
just had an early signing day period and window they're
gonna have early enrollies coming in. Like, if your entire
focus is on winning a national championship and it's now
(35:55):
been determined that notre name's not gonna have the chance
to do that, all your efforts and everything are is
going next year in twenty twenty six, is it not?
And so what you're trying to do is retention. Some
guys might be trying to transfer, figure out which guys
are draft eligible and who should go or come back,
and then figure out how you can enhance the roster
of the transfer portal. Wouldn't you want your focus for
your coaches to be there. There's not these robust scouting
(36:17):
departments like an NFL franchise. These guys are evaluating talent,
talking to players at hosting visits, all those things. That's
where the focus is on.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Now.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
If players and people go, oh, the players get players
practice on their own. Dude, do you think you're not
as a quarterback of your CJ car now running practices
and seven on seven things on your own, Like, what
world do you think we live in now? They're like
locked out because they're not playing in a bowl game.
I would be in there with scripts, running seven on
sevens versus the defense, probably two three times a week,
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and we'd film it. We go back and watch together.
The A's a group that was happening twenty years ago.
You don't think it's happening now. Those guys can't do
the players can't get together and do that. It's just
it's absurd that people buy into these narratives set by
ESPN and Disney trying to line their pockets because it
doesn't benefit them, and they just mindlessly tag along instead
(37:08):
of actually stepping back looking at it and like, actually
it makes sense to not playing one.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
I'll tell you this, I don't know what you guys
are up to Saturday night, but I'll be partaking in
the bucked up l A Bowl between Boise State and
Washington on ABC.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
So that'll be I've got two kids in that game.
Yeah that coached?
Speaker 4 (37:23):
What up?
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Two kids? Sterling Lane?
Speaker 4 (37:26):
What you got so damn many kids out there now?
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Derek Derek Ganner Junior. What coach on that Maranatha?
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Yeah? What about? Uh? What about these two kids homes
in Maranatha? That was the the well it's a Christian school,
private school.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
What happened that?
Speaker 1 (37:47):
The figure the better they better opt out church latterday?
Speaker 2 (37:55):
What about? Yeah? What about these two kids?
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Speaker 1 (38:39):
In about ten minutes from now, we're going to tell
you about what looks to be the end of the
road for one team in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
But right now it's time for this.
Speaker 5 (38:47):
Sometimes you can't get to everything in the world of
sports or entertainment. Good thing the guys are here to
bring you in case you missed it.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
And for that we turn it over to our executive producer,
the one and only Justin Cooper.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Coop, What up, guys?
Speaker 5 (39:04):
Now?
Speaker 2 (39:04):
At what am I doing? Exactly?
Speaker 6 (39:20):
Did you guys see that the l l A Metro
voted to approve Frank McCort's uh Dodger Stadium gondola project,
despite many protests from the citizens of Chinatown and around
the Dodger Stadium area. This gondola, I mean, it's gonna
it's gonna be cool.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
I think that was still in the running, like that
was still a possibility. I thought they got rid of that.
Speaker 6 (39:45):
No, LA Metro voted to approve it, and then the
city council will do a vote whether to approve it
later next year.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Want you do something about the bums lighting fires, Why
don't you do something?
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 6 (39:57):
They are gonna do something about that because the Olympics
are coming here, So we'll do something about it for
for a short amount of time and.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Then it'll go back to normal. What a place.
Speaker 6 (40:08):
Got to clean it up for the world stage. You
sure you don't want to go to state college?
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Bar?
Speaker 4 (40:13):
You never know?
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Hey, never, you never know? Could happen, could happen.
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