08/10/2021 - The Best of Outkick The Coverage

Jonas Knox and Brady Quinn are hyped for the debut of this season's Hard Knocks on HBO and they get passionate about "clowns" who don't understand preseason stats. They break down some awesome audio from Bucs head coach Bruce Arians, who's very frustrated with the way his offense has looked in practice. The great Petros of AM 570 LA Sports joins the show to weigh-in on Bull in a Ring, his experience with discipline under Paul Hackett at USC, the start of college practices and more. Plus, Danny G. delivers The Scraps, featuring Messi madness and Kiwi slicing. 

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(00:26):
Ten minutes from now here on Fox Sports Radio, we
have got ourselves an update on a story that we
discussed yesterday morning. We have a little bit of a development,
a new wrinkle added to the story. Somebody has commented
on the story and we will get to that here
coming up in about ten minutes from now on Fox
Sports Radio. So, Brady Quinn, I absolutely love training camps

(00:51):
in the NFL because I will sit and watch all
the training camp coverage like I can't get enough. I
swear a christ, I absolutely love it. I love it
every single year. Uh. They just bounce around from camp
to camp. They have different reports that I just I
think it's fascinating. Uh. It just it lets me know

(01:13):
football is right around the corner. It's why I love
the show Last Chance You all that. I just love
the idea of preparing for a season and all of
that stuff. It just it just makes me happy. For
whatever reason, it just makes me happy. One of the
things I can't stand though, and we've talked about this
many times before, is the stat keeping that practices. I mean,

(01:36):
it's it's getting bad, man, and it's only getting worse,
and it continues to happen more and more, and I'm
tired of it. It's got to stop, and you need
to put an end to it. Well, I'll put an
end to it with with trying to explain why it's
the dumbest, laziest thing to do in the world. Okay,
So as a writer, usually you're reporting on what you see,

(01:57):
but the reality is you probably don't know what you're
looking at right Like some people, for example, like my
kids and I and my wife, we go to a
zoo and there's times when my kids like, Daddy, what's that.
I don't know, Let's go look and research what animal
this is? What species this is? So when I tell

(02:17):
you that one of my three daughters, whatever you're asking about,
we actually know what we're talking about. Here's the problem
with reporters and writers who go to training camp and
just tally tally stats. They have no idea what the
objective is on any given play. They have no idea.
They don't know if the wide receiver ran a wrong route. Now,

(02:39):
can they tell if a ball hit him right in
between the numbers and the drops? It? Sure, But can
they tell you if the quarterback went through a proper progression?
Like you get guys sometimes writing about how, oh, but
he missed a guy who was wide open, Hey clown,
Maybe that guy was never actually in the progression. Maybe
the quarterbacks never gonna look there anyway. Maybe he's being

(03:01):
trained not to even look at that portion of the field.
So there's so many things that go into it, you know,
For example, a sack on a quarterback, Oh, it looked
like the running back was supposed to have him in protection.
Are you sure about that? Do you know if maybe
one of the offensive lineman had messed up one of
their calls, or maybe they slid and they missed a

(03:22):
guy who was looping around that should have been There's
there's there's so many things that you know, even coaches
or players in real time aren't able to always diagnose.
That's why they tell you after a game, I need
to go back and watch the film. But yet a
reporter a writer, someone who is maybe at best an amateur,

(03:43):
a beginner and understanding the game to a degree, is
going to tell you in real time what those stats
were and why it matters. So it is the dumbest thing.
They do it all the time. You've got a mixture
of players, by the way, like just to go even deeper,
you have a mixture of players who some times are
young and old, and maybe you're mixing in some vets,
or maybe you mix it in some rookies, and they're

(04:04):
playing different positions because they want them to be multiple.
You know, you'd like to be able to have a
wide receiver that could play the slot, they can play outside,
they can play inside, that they can play all, you know,
any position on the field, in any concept in the
event of an injury. But also to determine, like how
can we get our best guys out there? The offensive
line does the same thing. They mix it up all

(04:26):
the time in training camp. Why because you usually have
about seven, maybe eight guys on your active game day roster,
which means you got five starters and you got two
or three or reserves. Okay, well, what happens if one
of those guys goes down one of those other tackles
has to come in, and you might say, well, if
the tackles coming in, you know, he's gonna this backup

(04:47):
guy gives us our best chance if he plays tack
and we move one of our tackles to guard, you know,
like like that's sometimes how that works. And so you
gotta shuffle some guys around. And so even to that point,
you don't know who they're seeking matching and what the
what the reasoning is behind that and why they're doing
what they're doing. So the whole thing of the stat
keeping and training camp, like I get it, you've got

(05:09):
a job to do, but you can't figure out a
cool interest story or you can't report on a quote
or something else because because maybe you're just not that
good at your job. But for the love of God,
stop doing the stats. Stop doing stats when you have
no idea what's actually going on behind closed doors in
those meeting rooms and what's actually happening on the field.
Can we get around of applause police for Brady Quinn

(05:30):
who just cut a w W E type promo, a
heel promo, just laying waste to NFL media members reporting
on stats. You feel better though, like doesn't feel good though,
just to cut loose like that done it feel good.
The reality is this, You know players, you'll see their
emotions sometimes when they get frustrated with reporting or they

(05:53):
get frustrated with reporters. It's for this reason. It's because
you've got people who are talking about stuff that they
don't know what they're talking about. You know. For example,
for example, Zach Wilson, who they had what you know,
a little family knight, fan knight whatever. He met life,
green and white, um and looked it wasn't as good

(06:13):
of a performance as they're hoping. Now. I will say this,
I've said with Zach Wilson, by would be aware the
whole time, like, oh great, he struggled versus the number
one defense. You mean it looked drastically different than the
group of five schedule that b y you played his
final year where he all of a sudden burst on
the scene, played against you know, lesser opponents that he
played against his entire How dare you? How dare you?

