November 3, 2021 • 38 mins
Jonas, Brady and LaVar breakdown the first College Football Playoff ranking of the season but Brady cautions everyone from overreacting. FOX Sports MLB Insider Jon Morosi joins the guys live from Houston to recap the Braves beating the Astros in the World Series. Plus, The Good, Bad and Ugly from this week in the world of sports.
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Here a three hour extravaganza in the beginning of our
two here on Fox flo are you looking at Max
Freed getting stepped on again. I told you thiseman, I
told you it was a near thisman he almost snapped
his legs. And two are we being serious right now?
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Just you thought that was almost as bad as these
because it wasn't even close. I mean, because you know
it was Lawrence Taylor stepped on thiseman's ankle and broke
his leg. He had step on him. Did he tackled him?
He stepped on him. No, he tackled him. He stepped
on him. He didn't step Okay, what do we want
to bet on this? That Lawrence Taylor stepped on Joe
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Theisman's ankle. That's how broke anybody wanted let's place wagers
on this league? Can you document this? We're betting on
a guy's broken ankle here on the air. This is
terrible karma, but let's let's go ahead. Let's bet who
who wants money on this? Brady way? It was a sack. Okay,
he stepped on his ankle. I don't know though, if
it's like the same, it's kind of different. Right, he
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stepped on his ankle. That's how Joe, thiseman or thiesman,
whatever we want to call it. How are you pronouncing it?
Because I've always heard his pronounced. I'm you guys nice.
You guys know the story behind it though, right, let's
go live to our and I know how Joe theisman,
But could be thiseman broke his ankle against Lawrence Taylor
inside or Eddie Garcia for the latest day. I don't
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know about that, but I was just willing to shime
in on things and I don't. He didn't step on hand,
He stepped on jumped. He did jump on him. He jumped, Yeah,
he jumped on his yea, his body landed. He pulled
him down, he landed on his leg. You guys don't
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have the same version. I can see it. Yeah, that's okay.
We're good, We're good. Yeah, you guys see, you guys
didn't have the same camera angle I did. That's the problem.
You didn't have access to all that back then. I did,
unfortunately for you. Do you want to make another bet
on a thank you? Why are we gonna bring him
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up into the conversation here? You guys don't want to
miss recently, So Joe, thisman, it was the name in
college was Theisemen. That's the that's the real name. Yes,
But once he was up for the Heisman. They changed marketing.
It was all marketing and promotion to help him win
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the Heisman name. So they changed and give him credit.
I think it's an awesome move that. I mean, it
was close enough. It's spelled the same way. So they
changed it from thisemen the thisman, so that Ryan with
Heisman and that that became the campaign that only exist
in college football, like make something up and everyone's like, yeah,
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let's do that. You know, well, you know it's not
going to exist in college being nicknamed. Here's what's not
going to be named in college football, Cincinnati being in
a playoff that's not going to be named. I love it.
I love it. I love Why would a fan of
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Hawaii not want to root for the the underdogs? Why
is too good for the college football playoff? Alright, Eddie,
they're too good for the college football playoff? All right?
Like they're even too good for their old stadium where
the Pro Bowl was played. No, we don't need that.
Give us bring to light a couple of things. Yeah,
all right, this is just the first ranking. Can we
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all calm down. Come on, it has been a crazy
college football season so far. It's just the first one,
and I'll remind you, is this not better than the BCS.
We're not happy we have a playoff? Yes? Okay, Like,
let's stop moaning complaining about it. I know people are
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frustrated with where Cincinnati stands, and and at some point
they'll expand and there'll be a part of it, even
though it seems like they might not this year. But
the real reason why I think there's this like misplaced
hatred or frustration with the College Football Playoff Committee is
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because everyone bought into the most meaningless, insignificant group that
there is in college football right now, and that's the
Associated Press. Like you all fell for it. You believe
that a bunch of people who have no say, no
power whatsoever, but feel high enough about themselves where they
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keep putting out a ranking every week even before the season,
when we shouldn't have one, don't need one, but they
still do it because they think they matter. News flash,
the ape pole is relevant. It's a relevant, tasted point
by how different the A people is versus the college
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Football Playoff, which actually determines who's going to play for
a national championship. It's just so fun now it's I'm
gonna stay away from this one. But I will say this,
They're not out of it. I do believe that nature
may Nature does seemingly always take its course against some
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of these teams that are right there at making it
into the playoffs. And I know that for certain because
I was one of those, uh, one of those players
that was victimized by circumstance of nature taking its course.
So all Cincinnati has to do is continue to keep
playing hard and and and win. And listen, I know
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they didn't get style points for this let this latest
game that they played. Um, they have to their hell
to a different standard because they're not playing the same
type of competition. Like I understand that they just got
to go out there and they got to handle their
business because somebody that that is in that that top
four or or what it's top four, right, yeah, yeah,
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somebody's going to lose. Who was it is Oakland State
and in Ohio State played, Yeah, there you go. So
Georgia Alabama will play in the SEC Championship. So there's that,
and and I just think that Cincinnati just needs to
keep playing. If Georgia wins out and they're in the
SEC Championship game, they're in because you're not dropping them
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from one to four. Regardless of what happens in the title,
it's not happening. So and we saw that last year,
by the way, But you can justify that for Big
ten team. I don't think if one of them, yeah,
right now, if Michigan I mean Michigan State or Ohio
State lose, maybe Ohio State gets the benefit of the doubt,
but I doubt it not at what did you say
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the last time we talked about this, how many two
lost teams? We've never had a lost team, right, So
there you go. So this is the only way that
I think ultimately Cincinnati gets pushed out or doesn't have
any shot. That is, if Alabama beats Georgia, and george
is that twelve and one team Alabama's twelve one sec champ.
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To Jonas's point, they're both getting in. Now Ohio State,
Michigan State, Michigan State's three Ohio States five they play
each other. The loser of that is out. I'm saying
right now, how State's gonna beat him the way they play?
So Ohio State jumps up in that spot. Now. The
only other team that could wreck it for Cincinnati in
that case if they went out when their conference is
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Oregon if Oregan wins on because the committee which is
set as part of their criteria Championships one and had
to head play, they couldn't leap frog Cincinnati over Oregon
if they've won a Power five conference and they beat
Ohio State, and Ohio State's gonna be part of the conversation,
so you'd have to have it Georgia, al Obama, Ohio State,
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Oregan in that order. Cincinnatis sitting at five on the
outside looking in. Now, where does that leave Oklahoma? What
at eight? You know, what's interesting about Oklahoma is they
are pushed so far backed by that. I wasn't because
their strength of schedule is it's it's actually the worst
in the top ten next to Cincinnati. So Cincinnati's played
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the lettust schedule. Obviously Oklahoma's right there and it's not
that much of a separation. Now. The difference is that
they get to play a couple of ranked teams coming
up in Baylor in Oklahoma State, so they're gonna have
their moments to leap frog these teams. You know, Michigan's
gotta play Ohio State. They're ahead of them, Michigan States
ahead of them. They they all they all play Ohio State.
