August 24, 2020 • 38 mins
Clay Travis reacts to the epic game winning shot by Luka Doncic, as the Mavs tie the series 2-2 with the heavily favored Clippers. Clay talks with the crew about Luka being the best 21 year old the NBA has seen in while, and dives into the controversy of what Clippers PF Montrezl Harrell said to Luka. Clay gets the vote from the staff about a Harrell punishment and starts a Twitter poll.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in podcast listeners. We got a bad ass white boy,
even if Montrez Harrold might call him a bitch ass
white boy. Luca shoots his way into legendary status. Also
Mike Millbury, What in the world happened with NBC? Plus
more to dive into surrounding the NFL seventy seven false
positives for the coronavirus and the Big ten Athletic directors
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opposed fourteen to zero, shutting down the season for the fall.
Whitlock joins us as well. We got a loaded Monday
for you. Appreciate all of you listening and hope that
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searching FS are you're listening to Fox Sports Radio. We
had a heck of a game yesterday in the NBA,
a bubble environment that felt like a playoff environment extraordinaire,
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and a moment that felt like a coronation for Luca
don Chick, as he is clearly one of the best
in the in the entirety of the NBA. I got
a bunch of different aspects to jump into associated with this,
but let's start for those of you who missed it
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with the audio of Luca in overtime down one. Here's
what it sounded like. Finny Smith trying to get it
to Luca. They do, but way how side can you
get it away in time? On the step back he does,
he has The Mavericks have won the game. Look at Dodge,
it's with us, It's already at the horn. And a
series of time that in two games apiece that is
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I'm assuming the MAVs radio network. Luca don Chick is
just the third player in NBA history to record at
least forty points, fifteen rebounds, an ten assists in a
postseason game. The others to do so Oscar Robertson back
in nineteen sixty three and Charles Barkley back in nineteen three.
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That is one heck of an incredible accomplishment, particularly when
you consider that Luca was effectively playing on one ankle
and that he was a game time decision whether or
not to play, putting that into even more context. According
to Dallas Mavericks pr, Luca is the first player with
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forty three plus points, seventeen plus rebounds, and thirteen plus
assists in a playoff game in NBA history. The only
other player with that many points, rebounds, and assist in
a regular season game was Wilt Chamberlain back in nineteen
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So we're talking literally about Luca don Chick doing something
that has never been done before in the history of
the NBA. And oh, by the way, he's only twenty
one years old. By the way, this series now tied
up at two two, which is the most important aspect
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of this. The Clippers were coming into the postseason a
team alongside of the Milwaukee Bucks and the l A Lakers,
one of the three teams that was considered a prohibitive
favorite to hoist the hardware at the end of the season.
As if that were not enough, Luca was dealing with
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the fact that he had been called a bitch ass
white boy by Montrez Harrold in the previous game, Game
three worth noting. According to Frank A Solo, who tweeted
this out, Montrez Harrold finished with two points, one rebound,
and one assist in the game. And this is intriguing,
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I think in many respects because the NBA and I
want to get the cruise opinion on this. First of all,
let's start with how good of a performance this was
historically by Luca don Chick. This was the kind of
performance that makes a player a star and also may
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well serve as notice that the two best players in
the n b A certainly when we consider coming back
in for next season, maybe Luca don Chick and Jane.
I think there is a strong argument that Jannis and
Luca are gonna be the two best players in the
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NBA going forward, and that both of them, interestingly, are
foreign and that we almost have a Larry and Magic
for the twenty one century, both of whom are foreign
born players dominating in the NBA. Now, I think Luca
is exactly what the NBA needs because he's a fresh,
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new story and he is a guy that appears appears
to be a pretty electric player in Uh in the NBA,
the likes of which we have not seen for a
very very long time, especially at the age of twenty one.
So the biggest takeaway here to me is that the
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NBA desperately needs positive stories. They need somebody to take
over for uh. Lebron James, who is now thirty five
years old, is eventually over the next couple of years
one would project going to not be the best player
in the NBA anymore. And the hope was, at least
in the NBA with this bubble, it felt like the
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NBA wanted that player to be Zion, like they wanted
for that handoff of celebrity to move And that's kind
of what the NBA might have been hoping for, was
that they were going to get a Lakers Pelican series
and there was gonna be that passing of the baton
from Lebron to Zion instead. I would argue what has
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happened in the bubble is you can make a strong
argument that Luca has been the best all round player
in the NBA since the bubble opened up. If you
consider points, rebounds, assists, you can make a very strong argument.
I know that Damian Lillard won the m v P
of the Bubble to the extent they had in a
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war or associated with that, and that that Damian Lillard
has been and they play tonight the Troublazers do against
the Lakers. One of the biggest, if not the biggest
stories out there, but that Luca has in the space
of the last month and change, really kind of stamped
this league as potentially his or at least a co
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branded league of his with Janice in the years ahead.
When you consider that he's only twenty one years old
and he's doing something in an NBA game that no
one's ever done in a playoff before, and that only
one other player in the history of the game, a
guy by the name of Will Chamberlain, has ever put
up a triple double as impressive as the trio that
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Luca just put up. So, Danny G is that a
fair argument that the NBA is close to becoming Luca
and Janice's league, but even by next year potentially in
terms of the amount of attention, but also in terms
of the amount of talent. Yeah, if you're talking about
guys under twenty five, we were just looking at Janice's age,
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so he's four years older than Luca, and I think
one of the interesting questions about Luca, and again that
shot was such a star making moment and that performance
was such a legendary like performance. The question with Luca
is what's his ceiling. He's twenty one and he's fabulously good.
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Even if this is his ceiling, it's a really high level.
But a guy like Janice built for multiple years to
get to the point where he's probably going to be
a back to back m v P in the league,
whereas Luca is only in his second year in the NBA.
But Luca has been a high level professional for longer
in Europe than Janice was. I believe when Janice came
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into the league, and Janice, to be fair, is a
raw ver version of of a player, and he's continued
to add more and more to his game. Luca is
not an off the charts level athlete like Janice is.
He's more in common, I would say, with a James
Harden like guy uh in terms of a player on
the court who controls the pace of the game despite
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not being the best athlete on the court at all times. Right,
does that make sense? I think if you were comparing
uh Luca to another top player, even though Harden is
not the distributor or the rebounder that Luca is. Harden
would be my argument for a guy that Luca most
resembles in terms of his ability to use his body,
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the eurostep, his ability to get to the rim, the
fact that he isn't a blazing fast player. I would
say that he's more. He has more in common probably
of dominant players that are out there right now with
James Harden than he does with anybody else. Would you
agree with that. I would agree with that. It's just
insane to think that the this is only his second year. Yeah,
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the way he stands out as the most confident player
on the court is what's most crazy. I think I
haven't seen a guy that young, that dominant since Lebron
James was twenty one. And I think the thing that
stands out the most is how he is not intimidated
by anybody. He In fact, they pointed this out on
the broadcast, the way when he's around the rim he
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likes to look at the defenders in the eye before
and after the ball goes up. It's almost like he
knows He's a lion and everybody else on the court
is a meal. It's just insane. What about you, Dub,
I mean, I know you're a big Spurs fan, so
unfortunately for you, this is a different Texas area NBA
team that may have the next huge star. But when
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you look at Luca, who does he remind you of?
