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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time. Time, time, time, luck and load. So
Michael Very Show is on the air.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
All right, you guys, let's listen up.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
We won a game yesterday.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
If we win one today, that's two.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
In a row.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
We win one tomorrow, that's called a winning streak.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
It has happened before. So let's see some hustle. Let's
jug it up a little.
Speaker 5 (00:34):
I got a feeling things we're about to turn around
for us.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
So win with every single facet. We're gonna win so much.
You may even get tired of winning, and you'll say, please, please,
it's too much winning.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
We can't take.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
It anymore, mister President, It's too much, and I'll say, no.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
It isn't.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
We have to keep winning. We have to win more.
We're gonna win more. We're gonna win so much.
Speaker 6 (00:59):
We've regained our stride, we discovered our spirit. America is thriving,
America is flourishing, and yes, America is winning again like
never before.
Speaker 7 (01:11):
The task before us will not be easy, but I
will bring every ounce of energy, spirit and fighting that
I have in my soul to the job that you've
entrusted to me.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
This is a great job.
Speaker 8 (01:26):
There's no job like this this is the most important
job in the world, just as I did it my
first term. We had a great first term, a great,
great first term. I will govern by a simple motto.
Speaker 6 (01:41):
Promises made, promises kept.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
We're going to keep our promises. Big beautiful bill passed
today after quite a bit of drama, with some Republicans
saying they wouldn't support it, and it ended up fifty
one to forty nine. It will be interesting as the
stories continue to emerge as to how the deals were
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cut behind the scenes, but for now the bill has passed.
The Reverend Jimmy Swaggert, one of the most famous televangelists
of all time, has passed at ninety years old, based
in Baton Rouge. Obviously folks know of his struggles and
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the scandals, but that was a life of a Grammy
nomination over fifty albums, I think fifteen books, or do
I get those two mixed up? I read earlier a
very prolific evangelist, Pentecostal evangelists and one of three cousins
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Jerry Lee Lewis, Mickey Gilly and Jimmy Swaggert, all three
of them becoming extraordinarily successful, with the common theme being music.
But each in their own realm, in their own way,
a life well lived. And the third of those cousins
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from Faraday, Louisiana to pass President enjoying a great victory
today with the big beautiful Bill, the megabill as some
called it, passing fifty one forty nine. I think he
probably did some arm breaking to get there. He toured
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the alligator Alcatraz today, which you know. DeSantis I think
has learned from Trump, and Republicans needed to learn from
Trump that you've got to have some showmanship to what
you do. Trump's leadership of celebrity apprentice from everything I've read,
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is that Trump really drove that ship. He wasn't just
the star of the show. He understood the dramatic flair.
There is something to be said for the dramatic flair
in great leaders Napoleon had it, for instance, Churchill had it,
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for instance, MacArthur had it. John F. Kennedy had it,
Reagan had it. The understanding of the moment and the
measure of the moment for flair for something the public
can sink their teeth into. And I think DeSantis his
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run against Trump certainly hurt him. There's no way around that.
And it made it made the Trump loyalists ustful of
him for that, even though he got out of the
race pretty early. But DeSantis is a guy, in my opinion,
who still has a future in politics, and we should
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keep him in politics. He has shown himself to be
a very good leader, and regardless what he did at
that moment, I think that there is a place for
Ron De Santis in future leadership in this country. I
think the alligator Alcatraz is one of the most inspired
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things I've seen in a very, very long time. It's
pretty glorious. Another story of Chinese nationals caught after a
ten thousand dollars cash drop in what's being called a
covert military operation of further espionage. How long until we
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understand that China is sending people to this country, into
our corporate environments, into our military, into our universities, into
our schools, and they are spying on us, and we
keep catching them. From Diane Feinstein's driver to the people
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paying bribes to Hunter Biden to now this is the
most recent. You know, we had a case in Houston
a few years ago during COVID where it was discovered
that they were stealing secrets from the Texas Medical Center,
the finest medical center in the world, and they were
stealing secrets as to how we were treating COVID, and
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so once that was understood, they began burning the documents
at the consular office in Houston. Smoke was billowing up
out of the courtyard of the facility as the Feds
were trying to knock down the doors to get inside.
