August 4, 2021 • 39 mins
Jonas and Geoff dive into the huge fight at New York Giants’ training camp, which saw Daniel Jones at the bottom of the pile and the entire team running laps. They also talk Safety J.T. Ibe of the Panthers, who was cut after laying out his teammate Keith Kirkwood during practice. FOX Sports' Shannon Spake joins the show to talk about her upcoming NFL sideline schedule, most bizarre part of empty stadiums last season, NASCAR's final run to playoffs, and more. Plus, Geoff continues his Top O-Lineman List, featuring the Center position today.
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So do we have ourselves a galvanizing moment in the NFL?
We will get to that coming up here in just
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making us a part of your Wednesday morning, we appreciate
you doing so. We're gonna take you all the way
up until nine a m. Eastern time, six o'clock Pacific,
and we will do so with a man who is
dropping training camp gems about the course of the show,
none other than Jeff Schwartz. Good morning everyone, I am
glad to be here again this morning. We are one
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You guys can kiss our asses collectively and screw you
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if you're gonna judge us for gambling on a preseason
football game. Exactly. Bastards all right, Um, speaking of the preseason,
we've been talking about these training camp gems, just these
these moments in training camp stuff that you look back
on fondly and you get a kick out of. Um.
Apparently there was a moment at Giants training camp in which, uh,
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there was a skirmish involving the entire team at practice,
and um, Daniel Jones, the quarterback of the New York
Giants even got involved, and uh he ended up on
the bottom of the pile. Probably not a surprise to
many people. The quarterback wanted to get a mix it
up a little bit, and he ended up on the
bottom of the pile. You had some teammates after the
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fact who had some comments following it, but it was
Joe Judge who apparently was not happy about it. He
punished them by making them run, do push ups, all
sorts of stuff to be to show his outrage in
how the Giants behaved in practice. And here was his quarterback,
Daniel Jones, talking about the incident and his coach's reaction.
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The panle there that fight, What happened? What do you
want to go running like we're just just competing and uh,
everyone's excited first day of paths, get out there. We've
gotta do a better job, uh, you know, controlling that
and making sure we're uh controlling our enthusiasm and excitement
for you, I mean, down the pile of nineties drowning
men around you like that. You think, yeah, that was
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all good. Problem, Yeah, there's consequences for that kind of stuff,
and that's why it isn't a game. You know if
you if you lose your cool, there's consequences that hurts
the team. So that was a message, and I think
I want to understand that, all right. So there's a
couple of different ways we can take this conversation. Let's
just start with Joe Judges punishment for the team. Um,
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a little old school. I mean, you know, it's very
it's very high school, Harry to make the kids run
after make the professionals run after a fight, Like, just
tell him not to fight anymore, Like it's a first
day of training camp in pads, like this is a
day when everyone's fired up, and yeah, there's gonna be
some fight. Daniel Jones used to learn to stay out
of the fight. I mean, that's not running is not
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gonna help that. Just tell him, hey, don't do that.
But the idea, like they're adults. Man, If you can't
control your team by saying, hey, guys, let's not fight anymore,
then then what are you doing man? Making them run
for ten minutes and do push ups like high school
after a fight, Like get out of here with that? Look,
I I they have a very young team, so maybe
he can get away with it. Um, with a young team,
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but like that's ridiculous. I mean, but this has been
the thing with Joe Judge going back to last year
to where he had um there were people that were
making jokes about his behavior in training camp and he
was trying to be too much like Belichick and it
wasn't it. The offensive line wasn't Mark Colombo was the
offensive line coach. He had an altercation. I'm not mistaken. Yeah,
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I mean, basically he tried to to hire someone to
do his job in the middle of the season, and
in Columbo didn't take very kindly to that um and
it just it, it doesn't screen if someone who respects
his players, right, who just can you know these are
these are adults, right, we have kids, we have lives,
like we have we're we're supposed to be mature and
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not always the case of course, right, But if you
can't just set your team down and tell them, hey, guys,
we're not fighting anymore. We're you know, we're not doing
this anymore, and you make them run like I've been
at plenty of teams that had brawls at practice. Yes,
what you tell him not to do it, they don't
do it again. If they respect your coach, right, you
don't make them run afterwards because of that. So uh.
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And most coaches, by the way, kind of like the
fire of a fight, right, because it means that you're
kind of you know, it matters to you, right, You're
you're you're into practice, you're into being physical. We had
many coaches, whether it's Dan Campbell, Robert Sala yesterday, say hey,
you know we want to in pad you want to
get to the point where we do want to fight
each other, right because we we we were hitting that hard.
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Now the fight happened here because of a hit that
shouldn't have happened and people to defense that, which look,
I think coaches would even say, hey, I was glad
to see And there was Evan Ingram stand up for
his teammate again in the face of another teammate. Who
who cheap Sean. I'm like, we we like to see that.
And instead you kind of punishing them for for stand
up for their teammates and things that you actually want
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to see from your team, making them run and do
push ups like just like uh, and it's I guess
his players were like it. I mean, he keeps doing
things like this. I guess they like it. I don't know.
Teams I've been on, I don't know if we would
have enjoyed it. That would have been galvanizing for us. Yeah. Well,
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and that's that's what I wanted to to get to
on on this conversation because there's been you know, some discussions,
um you know that. Uh, you know, a couple of
the Giants players afterwards were asked about the situation, and
you know, they said, yeah, you know, we respect Andrew
Jones wanting to mix it up in there. Not not
not the greatest idea in the world, but we respect
him wanting to get in there and mix it up.
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And I also wonder this, how pissed is Joe Judge really,
you know, because this this may be one of those
moments to where, yeah, you know, it could have gone
horribly wrong. And if Daniel Jones gets tied up and
suffers a knee injury at the bottom of a pile
in a training camp fight, that's a terrible situation. But
but he comes out clean. I wonder if Joe Judge
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looks at this and kind of you know, fist bumps
some of the assistant coaches and says, hey, man, at
least we know these guys, give a rip to your point.
I Dane Jones should not be anywhere close to that,
Like that's that's that's his Like that's that's No amount
of running will fix that. Like that's Daniel Jones. He
needs to know better, that's what he should never be
near that pile. Uh, you're the quarterback. You don't need
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to be in a fight. That's not your job. No
one's gonna look at you sideways if you don't show
up in a fight, that's ridiculous. Do not get near
that pile. Do knock on near the fight. I'm just
that that that is that. There's no plus for that.
There's no team bonding for that, there's no team building.
No one's gonna look at Danil Jones since he's tougher
because he was in a fight, doesn't change his play.
Don't be near the fight. But you're basically you know,
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but again, the fight shows that you have teammates defending
each other. Right that the hit. You can barely see
the hit in a in a video the Giants pen
about training camp um and it's been shown a little
bit around, so you barely see to hit. It was
a hit that shouldn't happen during training camp. And by
the way, we saw us in Carolina yesterday were a
safety hit and wide receiver over the middle. Unfortunately Um
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had to go to hospital. He's fine with with fine,
I mean finding quotes right, he's a concussion and they
cut the player afterwards, right because they want to send
a message, Hey, don't start you know, don't don't do
that to your teammates. I should say, not about fighting.
There was no fight, but Matt World needed to make
the players run for that example, he cut the guy, right,
that was the example. Don't do this again. Now the
giant situation, I think it was an older player who
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you're not cutting, but you're you're you're you're not sending
the right message when you actually sort of want that
physicality from your team and you want them to defend
each other by making them run. Like, So what happens
now if this situation happens today, does in Ingram not
go defend his teammates? Does he do it mildly? I
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just I think that again punishing them that severely and
just not saying, hey, guys, don't do that again. Let's
not fight again. I mean, if if your players respect
you and you sent them down a team meeting or
during practice to hey, guys, we're not fighting anymore. We're
not doing this, and they don't respect you enough to
do that. Then you lost your team already, which is
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not good. See so, and you mentioned the situation with
the Panthers, and now I wanted to actually, uh see
if you had any sort of intel on that, because
it was jt eBay who was the rookie cornerback and
he was the guy who who you know, had the
big hit and then he ended up getting cut because
they felt like the hit was unnecessary, it was unacceptable.
