June 10, 2022 • 37 mins
Friday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn and LaVar Arrington debate why Davante Adams really left Green Bay for Las Vegas. Baker Mayfield may be in a situation where he needs to take a pay cut in order to be released. And In Case You Missed It, the Angels snapped their losing streak and LeBron wants to own a team in Vegas.
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Two Pros and a cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington Brady Quinn Jonas knocks. Coming up on this
Football Friday, We're gonna talk about two quarterback legends who
made the decision to return and why they did so.
We're also going to talk about Baker mayfield situation in
the NFL with the Cleveland Browns. There is an option
on the table. He may not be a big fan
of The Angels have done it. They have finally won
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a game. We will discuss did somebody spurn the old
family heritage? Did they say no to an all time
great football program to go somewhere else. We'll get into
all that. We've also got another edition of Over Unders.
We've got the b Q News and it's the return
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Pacific here on fs are. How we feeling on a
Friday morning? Boys? How's everybody feeling? Yeah? Playing tonight? Right? Well, yeah,
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I imagine that more than one day in between games
for the NBA novel idea stolen from the NHL. I
presume that's my assumption. Uh, that is my assumption. But
you know, I don't know if you guys know this
or not, But as you go through the months and
the days passed by, and the weeks passed by, and
they all kind of blend together and look the same,
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it feels like this day is a little bit different.
This day feels a little bit special, and I don't
know what it is. And then I happened to notice
the letters right above the six ten and on the calendar.
And I don't know if you guys know has noticed
this as well too, But I'm looking up at the
calendar and I go, oh, that's right, it's a football Friday.
It is a football Friday here on fs are you
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bet your ass? NBA Finals, NBA Playoffs? Who knows? Who cares?
It is a football Friday. Even though the music is
not playing. Trust me, music is playing in your on
your ears right now and in your heart. You know
what I mean, it's there. There's a football Friday. I
promise you it's a football Friday. I swear to God
it's a football Friday. And lead a lab. At some
point He's gonna let us know whether or not we're
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ready for this football Friday. But I'm assuming we are not.
Just go ahead and skip past this part right we're
doing Hey, look at it? Yeah, spening delayed Friday. It
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is a football Friday. God bless your um. Running out
of oxygen here? How running about for you with one
of the al tivers. Think that you wouldn't know it
was a football Friday and you'd be ready for a
football Friday. But you know, well, I mean, listen, this
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is uh you know we we we've got, you know,
some new elements, some things going on navigating the waters
here on a football Friday. But the nunless we are here,
we are definitely here. Hold you accountable for okay? Well,
I I appreciate that, thank you. It is the driver,
as the ND car driver of this show, I hold
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you responsible for that. But I mean that's the theme
of this show. We point the finger, not the thumb.
That is a place blames. It's never our fault and
that makes all the sense of the world. Hey, do
you guys remember when Davante Adams made the decision to
sign with the Las Vegas Raiders And there were some
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people out there that had those takes at a Oh god,
look at Aaron Rodgers. H he can't even get Davontae
Adams to want to stick around and play with him.
And there were some rumblings about, you know, how much
he was offered to stay and all of that. Well,
Davantae Adams spoke with the media yesterday and he tried
to explain to everybody what we talked about at that time,
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that maybe the decision to leave it wasn't really about
the money, because Green Bay stepped up in a big way.
You guys have heard green Bay offered this which is
hired and what I was and all of that, and
and yeah, I'll say it was true. Okay, it was true,
But like I said, there's much more that goes into it,
and and family is a big part of it for me,
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so geographically being here it makes it a lot easier
for me to stay connected to my family year around.
And you know this is this isn't year two or
I'm not trying to necessarily fight for a job or
anything like that to where. You know, you gotta do
what you gotta do. You gotta stay out there. You know,
I had the choice, and the choice was for me
to come here and you know, raise my family on
the West Coast and income out here and have some
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fun in the sun. So God forbid, God forbid, somebody
tell the truth about how much he was offered. And
the speculation that was, like, are he's getting five years,
hundred forty millions something like that? Uh, there are speculation.
It was the number was somewhere close to like two
winter million, which significantly different, like like that's sixty million
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more potentially in a contract. Now, I don't know, you
know how they put how they put into contract, like
how legitimate it was. But the truth of the matter is,
I mean, sixty extra million will buy you a jet.
You just fly that thing back and forth at the
sunshine and whatever you want. I mean, I realized Green
Bay is not an easy place to be able to play.
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Uh maybe to a degree if if you're not from there,
um have to go there for a significant portion of
the year. I get that. You know, there's a there's
a thing they do in all their contracts. You know
why they have workout bonuses and all their contracts because
if they didn'centivize players to come up there, no one
would come up there in the off season. And also
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so centivized people to be up there with big workout
bonuses to keep them up there around the program now
and they work with those players. You know, most programs
they'll they'll let you out like Monday through Thursday. Then
you can have like a three day weekend to go
work out or excuse me to you play and have
some fun. But you know, they were one of the
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first that really started doing that because so many players
wanted to try to get out as soon as possible
on Fridays, They're like, why are we doing this? Why
don't we just have you come in work out on
a Thursday and then you can have that Friday, Saturday,
Sunday off before you need to get back again. So
They've always been like that, So I I get it.
You know, you want to be closer to family. You
want to be in a place that you feel like
we've been better for your kids. Man sixty million like
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and then on top of that, Aaron Rods just talking
about maybe playing out this contracts at three years on
this deal. I mean, you're gonna sacrifice or you I
guess you. I should say, you can't sacrifice three years
of sticking out in Green Bay playing with Aaron Rodgers,
trying to win a Super Bowl and it's dead to
be with Derek Carr And I know he's, you know,
a former teammate and all that good stuff, but talk
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about the back to back m v P Like, I
just I don't know. This is one of those deals
that in retrospect might look You might look back and say,
which I would have stayed? I wish we're taking more money,
Which would have played with Aaron Rodgers say that's it. Yeah,
not gonna go any further than that. I'm gonna stop there.
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I want to keep up. I'm gonna keep going further
with it. I think this is an indictment on Aaron Rodgers.
I mean I think that to have an opportunity to
have the opportunity to make more money than what you
were offered by the team you ended up choosing. And
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Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Rodgers, you have the opportunity, Like you're
very close in Green Bay, You're very close. If you
have Adams, you have you have both. You know the Errands,
you got Jones, you got Rogers. You're you're talking about
a team that's in poll position to win the Super Bowl,
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and you're in pole position to challenge for being the best.
You're already in the conversation. You're in position to challenge
for being the best receiver in the game. Everybody knows that.
And you decide to leave. I'm just being real, Like,
for me, that's just keeping a one hundred a buck.