And how impressive and important was his performance on Sunday afternoon? Yeah,
the Spurs fan, this is obviously a living nightmare watching
this last night. I mean, this kid is absolutely unbelievable.
In terms of comparison, I like your Herd in comparison.
I think he like in terms of slowing the game down.
I kind of reminds me of Yoka Jump in Denver
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because he is not, you know, the fastest or quickest guy,
but he controls the pace of the game. And that's
exactly what Luca does. But yeah, this this guy is unbelievable.
And last yesterday's performance, I mean I'm just watching on
my couch almost with my jaw open, and and it's
it was unbelievable. Would you agree that it is potentially
as you look towards next season, the argument that it
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could be uh Janice and Lucas League. Yeah, I think so.
I kind of I kind of wish they were both
in the same conference. That would be a little bit
more fun. But if we, if we, I I can
bet you that we're gonna have some uh Luca Janice
finals matchups the next ten years. I don't want to
scare I don't want to scare people who are Bucks fans,
but Luca isn't I mean sorry, but Joannice isn't necessarily
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long term committed to Milwaukee. Yeah, it could be very true.
So we'll see exactly how that ends up shaking out.
And I think how this round of the nb A Playoffs, sorry,
this year of the NBA Playoffs goes, could have a
substantial impact on that. What about you, Eddie, I know
you're not necessarily a die hard NBA guy, but were
you watching Luca yesterday? Well, the show before ours features
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an old friend of mine, Ben Mallor, who's a huge
Clippers fan, and because I we love to root against
the Clippers and give him a hard time, I love
the shot from Luca and it was fantastic, But uh, look,
I think he and Yanna's definitely have the talent to,
you know, be the stars of the league soon. But
they're gonna have to win because without the team's success,
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without the winning and being in the Marquee Games, even
with their talent and even with these great highlights on occasion,
they're not going to be the stars of the league.
They've got to be on teams that win. So to
your point, we'll see if if Beyanna stays in Milwaukee,
or if he if he kind of figures that out,
if the people around him figure that out and say,
maybe he's gotta go elsewhere. Now Lebron one in Cleveland
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where they were franchise, that was irrelevant, So you know,
maybe he can help get that team, you get some
support around him. Maybe, but they gotta win if it's
going to be their league. I think it also will
be an incredibly interesting storyline to follow right now, and
I tweeted this out. You know, it's like Bird and
Magic with a new generation, except they're foreign born who
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like if you right now think about foreign born athletes
who have come to America and dominated in terms of
everybody out there is Oh my god, I'm a huge
fan of this guy, who is the most popular foreign
born athlete in American sports history. I'm not talking for
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everybody out there who's like Roger. I'm talking about people
who Roger Federer. No, no, I'm talking about people who
moved to America right and played all the time in America. Now,
I do think Roger Federer is a strong argument. Connor
McGregor maybe an argument as well guys who are foreign
that have dominated in UH in terms of the overall
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interest level in America. But Roger Federer, obviously it's a
little different because tennis is an international sport and you
can play all over the world, and so people who
are tennis fans follow the best in the world. Connor
McGregor seems to be maybe the argument for a guy
who's foreign but comes to America and sells out venues
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and seems to have been embraced to a large extent
because so far the biggest and best stars and American
sports have needed to be American born in order to
kind of take that next step and and and dominate
at the next level. Um, you know, maybe Usain Bolt
would be an example of a guy who has been
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in America that is foreign, but he's the best in
the world and he's from Jamaica, UH and and he
makes a lot of money in the United States as well,
But I wonder how much that will factor in to
the overall ability of those guys to take over the league.
Lebron obviously, Bird, Magic, Jordan's all those guys are all
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American born. In terms of their overall impact, I'm curious
how that will play in now. I can make a
pitch both ways right here, because I can say my
kids play FIFA, and I see a lot of American
kids walking around in European soccer jerseys of Messy or
Ronaldo or whoever the best player might be. And that's
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why I think that in this international age, a guy
like Pulistic, who I believe is going to be the
greatest American soccer player of all time. And obviously he's
having a lot of success with Chelsea right now. Um,
even though he's foreign, he's American born. He's gonna make
his bones overseas. But I'm curious how much of that
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has changed. Whereas when I was a kid, you kind
of only saw foreign tennis play years. Like, I remember
being a big Boris Becker fan because he won Wimbledon
at a super young age and he played tennis with
such an effervescent, entertaining personality. Even though he was a
German tennis player, he felt like he connected in America
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in a substantial way. But he got to go up
against Andre Agassy's and the early stage, I believe I'm correct,
Pete Sampras's of the world. It's just a little bit
of an intriguing question to think about how much of
a star making turn for you was this for Luca Roberto.
That's awesome, man. Uh, you know, Luca's uh, he's a
stud man. And but even though he's only twenty one,
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he's been he's been playing professionally since he was sixteen
years old. He's been playing against grown man since he
was six years old in the second best basketball league
in the world, which is Spain. So it's it's it's impressive,
and you know, it reminds me of a of a
of a young Lebron James when he first came into
the league. But it's pretty remarkable, man. And it's just
it's great to see like how confident he is on
the court and he is in uh, nobody, he's not
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he's not being pushed over by anybody on the court.
So here's the question that I'm gonna ask you guys,
I'm gonna open up the phone lines. Dub can field
them right. Luca's performance was legendary. We're tied up to
two in the series. That's important in the NBA because
maybe the only first round series that actually ends up
being a legitimate series. Will have to wait and see
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whether there are any other series will find out today
that are going to be six or seven games series
both sides pushing down the stretch or it feels like
to me there's gonna be a lot of sweeps. We've
already got two sweeps, a couple more sweeps potentially coming,
and also several series that may go five games uh
and never really feel like both sides can win. We'll see. Obviously,
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Lakers Blazers Tonight will be will go a long way
towards that. But I also want to unpack a storyline
here which is as good as Luca was, he was
also in many ways, I think, responding to Montrese Harold
who called him a bitch ass white boy. Montrese Harold
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apologized before the game uh was was played and that
was shown on television. But but is the NBA letting
Montrese Harold off far too easy here. In other words,
if Luca had said to Montrese Harold, you're a bitch
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ass black boy, and then responded at the like all
he'd said was, Oh, I'm sorry for that trash talk.
I shouldn't have said it. Would that have been squashed
in the NBA or in a league that claims that
everyone is equal. Did Montrese Harold get a pass for
what seems to me to have been racist insult language
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that he used Montrese Harold did during a basketball game.