They were burning the documents that were proof of what
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they had done. This is this is the Michael Verie Show.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Yeah, that's the one there, you know.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
I n s let's kick it all right, stop collaborate
and listen. I was back with a brand new chantyport
aliens daily. Put them in a catafold watch the fly away.
We won't ever stop. Hell no, only we'd this fantas
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stuff we know is audios to the extreme. Kick them out.
Things to home, and if you're here illegally, you gotta go.
Man first, it's the violin of fittitors can't ban those
you best, so the best minor infractions. If you resist,
end of contraction.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
We love it.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
You're leaving home and don't lay you better hit the road.
Jack Couldrif you are a problem, Trump just solved at
the border. In the door that's revolving, Nice my Spain,
trom over us my Spain head, Tom.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Over us my Spain Domice, my Spain.
Speaker 9 (08:18):
Tom Over, I want to go. I is coming.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
I prefer I say, is coming? Really lie my lie?
Nice is coming?
Speaker 4 (08:30):
USA is coming.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
I've been here three years.
Speaker 10 (08:36):
Nice is coming.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Joe Biden say he's hold mine and he's a liar.
Speaker 10 (08:42):
I got e b t car, I say is coming,
and the three I'm fall here my phone man, I
my spam, tom over Nice, Nice.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Prom all in Nice my Spain.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Tom holding Ice.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Americans want our nation to be safe. Americans want illegal
aliens deported. It's just that simple. The Democrats and their
media are using law fare and every means possible, legal
or not sanctuary cities to fight us on this. But
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the American people are clear and for once, we have
a leadership team willing to do something about it. So
the deportation raids continue. And CNN injected themselves into this situation.
They spent a segment promoting an app on your phone
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that would track ICE. It would allow you users to
mark the location of ICE agents when they see them.
Then other users who are who are here illegally would
know what part of town to avoid. It sounds to
me like aiding and abetting criminal activity. Here's the story.
Speaker 11 (10:18):
One tech developer is pushing back with an app designed
to track ice activity in real time. It's called ice Block,
and it's controversial, to say the least. Saint Claire Duffy
is with us. Now, how does this work, Claire and
what are the legal implications?
Speaker 12 (10:34):
Yeah, John, I talked with Joshua Aaron, who is the
longtime tech worker who developed this platform, and he said
he really wants it to be an early warning system
for people about the location of immigrations and customs enforcement officers.
So he says he does not want people interfering with
those officers' activity, but he does want people to be
able to avoid them altogether if they want.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
So.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
You open the app.
Speaker 12 (10:55):
It looks like a map and users can tap the
map to report and ice sighting in their area, and
then everybody who uses the platform within five miles of
that siting will get a push alert. This is a
free iPhone app. It is anonymous. Aeron says he doesn't
collect any user data. And what I think is really
interesting about this in this moment is we've seen so
many of the biggest leaders in tech supporting President Trump,
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but Aaron is sort of an example of the fact
that there are people within the tech industry who are
really resistant to Trump's policies. I asked him what he
would say to those tech leaders who, for example, were
at the inauguration.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Here's what he told me.
Speaker 9 (11:28):
Take a listen.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
I understand that you have shared holders to report to you.
Speaker 13 (11:32):
I understand that you have employees that need their paychecks.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
But at what point do you say enough is enough?
Speaker 12 (11:40):
And John, I should say that I did not respond
when I asked them about this platform and about Aaron's
opposition to their activity.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Who did respond? Because what they're really doing is they're
promoting the app so that people will use it, and
they think they're being cute by reporting on it as well,
here's this controversial thing, and here's how you use it,
and here's how it'll protect you. The borders are. Tom
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Holman was on Fox News and he called on the
Department of Justice to investigate whether or not CNN broke
the law when they basically promoted the ice tracking app.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
This is simply disgusting, and any network that covers. That
is disgusting as well. So I'm over and DOJ steps
in here and see if they crossed that line. I'm
compeding federal lawenforcement ofshers. Look, Laurs, you're not talking about
this assault again. SIS is up over five percent. Now
you've got an app. It's going to tell where ICE
operators are going to be. It's only a matter of
time where ICE ages are ambushed by some nut like
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what happened in la throwing them out top cocktail, throwing
bricks and these officers. This is just disgusting at every level.
So I hope DOJ dives in this deeply because you
know ICE is contrant on public safe the crets and
national security dreads. This shouldn't be a part ofan issue.