If you decide to leave and go somewhere else when
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you are offering more money at the place that you're at,
you're familiar with, you've had your success with that. There's
more to it than just saying I want to raise
my kids on the West Coast. And he could say that,
and and I believe that one pcent. I believe that
that comes from a gym, you one place. He's just
not saying everything, And I think that that everything is
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he didn't want to play in Graham Bay, whether that's
played for and to me, the biggest, the biggest, the
biggest person to look at, the biggest figure to to
look at is Aaron Rodgers. But let me let me
ask you this. I mean they I know they both
speak publicly, that's one thing. But what would he have
to be upset about Aaron Rodgers? Like, I don't know
that it's an upset. I don't, I don't. I don't
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think it has to be made into like conflict of
not wanting to play with with him. It doesn't have
to be ill feelings or him being upset. I just
know that he does to go somewhere else when he
had more money on the table at the place he
was at. Well, I think the thought process was he
didn't he and he said this, he didn't think Aaron
Rodgers would be around for more than a year or two,
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which okay, but like, I'm gonna take that year to
your deal. You know, it's like it bend that much
longer either way. Why couldn't you stay? Like I would
argue the opposite, opposite, because he does have a relationship
with Derek Carr right like that. That is something that
maybe he wanted to get back to and play with him.
So I don't know that it's so much an indictment
on Rogers. I think it's just I think it is.
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I think it was a personal decision that you know,
he wanted to go somewhere closer to the West Coast.
He wanted to change the scenery. And I'm not trying
to knock Green Bay, I'm not, but for anyone who's
been there, it's tough to get to. It's there's not
a ton to do there. I think you'd admit there's
a little more to do in Las Vegas. UM think that.
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I just think that whole final dance picture that was
leveraged in the social media and different things like that.
If your relationship is so strong where you're posting last
dance photos that are comparable photos to the last dance
of Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen, and and I think
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Dennis Rodman was in it too. I don't know. But
but here's the thing I don't think. I do not
think that can walk away. Maybe it was horse grant.
You don't walk away, you don't it was Scottie Pippen.
Maybe it was Bill Cartwright, Will I think maybe it
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was Will Perdue. It could have been Crag Hodges. You know.
But here's the thing, right, I just don't think you
walk away from somebody that you built your reputation with.
That's raining two time m v P. You don't just
walk away from that. I don't care about the surroundings.
That's where you've been. So you've already put on Rogers, like,
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why can't this Well it is on DeVante, But I'm
putting on DeVante basically not not It was actually a
better decision for him to leave the best quarterback in
the game right now outside of Patricks, to go somewhere else.
He's this, Let men regret this decision. Let me ask
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you this, If Derek Carr is not the quarterback in
Las Vegas, does he make the move? Because I don't
think he does. I I think I think I think
the two main factors are Derek Carr in his relationship
with Derek Carr, and the fact that he just maybe
didn't want to be in Green Bay anymore. Like I
don't think Rogers plays into it. Isn't he from California? Okay?
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If he's from California, You've got three other teams you
could talk to with, you know, opportunities. I think, I mean,
the Rams seem to make whatever happens, and they could
have been before they signed Allen Robinson. Now the problem
is they don't have any draft picks to trade, so
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they have to trade players. And that was probably more
of the issue with the Rams. So let's go to
the Chargers. You're time of The Chargers couldn't figure out
a way of making that work. The forty Niners canna
figure out a way of making that work. I just
I look at and go all right, if it's really
about being closer at home, at Jonas's point, then go
figure out a way of getting out with with one
of those teams. See, I think that's more to my point.
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He was okay what he wants. He wanted to get
out of Green Bay and and and to me, I
wanted to I don't see it as in a David
on Rogers, like his entire career has been built with
Aaron Rodgers. I don't think he'll ever get back to
that and you but but that's because players make dumb
decisions all the time. Like I don't. I I don't
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look at that and say, oh, it's on Rogers. I
look at it and say it's on Green Bay. It's
a tough place to be for a while. Sometimes people
want to change. Sometimes people want to go, Hey, I
know Derek Carr. He can put up a bunch of
stats for me, all right, Like, we'll see how this
thing goes. He's he's not the ringing m VPS. Not
who you built your on. I don't buy it. Uh.
If you have the opportunity to make more money than
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where you left to go to you you You've seen
people for years take less money to play with guys
like Aaron Rodgers. I mean, look at Tom Brady. Pee,
We're taking less money to stay in New England. People
took less money to go to Tampa Bay to play
with Tom Brady. And and that's the thing about football.
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When you have a when you have a team that
has a quarterback that is is highly touted and and
regarded as a guy like Aaron Rodgers, God, your main
guy doesn't leave. I mean, we saw this take place
with Tarik Kale. I think that's an indictment on Patrick Mahomes.
You're gonna go you're gonna leave what you have with
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with Patrick Mahomes and go play with with Tua in Miami.
I mean he can't control what, what, who they choose
to pay or how much. I mean the they if
if you're looking, if you're seeking a trade or you're
a free agent, and you do not decide to go back.
It's not always purely about money, money and good like
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money is not always good money. It's not always good
I get that. I mean, adams contract isn't even that good,
to be honest with you, I mean, it's it's really
not when you dig into it. I just I feel
like I couldn't disagree anymore with this. For the record,
I want to be on the record here. I don't
think that it's gonna work out for Tyreek Killer Davanta
Adams in either case, like meaning, I don't think they're
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gonna be able to surpass or what they've done with
either of their past teams. And I think it was
more about the money, at least in the sense of
Tyreek Hill in that trade, and for Adams, I think
it has more to do if you want to sales
about Rogers. Yeah, maybe he only thought Rogers gonna be
there for another year. But it sounds like that's not
the case for Aaron. It sounds like he's gonna be
there for another two three years. Like Aaron Rodgers leverage
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Davante Adams and leverage everything to get what he wanted.
He got what he wanted, and it didn't appear to
be what it was offered more like, what are you
talking about? He just admitted he got offered more so,
but just a way. Well, I just think the reasoning
of it all is however it played out, and and
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however it played out, what when, and internally, which we
don't know exactly everything that has gone on internally. I
don't think Davante Adams was wanted to come back. He
had an option to go somewhere else, and he chose
to go somewhere else. When you have Aaron Rodgers as
your quarterback, you don't just leave a quarterback like that.
You just whether it's one year or not, and back
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he might look back and go man worst desion, think
about a Green Bay like who's closer to winning Super Bowl?
The Raiders are, And so think about a green Bay
wins one? How's he gonna feel about that? Then? And
and look you brought up this, uh yesterday and when
we were going over the pre show notes where you
asked the questions where does Cooper Cup rank amongst wide
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receivers in the NFL? And there's a lot of people
to go. I'd still take Davante Adams or Tyreek Killed
or and all of that is fair. The reason why
I would I don't know if I would take him,
but I would trust Cooper Cup is because I agree
with you. I think both those guys, Tyree Hill into
Vante Adams, I think they're gonna have down years in
comparison to what they've had. I think they've gone to
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less impactful quarterback wide receiver pairing combinations then they've had
previously in their careers. And I look at it and go,
Cooper Cup at least has some level of consistency. We
don't know what the hell Davanta Adams is gonna look
like in Vegas. We don't know what Tyreek Hill is
gonna look like. I'm just shocked that Lavard admitted on
the air just now that he hates Aaron Rodgers and
Patrick Mahomes. I think I think it's I think it's
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a bit strong. I don't know why you have to
attack both guys just early in the morning. That doesn't
make any damn sense to me. Like you Patrick, mahomes
like their salary tap and all that. Oh, I'm just
telling you if if if you have the opportunity to
stay and you don't stay, and you go somewhere else,
would you have that type of talent that's with you.