(06:35):
I just checked his resume. He played Coastal Carolina brok
So how dare you? Hey? I was riding the wave
last year, so I'm a big fan of Coastal Carolina.
But yeah, the one tough team he played, he he
struggled with. But I digress that that's not the point
of what's going to be this season. It's what's here
and now where do you want him to make mistakes?
By the way, Like, wouldn't you rather him have these

(06:57):
tough practices now so he's ready for Week one and
these throwing out all the mistakes before he gets there?
Like That's the other thing is the reporting has become
so much about stat driven and so much of a
measuring bar that guys didn't get the practice and they
don't try to practice the way they're going to eventually
play and learn some of those mistakes and practice, which

(07:18):
again is bad for the team and bad for I
guess the perception of what you're trying to accomplish every
day in training camp. So again it's lazy on the
side of reporters, But they're gonna keep doing it because
a lot of them live in their parents basements and
they don't ever want to move out. All right, Well,
I mean, listen to somebody who lived in his parents
house for a long time. I can tell you you know,

(07:39):
basements aren't all that bad, you know. I mean, it's
a it can be cozy in there, and I don't
have a basement because we don't have those out here
in California. Uh but but you know it's it's not
the worst thing in the world. Now. The reason we
bring this up is because Wilson's night at Green and
White Night for the for the New York Just by
the way, you were remember the Jets for a short time.
Were you a part of Green and White Night? Is
that I got I got there after training camp there? Yeah?

(08:01):
All right, well you like you missed that from a
team that went on to the Super Bowl that year
in training camp to a team that didn't. Well, yeah,
you took the opposite route of Jamal Adams. You went
from Seattle to the Jets as opposed to vice versa.
But Zach Wilson was eleven of twenty four for a
hundred twelve yards. He threw two interceptions, and he scored

(08:22):
three points in seven and seven possessions. Two things. Number one,
he just got there, okay, so like he literally just
got there. And number two, to your point, this is
when this is supposed to take place, Like like this
is where you work this stuff out. Like it's I've
never understood in any walk of life, in any job anywhere.

(08:45):
I've never understood the idea that we're going to judge
somebody as they get ready for work, as opposed to
when they actually show up to work. Like anybody driving
to work right now, you imagine, like you, you're scratching
your ass in the car right there, and boss calls
you up and said, hey, man, what the hell are
you doing. Have some class, dude, I'm not even on
the clock yet. I could scratch my ass if I

(09:06):
want to scratch my ass, I'll pick my nose, I'll
stop for fast food. I'm not even on the clock.
It that's, in essence, what's happening here. We're judging guys
based on what they're doing in practice, when they're supposed
to make mistakes, when they're supposed to be learning like this,
and yet we're keeping track of it. We're we're keeping stats.
Robert Salo's piste off about it, maybe not so much
with the reporters, but he's taken blame for it himself

(09:27):
because he felt like it wasn't the best performance. But nonetheless,
if you're bothered by bad performances with the Jets be
bothered for a long time coming because it feels like
there's gonna be another doozy. Okay, and a few things
that normally happen this time in training camp, right, the
training camp pretty much just begin in the past week
or so, right, yes, more or less? Yes? So, so
what happens at the beginning of training camp? Usually defenses

(09:49):
are ahead of offenses. Yes, Why is that? Well, defensive
scheme is simpler, there's less of it than offense. And
usually at this point in time, the defense has all
their installs in, they've wrapped them more than they have
the offense. They're gonna have the upper hand or the
advantage on the offense. Right now, which side of the
New York Jets when you say went through more change

(10:11):
this offseason, offense or defense, I don't know. I'd say
the offense, right, I mean looking at what's out around
the quarterback position, the quarterback position in general, the offensive line,
all those things. And so Robert Salo can can you know,
take blame for it. He's a defensive minded guy. You know.
He brought Mike McDaniels over with them because he's gonna

(10:34):
be the one that's gonna be coordinating, you know, the offense,
and he's a first time play caller, so you kind
of look, you look at all this stuff and how
it shapes out, and and the reality is it's going
to be a work in progress for this Jets team
this year. Excuse me, Micha la Flour. God, I don't
know why Josh McDaniel's name on my mind, but Mike
laflour is now there o C and he's it's it's

(10:55):
gonna be on his mind, you know the whole year
of how this offense is gonna grow on a debt,
but it's it's it's going to be different. It's going
to be an adjustment and they're gonna go through some
growing pains like that side went through so many dramatic changes.
You shouldn't expect them to be ahead of their defense
at this point. You shouldn't expect them to be playing
their best football offensively. Come week one, Week two, Week three.

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This team will be playing better offensive football if healthy,
in the second half of the year compared to the
first half with all the changes they've made. As young
as this group is. That's the bottom line for Jets fans.
I would not have high expectations for this team this year.
And also look and and this is people don't even
mention this when it comes to Zach Wilson. In this situation,

(11:39):
Greg Knap just died. He was he was said to
be their passing game quarterbah coordinator this season and working
closely with Zach Wilson. And he's had a ton of
success and respected by by virtually everybody's come in contact
with the NFL. And the guy just died right before
the season. And they expect Zack Wilson's gonna show up

(12:00):
and and and throw for nine completions and and you know,
slice and dice the defense. Like there's a lot going
on here. Man. The fact that you you have these
many expectations and on top of all that, you're dealing
with a tragedy like that. I don't know what the
hell people expect. I don't get it. It's so tragic,
it's so sad. I mean, we haven't we haven't touched
on it. But you know, Greg Nap a lot a

(12:20):
lot of people knew him as Napper. You know, he
was one of the first uh you know, NFL quarterback
coaches I met, you know, back when I was coming
out as as a rookie getting ready for the draft.
You know, Greg Nap at that time was with the Raiders.
It was the Oakland Raiders, and I remember walking into
the film room and uh, you know, they would get
you up on the board, they teach you some stuff,
They kind of test you on some of your stuff

(12:41):
that you ran in college. They tape you and then
you know, you went around the office about a bunch
of people, maybe go to lunch. They bring you back
and they they tape you again and see how much
you can retain in a short period of time. Kind
of similar to what you do when when you would
go out, you have an install and then you might
go through like a warm up. You go through like
a you know some some pre have stuff in the
training room and then you go out there a walk