What is fair and foul when it comes to trash talk?
Was the bitch ass white boy insult that Montrez Harrold,
who may well have fueled Luca don Chick to an
incredible height of performance? Was that fair or foul? And
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was the NBA's decision to levy no punishment at all
fair or foul, particularly in light of the fact that
the NBA has set the precedent that language that is
hateful is punishable. In fact, remember Kobe Bryant. They used him,
and we talked about it on this show years ago.
They used Kobe Bryant as an example of that. When
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Kobe look up what exactly his suspension was if you
would uh Danny g or the fine that he had
to play uh for pay for anti gay language from
the bench. If many of you remember it back in
the day that was directed at an NBA official, I
want to say it was three or four years ago
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that that happened with Kobe and there was a penalty,
a hundred thousand dollar fine. All right, we'll talk about that.
I'm gonna open up the phone lines eight seven seven
nine nine, six six three six nine. The jury is
in session, the out Kicked jury. What should the punishment
be for Montrese Harrold for what he said? And by
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the way, the punishment may well have been one of
the greatest performances in the history of the NBA playoffs.
This is outkicked the coverage with Clay Travis. We opened
up the phone lines eight seven seven nine six six
three six nine. I have put up a poll question.
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All of you can vote in it. Obviously, go to
my Twitter feed at Clay Travis. Should Montrez Harrold have
been fined and or suspended by the NBA for calling
Luca a quote bitch ass white boy um. And so
here's the way to think about this. For my perspective.
People get mad at me sometimes for my opinions, but
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the way I think about the show, and certainly the
opinions that I share, is I try to build every
opinion I have on prior precedence. Right, So whatever precedent
is being set, I'm going to follow it going forward.
And let me give you an example. Uh, we talked
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about DeShawn Jackson's homophobic comments. Sorry, not homophobic anti submitic comments.
I'm talking about Kobe. I'll get back to Kobe in
a sec. We talked about DeShawn Jackson's anti submitted comments
on this show, and then when Marty Brennaman came was
it Marty Brennaman or Joe Brow. What's the guy's name,
Tom Brennaman. Yeah, when Tom Brenniman came out and had
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a gay slur that he uttered on the air, I
said that their suspension should be similar and or their
treatment should be similar. And I didn't think both should
lose their job because I'm opposed to the idea of
cancel culture in general, but that the precedent should be
the same. So Kobe got fined a hundred thousand dollars.
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It's been nine years now. I can't believe it's been
nine years since that happened. Kobe got fined a hundred
thousand dollars for an anti gay slur that was directed
at an official and uh, and that was kind of
the NBA setting the precedent that you're on court statements
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could be used against you if they were considered to
be of a hateful nature. When I saw Montrez Harrold
called Luca don Chick a bitch ass white boy, to me,
that was a race based insult on the basketball court.
And let me explain what I mean by that. The
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obviously I think everybody out there would be like, yeah,
bitch ass is an insult. I don't think any body
else out there is like, oh, I didn't like that
was an intended insult. The fact that he called him
a bitch ass white boy, to me, all four of
those words are intended as an insult, bitch and ass,
which I don't think anybody would argue with. Boy which
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is I mean Luca, whether you love him or hate
him as a man. So when you're calling someone a boy,
you are referring to them in a you know, emasculated,
childlike fashion. And also his race was to me intended
as part of the insult. Bitch asked white boy is
four words that Montrez Harold is intending to be an insult.
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And if you change the race, if you change the
race to other race or ethnicities, I think most of
you would also hear that as an insult. Now, the
easy one to do is if Luca had called Montrez
Harold a bitch ass black boy, he probably would get
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suspended for the rest of the NBA playoffs, and he
would be the number one story in all of sports,
and everybody would be calling him racist. So if Luca
says to Montrese Harold what Montrez Harrold said to him,
it's the number one story in sports, the NBA probably
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suspends him for the rest of the playoffs. They might
also suspend him for games to start next season, and
Luca is the number one story in all of sports,
and everybody's like, oh, Luca don Chick is a huge racist,
all right. So that's the black white angle. I don't
even think you can hardly make any arguments otherwise. Let's
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take it outside of black and white. If uh, if
one of these guys on the basketball court says to another,
you are a bitch ass Mexican boy. I think most
people see Mexican as an insult in that context. If
someone says you are a bitch ass Chinese boy, I
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think most people would see Chinese as an insult in
the context of that statement. In other words, if Jeremy
Lynn had been called a bitch ass Chinese boy, I
think most people would see the reference to his his
his at that at that point, his country of origin
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as an insult. Right. If Yao Ming had been called
a bitch ass Chinese boy, I think most people would
see the Chinese reference as in being included as a
part of the insult. And if the n B A So,
that's that's my analyst. I'm gonna bring in the crew
see what they think. And also I want to have
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the outkicked jury. Every now and then we bring in
the outkicked jury. I'm gonna open up the phone lines
here and take your calls here momentarily eight seven seven
six six three six nine. All right, So do you
see that as a race based insult? I do? I
think the white in the bitch asked White boy insult
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was intended as an insult race based insult. If we
are going to argue, of all times, right now, when
the NBA literally has players with equality on the back
of their jerseys, and when Lebron James loves to run
around with equality sneakers, right now Montrez Harold apologized. Would
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Luca have been able to walk up to Montrese Harold
and apologize and the story just disappear? I think all
of you know the answer is no. And so if
the NBA truly wants to be an equal lead, shouldn't
the punishment for Montrese Harold be the exact same as
the punishment would have been for Ka don Chick. I
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think the answer is yes, and I don't believe that
there's any way to argue that that punishment has been equal.
Luca would have been far more punished for saying the
exact same thing about Montrez than Uh than Uh than
than Montrez was. Now Luca got his revenge. To his credit.
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This is the way I wish situations like this were handled.
But is this the precedent that the NBA has set?
Do you believe, Danny G that this was intended to
be a racial insult by Montrese Harrold? And do you
think there should have been a fine or suspension based
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on the trash talk precedent that the NBA set with
Kobe Bryant Man. This was such a huge argument over
the weekend, and I was reading both sides going back,
I think this is the only place that will actually
have this argument. I think you're right that it was
a big discussion online. I haven't seen anybody write it, right.
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I haven't seen anybody other than to his credit, Gary
Sheffield Jr. One of our writers. Uh, I read that.
I read his column. That was a good one. He
wrote a column Saturday morning saying that if the NBA
cares about equality, they need to suspend Montrez Harrold. Based
on what he said, this happened Friday night, right, This
happened Friday night in the NBA, and I thought his
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column was a strong one. He's the only person I saw.
You may have seen somebody with an audience, like on
a site. I didn't see any other columnists write that
opinion that if the NBA cares about equality, they would
they would suspend there. So what do you think, how
would you contextualize this situation? Well, where it's a little
bit tricky and and your boy Doug Gottlie made a
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little video. I don't know if you saw that on Twitter.