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I think Ohose State runs the table. Those two will
be out and so it starts to clean itself up.
And by the way, who doesn't think that if Oregon
lost to Stanford, you don't think they could lose the
rest of the season. I mean, I don't. I know,
their play caller wasn't there, and there it's some banged up,
some injuries. They could lose at any point in the
patch for all the way this season's gone. So Cincinnati
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just needs to win, win convincingly and this could sort
itself out if the season goes so I think it might.
But let me let me revisit Oklahoma. They're they're undefeated.
If they were to win out and win the Big Twelve,
Like this was the problem I had the year that
Penn State didn't make it into the playoff. How do
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you justify a conference champion that's undefeated or a conference
champion getting in and somebody from that same conference getting
into the playoff over the conference champion. So they were
two lost team, right I believe they did. Yeah, but
then they allowed Ohio State went in. But they beat
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Ohio State for or they beat Wisconsin for the Big Ten. Championships,
So you have a champion of your conference that isn't
the difference there was head to head play because Ohio
State had beat Penn State, I believe that year right,
But because of how the circumstances ended up, I think
Penn stating going and representing him. Is that how that
worked out? I don't recall it that way. I think
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we did beat I think we did beat o'ho State
that year. Maybe they lost to Michigan State in that year.
Maybe that's what I'm thinking. We weren't undefeated, I know that,
but we were okay. So But but then my biggest
thing is how do you take a team that isn't
even the best team in their conference by by championship
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status or or judgment. How do you take a team
that isn't even the conference champion over the conference champion?
And if I'm the Oklahoma Sooners and I go undefeated
and we win our conference, how do we miss the playoffs?
Because I think here's the part that that I think
gets overlooked is the eye test aspect of it. And
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that causes room wiggle room for some people to justify
why they do certain things. But how do you lose
the eye test. If you're undefeated and you win your
con speak because they're playing such a week schedule. It's
the same thing I've brought up before. Like Oklahoma this
year played Western Carolina as one of their non conference
I mean, and that is a top notch program. How
dare they also like like Nebraska now when they schedule them,
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they thought Nebraska will be at a different point Nebraska's
struggle this year. That's a losing football team. So when
you start adding those things up right now, what the
committees looking at is who you've beat and your strength
of schedule. They're not factoring in losses yet now they have,
at least in regards to head to head Hence Ohio
State being behind Oregon, Um, Wisconsin's ahead of Iowa. There's
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other examples of that in the polls. But the reality
is right now there. I think Oklahoma finds its way
up into the top four and they and they would
be the team to leap rog Cincinnati if they went
out because they'll have a tougher strength of schedule. And
you continue to hear Gary Barda talk about who they've beat,
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who have they beat, who have they beat? That matters
to this committee so I think with what you're saying,
it'll solve itself out. Remember Ohio State was a sixteenth
seed in when the first ranking came out, they ended
up find their way in the top four. And and
by the way, if if we're talking about if the
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whole goal is to get the top four teams in
the country, the best four teams, Brady, in your mind,
who are the best four teams in college football right now? Georgia, Alabama,
Ohio State. Those you can't even dispute. And then after
that it's tough. I would say, you know, you're picking
between Oklahoma, Oregon, Michigan State. But honestly, it's a toss up.
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Cincinnati could throw in there too. It's it's a toss up.
It's you've got three of the best teams and then
kind of everyone else. So it is what it is.
It's fun. It's fun. The outrage is fine, all right.
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we are going to present you a brand new segment
here on Fox Sports Radio. We're gonna hand out some good,
some bad, and a little bit of ugly here on
fs ARE, So stick around for that coming up twenty
minutes from now, right now. Uh, he is kind enough
to join us here. Uh the morning after a World
Series champion was crowned. He's the great John PALMERO. See
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Fox Sports Radio MLB Insider. You see his work on
the MLB Network, John Paul, we appreciate it. And and
before we get things started here, I just wanted to
get your thoughts on this call from last night's game
back Toma throws it right sideline. It is and it's good.
Just have picked it off, John Paul, I'm sorry about that.
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I don't know why they played Michigan's lost to Michigan
State on the Spartan Radio network. That that is a
terrible move by the production crew here, just evil evils scenes,
good morning. I think that was a different, different file
that we were supposed to play the game from last night.
We can talk about Michigan Michigan States some other time,
probably um as as I said, I think I said
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rather objectively last time we talked, or might have been
the time before that, I was a little bit concern
playing on the road at Michigan State, and I also
was concerned about Penn State, was concerned about Ohile State.
But but yes, uh a uh nonetheless, I do think
Michigan State looks pretty strong and those uh and those
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CFP rankings will see what happens there. But yes, a great,
a great world series win last night for the Braves
and very deserve it. Yeah, JP, take us through the
journey of the Atlanta Braves this season. We've kind of
talked about how, you know, three months ago there were
sub five hundred team and they didn't give up on
the season. They didn't look two. They battled back. Now
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they're they're waking up this morning as world champions. I
talked to me a little bit about what you witnessed
from this Braves team throughout the course of this year. Well, Brady,
it's remarkably if you think about Ronald the Kuna Jr.
Who might be one of the top five players in
the sport, maybe top three players in the sport um
and he he gets hurt right before the All Star break,
and I think that really changed the trajectory of their season. Certainly,
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the timing of it could not have been worst. They
were at the point where a lot of observers, myself included,
were wondering if if they were going to be sellers
at the trade deadline and and start moving players out
and getting ready for But I think one of the
key things that happened there was Alexanthopolis their GM right
as the All Star break was ending, they traded for
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Jack Peterson, and Alex has said that he wanted to
send a message to the group that they weren't done yet,
and so they bring in Jock and they start to
play a little bit better, and then eventually by around
the first part of August or so, they really started
to become a different team. And that was when they
finally got everybody going that they brought an Orio. So Lara.
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By the way, so Larya World Series m v P
was batting under two hundred for the first half of
the season with the Kandas City Worlds. His batting average
for the year was under two hundred, and so when
you when you think about where all these different players
are now to where they came from, if you were
to tell me that the if you were just to
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watch a random Kansas City Royals game in July and
say to yourself, this guy here was batting under two
He's going to be the world through his m v
P for the Atlanta Braves. It's the odds of all
of this. It's just it's it's there so long and
so remote that I just think it typifies what happens here.
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We were in at his update about about Brian Stitcher
and everything he has achieved in the game. The odds
again of someone being with just one organization for his
entire adult life to then be the manager of that team.
And it's just there's a lot of really good, positive,
feel good stories about the Braves, and again there their
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ability to get here is pretty extraordinary. I want to
make sure to make this point as well. Do you
think about two teams that are sitting home right now
watching this this these playoffs, the Toronto Blue Jays in
the Seattle Mariners. Both of those teams missed the AL
playoffs entirely, and they won more games in the regulations
in what Atlanta did. So think about that, and that
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just tells you how how random the baseball playoffs can be,
and how what it takes to win in October can
be very different than the first six months the season.
