May 5, 2022 • 44 mins
Thursday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn and LaVar Arrington debate the legitimacy of Cinco de Mayo, HBO Boxing and Top Golf. Senior NFL Reporter for TheMMQB, Albert Breer talks post draft free agency, Baker Mayfield’s contract debacle, Niners relationship with Deebo and Jimmy G and much more. Don’t expect D.C. to help college football with NIL and the guys talk Irish Wolfhounds and Swedish Cricket.
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Is the best of two pros and a couple of
Joe with Lamar Areas, Rady Quinn and Jonas Knocks on
four Radio. Let us be the first to wish you
happy Sinco to maya happy drink o big time. Yeah,
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that's what they call it in some places, man Cinco
Day drinko. Take everyone back? Can I take everyone back
a few years? Please do? When it just so happened
that sinking of my fill on a Sunday, and as
I was working with the one Jonas Knocks, it was
explained to me LaVar that this is the most overrated
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holiday in the Mexican culture that there is, so Jonas proclaimed.
And even though I was trying to celebrate it. I
was trying to say, hey, this is a big day.
We should go out and grab some drinks. He said, no,
no, no no, no, no, Um, you're just you're folling for
the trap. So what's the trap? He said, It's like
a Hallmark holiday. Uh, he goes, this is not a
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real holiday. He goes, No one celebrates it. Don't buy
into the hype. Yeah, it's a whitewash Mexican Fourth of
July and people are so dumb They don't realize that's
September six is actually the correct fourth of July. Burn.
Oh hey, I'm spitting facts here. Viva ladrasa man spitting facts.
Bernough so so Jonas marries respect a woman from the
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Mexican background, Jalisco and is now an authority on Mexican
culture and I but my thing is, isn't this still
though it's not. Everyone thinks it's like a Mexican Independence Day,
but isn't about the victory over France? Well I think
that over Yeah, but Mexico lost, didn't they didn't they
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lose this one? Okay? Well, okay, well there was there's
like an element to it to where they lose the
Alamo by the way, only us. Didn't they lose this one?
Like why would you sell them lost? Well? No, because
I mean they still cover the spread. I mean I
had you know, I may had a wager on that
years ago. I'm just saying. I'm just saying that this
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is a very whitewashed holiday. But it is an excuse
to drink, Like, well, there's a lot of people that
aren't Irish to celebrate St. Patrick's Day. It's any excuse
to drink. I heard it should be called Cinco gringo,
is what I heard. It was, really, that's what I
heard yesterday. Somebody told me, you know, and I would
have never heard that unless I lived in Glenn Door.
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But I did hear that in in West Covina actually
yesterday that it's called Is that that's accurate sinco gringo.
You know what, although they do play it up because
you know, every big boxing event featuring a Mexican fighter
is always around Cinco, like Canello. Canelo's fighting in this weekend,
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I didn't was always a Marquez fight or an Oscar
dal Lahoya fight. But no, it's a true like that.
That's that's a true trying to say. I'm just you know,
the impression it is played up until it as well too.
Um hard right hand by Arrington left up to the
hard right hand and another right hand. Let's go out
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another right hand. Did you feel you were aggressive enough
early on or did you not show enough until the
round was nearly over that toast at the end? Yeah,
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I thought Errington came out aggressive early on in the
first round. He landed a bunch of body shots, but
he started to slow down towards the end. Still, I
thought he did enough damage there to do to win
the round there. I gave it ten nine to Arrington.
I got a thirty Arrington after three. Jim. That's Letterman, right, man.
I miss HBO boxing like to my core like that,
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like Larry Merchant at the end of the fights was
the most condescending, but it was the best, right because
he irritated everyone and Mayweather got into it. I'm not
too old to kick your ass's right. That was back
in the day. Man. Now somebody want to taken that wrong.
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You know that would have been spunning a diner. Well,
your boy be he fights back these days though, Like
he really does have like really good comeback. So who's
who's the guy that does him? Now? Oh? What's his name? Oh? Man,
I can see his face and I could see his
face in my head. But anyways, yeah, but you know
I'm talking about I think so he's tall, he slam,
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he does basketball, he's done basketball. I can't remember his
name off the top. He pretty famous too, but you know, okay,
but happy since go to Mayo. Everybody get it's Cranco
to Mayo. Everybody get after a little bit and enjoy
your you know, overpriced at chips and saw some whatever
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they can do to try and get you to spend
a bunch of money. So there's that. Do you guys
want to do it? Are you guys want to do it? No? Thursday,
I gotta be ready for the show tomorrow. Hashtag built
for this. I gotta fly out of here tomorrow. Yeah
that's right. Yeah, yeah. When you step off the plane,
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do people know he's one of us, Like he's from
p A. I've never been to Scranton, so I don't know.
It'll be interesting to see. I just keep hearing the
theme song of of of the Office of Dundon Muffler.
What's it called? Whatever? I don't even know. But again,
you know, go see some of my minor league hockey.
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But the Penser in the playoffs, you know, I mean,
you know, find it, find a sports bar, watch the
Pen's play about it. Yeah, could go to Mary Margarite,
Town Town, Scranton, Margarite. We were we were reminiscing to
your judgmental tone on top Golf, the conversation that we
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did have a show conversation about the top Golf conversation
that is true. Once he walked into a bus au
and she she had no ideas. She had started a
conversation with Savage how An Island about this. This is
why I don't know you worked on an Alid. It
was just the fact that you drove the point home
like you drove it twenty times. And I mean you
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you put every single nail in that coffee. I'll put
it this way. Someone had to. Someone had to. It
is it is Brady Quinn to a t that in
the middle of a show, just so, I mean, just
the topic about Top Golf. I mean, it's like not
even that big of a deal. He's looking up Top
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golf e so he can break out the switchblade to
win a fight on the air game breakdown of where
how many the times they're open? Like But but it's
I mean, to to Brady's credit. I mean he did
get you on on Margarita Ville. I mean it's the
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same exact thing he broke it down for you. I
did go through their locations, you did plenty you. My
thing is, it's just if you're going to go to Vegas,
and I think for those of us that have been
there and had a great time there, you kind of
covet that experience. You've made some great memories there. Maybe
there's some things you'd like to leave there that came
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back with you. I don't know, but I digress. The
point is, and you get involved in Vegas and how
special it is and the different things you can do there.
You don't go there to do something you could do
anywhere else. Like, it's not like your experience at the
top golf in Vegas is gonna be any different than
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your experience at the top golf in southern California, in
South Florida, in any other part of the country. It's
the same thing, all right, these big next everyone gets
a golf club, you got food and booze and stuff,
and you're hitting golf balls out into a range. It's
it's there's no difference. There is no difference turning on
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where you going to play top golf around the entire
country or world for that matter. But she was so
excited to offer it up for us to go do it.
And by the way, Lee to lap. The second we
walked into MGM last week. Lee walks in and he
sees the little like kiosk or desk area where they're
selling top golf passes. And you would have thought you
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would have thought It was a stripper who had a
sign that said I'm here for Lee, And I mean
he couldn't get over there fast enough. That's true. Oh,
I wanted to go up to the room. Was like, hey,
let's check our stuff. No no, no, Lee had to
make sure you don't neet room together. No no, no no,
no no, you could go to the room. Let's go
to the room, to the room that was no soldiers
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left behind. Man when you travel and it was your
own room, you got there safe. To two guys, one
king bit. The new name of the show, Ye name
of the show. Two guys, one king Bit. I'll be honest,
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it'd be one thing if you guys just dry humping guys,
something very strongly about my love of balls that room
one king bit round sneak around the conversation. Love hard
to spit everywhere? What are you a camel? What happened here?
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He's literally there's water everywhere in the studio. Now Is
that what you were saying to Lee? He shook out proudly.
Is Lis send it back so proud like, Yeah, that's
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what he said, Lee? What are you a camel? Sure?
Spinning things everywhere? Yeah, there's water everywhere? Now, everywhere you
made a mess of it. Be sure to catch live
editions of Two Pros and a Cup of Joe with
Brady Quinn, LaVar Arrington and Jonas Knocks weekdays at six
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am Eastern three am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and
the I Heart Radio app. Here's our guy, Albert Breer,
senior NFL reporter at the mm QB. You can get
him on Twitter at Albert Brier. Albert first and foremost
happy Sinco to Mayo, to you and yours every you
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guys too. Yeah, how are you gonna be celebrating Albert? Yeah? Yeah,
huge plans. I've got uh youthful cross practice this afternoon.
I'm gonna make sure my other one gets off to soccer.
So yeah, it's gonna be awesome, big time, big time.
Sounds like you're really excited about guy, um, Albert. So
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the draft is in the books. What is the next
big move in the NFL? The next big transaction? We
should be on the pickout for what do we got?