He obviously played basketball at a pretty high level, and
he said he heard things like this all throughout his
life on the basketball court, because obviously, if you're not
can you play professional basketball. You're the minority, so you're
gonna hear these kind of things. And Doug's point was,
you just gotta have thick skin and brush it off.
I understand that argument completely, But the argument is actually
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interesting because what we have is a minority on the
basketball court in the NBA for sure. Right while he
may not be a minority in the country, Luca is
a minority on the basketball court. So what you have
is a majority culture that is detigrating another culture within
the context of the basketball court. I understand Doug's perspective.
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Luca can't like curl up in the fetal position and cry,
and he he's gonna look soft if he complains about
what somebody is saying to him. I'm not talking about
the way that Luca should respond. I think Luca responded
perfectly by basically making Montrese harold his bitch. Let's be honest,
if anybody is the bitch in the Montrese, Harold lo Good,
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don check relationship. It is Montrez Harreld and Luca made
sure that everybody saw it prison style on the basketball court,
all right. So that's Luca's response is the appropriate one,
And I understand Doug's perspective. I'm talking about the league's response.
We are a s j W league. We are a
social justice warrior league. They've already set the precedent with
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Kobe Bryant that if you trash talk on the league
in an in in in a league event, in an
inappropriate way, the league determines we will at least find you.
And so I'm not I understand the argument of Luca
shouldn't like ask for help. I agree with that. What
I'm saying is, if you're Adam Silver, what is the
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appropriate response here in light of the NBA claiming to
be an equality laden league. Yeah, no doubt the NBA
if I do too, because they put themselves into this
position with their ants on social issues in our country.
We know besides our country, they're not really outspoken obviously
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with everything. They don't care about China at all. This
is just another example of hypocrisy. But the focus though
on the internet argument over the weekend was was it
a slur? Because the part that would bother me if
I'm Luca was bitch asked more than being called white boy. Now,
if he had been said like cracker or something like that,
then that's a quote unquote I think only yeah, But
I think there's zeroed out the way you read it,
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that all of that is intended to be an insult.
Right if he had said, uh, bitch ass uh, you know,
like uh mfor right, then I would be like, okay,
Like whether you agree or disagree with it, he's not
particularly referencing the race. When you reference someone's race as
a part of an insult, to me, it's a racial insult.
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Like if again just take it outside of black white,
if somebody says bitch ass Chinese boy to to to
to Yao Ming or to Jeremy Lynn, then to me,
that's clearly an insult based on them being Chinese. And
I know it's a little bit different. You could say
bitch ass Asian boy would be the same thing, or
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bitch ass Hispanic boy. But I think it's more likely
in a basketball context that he would be called Chinese.
And I think, uh, it's more likely and I'm curious
what Roberto thinks that, you know, you would be called
a bitch ass Mexican boy in a context like that
as opposed to a bitch ass Hispanic boy. Right, So
to me, I don't think there's any doubt that this
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was a race based insult, because otherwise, you know, like
he could just call him the bitch ass, you know,
m F or I've gotta be careful not to curse here,
And I think people would be like, Okay, that sounds
like normal, uh, normal trash talk. And remember, by the way,
how angry Lebron got when Draymond Green called him a bit?
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Do you guys remember that that was arguably the impetus
behind the decision, uh, partly to give Lebron the fuel
to come back from that three one deficit. If I'm
not mistaken, Draymond Green called Lebron a bitch in that
game where they went up three one, and then Draymond
got suspended. Right now, did he get suspended for calling
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Lebron a bitch? Or was it calling him a bit?
And also wasn't there like a foul related incident? Um?
All right, we let's continue this conversation again. We'll load
up the phone lines. I will go to you on
the out Kick Jury eight seven seven nine nine six
six three six nine. If you don't have time to
call in, you can go vote in our poll. Question
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really quick. Draymond Green not only called him a bit,
he hit him in the groin after he got a
one game suspension. Right, he missed game five. But remember
how much of a story it was for Draymond to
call Lebron a bitch That blew up into a huge story.
This insult is worse than that one. All right, when
we come back, we'll take your calls. This is Outkicked
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the coverage with Clay Traffics. All right, I'm gonna go
around the crew here and get their opinions because we
got loaded lines. But I'll start taking your calls to
start off our two here, so I appreciate everybody waiting
out there. Eight seven seven nine nine six six three
six nine. The Outkicked Jury will weigh in next. Danny J.
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Your you ultimately alighting on suspension, I mean sorry or
a fine, yes, because ultimately I think it was meant
to be derogatory. Okay, what about you, dub Yeah, I
think a fine at a minimum and I think the
argument if the rules were reversed here, it would be chaos.
Do you doubt that Lucas like his careers in question?
In the NBA? It would be the number one story
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in sports for a week. Yeah, what about you, Eddie?
I agree with dubs take. I say, one game suspension
and a fine. See that to me is the easy call.
It's not that significant because Montrez Harrold isn't, let's be honest,
that huge of an impact player for the Clippers. Overall,
one game suspension and a fine, then the NBA is
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sending a message that is consistent because now, if something
like this happens for a player and it is a
white player, and it's considered to be something offensive to
a black player, then that everybody's gonna look back and say,
wait a minute, you didn't do anything. I think everybody
should be treated the same. I don't think this is
a massively significant issue in terms of the way it
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impacts play, but I think you can send a message
pretty clear one that race based insults will not be permitted.
What do you think, Roberto? Would you go suspension and
or fine? No suspension? Guys, just define all right? So
what do you think the reaction would be Roberto, so
you're on board with the fine. What do you think
the reaction would have been if Luca had called old
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uh Montrese Harold a bitch ass black boy. Yeah, I agree,
I think it will be a whole different story. But
shouldn't in theory that be the exact same? Yeah? Does
anybody didn't? Did anybody think that all of this, whether
you're uh, you know, Asian, Hispanic, black, white playing on
the basketball court, if it is a insult that involves
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the race, the punishment should be same across the board. Yeah,
No matter what side you want to try to argue,
I don't see how you can argue double standard. In
the end, if somebody would have called me a bitch
ass Mexican boy, I would have been more assaulted by
the bitch ass boy. Right. But also, but you understand
my argument that all four of those words, basically I
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believe in the intent of Montrese Harold, were designed to
be insults, and all of them were basically designed to
to be synonyms for soft right. You're a bit, you're
an ass, you're white, and you're a boy. All of
it is like your soft right. It's to me, that
is one compartment of the whole insult. And if I
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heard bitch ass Mexican boy, or if I heard bitch
ass Chinese boy, or if I heard bitch ass Black boy,
I would hear all of those as one part of
a whole that is designed to denigrate you on every level,
including your race. Now we can get into a discussion
about why it's okay to go with you know, bitch
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ass and and boy as insults, but not the race.
And that's the one that puts it over the top.