Um Kirkwood was the receiver who suffered the injury and
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was carded off and was taken you know, and I
think dealing with the concussion, as you pointed out Keith Kirkwood,
I mean, I don't recall ever seeing a play or
deliver a monster hit in training camp and then get
cut for it. That's a new one for me. It's new.
But this is the new football we're in, right I
mean ten years ago you get a high five, right
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like that's that's a different game right now, especially if
you're trying to make the roster like I would think
they were looking for guys that are trying to get aggressive. Well,
but here's here's the thing is we've moved to an
era where you know, practice efficiency is so important, right
because you have less practice time now, and if we're
hurting our players in practice, you're not helping your team
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get better, right. And I think that's the issue, is that, yes,
we want physicality, but that play also gets you flag
down the NFL. Right, So now you've hurt your team
in a game. If if, if you're doing this on
Sundays and and you want to you want to teach
your team how to be physical without causing harm to
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your teammates. And I look, did you watch the clip
that was following a round of the play? No, I
have not seen the actually play. It's it's not that vibe.
I I thought it would be much more violent. It's
a Kirkwood's over the middle of the field. Him and
another defensive back are kind of fighting for the ball
and eBay comes in and hits him. I don't think
he even makes contact with Maybe he got his head,
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maybe he didn't. But it was a play that was
unnecessary and training camp and when you have a player
who's expendable. If this was Jeremy Chinn, they're starting safety.
Nothing happens, right, not getting cut, He gets a stern
talking to. But I can make the argument that Jeremy
Chinn doesn't do this anyways, right, because he's a veteran.
He knows how to practice. So this is a message
sent to his team about, hey, we're gonna practice hard,
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but we're not going to hurt our teammates in the process.
And again, ten years ago he gets a high five,
probably from from his defensive back coach. But we're at
a different point of the NFL now where that's not acceptable. Yeah,
it's just it's it's weird to see how they and
and I'm actually I'm I'm looking at the hit right now. Man.
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Really it's not it's not it's not again, it's more
about the power practicing and practice habits, like he should
have done that. There's no reason to do that in practice.
If that's a preseason game to get cut, No, but
it's at yar penalty for a guy who's trying to
make the team knowledge. I know, But I just I
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wonder if this is in a preseason game and not
you know, a friendly fire, so to speak, when he's
hitting his own teammate in practice. I wonder if he's
if he gets if it's viewed as you know, dangerous
and reckless, especially this hit when you take a look
at it now, uh and and just see sort of
the extent of it like this, this doesn't feel like
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a Vontes Burfett going out of your way to try
and lay the boom on somebody and do damage. This
just feels like a guy who was trying to make
a play. Borderline, but not the most egregious hit I've
ever seen. It's not it's not again, I think that
he's mass transend the message, um, you know, and also
to think, you know, the the unfortunate, um you know,
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injury that occurred, right, you have to bring the backboard out,
you can put them on a stretcher. That whole ordeal
maybe optics, the optics. If Kirkwood just gets back up,
he's not getting cut. If Kirkwood even just has a concussion,
but he's able to not go the ambulance, probably not
getting released. But all put together, a player who why
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wasn't making the roster very clearly wasn't making the roster
in my opinion, Now this has been released. The example
was shown that we're weren't gonna practice like this. Yeah,
it's uh And and by the way, just in looking
at these Carolina Panthers practice videos from training camp, I
don't even need to hear sound. I don't need to
see a weather report. It just looks humid. So it
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looks like that's Spartan Bok South Carolina. I've spent four
training camps there. Um, it is extremely hot. And in
part of the the problem there is that you're practicing
in a bowl. You have to walk down into a
bowl at wallfers practice fields, and so the heat just
sits there. Like you know, they you know, they rank
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like the hottest training camps like weather dot com every
year does they used to because we used to go
away to training cable the time, right everyone did, and
you know, Spartan band was like the fourth hottest. It is, dude.
I have vivid memories before practice and stretch lines, just
like laying on the ground during stretch and just looking
at the sun like why am I doing this? Like
what why are we doing this? And then you and
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the thing about it is that when the when the
horn blows, start practice, you don't think about the heat
anymore because you don't have time to think about the
heat you're practicing. Um, we would get on really hot days,
we get five minute, whole five minutes in the tent
in the middle of practice to cool down. But you
just you didn't think about a Jonas. It wasn't once
you once you started practice. Man, that's just what That's
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just what it was. It's just hot with it because
you don't have a choice. Look, I lived in South
Carolina for a short time when I was doing radio,
and um, I just remember there was a worring rainstorm,
uh like bad winds. Um. I mean it was like
it was really bad, like a really really bad rainstorm,
and I had every door in the house open because
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it was so hot it and you just you don't
even like it's it's it's pouring rain and you're sweating
because it's still like seventy eighty degrees and pouring rain,
and and the humidity that follows it, you know, before
and after, it's just it's miserable. So just seeing that
this footage from South Carolina at Panthers training camp just
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reminds me of living in Charleston and living in South
Carolina and just how humid the place was. Just a
sweat box man. Yeah, it's rough, it is. Uh, I'll
kicked the coverage here Fox Sports Radio. He's you have
short time, Jonas Knox here on fs ARE. Coming up next,
one of our favorites going to be on the road
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in the NFL this season, and an interesting matchup already
on the docket for one. We'll get to that next year.
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it a little over ten minutes from now. There's a
a rumor going around a potential quarterback trade. We will
get into all the details of that coming up here
again ten minutes from now on Fox Sports Radio. Right now,
though always kind enough to join us here on fs ARE.
She is Shannon Spake Fox Sports. You see her, whether
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it's NASCAR, whether it's the NFL. Uh, no stone unturned.
She's also a hell of an athlete. She makes us
all feel lazy every single time she pops on Shannon,
It's Jonas and Jeff Schwartz. What's happening. Hey, good morning.
How's it going, Dive. Well, we're just happy that you know,
a TV star like yourself is okay slumming it with
us on the radio here. I mean that that makes
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us feel okay. I did run into Mr Quinn at
the we had our NFL College Football seminar for Fox Sports,
and I saw him briefly. I saw the superstar briefly. Um,
it's just sort of walking through the hotel lobby. So
it's good to see him this weekend. Yeah, he's always
got a line of people that want an autograph or
a picture, and yeah, so there's always that now, shand
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I do want to ask you because obviously, with the
NFL fast approaching, um, you ever surprised at how quick
it actually gets here? Because Jeff and I have been
talking about it all week. Once you flip the calendar
to August, it's over. I mean it is football season
all the way to until February. So even at this point,
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with all you've done in your career, does it ever
surprise you? Like, my god, football is right around the corner.
I guess right, because the summer goes by so quickly,
and you're like, I can't wait till the summer's over
because that's win football is gonna start. And then all
of a sudden, it's like mid August and you're getting
ready for you know, obviously the Hall of Table game,
and then either getting ready for preseason and we're doing
our and you're starting to pup for games and training camp.
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It does happen very rapidly because it goes from pretty
much nothing to everything so quickly. I'm really excited. So
I know that, um I had told Danny g at
my first game it's in New York. So I've got
the giants, who um as you guys have covered beautifully
this morning. They have their they have some situations going
on there right now, which is always great when you
have a built in storyline going into your first week.
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Plus it's obviously it's gonna be the day after September
eleventh out there, twenty year anniversary of September eleven, so
that will be a huge, huge, huge storyline following h
during that game. And then I actually have like forty
Niners Week two and week four, saw be interested to
see how that hold Jimmy g thing uh starts to
play out and I've got um New England. I guess
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to a game in Foxborough, which I've never done before,
and again they've got their own quarterback situations. I just
think it's gonna be so intriguing the first four or
five six weeks of this season to see how um
guys stay healthy, skuys stay on uh the field we
did last year, we actually did the forty Niners Jets
where like everybody went down in that game. It was
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the most bizarre game I've ever covered. And so you
just know everything you know, I mean, anything can happen
from week to week. What are you most looking forward
to with everything kind of back to normal? Was that
the fans beaning back on the stands is it's kind
of normal. Media access and coverage is kind of all
the above, because I think we're gonna have like a
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renaissance year for fandom, especially in college football. But I
think we're gonna get packed houses in the NFL every week.
So last year was obviously so bizarre, and I would
go from today, I don't know, Minnesota where there was
nobody there, or Detroit or wherever where there was nobody.