You know, there are still some free agents out there,
and I think you know, getting past that marker there
um on May second where signings don't count against the
contensatory pick formula. Is actually a bigger deal than most
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fans realize. And I won't get into the weeds of it,
but you know, teams like the Rams and the Ravens
and the Patriots really worth the game that formula. And
so you know, like I think you'll see some teams
that weren't active earlier in the off season maybe get
a little bit more active now. UM and looking at guys,
and a lot of them are third contract guys, guys
like Odell Beckham and Jarvis Landry and Jadevian Clowney. UM.
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So I think that's one thing to keep an eye on, um,
you know. And then I think the other thing is,
of course, what happens with the quarterbacks um and and
Jimmy Garoppolo, Baker Mayfield, And I guess now you can
throw Nick Foles into the group and that UM, you know,
I don't think we have a firm grasp yet on
where those three are gonna play in two And you know,
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you still have a couple of places like Carolina, like
Seattle that could be looking for another body to bring
in there and compete. UM. Once you get the training camp.
Baker Mayfield, Baker Mayfield, Baker Mayfield, what's the update with him,
what's going to happen with him? Um? Obviously Kevin Stefanski
has had to talk about the quarterback situation, didn't really
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include Mayfield. Any chance this gets wrapped up here anytime soon?
You know, I think a lot of it's gonna boil
down to how much of the money the Browns are
willing to swallow, you know. And obviously they already uh,
you know, handed an enormous contract to Deshaun Watson, um,
and so you know, do they want to invest ten
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million dollars, twelve million dollars, fourteen million dollars and facilitating
a trade for Baker Mayfield, at which point, Brady, they
would really just be buying a draft pick, you know, um,
because you know you can cut him. But if you
cut him, you're on the hook for the eighteen point
eight million dollars. And oh, by the way, you can't
control with destination, you know, here you go sound the
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Steelers tomorrow if they did that. And so, you know,
I think a lot of this is gonna boil down
to how much of Baker Mayfield's money or the Browns
willing to take on and the trouble they have now
is because the juncture we're at in the off season. Um,
most teams have a lot of their cap and cash budget, um,
you know, kind of maxed out for for the off season,
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and you know a lot of teams have their quarterback
depth charts filled out for the off season. And so,
you know, I think, absent an injury, this is probably
going to come down to the Browns maybe giving Baker
may feel permission to go and seek a trade, which
you know, I think it's a piece of the equation,
finding a place where maybe he can go and compete,
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you know. And then I think the next piece of
it has definitely got to be, you know, how much
of the money are they willing to take on because
without a starting a clear starting job out there, um,
I don't think anybody's willing to pay that eight team
point a million dollars for Baker. Oh, it seems like
Deebo Samuel's is back in on San Francisco. Do you
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have any information that that hasn't become maybe evident or
or in the media just yet that may have dictated
why that is. Yeah, Well, I can just tell you
they've been working hard on it, you know, and I think, um,
you know, the relationship building part of this was big,
and I you know, I can tell you just talking
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to Niners people over the last month, it's been sort
of like a third rail thing for them, you know,
like they don't want to talk publicly about it. They
don't even want to really talk privately about it much
because they want to you know, kind of treat them
situation in the player with respect, um, you know. And
so I know that they've worked really hard to try
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to get Debo back in the fold, and I think
respecting the fact that maybe this really wasn't about money, um,
that this was more about role. Now there's money help,
you know. I I don't think anybody be naive to
think that, you know, a contracted million dollars a year
or whatever it might wind up being, wouldn't help solve
the problem. But you know, I do think Debo and
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his camp have been forth right and that like a
lot of this does come down to Roll and his
longevity and how he sees himself as a player, and
that's all stuff they've got to work out, you know. Um.
I mean, you guys know this watching him, and you
guys know what you're looking at when you're watching football
way more than I do. Um, this wasn't a receiver
who was you know, being out there on end of
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rounds and jet sweets and that sort of stuff. Last
I mean, he was playing like I formation tailback, you know,
And so you know, I think resolving how he's used
going forward is a big piece of this, and I
know that that's something that they've been working on. Albert
Brier a senior NFL reporter at the MMQB. You can
get him on Twitter at Albert Brier. Joining us this
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morning on Fox Sports Radio. UM. Speaking of the Niners,
John Lynch, when he talks about Jimmy Garopplo and specifically
his decision to have the surgery when he did after
the season, seems like he's a little bit frustrated just
with the timing of the surgery. Um. Is that what
you gather in talking to people that there may be
a little bit bothered by Jimmy's decision to have the
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surgery when he did. Yeah, I mean I think that
that like six week lag has turned to be a
big deal. You know. I I think if you if
you really look at it, and um, you know, I
think what Jimmy's camp would tell you to be fair
to Jimmy is that, like you know, it just sort
of was a pain thing and they thought it would
subside and um, they thought that they could kind of
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work through it, which just rehab and obviously this is
gonna be a critical year for his career. Um, And
they tried and it didn't work, you know. And so
when you lose that, you know, your five six weeks,
what difference does that make? Well, you know, if Jimmy,
if you had that five six weeks back, maybe Jimmy's
coming close to throwing right now. And if he's coming
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close to throwing right now, well maybe they have an
opportunity to trade him before the draft. As it is,
he's got, you know, a year left on his contract,
so if you're trading for him, you're trading for him
for two and that's it. And if you're just looking
at him within the context of this year alone, and
he can't throw yet, um, and he's not gonna be
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able to throw until the end of June beginning of July,
and now you're looking at it and you're saying to yourself, well,
we have to trust that he's gonna be able to
throw then, and then we have to trust. He's getting
ready to go by September, and everybody thinks he's gonna
be okay, but you don't know he's gonna be okay.
And again you're just buying him for this year alone. God,
that's tricky, you know, And so I think that's where
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some of the frustration might have come from. You know,
at one point, was like, if they take care of
this right after the season, because everybody knew it could
be an issue, maybe the timeline looks different and Jimmy
is at or close to full health, you know, right
at when the draft is happening, and then the Niners
can move him off the roster for draft picks, Jimmy
can be a starter somewhere else, and everybody walks away happy. Albert.
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I want to go back to the Cleveland brown situation.
We've seen some news this past week of Hugh Jackson's
claims that the Browns tried to incentivize him to tank. Now,
those reports were found to be unsubstantiated, but it does
seem like there's some smoke there, or at least based
on the way they went about trying to build up
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cap space and all of that to really make a
run moreen as opposed to what do you kind of
clean from some of the tea leaves that have come
out from all of it. You know, I first of all,
I think the guys that did the report for reporting
for us, you know, over the last couple of months,
you know, Conn Roar and Gary Grammling did a nice
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job and kind of laying it out. And I encourage
anybody to go check out the story. I think what's
interesting about it, Brady is up like if you look
at the contract, Yeah, you like that free stories, right,
I But I, I, uh, you know, I think like
if you look at the content, I think if you
guys actually got ahold of the contract, you'd be fascinated
by it because it really does look like a baseball
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contract and the way that a lot of the things
are set up, and it looks like analytics came into
play with everything, you know, and so much of it
was based on like this like long term plan, this
four year plan, and how kind of you know, like
draft capital played into it, and how cap space played
into it and all this stuff that you wouldn't normally
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see in the coach's contracts. And I think that's where
some of the gray areas created, you know, and then
I think, you know, for for Hugh, the frustration was Okay,
I agreed to being part of this plan, but then
when the plan went into action, it didn't look so
good for him. And I think like the one piece
of it that really might be kind of the flashpoint
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was Mitch Schwartz. And um, you know, he was a
free agent when he first got there in six and
they let him go because they determined that the cop
pick was more important to them, or was more valuable
to them. Um. You know when you when you when
you compared against the cap space, they were going to
have to a lot towards Mitt Schwartz. Well that sounds
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great on paper, but if you're Hugh Jackson, now you
don't have a right tackle. That's a problem. You know.
So like I think that that's where some of that
stuff came into play, and it's like, well, what are
you asking me to do here? Um? And so I
think it's a fascinating case. It was an unusual contract, um,
And you know, I think, you know, you could certainly
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look at that contract a couple of different ways, and
one of those ways, without question, would be you're basically
asking me to coach right now for nineteen and you're
asking me to build a draft capital and it's which
means you're basically more or less telling me to lose. Oh.
I thought this was a really interesting draft for simple
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fact that people had to do their jobs this year.
There there were no there were no easy prospects to
just say this guy belongs in this slot. And if
you think otherwise, it's more of a debate to prove
why they don't belong in that slot versus why they do.
And and so, looking at how the draft went this year,
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who do you think was the biggest winner from your
takeaway from this year? You're trying to say there was
no LaVar Arrington. Yeah, I don't know about Courtney Brown.