That's intriguing in and of itself, right, But I think
fine and or suspension should have happened in the NBA.
It didn't, and I think the response would be totally
different if Luca had done it. What does the OutKick
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jury think? We will go to the OutKick jury and
allow them to decide this plus crazy story out of
the NBA where they had seventies seven false positives for COVID.
How often are false positive tests? And athletics will discuss
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searching FS are you're listening to Fox Sports Radio. We
had a heck of a game yesterday in the NBA,
a bubble environment that felt like a playoff environment extraordinaire,
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and a moment that felt like a coronation for Luca
don Chick, as he is clearly one of the best
in the in the entirety of the NBA. I got
a bunch of different aspects to jump into associated with this,
but let's start for those of you who missed it
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with the audio of Luca in overtime down one. Here's
what it sounded like. Finny Smith trying to get it
to Luca. They do, but way how side can you
get it away in time? On the step back he does,
he has The Mavericks have won the game. Look at Dodge,
it's with us, It's already at the horn. And a
series of time that in two games apiece that is
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I'm assuming the MAVs radio network. Luca don Chick is
just the third player in NBA history to record at
least forty points, fifteen rebounds, an ten assists in a
postseason game. The others to do so Oscar Robertson back
in nineteen sixty three and Charles Barkley back in nineteen three.
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That is one heck of an incredible accomplishment, particularly when
you consider that Luca was effectively playing on one ankle
and that he was a game time decision whether or
not to play, putting that into even more context. According
to Dallas Mavericks pr, Luca is the first player with
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forty three plus points, seventeen plus rebounds, and thirteen plus
assists in a playoff game in NBA history. The only
other player with that many points, rebounds, and assist in
a regular season game was Wilt Chamberlain back in nineteen
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So we're talking literally about Luca don Chick doing something
that has never been done before in the history of
the NBA. And oh, by the way, he's only twenty
one years old. By the way, this series now tied
up at two two, which is the most important aspect
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of this. The Clippers were coming into the postseason a
team alongside of the Milwaukee Bucks and the l A Lakers,
one of the three teams that was considered a prohibitive
favorite to hoist the hardware at the end of the season.
As if that were not enough, Luca was dealing with
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the fact that he had been called a bitch ass
white boy by Montrez Harrold in the previous game, Game
three worth noting. According to Frank A Solo, who tweeted
this out, Montrez Harrold finished with two points, one rebound,
and one assist in the game. And this is intriguing,
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I think in many respects because the NBA and I
want to get the cruise opinion on this. First of all,
let's start with how good of a performance this was
historically by Luca don Chick. This was the kind of
performance that makes a player a star and also may
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well serve as notice that the two best players in
the n b A certainly when we consider coming back
in for next season, maybe Luca don Chick and Jane.
I think there is a strong argument that Jannis and
Luca are gonna be the two best players in the
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NBA going forward, and that both of them, interestingly, are
foreign and that we almost have a Larry and Magic
for the twenty one century, both of whom are foreign
born players dominating in the NBA. Now, I think Luca
is exactly what the NBA needs because he's a fresh,
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new story and he is a guy that appears appears
to be a pretty electric player in Uh in the NBA,
the likes of which we have not seen for a
very very long time, especially at the age of twenty one.
So the biggest takeaway here to me is that the
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NBA desperately needs positive stories. They need somebody to take
over for uh. Lebron James, who is now thirty five
years old, is eventually over the next couple of years
one would project going to not be the best player
in the NBA anymore. And the hope was, at least
in the NBA with this bubble, it felt like the
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NBA wanted that player to be Zion, like they wanted
for that handoff of celebrity to move And that's kind
of what the NBA might have been hoping for, was
that they were going to get a Lakers Pelican series
and there was gonna be that passing of the baton
from Lebron to Zion instead. I would argue what has
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happened in the bubble is you can make a strong
argument that Luca has been the best all round player
in the NBA since the bubble opened up. If you
consider points, rebounds, assists, you can make a very strong argument.
I know that Damian Lillard won the m v P
of the Bubble to the extent they had in a
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war or associated with that, and that that Damian Lillard
has been and they play tonight the Troublazers do against
the Lakers. One of the biggest, if not the biggest
stories out there, but that Luca has in the space
of the last month and change, really kind of stamped
this league as potentially his or at least a co
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branded league of his with Janice in the years ahead.
When you consider that he's only twenty one years old
and he's doing something in an NBA game that no
one's ever done in a playoff before, and that only
one other player in the history of the game, a
guy by the name of Will Chamberlain, has ever put
up a triple double as impressive as the trio that
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Luca just put up. So, Danny G is that a
fair argument that the NBA is close to becoming Luca
and Janice's league, but even by next year potentially in
terms of the amount of attention, but also in terms
of the amount of talent. Yeah, if you're talking about
guys under twenty five, we were just looking at Janice's age,
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so he's four years older than Luca, and I think
one of the interesting questions about Luca, and again that
shot was such a star making moment and that performance
was such a legendary like performance. The question with Luca
is what's his ceiling. He's twenty one and he's fabulously good.
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Even if this is his ceiling, it's a really high level.
But a guy like Janice built for multiple years to
get to the point where he's probably going to be
a back to back m v P in the league,
whereas Luca is only in his second year in the NBA.
But Luca has been a high level professional for longer
in Europe than Janice was. I believe when Janice came
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into the league, and Janice, to be fair, is a
raw ver version of of a player, and he's continued
to add more and more to his game. Luca is
not an off the charts level athlete like Janice is.
He's more in common, I would say, with a James
Harden like guy uh in terms of a player on
the court who controls the pace of the game despite
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not being the best athlete on the court at all times. Right,
does that make sense? I think if you were comparing
uh Luca to another top player, even though Harden is
not the distributor or the rebounder that Luca is. Harden
would be my argument for a guy that Luca most
resembles in terms of his ability to use his body,
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the eurostep, his ability to get to the rim, the
fact that he isn't a blazing fast player. I would
say that he's more. He has more in common probably
of dominant players that are out there right now with
James Harden than he does with anybody else. Would you
agree with that. I would agree with that. It's just
insane to think that the this is only his second year. Yeah,
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the way he stands out as the most confident player
on the court is what's most crazy. I think I
haven't seen a guy that young, that dominant since Lebron
James was twenty one. And I think the thing that
stands out the most is how he is not intimidated
by anybody. He In fact, they pointed this out on
the broadcast, the way when he's around the rim he
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likes to look at the defenders in the eye before
and after the ball goes up. It's almost like he
knows He's a lion and everybody else on the court
is a meal. It's just insane. What about you, Dub,
I mean, I know you're a big Spurs fan, so
unfortunately for you, this is a different Texas area NBA
team that may have the next huge star. But when
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you look at Luca, who does he remind you of?
And how impressive and important was his performance on Sunday afternoon? Yeah,
the Spurs fan, this is obviously a living nightmare watching
this last night. I mean, this kid is absolutely unbelievable.