You know, the Astros tried to to make up make
a push, and coming into the game, you had some
some real interesting feedback and thoughts on how they could
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carry their momentum into last night or you know, in
the in the game, and that didn't happen, and and
and when you think of the Astros, everybody always uses
the punchline to what their offense is based off of, well,
you know, the elephant in the room them cheating. Uh,
they weren't able to get that offense going. What does that?
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What does that mean for the Stros moving forward? Do
they shed the you know, kind of the punch lines
of what they represent or or is this just sustain
that just isn't going to go away. They will always
have to deal with it. It's a very fair question
of our I I do think that, and I've covered
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them a lot over the years. UM covered a lot
of games in Houston in the month of October and
have seen the crowd and been around it. I I
think that they are going to be considered as one
of the defining teams of this generation. They are objectively
a great team and have been a great team. Certainly
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what happened in ten, especially as they win the World
Series but are found to have cheated via the science
dealing scandal, there will that will always be the second
part of any first sentence about what this team has
achieved that you would just probably say this era of
Astro's baseball in looted the first championship and franchise history
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and also a scandal that that marred the way that
championship is viewed for many fans. It's it's impossible to
separate the two. Now. I also say it's not fair
to to really look at and judge this year's team
through that lens. Obviously, the players themselves did not pay
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a suspension, if you will, but they, you know, the
the what they hear on the road from fans is
pretty pretty vulgar, pretty tough, and and they have stood
up to it every day for a very very long time.
And and since the scandal broke and since the penalties
were enacted um and MLB's investigation was done, they've also
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won basically as many games as anybody in the American
League during if you count in the postseason, in regular season,
last year and this year. So I find it hard
to to view or two discount what they've done the
last couple of seasons because of that. But you're right
that it's that it is impossible to view this era
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of baseball, which which by some measures is the golden
era of the franchise. It's impossible to do that with
any degree of context if you don't also include what
happened in seventeen, the follow up from it and how
it has really put a bit of an asterisk on
all they've achieved the last five six years. John Palmero
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CI Fox Sports Radio, MLBNST MLB Network insider as will
joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. Le Barrington Brady Quinn.
Jonas knocks with the here on fs are JP. When
you look back on this season and when you're, you know,
writing your book to finish up your career talking about
baseball and the return to somewhat normalcy following the pandemic,
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what is going to be the biggest takeaway for you
from this year getting back to a normal routine for
these teams and these players and these coaches. Well, it's
it's an interesting question, Jonas, because last night, as uh
as everything was winding down, I was actually sitting in
the stands, uh after I completed by my interviews and
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what I was doing on the field for MLB Network,
and actually when I called in and spoke with our
friends at night and Jason Smith and his his show,
I was sitting in the stands and I was watching
what is always my favorite scene of the year, and
it is the families. The families and the players, and
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and the journey for every player is so unique, whether
they're from l A or whether they're from another part
of the world. There was a lot of sacrifice that
was involved in a lot of people that were that
were behind these players, that have helped them get to
where they are. A lot of a lot of family members,
you know, with spouses and children and their own parents,
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and and youth baseball coaches and college coaches. There's and
and certainly Brady and Lavark and speak to what it's
like to feel that way when you're in a big
moment in your career and and you think about all
those who helped you get there. And so for me
to be able to and last year was obviously inherently
different because of the bubble and and all the COVID protocols,
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but for me to be able to see the families
again together and embracing and and Freddie Freeman hugging his dad.
Of course, Uh, Freddie lost his mom about twenty years
ago to cancer, and and uh you could tell Freddie
was was emotional and crying his dad the same way.
And and uh, just to see that embrace which happened
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probably tended ten feed away from me, Um was special,
and it reminded me of of certainly how far we
all have come in a year where where we can
enjoy and celebrate a night like that in a very
different way than we did a year ago. UM, And
just to be appreciative to be able to see that again,
because that's it's probably my favorite part of the job.
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You know, the the the the games and the analysis
of it as fun and we can second guest managers
and and talk about trades and all those sorts of things.
About the end of the day, it's about the people
that play the game and the people who have helped
them get there. And so for me to be able
to see that that hug from Freddie and his dad again,
that was That's that's probably the image I'm always gonna
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have in my heart from from the season JPS. We
look back on on the the end of the Major
League Baseball season, I want to kind of ask you
a question where it all started. Though a lot of
controversy around pitching substances that you know, pitchers were We're
not using that whole Major League Baseball witch hunt. I mean,
it seemed like at one point of season it just
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all started to go away and die down. Um, where
are we at in your mind as far as that
is it over? Is it done with? Are we going
to revisit it in the off season, because that was
one of the things that I said got swept under
the rug. But I felt like it was a lot
of what we were talking about you with early in
the season. You're right, Brady, and and it's I do
think the enforcement is still going to be there. Uh
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and and and certainly it was there throughout the World
Series where you would see a picture come off the
field and he'd be checked by an umpire. And we
have heard very very few suspensions or discipline on this
since the initial couple first weeks of the rollout, and
some pictures have had to relearn how to throw. There
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was some controversy. Tyler Glass now was very critical about
what he perceived as a link between the re enforcement
and him getting injured. So there's that part of of that,
that difficulty, But I also think in general it did
it did make for a better product. Uh, it's not.
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We're not back to St. Louis Cardinal baseball in terms
of balls and play and and uh and that aspect
of fundamental baseball necessarily, but I really believe that the
the product at the end of the year was better
than what it was at the start of the year.
And uh and and and the checks of the of
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the pictures became so routine that you almost didn't even
really react to it anymore. It's just almost, um, I
don't even know how routine it would be, but it
was just it was. It was as basic as as
anything else. You know, check it into work if you will.
It's it was the same thing that the one thing
that I wanted to a quick story about about the
how commonplace the checking of pictures became Phil Mayton, of course,
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who had a tremendous world series for the Astros. I
was talking to him yesterday about his brother Nick, who
was an infielder with the Phillies. And Nick actually was
was pressed into services to pitch one inning, actually one
batter earlier in the year when the Phillies were short,
they were down a bunch of runs, and and Phil
said that, yeah, his brother was so proud that he
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got on the mountain pitched and the best part about
it was that the umpire checked him on his way
off the mound, just to make sure because he because
the joke was he looked so good on the mound
that he had to get checked to be sure it
was all above board, and Phil was laughing. Sand you know,
Nick thought that was the coolest thing ever, that he
was so impressive the umpire had to check him. So
it's just become a part of the game that that
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we're all expecting. And I think Brady's your point. I'm
glad you've asked about it, but I think it's it's
it's helped us get to a better spot as a sport.
I think it's a little bit better now to watch
a game than it was in the first half of
the season. John, before we let you go super quickly, Uh,
my last question is purely one of just just from
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your perspective and your angle coming into the World Series.
Obviously there was a lot of fanfare behind wanting that
dream matchup between the Dodgers and and Boston. It didn't
work out that way. How did this World Series rank
for you? It's a great question, LaVar. I think that
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a couple of things to see a team in Atlanta win.