Yeah you know, Um yeah, there are a couple of
teams I think did really well. Um. I love what
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the Chiefs did. You know the Chiefs, you know they're
bringing in guys at premium positions. Um. And I think
Brett Beach has done a really nice job the last
couple of years acknowledging that we're gonna have to build
differently around a quarterback has got a huge contract, and
so they built up some draft capital and you know,
I I love that they go and get a couple
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of guys that are going to have a shot at
premium positions in Trent McDuffie at corner and George carl
Office at defensive end. Um. And then they get Scott Moore,
who I think a nice piece for their offense. In
the second round. I think the and the Eagles did
a really nice job to maintain the amount of capital
they've had and they will have going forward next year,
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and still wind up with an A. J. Brown to
get Jordan Davis, who I think they're a difference maker
on their defensive front. I think they did really well, um,
you know. And then the Jets. The Jets have taken
a beating over the last few years, but again it's
like you look at it and they're making investments at
premium positions. Um. And you know, I look at a
Sauce Gardener and a Garrett Wilson, and those guys seem
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like low risk propositions for me. Those guys have played
in big games. Those programs that they played for asked
a lot of them, um. And so I think, you know,
you're kind of like hitting it onto the middle of
fairway with those two guys at premium positions, and then
you go and take a swing on a Jermaine Johnson,
who I think a little bit of a riskier a
riskier pick, but you're still kind of, you know, like
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again like investing in a premium position. I know I
keep saying that over and over again, but I think
it's important in today's NFL because that's where so much
of the money's going, you know. And so if you
know you can have a guy in a rookie contract
who's playing at a Pro Bowl level, um in a
position that's getting paid twenty thirty million dollars a year,
that's so valuable. And so I think that that when
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you look at it is what a team like the Chiefs,
what a team like the Jets, what a team like
the Eagles did in this year's draft, Eagles of course
being a little bit different, and that they went and
got one of those big ticket receivers in a J. Brown.
Albert Brier with us here on Fox Sports Radio. Albert,
what were you most wrong about with the draft that
you are that you look back on and go, how
did how did I not see that? Or how was
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I so wrong? The same thing as everybody as the
quarterbacks probably, you know, I mean, I don't know I
had quarterbacks going nineteen twenties, so I didn't have a
quarterback in the top ten. But you know, I certainly thought,
like you know, the top five guys would probably be
gone in the first two rounds or so. Um, and
that didn't happen. You know, we had wanted twenty and
then we had the next four going or the next
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three going in the in the third round, and then
everybody else on Day three. Um. And so I think
that it's it's sort of interesting if you look at
draft history that quarterbacks almost never go in the second round.
I think it's something like thirty eight to twelve over
the twelve years. First round quarterbacks first, the second round quarterbacks.
And the reason why it's pretty logical, you know, if
you look at it, which is, if you think a
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guy is gonna be a long term starter for you
the position, you take him in the first round. If
you don't think the guys a long term starter, well
then you're gonna go get a guy who you think
can be a long term starter instead in the second round.
You know, it's a sort of interesting dynamic about a quarterback.
What to me is so interesting about where all these
quarterbacks went though. You guys know the four quarterbacks who
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went in the first two days, right, So that's Um,
That's Kenny Pickett, Malik Um, Desmond Dosmond, Ritter Mcarrel, those
four guys, right, all four of those guys are going
into quarterback rooms that have former top ten picks in
the in the room with them. It's Ryan Tannehill in Tennessee,
It's Mitch Robinsky and Pittsburgh, It's Marcus Mariota in UM
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in Atlanta, and then of course Sam Donald and Carolina.
And you know what's so interesting about this, We've heard
about the talent with the physical talent one of these guys, right,
I'm gonna be interested to see because this was something
that was talked a lot about. We've talked about a
lot during the draft in regards to Carolina. Do these
guys walk in the room, And a lot of times
when you have a rookie quarterback going, he's the most
talented guy in the room when these guys walk in
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those rooms. So those guys gonna be the most talented guys,
you know, I think that that's gonna be sort of
a real tell that we're gonna be able to kind
of ascertain over the next few weeks on where this
quarterback class really stands versus the rust of the NFL,
because I do think that most of the league was
down on the quarterback class over the last couple of months,
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and I think that obviously manifested itself over Draft weekend.
It's Albert Brier. Get him on Twitter at Albert Brier.
He's the senior NFL reporter at the mm QB kind
enough to spend you know, morning with us on what
is a huge day for him. Sinco to Mayo here
on a Thursday at Albert Enjoy Albert big celebration tonight.
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You guys getting after it too, you know us. Yeah,
the the the one am wake up calls that really
leads to a lot of fun nights during the week.
But Albert awesome stuff. Will do it again next week. Man,
all right, thank you. Be sure to catch live editions
of Two Pros and a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn,
LaVar Errington and Jonas Knocks week days at six am
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to Mayo to you and yours. Uh. You know, just
stay hydrated and get after a little bit here, you know,
mixing of water and between your drinks, That's what I
would recommend there. I've been drinking a lot of water
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this morning, preparing. No, just drinking a lot of water.
You're servasa guy. It's gotta be nice. Gotta lose this belly, man,
it's starting to go away. Yeah, it is nice. See.
The problem is you you embellish on the belly, like
you make it seem like it's oh no, it's really bad.
(28:26):
I don't. I mean it's not. It's really bad, bro,
because of one picture. It's really bad. It was a
bad angle. Yes, and I'll be honest with you too.
LaVar horizontal stripes there's like that optical illusion with it.
You got to go up and down vertical. Yeah, vertical
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is more slimming. Vito is hating, but Vito was eating
chili freedom. I'm snitching who was eating chili Friedo's for
breakfast yesterday? So you know what, you can hate all
you want, Like misery enjoys company. I will not continue
to live in the chili fridos for breakfast uh community anymore.
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Oh listen, Lee is ventured over to that vending machine
I've seen at random times on the morning. Uh, And
there's nothing good in that vending machine, Lee, Like it's
one of those old school like you need change for Yeah,
there's nothing Goodly there's dust on the wrappers and things
in those machines something like that. Yeah, Like what do
you think's in the cheese that going to the middle
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of those crackers? Like, like nothing nothing good, especially at
four in the morning, speaking of eating food. So when
I went out, I don't know, there's there's probably dog
lovers out there that listen to our show. I went
went out to to our normal um menatrists went to
our normal um breakfast spot, and two Irish wolfhounds came up.
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Um and they were white. Those are big dogs. I
believe they're they're the biggest. Thank you they are. They
were white. Let me let me tell you dogs. I've
only seen gray ones. I've seen like three or four
gray ones in my entire life. But these were two
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white ones. So every time a dog would come walking by,
the one was so strong it would pull the man
up out of his seat and dragged him over to
where the dog was. At one point, it drugged him
so bad that he knocked over a seat that was
at the table we were sitting at. He knocked the
seat over from the dog dragging him into the seat.
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I said, I said, very calmly and quietly, under my
my you know, my under voice, you probably need to
train that dog. And just just you know, just just
one person thinking out loud, you you might be best
served being out in public with a dog that big
and that powerful and that capable. Um, you might want
(31:01):
to have him trained. And uh and there, uh it's
an Irish wolf. Pound pounds they were. It's the minimum.
They they're they're so big that when you look at them,
you almost feel like there might be a person inside
of them manning it. Jesus I'm looking at pictures right now.
I didn't know they were this big. I think it's
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the last last time I saw one was in Ireland
and I think they were laying on the ground and
I remember looking at it going, ohle my, like, I
haven't seen anything like that out of a zou lets
You break into the castle walls and and three or
four of them come running after you. You just call
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it a day, man. So they're just laying around out there,
just hanging out, just kind of monitoring us in place.
The place we were at it was I don't know
if it was like one of the owners or like
who's Irish wolf founds they were, but they were they
were really dirty, which like I'd love to go pet him,
but that's a damn big dog. And I'm just gonna
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say they look like they've been out in the mud
all day, So I'm gonna use as an excuse a
little bit. They can they can they can't. They can
jack up a wolf. That's why they're called a wolf.
My god man. They I believe like their breed was
there for protecting against wolves and then like hunting wolves.
You know, the one movie that stands out to me
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the most was Warrior, well, the thirteenth Warrior when when
bull bull I had got hit with with this poisonous
bull v fighting low mother Low. Do I hear the
(32:47):
voice of my father and my sisters and my brothers too,
when he started reciting that gosh darn uh that norseman uh,
that norseman prayer bro. And he was sitting there on
the throne and and and the dudes was coming in.
There's about to fight them to protect the village. He
was sitting there with his dog. Him and his dog
was sitting there. Man, It's one of the dopest scenes
(33:08):
I've ever seen in the movie. Man, like makes the
hair stand up on I. I do believe. I used
to watch it the scene before games, like, you know,
like I'm about to go to war and bull vo
I actually name one of my bulldogs bull voy. Yeah.