And then I remember, I think it was a week
four or five, I did a Steelers game and there
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were four thousand people in in the stands and it
felt like the place was packed like And it was
at that moment that I really realized the impact that
the fans truly have. Because it was four thousand people.
It wasn't like it was a packed house, but just
the energy from those people, you could feel it. After
not having it for a couple of weeks, I'm absolutely
looking forward to that. There's no question. My favorite time, Jeff,
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is like the eleven to twelve o'clock hour when those
guys come out and they're just warm ups and they're
walking around and they're, you know, going through their processes.
They're not out there in their team uniform, running drills
or anything, but they're gonna kind of hang and I
can walk up to them. That's when I build my
relationships with the players. That's when I get to talk
to them one on one, catch up with them if
I hadn't seen them in a while. And that was
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the part of game day that I missed the most
last year. Shannon Spake of Fox Sports joining us here
on OutKick the coverage Jonas knocks Jeff Shorts of the
here on fs are And it's funny you mentioned no
fans being at the games last year while you were
while you were working sidelines and working these events, because
I remember I talked to Jenny Taft about it last
year and she was doing a bunch of college games
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for Fox obviously with you know, the game of the week,
and I remember her telling me that it was just
bizarre because look, when we watch football, one of the
things that jumped out to me pretty early on was
if you didn't have a certain camera angle, you could
watch the game without having fans and attendance. And you
were okay with it. I mean, we all got through it.
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It was cool, like, you know, not ideal, but there
wasn't that much of a difference. But just being there
in some of these giant stadiums with nobody in the
in the crowd, that must have been just a weird feeling.
Based on what you've been used to covering and calling
for for Fox and also other places in all your
time in your career. Yeah, and you really felt it
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more at some places than other places. For example, I
just mentioned the VI teams, right, they still did the
entire school chance. They still played their warm up videos
there their runout video, and so they would do the
whole thing and then the players would run out and
you would you would watch like Dalvin Cook, and you
would watch those guys have to manufacture their own energy.
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And and they talked about it several times because they
were obviously one of the teams who did not have
fans throughout, and they would talk about like, I never
realized how much you really feel it at that moment.
And to me, that was that was the most bizarre
situation to watch that whole build up and I've been
there when it's packed, and you know what that moment
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is like, it's one of the best runouts in all
of that the NFL. I mean, it's just incredible. And
to see it with no fans, it was one of
those really jarring, jarring pregame moments for me. I'm talking
about the four Niners who you mentioned. You have a
couple of times to start the season. Uh, Cale Shannon,
It's in a couple of days ago, Jimmy U Trey
Lance is getting no no reps with the first team,
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and then yesterday he has reps with the first team.
How quickly do you think Trey Lance gets to start
in San Francisco. I think it all depends on if
Jimmy can stay healthy, right, I mean, I think if
if he can stay on that field, which he hasn't really,
he hasn't been able to do that. And what did
they say? Just the best player is the available player.
You know you asked, you asked coaches what makes a
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great rookie. It's the fact that he's available, the fact
that he can play, the fact that we can get
him repped. So it'll that's I think that's the indicator.
I think of just knowing Kyle Shanahan and covering him.
He's always been such a straight shooter, you know. I
feel like he's never like he's not one of those
guys that you walk into production meeting and you're like,
DoD he really mean what he just said? Or is
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he gonna he tells you how it is? So I
do feel he'll be forthright if if that's a decision.
But I mean I think right now, you just don't know.
You just don't know what he's capable of, and you
don't know what Jimmy. You really don't know what jim
he's capable of either, because we haven't really seen him
available on the field. I think week by week four,
I think we'll definitely know where we're going. I have
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that game week four, and I kind of look at
that like that might be the game that we kind
of see Tray or or we know that it's going
to be Jimmy kind of moving forward. Shannon Spake of
Fox Sports joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. Jonas
knocks Jeff Short to be here on I'll kick the coverage,
all right, So I gotta ask you before we let
you go. Um, NASCAR's back now. You guys have had
a couple of weeks off, but the playoffs are right
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around the corner. Who should we be keeping an eye on?
What do we need to know as we head into
the final stretch of of the NASCAR season in the
playoffs right around the corner. Well, it's it's really unique.
We've never had this two week break. And the reason
that NASCAR did this was because it's NBC's portion right
now and they wanted to build a two weeks break
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for the for the Olympics, so those guys could cover
that copperly and still cover NASCAR. So we've had two
weeks off for the teams, the drivers had taken their
little breaks. We've got four races to go, really unique racetracks.
We've got the road course at Watkins Glenn, We've got
the road course at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, which most
of these Cup drivers have never raced on. We've got
Michigan and then Daytona Daytona to close out the regular season.
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And remember, in racing, if you win, you're in the playoffs.
And right now, I mean we have so many different
drivers that have won this season that you just even
even if you've won and you're in the playoffs, there's
still a chance that you can get knocked out. If
we have of some some new winners and some surprise
winners moving forward, it's going to be a really exciting
last four weeks of the season. Kyle Larson is on fire.
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He is um he has winning everything. The Hendrick Motorsports
stable has really been. It's been a rebirth of the
of that team this season and they're certainly going to
be the ones to watch. But it's always it's always
got the Kyle Bushes and the Denny Hamlin's that can
that can come on strong towards the end of the
season as well, but Joe gets racing, So it's it's been.
It started as an incredible year at the Daytona five
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hundred with a surprise winner and and all these first
time winners, and it is, I mean, it is not
slowed down. And in these last four races before we
start the playoffs are going to be so intriguing and
so exciting to watch. She's one of our favorite. Shannon
Spake get her on Twitter at Shannon Spake, and I
would encourage you to do so because there are pictures,
uh with you and Mark Schlareth carrying Adam a mean
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like he's a party sub. You look like one of
those party subs, and you guys are just holding onto
him one one side or the other like you're posing
with a fish or something like that that you just caught.
So so good picks as you guys get ready for
the season, the NFL season, Shannon, Yeah, I'm excited. I
worked a spring game with Adam back in like two
thousand fifteen at the SEC Network. It was a Florida
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spring game and we've kept in touch and been friends
ever since, So I'm really excited. To be on his crew,
and of course there's no one more unique and incredibly
hilarious as Mark Hilaris. I worked with him and Dick
Stockton week season one, like the first year that I
did NFL, and Stink is a unique human being who
just makes he makes everything just a little funnier and
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a little more humorous. So I'm excited about the year
and now He's awesome, and we are always awesome when
you pop on with us here, so we appreciate it,
and we'll do it again soon, all right, take care.
Coming up twelve minutes from now, we will have our
next installment of Jeff Schwartz's perfect offensive line in the NFL.
He has gone position by position. He had left tackle
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to take care of on Monday. He took care of
left guard yesterday, and I'm assuming we're going to go
center coming up today? Is that correct? We are going.
I just hope that the center Jinx is not I
you know, I mean, come on, here's but I'll save
it right there, Like if somebody wanted to be critical
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of of what you've done so far when it comes
to this list, there's a couple opportunities to do so,
but I'll save it. And again I'm not I'm not
the one trying to be critical. I'm just trying to
make sure that we have all our bases covered. If
there is any pushback on this list when it comes out,
when it comes out to social media, you know you're
gonna have some people that are going to complain. Obviously,
I think, well, we can address that here. I don't care. Yeah,
(27:43):
but it's fun though, and it fun to piss people
off on Twitter. It's fun. Yesterday about how the Browns
are never winning with Baker Mayfield, I'm totally fine with
it was posted all over Twitter. I'm fine with that
idea of Yeah. No, I know. Listen, you are a
healing national wrestling It's a good thing to be. Um.
There's a rumor out there. Uh, this rumor thrown out
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there by Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk, which means
it's probably not true, but it is worth mentioning. Yeah,
it is. It is worth mentioning. By the way, is
there anybody more bitter that they don't have sources in
Mike Florio? I mean, he loves taking shots at Schefter
and Ian Rappaport and some of these other guys. Is
anyone who covers football who hates football more than him.