Of course, they hadn't one since ninety five. I was
really struck last night by seeing how many Braves fans
were here in Houston. I think it reminded us and
you know, and we're all here, you know, some bit
of a similar age when you think about this team
in the ninety nineties and what they represented, and how
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what a national following they had through TBS and through
just what a what a great roster they had, all
the success they had with the three Hall of Fame
pictures and Glavin Maddox and Smols and of course Chipper
Jones offensively, you're reminded of how much this team means.
I guess I was reminded again, and I you know,
I love watching games in Atlanta and and love the city,
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but I was reminded again of just how special this
franchise is in the game. UM. And I also thought
a lot about Henry aarn uh and and what an
incredible gentleman um he has been in America, uh far
beyond baseball, but is what what Mr Arab represented. I
still remember the first time I met him at the
World Series and thing it was ten years ago. I
just happened to be uh It's and I sort of
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positioned myself exactly where he would be walking after giving
out the henry eran award to be able to shake
his hand, and I remember just shaking his hand and
just how strong his handshake was. And then I was
in the presence of greatness. And guys, you know, we're
all around sports a lot, and so you try not
to be star struck too often, but that was I
was so starstruck I could barely even talk. And uh
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and I was just thinking about him last night as
than everybody was. And so just his at Tanks team
at Tanks team that won, and as I think, that's
that's what's gonna make it special. I think for me
looking back on this one, get him on Twitter at
John Morrossie. He's John Palmeross. He Fox Sports Radio, MLB Insider.
You see his work on the MLB Network, and we
plan on talking with him more about the Michigan Wolverines.
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He is the the pride and joy of ann Arbor,
John Morrossie, so we need to have conversations about that
later in the seasons. Well, yeah, it sounds sounds great.
I still I still think better days ahead for the
Wolverines coming forward, but it's gonna be a it's gonna
be a tough one and happy value lav I'm already
worried about that one. That one gotta play Ohio stage.
It could be a long road ahead. Yeah, well, Brady,
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Well we'll hopefully, well, we'll catch up to you guys
when you're when you're in for the big one there
at the end of the season. But I'll always love
conversations here during the course of here with you guys.
Man meet the world to me. Thank you. So there
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was smooth, man. I had to smooth it out because
it was real grimeing at it was griming. The landing
of it was pretty good, but the takeoff was griming.
Now that's pretty bad. Teammate on Teammate crime was like
I specialized in that, like in two thousands. Even in
nine might have been my worst year for for player
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on Player of Crimes. But I don't know what player
on Player of Crimes you're talking about. But I know
the player on Player of Crimes I was talking about.
We was, I was. I was playing in the game
of Love. But I didn't really love them. I just
loved the game. Listen, you know, it sounds like what
I mean, I mean, it sounds like there's there's a
lot that what I mean, Yeah, there's a lot. You know,
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it's Times of Love. It's almost as if like there's
some good in it and a little bit of bad
and some ugly a lot of it. There are some
good things that happen, and there's some bad, and then
there's some downright ugly things. It's type for good, bad,
and ugly. Alright, lead a lap, you hand it out.
(34:30):
Who's got the responsibilities of handing out this week's awards
here on fs are let's take it away. That's right.
This week, LaVar is gonna kick it off and tell
us what was the good this week in the world
of sports? I mean, come on, that's easily Von Miller
going to the l A. Rams. You're talking about a
team that already has the most dominant football player in
all of all of the NFL and Aaron Donald. Now
(34:53):
you add another dominant force like that, and you have
Jalen Ramsey on the back end of that defense. That
had to be the good in sports this week for
certain And for the bad this week, it's going to
beat jonas well. For the bad is for a couple
of NFL bettors out there, and these might be two
of the same guys. Better Number one is anybody who
(35:15):
bet the Cincinnati Bengals on the money line to beat
Mike White and the New York Jets only to lose
Cincinnati The hottest team in the NFL. Just just an
absolute steel toe boot right to the nuts. And then
you follow that up the other one is and this
is probably the same Bettors who had the l a
Rams minus sixteen and a half against the Houston Texans.
(35:37):
It was a wipe out. I'm just telling you, man,
there's the people out there that got money on this.
The holidays are coming up around the corner and they're
gonna get jobed at of gifts because some degenerate they're
related to had the Rams minus sixteen and a half.
They were blowing out Houston only to see Wells. But
see the Texans score twenty two points for no reasons
whatsoever with all the drama they got, and they end
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up losing. That's my bad for then it's terrible and
for the ugly this week, Brandy Quinn's gonna let us
know what was that? Well, there was a lot of
different directions. I could have gone here. Clearly, there's some
ugly things happening out in Las Vegas. Not gonna go there, though,
stay a little higher note. That was the ugliest, but
the ugliest interception we saw Carson Wentz who drops back
(36:21):
into his own end Zo under dress, under pressure, what
does he decided to do? Well? He tries to throw
a left handed pass that subsequently gets pick six, completely
changed the momentum in that game. That was the ugliest
thing I have seen all week, not only in football,
in all of sports. I just draft heaved. Thank god,
(36:47):
it was bad. I just I feel like that's one
of those plays where every time you're trying to defend him,
you're trying to, you know, prop him up and say
he could do this, they can come back, they can
win the a f C. South. You see that sort
of playing go what was I thinking? Okay, can you
explain as a quarterback? Can you can you explain if
you had to, if you had to justify the decision
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from a quarterback? Well, here's here's what I want to justify. Okay.
You know Dan Orvloski, who's who's an ESPN personality now,
it was really best known for running out of the
back of the end zone, and that's something he's never
been able to get around. In fact, now he kind
of jokes about it and tries to make it funny. Uh,
It's it's not funny, but it's it's it's to the
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point where I think Carson Wentz, knowing he's in the
end zone, was thinking in the back of his mind,
what's worse than throwing an awful, awful left handed pick six.
It's being, you know, lapped right next to Dana Orlowski
for the rest of my life. Think of the end
zones actually twelve yards deep, not ten and that being
what everyone knows me for I did. I don't know.
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Everyone's scared to run out of the back of the
end zone like that's what he's known for. It's always
got to go back to. And I think the brain
and his zip was what was active when he threw
that ball the way that he did. I think it
altered the other brain. God, it was so ugly and
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compared to leave. I cannot believe he made that. By
the way, can you remember when I remember when Brady
and I were doing a show together on Sunday nights
and people would give us a hard time because we
were we were pounding the table saying, listen, Dak Prescott's
the best quarterback from that class, but he could never
compete with Carson Wentz in his zip game. And that
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Here a three hour extravaganza in the beginning of our
two here on Fox flo are you looking at Max
Freed getting stepped on again. I told you thiseman, I
told you it was a near thisman he almost snapped
his legs. And two are we being serious right now?
(01:27):
Just you thought that was almost as bad as these
because it wasn't even close. I mean, because you know
it was Lawrence Taylor stepped on thiseman's ankle and broke
his leg. He had step on him. Did he tackled him?