I'm a dog enthusiast. Yeah yeah, bull vo I put
up look it up. I was once. Yeah the boss
(33:30):
hog got up out of here on society and I've
had enough. Isn't that the dude from isn't that the
lion from Uh? Isn't that the lion from Dorothy's Deal? What?
What is that? The Wizard of Oss. Yeah. I haven't
seen that movie in quite a while. Oh it's been
digitally remastered. Yeah. Is it good? Now? Is it so bad?
(33:53):
I mean it's a it's an entertaining movie. Um can
I gonna recap? Yeah? The end of the Yeah, well,
I mean thankfully what the Northern Brave over the Munster Red?
Now I cricket cricket? Yeah, it's uh so, I I
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misspoke um in reading what was sent to me. Now
this is not my fault. This is what fell out
of the guy. Um now I called it. I thought
it was Irish cricket. It is not. It is Swedish cricket.
Um so. But you can clearly see how I would
confuse the two written down on a piece of paper
that fell Are you not going to what? Are you
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not going to? Hit it? And that had nothing to
do with people mix up Irish and Swedes. What's what's
the difference between the two sports? What do you mean
what it's cree? They're both, it's both cricket. It's uh
it's one Irish cricket, Northern Brave and the Munster Red. Yeah,
so why do they need to differentiate because they're two
(34:59):
different legs that country. I mean, listen, they're in two
different locations. I just wanted people to you know, know
where they can fall along with the Northern Brave as
they try and beat the monster Reds according to Live
at Jesus. And you know, here's the thing. If he
does lose this bet um on a technicality, I don't
know that we counted as loss right because I read
it wrong. But if he wins it, you read it
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so you read it incorrectly, so that Live bet Jesus
could either be correct or a technicality technicality UM not
be held accountable for the laws potentially, and anybody who
gambles knows the technicality way to protect us. I'm just
out there trying to trying to make people are trying
to make some money here on a Sinco to Mayo.
They got to be able to uh you know, there's
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some probably some beer specials. They want to be able
to have that bucko on extra way you know later
on um. Now, let me ask you guys, this is
this a big deal or no deal at all? Because
it does feel like there's more of a groundswell of
support for It's almost like people are opening up their
eyes to conversations we were having months ago here on
the show, when everyone was celebrating name image, likeness and
(36:05):
all the good things it's going to do for players,
It's like, well, there could be some pitfalls, Like there
could be some problems with this moving forward. And this
came out late on Wednesday night that the commissioners for
the SEC and the Pack twelve are going to be
meeting with United States Senators in Washington coming up later
on today because they're looking for help surrounding the name,
(36:28):
image and likeness policies. So, yeah, that bad timing to
meet about an issue in her cards to college football
where we've got uh, other concerns around Roe v Way
and some other things going on. As a pity you're saying,
is that Yeah, that one You've got a said it
that's divided and uh, you know, there's a little filibus
(36:51):
to process. I'm not gonna get into like the whole
totally politics of the matter, but I just with mid
terms coming up, I don't know any I I don't
know any senator, any congressmen. Just to put it very bluntly,
that's that's gonna go out and talk about this as
a major area of concern. There's inflation, there's our economy,
(37:14):
there's there's this Supreme you know court ruling. Uh, and
then if that ends up going through it's it's then
gonna go to the States and that will be an
issue that people are gonna want to talk about, are
already talking about. It's not It's just it's not something
that I think Congress is gonna come in and save.
You know what, our pact twelve commissioners, whether it's or
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you know, conference commissioners, excuse me, are looking for someone
to come in and save them. Like you're gonna have
to do it yourselves. You're going to have to do
exactly what Jeane Smith, the Athletic directed Ohio States said
yesterday that this is gonna be a solution decided by
the College Football Playoff Committee. They need that group to
have college football breakaway from the n c a A
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and form their own rules, their own guidelines, and move
forward and then let the n c A take basketball
and the other Olympic sports and continue with their model
and what they have going on. Because the reality is
the n c a A is incentivized to do so.
They don't make money off football. People don't seem to
understand this, and I work with people who don't understand this,
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and they'll say it on live air. The n c
a A has taken a step out of this because
they don't want to be sued. They don't want to
put themselves in any legal harm, and it's not worth
it because they don't make any money off of it. Now.
The n c A March Madness and basketball different story,
Like that's their cash cow, so that's where if they're
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gonna do anything, they want to be cognizant of of
that and how it's all impacted by it. But basketball
has got a different model anyway. You're already seeing kids
who skip even one year in college basketball to go
to play in the G League, to go play overseas
and then come back and get drafted. You know, you're
already starting to see that take place. So it's not
as big of an issue in college basketball as it
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is right now in college football with n i L
and the transfer port and all these things. So I
think it's gonna be something there. Literally the Power Five
and really all all conferences within FBS, they're gonna have
to get together and figure this thing out. I just
I don't foresee Congress wanting to make this a priority
with everything else that we have going on in our country.
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Right now, it's two pros and a cup of Joe
here on Fox Sports trading. It just it makes me
wonder why was there such a rush to get an
i L done when it was done before people even
looked further down the road to get until states passed
the law. That's the difference is once the law was passed,
then it was okay, how are we going to respond
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to react to it? And the n c A out
of concern of being you know, sued, basically was like, uh,
we don't know how to handle this, and and we're
just gonna we never had to alright, just o Ben
and we hate your So it's like they got overtaken,
uh you know, and they's just like, you know, I
(40:04):
just open the doors, let them in. There's nothing case
as much as it was Obann and the Allston case
actually was just as revolutionary for this, you know taking place.
But you know, it's it's the whole thing. It's like there, yeah,
no one wants to get sued. Okay, Well, let's just
let the free markets kind of figure themselves out. And
let the states figure out how they want to handle this.
And that's the other part is some states the laws
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vary or differ, and then universities, even within certain conferences,
are viewing n i L differently than others. I mean,
I think we can all think of one school in
the PAC twelve that's viewing an i L very different
than everyone else in the PAC twal talk about Oregon State.
Uh yeah, here's the Uh, this is the best part
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about all this. At the time when Dabbo Swinney and
some others came out and kind and when they came
out and they said, hey, this going to create some problems.
There's gonna be some issues down the road. Everybody shouted
from the mountaintops. Oh, it's a hater because it's gonna
even the playing field, that's why. And now we're here,
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that's fine. But but I think amongst the ones who
had the playing field, but I think more and more,
I think I think more and more people are starting
to realize, you know, maybe they were onto something. Maybe
we should have thought this thing through. There's gonna be
some issues as this thing progresses. And we're not even
a we're not even a year into this right. I mean,
it's just the end of amateurism in college sports, and
(41:34):
they're going to have to address it as such. There's
no way to college football. Y yeah, yeah, college football.
There's no way to avoid it. At this point. You're
going to have to start treating them as employees. The
interesting thing about what you just said is that was
what at least from the words of the pactual Commissioner
and the SEC and Greg Sanky is there and they
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were kind of talking about we're trying to stay away
from that model, not making them employees. But you know,
I'm gonna be honest with you, I don't really see
a path forward without that being the case unless you're
gonna try to put the toothpaste back in the tube
with N I L. And that's not gonna happen. Because
that's that's fair and it's justified. It should have been
the case for a while now. It's just unfortunately we
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don't have a governing body in the n c A
that wants to do anything about it. So again, College
Football Playoff is going to have to figure this out.
The the ten you know, conference FBF FBS conferences are
going to have to figure this out. Amongst that group,
maybe just the Power five, right, it is going to
have to be the group. I don't necessarily know who
those parties are, but the n i L is not
(42:38):
going back or going away. I think you're gonna see
rules that curtail the ability to induce players in high
school or in the transfer portal. And that's really what
the focus is right now, because they don't want tampering
like that's That's the one thing that I think, and
I keep trying to harp on this because I truly
believe this is when these kids keep jumping around, we're
(42:58):
setting them up to fail in the future. And they
might be able to get some money out of it
every time they jump around, but ultimately football is not
gonna last forever, and they're not gonna have anything to
stand on when it's all said and done if they
don't have a university to get a degree from any
sort of foundation of education. I mean, that's just at
least how I feel about it. I Mean, the good
thing is at least Mark Emmert at the n c
(43:19):
A president is going to stick this thing out. You know,
he's going to see it through it at the end.
But why would he he's how he got here, like
he should have stepped down sooner. I'm not gleating this up.
By the way, when he steps down, how many people
have you heard it is? It's like the uh, what's
(43:42):
the the replay, the official that what was the position
that you had? Here's what it's like. It's like a
realtor coming up to you, like looking at a house
that's burning on fire with the four sales side in
the front yard. Hey, do you want to buy it?
You guys? You guys want to move in tomorrow? How
you feeling about it? Like? It doesn't show it now,
but I swear to God, there's a back patio you
(44:05):
that you would die for. This is this is the
property for you that the whole thing is is just comical.