(28:29):
It's quite impressive how much someone gets paid to cover
football who actually hates football. It really it's impressive, man, Like,
it really is impressive. Like I mean, just just just
miserable through and through when it comes to this. But
he did have a little notice. How could you not
you know, you could just go on Pro Football Talk
and just by the snarkiness of the headline and the
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bitterness of the headline, you know that Florio wrote the
article just based on the headline. It's is quite incredible
how many people dunk on him. Do you know one
time so so to to two stories about FLOORA. I
don't know him at all, never met him. It's just
probably best. But um, one time we got in disagreement
over something and his response was, oh, this is just
(29:12):
like typical jock behavior. You don't you don't trust anyone
or believe in anything anyone's I'm like and then listed
like my ten favorite people cover football who never played.
It's like, dude, what are you talking about? Like that's
not at all what I do. I actually love talking
to to, you know, to analytics folks who didn't play,
or love talking to Bill Barnwell, right, like guys that
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I've read or enjoyed their work for years. You didn't
play football, and Robert May's played a little bit of
a ball, but not a lot. Like I loved you before,
you just had a bad take. The other one was
a couple of years ago we do that old Line
Mastermind summit right in Dallas with this year was a
hundred sixty people. It was fantastic, butch offense alignment together,
sort of like the von Miller camp, right, that's how
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we started because of von Miller, and this our fourth
year of doing it. So they wrote our cool about
the event, and they got a bunch of details wrong,
like really bad. It was clear they just didn't care.
And I commented on Twitter like, hey guys, like if
you're gonna cover this, can you at least get the
things right, like the names of the people and what
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they did, what were the roles were? And he didn't
reply to me, but he sub tweeted me basically saying like,
how do we expect to get it right if we
weren't invited to the event. I was like a bunch
of other people got it right, Like what do you
mean that that's a terrible excuse. We purposely got a
story wrong that was already out by the way, like
you weren't the first to write about it. You're aggregate website,
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like just get it right and stuff like that, like
just just dude, alright's Floria. It's there. There's just there.
There's this it's an insecurity and in a lot of
sports media and and I've said that, I've told I've
told Brady Quinn this before, and I said, look, when
athletes do the whole you never play the game thing,
(30:57):
do you want to know why it bothers people on
the media because it's true and there's no coming back
from it, like it's it's it's true. And when you say, look,
you didn't play, so you don't understand that's legitimate, like
if you don't have any intimate knowledge of it. But
there's this insecurity thing to where people that didn't play
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want to be allowed inside the velvet ropes and they
want to pretend like they know what's going on, and
it just it's it's it's ridiculous. And I get that.
I mean, look, I am I like the analytics community
and football, and then there's a lot of good things
you can learn from the way people cover the game differently,
but there are some things about you know, playing the
game that you can't quantify, right. And I've talked to
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guys about that and they have a hard time and
most of them are honest about it, right, but some
are not. There was a thing yesterday that went around, um,
you know where Dan Campbell, the Wines coach, said like,
we want to play, you know, we want to strain,
right what that straining training camp? We don't want to fight,
but we want guys to feel like they're close to fighting.
We want to see that. And someone someone said, this
(32:04):
guy and a bunch of us are like, yeah, that's
exactly how training camp goes. Of course, you want your
team to strain and be physical and learn how to
hit in pads, and you, yes, you want them to
almost fight. And Dan Quinn is not an elegant quote.
He's a former player, right, He's not gonna he's not
he's not doesn't he's not going to study you know
on Oxford. He's not. He's not eloquent speaker. But everyone
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got what he was saying. And yet they you know,
they crossed a situation where clearly playing football would have
helped to understand what he was saying. Again, it doesn't
make the the the guys who who didn't play football
terrible covering the sport. What's your point, that's one example,
or yeah, playing would be helpful understanding what he's saying. Yeah,
it's but but again that that runs rampant and a
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lot of the NFL coverage now just to pay off
the teas here. According to Florio pro league source, the
Panthers quietly or keeping an eye on Deshaun Watson A right, So,
so they're that they're quietly keeping an eye on Deshaun
Watson to see how that transpires. Obviously they have Sam Donald,
but but they are monitoring the situations and Caroline has
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been one of the teams that's been rumored to be
interested in Deshaun Watson potentially. But again, until we know
what the hell is going to happen from a leak standpoint,
I don't know what what what sense there is in
trying to make a move for Deshaun Watson at this point.
So do you keep if you do that quietly, do
you keep one eye open or two eyes open? That's
a good point. Yeah, I would assume you can do
(33:31):
it with both eyes open, but just halfway so it
really is just one eye. So yeah, just it just
depends on on on how you want to you know,
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Jeff Schwartz, throughout the course of the week, you have
been releasing your perfect offensive line. We started with left
tackle on Monday. You did David back t R. You
give the nod to him. We also went to left
guard yesterday you gave it to Quinton Nelson, only to
find out a couple hours later the Quintin Nelson is
(35:22):
the same exact foot injury as Carson went So not
saying there's a Madden curse or a Schwartz curse when
it comes to Quentin Nelson, but I do think if
there was some pushback, people might look at you and say,
I mean, you're still going to have these guys and
give them the nod. Uh. Back TR's coming off in
a season ending injury. Quintin Nelson's now on the shelf.
He needs surgery. So that some people may find an
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opportunity here to be critical of of your offensive line
thus far, just saying I mean I gave the quinn
Nels to pick before he was hurt. I know, I'm
just saying I'm not quite sure what the criticism would
be after that. Um, yeah, I get that. But you
know the thing about these lists, right, name me, who's
who's who's on the list? Right? Who's off box jars
off who? And who becomes on the lists? Well, it's
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as you said on Monday, the one thing you're not
willing to argue about on social media is what Yes,
it's not gonna happen. Sorry everyone, especially scheme stuff like
we're not arguing about protections. I'm telling you how it is. Yeah.
So that being said, we have our live studio band.
They are here, masks on and everything. They have sanitized
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for extra safety, and they are ready to strike it up.
As we get into the third installment of Jeff Schwartz's
Perfect Offensive Line, and this time we turn it over
to the center position. So this one is the toughest
one because there are so many different options you can
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go here at different play styles so I'll kind of
give you a couple of guys that, um, you are
up and coming, that I think are close but not there.
Frank right now the lines, the line and spy the
way low key when I have a good offensive line
this year, Lions fans with Decker the rag now and
Pinay soy right tackle, Um rag now is right now?
(37:10):
Is getting there? Ryan Kelly of the Colts, He's getting
there right. These young guys getting you have to surpass
some of the veterans that are really good. Lindsley just
went from the Packers to the Chargers. Uh. He will
be a good addition to the Chargers offense a lot.
So there's a lot of great names there, and then
you get kind of at the top of my opinion,
Bryan Jensen of the of the Bucks. I love Ryan
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he is. He's just a beauty of a human. Um.
He had a great year last season. He was fabulous. Um.
He is not technically sound at all times, but he
is a muller and he pisses the people off, which
you love to see. He is like one see for me.
One b is Rodney Huts, Rodney Hudson. He's never gotten
to love he deserves. He was in Kansas City, went
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to Oakland, and now with your Cardinals. Anyone that watches
the film the Patons of offensive line who loves Rodney
huts he deserves to get credit for how good he
has been throughout his career. Like Jonas, Rodney's fabulous has
never gone love. He is a great offensive lineman. But
number one still for me, I'm gonna lead toward the
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veteran here. It is Jason Kelsey of the Eagles. Um,
he can just do really anything on the field, which
is super important. A little bit light, but he can
make every single block he can. He can make a
block where he's got use a little bit of power.
Obviously very good in space. Um, so it's a slight
This is so far the one that's been the toughest
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slight edge to Kelsey. But Hudson and Jensen are right there.
And now he's gonna be Jason Kelsey is gonna be
thirty four this season in November. How much how much
longer of top quality center play can we expect from
from Kelsey in his career until he decides to retire.
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I'm like, we've seen kind of no drop off, right,
and that's why you know. You know, Gentsen is a
little bit older too, and so is Rodney Hudson. They're
not as old as as as Kelsey. But this is
the This is the toughest one for me. They're all
kind of different players too, right, I mean, Jacks is
a bigger guy, not does not move in space as
well as Kelsey does. And Hudson, Um, you know, Hudson's
probably probably more closer to the moving skills of Kelsey
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than the gents. You know, I'm thinking about this. Him
and his brother are gonna be Hall of famers, aren't they.