(13:01):
through in practice. Kind of similar thing to see how
much you can retain from the meeting room out to
the field. But he was one of the first quarterback
coaches I met kind of going around and obviously kept
in touch with him kind of through the years. But
absolutely tragic and sad, and of course that's gonna play
a huge you know, Part two of just where Zack
Wilson is where this offense is where where you know

(13:23):
the coaching staff is from an emotional standpoint as well. Yeah,
it's just a just a crazy situation all the way through.
It is Brady Quinn Jonas snocks, I'll keep the coverage
here on Fox Sports Radio. I would like to mention
this though, Um, you use the word clown earlier to
describe members of the media keeping score and keeping track
of these statistics. I don't know where that ranks in

(13:47):
the best put down of the PG variety in the
world of sports talk radio, but I feel like clown
really is a solid insult that you can use and
any point in time, like it's really it's just a
beautiful execution by you to drop that this early in
the show here, just to lay waste to members of

(14:08):
the media keeping scoring, keeping stats camp it's good my
wife last night. And I've used this phrase before. I'm
sure it's when you're very familiar with but nim Rod.
I always think it's just it's just a funny sounding name.
But it's also offensive enough but not like too offensive
where you could throw that around, and I think it
drives the point home like it kind of it gets

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the point, whether it's social media, in person, whatever the
case may be, it's not going to start a fight,
but it's going to offend someone and drive home whatever
point you're trying to make. Nim Rod should be the
word of the day for all our listeners out there.
If you get into an altercation, please use the word
hashtag nim rod and go ahead and tag us on
social media. That'd be fantastic. Yeah, that that's a good

(14:50):
nim rod. Numb nuts is another one. Um, you know what,
what are some other go to when it comes out insults?
You can do? Got to be careful as we go
down the stretch on the home stretch here using some
of these phrases. Well yeah, I mean you don't want
to use all of them, but I do want to
point this out for our friends both Poso is a

(15:13):
great one. And by the way, for those of you
listening here on the I Heart Radio app in Mexico City,
we just want to give you the heads up that
clown is pioso in Spanish. Yeah, little poss Every once
in a while, like there's you know, and here's the thing.
Maybe some people out there are probably thinking of themselves like, well,

(15:34):
who doesn't know that clown is pioso in Spanish. Well, listen,
there's probably people driving around the country right now that
are going to or from work or passing through in
the Midwest, and they probably had no idea that pioso
means clown in Spanish, and they probably had no idea.
And the fact that they can turn on Fox Sports
Radio and get the goods from a couple of guys

(15:56):
here just dropping heat here on a Tuesday morning, I
think it's fantastic. And the fact that they can drive
to work, get ready for their day, go through the
rest of their Tuesday knowing that they've just discovered what
that word means. I think everybody's a winner there. By
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Learn more discover dot com slash Yes, two thousand twenty
one Nielson Report limitations apply. I mean, that's the problems
you keep sneaking those things in there on me And
and I'm really going down that deep, that deep rabbit
hole of like I was gonna say like forget to
present a stone, which I mean, come to us. If
you want to become bilingual, come to us. Now. We

(16:40):
might only teach you award a day in Spanish English
the translation. But still, if you think about it, if
you listen to us long enough, you will eventually be
able to speak Spanish fluently. Eventually it might be like
ten years down the road, but who cares, we'll have
a fun time getting there. By the way, Roberto, you
have to admit, since we've been filling in here on
the show, our Spanish has gone up at least a

(17:00):
hundred and ten percent from the time we started. Come on, Roberto,
yeah right, see, but he's not calling me a directed
at Jonas. Come on, yeah, he's up by yes man
a meal that has that RACI. But because what are

(17:24):
you talking about, fo Yeah, whenever, he just said, yeah,
that that too. Listen, we are Roberto. What did I
just say? Can you translate that me? Your hearts on fire?
You say, that's right, that's right there he is. That's
very good. All right, he is Brady Quinn, I'm Jonas Knox.
This is uh Fox Sports Radio. It's out the coverage.

(17:44):
We are the We are the Narcos Mexico of sports
stock radio. It's just been determined here, uh that there's
a racist a little bit. It might be a little bit,
it's absolutely not. Man, Listen, like my fit my in
laws are Mexican, like a look a man, come on,
I bet by the way, I bet on Mexico against
the US and the soccer game a week ago. You

(18:07):
also bet on Basically, I think you've been on Russia
against the United States and they're giving plus money. What
do you mean they're giving plus to narrow? What do
you want me to do? You did win, You did win.
So yeah, that's a good point. And then that's what
you do not in the soccer game because they can't
play defense down the strategy. That's right, that's right. That
now the men's team is set to win a gold

(18:27):
medal or the FIFA World Cup or whatever. And and
more importantly, who cares? All right? Coming up next year
on Fox Sports Radio, we have an update on the
situation in New Orleans. We talked about the story yesterday
and we have got a the latest development. Somebody has responded.
We'll get to that next year on Outkicked the Coverage,
Fox Sports Radio this is outkicked. The coverage take you

(18:53):
all the way up to a nine am Eastern times
six o'clock Pacific right here on Fox Sports Radio, and
we do so with a man who has had takes
on the Buffalo Bills and Josh Allen's contract that have
been stolen by other shows across the country, the one
and only Brady Quinn. I mean, I'm just saying, I

(19:14):
didn't hear anyone else, you know, yesterday or Friday talk
about that contract value in relation to what the value
of the organization is. That. That's all I'm saying. That's
all I'm saying. Listen, I don't know what that feeling
is like. Because there's somebody who has bad takes, Nobody
wants any part of that. You know. Yeah, I'm not
going to co sign on that. You've got some good takes. Um,

(19:36):
they they they may you know, sometimes be few between,
but you know they're they're they're, they're out there. They
are Your conspiracy theories are actually more fun to entertain
than anything else. That and then your Spanish takes and
then your boxing scores. Um, those are the three things
I really look forward to. Yeah, Well, I mean, listen

(19:57):
for people that are just tuning in. I just want
them to understand that it's been a wild first hour
of the program, just to catch you up, and again,
check out the podcast at Fox Sports Radio dot com
afterwards because it will be more detailed and it'll all
make a little bit more sense. But we did spend
some time talking about why the hell Deshaun Watson still
in Houston, Texan. We uh ripped into people keeping stats