In terms of comparison, I like your Herd in comparison.
I think he like in terms of slowing the game down.
I kind of reminds me of Yoka Jump in Denver
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because he is not, you know, the fastest or quickest guy,
but he controls the pace of the game. And that's
exactly what Luca does. But yeah, this this guy is unbelievable.
And last yesterday's performance, I mean I'm just watching on
my couch almost with my jaw open, and and it's
it was unbelievable. Would you agree that it is potentially
as you look towards next season, the argument that it
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could be uh Janice and Lucas League. Yeah, I think so.
I kind of I kind of wish they were both
in the same conference. That would be a little bit
more fun. But if we, if we, I I can
bet you that we're gonna have some uh Luca Janice
finals matchups the next ten years. I don't want to
scare I don't want to scare people who are Bucks fans,
but Luca isn't I mean sorry, but Joannice isn't necessarily
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long term committed to Milwaukee. Yeah, it could be very true.
So we'll see exactly how that ends up shaking out.
And I think how this round of the nb A Playoffs, sorry,
this year of the NBA Playoffs goes, could have a
substantial impact on that. What about you, Eddie, I know
you're not necessarily a die hard NBA guy, but were
you watching Luca yesterday? Well, the show before ours features
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an old friend of mine, Ben Mallor, who's a huge
Clippers fan, and because I we love to root against
the Clippers and give him a hard time, I love
the shot from Luca and it was fantastic, But uh, look,
I think he and Yanna's definitely have the talent to,
you know, be the stars of the league soon. But
they're gonna have to win because without the team's success,
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without the winning and being in the Marquee Games, even
with their talent and even with these great highlights on occasion,
they're not going to be the stars of the league.
They've got to be on teams that win. So to
your point, we'll see if if Beyanna stays in Milwaukee,
or if he if he kind of figures that out,
if the people around him figure that out and say,
maybe he's gotta go elsewhere. Now Lebron one in Cleveland
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where they were franchise, that was irrelevant, So you know,
maybe he can help get that team, you get some
support around him. Maybe, but they gotta win if it's
going to be their league. I think it also will
be an incredibly interesting storyline to follow right now, and
I tweeted this out. You know, it's like Bird and
Magic with a new generation, except they're foreign born who
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like if you right now think about foreign born athletes
who have come to America and dominated in terms of
everybody out there is Oh my god, I'm a huge
fan of this guy, who is the most popular foreign
born athlete in American sports history. I'm not talking for
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everybody out there who's like Roger. I'm talking about people
who Roger Federer. No, no, I'm talking about people who
moved to America right and played all the time in America. Now,
I do think Roger Federer is a strong argument. Connor
McGregor maybe an argument as well guys who are foreign
that have dominated in UH in terms of the overall
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interest level in America. But Roger Federer, obviously it's a
little different because tennis is an international sport and you
can play all over the world, and so people who
are tennis fans follow the best in the world. Connor
McGregor seems to be maybe the argument for a guy
who's foreign but comes to America and sells out venues
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and seems to have been embraced to a large extent
because so far the biggest and best stars and American
sports have needed to be American born in order to
kind of take that next step and and and dominate
at the next level. Um, you know, maybe Usain Bolt
would be an example of a guy who has been
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in America that is foreign, but he's the best in
the world and he's from Jamaica, UH and and he
makes a lot of money in the United States as well,
But I wonder how much that will factor in to
the overall ability of those guys to take over the league.
Lebron obviously, Bird, Magic, Jordan's all those guys are all
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American born. In terms of their overall impact, I'm curious
how that will play in now. I can make a
pitch both ways right here, because I can say my
kids play FIFA, and I see a lot of American
kids walking around in European soccer jerseys of Messy or
Ronaldo or whoever the best player might be. And that's
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why I think that in this international age, a guy
like Pulistic, who I believe is going to be the
greatest American soccer player of all time. And obviously he's
having a lot of success with Chelsea right now. Um,
even though he's foreign, he's American born. He's gonna make
his bones overseas. But I'm curious how much of that
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has changed. Whereas when I was a kid, you kind
of only saw foreign tennis play years. Like, I remember
being a big Boris Becker fan because he won Wimbledon
at a super young age and he played tennis with
such an effervescent, entertaining personality. Even though he was a
German tennis player, he felt like he connected in America
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in a substantial way. But he got to go up
against Andre Agassy's and the early stage, I believe I'm correct,
Pete Sampras's of the world. It's just a little bit
of an intriguing question to think about how much of
a star making turn for you was this for Luca Roberto.
That's awesome, man. Uh, you know, Luca's uh, he's a
stud man. And but even though he's only twenty one,
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he's been he's been playing professionally since he was sixteen
years old. He's been playing against grown man since he
was six years old in the second best basketball league
in the world, which is Spain. So it's it's it's impressive,
and you know, it reminds me of a of a
of a young Lebron James when he first came into
the league. But it's pretty remarkable, man. And it's just
it's great to see like how confident he is on
the court and he is in uh, nobody, he's not
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he's not being pushed over by anybody on the court.
So here's the question that I'm gonna ask you guys,
I'm gonna open up the phone lines. Dub can field
them right. Luca's performance was legendary. We're tied up to
two in the series. That's important in the NBA because
maybe the only first round series that actually ends up
being a legitimate series. Will have to wait and see
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whether there are any other series will find out today
that are going to be six or seven games series
both sides pushing down the stretch or it feels like
to me there's gonna be a lot of sweeps. We've
already got two sweeps, a couple more sweeps potentially coming,
and also several series that may go five games uh
and never really feel like both sides can win. We'll see. Obviously,
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Lakers Blazers Tonight will be will go a long way
towards that. But I also want to unpack a storyline
here which is as good as Luca was, he was
also in many ways, I think, responding to Montrese Harold
who called him a bitch ass white boy. Montrese Harold
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apologized before the game uh was was played and that
was shown on television. But but is the NBA letting
Montrese Harold off far too easy here. In other words,
if Luca had said to Montrese Harold, you're a bitch
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ass black boy, and then responded at the like all
he'd said was, Oh, I'm sorry for that trash talk.
I shouldn't have said it. Would that have been squashed
in the NBA or in a league that claims that
everyone is equal. Did Montrese Harold get a pass for
what seems to me to have been racist insult language
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that he used Montrese Harold did during a basketball game.
What is fair and foul when it comes to trash talk?
Was the bitch ass white boy insult that Montrez Harrold,
who may well have fueled Luca don Chick to an
incredible height of performance? Was that fair or foul? And
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was the NBA's decision to levy no punishment at all
fair or foul, particularly in light of the fact that
the NBA has set the precedent that language that is
hateful is punishable. In fact, remember Kobe Bryant. They used him,
and we talked about it on this show years ago.