It's gonna be tough for Jason Kelsey. Travis is is
like a first ballot guy. Just offensive line is gonna
be tougher to get it. But yes, most likely, Yes,
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and we will do so with a man who is
dropping training camp gems about the course of the show,
none other than Jeff Schwartz. Good morning everyone, I am
glad to be here again this morning. We are one
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You guys can kiss our asses collectively and screw you
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if you're gonna judge us for gambling on a preseason
football game. Exactly. Bastards all right, Um, speaking of the preseason,
we've been talking about these training camp gems, just these
these moments in training camp stuff that you look back
on fondly and you get a kick out of. Um.
Apparently there was a moment at Giants training camp in which, uh,
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there was a skirmish involving the entire team at practice,
and um, Daniel Jones, the quarterback of the New York
Giants even got involved, and uh he ended up on
the bottom of the pile. Probably not a surprise to
many people. The quarterback wanted to get a mix it
up a little bit, and he ended up on the
bottom of the pile. You had some teammates after the
(02:35):
fact who had some comments following it, but it was
Joe Judge who apparently was not happy about it. He
punished them by making them run, do push ups, all
sorts of stuff to be to show his outrage in
how the Giants behaved in practice. And here was his quarterback,
Daniel Jones, talking about the incident and his coach's reaction.
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The panle there that fight, What happened? What do you
want to go running like we're just just competing and uh,
everyone's excited first day of paths, get out there. We've
gotta do a better job, uh, you know, controlling that
and making sure we're uh controlling our enthusiasm and excitement
for you, I mean, down the pile of nineties drowning
men around you like that. You think, yeah, that was
(03:22):
all good. Problem, Yeah, there's consequences for that kind of stuff,
and that's why it isn't a game. You know if
you if you lose your cool, there's consequences that hurts
the team. So that was a message, and I think
I want to understand that, all right. So there's a
couple of different ways we can take this conversation. Let's
just start with Joe Judges punishment for the team. Um,
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a little old school. I mean, you know, it's very
it's very high school, Harry to make the kids run
after make the professionals run after a fight, Like, just
tell him not to fight anymore, Like it's a first
day of training camp in pads, like this is a
day when everyone's fired up, and yeah, there's gonna be
some fight. Daniel Jones used to learn to stay out
of the fight. I mean, that's not running is not
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gonna help that. Just tell him, hey, don't do that.
But the idea, like they're adults. Man, If you can't
control your team by saying, hey, guys, let's not fight anymore,
then then what are you doing man? Making them run
for ten minutes and do push ups like high school
after a fight, Like get out of here with that? Look,
I I they have a very young team, so maybe
he can get away with it. Um, with a young team,
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but like that's ridiculous. I mean, but this has been
the thing with Joe Judge going back to last year
to where he had um there were people that were
making jokes about his behavior in training camp and he
was trying to be too much like Belichick and it
wasn't it. The offensive line wasn't Mark Colombo was the
offensive line coach. He had an altercation. I'm not mistaken. Yeah,
(04:47):
I mean, basically he tried to to hire someone to
do his job in the middle of the season, and
in Columbo didn't take very kindly to that um and
it just it, it doesn't screen if someone who respects
his players, right, who just can you know these are
these are adults, right, we have kids, we have lives,
like we have we're we're supposed to be mature and
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not always the case of course, right, But if you
can't just set your team down and tell them, hey, guys,
we're not fighting anymore. We're you know, we're not doing
this anymore, and you make them run like I've been
at plenty of teams that had brawls at practice. Yes,
what you tell him not to do it, they don't
do it again. If they respect your coach, right, you
don't make them run afterwards because of that. So uh.
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And most coaches, by the way, kind of like the
fire of a fight, right, because it means that you're
kind of you know, it matters to you, right, You're
you're you're into practice, you're into being physical. We had
many coaches, whether it's Dan Campbell, Robert Sala yesterday, say hey,
you know we want to in pad you want to
get to the point where we do want to fight
each other, right because we we we were hitting that hard.
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Now the fight happened here because of a hit that
shouldn't have happened and people to defense that, which look,
I think coaches would even say, hey, I was glad
to see And there was Evan Ingram stand up for
his teammate again in the face of another teammate. Who
who cheap Sean. I'm like, we we like to see that.
And instead you kind of punishing them for for stand
up for their teammates and things that you actually want
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to see from your team, making them run and do
push ups like just like uh, and it's I guess
his players were like it. I mean, he keeps doing
things like this. I guess they like it. I don't know.
Teams I've been on, I don't know if we would
have enjoyed it. That would have been galvanizing for us. Yeah. Well,
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and that's that's what I wanted to to get to
on on this conversation because there's been you know, some discussions,
um you know that. Uh, you know, a couple of
the Giants players afterwards were asked about the situation, and
you know, they said, yeah, you know, we respect Andrew
Jones wanting to mix it up in there. Not not
not the greatest idea in the world, but we respect
him wanting to get in there and mix it up.
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And I also wonder this, how pissed is Joe Judge really,
you know, because this this may be one of those
moments to where, yeah, you know, it could have gone
horribly wrong. And if Daniel Jones gets tied up and
suffers a knee injury at the bottom of a pile
in a training camp fight, that's a terrible situation. But
but he comes out clean. I wonder if Joe Judge
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looks at this and kind of you know, fist bumps
some of the assistant coaches and says, hey, man, at
least we know these guys, give a rip to your point.
I Dane Jones should not be anywhere close to that,
Like that's that's that's his Like that's that's No amount
of running will fix that. Like that's Daniel Jones. He
needs to know better, that's what he should never be
near that pile. Uh, you're the quarterback. You don't need
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to be in a fight. That's not your job. No
one's gonna look at you sideways if you don't show
up in a fight, that's ridiculous. Do not get near
that pile. Do knock on near the fight. I'm just
that that that is that. There's no plus for that.
There's no team bonding for that, there's no team building.
No one's gonna look at Danil Jones since he's tougher
because he was in a fight, doesn't change his play.
Don't be near the fight. But you're basically you know,
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but again, the fight shows that you have teammates defending
each other. Right that the hit. You can barely see
the hit in a in a video the Giants pen
about training camp um and it's been shown a little
bit around, so you barely see to hit. It was
a hit that shouldn't happen during training camp. And by
the way, we saw us in Carolina yesterday were a
safety hit and wide receiver over the middle. Unfortunately Um
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had to go to hospital. He's fine with with fine,
I mean finding quotes right, he's a concussion and they
cut the player afterwards, right because they want to send
a message, Hey, don't start you know, don't don't do
that to your teammates. I should say, not about fighting.
There was no fight, but Matt World needed to make
the players run for that example, he cut the guy, right,
that was the example. Don't do this again. Now the
giant situation, I think it was an older player who
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you're not cutting, but you're you're you're you're not sending
the right message when you actually sort of want that
physicality from your team and you want them to defend
each other by making them run. Like, So what happens
now if this situation happens today, does in Ingram not
go defend his teammates? Does he do it mildly? I
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just I think that again punishing them that severely and
just not saying, hey, guys, don't do that again. Let's
not fight again. I mean, if if your players respect
you and you sent them down a team meeting or
during practice to hey, guys, we're not fighting anymore. We're
not doing this, and they don't respect you enough to
do that. Then you lost your team already, which is
(09:27):
not good. See so, and you mentioned the situation with
the Panthers, and now I wanted to actually, uh see
if you had any sort of intel on that, because
it was jt eBay who was the rookie cornerback and
he was the guy who who you know, had the
big hit and then he ended up getting cut because
they felt like the hit was unnecessary, it was unacceptable.
Um Kirkwood was the receiver who suffered the injury and
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was carded off and was taken you know, and I
think dealing with the concussion, as you pointed out Keith Kirkwood,
I mean, I don't recall ever seeing a play or
deliver a monster hit in training camp and then get
cut for it. That's a new one for me. It's new.
But this is the new football we're in, right I
mean ten years ago you get a high five, right
(10:10):
like that's that's a different game right now, especially if
you're trying to make the roster like I would think
they were looking for guys that are trying to get aggressive. Well,
but here's here's the thing is we've moved to an
era where you know, practice efficiency is so important, right
because you have less practice time now, and if we're
hurting our players in practice, you're not helping your team
(10:31):
get better, right. And I think that's the issue, is that, yes,
we want physicality, but that play also gets you flag
down the NFL. Right, So now you've hurt your team
in a game. If if, if you're doing this on
Sundays and and you want to you want to teach
your team how to be physical without causing harm to
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your teammates. And I look, did you watch the clip
that was following a round of the play? No, I
have not seen the actually play. It's it's not that vibe.