(20:19):
at training camp based on the Zach Wilson discussion. Now
people are concerned based on his first performance at the
Green and White Game, where twenty people showed up. By
the way, you want to know how how big, how
important football is to this country. Twenty thousand people showed
up to watch Jets practice. Yeah, how's that? How's that

(20:42):
football in this country. Here's the odd question that I've
continually gotten, and I'm not sure why people are thinking
this way, but I've had a number of people lately go,
do you think we're gonna have fans in the stands
this year? And my first response is, um, yeah, we
already have had fans in the stands. And you watch

(21:03):
the NBA playoffs and you watch, you know, some of
the other professional sports leagues in in America. And then
the other comment would be, we didn't last year, but
we didn't have a vaccine last year. And after going
through what those many of the NFL owners went through
and looking at their balance sheets, Yeah, they're gonna do
everything they can to have you back in the stands
this year. Okay, Like they're gonna do all they can

(21:25):
to get back the revenue they missed out on. They're
not gonna do it for two years in a row.
And the reality is, as I've said all along, we're
gonna have to get used to living with what life
is like with COVID and and whether that's you know,
if you want to get vaccinated if not, doesn't matter.
If you want to go out to games and so forth,
you're gonna have to run the risk of potentially, you know,

(21:47):
getting sick. And that's that's what we've always dealt with.
It's just been called something else, has been the flu,
it's been whatever else it's been. And that's not me
trying to compare COVID to the flu. It's just the
reality of what our life is always been. We just
haven't recognized at the same way we have. And drawing
a comparison to COVID. Now it's COVID and that now
it's a different something else we're dealing with. But the

(22:09):
truth of the matter is, yeah, we're gonna have fans
in the stands this year for the NFL season. The
NFL season will not be impacted. Uh, you could say
it was to a degree last year, but we didn't
miss games. And so the truth is we'll have fans
in the stands. We're gonna have seventeen games played, and
and it's it's gonna be a fun season, especially once
the ball kicks off Week one, Dallas Cowboys Tampa Bay Bucks.

(22:32):
I'm pretty sure that's the first game to kick off
the season. It is not. Yeah, Dallas and Tampa Bay
will be the first game, the season opener. And you
mentioned talking about having fans back. I asked Albert Breer
this and he I just said, you know, which, which
teams do you estimate lost the most money or got
hit the hardest last year as far as not having

(22:53):
fans in attendance, And he said the teams that just
built a stadium for fans, Because you know, it's like
like starting a business. You know early on you're gonna
be at a loss. You're gonna be working in a deficit,
and then you need to build and and and get
your business up before you can start seeing some real
money and some real cash flow. And he said Vegas

(23:13):
and the two l A teams, because Brady, the expectation was,
we're gonna build these stadiums. Uh, the fans are gonna
show up and and we're gonna make a lot of
money based on the number of people that are going
to be there. And it was a ghost town, like
nobody was there in any of these games. So if
you think Vegas, I'm pretty sure he well, that's a
good point down and sat in the new stadium by

(23:34):
himself probably Yeah, yeah, that I mean, that's a good point. Listen.
I I didn't think about that. But you know it's uh,
thanks to get a little bit dicey for for GOV there,
you know, gonna hanging around any longer or what's up?
You know, it's things are. It's a fluid situation, as
they say, Brady Quinn here in California. But you know,
you're a part time California resident. I know you're I

(23:55):
would not say that it actually, I would never say
that at any fashion of the words right, Well, listen,
I would love for the I R S and not
to come knocking on my door. So yeah, not lucky you,
all right? And and and if you do, I don't
rent a car out here because you'll enjoy six dollar
a gallon gas, which is always a fun time out
here in California. But with all that being said, you

(24:18):
mentioned the season opener with what you mentioned the season
opener between the Bucks and the Dallas Cowboys. Now, Dallas
has got their own stuff going on. We're going to
see it play out on hard knocks and and Dak
Prescott's got his thing happening. But the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
have been celebrated all off season. They brought everybody back.
Tom Brady was walking around like a corpse at the

(24:41):
Super Bowl parade because he was so bombed. It has
been a celebration. They've got these big rings that the
rings pop off. It looks like you could store stuff
inside of it. I mean, it is just unbelievable. The
off season, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers of Ad and then
Bruce arians Uh spoke with the media fall going a practice,

(25:02):
uh just a couple of days ago, and had this
to say, about his offense. Really good practice defensively. That
was one of our best start to finish practices defensively,
and probably be the worst offensive practice we've had in
three years. Um, kind of a pattern of behavior. Now
after a day off our offense just stinks and they're

(25:24):
gonna break that habit. But defensively they answered the bell.
They came out and dominated the entire practice and it
was good to see. What do you think the reason
is why the offense struggles coming off again? As then?
I mean, you can't be worn more than every week.
So um dropped past his missed assignments on basic plays.
It's just a lack of concentration. What do you as

(25:47):
a coach, dude, you have to get to reverse that lead,
the reverse of that trend. Well back in the day,
we'd be out here running that of them, but I
didn't work anymore. Um go to jail for that stuff now, Um,
they just gotta grow up and man up. I mean,
this has been identified, so you gotta fix it. I'm

(26:08):
not gonna fix it. You gotta fix it. Oh man.
That is glorious from Bruce arians there. Um, listen, you
know there's okay. The lot we can break down there?
Do you want to break down? First? How you can't
run him anymore, even though Joe Judge, He's sure as
hell tried to. But case in point how it worked

(26:29):
out for the New York Giants after a big, big
time brawl is he wasn't satisfied with their their effort
on the punishment sprints, so then he just started make
him do push ups, which I think you'd cheat anything.
I think you could cheat a push up easier than
you can cheat a hundred yard sprint, right, I mean
you push up, there's a bunch of different ways. Guys

(26:50):
don't fully extend or go up like you're not even
I don't know. I think running a hundred yard sprints
is harder than doing pushups in my opinion. But again
I I digress that stuff doesn't work anyway. Right, Yes,
well listen, but but the part where he said, it's
just funny when these coaches that have been around a
long time, all of a sudden it just hits them
like like a harsh dose of reality that it's no