They used Kobe Bryant as an example of that. When
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Kobe look up what exactly his suspension was if you
would uh Danny g or the fine that he had
to play uh for pay for anti gay language from
the bench. If many of you remember it back in
the day that was directed at an NBA official, I
want to say it was three or four years ago
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that that happened with Kobe and there was a penalty,
a hundred thousand dollar fine. All right, we'll talk about that.
I'm gonna open up the phone lines eight seven seven
nine nine, six six three six nine. The jury is
in session, the out Kicked jury. What should the punishment
be for Montrese Harrold for what he said? And by
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the way, the punishment may well have been one of
the greatest performances in the history of the NBA playoffs.
This is outkicked the coverage with Clay Travis. We opened
up the phone lines eight seven seven nine six six
three six nine. I have put up a poll question.
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All of you can vote in it. Obviously, go to
my Twitter feed at Clay Travis. Should Montrez Harrold have
been fined and or suspended by the NBA for calling
Luca a quote bitch ass white boy um. And so
here's the way to think about this. For my perspective.
People get mad at me sometimes for my opinions, but
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the way I think about the show, and certainly the
opinions that I share, is I try to build every
opinion I have on prior precedence. Right, So whatever precedent
is being set, I'm going to follow it going forward.
And let me give you an example. Uh, we talked
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about DeShawn Jackson's homophobic comments. Sorry, not homophobic anti submitic comments.
I'm talking about Kobe. I'll get back to Kobe in
a sec. We talked about DeShawn Jackson's anti submitted comments
on this show, and then when Marty Brennaman came was
it Marty Brennaman or Joe Brow. What's the guy's name,
Tom Brennaman. Yeah, when Tom Brenniman came out and had
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a gay slur that he uttered on the air, I
said that their suspension should be similar and or their
treatment should be similar. And I didn't think both should
lose their job because I'm opposed to the idea of
cancel culture in general, but that the precedent should be
the same. So Kobe got fined a hundred thousand dollars.
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It's been nine years now. I can't believe it's been
nine years since that happened. Kobe got fined a hundred
thousand dollars for an anti gay slur that was directed
at an official and uh, and that was kind of
the NBA setting the precedent that you're on court statements
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could be used against you if they were considered to
be of a hateful nature. When I saw Montrez Harrold
called Luca don Chick a bitch ass white boy, to me,
that was a race based insult on the basketball court.
And let me explain what I mean by that. The
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obviously I think everybody out there would be like, yeah,
bitch ass is an insult. I don't think any body
else out there is like, oh, I didn't like that
was an intended insult. The fact that he called him
a bitch ass white boy, to me, all four of
those words are intended as an insult, bitch and ass,
which I don't think anybody would argue with. Boy which
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is I mean Luca, whether you love him or hate
him as a man. So when you're calling someone a boy,
you are referring to them in a you know, emasculated,
childlike fashion. And also his race was to me intended
as part of the insult. Bitch asked white boy is
four words that Montrez Harold is intending to be an insult.
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And if you change the race, if you change the
race to other race or ethnicities, I think most of
you would also hear that as an insult. Now, the
easy one to do is if Luca had called Montrez
Harold a bitch ass black boy, he probably would get
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suspended for the rest of the NBA playoffs, and he
would be the number one story in all of sports,
and everybody would be calling him racist. So if Luca
says to Montrese Harold what Montrez Harrold said to him,
it's the number one story in sports, the NBA probably
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suspends him for the rest of the playoffs. They might
also suspend him for games to start next season, and
Luca is the number one story in all of sports,
and everybody's like, oh, Luca don Chick is a huge racist,
all right. So that's the black white angle. I don't
even think you can hardly make any arguments otherwise. Let's
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take it outside of black and white. If uh, if
one of these guys on the basketball court says to another,
you are a bitch ass Mexican boy. I think most
people see Mexican as an insult in that context. If
someone says you are a bitch ass Chinese boy, I
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think most people would see Chinese as an insult in
the context of that statement. In other words, if Jeremy
Lynn had been called a bitch ass Chinese boy, I
think most people would see the reference to his his
his at that at that point, his country of origin
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as an insult. Right. If Yao Ming had been called
a bitch ass Chinese boy, I think most people would
see the Chinese reference as in being included as a
part of the insult. And if the n B A So,
that's that's my analyst. I'm gonna bring in the crew
see what they think. And also I want to have
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the outkicked jury. Every now and then we bring in
the outkicked jury. I'm gonna open up the phone lines
here and take your calls here momentarily eight seven seven
six six three six nine. All right, So do you
see that as a race based insult? I do? I
think the white in the bitch asked White boy insult
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was intended as an insult race based insult. If we
are going to argue, of all times, right now, when
the NBA literally has players with equality on the back
of their jerseys, and when Lebron James loves to run
around with equality sneakers, right now Montrez Harold apologized. Would
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Luca have been able to walk up to Montrese Harold
and apologize and the story just disappear? I think all
of you know the answer is no. And so if
the NBA truly wants to be an equal lead, shouldn't
the punishment for Montrese Harold be the exact same as
the punishment would have been for Ka don Chick. I
(27:01):
think the answer is yes, and I don't believe that
there's any way to argue that that punishment has been equal.
Luca would have been far more punished for saying the
exact same thing about Montrez than Uh than Uh than
than Montrez was. Now Luca got his revenge. To his credit.
(27:23):
This is the way I wish situations like this were handled.
But is this the precedent that the NBA has set?
Do you believe, Danny G that this was intended to
be a racial insult by Montrese Harrold? And do you
think there should have been a fine or suspension based
(27:44):
on the trash talk precedent that the NBA set with
Kobe Bryant Man. This was such a huge argument over
the weekend, and I was reading both sides going back,
I think this is the only place that will actually
have this argument. I think you're right that it was
a big discussion online. I haven't seen anybody write it, right.
(28:04):
I haven't seen anybody other than to his credit, Gary
Sheffield Jr. One of our writers. Uh, I read that.
I read his column. That was a good one. He
wrote a column Saturday morning saying that if the NBA
cares about equality, they need to suspend Montrez Harrold. Based
on what he said, this happened Friday night, right, This
happened Friday night in the NBA, and I thought his
(28:27):
column was a strong one. He's the only person I saw.
You may have seen somebody with an audience, like on
a site. I didn't see any other columnists write that
opinion that if the NBA cares about equality, they would
they would suspend there. So what do you think, how
would you contextualize this situation? Well, where it's a little
bit tricky and and your boy Doug Gottlie made a
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little video. I don't know if you saw that on Twitter.
He obviously played basketball at a pretty high level, and
he said he heard things like this all throughout his
life on the basketball court, because obviously, if you're not
can you play professional basketball. You're the minority, so you're
gonna hear these kind of things. And Doug's point was,
you just gotta have thick skin and brush it off.
I understand that argument completely, But the argument is actually
(29:13):
interesting because what we have is a minority on the
basketball court in the NBA for sure. Right while he
may not be a minority in the country, Luca is
a minority on the basketball court. So what you have
is a majority culture that is detigrating another culture within
the context of the basketball court. I understand Doug's perspective.