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happy Sinco to maya happy drink o big time. Yeah,
(00:23):
that's what they call it in some places, man Cinco
Day drinko. Take everyone back? Can I take everyone back
a few years? Please do? When it just so happened
that sinking of my fill on a Sunday, and as
I was working with the one Jonas Knocks, it was
explained to me LaVar that this is the most overrated
(00:44):
holiday in the Mexican culture that there is, so Jonas proclaimed.
And even though I was trying to celebrate it. I
was trying to say, hey, this is a big day.
We should go out and grab some drinks. He said, no,
no, no no, no, no, Um, you're just you're folling for
the trap. So what's the trap? He said, It's like
a Hallmark holiday. Uh, he goes, this is not a
(01:04):
real holiday. He goes, No one celebrates it. Don't buy
into the hype. Yeah, it's a whitewash Mexican Fourth of
July and people are so dumb They don't realize that's
September six is actually the correct fourth of July. Burn.
Oh hey, I'm spitting facts here. Viva ladrasa man spitting facts.
Bernough so so Jonas marries respect a woman from the
(01:29):
Mexican background, Jalisco and is now an authority on Mexican
culture and I but my thing is, isn't this still
though it's not. Everyone thinks it's like a Mexican Independence Day,
but isn't about the victory over France? Well I think
that over Yeah, but Mexico lost, didn't they didn't they
(01:50):
lose this one? Okay? Well, okay, well there was there's
like an element to it to where they lose the
Alamo by the way, only us. Didn't they lose this one?
Like why would you sell them lost? Well? No, because
I mean they still cover the spread. I mean I
had you know, I may had a wager on that
years ago. I'm just saying. I'm just saying that this
(02:17):
is a very whitewashed holiday. But it is an excuse
to drink, Like, well, there's a lot of people that
aren't Irish to celebrate St. Patrick's Day. It's any excuse
to drink. I heard it should be called Cinco gringo,
is what I heard. It was, really, that's what I
heard yesterday. Somebody told me, you know, and I would
have never heard that unless I lived in Glenn Door.
(02:38):
But I did hear that in in West Covina actually
yesterday that it's called Is that that's accurate sinco gringo.
You know what, although they do play it up because
you know, every big boxing event featuring a Mexican fighter
is always around Cinco, like Canello. Canelo's fighting in this weekend,
(02:59):
I didn't was always a Marquez fight or an Oscar
dal Lahoya fight. But no, it's a true like that.
That's that's a true trying to say. I'm just you know,
the impression it is played up until it as well too.
Um hard right hand by Arrington left up to the
hard right hand and another right hand. Let's go out
(03:21):
another right hand. Did you feel you were aggressive enough
early on or did you not show enough until the
round was nearly over that toast at the end? Yeah,
(03:49):
I thought Errington came out aggressive early on in the
first round. He landed a bunch of body shots, but
he started to slow down towards the end. Still, I
thought he did enough damage there to do to win
the round there. I gave it ten nine to Arrington.
I got a thirty Arrington after three. Jim. That's Letterman, right, man.
I miss HBO boxing like to my core like that,
(04:09):
like Larry Merchant at the end of the fights was
the most condescending, but it was the best, right because
he irritated everyone and Mayweather got into it. I'm not
too old to kick your ass's right. That was back
in the day. Man. Now somebody want to taken that wrong.
(04:30):
You know that would have been spunning a diner. Well,
your boy be he fights back these days though, Like
he really does have like really good comeback. So who's
who's the guy that does him? Now? Oh? What's his name? Oh? Man,
I can see his face and I could see his
face in my head. But anyways, yeah, but you know
I'm talking about I think so he's tall, he slam,
(04:53):
he does basketball, he's done basketball. I can't remember his
name off the top. He pretty famous too, but you know, okay,
but happy since go to Mayo. Everybody get it's Cranco
to Mayo. Everybody get after a little bit and enjoy
your you know, overpriced at chips and saw some whatever
(05:13):
they can do to try and get you to spend
a bunch of money. So there's that. Do you guys
want to do it? Are you guys want to do it? No? Thursday,
I gotta be ready for the show tomorrow. Hashtag built
for this. I gotta fly out of here tomorrow. Yeah
that's right. Yeah, yeah. When you step off the plane,
(05:38):
do people know he's one of us, Like he's from
p A. I've never been to Scranton, so I don't know.
It'll be interesting to see. I just keep hearing the
theme song of of of the Office of Dundon Muffler.
What's it called? Whatever? I don't even know. But again,
you know, go see some of my minor league hockey.
(05:59):
But the Penser in the playoffs, you know, I mean,
you know, find it, find a sports bar, watch the
Pen's play about it. Yeah, could go to Mary Margarite,
Town Town, Scranton, Margarite. We were we were reminiscing to
your judgmental tone on top Golf, the conversation that we
(06:21):
did have a show conversation about the top Golf conversation
that is true. Once he walked into a bus au
and she she had no ideas. She had started a
conversation with Savage how An Island about this. This is
why I don't know you worked on an Alid. It
was just the fact that you drove the point home
like you drove it twenty times. And I mean you
(06:45):
you put every single nail in that coffee. I'll put
it this way. Someone had to. Someone had to. It
is it is Brady Quinn to a t that in
the middle of a show, just so, I mean, just
the topic about Top Golf. I mean, it's like not
even that big of a deal. He's looking up Top
(07:07):
golf e so he can break out the switchblade to
win a fight on the air game breakdown of where
how many the times they're open? Like But but it's
I mean, to to Brady's credit. I mean he did
get you on on Margarita Ville. I mean it's the
(07:28):
same exact thing he broke it down for you. I
did go through their locations, you did plenty you. My
thing is, it's just if you're going to go to Vegas,
and I think for those of us that have been
there and had a great time there, you kind of
covet that experience. You've made some great memories there. Maybe
there's some things you'd like to leave there that came
(07:49):
back with you. I don't know, but I digress. The
point is, and you get involved in Vegas and how
special it is and the different things you can do there.
You don't go there to do something you could do
anywhere else. Like, it's not like your experience at the
top golf in Vegas is gonna be any different than
(08:10):
your experience at the top golf in southern California, in
South Florida, in any other part of the country. It's
the same thing, all right, these big next everyone gets
a golf club, you got food and booze and stuff,
and you're hitting golf balls out into a range. It's
it's there's no difference. There is no difference turning on
(08:32):
where you going to play top golf around the entire
country or world for that matter. But she was so
excited to offer it up for us to go do it.
And by the way, Lee to lap. The second we
walked into MGM last week. Lee walks in and he
sees the little like kiosk or desk area where they're
selling top golf passes. And you would have thought you
(08:55):
would have thought It was a stripper who had a
sign that said I'm here for Lee, And I mean
he couldn't get over there fast enough. That's true. Oh,
I wanted to go up to the room. Was like, hey,
let's check our stuff. No no, no, Lee had to
make sure you don't neet room together. No no, no no,
no no, you could go to the room. Let's go
to the room, to the room that was no soldiers
(09:19):
left behind. Man when you travel and it was your
own room, you got there safe. To two guys, one
king bit. The new name of the show, Ye name
of the show. Two guys, one king Bit. I'll be honest,
(09:41):
it'd be one thing if you guys just dry humping guys,
something very strongly about my love of balls that room
one king bit round sneak around the conversation. Love hard
to spit everywhere? What are you a camel? What happened here?
(10:02):
He's literally there's water everywhere in the studio. Now Is
that what you were saying to Lee? He shook out proudly.
Is Lis send it back so proud like, Yeah, that's
(10:25):
what he said, Lee? What are you a camel? Sure?
Spinning things everywhere? Yeah, there's water everywhere? Now, everywhere you
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him on Twitter at Albert Brier. Albert first and foremost
happy Sinco to Mayo, to you and yours every you
(11:08):
guys too. Yeah, how are you gonna be celebrating Albert? Yeah? Yeah,
huge plans. I've got uh youthful cross practice this afternoon.
I'm gonna make sure my other one gets off to soccer.
So yeah, it's gonna be awesome, big time, big time.
Sounds like you're really excited about guy, um, Albert. So
(11:30):
the draft is in the books. What is the next
big move in the NFL? The next big transaction? We
should be on the pickout for what do we got?
You know, there are still some free agents out there,
and I think you know, getting past that marker there
um on May second where signings don't count against the
contensatory pick formula. Is actually a bigger deal than most
(11:53):
fans realize. And I won't get into the weeds of it,
but you know, teams like the Rams and the Ravens
and the Patriots really worth the game that formula. And
so you know, like I think you'll see some teams
that weren't active earlier in the off season maybe get
a little bit more active now. UM and looking at guys,
and a lot of them are third contract guys, guys
like Odell Beckham and Jarvis Landry and Jadevian Clowney. UM.