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I think that's more of an indictment on I'd rather
go somewhere else, and that to that structure. They literally
said in Tyrecks deal, we weren't gonnable to offer in
what Miami was willing to Okay, Like that's not in
datement of the homes, Like he just wants the money
you could have. Well, and and maybe that is truly
the case, and maybe that is the main reason. Yeah,
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that's fine, that's fine. I just I think if you
had the opportunity returned and you don't, it is what
it is to me, is in there. It may not
be number one, it may not even be number two,
but it's number like fourteen. Here's what it say though,
I think, is it's something something to keep an eye on.
That's a common e nonominator in these situations. You've got
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players who are I can't. I think when you look
at what Elie's done, they pay for all this talent.
It's a big city, right, it feels different. It's not
like playing when you're playing in the Midwest city in
Kansas City or Green Bay. You've got Saraki going to Miami,
your Davant Adams going to Las Vegas. You talk about
Cooper Cup, Well, it's like where else am I gonna go? Right? Why?
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Joy where I live and playing a huge market like
this get much better than that? Right? I think? If anything,
if anything, this shows that, like players want to be
in a bigger, better place where they live. It's not
to me who they're like playing with. It's about the
money and it's about getting to one of those bigger markets.
Were like, hey man, this isn't some smaller city, smaller
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market where it doesn't feel like it's it's the NFL.
Sometimes like this wasn't. I mean, like, I grew up
with Cleveland Browns fan. I'm from Ohio. I know how
that feels. When I got to Denver had a different
feel to it. It did for me. It has always
been about who I play with. For me, it's always
been about who I play with, because there's the money
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aspect of it. There's a business aspect of it, of course,
but it's also who I play with, like who I
have a relationship with, if I have a choice in
the matter, not if I'm drafted, if I have a
choice in the matter. When you aw about to go
to New York, that was about who you played with, Yes,
and and and green Bay had offered me more money
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than New York. And and the only reason why I
chose New York, My number one reason was Antonio Piers
and Plexico Burr's. They were the only reason why I
chose New York, and more so Antonio. More Antonio and
I are very close and we we spent time together
when I went on my visit. That was the deciding
factor between my conversations with Brett far and Green Bay
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versus the New York Giants. It was relationships. And that's
all I'm saying. Their relationship, however we want to base it,
the relationship between a receiver and a quarterback of that caliber,
that magnitude should not be breakable. You shouldn't just leave
and go because of the money. Or I wanted to
get to a better market. It's all about who you
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play with me. Always been about it. I can trust me.
I can tell you know, definitively. It matters to a degree.
But like there was a time when Braylon Eyward's got
traded from Cleveland, was with him, he had traded the
New York Jets. It had nothing to do with my relationship.
Want to leave? Did he want to leave? Yes, he
wanted to leave because he wanted to go. Let me
give you some breaking news, and he probably didn't want
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to play with you. It wasn't that we were close.
Closest can be like breaking news to you. It's not
all about your relationship. He wanted to go to the
Jets because they were a better team at that time,
but he didn't want to play for Eric Mangini, Like
I remember we talked that night. I don't know. He
was excited about the opportunity because that was a team
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that ended up contending for a f C Championships and
he knew what he was going into. So so he
wanted to trade and he wanted to leave. Yeah, he
wanted to get out. But you know what, y'all weren't
any good. That's a different scenario because we traded away
a lot of our assets and moved on to a
lot of our guys and still a different it's a
different comparison, it's a different Like, here's what I'm explaining,
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is you have your experience, you want to talk about
quarterback while receiver relationships. I'm definitively But I'm not telling
you I disagree with you. I'm telling you I understand.
I'm just giving you a definitive example that didn't have
anything to do with that. Like he he was like,
hey man, Brady Cleveland was was was not good and
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it's not Kansas City or not. And I get that,
But I also something that like when you have these
relationships with other players, and if someone can't pay you
where where they're at, then you got to try to
go somewhere else where they can. If you've got other
stuff going on in your personal life, like you need
to go figure out some of that other stuff. Like
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there's a lot of guys who have a lot of
struggles and things going on behind the scenes that people
don't know about and they're dealing with so something and
that's a fair that's a fair assessment of it. But
you don't leave a franchise quarterback, and you don't leave
a winning situation if you're looking me at a certain way.
I think that is the most ignorant thing then, because
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how else would you define Patrick Mahomes to toa like
to is trying to prove he is, and yet Patrick
Mahomes is definitively a first bout Hall of Famer. It's
not indictment on Mahomes. He can't control that. Was gonna
do what he needs to do its best for him.
Devanta Adam is gonna do what he needs to do
his best for him. I mean, maybe a little easier
going to Derek Carr. But I'm sorry, man, I couldn't
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disagree more. That's fine. I couldn't disagree more. Of disagreeing
more with you, well, I mean I disagree more so
than anybody here. So the disagreement levels are all over
the place here on Fox Sports, Rader he just a
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It's LaVar Arrington. Break with the on fs are coming
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one two three one. So the the Cleveland Browns will
have a little bit of an issue. Well, now, the
Cleveland Browns have a lot of issues right now. Um,
and when it comes to the quarterback position, Uh, there
is a situation in which the Browns have got a
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quarterback in Baker Mayfield that they were trying to move,
trying to get something done before the NFL Draft. Uh,
Clearly that didn't happen. The Indianapolis Colts were thrown out
there at one point. Clearly that didn't happen. So Baker
Mayfields still with the team. He's been excused from mandatory minicamps,
and the discussion has now turned to what is the plan?
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How are they going to move on from Baker Mayfield?
And Jonathan Jones of CBS Sports dot Com pointed out
uh In talking to one source that um, there's a
lot of pride for Baker Mayfield to swallow, and if
he really wants to get out of Cleveland and he
really wants to be somewhere else, then the option that
would make the most sense potentially would be him taking
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a pay cut. So now it's it's turned into who's
going to be willing to take Baker Mayfield on to
the Cleveland Browns paid two thirty million dollars for a
quarterback who's got sixty to seventy different massage therapists who
have claimed inappropriate behavior or visits over a seventeen month span.
To Baker Mayfield being excused from mandatory minicamp and now
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potentially having to take a pay cut on the fifth
year option deal he's signed to try and get someplace
where he can actually compete for a job. What the
f man? Well, the interesting thing is, look, he's owed
that money right there there, on the hook for it.