He stepped on him. No, he tackled him. He stepped
on him. He didn't step Okay, what do we want
to bet on this? That Lawrence Taylor stepped on Joe
(01:49):
Theisman's ankle. That's how broke anybody wanted let's place wagers
on this league? Can you document this? We're betting on
a guy's broken ankle here on the air. This is
terrible karma, but let's let's go ahead. Let's bet who
who wants money on this? Brady way? It was a sack. Okay,
he stepped on his ankle. I don't know though, if
it's like the same, it's kind of different. Right, he
(02:12):
stepped on his ankle. That's how Joe, thiseman or thiesman,
whatever we want to call it. How are you pronouncing it?
Because I've always heard his pronounced. I'm you guys nice.
You guys know the story behind it though, right, let's
go live to our and I know how Joe theisman,
But could be thiseman broke his ankle against Lawrence Taylor
inside or Eddie Garcia for the latest day. I don't
(02:32):
know about that, but I was just willing to shime
in on things and I don't. He didn't step on hand,
He stepped on jumped. He did jump on him. He jumped, Yeah,
he jumped on his yea, his body landed. He pulled
him down, he landed on his leg. You guys don't
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have the same version. I can see it. Yeah, that's okay.
We're good, We're good. Yeah, you guys see, you guys
didn't have the same camera angle I did. That's the problem.
You didn't have access to all that back then. I did,
unfortunately for you. Do you want to make another bet
on a thank you? Why are we gonna bring him
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up into the conversation here? You guys don't want to
miss recently, So Joe, thisman, it was the name in
college was Theisemen. That's the that's the real name. Yes,
But once he was up for the Heisman. They changed marketing.
It was all marketing and promotion to help him win
(03:33):
the Heisman name. So they changed and give him credit.
I think it's an awesome move that. I mean, it
was close enough. It's spelled the same way. So they
changed it from thisemen the thisman, so that Ryan with
Heisman and that that became the campaign that only exist
in college football, like make something up and everyone's like, yeah,
(03:56):
let's do that. You know, well, you know it's not
going to exist in college being nicknamed. Here's what's not
going to be named in college football, Cincinnati being in
a playoff that's not going to be named. I love it.
I love it. I love Why would a fan of
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Hawaii not want to root for the the underdogs? Why
is too good for the college football playoff? Alright, Eddie,
they're too good for the college football playoff? All right?
Like they're even too good for their old stadium where
the Pro Bowl was played. No, we don't need that.
Give us bring to light a couple of things. Yeah,
all right, this is just the first ranking. Can we
(04:41):
all calm down. Come on, it has been a crazy
college football season so far. It's just the first one,
and I'll remind you, is this not better than the BCS.
We're not happy we have a playoff? Yes? Okay, Like,
let's stop moaning complaining about it. I know people are
(05:01):
frustrated with where Cincinnati stands, and and at some point
they'll expand and there'll be a part of it, even
though it seems like they might not this year. But
the real reason why I think there's this like misplaced
hatred or frustration with the College Football Playoff Committee is
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because everyone bought into the most meaningless, insignificant group that
there is in college football right now, and that's the
Associated Press. Like you all fell for it. You believe
that a bunch of people who have no say, no
power whatsoever, but feel high enough about themselves where they
(05:45):
keep putting out a ranking every week even before the season,
when we shouldn't have one, don't need one, but they
still do it because they think they matter. News flash,
the ape pole is relevant. It's a relevant, tasted point
by how different the A people is versus the college
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Football Playoff, which actually determines who's going to play for
a national championship. It's just so fun now it's I'm
gonna stay away from this one. But I will say this,
They're not out of it. I do believe that nature
may Nature does seemingly always take its course against some
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of these teams that are right there at making it
into the playoffs. And I know that for certain because
I was one of those, uh, one of those players
that was victimized by circumstance of nature taking its course.
So all Cincinnati has to do is continue to keep
playing hard and and and win. And listen, I know
(06:51):
they didn't get style points for this let this latest
game that they played. Um, they have to their hell
to a different standard because they're not playing the same
type of competition. Like I understand that they just got
to go out there and they got to handle their
business because somebody that that is in that that top
four or or what it's top four, right, yeah, yeah,
(07:13):
somebody's going to lose. Who was it is Oakland State
and in Ohio State played, Yeah, there you go. So
Georgia Alabama will play in the SEC Championship. So there's that,
and and I just think that Cincinnati just needs to
keep playing. If Georgia wins out and they're in the
SEC Championship game, they're in because you're not dropping them
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from one to four. Regardless of what happens in the title,
it's not happening. So and we saw that last year,
by the way, But you can justify that for Big
ten team. I don't think if one of them, yeah,
right now, if Michigan I mean Michigan State or Ohio
State lose, maybe Ohio State gets the benefit of the doubt,
but I doubt it not at what did you say
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the last time we talked about this, how many two
lost teams? We've never had a lost team, right, So
there you go. So this is the only way that
I think ultimately Cincinnati gets pushed out or doesn't have
any shot. That is, if Alabama beats Georgia, and george
is that twelve and one team Alabama's twelve one sec champ.
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To Jonas's point, they're both getting in. Now Ohio State,
Michigan State, Michigan State's three Ohio States five they play
each other. The loser of that is out. I'm saying
right now, how State's gonna beat him the way they play?
So Ohio State jumps up in that spot. Now. The
only other team that could wreck it for Cincinnati in
that case if they went out when their conference is
(08:38):
Oregon if Oregan wins on because the committee which is
set as part of their criteria Championships one and had
to head play, they couldn't leap frog Cincinnati over Oregon
if they've won a Power five conference and they beat
Ohio State, and Ohio State's gonna be part of the conversation,
so you'd have to have it Georgia, al Obama, Ohio State,
(09:01):
Oregan in that order. Cincinnatis sitting at five on the
outside looking in. Now, where does that leave Oklahoma? What
at eight? You know, what's interesting about Oklahoma is they
are pushed so far backed by that. I wasn't because
their strength of schedule is it's it's actually the worst
in the top ten next to Cincinnati. So Cincinnati's played
(09:23):
the lettust schedule. Obviously Oklahoma's right there and it's not
that much of a separation. Now. The difference is that
they get to play a couple of ranked teams coming
up in Baylor in Oklahoma State, so they're gonna have
their moments to leap frog these teams. You know, Michigan's
gotta play Ohio State. They're ahead of them, Michigan States
ahead of them. They they all they all play Ohio State.
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I think Ohose State runs the table. Those two will
be out and so it starts to clean itself up.
And by the way, who doesn't think that if Oregon
lost to Stanford, you don't think they could lose the
rest of the season. I mean, I don't. I know,
their play caller wasn't there, and there it's some banged up,
some injuries. They could lose at any point in the
patch for all the way this season's gone. So Cincinnati
(10:04):
just needs to win, win convincingly and this could sort
itself out if the season goes so I think it might.
But let me let me revisit Oklahoma. They're they're undefeated.