(27:10):
longer the good old days, back in the day when
you could do certain stuff. And so when Bruce Arian says,
you know you can't do that stuff anymore. You go
to jail these days. Like that is somebody who is
clearly frustrated with with that aspect of the game and
how much it has changed. But he seemed to very
specifically point out every time we come off a day off,

(27:31):
this is what happens every single like like that is
a guy, And I do like the approach to where
he says, I don't know, they need to grow up
and figure it out. Like I can't fix it. They
got to grow up and figure it out. So not
happy as Tampa Bay heads into the season openwners, which,
by the way, uh is now less than a month away,
all right, less than a month away the season opener

(27:52):
between Tampa Bay and Dallas. How to kick off the
one year in the NFL, Brady Quinn, You know, look,
there's a few so many things have changed, I think
with coaching habits, and it's really been the most difficult,
I think for the older coaches in not adapting and
adjusting to the type of players that they're getting coming

(28:13):
into the NFL. Right now. You know, I think you
talked to a lot of college coaches and they've already
had a grip grip or handle on this. It's one
of the reasons why I'm so bullish and I think
what Urban Meyer's going to do with Jacksonville is because
the league has become so young, the players are, you
know that they're they they've adjusted to a different type
of atmosphere and culture now in college football in a

(28:35):
lot of places, there's no more of of what it
used to be. And I think you've still got a
lot of older and coaches in the NFL who are
trying to do the same things they did ten fifteen
years ago that just aren't quite as effective now. Now
you could sit there and say, well, well, Bruce Arians
was effective last year. You know the Bucks won the
Super Bowl. Well, Bruce Arians had been there for a

(28:55):
little bit. They didn't win until they got Tom Brady.
So let's just be real about what the real different
maker was on that team between last year and then
two years prior. Okay, the reality is that was the
greatness of Tom Brady. You know, will will that last
moving forward? I don't. I don't know. You know, a
lot of it's gonna be contingent upon that defense. He
complimented playing so well, but also tom Brady playing at

(29:16):
a really high level and this team taking off from
where it was last year um in in in particular
after that second loss of the Saints and starting to
ascend to the top of the NFL towards the Super
Bowl and some of those luck to right. I mean,
is that game gonna be played the same way if
the kn'cie Chief's offensive line isn't banged up the way
it was. I think it's gonna be a little closer,

(29:38):
probably a little bit different with how it plays out.
But I think there's been a lot of coaches who
have had to look themselves the mayor and decide, am
I going to change? Like? Am I gonna try to adapt,
to be flexible and and change the type of environment
that is probably needed now for players more of an Allah,
Sean McVeigh, Kyle Shanahan, some of the younger coaches that
I think get a lot of credit for how they

(29:59):
do think things that are a little bit more open
to the masses, Or am I going to continue to
keep doing the same thing and expecting these guys to
adjust to me? I just I think that's gonna be
the interesting thing to watch with some of the older
coaches who are going to eventually cycle out here in
the next five years. Um. I just so Bruce Arians,
being as frustrated as he is with those guys, I

(30:19):
just I wonder what this what? What? What was the
messaging there was that was that him basically because he
doesn't he doesn't mess around like he'll He'll be straight
up with you and tell you exactly what. Well, well, no, no,
But what I'm wondering him pointing out and and making
certain that it was that everyone was aware that this
is always after a day off, that this is always

(30:41):
after a day off, that this continues to happen, that
it's them that needs to grow up, and and some
of the reports out of camp there as far as
how bad the practice was that there were a lot
of drops. Bruce Arians mentioned that, but look, man, I mean,
didn't God want to have some issues with drops last year?
I mean I remember that being a big, big time issue.
So I like, I think we kind of view the

(31:03):
Tampa Bay Bucks from and say, man, what a great team,
and this team's on bratty like it it didn't look
all that. It didn't look like it looked towards the
end for majority of the season like there were there
were issues there, like there were problems they had, they
had you know, pitfalls and land mines throughout the course
of the year. Last year. No, and that's part of it.

(31:24):
I think as a head coach, when you go to
training camp, you notice as a player a number of
things they try to do. You know, is is it
a reoccurring theme if after an off day they have
a bad practice offensively, sure that that could be something.
But what he may look back to and say, well, yeah,
we've had we had, we had issues after you know,
there's a thing called victory Monday's. Victory Mondays are you know,
usually when you win on Sunday, Uh, some coaches like

(31:47):
to give you off Monday's. Now, look, giving you off meeting,
you don't have any real obligation to come in, But
most guys still come in, right, they still get their
physical therapy done, They're still gonna watch film, there's still
gonna work out, They're still gonna prepare for that next opponent.
Like most guys do it anyway. They just have the
ability to do it on their own time. And look,

(32:08):
if they don't want to come in, so be it.
But the reason why victory Mondays are so significant is
because you get off tuesdays in the NFL, you know
you're you're you get off one day a week. If
teams take off a Monday and they have that off
day Tuesday, that's two days in a row. But those players, again,
if they take off on Monday, they're probably gonna come
in Tuesday then to get some of the work done.
So the truth of the matter is he's probably preparing

(32:31):
his team for in this season being able to come
back and practice better and play better the following week.
Not wanting this to be a reoccurring theme in the future.
It's not so much about looking backwards, it's more about
looking forwards. And there's always gonna be those days where
head coaches in the NFL take they're gonna take a
day in training camp and they're gonna blow it out

(32:51):
of proportion. They're gonna make it seem like at the
end of the world, and they're doing it to prepare
their team too, mentally and emotionally for what happens in
the course of the sea Sason, because there's gonna be
a time when you have a loss, because no one
goes undefeated, especially not playing seventeen games. But there's gonna
be a time where you're gonna lose, and it's gonna
feel like the world is ending, and and and the
media is gonna write it that way, and people are