But I think that the question is if it can
help facilitate him getting out sooner and signing another contract
with with another team that will have a better use
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for him, or at least just getting out to a
situation where he can play that actually might be the
better route of going. I mean, LaVar, you you bought
your way out of a contract, right, I mean, it's
it's it's usual, like I would honestly say, though I
never advised that to someone only because you might never
be able to recruit that money and so like that's
not the route I would go. But if you really
want to get out, like that's a route you can go, right.
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I think the scenario is it's the timing of it
that makes it questionable. And and there are some teams
out there that may play ball if he did that,
But I think that's too much of a risk at
this point in time. Like he's in perfect pole position
if he takes there's no reason for him to take
a pay cut. For me, I took a pay cut
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because it was right before. It wasn't a pay cut.
I gave a bonus back to to be releasable and
it didn't hurt them, and I had an opportunity to
go into free agency at the beginning of free agency
free agencies. But you would have you would have earned
that regardless, right, well, I would you would I was
in position, Yes, I I already had it, already had it.
(28:13):
I gave it back. I gave a bonus back so
that I could get into free agent because what what
my situation was as they were going to take me
all the way until the last roster cut and my bonus,
my bonus was based off of being on the roster
back then. So if they would have cut me and
I didn't make the fifty three main roster, I'm out
(28:34):
of my contract, I'm out of my bonus money, and
I'm out of a job. So they I felt as
though they were heading down a road where they were
trying to like, you know, they were basically trying to
screw me, and and and so I played my way
out of it. This for Baker Mayfield, your market is
so limited, and sure there are a couple of teams
(28:55):
that could use your services, but if they're not willing
to to me, I think one of the bigger issues
here is is that you're going into taking the guarantees
of what he already has, and you got to renegotiate
a new deal. If they're not moving on him right now,
then that means that they're skeptical about doing a new deal.
To me, that's what it seems like. So you're in
(29:18):
a compromised situation, but you're not in a more compromised
situation than the Cleveland Browns. So there's no reason for
him to humble. It's not about him humbling himself and
taking a pay cut so that that it's a more
absorbable contract this year to go somewhere else. You take
away your leverage, You take away your leverage, because that's
(29:38):
all he really has is his contract to leverage right now. Yah,
But it also might not be a situation you want
to play in, right, Like we keep acting like just
because the Browns roster is good and he knows the system,
he's been there and he's now healthy, that like, why
why should we expect him to want to hang around
and bail them out? And it's not like those distractions
won't still be there about lots of we don't know
(30:00):
what stuff, And I don't think I don't think it's
about that either, to be honest, I just think that
he has his money, and and he's in a position
where he can let it play out the way. Look
at it this way. He was saying he wasn't coming back.
He was hinting to possibly not wanting to come back
the brakes for a second. I'm the one who doesn't
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think he's going to be there. I think you're the
one that has stated that he's gonna be there throughout
the See. Yes, yeah, I think that it's a possibility
that he's a better I mean, I know he's a
better option than what they have, But but I'm not
saying it from the perspective of that's how it plays out.
I'm saying from the perspective if I'm if I'm Baker Mayfield,
(30:41):
I'm he holds all the cards right now because he
has the guarantee and his contract, so the cards. But
those cards aren't worth nothing if he can't get out
and get what he wants. But but he if he
gets out right now, does he gets what? Does he
get what he wants? He goes to a new team
with a chance to play. Problem now, he might not
be signing for as much, but it doesn't matter because
(31:03):
they already owe him that money. So even if they
release them, they're still paying them. They picked up the
options fully guaranteed, so he's actually he's added that pay cut.
Not if he takes a pay cut, he would have
to restructure what he's doing to be able to do
what he would structure. He just give back money. But yeah, yeah,
I mean it's saying it's saying difference. He would have
to restructure what he's doing, basically take less so that
(31:27):
he could be let go that that would be in
essence what it is. And if that's in essence what
it is, then there's no reason for him to do that.
That is his leverage because he's not at the beginning
of free agency. He's at the beginning of training cap.
You know. It's just I think it's a bad scenario
for him right now. I wouldn't advise it. Yeah, I mean, well,
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to make some different decisions too. I mean, they could
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So yeah, the fourteen game home uh, fourteen game losing
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bad it? Huh? At you ask you guys this? Do
you celebrate this? Like? Do you have a celebration in
the locker room after you've lost fourteen? Not? Did he
not walk up the nickelback? I'm not, I'm yeah, we lee,
do we know if you walked up the nickel back
or not. I know he had photograph as his song
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uh the day before, but I don't believe they were
playing it yesterday. Well maybe that helped them though, maybe
just took a little while to marinate and then and
see the fruition. But I don't know if you're celebrating
after breaking the streak, but you might be bringing nickel
back back. Yeah, I just I don't know how. I
don't know how you handle this because you're you're happy
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that you break the losing streak, but at the same time,
you lost fourteen in a row, you didn't really deserve
to celebrate at all. But maybe they might now go
fourteen in a row. That's right, Yeah, that's right. What's
the same now that they've got nickelback? That's a good point.
I mean, it makes all the sense in the world totally.
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You gotta put together a few back fourteen fourteen in
a row. Good god man, I don't know how that's
even how that's even possible. Just to just imagine if
you blind I would love to do the math on that.
If you blindly bet the money line against the Angels
over that losing streak, how much money would you have
won had you rolled it over and rolled it over
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and uh and and leaves on that right now. So Brady,
we should have that coming up. You should be asking
how much you lost, not one, because that's usually a
live that Jesus does. Wow. Wow, that's a direct shot.
That is Bam is right? That hurt? What else we got,
Lee Fellas In case you missed this, we had reported
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earlier in the week that Lebron James is part of
the Billionaire Club. The three Comma Club is what I
believe they called themselves. Yeahs um, well of course they are.
They just dropped the preview for the Shop, which drops
this morning as well, and the subject of him owning
an NBA team came up. Take a listen, I want
on the team, by a team, by a team, and
(36:10):
then talking as a little tricky you owned the team,
and like, yeah, I will much rather on a team
before I talk. I want I want a team in Vegas.
Good for you, ves Man. Well there you go. You
know what he should do. He should try owning a
good basketball team in l A. See, he's got money
to afford that. Just I just want to know. I'm
(36:32):
just saying, like I mean, if you know, why go
to Vegas. W you could just you know, have a
good team at home, you know what I mean. Can
I be the first, though, to take this seriously and say,
who else would be a better ambassador? Given that he's
been everything you'd hoped you would be. Since he's coming
to the league, he has probably the capital to do so,
or he can quickly get to that point. And I mean,
(36:53):
could you expand could you create two other teams? You
have one in Seattle, you have one in Las Vegas,
and he can help oversee that. I mean, it'd be
the cheap We got a team for your your kid
to play in. You know what I mean? Too helps,
That does help. That's a good point. Yeah, So you
think that it's like basically my son's start, imagine that.