If they were to win out and win the Big Twelve,
Like this was the problem I had the year that
Penn State didn't make it into the playoff. How do
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you justify a conference champion that's undefeated or a conference
champion getting in and somebody from that same conference getting
into the playoff over the conference champion. So they were
two lost team, right I believe they did. Yeah, but
then they allowed Ohio State went in. But they beat
(10:48):
Ohio State for or they beat Wisconsin for the Big Ten. Championships,
So you have a champion of your conference that isn't
the difference there was head to head play because Ohio
State had beat Penn State, I believe that year right,
But because of how the circumstances ended up, I think
Penn stating going and representing him. Is that how that
worked out? I don't recall it that way. I think
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we did beat I think we did beat o'ho State
that year. Maybe they lost to Michigan State in that year.
Maybe that's what I'm thinking. We weren't undefeated, I know that,
but we were okay. So But but then my biggest
thing is how do you take a team that isn't
even the best team in their conference by by championship
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status or or judgment. How do you take a team
that isn't even the conference champion over the conference champion?
And if I'm the Oklahoma Sooners and I go undefeated
and we win our conference, how do we miss the playoffs?
Because I think here's the part that that I think
gets overlooked is the eye test aspect of it. And
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that causes room wiggle room for some people to justify
why they do certain things. But how do you lose
the eye test. If you're undefeated and you win your
con speak because they're playing such a week schedule. It's
the same thing I've brought up before. Like Oklahoma this
year played Western Carolina as one of their non conference
I mean, and that is a top notch program. How
dare they also like like Nebraska now when they schedule them,
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they thought Nebraska will be at a different point Nebraska's
struggle this year. That's a losing football team. So when
you start adding those things up right now, what the
committees looking at is who you've beat and your strength
of schedule. They're not factoring in losses yet now they have,
at least in regards to head to head Hence Ohio
State being behind Oregon, Um, Wisconsin's ahead of Iowa. There's
(12:36):
other examples of that in the polls. But the reality
is right now there. I think Oklahoma finds its way
up into the top four and they and they would
be the team to leap rog Cincinnati if they went
out because they'll have a tougher strength of schedule. And
you continue to hear Gary Barda talk about who they've beat,
(12:57):
who have they beat, who have they beat? That matters
to this committee so I think with what you're saying,
it'll solve itself out. Remember Ohio State was a sixteenth
seed in when the first ranking came out, they ended
up find their way in the top four. And and
by the way, if if we're talking about if the
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whole goal is to get the top four teams in
the country, the best four teams, Brady, in your mind,
who are the best four teams in college football right now? Georgia, Alabama,
Ohio State. Those you can't even dispute. And then after
that it's tough. I would say, you know, you're picking
between Oklahoma, Oregon, Michigan State. But honestly, it's a toss up.
(13:38):
Cincinnati could throw in there too. It's it's a toss up.
It's you've got three of the best teams and then
kind of everyone else. So it is what it is.
It's fun. It's fun. The outrage is fine, all right.
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some bad, and a little bit of ugly here on
fs ARE, So stick around for that coming up twenty
minutes from now, right now. Uh, he is kind enough
to join us here. Uh the morning after a World
Series champion was crowned. He's the great John PALMERO. See
(15:06):
Fox Sports Radio MLB Insider. You see his work on
the MLB Network, John Paul, we appreciate it. And and
before we get things started here, I just wanted to
get your thoughts on this call from last night's game
back Toma throws it right sideline. It is and it's good.
Just have picked it off, John Paul, I'm sorry about that.
(15:29):
I don't know why they played Michigan's lost to Michigan
State on the Spartan Radio network. That that is a
terrible move by the production crew here, just evil evils scenes,
good morning. I think that was a different, different file
that we were supposed to play the game from last night.
We can talk about Michigan Michigan States some other time,
probably um as as I said, I think I said
(15:53):
rather objectively last time we talked, or might have been
the time before that, I was a little bit concern
playing on the road at Michigan State, and I also
was concerned about Penn State, was concerned about Ohile State.
But but yes, uh a uh nonetheless, I do think
Michigan State looks pretty strong and those uh and those
(16:13):
CFP rankings will see what happens there. But yes, a great,
a great world series win last night for the Braves
and very deserve it. Yeah, JP, take us through the
journey of the Atlanta Braves this season. We've kind of
talked about how, you know, three months ago there were
sub five hundred team and they didn't give up on
the season. They didn't look two. They battled back. Now
(16:34):
they're they're waking up this morning as world champions. I
talked to me a little bit about what you witnessed
from this Braves team throughout the course of this year. Well, Brady,
it's remarkably if you think about Ronald the Kuna Jr.
Who might be one of the top five players in
the sport, maybe top three players in the sport um
and he he gets hurt right before the All Star break,
and I think that really changed the trajectory of their season. Certainly,
(16:58):
the timing of it could not have been worst. They
were at the point where a lot of observers, myself included,
were wondering if if they were going to be sellers
at the trade deadline and and start moving players out
and getting ready for But I think one of the
key things that happened there was Alexanthopolis their GM right
as the All Star break was ending, they traded for
(17:22):
Jack Peterson, and Alex has said that he wanted to
send a message to the group that they weren't done yet,
and so they bring in Jock and they start to
play a little bit better, and then eventually by around
the first part of August or so, they really started
to become a different team. And that was when they
finally got everybody going that they brought an Orio. So Lara.
(17:43):
By the way, so Larya World Series m v P
was batting under two hundred for the first half of
the season with the Kandas City Worlds. His batting average
for the year was under two hundred, and so when
you when you think about where all these different players
are now to where they came from, if you were
to tell me that the if you were just to
(18:04):
watch a random Kansas City Royals game in July and
say to yourself, this guy here was batting under two
He's going to be the world through his m v
P for the Atlanta Braves. It's the odds of all
of this. It's just it's it's there so long and
so remote that I just think it typifies what happens here.
(18:25):
We were in at his update about about Brian Stitcher
and everything he has achieved in the game. The odds
again of someone being with just one organization for his
entire adult life to then be the manager of that team.
And it's just there's a lot of really good, positive,
feel good stories about the Braves, and again there their
(18:46):
ability to get here is pretty extraordinary. I want to
make sure to make this point as well. Do you
think about two teams that are sitting home right now
watching this this these playoffs, the Toronto Blue Jays in
the Seattle Mariners. Both of those teams missed the AL
playoffs entirely, and they won more games in the regulations
in what Atlanta did. So think about that, and that
(19:09):
just tells you how how random the baseball playoffs can be,
and how what it takes to win in October can
be very different than the first six months the season.
You know, the Astros tried to to make up make
a push, and coming into the game, you had some
some real interesting feedback and thoughts on how they could
(19:32):
carry their momentum into last night or you know, in
the in the game, and that didn't happen, and and
and when you think of the Astros, everybody always uses
the punchline to what their offense is based off of, well,
you know, the elephant in the room them cheating. Uh,
they weren't able to get that offense going. What does that?