(12:17):
So I think that's one thing to keep an eye on, um,
you know. And then I think the other thing is,
of course, what happens with the quarterbacks um and and
Jimmy Garoppolo, Baker Mayfield, And I guess now you can
throw Nick Foles into the group and that UM, you know,
I don't think we have a firm grasp yet on
where those three are gonna play in two And you know,
(12:39):
you still have a couple of places like Carolina, like
Seattle that could be looking for another body to bring
in there and compete. UM. Once you get the training camp.
Baker Mayfield, Baker Mayfield, Baker Mayfield, what's the update with him,
what's going to happen with him? Um? Obviously Kevin Stefanski
has had to talk about the quarterback situation, didn't really
(13:01):
include Mayfield. Any chance this gets wrapped up here anytime soon?
You know, I think a lot of it's gonna boil
down to how much of the money the Browns are
willing to swallow, you know. And obviously they already uh,
you know, handed an enormous contract to Deshaun Watson, um,
and so you know, do they want to invest ten
(13:25):
million dollars, twelve million dollars, fourteen million dollars and facilitating
a trade for Baker Mayfield, at which point, Brady, they
would really just be buying a draft pick, you know, um,
because you know you can cut him. But if you
cut him, you're on the hook for the eighteen point
eight million dollars. And oh, by the way, you can't
control with destination, you know, here you go sound the
(13:45):
Steelers tomorrow if they did that. And so, you know,
I think a lot of this is gonna boil down
to how much of Baker Mayfield's money or the Browns
willing to take on and the trouble they have now
is because the juncture we're at in the off season. Um,
most teams have a lot of their cap and cash budget, um,
you know, kind of maxed out for for the off season,
(14:09):
and you know a lot of teams have their quarterback
depth charts filled out for the off season. And so,
you know, I think, absent an injury, this is probably
going to come down to the Browns maybe giving Baker
may feel permission to go and seek a trade, which
you know, I think it's a piece of the equation,
finding a place where maybe he can go and compete,
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you know. And then I think the next piece of
it has definitely got to be, you know, how much
of the money are they willing to take on because
without a starting a clear starting job out there, um,
I don't think anybody's willing to pay that eight team
point a million dollars for Baker. Oh, it seems like
Deebo Samuel's is back in on San Francisco. Do you
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have any information that that hasn't become maybe evident or
or in the media just yet that may have dictated
why that is. Yeah, Well, I can just tell you
they've been working hard on it, you know, and I think, um,
you know, the relationship building part of this was big,
and I you know, I can tell you just talking
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to Niners people over the last month, it's been sort
of like a third rail thing for them, you know,
like they don't want to talk publicly about it. They
don't even want to really talk privately about it much
because they want to you know, kind of treat them
situation in the player with respect, um, you know. And
so I know that they've worked really hard to try
(15:30):
to get Debo back in the fold, and I think
respecting the fact that maybe this really wasn't about money, um,
that this was more about role. Now there's money help,
you know. I I don't think anybody be naive to
think that, you know, a contracted million dollars a year
or whatever it might wind up being, wouldn't help solve
the problem. But you know, I do think Debo and
(15:53):
his camp have been forth right and that like a
lot of this does come down to Roll and his
longevity and how he sees himself as a player, and
that's all stuff they've got to work out, you know. Um.
I mean, you guys know this watching him, and you
guys know what you're looking at when you're watching football
way more than I do. Um, this wasn't a receiver
who was you know, being out there on end of
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rounds and jet sweets and that sort of stuff. Last
I mean, he was playing like I formation tailback, you know,
And so you know, I think resolving how he's used
going forward is a big piece of this, and I
know that that's something that they've been working on. Albert
Brier a senior NFL reporter at the MMQB. You can
get him on Twitter at Albert Brier. Joining us this
(16:33):
morning on Fox Sports Radio. UM. Speaking of the Niners,
John Lynch, when he talks about Jimmy Garopplo and specifically
his decision to have the surgery when he did after
the season, seems like he's a little bit frustrated just
with the timing of the surgery. Um. Is that what
you gather in talking to people that there may be
a little bit bothered by Jimmy's decision to have the
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surgery when he did. Yeah, I mean I think that
that like six week lag has turned to be a
big deal. You know. I I think if you if
you really look at it, and um, you know, I
think what Jimmy's camp would tell you to be fair
to Jimmy is that, like you know, it just sort
of was a pain thing and they thought it would
subside and um, they thought that they could kind of
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work through it, which just rehab and obviously this is
gonna be a critical year for his career. Um, And
they tried and it didn't work, you know. And so
when you lose that, you know, your five six weeks,
what difference does that make? Well, you know, if Jimmy,
if you had that five six weeks back, maybe Jimmy's
coming close to throwing right now. And if he's coming
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close to throwing right now, well maybe they have an
opportunity to trade him before the draft. As it is,
he's got, you know, a year left on his contract,
so if you're trading for him, you're trading for him
for two and that's it. And if you're just looking
at him within the context of this year alone, and
he can't throw yet, um, and he's not gonna be
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able to throw until the end of June beginning of July,
and now you're looking at it and you're saying to yourself, well,
we have to trust that he's gonna be able to
throw then, and then we have to trust. He's getting
ready to go by September, and everybody thinks he's gonna
be okay, but you don't know he's gonna be okay.
And again you're just buying him for this year alone. God,
that's tricky, you know, And so I think that's where
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some of the frustration might have come from. You know,
at one point, was like, if they take care of
this right after the season, because everybody knew it could
be an issue, maybe the timeline looks different and Jimmy
is at or close to full health, you know, right
at when the draft is happening, and then the Niners
can move him off the roster for draft picks, Jimmy
can be a starter somewhere else, and everybody walks away happy. Albert.
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I want to go back to the Cleveland brown situation.
We've seen some news this past week of Hugh Jackson's
claims that the Browns tried to incentivize him to tank. Now,
those reports were found to be unsubstantiated, but it does
seem like there's some smoke there, or at least based
on the way they went about trying to build up
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cap space and all of that to really make a
run moreen as opposed to what do you kind of
clean from some of the tea leaves that have come
out from all of it. You know, I first of all,
I think the guys that did the report for reporting
for us, you know, over the last couple of months,
you know, Conn Roar and Gary Grammling did a nice
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job and kind of laying it out. And I encourage
anybody to go check out the story. I think what's
interesting about it, Brady is up like if you look
at the contract, Yeah, you like that free stories, right,
I But I, I, uh, you know, I think like
if you look at the content, I think if you
guys actually got ahold of the contract, you'd be fascinated
by it because it really does look like a baseball
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contract and the way that a lot of the things
are set up, and it looks like analytics came into
play with everything, you know, and so much of it
was based on like this like long term plan, this
four year plan, and how kind of you know, like
draft capital played into it, and how cap space played
into it and all this stuff that you wouldn't normally
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see in the coach's contracts. And I think that's where
some of the gray areas created, you know, and then
I think, you know, for for Hugh, the frustration was Okay,
I agreed to being part of this plan, but then
when the plan went into action, it didn't look so
good for him. And I think like the one piece
of it that really might be kind of the flashpoint
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was Mitch Schwartz. And um, you know, he was a
free agent when he first got there in six and
they let him go because they determined that the cop
pick was more important to them, or was more valuable
to them. Um. You know when you when you when
you compared against the cap space, they were going to
have to a lot towards Mitt Schwartz. Well that sounds
(20:50):
great on paper, but if you're Hugh Jackson, now you
don't have a right tackle. That's a problem. You know.
So like I think that that's where some of that
stuff came into play, and it's like, well, what are
you asking me to do here? Um? And so I
think it's a fascinating case. It was an unusual contract, um,
And you know, I think, you know, you could certainly
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look at that contract a couple of different ways, and
one of those ways, without question, would be you're basically
asking me to coach right now for nineteen and you're
asking me to build a draft capital and it's which
means you're basically more or less telling me to lose. Oh.
I thought this was a really interesting draft for simple
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fact that people had to do their jobs this year.
There there were no there were no easy prospects to
just say this guy belongs in this slot. And if
you think otherwise, it's more of a debate to prove
why they don't belong in that slot versus why they do.
And and so, looking at how the draft went this year,
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who do you think was the biggest winner from your
takeaway from this year? You're trying to say there was
no LaVar Arrington. Yeah, I don't know about Courtney Brown.