(37:15):
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It's happened. It's definitely happened. I mean, you would recommend
that LaVar not a good move, not a good I mean,
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Friday morning? Boys? How's everybody feeling? Yeah? Playing tonight? Right? Well, yeah,
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I imagine that more than one day in between games
for the NBA novel idea stolen from the NHL. I
presume that's my assumption. Uh, that is my assumption. But
you know, I don't know if you guys know this
or not, But as you go through the months and
the days passed by, and the weeks passed by, and
they all kind of blend together and look the same,
(01:48):
it feels like this day is a little bit different.
This day feels a little bit special, and I don't
know what it is. And then I happened to notice
the letters right above the six ten and on the calendar.
And I don't know if you guys know has noticed
this as well too, But I'm looking up at the
calendar and I go, oh, that's right, it's a football Friday.
It is a football Friday here on fs are you
(02:10):
bet your ass? NBA Finals, NBA Playoffs? Who knows? Who cares?
It is a football Friday. Even though the music is
not playing. Trust me, music is playing in your on
your ears right now and in your heart. You know
what I mean, it's there. There's a football Friday. I
promise you it's a football Friday. I swear to God
it's a football Friday. And lead a lab. At some
point He's gonna let us know whether or not we're
(02:30):
ready for this football Friday. But I'm assuming we are not.
Just go ahead and skip past this part right we're
doing Hey, look at it? Yeah, spening delayed Friday. It
(02:53):
is a football Friday. God bless your um. Running out
of oxygen here? How running about for you with one
of the al tivers. Think that you wouldn't know it
was a football Friday and you'd be ready for a
football Friday. But you know, well, I mean, listen, this
(03:14):
is uh you know we we we've got, you know,
some new elements, some things going on navigating the waters
here on a football Friday. But the nunless we are here,
we are definitely here. Hold you accountable for okay? Well,
I I appreciate that, thank you. It is the driver,
as the ND car driver of this show, I hold
(03:36):
you responsible for that. But I mean that's the theme
of this show. We point the finger, not the thumb.
That is a place blames. It's never our fault and
that makes all the sense of the world. Hey, do
you guys remember when Davante Adams made the decision to
sign with the Las Vegas Raiders And there were some
(03:58):
people out there that had those takes at a Oh god,
look at Aaron Rodgers. H he can't even get Davontae
Adams to want to stick around and play with him.
And there were some rumblings about, you know, how much
he was offered to stay and all of that. Well,
Davantae Adams spoke with the media yesterday and he tried
to explain to everybody what we talked about at that time,
(04:20):
that maybe the decision to leave it wasn't really about
the money, because Green Bay stepped up in a big way.
You guys have heard green Bay offered this which is
hired and what I was and all of that, and
and yeah, I'll say it was true. Okay, it was true,
But like I said, there's much more that goes into it,
and and family is a big part of it for me,
(04:40):
so geographically being here it makes it a lot easier
for me to stay connected to my family year around.
And you know this is this isn't year two or
I'm not trying to necessarily fight for a job or
anything like that to where. You know, you gotta do
what you gotta do. You gotta stay out there. You know,
I had the choice, and the choice was for me
to come here and you know, raise my family on
the West Coast and income out here and have some
(05:01):
fun in the sun. So God forbid, God forbid, somebody
tell the truth about how much he was offered. And
the speculation that was, like, are he's getting five years,
hundred forty millions something like that? Uh, there are speculation.
It was the number was somewhere close to like two
winter million, which significantly different, like like that's sixty million
(05:24):
more potentially in a contract. Now, I don't know, you
know how they put how they put into contract, like
how legitimate it was. But the truth of the matter is,
I mean, sixty extra million will buy you a jet.
You just fly that thing back and forth at the
sunshine and whatever you want. I mean, I realized Green
Bay is not an easy place to be able to play.
(05:48):
Uh maybe to a degree if if you're not from there,
um have to go there for a significant portion of
the year. I get that. You know, there's a there's
a thing they do in all their contracts. You know
why they have workout bonuses and all their contracts because
if they didn'centivize players to come up there, no one
would come up there in the off season. And also
(06:10):
so centivized people to be up there with big workout
bonuses to keep them up there around the program now
and they work with those players. You know, most programs
they'll they'll let you out like Monday through Thursday. Then
you can have like a three day weekend to go
work out or excuse me to you play and have
some fun. But you know, they were one of the
(06:30):
first that really started doing that because so many players
wanted to try to get out as soon as possible
on Fridays, They're like, why are we doing this? Why
don't we just have you come in work out on
a Thursday and then you can have that Friday, Saturday,
Sunday off before you need to get back again. So
They've always been like that, So I I get it.
You know, you want to be closer to family. You
want to be in a place that you feel like
we've been better for your kids. Man sixty million like
(06:54):
and then on top of that, Aaron Rods just talking
about maybe playing out this contracts at three years on
this deal. I mean, you're gonna sacrifice or you I
guess you. I should say, you can't sacrifice three years
of sticking out in Green Bay playing with Aaron Rodgers,
trying to win a Super Bowl and it's dead to
be with Derek Carr And I know he's, you know,
a former teammate and all that good stuff, but talk
(07:16):
about the back to back m v P Like, I
just I don't know. This is one of those deals
that in retrospect might look You might look back and say,
which I would have stayed? I wish we're taking more money,
Which would have played with Aaron Rodgers say that's it. Yeah,
not gonna go any further than that. I'm gonna stop there.
(07:37):
I want to keep up. I'm gonna keep going further
with it. I think this is an indictment on Aaron Rodgers.
I mean I think that to have an opportunity to
have the opportunity to make more money than what you
were offered by the team you ended up choosing. And
(07:58):
Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Rodgers, you have the opportunity, Like you're
very close in Green Bay, You're very close. If you
have Adams, you have you have both. You know the Errands,
you got Jones, you got Rogers. You're you're talking about
a team that's in poll position to win the Super Bowl,
(08:19):
and you're in pole position to challenge for being the best.
You're already in the conversation. You're in position to challenge
for being the best receiver in the game. Everybody knows that.
And you decide to leave. I'm just being real, Like,
for me, that's just keeping a one hundred a buck.
If you decide to leave and go somewhere else when
(08:43):
you are offering more money at the place that you're at,
you're familiar with, you've had your success with that. There's
more to it than just saying I want to raise
my kids on the West Coast. And he could say that,
and and I believe that one pcent. I believe that
that comes from a gym, you one place. He's just
not saying everything, And I think that that everything is
(09:05):
he didn't want to play in Graham Bay, whether that's
played for and to me, the biggest, the biggest, the
biggest person to look at, the biggest figure to to
look at is Aaron Rodgers. But let me let me
ask you this. I mean they I know they both
speak publicly, that's one thing. But what would he have
to be upset about Aaron Rodgers? Like, I don't know
that it's an upset. I don't, I don't. I don't
(09:27):
think it has to be made into like conflict of
not wanting to play with with him. It doesn't have
to be ill feelings or him being upset. I just
know that he does to go somewhere else when he
had more money on the table at the place he
was at. Well, I think the thought process was he
didn't he and he said this, he didn't think Aaron
Rodgers would be around for more than a year or two,
(09:48):
which okay, but like, I'm gonna take that year to
your deal. You know, it's like it bend that much
longer either way. Why couldn't you stay? Like I would
argue the opposite, opposite, because he does have a relationship
with Derek Carr right like that. That is something that
maybe he wanted to get back to and play with him.