I I thought it would be much more violent. It's
a Kirkwood's over the middle of the field. Him and
another defensive back are kind of fighting for the ball
and eBay comes in and hits him. I don't think
he even makes contact with Maybe he got his head,
(11:15):
maybe he didn't. But it was a play that was
unnecessary and training camp and when you have a player
who's expendable. If this was Jeremy Chinn, they're starting safety.
Nothing happens, right, not getting cut, He gets a stern
talking to. But I can make the argument that Jeremy
Chinn doesn't do this anyways, right, because he's a veteran.
He knows how to practice. So this is a message
sent to his team about, hey, we're gonna practice hard,
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but we're not going to hurt our teammates in the process.
And again, ten years ago he gets a high five,
probably from from his defensive back coach. But we're at
a different point of the NFL now where that's not acceptable. Yeah,
it's just it's it's weird to see how they and
and I'm actually I'm I'm looking at the hit right now. Man.
(11:59):
Really it's not it's not it's not again, it's more
about the power practicing and practice habits, like he should
have done that. There's no reason to do that in practice.
If that's a preseason game to get cut, No, but
it's at yar penalty for a guy who's trying to
make the team knowledge. I know, But I just I
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wonder if this is in a preseason game and not
you know, a friendly fire, so to speak, when he's
hitting his own teammate in practice. I wonder if he's
if he gets if it's viewed as you know, dangerous
and reckless, especially this hit when you take a look
at it now, uh and and just see sort of
the extent of it like this, this doesn't feel like
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a Vontes Burfett going out of your way to try
and lay the boom on somebody and do damage. This
just feels like a guy who was trying to make
a play. Borderline, but not the most egregious hit I've
ever seen. It's not it's not again, I think that
he's mass transend the message, um, you know, and also
to think, you know, the the unfortunate, um you know,
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injury that occurred, right, you have to bring the backboard out,
you can put them on a stretcher. That whole ordeal
maybe optics, the optics. If Kirkwood just gets back up,
he's not getting cut. If Kirkwood even just has a concussion,
but he's able to not go the ambulance, probably not
getting released. But all put together, a player who why
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wasn't making the roster very clearly wasn't making the roster
in my opinion, Now this has been released. The example
was shown that we're weren't gonna practice like this. Yeah,
it's uh And and by the way, just in looking
at these Carolina Panthers practice videos from training camp, I
don't even need to hear sound. I don't need to
see a weather report. It just looks humid. So it
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looks like that's Spartan Bok South Carolina. I've spent four
training camps there. Um, it is extremely hot. And in
part of the the problem there is that you're practicing
in a bowl. You have to walk down into a
bowl at wallfers practice fields, and so the heat just
sits there. Like you know, they you know, they rank
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like the hottest training camps like weather dot com every
year does they used to because we used to go
away to training cable the time, right everyone did, and
you know, Spartan band was like the fourth hottest. It is, dude.
I have vivid memories before practice and stretch lines, just
like laying on the ground during stretch and just looking
at the sun like why am I doing this? Like
what why are we doing this? And then you and
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the thing about it is that when the when the
horn blows, start practice, you don't think about the heat
anymore because you don't have time to think about the
heat you're practicing. Um, we would get on really hot days,
we get five minute, whole five minutes in the tent
in the middle of practice to cool down. But you
just you didn't think about a Jonas. It wasn't once
you once you started practice. Man, that's just what That's
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just what it was. It's just hot with it because
you don't have a choice. Look, I lived in South
Carolina for a short time when I was doing radio,
and um, I just remember there was a worring rainstorm,
uh like bad winds. Um. I mean it was like
it was really bad, like a really really bad rainstorm,
and I had every door in the house open because
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it was so hot it and you just you don't
even like it's it's it's pouring rain and you're sweating
because it's still like seventy eighty degrees and pouring rain,
and and the humidity that follows it, you know, before
and after, it's just it's miserable. So just seeing that
this footage from South Carolina at Panthers training camp just
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reminds me of living in Charleston and living in South
Carolina and just how humid the place was. Just a
sweat box man. Yeah, it's rough, it is. Uh, I'll
kicked the coverage here Fox Sports Radio. He's you have
short time, Jonas Knox here on fs ARE. Coming up next,
one of our favorites going to be on the road
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in the NFL this season, and an interesting matchup already
on the docket for one. We'll get to that next year.
It's I'll kick the coverage Fox Sports Radio. This this
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(16:17):
it a little over ten minutes from now. There's a
a rumor going around a potential quarterback trade. We will
get into all the details of that coming up here
again ten minutes from now on Fox Sports Radio. Right now,
though always kind enough to join us here on fs ARE.
She is Shannon Spake Fox Sports. You see her, whether
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it's NASCAR, whether it's the NFL. Uh, no stone unturned.
She's also a hell of an athlete. She makes us
all feel lazy every single time she pops on Shannon,
It's Jonas and Jeff Schwartz. What's happening. Hey, good morning.
How's it going, Dive. Well, we're just happy that you know,
a TV star like yourself is okay slumming it with
us on the radio here. I mean that that makes
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us feel okay. I did run into Mr Quinn at
the we had our NFL College Football seminar for Fox Sports,
and I saw him briefly. I saw the superstar briefly. Um,
it's just sort of walking through the hotel lobby. So
it's good to see him this weekend. Yeah, he's always
got a line of people that want an autograph or
a picture, and yeah, so there's always that now, shand
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I do want to ask you because obviously, with the
NFL fast approaching, um, you ever surprised at how quick
it actually gets here? Because Jeff and I have been
talking about it all week. Once you flip the calendar
to August, it's over. I mean it is football season
all the way to until February. So even at this point,
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with all you've done in your career, does it ever
surprise you? Like, my god, football is right around the corner.
I guess right, because the summer goes by so quickly,
and you're like, I can't wait till the summer's over
because that's win football is gonna start. And then all
of a sudden, it's like mid August and you're getting
ready for you know, obviously the Hall of Table game,
and then either getting ready for preseason and we're doing
our and you're starting to pup for games and training camp.
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It does happen very rapidly because it goes from pretty
much nothing to everything so quickly. I'm really excited. So
I know that, um I had told Danny g at
my first game it's in New York. So I've got
the giants, who um as you guys have covered beautifully
this morning. They have their they have some situations going
on there right now, which is always great when you
have a built in storyline going into your first week.
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Plus it's obviously it's gonna be the day after September
eleventh out there, twenty year anniversary of September eleven, so
that will be a huge, huge, huge storyline following h
during that game. And then I actually have like forty
Niners Week two and week four, saw be interested to
see how that hold Jimmy g thing uh starts to
play out and I've got um New England. I guess
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to a game in Foxborough, which I've never done before,
and again they've got their own quarterback situations. I just
think it's gonna be so intriguing the first four or
five six weeks of this season to see how um
guys stay healthy, skuys stay on uh the field we
did last year, we actually did the forty Niners Jets
where like everybody went down in that game. It was
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the most bizarre game I've ever covered. And so you
just know everything you know, I mean, anything can happen
from week to week. What are you most looking forward
to with everything kind of back to normal? Was that
the fans beaning back on the stands is it's kind
of normal. Media access and coverage is kind of all
the above, because I think we're gonna have like a
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renaissance year for fandom, especially in college football. But I
think we're gonna get packed houses in the NFL every week.
So last year was obviously so bizarre, and I would
go from today, I don't know, Minnesota where there was
nobody there, or Detroit or wherever where there was nobody.
And then I remember, I think it was a week
four or five, I did a Steelers game and there
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were four thousand people in in the stands and it
felt like the place was packed like And it was
at that moment that I really realized the impact that
the fans truly have. Because it was four thousand people.
It wasn't like it was a packed house, but just
the energy from those people, you could feel it. After
not having it for a couple of weeks, I'm absolutely
looking forward to that. There's no question. My favorite time, Jeff,
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is like the eleven to twelve o'clock hour when those
guys come out and they're just warm ups and they're
walking around and they're, you know, going through their processes.