(33:13):
gonna talk to you that way, And so you're trying
to build them up physical or mentally and emotionally for
what that's gonna do to them in the course of
the year. So a lot of this is stuff to
kind of prepare them for the season. I'm not saying
that some of it's not legitimate, but there's also a
porsche of it that is looking ahead to what this
season may bring and trying to prepare them for that
that very moment. He's Brady Quin. I'm Jonas Knocks. It's

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it is time for the man who put Greece on

(34:48):
the map well before Janice Antenna Kumpo did it. Is
Petro's Papadakis and five seventy l a sports Fox college
football analysts and one of our favorites here on best
are Petros, Jonas and Brady. What's happening? Good morning? How's
everybody doing? Everybody okay, everybody's happy, everybody feeling great, everybody
getting ready for college football. Well, Brady's got a little

(35:11):
bit of a red ass. And what do you mean, okay,
because he attacked bull in the ring one of the
one of the great practice drills from back in the day,
and get him in the ring almost everything. Petros I

(35:39):
was trying to explain it. There's no ball involved. What's
the points? It's not even a ball involved. Yeah, how
about the one where you like, everybody's laying on the
ground with their helmet pointed toward each other and you
just get up and tackle each other. Was that the
Oklahoma drill? No, that's different. We used to. I mean,
we had such a hardass coach one year, or Paul Hackett,

(35:59):
our coach was going full Schottenheimer who he used to
coach with, and we did Oklahoma before and after practice
just to get everybody all riled up. And you do,
you do get all riled up, and it's a whole thing.
But it's not. It's not real football, like it's not.
It's just it's just you out there trying to destroy

(36:22):
each other. So the coaches can build intensity or think
they're building intensity or I mean, these are long storied
practice tradition things. I mean, the worst football drill is
the diamond drill, which is where you just learned to
tackle with your head in front, and a lot of

(36:43):
people do it like half speed, and it's a good
drill to do that because you you get the right
angle and get your head in front and kind of
form up and do the tackling. But if you do
it full speed, you're you're really hurting the ball carrier
almost every single time, and there's like a point of
contact that continues to happen over and over again. And

(37:05):
that's not football. That's not what happens. Like not to
get too technical about it, but we used to do
like blocking drills and they would bring they call it crossover.
We're standing there on our side of the field is
running backs and I don't want to hear Brady say anything.
Jonas with his red jersey. I played linebacker. I was

(37:29):
a linebacker quarterback back in my high school day. Plenty
plenty of the Oklahoma drills, Jonas, can you even describe
what Oklahoma drill is? Oklahoma drill? Yes, I can. Oklahoma
drill is where there's a lineman blocking another lineman and
a running back with the ball or a ball carrier
and the defensive player has to make a play, and
it's inside these two tackling pads. He's like, just looked

(37:52):
it up. You literally just looked it up in Yeah,
maybe I did, so look I I got a confused
because I the I'm trying to find the name of
the drill where the guys lay on their backs, as
Petros pointed out, and they've got the helmets to each other.
But I can't I remember doing that in like third

(38:12):
and fourth grade. I thought, back then, what is the
point of this, Like, because the guy who gets up
the quickest, that's all it's about it, you know, that's
you actually had three guys who played in college. So
that was the scary thing was I was like, No,
that's what these guys were taught in college, So now
they're they're passing it down to us in third and

(38:33):
fourth grade. That was the bad part about it. But
I digress. So okay, let me ask you this then.
And the reason we got on the topic is because
Bruce arians was, you know, ripping his offense and he said,
you know, back in the day, you'd make him run
and get after him a little bit, but you'd get
arrested nowadays if you did something like that, and so
we just we got into this conversation Petris about how

(38:53):
some of the old time coaches are maybe learning every
single day it's a new NFL or a new college
football and you can't do the things you used to do.
What do you think still applies? So what do you
think if you could go back in time and take
something that you remember from doing during practice that you
still think would have an effect or still bring some
sort of a positive result. What what would it be? Well, so,

(39:13):
something we've discussed before, the allure of half pads is
always applicable, So you can always bribe a team with
half pads or helmets. But none of the stuff that
we did when we were younger applies anymore. I mean,
we would have before they change the rules at USC
and they change the rules right before I was done.

(39:36):
Before they change the rules about practicing, we used to
have a fifty play run drill twice a day and
I'd be like, oh, I I so I so, oh
here's an is so to the left and we just
go and blood at each other and everybody knew it
was coming, and you could see the erection and the

(39:56):
pants of the micro linebacker and that you were going
into the Devil's the Devil's uh, the Devil's playhouse. But
you know, they just don't do that. I mean, we
would have the mic linebackers don't anymore. They'll get excited

(40:19):
for it. Is that what you mean? No, they don't
get as excited. Yeah, come now, that's how excited can
you get in like a twenty play run drail when
you run only four of the plays? You know that
when you're out there, like let's see if he can.
You know, if you used to have like a tough
run in college where it looked like somebody knocked you

(40:39):
clean out and like you kind of got the best
to the guy that tackled you, they'd be like, cool,
do it again, do it, can't do it, can't do
it again. And they'd be like, yeah, that's what Charles
White used to do. And then you look over Charles
White standing on the sideline and he looks like Jim
Thorpe just gotta hit Like, oh, you know, you're like,
is that really what I want to do it? In

(40:59):
high school, we used to we used to practice at
a place called the Snake Pit here in Palas Verdes,
which is actually quite globally famous now because it's yards
away from where Tiger Woods tumbled down the hill there, Yeah,
and took out the rolling hills estates side. Wait what
was that sound effect? We've seen a lot of it

(41:22):
actually over the years on that very street, Hawthorn Boulevard
and Crenshaw, you know, right at the top of the
hill there, which is where the high school is. So
we used to practice in this area where you have
to go, you know, far down into this secluded area
covered in trees, and it's a it's a full football field,
and every once in a while when the coach would

(41:44):
get mad, he'd make a sprint up the hill, like
the part with all the ice plant and pine trees
and ivy and stuff, and you know, and it's like
two yards up and you're in a full football uniform,
like climbing a hill, like you're in the thin headline.
And you always just wonder, why why do I do this?