Yeah you know, Um yeah, there are a couple of
teams I think did really well. Um. I love what
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the Chiefs did. You know the Chiefs, you know they're
bringing in guys at premium positions. Um. And I think
Brett Beach has done a really nice job the last
couple of years acknowledging that we're gonna have to build
differently around a quarterback has got a huge contract, and
so they built up some draft capital and you know,
I I love that they go and get a couple
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of guys that are going to have a shot at
premium positions in Trent McDuffie at corner and George carl
Office at defensive end. Um. And then they get Scott Moore,
who I think a nice piece for their offense. In
the second round. I think the and the Eagles did
a really nice job to maintain the amount of capital
they've had and they will have going forward next year,
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and still wind up with an A. J. Brown to
get Jordan Davis, who I think they're a difference maker
on their defensive front. I think they did really well, um,
you know. And then the Jets. The Jets have taken
a beating over the last few years, but again it's
like you look at it and they're making investments at
premium positions. Um. And you know, I look at a
Sauce Gardener and a Garrett Wilson, and those guys seem
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like low risk propositions for me. Those guys have played
in big games. Those programs that they played for asked
a lot of them, um. And so I think, you know,
you're kind of like hitting it onto the middle of
fairway with those two guys at premium positions, and then
you go and take a swing on a Jermaine Johnson,
who I think a little bit of a riskier a
riskier pick, but you're still kind of, you know, like
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again like investing in a premium position. I know I
keep saying that over and over again, but I think
it's important in today's NFL because that's where so much
of the money's going, you know. And so if you
know you can have a guy in a rookie contract
who's playing at a Pro Bowl level, um in a
position that's getting paid twenty thirty million dollars a year,
that's so valuable. And so I think that that when
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you look at it is what a team like the Chiefs,
what a team like the Jets, what a team like
the Eagles did in this year's draft, Eagles of course
being a little bit different, and that they went and
got one of those big ticket receivers in a J. Brown.
Albert Brier with us here on Fox Sports Radio. Albert,
what were you most wrong about with the draft that
you are that you look back on and go, how
did how did I not see that? Or how was
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I so wrong? The same thing as everybody as the
quarterbacks probably, you know, I mean, I don't know I
had quarterbacks going nineteen twenties, so I didn't have a
quarterback in the top ten. But you know, I certainly thought,
like you know, the top five guys would probably be
gone in the first two rounds or so. Um, and
that didn't happen. You know, we had wanted twenty and
then we had the next four going or the next
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three going in the in the third round, and then
everybody else on Day three. Um. And so I think
that it's it's sort of interesting if you look at
draft history that quarterbacks almost never go in the second round.
I think it's something like thirty eight to twelve over
the twelve years. First round quarterbacks first, the second round quarterbacks.
And the reason why it's pretty logical, you know, if
you look at it, which is, if you think a
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guy is gonna be a long term starter for you
the position, you take him in the first round. If
you don't think the guys a long term starter, well
then you're gonna go get a guy who you think
can be a long term starter instead in the second round.
You know, it's a sort of interesting dynamic about a quarterback.
What to me is so interesting about where all these
quarterbacks went though. You guys know the four quarterbacks who
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went in the first two days, right, So that's Um,
That's Kenny Pickett, Malik Um, Desmond Dosmond, Ritter Mcarrel, those
four guys, right, all four of those guys are going
into quarterback rooms that have former top ten picks in
the in the room with them. It's Ryan Tannehill in Tennessee,
It's Mitch Robinsky and Pittsburgh, It's Marcus Mariota in UM
(25:53):
in Atlanta, and then of course Sam Donald and Carolina.
And you know what's so interesting about this, We've heard
about the talent with the physical talent one of these guys, right,
I'm gonna be interested to see because this was something
that was talked a lot about. We've talked about a
lot during the draft in regards to Carolina. Do these
guys walk in the room, And a lot of times
when you have a rookie quarterback going, he's the most
talented guy in the room when these guys walk in
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those rooms. So those guys gonna be the most talented guys,
you know, I think that that's gonna be sort of
a real tell that we're gonna be able to kind
of ascertain over the next few weeks on where this
quarterback class really stands versus the rust of the NFL,
because I do think that most of the league was
down on the quarterback class over the last couple of months,
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and I think that obviously manifested itself over Draft weekend.
It's Albert Brier. Get him on Twitter at Albert Brier.
He's the senior NFL reporter at the mm QB kind
enough to spend you know, morning with us on what
is a huge day for him. Sinco to Mayo here
on a Thursday at Albert Enjoy Albert big celebration tonight.
(26:58):
You guys getting after it too, you know us. Yeah,
the the the one am wake up calls that really
leads to a lot of fun nights during the week.
But Albert awesome stuff. Will do it again next week. Man,
all right, thank you. Be sure to catch live editions
of Two Pros and a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn,
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(27:19):
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(27:42):
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Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. Happy Sinco
to Mayo to you and yours. Uh. You know, just
stay hydrated and get after a little bit here, you know,
mixing of water and between your drinks, That's what I
would recommend there. I've been drinking a lot of water
(28:03):
this morning, preparing. No, just drinking a lot of water.
You're servasa guy. It's gotta be nice. Gotta lose this belly, man,
it's starting to go away. Yeah, it is nice. See.
The problem is you you embellish on the belly, like
you make it seem like it's oh no, it's really bad.
(28:26):
I don't. I mean it's not. It's really bad, bro,
because of one picture. It's really bad. It was a
bad angle. Yes, and I'll be honest with you too.
LaVar horizontal stripes there's like that optical illusion with it.
You got to go up and down vertical. Yeah, vertical
(28:46):
is more slimming. Vito is hating, but Vito was eating
chili freedom. I'm snitching who was eating chili Friedo's for
breakfast yesterday? So you know what, you can hate all
you want, Like misery enjoys company. I will not continue
to live in the chili fridos for breakfast uh community anymore.
(29:07):
Oh listen, Lee is ventured over to that vending machine
I've seen at random times on the morning. Uh, And
there's nothing good in that vending machine, Lee, Like it's
one of those old school like you need change for Yeah,
there's nothing Goodly there's dust on the wrappers and things
in those machines something like that. Yeah, Like what do
you think's in the cheese that going to the middle
(29:29):
of those crackers? Like, like nothing nothing good, especially at
four in the morning, speaking of eating food. So when
I went out, I don't know, there's there's probably dog
lovers out there that listen to our show. I went
went out to to our normal um menatrists went to
our normal um breakfast spot, and two Irish wolfhounds came up.
(29:54):
Um and they were white. Those are big dogs. I
believe they're they're the biggest. Thank you they are. They
were white. Let me let me tell you dogs. I've
only seen gray ones. I've seen like three or four
gray ones in my entire life. But these were two
(30:14):
white ones. So every time a dog would come walking by,
the one was so strong it would pull the man
up out of his seat and dragged him over to
where the dog was. At one point, it drugged him
so bad that he knocked over a seat that was
at the table we were sitting at. He knocked the
seat over from the dog dragging him into the seat.
(30:37):
I said, I said, very calmly and quietly, under my
my you know, my under voice, you probably need to
train that dog. And just just you know, just just
one person thinking out loud, you you might be best
served being out in public with a dog that big
and that powerful and that capable. Um, you might want
(31:01):
to have him trained. And uh and there, uh it's
an Irish wolf. Pound pounds they were. It's the minimum.
They they're they're so big that when you look at them,
you almost feel like there might be a person inside
of them manning it. Jesus I'm looking at pictures right now.
I didn't know they were this big. I think it's
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the last last time I saw one was in Ireland
and I think they were laying on the ground and
I remember looking at it going, ohle my, like, I
haven't seen anything like that out of a zou lets
You break into the castle walls and and three or
four of them come running after you. You just call
(31:43):
it a day, man. So they're just laying around out there,
just hanging out, just kind of monitoring us in place.
The place we were at it was I don't know
if it was like one of the owners or like
who's Irish wolf founds they were, but they were they
were really dirty, which like I'd love to go pet him,
but that's a damn big dog. And I'm just gonna
(32:04):
say they look like they've been out in the mud
all day, So I'm gonna use as an excuse a
little bit. They can they can they can't. They can
jack up a wolf. That's why they're called a wolf.
My god man. They I believe like their breed was
there for protecting against wolves and then like hunting wolves.
You know, the one movie that stands out to me
(32:24):
the most was Warrior, well, the thirteenth Warrior when when
bull bull I had got hit with with this poisonous
bull v fighting low mother Low. Do I hear the
(32:47):
voice of my father and my sisters and my brothers too,
when he started reciting that gosh darn uh that norseman uh,
that norseman prayer bro. And he was sitting there on
the throne and and and the dudes was coming in.
There's about to fight them to protect the village. He
was sitting there with his dog. Him and his dog
was sitting there. Man, It's one of the dopest scenes
(33:08):
I've ever seen in the movie. Man, like makes the
hair stand up on I. I do believe. I used
to watch it the scene before games, like, you know,
like I'm about to go to war and bull vo
I actually name one of my bulldogs bull voy. Yeah.