They're not out there in their team uniform, running drills
or anything, but they're gonna kind of hang and I
can walk up to them. That's when I build my
relationships with the players. That's when I get to talk
to them one on one, catch up with them if
I hadn't seen them in a while. And that was
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the part of game day that I missed the most
last year. Shannon Spake of Fox Sports joining us here
on OutKick the coverage Jonas knocks Jeff Shorts of the
here on fs are And it's funny you mentioned no
fans being at the games last year while you were
while you were working sidelines and working these events, because
I remember I talked to Jenny Taft about it last
year and she was doing a bunch of college games
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for Fox obviously with you know, the game of the week,
and I remember her telling me that it was just
bizarre because look, when we watch football, one of the
things that jumped out to me pretty early on was
if you didn't have a certain camera angle, you could
watch the game without having fans and attendance. And you
were okay with it. I mean, we all got through it.
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It was cool, like, you know, not ideal, but there
wasn't that much of a difference. But just being there
in some of these giant stadiums with nobody in the
in the crowd, that must have been just a weird feeling.
Based on what you've been used to covering and calling
for for Fox and also other places in all your
time in your career. Yeah, and you really felt it
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more at some places than other places. For example, I
just mentioned the VI teams, right, they still did the
entire school chance. They still played their warm up videos
there their runout video, and so they would do the
whole thing and then the players would run out and
you would you would watch like Dalvin Cook, and you
would watch those guys have to manufacture their own energy.
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And and they talked about it several times because they
were obviously one of the teams who did not have
fans throughout, and they would talk about like, I never
realized how much you really feel it at that moment.
And to me, that was that was the most bizarre
situation to watch that whole build up and I've been
there when it's packed, and you know what that moment
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is like, it's one of the best runouts in all
of that the NFL. I mean, it's just incredible. And
to see it with no fans, it was one of
those really jarring, jarring pregame moments for me. I'm talking
about the four Niners who you mentioned. You have a
couple of times to start the season. Uh, Cale Shannon,
It's in a couple of days ago, Jimmy U Trey
Lance is getting no no reps with the first team,
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and then yesterday he has reps with the first team.
How quickly do you think Trey Lance gets to start
in San Francisco. I think it all depends on if
Jimmy can stay healthy, right, I mean, I think if
if he can stay on that field, which he hasn't really,
he hasn't been able to do that. And what did
they say? Just the best player is the available player.
You know you asked, you asked coaches what makes a
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great rookie. It's the fact that he's available, the fact
that he can play, the fact that we can get
him repped. So it'll that's I think that's the indicator.
I think of just knowing Kyle Shanahan and covering him.
He's always been such a straight shooter, you know. I
feel like he's never like he's not one of those
guys that you walk into production meeting and you're like,
DoD he really mean what he just said? Or is
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he gonna he tells you how it is? So I
do feel he'll be forthright if if that's a decision.
But I mean I think right now, you just don't know.
You just don't know what he's capable of, and you
don't know what Jimmy. You really don't know what jim
he's capable of either, because we haven't really seen him
available on the field. I think week by week four,
I think we'll definitely know where we're going. I have
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that game week four, and I kind of look at
that like that might be the game that we kind
of see Tray or or we know that it's going
to be Jimmy kind of moving forward. Shannon Spake of
Fox Sports joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. Jonas
knocks Jeff Short to be here on I'll kick the coverage,
all right, So I gotta ask you before we let
you go. Um, NASCAR's back now. You guys have had
a couple of weeks off, but the playoffs are right
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around the corner. Who should we be keeping an eye on?
What do we need to know as we head into
the final stretch of of the NASCAR season in the
playoffs right around the corner. Well, it's it's really unique.
We've never had this two week break. And the reason
that NASCAR did this was because it's NBC's portion right
now and they wanted to build a two weeks break
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for the for the Olympics, so those guys could cover
that copperly and still cover NASCAR. So we've had two
weeks off for the teams, the drivers had taken their
little breaks. We've got four races to go, really unique racetracks.
We've got the road course at Watkins Glenn, We've got
the road course at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, which most
of these Cup drivers have never raced on. We've got
Michigan and then Daytona Daytona to close out the regular season.
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And remember, in racing, if you win, you're in the playoffs.
And right now, I mean we have so many different
drivers that have won this season that you just even
even if you've won and you're in the playoffs, there's
still a chance that you can get knocked out. If
we have of some some new winners and some surprise
winners moving forward, it's going to be a really exciting
last four weeks of the season. Kyle Larson is on fire.
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He is um he has winning everything. The Hendrick Motorsports
stable has really been. It's been a rebirth of the
of that team this season and they're certainly going to
be the ones to watch. But it's always it's always
got the Kyle Bushes and the Denny Hamlin's that can
that can come on strong towards the end of the
season as well, but Joe gets racing, So it's it's been.
It started as an incredible year at the Daytona five
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hundred with a surprise winner and and all these first
time winners, and it is, I mean, it is not
slowed down. And in these last four races before we
start the playoffs are going to be so intriguing and
so exciting to watch. She's one of our favorite. Shannon
Spake get her on Twitter at Shannon Spake, and I
would encourage you to do so because there are pictures,
uh with you and Mark Schlareth carrying Adam a mean
(25:54):
like he's a party sub. You look like one of
those party subs, and you guys are just holding onto
him one one side or the other like you're posing
with a fish or something like that that you just caught.
So so good picks as you guys get ready for
the season, the NFL season, Shannon, Yeah, I'm excited. I
worked a spring game with Adam back in like two
thousand fifteen at the SEC Network. It was a Florida
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spring game and we've kept in touch and been friends
ever since, So I'm really excited. To be on his crew,
and of course there's no one more unique and incredibly
hilarious as Mark Hilaris. I worked with him and Dick
Stockton week season one, like the first year that I
did NFL, and Stink is a unique human being who
just makes he makes everything just a little funnier and
(26:38):
a little more humorous. So I'm excited about the year
and now He's awesome, and we are always awesome when
you pop on with us here, so we appreciate it,
and we'll do it again soon, all right, take care.
Coming up twelve minutes from now, we will have our
next installment of Jeff Schwartz's perfect offensive line in the NFL.
He has gone position by position. He had left tackle
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to take care of on Monday. He took care of
left guard yesterday, and I'm assuming we're going to go
center coming up today? Is that correct? We are going.
I just hope that the center Jinx is not I
you know, I mean, come on, here's but I'll save
it right there, Like if somebody wanted to be critical
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of of what you've done so far when it comes
to this list, there's a couple opportunities to do so,
but I'll save it. And again I'm not I'm not
the one trying to be critical. I'm just trying to
make sure that we have all our bases covered. If
there is any pushback on this list when it comes out,
when it comes out to social media, you know you're
gonna have some people that are going to complain. Obviously,
I think, well, we can address that here. I don't care. Yeah,
(27:43):
but it's fun though, and it fun to piss people
off on Twitter. It's fun. Yesterday about how the Browns
are never winning with Baker Mayfield, I'm totally fine with
it was posted all over Twitter. I'm fine with that
idea of Yeah. No, I know. Listen, you are a
healing national wrestling It's a good thing to be. Um.
There's a rumor out there. Uh, this rumor thrown out
(28:05):
there by Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk, which means
it's probably not true, but it is worth mentioning. Yeah,
it is. It is worth mentioning. By the way, is
there anybody more bitter that they don't have sources in
Mike Florio? I mean, he loves taking shots at Schefter
and Ian Rappaport and some of these other guys. Is
anyone who covers football who hates football more than him.
(28:29):
It's quite impressive how much someone gets paid to cover
football who actually hates football. It really it's impressive, man, Like,
it really is impressive. Like I mean, just just just
miserable through and through when it comes to this. But
he did have a little notice. How could you not
you know, you could just go on Pro Football Talk
and just by the snarkiness of the headline and the
(28:50):
bitterness of the headline, you know that Florio wrote the
article just based on the headline. It's is quite incredible
how many people dunk on him. Do you know one
time so so to to two stories about FLOORA. I
don't know him at all, never met him. It's just
probably best. But um, one time we got in disagreement
over something and his response was, oh, this is just
(29:12):
like typical jock behavior. You don't you don't trust anyone
or believe in anything anyone's I'm like and then listed
like my ten favorite people cover football who never played.