(42:06):
You know, well, especially in the nineties, because like walking
around when your letterman jacket wasn't cool, like all the
chicks were dating the skinny heroin looking guys. Oh, I
do want to ask that at this at this day

(42:27):
and age, because I was saying this about just some
of the more old school coaches, because there's examples of
you know, Bruce Arians saying, oh, that doesn't work in
the NFL. What Joe Judge Sircel tried it right, Like
he's a he's a first time head coach, you could say,
a younger head coach in the NFL. He's still trying it.
Do you think of days he was making them run
wind sprints, burp and then after after he was upset

(42:50):
that they weren't giving enough effort on their punishment and
wind sprints, then he made them do push ups, which
I'm sitting there thing to myself, dude, come on, this
isn't work. Well. What happened? The reason it doesn't work
at any level really, unless you're coaching at Navy or
something like that, like Kenny Neo Mattalalo. You have to

(43:12):
be that guy forever. And once you crack and you're
not that guy in one situation regarding one player, and
you know football, that's how it works, then you lose
your team. And that's what happened with Paul Hackett. Are
our coach. Paul Hackett was pretty revered NFL coordinator type

(43:32):
and he came to be our head coach at USC
and we had we had been thought to be in
and the years prior undisciplined under John Robinson. In the
second time around, and Hackett was going to discipline us,
so to speak, and god knows he did. You know,
roll like a log until you throw up at five

(43:53):
in the morning if you miss one class, all that stuff,
and there was some good things about it that helped
with the football team. But we did have one player,
r J. Sowerd, who was a wide receiver. It was
really explosive. You remember him, Brady, remember him? Yeah? And yes,
from Fontana Jonas Jonas has told sorry, just transfer from medicine.

(44:18):
He uh, he got away with some stuff, a lot
of stuff, and the team saw it, and people start
to talk, and people start to test your boundaries, because
if you're gonna be a hardass, you better be a
hardass every freaking day with every single guy. And in
modern football, it's just it's just not possible. And once

(44:41):
they see you crack, they know you're fake. Petros Papada
and five seventy l a Sports Fox college football analysts
joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. Jonas Knox, Brady
Quinn here on out kicked the coverage. Um So we
were talking about this last weekend, college football teams reported
to camp getting ready for the season. Well, the season
for some of these teams is three weeks away, now,

(45:03):
less than three weeks away. How often did you feel
like going into the first game of a college football
season that you just weren't ready to go, that that
the time that you had to get ready Petro's just
wasn't enough, and you felt like you were working through
stuff in that first game. Now, well you're always working
through stuff in the first game, and you could practice
for a year and the first game is still gonna

(45:25):
look like a mess. Most of the time, even on
your broadcast, you look back at your first game compared
to like your fifth game, and you almost can't recognize
your team unless you're Brady and you go out and
throw for four yards against some double directional Florida school
to warm up. But I know, no, he didn't have

(45:47):
those sorts of you guys used to open up with people,
and so usually it's, uh, it's chaos. I mean, it's football.
There's so many people involved, and that's what people don't get.
You know, everybody wants to talk about, well, look of
the numbers on this quarterback and there's percentage. It's like, yeah,
but did you see the left guard just fall down

(46:09):
on that one place? You know, stuff like that. Uh,
And and that's the sport. It's a really it's a
really complicated sport, and in many ways it's also very simple.
And I think some of the interest other than it's
parallels with actual war and a lot of the same
terminology as nuclear war. In this country, I think we

(46:31):
love football because it's the ultimate inside out sport. Everybody
wants to know as much as possible about the sport,
and it's almost impossible to know from the outside, even
if you're an expert, because people run a football play
or call a defense and something goes spectacularly wrong. It's

(46:52):
not like the coach on the sideline was trying to
have it goes back. There was a real there's always
a reason somebody calls something or somebody does something out there,
and a lot of the time no one knows why
from the outside. You have to be in their meetings
throughout their week understand their game plan, and that's not
our job as broadcasters. And it's funny the people that

(47:16):
try to get more and more inside of it while
they're calling a game. I think they just confused themselves
and people more and more because there's so much going
on that is unknown, unseen and unsaid that during a game,
even if it's fifty to nothing. So that part of
it kind of fascinates me. And around this time of
the year, I start looking at the teams I'm going

(47:38):
to be doing the games, So I'm not looking at Alabama,
you know, I'm looking at Nevada and those little stories
and those little niche things in the sport and who's
there and how long they've been there and their moment
in time being there is actually really interesting to me.
But I think it's a good question, Jonas. There is

(48:00):
no such thing as ready for the football season, because
the first game is always a circuit and it doesn't
matter who you are, it's it can it can be scary.
I always think, uh, you're more nervous in college than
the NFL, because in the NFL, at least, you've got
maybe some you know, scrimmages, some preseason games, things to
to knock some to knock some rust off, and you've

(48:21):
got so many in the NFL, whereas college. You know,
you don't see how sad color very often like you
don't see. And that's why people hurt each other in
college quite frankly a lot more than they do in
the NFL. In the NFL, people are making money. Uh
some people are adults. Uh yeah, they're crazy, but they're
still making money and they stay off each other's legs

(48:43):
a lot of the time, and if they don't, they
get called out for it. In college, you don't, I
don't know you who is this idiot from Purdue? I
hope you die? You know who? You know what I mean? Yeah,
I know there's there's there's there's an immaturity to as
well as very much that comes along with it. And
obviously they're not as technically sound or fundamentally as sound

(49:05):
and all that. I mean, there's some coaches want you,
they want you to kill people, right, and you're just
about big and strong and fast as an NFL guy.
You're just not as technically sound, like Brady said, and
you're not as smart, you're not as mature. So college
football is the Omaha beach of of d Day, which which,

(49:26):
by the way, uh you we're talking a lot about you.
When you said trying to go bind the scenes. It's
one of the reasons why people are so intrigued by
training camp and hard knocks, and they're intrigued by practice.
These aren't even games. They just want to sneak peak
of what goes on in preparation for the games, which
kind of speaks to why football is so revered in
this country. Petra's were a little over a month into