I'm a dog enthusiast. Yeah yeah, bull vo I put
up look it up. I was once. Yeah the boss
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hog got up out of here on society and I've
had enough. Isn't that the dude from isn't that the
lion from Uh? Isn't that the lion from Dorothy's Deal? What?
What is that? The Wizard of Oss. Yeah. I haven't
seen that movie in quite a while. Oh it's been
digitally remastered. Yeah. Is it good? Now? Is it so bad?
(33:53):
I mean it's a it's an entertaining movie. Um can
I gonna recap? Yeah? The end of the Yeah, well,
I mean thankfully what the Northern Brave over the Munster Red?
Now I cricket cricket? Yeah, it's uh so, I I
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misspoke um in reading what was sent to me. Now
this is not my fault. This is what fell out
of the guy. Um now I called it. I thought
it was Irish cricket. It is not. It is Swedish cricket.
Um so. But you can clearly see how I would
confuse the two written down on a piece of paper
that fell Are you not going to what? Are you
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not going to? Hit it? And that had nothing to
do with people mix up Irish and Swedes. What's what's
the difference between the two sports? What do you mean
what it's cree? They're both, it's both cricket. It's uh
it's one Irish cricket, Northern Brave and the Munster Red. Yeah,
so why do they need to differentiate because they're two
(34:59):
different legs that country. I mean, listen, they're in two
different locations. I just wanted people to you know, know
where they can fall along with the Northern Brave as
they try and beat the monster Reds according to Live
at Jesus. And you know, here's the thing. If he
does lose this bet um on a technicality, I don't
know that we counted as loss right because I read
it wrong. But if he wins it, you read it
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so you read it incorrectly, so that Live bet Jesus
could either be correct or a technicality technicality UM not
be held accountable for the laws potentially, and anybody who
gambles knows the technicality way to protect us. I'm just
out there trying to trying to make people are trying
to make some money here on a Sinco to Mayo.
They got to be able to uh you know, there's
(35:41):
some probably some beer specials. They want to be able
to have that bucko on extra way you know later
on um. Now, let me ask you guys, this is
this a big deal or no deal at all? Because
it does feel like there's more of a groundswell of
support for It's almost like people are opening up their
eyes to conversations we were having months ago here on
the show, when everyone was celebrating name image, likeness and
(36:05):
all the good things it's going to do for players,
It's like, well, there could be some pitfalls, Like there
could be some problems with this moving forward. And this
came out late on Wednesday night that the commissioners for
the SEC and the Pack twelve are going to be
meeting with United States Senators in Washington coming up later
on today because they're looking for help surrounding the name,
(36:28):
image and likeness policies. So, yeah, that bad timing to
meet about an issue in her cards to college football
where we've got uh, other concerns around Roe v Way
and some other things going on. As a pity you're saying,
is that Yeah, that one You've got a said it
that's divided and uh, you know, there's a little filibus
(36:51):
to process. I'm not gonna get into like the whole
totally politics of the matter, but I just with mid
terms coming up, I don't know any I I don't
know any senator, any congressmen. Just to put it very bluntly,
that's that's gonna go out and talk about this as
a major area of concern. There's inflation, there's our economy,
(37:14):
there's there's this Supreme you know court ruling. Uh, and
then if that ends up going through it's it's then
gonna go to the States and that will be an
issue that people are gonna want to talk about, are
already talking about. It's not It's just it's not something
that I think Congress is gonna come in and save.
You know what, our pact twelve commissioners, whether it's or
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you know, conference commissioners, excuse me, are looking for someone
to come in and save them. Like you're gonna have
to do it yourselves. You're going to have to do
exactly what Jeane Smith, the Athletic directed Ohio States said
yesterday that this is gonna be a solution decided by
the College Football Playoff Committee. They need that group to
have college football breakaway from the n c a A
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and form their own rules, their own guidelines, and move
forward and then let the n c A take basketball
and the other Olympic sports and continue with their model
and what they have going on. Because the reality is
the n c a A is incentivized to do so.
They don't make money off football. People don't seem to
understand this, and I work with people who don't understand this,
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and they'll say it on live air. The n c
a A has taken a step out of this because
they don't want to be sued. They don't want to
put themselves in any legal harm, and it's not worth
it because they don't make any money off of it. Now.
The n c A March Madness and basketball different story,
Like that's their cash cow, so that's where if they're
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gonna do anything, they want to be cognizant of of
that and how it's all impacted by it. But basketball
has got a different model anyway. You're already seeing kids
who skip even one year in college basketball to go
to play in the G League, to go play overseas
and then come back and get drafted. You know, you're
already starting to see that take place. So it's not
as big of an issue in college basketball as it
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is right now in college football with n i L
and the transfer port and all these things. So I
think it's gonna be something there. Literally the Power Five
and really all all conferences within FBS, they're gonna have
to get together and figure this thing out. I just
I don't foresee Congress wanting to make this a priority
with everything else that we have going on in our country.
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Right now, it's two pros and a cup of Joe
here on Fox Sports trading. It just it makes me
wonder why was there such a rush to get an
i L done when it was done before people even
looked further down the road to get until states passed
the law. That's the difference is once the law was passed,
then it was okay, how are we going to respond
(39:43):
to react to it? And the n c A out
of concern of being you know, sued, basically was like, uh,
we don't know how to handle this, and and we're
just gonna we never had to alright, just o Ben
and we hate your So it's like they got overtaken,
uh you know, and they's just like, you know, I
(40:04):
just open the doors, let them in. There's nothing case
as much as it was Obann and the Allston case
actually was just as revolutionary for this, you know taking place.
But you know, it's it's the whole thing. It's like there, yeah,
no one wants to get sued. Okay, Well, let's just
let the free markets kind of figure themselves out. And
let the states figure out how they want to handle this.
And that's the other part is some states the laws
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vary or differ, and then universities, even within certain conferences,
are viewing n i L differently than others. I mean,
I think we can all think of one school in
the PAC twelve that's viewing an i L very different
than everyone else in the PAC twal talk about Oregon State.
Uh yeah, here's the Uh, this is the best part
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about all this. At the time when Dabbo Swinney and
some others came out and kind and when they came
out and they said, hey, this going to create some problems.
There's gonna be some issues down the road. Everybody shouted
from the mountaintops. Oh, it's a hater because it's gonna
even the playing field, that's why. And now we're here,
(41:11):
that's fine. But but I think amongst the ones who
had the playing field, but I think more and more,
I think I think more and more people are starting
to realize, you know, maybe they were onto something. Maybe
we should have thought this thing through. There's gonna be
some issues as this thing progresses. And we're not even
a we're not even a year into this right. I mean,
it's just the end of amateurism in college sports, and
(41:34):
they're going to have to address it as such. There's
no way to college football. Y yeah, yeah, college football.
There's no way to avoid it. At this point. You're
going to have to start treating them as employees. The
interesting thing about what you just said is that was
what at least from the words of the pactual Commissioner
and the SEC and Greg Sanky is there and they
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were kind of talking about we're trying to stay away
from that model, not making them employees. But you know,
I'm gonna be honest with you, I don't really see
a path forward without that being the case unless you're
gonna try to put the toothpaste back in the tube
with N I L. And that's not gonna happen. Because
that's that's fair and it's justified. It should have been
the case for a while now. It's just unfortunately we
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don't have a governing body in the n c A
that wants to do anything about it. So again, College
Football Playoff is going to have to figure this out.
The the ten you know, conference FBF FBS conferences are
going to have to figure this out. Amongst that group,
maybe just the Power five, right, it is going to
have to be the group. I don't necessarily know who
those parties are, but the n i L is not
(42:38):
going back or going away. I think you're gonna see
rules that curtail the ability to induce players in high
school or in the transfer portal. And that's really what
the focus is right now, because they don't want tampering
like that's That's the one thing that I think, and
I keep trying to harp on this because I truly
believe this is when these kids keep jumping around, we're
(42:58):
setting them up to fail in the future. And they
might be able to get some money out of it
every time they jump around, but ultimately football is not
gonna last forever, and they're not gonna have anything to
stand on when it's all said and done if they
don't have a university to get a degree from any
sort of foundation of education. I mean, that's just at
least how I feel about it. I Mean, the good
thing is at least Mark Emmert at the n c
(43:19):
A president is going to stick this thing out. You know,
he's going to see it through it at the end.
But why would he he's how he got here, like
he should have stepped down sooner. I'm not gleating this up.
By the way, when he steps down, how many people
have you heard it is? It's like the uh, what's
(43:42):
the the replay, the official that what was the position
that you had? Here's what it's like. It's like a
realtor coming up to you, like looking at a house
that's burning on fire with the four sales side in
the front yard. Hey, do you want to buy it?
You guys? You guys want to move in tomorrow? How
you feeling about it? Like? It doesn't show it now,
but I swear to God, there's a back patio you
(44:05):
that you would die for. This is this is the
property for you that the whole thing is is just comical.
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