(19:57):
What does that mean for the Stros moving forward? Do
they shed the you know, kind of the punch lines
of what they represent or or is this just sustain
that just isn't going to go away. They will always
have to deal with it. It's a very fair question
of our I I do think that, and I've covered
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them a lot over the years. UM covered a lot
of games in Houston in the month of October and
have seen the crowd and been around it. I I
think that they are going to be considered as one
of the defining teams of this generation. They are objectively
a great team and have been a great team. Certainly
(20:39):
what happened in ten, especially as they win the World
Series but are found to have cheated via the science
dealing scandal, there will that will always be the second
part of any first sentence about what this team has
achieved that you would just probably say this era of
Astro's baseball in looted the first championship and franchise history
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and also a scandal that that marred the way that
championship is viewed for many fans. It's it's impossible to
separate the two. Now. I also say it's not fair
to to really look at and judge this year's team
through that lens. Obviously, the players themselves did not pay
(21:27):
a suspension, if you will, but they, you know, the
the what they hear on the road from fans is
pretty pretty vulgar, pretty tough, and and they have stood
up to it every day for a very very long time.
And and since the scandal broke and since the penalties
were enacted um and MLB's investigation was done, they've also
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won basically as many games as anybody in the American
League during if you count in the postseason, in regular season,
last year and this year. So I find it hard
to to view or two discount what they've done the
last couple of seasons because of that. But you're right
that it's that it is impossible to view this era
(22:10):
of baseball, which which by some measures is the golden
era of the franchise. It's impossible to do that with
any degree of context if you don't also include what
happened in seventeen, the follow up from it and how
it has really put a bit of an asterisk on
all they've achieved the last five six years. John Palmero
(22:30):
CI Fox Sports Radio, MLBNST MLB Network insider as will
joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. Le Barrington Brady Quinn.
Jonas knocks with the here on fs are JP. When
you look back on this season and when you're, you know,
writing your book to finish up your career talking about
baseball and the return to somewhat normalcy following the pandemic,
(22:51):
what is going to be the biggest takeaway for you
from this year getting back to a normal routine for
these teams and these players and these coaches. Well, it's
it's an interesting question, Jonas, because last night, as uh
as everything was winding down, I was actually sitting in
the stands, uh after I completed by my interviews and
(23:12):
what I was doing on the field for MLB Network,
and actually when I called in and spoke with our
friends at night and Jason Smith and his his show,
I was sitting in the stands and I was watching
what is always my favorite scene of the year, and
it is the families. The families and the players, and
(23:32):
and the journey for every player is so unique, whether
they're from l A or whether they're from another part
of the world. There was a lot of sacrifice that
was involved in a lot of people that were that
were behind these players, that have helped them get to
where they are. A lot of a lot of family members,
you know, with spouses and children and their own parents,
(23:55):
and and youth baseball coaches and college coaches. There's and
and certainly Brady and Lavark and speak to what it's
like to feel that way when you're in a big
moment in your career and and you think about all
those who helped you get there. And so for me
to be able to and last year was obviously inherently
different because of the bubble and and all the COVID protocols,
(24:15):
but for me to be able to see the families
again together and embracing and and Freddie Freeman hugging his dad.
Of course, Uh, Freddie lost his mom about twenty years
ago to cancer, and and uh you could tell Freddie
was was emotional and crying his dad the same way.
And and uh, just to see that embrace which happened
(24:36):
probably tended ten feed away from me, Um was special,
and it reminded me of of certainly how far we
all have come in a year where where we can
enjoy and celebrate a night like that in a very
different way than we did a year ago. UM, And
just to be appreciative to be able to see that again,
because that's it's probably my favorite part of the job.
(24:56):
You know, the the the the games and the analysis
of it as fun and we can second guest managers
and and talk about trades and all those sorts of things.
About the end of the day, it's about the people
that play the game and the people who have helped
them get there. And so for me to be able
to see that that hug from Freddie and his dad again,
that was That's that's probably the image I'm always gonna
(25:16):
have in my heart from from the season JPS. We
look back on on the the end of the Major
League Baseball season, I want to kind of ask you
a question where it all started. Though a lot of
controversy around pitching substances that you know, pitchers were We're
not using that whole Major League Baseball witch hunt. I mean,
it seemed like at one point of season it just
(25:38):
all started to go away and die down. Um, where
are we at in your mind as far as that
is it over? Is it done with? Are we going
to revisit it in the off season, because that was
one of the things that I said got swept under
the rug. But I felt like it was a lot
of what we were talking about you with early in
the season. You're right, Brady, and and it's I do
think the enforcement is still going to be there. Uh
(26:00):
and and and certainly it was there throughout the World
Series where you would see a picture come off the
field and he'd be checked by an umpire. And we
have heard very very few suspensions or discipline on this
since the initial couple first weeks of the rollout, and
some pictures have had to relearn how to throw. There
(26:21):
was some controversy. Tyler Glass now was very critical about
what he perceived as a link between the re enforcement
and him getting injured. So there's that part of of that,
that difficulty, But I also think in general it did
it did make for a better product. Uh, it's not.
(26:41):
We're not back to St. Louis Cardinal baseball in terms
of balls and play and and uh and that aspect
of fundamental baseball necessarily, but I really believe that the
the product at the end of the year was better
than what it was at the start of the year.
And uh and and and the checks of the of
(27:02):
the pictures became so routine that you almost didn't even
really react to it anymore. It's just almost, um, I
don't even know how routine it would be, but it
was just it was. It was as basic as as
anything else. You know, check it into work if you will.
It's it was the same thing that the one thing
that I wanted to a quick story about about the
how commonplace the checking of pictures became Phil Mayton, of course,
(27:26):
who had a tremendous world series for the Astros. I
was talking to him yesterday about his brother Nick, who
was an infielder with the Phillies. And Nick actually was
was pressed into services to pitch one inning, actually one
batter earlier in the year when the Phillies were short,
they were down a bunch of runs, and and Phil
said that, yeah, his brother was so proud that he
(27:47):
got on the mountain pitched and the best part about
it was that the umpire checked him on his way
off the mound, just to make sure because he because
the joke was he looked so good on the mound
that he had to get checked to be sure it
was all above board, and Phil was laughing. Sand you know,
Nick thought that was the coolest thing ever, that he
was so impressive the umpire had to check him. So
it's just become a part of the game that that
(28:09):
we're all expecting. And I think Brady's your point. I'm
glad you've asked about it, but I think it's it's
it's helped us get to a better spot as a sport.
I think it's a little bit better now to watch
a game than it was in the first half of
the season. John, before we let you go super quickly, Uh,
my last question is purely one of just just from
(28:29):
your perspective and your angle coming into the World Series.
Obviously there was a lot of fanfare behind wanting that
dream matchup between the Dodgers and and Boston. It didn't
work out that way. How did this World Series rank
for you? It's a great question, LaVar. I think that
(28:51):
a couple of things to see a team in Atlanta win.
Of course, they hadn't one since ninety five. I was
really struck last night by seeing how many Braves fans
were here in Houston. I think it reminded us and
you know, and we're all here, you know, some bit
of a similar age when you think about this team
in the ninety nineties and what they represented, and how
(29:11):
what a national following they had through TBS and through
just what a what a great roster they had, all
the success they had with the three Hall of Fame
pictures and Glavin Maddox and Smols and of course Chipper
Jones offensively, you're reminded of how much this team means.