(49:47):
the whole n I L Southern College Football and I
know we kind of talked, you know, we gave a
presentation to you guys at Fox and our seminar. I'm
more curious by the Yeah, so you're out of there.
You didn't want to be a part of that um.
But but what's what's the impact in your mind? I mean,
as as it changed as much as people receive on
the outside, is it too early to tell in your mind? Well,

(50:08):
I think that there have been some changes, and it's
obvious there was always money going into the hands of
the best players. I mean, let's all be honest about that.
For the most part, that that's that's happened. And these
are the type of people that have paid them, people
from outside the program, donors and people that love the brand,

(50:31):
that's who pays Spence Spencer Rattler, the Grain elevator down
the street, Billy Bob's that's not what we need to
be doing. That's not what solves the problem. That's not
bringing some kind of equanimity, I guess would be the
word to the sport. The people at risk playing between

(50:52):
the lines are still not being paid by the people
that are making the most money. They're not sharing in
the billion dollars of profits. They're just taking money from
other people outside the programs that that's not cool. So
uh to me, it doesn't really solve the problem. How
How did football teams deal with it? Every place has

(51:15):
to deal with it in a different way, and every
place is going to have different levels of who's getting
paid and how much and a sliding scale and all that.
But I think it's the half pads of of the
modern day, something to distract us from what the real
problem is. Petro's Papadakis am five seventy l a sports

(51:36):
Fox college football analysts. You can get him on Twitter
at the old p Petros who always appreciate it. Man,
Let's do it again next week. Enjoy your scraps. You
guys should have seen Brady at the seminar. He showed
like the sun. Just everybody wanted to be around him,
just as I partially tore my achilles there. Uh, that's

(52:02):
no working out. Working out Tuesday morning, I was working
by myself, Devin Gardner. Were you guys doing box jops
running on a treadmill? I think I don't know. Should
have gone to yoga exactly. That's the solution there. Uh, Petros,

(52:23):
we'll be listening later, p MS coming up later on today.
You and Matt money Smith always a good time man,
Thanks so much. We're a Chargers camp today. Alright, m
the security guard would be there, Jonas and me and
Drew Tranquil. Uh, and there he is. I can't wait
for that, all right, so we will. We'll be listening, Petros,

(52:44):
thanks man. Alright, jow your scraps. There he is, the
great Petros Papadecus again. I get him on Twitter at
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(53:08):
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Here as we get closer and closer to a real
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Hard Knocks debuts. Can't can't wait, and it's always one

(53:29):
of my favorite times of the year. Yeah, first first
glimpse at what it's like out here in KNOXNRD as
they call it, you know where the cowboys. That's interesting.
I've never heard anyone, actually, in the history of my
life say KNOXNRD. Well, it depends on who you ask. Uh,
can we can we go around? Maybe? Asked Danny g
and Robert on the Guys. If anyone who has ever
called a Knox lid? Yeah, nobody ever, Yeah, yeah, And

(53:52):
again it depends on who you ask. Not maybe maybe
Dubbin Nashville. Maybe they've they've heard out in Nashville. That's
the case. I have no idea, probably not, Thank you, Sam.
He's shaking his head now. Yeah, nothing like, nothing like
being treated this way. To end the show, Oh right,
it is time for something we do in the in
the show called this How could you not get to?

(54:14):
These stories are the scraps And for that we turn
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earlier on the show, you were both kicking the linguistics,
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He's gonna finalize a move to p SG. I know

(54:36):
you are both just sitting on the edge of your
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him the Argentina Internationals. Traveling to the French capital following
Sunday's emotional farewell to Barcelona at a news conference, Messi
has agreed to sign a two year contract at PSG,
according to sources, with the option for a third year.

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He's taking a private plane today where there are hundreds
of AND's waiting for him at both the airport and
at ps G stadium. Messi's father, Jorge, who's his agent,
was asked by reporters at Barcelona's airport if his son
is gonna sign for PSG. Yes, he replied about that.
So he's teaming up with with neymar correct, Yes, And

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I don't really know. He was essentially a cap casualty
as I understand it, right, exactly correct has the best
of them. I mean, in all reality, it had it
kind of it kind of was like that with Brady
and the Patriots towards the end there, you know, you
know what's said though, Leono Leonel Messi is the greatest
soccer player of all time. Like he's the best of
all times. He's the best of all time. But to

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this day he will never be as loved as Maradona
was by Argentina. Ever, he'll never be as loved. It's
like he didn't win the World come exactly yeah, And
he shown and he can do all of this stuff,
you know, with all these other leagues and when all
these titles and score all these goals. But still I
think that Argentina stuff haunts him. Man, He's just viewed differently.

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Before that team that lost to Germany was stacked and
they didn't win it. You're saying the World Cups are
the only thing that matters to soccer, not nothing else matters.
But World Cups and now I'm a big fan of
the Gold Cup on Fox. Ok, there you go, company man, Yeah,
bring bring me to the to the retreat next time.

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How about that? All right, let's get to let's get
to a real sport here. I don't know how you
guys missed this. An Idaho man with over two hundred
Guinness World Records used a Samurai sword to slice through
eighty five airborne kiwis in one minute while standing on
a balance board to claim his latest title. David Rush,

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who breaks Guinness records to promote stem education, said slicing
through these kiwis while standing on a balance board marks
his tenth record. Inspired by the popular Fruit Ninja video game.
Sliced through the kiwis, which were thrown by his neighbor,
Hollywood Hannon, who used both arms. Hannon through a total
of eighty nine kiwis in the one minute time limit,

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but three were disqualified for not being completely halved, and
one wasn't sliced until after the time expired, putting Russia's
new record. At Man, this guy's a loser. I mean seriously, like,
come on, so I understand it's for stem research or
stem education. What's the correlation, like, how is there any
correlation between what he's doing and then him raising funds

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for STEM education or research, Like I don't, I don't
see it. I don't you know. By the way, how
do you feel about Kiwis? I think they're very overrated?
I mean the strange texture. Yeah, it's like I don't
like him. It's like eating a tarantula. You know, have
you how would you know, say, like if you ever

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ate a tarantula, that's what it would taste like you
have the fur. No, I'm not saying I have. It
just just feels like that's you know, how it would
go saying sure,