There shouldn't be an issue anybody's is against. So they're
already a dangerous jibe going after the worst, the worst.
These guys are putting their lives on the line every day,
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going after the worst and worst interna security threat, and
this app makes it that much more dangerous. It's incredible
that those enforced law all of a sudden, the bad
guys wanted to break the law. They're victims. It's disgusting.
Why I was seeing in promote this? Why would they
do a story on this? I can't figure it out.
I've I've been doing this for four decades. I've never
seen anything like this in my life. You know, it's
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got to be they hate Trump more than love law
enforcement or I can't figure it out, but something needs
to be done. I mean, you advertise this guy's app
on a national TV network. This is going to bring
more followers, sick followers to the app.
Speaker 10 (13:40):
And use it.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Carolyn Levitt, the White House Press Secretary, said that if
you said yesterday that if the Big Beautiful Bill passed,
and it has passed the Senate and it will now
go to the House for reconciliation to work out the
differences the two versions, that one point four million illegals
would be kicked off of META. Why would illegal aliens
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be getting a government benefit in this country when we
can't take care of Americans.
Speaker 14 (14:08):
Here's what she had to say, cutting out the waste
front and abuse, as well as getting one point four
million illegal aliens off of the program, So all of
those measures are actually going to protect it for those
who need it. That's the President's position, and that's what
this bill does, and that's why Republicans need to vote
for it.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
It's very important for Americans to understand that the cost
of illegal immigration is born more heavily by some than others.
If you are Jeff Besos spending, however many million dollars
on your wedding, living behind big gates with your own
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security force, you're not going to suffer the cost of
illegal aliens. If you're the working man who's got a
twelve hour wait when you go to the hospital because
illegals are lined up in front of you because they
don't they don't go by insurance. If you're a victim
of crime because you don't have your own private security
force or gates around your home, if you're side swiped
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or hit by a drunk driver, that's an illegal alien
and they have no insurance to cover, and now you
can't cover your own cost, you bear the cost of
illegal immigration. It's very important to understand that for all
the argument of well, your cabbage will be cheaper, and
who will pick up our plates and who will mow
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our lawn, there is a cost that is being born.
It is a wealth redistribution away from the working class
toward the rich so that they will have cheap slaves.
That's what it's a show. Jennifer Say has been in
the news the last couple of weeks when she made
the statement that she wanted to not have an HR department.
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She is the founder of a women's sportswear company called
xx x Y. But she came to our attention originally
when she was a senior executive. I think she was
a chief marketing officer of Levi Strauss and she didn't
play by the corporate rules. She has really made a
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name for herself the last couple of years as somebody
with truly independent thought that represents what the vast majority
of Americans believe and want in our companies, but seems
to be alien in corporate culture. She's our guest, Jennifer,
Welcome to the program.
Speaker 9 (16:34):
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
I had the distinct honor and pleasure of meeting you
in Palm Beach and having a conversation about your clothing.
And I have since learned that my wife does in
fact own your clothing. I was not aware of that
at the time, So yes, you were right when you said,
I bet your wife does own our clothing, and she
does you made the news this week xxx Y I
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believe is how you pronounce so xxxy athletics, which you
can find easily online. Talking about HR departments, Why did
you say that, you know.
Speaker 9 (17:09):
Michael, it's so funny. I said it at a conference.
It was a libertarian conference called Freedom Fest. It wasn't
the topic of the conversation. The topic of the conversation
was about how brands and businesses can influence cultural conversations.
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And it was sort of a throwaway line. I've been
saying it for years that I don't want HR. That HR.
You know, while they used to represent you know, they
used to be a support function. They handle payroll and
benefits and all that operational seting me. And they've become
these officious home monitors over the years, and it's happened
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over the last I would say, ten to twenty years.
And they enforce a certain compliance. They don't make anything.
They I think diminish innovation and creativity because employees become
afraid to speak that they might be you know, say
the wrong thing and quote unquote get in trouble with HR.
This is bad for business. And so as a startup
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I get to run my business the way I want
to run it, and I'm not going to have people
that do that that inhibit creativity. So that's why I said,
I want no HR. It's a giant cost center that
adds nothing to the top line, have no new products,
no new marketing, nothing, So we'll do just fine without HR.
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And I cannot believe there's thoughts that it got.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
It's insane.