So I don't know that it's so much an indictment
on Rogers. I think it's just I think it is.
(10:10):
I think it was a personal decision that you know,
he wanted to go somewhere closer to the West Coast.
He wanted to change the scenery. And I'm not trying
to knock Green Bay, I'm not, but for anyone who's
been there, it's tough to get to. It's there's not
a ton to do there. I think you'd admit there's
a little more to do in Las Vegas. UM think that.
(10:34):
I just think that whole final dance picture that was
leveraged in the social media and different things like that.
If your relationship is so strong where you're posting last
dance photos that are comparable photos to the last dance
of Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen, and and I think
(10:56):
Dennis Rodman was in it too. I don't know. But
but here's the thing I don't think. I do not
think that can walk away. Maybe it was horse grant.
You don't walk away, you don't it was Scottie Pippen.
Maybe it was Bill Cartwright, Will I think maybe it
(11:16):
was Will Perdue. It could have been Crag Hodges. You know.
But here's the thing, right, I just don't think you
walk away from somebody that you built your reputation with.
That's raining two time m v P. You don't just
walk away from that. I don't care about the surroundings.
That's where you've been. So you've already put on Rogers, like,
(11:39):
why can't this Well it is on DeVante, But I'm
putting on DeVante basically not not It was actually a
better decision for him to leave the best quarterback in
the game right now outside of Patricks, to go somewhere else.
He's this, Let men regret this decision. Let me ask
(12:00):
you this, If Derek Carr is not the quarterback in
Las Vegas, does he make the move? Because I don't
think he does. I I think I think I think
the two main factors are Derek Carr in his relationship
with Derek Carr, and the fact that he just maybe
didn't want to be in Green Bay anymore. Like I
don't think Rogers plays into it. Isn't he from California? Okay?
(12:21):
If he's from California, You've got three other teams you
could talk to with, you know, opportunities. I think, I mean,
the Rams seem to make whatever happens, and they could
have been before they signed Allen Robinson. Now the problem
is they don't have any draft picks to trade, so
(12:43):
they have to trade players. And that was probably more
of the issue with the Rams. So let's go to
the Chargers. You're time of The Chargers couldn't figure out
a way of making that work. The forty Niners canna
figure out a way of making that work. I just
I look at and go all right, if it's really
about being closer at home, at Jonas's point, then go
figure out a way of getting out with with one
of those teams. See, I think that's more to my point.
(13:04):
He was okay what he wants. He wanted to get
out of Green Bay and and and to me, I
wanted to I don't see it as in a David
on Rogers, like his entire career has been built with
Aaron Rodgers. I don't think he'll ever get back to
that and you but but that's because players make dumb
decisions all the time. Like I don't. I I don't
(13:26):
look at that and say, oh, it's on Rogers. I
look at it and say it's on Green Bay. It's
a tough place to be for a while. Sometimes people
want to change. Sometimes people want to go, Hey, I
know Derek Carr. He can put up a bunch of
stats for me, all right, Like, we'll see how this
thing goes. He's he's not the ringing m VPS. Not
who you built your on. I don't buy it. Uh.
If you have the opportunity to make more money than
(13:48):
where you left to go to you you You've seen
people for years take less money to play with guys
like Aaron Rodgers. I mean, look at Tom Brady. Pee,
We're taking less money to stay in New England. People
took less money to go to Tampa Bay to play
with Tom Brady. And and that's the thing about football.
(14:09):
When you have a when you have a team that
has a quarterback that is is highly touted and and
regarded as a guy like Aaron Rodgers, God, your main
guy doesn't leave. I mean, we saw this take place
with Tarik Kale. I think that's an indictment on Patrick Mahomes.
You're gonna go you're gonna leave what you have with
(14:31):
with Patrick Mahomes and go play with with Tua in Miami.
I mean he can't control what, what, who they choose
to pay or how much. I mean the they if
if you're looking, if you're seeking a trade or you're
a free agent, and you do not decide to go back.
It's not always purely about money, money and good like
(14:53):
money is not always good money. It's not always good
I get that. I mean, adams contract isn't even that good,
to be honest with you, I mean, it's it's really
not when you dig into it. I just I feel
like I couldn't disagree anymore with this. For the record,
I want to be on the record here. I don't
think that it's gonna work out for Tyreek Killer Davanta
Adams in either case, like meaning, I don't think they're
(15:14):
gonna be able to surpass or what they've done with
either of their past teams. And I think it was
more about the money, at least in the sense of
Tyreek Hill in that trade, and for Adams, I think
it has more to do if you want to sales
about Rogers. Yeah, maybe he only thought Rogers gonna be
there for another year. But it sounds like that's not
the case for Aaron. It sounds like he's gonna be
there for another two three years. Like Aaron Rodgers leverage
(15:36):
Davante Adams and leverage everything to get what he wanted.
He got what he wanted, and it didn't appear to
be what it was offered more like, what are you
talking about? He just admitted he got offered more so,
but just a way. Well, I just think the reasoning
of it all is however it played out, and and
(15:58):
however it played out, what when, and internally, which we
don't know exactly everything that has gone on internally. I
don't think Davante Adams was wanted to come back. He
had an option to go somewhere else, and he chose
to go somewhere else. When you have Aaron Rodgers as
your quarterback, you don't just leave a quarterback like that.
You just whether it's one year or not, and back
(16:22):
he might look back and go man worst desion, think
about a Green Bay like who's closer to winning Super Bowl?
The Raiders are, And so think about a green Bay
wins one? How's he gonna feel about that? Then? And
and look you brought up this, uh yesterday and when
we were going over the pre show notes where you
asked the questions where does Cooper Cup rank amongst wide
(16:44):
receivers in the NFL? And there's a lot of people
to go. I'd still take Davante Adams or Tyreek Killed
or and all of that is fair. The reason why
I would I don't know if I would take him,
but I would trust Cooper Cup is because I agree
with you. I think both those guys, Tyree Hill into
Vante Adams, I think they're gonna have down years in
comparison to what they've had. I think they've gone to
(17:06):
less impactful quarterback wide receiver pairing combinations then they've had
previously in their careers. And I look at it and go,
Cooper Cup at least has some level of consistency. We
don't know what the hell Davanta Adams is gonna look
like in Vegas. We don't know what Tyreek Hill is
gonna look like. I'm just shocked that Lavard admitted on
the air just now that he hates Aaron Rodgers and
Patrick Mahomes. I think I think it's I think it's
(17:28):
a bit strong. I don't know why you have to
attack both guys just early in the morning. That doesn't
make any damn sense to me. Like you Patrick, mahomes
like their salary tap and all that. Oh, I'm just
telling you if if if you have the opportunity to
stay and you don't stay, and you go somewhere else,
would you have that type of talent that's with you.