I guess I was reminded again, and I you know,
I love watching games in Atlanta and and love the city,
(29:33):
but I was reminded again of just how special this
franchise is in the game. UM. And I also thought
a lot about Henry aarn uh and and what an
incredible gentleman um he has been in America, uh far
beyond baseball, but is what what Mr Arab represented. I
still remember the first time I met him at the
World Series and thing it was ten years ago. I
just happened to be uh It's and I sort of
(29:56):
positioned myself exactly where he would be walking after giving
out the henry eran award to be able to shake
his hand, and I remember just shaking his hand and
just how strong his handshake was. And then I was
in the presence of greatness. And guys, you know, we're
all around sports a lot, and so you try not
to be star struck too often, but that was I
was so starstruck I could barely even talk. And uh
(30:19):
and I was just thinking about him last night as
than everybody was. And so just his at Tanks team
at Tanks team that won, and as I think, that's
that's what's gonna make it special. I think for me
looking back on this one, get him on Twitter at
John Morrossie. He's John Palmeross. He Fox Sports Radio, MLB Insider.
You see his work on the MLB Network, and we
plan on talking with him more about the Michigan Wolverines.
(30:40):
He is the the pride and joy of ann Arbor,
John Morrossie, so we need to have conversations about that
later in the seasons. Well, yeah, it sounds sounds great.
I still I still think better days ahead for the
Wolverines coming forward, but it's gonna be a it's gonna
be a tough one and happy value lav I'm already
worried about that one. That one gotta play Ohio stage.
It could be a long road ahead. Yeah, well, Brady,
(31:03):
Well we'll hopefully, well, we'll catch up to you guys
when you're when you're in for the big one there
at the end of the season. But I'll always love
conversations here during the course of here with you guys.
Man meet the world to me. Thank you. So there
he is a great John Palm ROSSI joining us here
on Fox Sports Radio. It is two Pros and a
Cup of Joe here on fs ARE, LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn,
Jonas knocks with you here on Fox Sports Radio. Coming
(31:24):
up next. We got a little bit of good, we
got a little bit of bad, and we got a
little bit of ugly, and we've got a lot of
it for you here coming up next on fs ARE.
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(31:47):
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(32:33):
we're gonna get back into the NFL some storylines out there,
including some teammate on teammate crime potentially. I will have
that for you here on two PC. O J and
Lavaron used to do that quite a bit in my
younger days. Man, Well, it's because you're such a you're
such a thorough brand. Had to me. I had to
grow up and I was a Thoroughbreds for certain, And
(32:56):
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(33:19):
was smooth, man. I had to smooth it out because
it was real grimeing at it was griming. The landing
of it was pretty good, but the takeoff was griming.
Now that's pretty bad. Teammate on Teammate crime was like
I specialized in that, like in two thousands. Even in
nine might have been my worst year for for player
(33:44):
on Player of Crimes. But I don't know what player
on Player of Crimes you're talking about. But I know
the player on Player of Crimes I was talking about.
We was, I was. I was playing in the game
of Love. But I didn't really love them. I just
loved the game. Listen, you know, it sounds like what
I mean, I mean, it sounds like there's there's a
lot that what I mean, Yeah, there's a lot. You know,
(34:09):
it's Times of Love. It's almost as if like there's
some good in it and a little bit of bad
and some ugly a lot of it. There are some
good things that happen, and there's some bad, and then
there's some downright ugly things. It's type for good, bad,
and ugly. Alright, lead a lap, you hand it out.
(34:30):
Who's got the responsibilities of handing out this week's awards
here on fs are let's take it away. That's right.
This week, LaVar is gonna kick it off and tell
us what was the good this week in the world
of sports? I mean, come on, that's easily Von Miller
going to the l A. Rams. You're talking about a
team that already has the most dominant football player in
all of all of the NFL and Aaron Donald. Now
(34:53):
you add another dominant force like that, and you have
Jalen Ramsey on the back end of that defense. That
had to be the good in sports this week for
certain And for the bad this week, it's going to
beat jonas well. For the bad is for a couple
of NFL bettors out there, and these might be two
of the same guys. Better Number one is anybody who
(35:15):
bet the Cincinnati Bengals on the money line to beat
Mike White and the New York Jets only to lose
Cincinnati The hottest team in the NFL. Just just an
absolute steel toe boot right to the nuts. And then
you follow that up the other one is and this
is probably the same Bettors who had the l a
Rams minus sixteen and a half against the Houston Texans.
(35:37):
It was a wipe out. I'm just telling you, man,
there's the people out there that got money on this.
The holidays are coming up around the corner and they're
gonna get jobed at of gifts because some degenerate they're
related to had the Rams minus sixteen and a half.
They were blowing out Houston only to see Wells. But
see the Texans score twenty two points for no reasons
whatsoever with all the drama they got, and they end
(35:58):
up losing. That's my bad for then it's terrible and
for the ugly this week, Brandy Quinn's gonna let us
know what was that? Well, there was a lot of
different directions. I could have gone here. Clearly, there's some
ugly things happening out in Las Vegas. Not gonna go there, though,
stay a little higher note. That was the ugliest, but
the ugliest interception we saw Carson Wentz who drops back
(36:21):
into his own end Zo under dress, under pressure, what
does he decided to do? Well? He tries to throw
a left handed pass that subsequently gets pick six, completely
changed the momentum in that game. That was the ugliest
thing I have seen all week, not only in football,
in all of sports. I just draft heaved. Thank god,
(36:47):
it was bad. I just I feel like that's one
of those plays where every time you're trying to defend him,
you're trying to, you know, prop him up and say
he could do this, they can come back, they can
win the a f C. South. You see that sort
of playing go what was I thinking? Okay, can you
explain as a quarterback? Can you can you explain if
you had to, if you had to justify the decision
(37:08):
from a quarterback? Well, here's here's what I want to justify. Okay.
You know Dan Orvloski, who's who's an ESPN personality now,
it was really best known for running out of the
back of the end zone, and that's something he's never
been able to get around. In fact, now he kind
of jokes about it and tries to make it funny. Uh,
It's it's not funny, but it's it's it's to the
(37:28):
point where I think Carson Wentz, knowing he's in the
end zone, was thinking in the back of his mind,
what's worse than throwing an awful, awful left handed pick six.
It's being, you know, lapped right next to Dana Orlowski
for the rest of my life. Think of the end
zones actually twelve yards deep, not ten and that being
what everyone knows me for I did. I don't know.
(37:53):
Everyone's scared to run out of the back of the
end zone like that's what he's known for. It's always
got to go back to. And I think the brain
and his zip was what was active when he threw
that ball the way that he did. I think it
altered the other brain. God, it was so ugly and
(38:14):
compared to leave. I cannot believe he made that. By
the way, can you remember when I remember when Brady
and I were doing a show together on Sunday nights
and people would give us a hard time because we
were we were pounding the table saying, listen, Dak Prescott's
the best quarterback from that class, but he could never
compete with Carson Wentz in his zip game. And that
(38:34):
is a good point. Upon further review, based on the
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