Speaker 9 (18:39):
Apparently a lot of people agree with me.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
You know, it's interesting. I look at what Mike Lindell
has done selling pillows. He could have sold anything else.
He became the face of a company and a person
that tapped into a certain mindset and he sold a
lot of products because of it. Steve Jobs really made
us in vest emotionally into this little thing he held
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in his hand that technologically delivered, and it had to
or they wouldn't have made it. But he caught our
attention because he had a vision and because he was
saying things that appealed to us. And I think what's
happening is as the founder and CEO of XXXY Athletics,
people are saying, Okay, here's a person who came from
a corporate background who really understands the frustration we all have,
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and she's giving voice to that for folks who don't know.
Catch people up to speed on how you first came
to my attention and your background with Levi O Strauss
and how that ended.
Speaker 9 (19:39):
Yeah, I worked in corporate America, not just it Levi's
but other places as well, but certainly Levi's for the longest,
for over thirty years. I would consider myself a brand
builder and I love that work, and I love making
products that people want to wear and marketing that they
find inspirational. Building brands. I mean your reference to Apple,
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it's such a great one, you know, one of the
greatest brands in the world, and you think about the
category it existed in, which was this sort of boring
you know, before Apple, it was just boring.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
It was all about.
Speaker 9 (20:14):
Efficiency and there was no style, there was no emotion
to it. And he built this brand that was based
on creativity not efficiency, you know, and that has changed
the way we all live. Really. It's quite fascinating to me.
And I think one of the observations that I have
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had over the last you know, five to ten years,
is the Left has really taken over corporations and brand building,
and they're sort of smuggling these ideas into the culture.
And unless we sort of take back some of the
cultural artifacts and influence people their hearts and minds, I
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don't think we have any chance of returning sanity to
the masses to people because these terrible ideas get kind
of smuggled into the culture, not just through art, but
through brands as well. That was my inspiration for starting
Exxxy Athletics that I spent thirty years in corporate America,
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twenty three of them at Levi's. I climbed the corporate
ladder from assistant marketing manager all the way up to
brand president. I was very outspoken during COVID about lockdowns
and the harms to children from school closures in particularly
right I did that in San Francis. I was indeed
right about that, and I was also nice and very diplomatic,
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because I'm not super like in your faith person. I
thought if I presented data and was sort of just direct,
but you know, not, Ragie, that's not my that's not
my style. But that didn't go great in San Francisco
for me. And you know, ironically, I'm the only probably
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executive in all of the San Francis go that actually
was sending her kids to two public schools, and so
you know, Fleet in San Francisco was raging at me
that I can't say these things. Meanwhile, they're sending their
children to in person private schools because the private schools
did in fact open in the fall of twenty twenty.
So they're paying seventy thousand dollars a year to send
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their kids to private school and telling the rest of
us we're not allowed to have the same thing, including
the sixty percent low income students in San Francisco. To
that hypocrisy just enraged me and it didn't go great
for me in San Francisco. I ended up moving. People
were txing me and publishing my address online and chasing
me down the street and all kinds of terrible things,
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and it was certainly tough at work, and I ended
up resigning after moving in the spring of twenty twenty two.
And as I started, I took a little break and
I started to interview for jobs again because I have
to work from the breadwinner in my family. And I
had some very pleasant interactions with HR which cemented my views.
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I actually went through an interview process with an eight
billion dollar retailer, very big retailer, went through ten rounds
of interviews something like that to be the CEO. The
last person was the HR lady, and in the summer
of twenty twenty three she said to me, her first
question is will you apologize for what you've done? Wow?
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Wow, which was.
Speaker 9 (23:28):
Say public school should be open? Yeah, I said no,
I was right about everything. Why would I apologize?
Speaker 13 (23:39):
So I didn't get the job, as you might imagine then,
And of course that informs your opinion of HR in
any of us who have ever had that person in
HR who stifles creativity, who stifles in a spree de corps.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
There can be no jokes, there can be no pranks,
there can be no laughing, there can be no kidding.
Everything must be so serious and reviewed under a microscope
and miserable. Jennifer Say is our guest. Her company is
xx x Y Athletics work.
Speaker 12 (24:13):
But I'm reminded of someone proverb now quoted by Sheila Jackson.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Leans us I the Michael Berry Show. You're talking to
Jennifer Say, who was a longtime corporate leader at Levi Strauss.