(29:37):
Luca can't like curl up in the fetal position and cry,
and he he's gonna look soft if he complains about
what somebody is saying to him. I'm not talking about
the way that Luca should respond. I think Luca responded
perfectly by basically making Montrese harold his bitch. Let's be honest,
if anybody is the bitch in the Montrese, Harold lo Good,
(30:00):
don check relationship. It is Montrez Harreld and Luca made
sure that everybody saw it prison style on the basketball court,
all right. So that's Luca's response is the appropriate one,
And I understand Doug's perspective. I'm talking about the league's response.
We are a s j W league. We are a
social justice warrior league. They've already set the precedent with
(30:23):
Kobe Bryant that if you trash talk on the league
in an in in in a league event, in an
inappropriate way, the league determines we will at least find you.
And so I'm not I understand the argument of Luca
shouldn't like ask for help. I agree with that. What
I'm saying is, if you're Adam Silver, what is the
(30:46):
appropriate response here in light of the NBA claiming to
be an equality laden league. Yeah, no doubt the NBA
if I do too, because they put themselves into this
position with their ants on social issues in our country.
We know besides our country, they're not really outspoken obviously
(31:07):
with everything. They don't care about China at all. This
is just another example of hypocrisy. But the focus though
on the internet argument over the weekend was was it
a slur? Because the part that would bother me if
I'm Luca was bitch asked more than being called white boy. Now,
if he had been said like cracker or something like that,
then that's a quote unquote I think only yeah, But
I think there's zeroed out the way you read it,
(31:30):
that all of that is intended to be an insult.
Right if he had said, uh, bitch ass uh, you know,
like uh mfor right, then I would be like, okay,
Like whether you agree or disagree with it, he's not
particularly referencing the race. When you reference someone's race as
a part of an insult, to me, it's a racial insult.
(31:52):
Like if again just take it outside of black white,
if somebody says bitch ass Chinese boy to to to
to Yao Ming or to Jeremy Lynn, then to me,
that's clearly an insult based on them being Chinese. And
I know it's a little bit different. You could say
bitch ass Asian boy would be the same thing, or
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bitch ass Hispanic boy. But I think it's more likely
in a basketball context that he would be called Chinese.
And I think, uh, it's more likely and I'm curious
what Roberto thinks that, you know, you would be called
a bitch ass Mexican boy in a context like that
as opposed to a bitch ass Hispanic boy. Right, So
to me, I don't think there's any doubt that this
(32:35):
was a race based insult, because otherwise, you know, like
he could just call him the bitch ass, you know,
m F or I've gotta be careful not to curse here,
And I think people would be like, Okay, that sounds
like normal, uh, normal trash talk. And remember, by the way,
how angry Lebron got when Draymond Green called him a bit?
(32:58):
Do you guys remember that that was arguably the impetus
behind the decision, uh, partly to give Lebron the fuel
to come back from that three one deficit. If I'm
not mistaken, Draymond Green called Lebron a bitch in that
game where they went up three one, and then Draymond
got suspended. Right now, did he get suspended for calling
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Lebron a bitch? Or was it calling him a bit?
And also wasn't there like a foul related incident? Um?
All right, we let's continue this conversation again. We'll load
up the phone lines. I will go to you on
the out Kick Jury eight seven seven nine nine six
six three six nine. If you don't have time to
call in, you can go vote in our poll. Question
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really quick. Draymond Green not only called him a bit,
he hit him in the groin after he got a
one game suspension. Right, he missed game five. But remember
how much of a story it was for Draymond to
call Lebron a bitch That blew up into a huge story.
This insult is worse than that one. All right, when
we come back, we'll take your calls. This is Outkicked
(34:07):
the coverage with Clay Traffics. All right, I'm gonna go
around the crew here and get their opinions because we
got loaded lines. But I'll start taking your calls to
start off our two here, so I appreciate everybody waiting
out there. Eight seven seven nine nine six six three
six nine. The Outkicked Jury will weigh in next. Danny J.
(34:30):
Your you ultimately alighting on suspension, I mean sorry or
a fine, yes, because ultimately I think it was meant
to be derogatory. Okay, what about you, dub Yeah, I
think a fine at a minimum and I think the
argument if the rules were reversed here, it would be chaos.
Do you doubt that Lucas like his careers in question?
In the NBA? It would be the number one story
(34:51):
in sports for a week. Yeah, what about you, Eddie?
I agree with dubs take. I say, one game suspension
and a fine. See that to me is the easy call.
It's not that significant because Montrez Harrold isn't, let's be honest,
that huge of an impact player for the Clippers. Overall,
one game suspension and a fine, then the NBA is
(35:14):
sending a message that is consistent because now, if something
like this happens for a player and it is a
white player, and it's considered to be something offensive to
a black player, then that everybody's gonna look back and say,
wait a minute, you didn't do anything. I think everybody
should be treated the same. I don't think this is
a massively significant issue in terms of the way it
(35:38):
impacts play, but I think you can send a message
pretty clear one that race based insults will not be permitted.
What do you think, Roberto? Would you go suspension and
or fine? No suspension? Guys, just define all right? So
what do you think the reaction would be Roberto, so
you're on board with the fine. What do you think
the reaction would have been if Luca had called old
(36:00):
uh Montrese Harold a bitch ass black boy. Yeah, I agree,
I think it will be a whole different story. But
shouldn't in theory that be the exact same? Yeah? Does
anybody didn't? Did anybody think that all of this, whether
you're uh, you know, Asian, Hispanic, black, white playing on
the basketball court, if it is a insult that involves
(36:24):
the race, the punishment should be same across the board. Yeah,
No matter what side you want to try to argue,
I don't see how you can argue double standard. In
the end, if somebody would have called me a bitch
ass Mexican boy, I would have been more assaulted by
the bitch ass boy. Right. But also, but you understand
my argument that all four of those words, basically I
(36:46):
believe in the intent of Montrese Harold, were designed to
be insults, and all of them were basically designed to
to be synonyms for soft right. You're a bit, you're
an ass, you're white, and you're a boy. All of
it is like your soft right. It's to me, that
is one compartment of the whole insult. And if I
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heard bitch ass Mexican boy, or if I heard bitch
ass Chinese boy, or if I heard bitch ass Black boy,
I would hear all of those as one part of
a whole that is designed to denigrate you on every level,
including your race. Now we can get into a discussion
about why it's okay to go with you know, bitch
(37:30):
ass and and boy as insults, but not the race.
And that's the one that puts it over the top.
That's intriguing in and of itself, right, But I think
fine and or suspension should have happened in the NBA.
It didn't, and I think the response would be totally
different if Luca had done it. What does the OutKick
(37:51):
jury think? We will go to the OutKick jury and
allow them to decide this plus crazy story out of
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