(17:51):
I think that's more of an indictment on I'd rather
go somewhere else, and that to that structure. They literally
said in Tyrecks deal, we weren't gonnable to offer in
what Miami was willing to Okay, Like that's not in
datement of the homes, Like he just wants the money
you could have. Well, and and maybe that is truly
the case, and maybe that is the main reason. Yeah,
(18:15):
that's fine, that's fine. I just I think if you
had the opportunity returned and you don't, it is what
it is to me, is in there. It may not
be number one, it may not even be number two,
but it's number like fourteen. Here's what it say though,
I think, is it's something something to keep an eye on.
That's a common e nonominator in these situations. You've got
(18:36):
players who are I can't. I think when you look
at what Elie's done, they pay for all this talent.
It's a big city, right, it feels different. It's not
like playing when you're playing in the Midwest city in
Kansas City or Green Bay. You've got Saraki going to Miami,
your Davant Adams going to Las Vegas. You talk about
Cooper Cup, Well, it's like where else am I gonna go? Right? Why?
(19:00):
Joy where I live and playing a huge market like
this get much better than that? Right? I think? If anything,
if anything, this shows that, like players want to be
in a bigger, better place where they live. It's not
to me who they're like playing with. It's about the
money and it's about getting to one of those bigger markets.
Were like, hey man, this isn't some smaller city, smaller
(19:23):
market where it doesn't feel like it's it's the NFL.
Sometimes like this wasn't. I mean, like, I grew up
with Cleveland Browns fan. I'm from Ohio. I know how
that feels. When I got to Denver had a different
feel to it. It did for me. It has always
been about who I play with. For me, it's always
been about who I play with, because there's the money
(19:47):
aspect of it. There's a business aspect of it, of course,
but it's also who I play with, like who I
have a relationship with, if I have a choice in
the matter, not if I'm drafted, if I have a
choice in the matter. When you aw about to go
to New York, that was about who you played with, Yes,
and and and green Bay had offered me more money
(20:07):
than New York. And and the only reason why I
chose New York, My number one reason was Antonio Piers
and Plexico Burr's. They were the only reason why I
chose New York, and more so Antonio. More Antonio and
I are very close and we we spent time together
when I went on my visit. That was the deciding
factor between my conversations with Brett far and Green Bay
(20:31):
versus the New York Giants. It was relationships. And that's
all I'm saying. Their relationship, however we want to base it,
the relationship between a receiver and a quarterback of that caliber,
that magnitude should not be breakable. You shouldn't just leave
and go because of the money. Or I wanted to
get to a better market. It's all about who you
(20:53):
play with me. Always been about it. I can trust me.
I can tell you know, definitively. It matters to a degree.
But like there was a time when Braylon Eyward's got
traded from Cleveland, was with him, he had traded the
New York Jets. It had nothing to do with my relationship.
Want to leave? Did he want to leave? Yes, he
wanted to leave because he wanted to go. Let me
give you some breaking news, and he probably didn't want
(21:15):
to play with you. It wasn't that we were close.
Closest can be like breaking news to you. It's not
all about your relationship. He wanted to go to the
Jets because they were a better team at that time,
but he didn't want to play for Eric Mangini, Like
I remember we talked that night. I don't know. He
was excited about the opportunity because that was a team
(21:35):
that ended up contending for a f C Championships and
he knew what he was going into. So so he
wanted to trade and he wanted to leave. Yeah, he
wanted to get out. But you know what, y'all weren't
any good. That's a different scenario because we traded away
a lot of our assets and moved on to a
lot of our guys and still a different it's a
different comparison, it's a different Like, here's what I'm explaining,
(21:58):
is you have your experience, you want to talk about
quarterback while receiver relationships. I'm definitively But I'm not telling
you I disagree with you. I'm telling you I understand.
I'm just giving you a definitive example that didn't have
anything to do with that. Like he he was like,
hey man, Brady Cleveland was was was not good and
(22:20):
it's not Kansas City or not. And I get that,
But I also something that like when you have these
relationships with other players, and if someone can't pay you
where where they're at, then you got to try to
go somewhere else where they can. If you've got other
stuff going on in your personal life, like you need
to go figure out some of that other stuff. Like
(22:42):
there's a lot of guys who have a lot of
struggles and things going on behind the scenes that people
don't know about and they're dealing with so something and
that's a fair that's a fair assessment of it. But
you don't leave a franchise quarterback, and you don't leave
a winning situation if you're looking me at a certain way.
I think that is the most ignorant thing then, because
(23:04):
how else would you define Patrick Mahomes to toa like
to is trying to prove he is, and yet Patrick
Mahomes is definitively a first bout Hall of Famer. It's
not indictment on Mahomes. He can't control that. Was gonna
do what he needs to do its best for him.
Devanta Adam is gonna do what he needs to do
his best for him. I mean, maybe a little easier
going to Derek Carr. But I'm sorry, man, I couldn't
(23:25):
disagree more. That's fine. I couldn't disagree more. Of disagreeing
more with you, well, I mean I disagree more so
than anybody here. So the disagreement levels are all over
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one two three one. So the the Cleveland Browns will
have a little bit of an issue. Well, now, the
Cleveland Browns have a lot of issues right now. Um,
and when it comes to the quarterback position, Uh, there
is a situation in which the Browns have got a
(25:38):
quarterback in Baker Mayfield that they were trying to move,
trying to get something done before the NFL Draft. Uh,
Clearly that didn't happen. The Indianapolis Colts were thrown out
there at one point. Clearly that didn't happen. So Baker
Mayfields still with the team. He's been excused from mandatory minicamps,
and the discussion has now turned to what is the plan?
(25:58):
How are they going to move on from Baker Mayfield?
And Jonathan Jones of CBS Sports dot Com pointed out
uh In talking to one source that um, there's a
lot of pride for Baker Mayfield to swallow, and if
he really wants to get out of Cleveland and he
really wants to be somewhere else, then the option that
would make the most sense potentially would be him taking
(26:21):
a pay cut. So now it's it's turned into who's
going to be willing to take Baker Mayfield on to
the Cleveland Browns paid two thirty million dollars for a
quarterback who's got sixty to seventy different massage therapists who
have claimed inappropriate behavior or visits over a seventeen month span.
To Baker Mayfield being excused from mandatory minicamp and now
(26:44):
potentially having to take a pay cut on the fifth
year option deal he's signed to try and get someplace
where he can actually compete for a job. What the
f man? Well, the interesting thing is, look, he's owed
that money right there there, on the hook for it.
But I think that the question is if it can
help facilitate him getting out sooner and signing another contract
with with another team that will have a better use
(27:07):
for him, or at least just getting out to a
situation where he can play that actually might be the
better route of going. I mean, LaVar, you you bought
your way out of a contract, right, I mean, it's
it's it's usual, like I would honestly say, though I
never advised that to someone only because you might never
be able to recruit that money and so like that's
not the route I would go. But if you really
want to get out, like that's a route you can go, right.