It's like, dude, what are you talking about? Like that's
not at all what I do. I actually love talking
to to, you know, to analytics folks who didn't play,
or love talking to Bill Barnwell, right, like guys that
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I've read or enjoyed their work for years. You didn't
play football, and Robert May's played a little bit of
a ball, but not a lot. Like I loved you before,
you just had a bad take. The other one was
a couple of years ago we do that old Line
Mastermind summit right in Dallas with this year was a
hundred sixty people. It was fantastic, butch offense alignment together,
sort of like the von Miller camp, right, that's how
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we started because of von Miller, and this our fourth
year of doing it. So they wrote our cool about
the event, and they got a bunch of details wrong,
like really bad. It was clear they just didn't care.
And I commented on Twitter like, hey guys, like if
you're gonna cover this, can you at least get the
things right, like the names of the people and what
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they did, what were the roles were? And he didn't
reply to me, but he sub tweeted me basically saying like,
how do we expect to get it right if we
weren't invited to the event. I was like a bunch
of other people got it right, Like what do you
mean that that's a terrible excuse. We purposely got a
story wrong that was already out by the way, like
you weren't the first to write about it. You're aggregate website,
(30:35):
like just get it right and stuff like that, like
just just dude, alright's Floria. It's there. There's just there.
There's this it's an insecurity and in a lot of
sports media and and I've said that, I've told I've
told Brady Quinn this before, and I said, look, when
athletes do the whole you never play the game thing,
(30:57):
do you want to know why it bothers people on
the media because it's true and there's no coming back
from it, like it's it's it's true. And when you say, look,
you didn't play, so you don't understand that's legitimate, like
if you don't have any intimate knowledge of it. But
there's this insecurity thing to where people that didn't play
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want to be allowed inside the velvet ropes and they
want to pretend like they know what's going on, and
it just it's it's it's ridiculous. And I get that.
I mean, look, I am I like the analytics community
and football, and then there's a lot of good things
you can learn from the way people cover the game differently,
but there are some things about you know, playing the
game that you can't quantify, right. And I've talked to
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guys about that and they have a hard time and
most of them are honest about it, right, but some
are not. There was a thing yesterday that went around, um,
you know where Dan Campbell, the Wines coach, said like,
we want to play, you know, we want to strain,
right what that straining training camp? We don't want to fight,
but we want guys to feel like they're close to fighting.
We want to see that. And someone someone said, this
(32:04):
guy and a bunch of us are like, yeah, that's
exactly how training camp goes. Of course, you want your
team to strain and be physical and learn how to
hit in pads, and you, yes, you want them to
almost fight. And Dan Quinn is not an elegant quote.
He's a former player, right, He's not gonna he's not
he's not doesn't he's not going to study you know
on Oxford. He's not. He's not eloquent speaker. But everyone
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got what he was saying. And yet they you know,
they crossed a situation where clearly playing football would have
helped to understand what he was saying. Again, it doesn't
make the the the guys who who didn't play football
terrible covering the sport. What's your point, that's one example,
or yeah, playing would be helpful understanding what he's saying. Yeah,
it's but but again that that runs rampant and a
(32:48):
lot of the NFL coverage now just to pay off
the teas here. According to Florio pro league source, the
Panthers quietly or keeping an eye on Deshaun Watson A right, So,
so they're that they're quietly keeping an eye on Deshaun
Watson to see how that transpires. Obviously they have Sam Donald,
but but they are monitoring the situations and Caroline has
(33:09):
been one of the teams that's been rumored to be
interested in Deshaun Watson potentially. But again, until we know
what the hell is going to happen from a leak standpoint,
I don't know what what what sense there is in
trying to make a move for Deshaun Watson at this point.
So do you keep if you do that quietly, do
you keep one eye open or two eyes open? That's
a good point. Yeah, I would assume you can do
(33:31):
it with both eyes open, but just halfway so it
really is just one eye. So yeah, just it just
depends on on on how you want to you know,
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I'm Jonas Knox. Coming up top the next hour, a
little over ten minutes from now. There is an opportunity.
There's a quarterback situation in the NFL, and there's an
opportunity to get rich off of it from you, not
the quarterbacks, you the listener. So we will have that
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for year. Coming up a little over ten minutes from now. Now,
Jeff Schwartz, throughout the course of the week, you have
been releasing your perfect offensive line. We started with left
tackle on Monday. You did David back t R. You
give the nod to him. We also went to left
guard yesterday you gave it to Quinton Nelson, only to
find out a couple hours later the Quintin Nelson is
(35:22):
the same exact foot injury as Carson went So not
saying there's a Madden curse or a Schwartz curse when
it comes to Quentin Nelson, but I do think if
there was some pushback, people might look at you and say,
I mean, you're still going to have these guys and
give them the nod. Uh. Back TR's coming off in
a season ending injury. Quintin Nelson's now on the shelf.
He needs surgery. So that some people may find an
(35:44):
opportunity here to be critical of of your offensive line
thus far, just saying I mean I gave the quinn
Nels to pick before he was hurt. I know, I'm
just saying I'm not quite sure what the criticism would
be after that. Um, yeah, I get that. But you
know the thing about these lists, right, name me, who's
who's who's on the list? Right? Who's off box jars
off who? And who becomes on the lists? Well, it's
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as you said on Monday, the one thing you're not
willing to argue about on social media is what Yes,
it's not gonna happen. Sorry everyone, especially scheme stuff like
we're not arguing about protections. I'm telling you how it is. Yeah.
So that being said, we have our live studio band.
They are here, masks on and everything. They have sanitized
(36:27):
their hands to play their instruments. They're wearing gloves just
for extra safety, and they are ready to strike it up.
As we get into the third installment of Jeff Schwartz's
Perfect Offensive Line, and this time we turn it over
to the center position. So this one is the toughest
one because there are so many different options you can
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go here at different play styles so I'll kind of
give you a couple of guys that, um, you are
up and coming, that I think are close but not there.
Frank right now the lines, the line and spy the
way low key when I have a good offensive line
this year, Lions fans with Decker the rag now and
Pinay soy right tackle, Um rag now is right now?
(37:10):
Is getting there? Ryan Kelly of the Colts, He's getting
there right. These young guys getting you have to surpass
some of the veterans that are really good. Lindsley just
went from the Packers to the Chargers. Uh. He will
be a good addition to the Chargers offense a lot.
So there's a lot of great names there, and then
you get kind of at the top of my opinion,
Bryan Jensen of the of the Bucks. I love Ryan
(37:32):
he is. He's just a beauty of a human. Um.
He had a great year last season. He was fabulous. Um.
He is not technically sound at all times, but he
is a muller and he pisses the people off, which
you love to see. He is like one see for me.
One b is Rodney Huts, Rodney Hudson. He's never gotten
to love he deserves. He was in Kansas City, went
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to Oakland, and now with your Cardinals. Anyone that watches
the film the Patons of offensive line who loves Rodney
huts he deserves to get credit for how good he
has been throughout his career. Like Jonas, Rodney's fabulous has
never gone love. He is a great offensive lineman. But
number one still for me, I'm gonna lead toward the
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veteran here. It is Jason Kelsey of the Eagles. Um,
he can just do really anything on the field, which
is super important. A little bit light, but he can
make every single block he can. He can make a
block where he's got use a little bit of power.
Obviously very good in space. Um, so it's a slight
This is so far the one that's been the toughest
(38:35):
slight edge to Kelsey. But Hudson and Jensen are right there.
And now he's gonna be Jason Kelsey is gonna be
thirty four this season in November. How much how much
longer of top quality center play can we expect from
from Kelsey in his career until he decides to retire.
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I'm like, we've seen kind of no drop off, right,
and that's why you know. You know, Gentsen is a
little bit older too, and so is Rodney Hudson. They're
not as old as as as Kelsey. But this is
the This is the toughest one for me. They're all
kind of different players too, right, I mean, Jacks is
a bigger guy, not does not move in space as
well as Kelsey does. And Hudson, Um, you know, Hudson's
probably probably more closer to the moving skills of Kelsey
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than the gents. You know, I'm thinking about this. Him
and his brother are gonna be Hall of famers, aren't they.
It's gonna be tough for Jason Kelsey. Travis is is
like a first ballot guy. Just offensive line is gonna
be tougher to get it. But yes, most likely, Yes,
that's crazy, it is. I'll kicked the coverage here Fox
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