(27:30):
I think the scenario is it's the timing of it
that makes it questionable. And and there are some teams
out there that may play ball if he did that,
But I think that's too much of a risk at
this point in time. Like he's in perfect pole position
if he takes there's no reason for him to take
a pay cut. For me, I took a pay cut
(27:50):
because it was right before. It wasn't a pay cut.
I gave a bonus back to to be releasable and
it didn't hurt them, and I had an opportunity to
go into free agency at the beginning of free agency
free agencies. But you would have you would have earned
that regardless, right, well, I would you would I was
in position, Yes, I I already had it, already had it.
(28:13):
I gave it back. I gave a bonus back so
that I could get into free agent because what what
my situation was as they were going to take me
all the way until the last roster cut and my bonus,
my bonus was based off of being on the roster
back then. So if they would have cut me and
I didn't make the fifty three main roster, I'm out
(28:34):
of my contract, I'm out of my bonus money, and
I'm out of a job. So they I felt as
though they were heading down a road where they were
trying to like, you know, they were basically trying to
screw me, and and and so I played my way
out of it. This for Baker Mayfield, your market is
so limited, and sure there are a couple of teams
(28:55):
that could use your services, but if they're not willing
to to me, I think one of the bigger issues
here is is that you're going into taking the guarantees
of what he already has, and you got to renegotiate
a new deal. If they're not moving on him right now,
then that means that they're skeptical about doing a new deal.
To me, that's what it seems like. So you're in
(29:18):
a compromised situation, but you're not in a more compromised
situation than the Cleveland Browns. So there's no reason for
him to humble. It's not about him humbling himself and
taking a pay cut so that that it's a more
absorbable contract this year to go somewhere else. You take
away your leverage, You take away your leverage, because that's
(29:38):
all he really has is his contract to leverage right now. Yah,
But it also might not be a situation you want
to play in, right, Like we keep acting like just
because the Browns roster is good and he knows the system,
he's been there and he's now healthy, that like, why
why should we expect him to want to hang around
and bail them out? And it's not like those distractions
won't still be there about lots of we don't know
(30:00):
what stuff, And I don't think I don't think it's
about that either, to be honest, I just think that
he has his money, and and he's in a position
where he can let it play out the way. Look
at it this way. He was saying he wasn't coming back.
He was hinting to possibly not wanting to come back
the brakes for a second. I'm the one who doesn't
(30:21):
think he's going to be there. I think you're the
one that has stated that he's gonna be there throughout
the See. Yes, yeah, I think that it's a possibility
that he's a better I mean, I know he's a
better option than what they have, But but I'm not
saying it from the perspective of that's how it plays out.
I'm saying from the perspective if I'm if I'm Baker Mayfield,
(30:41):
I'm he holds all the cards right now because he
has the guarantee and his contract, so the cards. But
those cards aren't worth nothing if he can't get out
and get what he wants. But but he if he
gets out right now, does he gets what? Does he
get what he wants? He goes to a new team
with a chance to play. Problem now, he might not
be signing for as much, but it doesn't matter because
(31:03):
they already owe him that money. So even if they
release them, they're still paying them. They picked up the
options fully guaranteed, so he's actually he's added that pay cut.
Not if he takes a pay cut, he would have
to restructure what he's doing to be able to do
what he would structure. He just give back money. But yeah, yeah,
I mean it's saying it's saying difference. He would have
to restructure what he's doing, basically take less so that
(31:27):
he could be let go that that would be in
essence what it is. And if that's in essence what
it is, then there's no reason for him to do that.
That is his leverage because he's not at the beginning
of free agency. He's at the beginning of training cap.
You know. It's just I think it's a bad scenario
for him right now. I wouldn't advise it. Yeah, I mean, well,
(31:48):
I mean you should probably advise of the Cleveland Browns
to make some different decisions too. I mean, they could
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do do two lapp Fellas in case you missed it,
the streak has been snapped and the glory isn't too
nickel Beck into the show. Hey Otani, who was on
the mound and also hit this go ahead home run?
So yeah, the fourteen game home uh, fourteen game losing
streak is officially over for the Angels. I mean, how
(33:58):
bad it? Huh? At you ask you guys this? Do
you celebrate this? Like? Do you have a celebration in
the locker room after you've lost fourteen? Not? Did he
not walk up the nickelback? I'm not, I'm yeah, we lee,
do we know if you walked up the nickel back
or not. I know he had photograph as his song
(34:20):
uh the day before, but I don't believe they were
playing it yesterday. Well maybe that helped them though, maybe
just took a little while to marinate and then and
see the fruition. But I don't know if you're celebrating
after breaking the streak, but you might be bringing nickel
back back. Yeah, I just I don't know how. I
don't know how you handle this because you're you're happy
(34:42):
that you break the losing streak, but at the same time,
you lost fourteen in a row, you didn't really deserve
to celebrate at all. But maybe they might now go
fourteen in a row. That's right, Yeah, that's right. What's
the same now that they've got nickelback? That's a good point.
I mean, it makes all the sense in the world totally.
(35:05):
You gotta put together a few back fourteen fourteen in
a row. Good god man, I don't know how that's
even how that's even possible. Just to just imagine if
you blind I would love to do the math on that.
If you blindly bet the money line against the Angels
over that losing streak, how much money would you have
won had you rolled it over and rolled it over
(35:26):
and uh and and leaves on that right now. So Brady,
we should have that coming up. You should be asking
how much you lost, not one, because that's usually a
live that Jesus does. Wow. Wow, that's a direct shot.
That is Bam is right? That hurt? What else we got,
Lee Fellas In case you missed this, we had reported
(35:48):
earlier in the week that Lebron James is part of
the Billionaire Club. The three Comma Club is what I
believe they called themselves. Yeahs um, well of course they are.
They just dropped the preview for the Shop, which drops
this morning as well, and the subject of him owning
an NBA team came up. Take a listen, I want
on the team, by a team, by a team, and
(36:10):
then talking as a little tricky you owned the team,
and like, yeah, I will much rather on a team
before I talk. I want I want a team in Vegas.
Good for you, ves Man. Well there you go. You
know what he should do. He should try owning a
good basketball team in l A. See, he's got money
to afford that. Just I just want to know. I'm
(36:32):
just saying, like I mean, if you know, why go
to Vegas. W you could just you know, have a
good team at home, you know what I mean. Can
I be the first, though, to take this seriously and say,
who else would be a better ambassador? Given that he's
been everything you'd hoped you would be. Since he's coming
to the league, he has probably the capital to do so,
or he can quickly get to that point. And I mean,
(36:53):
could you expand could you create two other teams? You
have one in Seattle, you have one in Las Vegas,
and he can help oversee that. I mean, it'd be
the cheap We got a team for your your kid
to play in. You know what I mean? Too helps,
That does help. That's a good point. Yeah, So you
think that it's like basically my son's start, imagine that.
(37:15):
I mean, how many times have we've seen that happen.
It's happened. It's definitely happened. I mean, you would recommend
that LaVar not a good move, not a good I mean,
I'm not mad at him. I would do it if
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