She has created the company xx x Y Athletics. She
is portrayed as this you know, zany woman out there
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who is so right wing, but in fact she's just
a tiny little thing. I met her a few weeks
ago in Palm Beach, and she's a former US Gymnastics
National Championship competitor. She was in nineteen in the mid eighties.
It's an incredible background. I used to go to Sunday
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School with Mary lou Rettin, and so I would put
you about on the same frame as Mary lou Rehttin.
Those tiny little things and yet such a spark plug.
How much of who you are today goes back to
your gymnastics background.
Speaker 9 (25:18):
So much. I mean, that's why I want to protect
the opportunity to compete, play and win in sports for
young girls on an even playing field. I would say
I was probably born a very determined and disciplined person.
I think my dad would agree with that. I think
I was difficult child the parent because I was so determined.
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I just want to do gymnastics all the time. I
always wanted to go to a better gym. But those
qualities were certainly shaped and honed in gymnastics because it worked.
The harder I work, the more disciplined, the more perseverance
the better I did. You know, I made my first
national team at about ten years old. I just wanted
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to keep moving up in the rankings. Now, there's a
lot of bad stuff in gymnastics. There's a lot of abuse,
and I've written my first book was about that, that
stuff we could set aside. I mean, certainly I wish
that had not been my experience in the sport, but
there's so much good that happened, and I think that
it just makes me a person fit and resilience. And
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I keep trying, I fall down, I fail, I keep going,
And isn't this what we want for our children? This
is what's sports. I don't think we care that much
if they win gold medals. We want them to have
that training as young people so that they can be
successful adults. And when we no longer protect women's sports
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as being for women only and they don't have that
even playing field, you know, I believe over time girls
will stop playing because why would you? And then we've
cut off not just their opportunity to experience that joy
in sports, but that sort of sport to leadership pipeline
that I think I benefited from. And so that's why
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I care so much about about this and really empowering
female athletes. And I think the thing that's most grotesque
to me about the situation that we're in right now
where you have male feelings girls and women's opportunities and
meddled is if they dare stand up for themselves, they
are just smeared and vilified. Any warning shot is sent
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to every other little girl that she's better not stand
up for herself. She's better let that boy have what
he wants because his feelings matter more than her rights.
And that is what's so distasteful to me as someone
that would still call myself a feminist. Haven't we been
wanting our daughters to believe they can do anything? Yes, yes,
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I want my daughter she dates.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
I got to tell you because of the world you
come out of, which was originally jimastics. To see Simone
Biles go after Riley Gaines in the way she did,
and she got a real SmackDown from I think that
was a real wake up call to Simone Biles. Oh yeah,
we're on the wrong side of this issue. On the
issue of gymnastics. You were one of the producers of
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a movie called athlete A which won an Emmy for
twenty twenty Outstanding Investigative Documentary. It was a documentary on
Larry Nasser and the sexual abuse scandal at USA Gymnastics.
How did that happen? How was that allowed to happen?
Speaker 9 (28:37):
The sport viewed the athletes as mere coggs, not as
human beings, and treated them.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Horribly.
Speaker 9 (28:48):
I mean, one of the things I wanted to make
clear in the movie is Larry Nasser was not won
that apple. The entire sport treats these young girls as
cogs and a wheel meant to make money for USA
Gymnastics and the US Olympic Committee. They are treated with
zero humanity. They are emotionally and physically abused, and that
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sets the stage for the sexual abuse. And then these
sports governing bodies, these organizations like USA Gymnastics, the USOPC,
they cover up any abuse because they are trying to
burnish an image in gymnastics any way of happy, shiny
little pixies. That's what brings in the sponsorship dollars and
pays the high salaries of the leaders at these sport
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governing bodies. The sport governing bodies will never do the
right thing. They will do the cowardly thing that they
think presents the image that the public wants, which is
why they're not going to stand up to protect women's
sports and girls' sports until the public makes their views known.
Eighty percent of the public, eighty percent of Americans agree
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with you and with me, because it's like a normal
thing to think girls sports to see for girls only.
But the vast majority of those are silent, and so
these governing bodies are catering to the very loud, woke minority.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Jennifer says, that's how it happened.
Speaker 9 (30:14):
No protecting.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Polo Texas for able to occur, as for good people
to do nothing. To quote Burke, the company is called
xx x y Athletics, of which she is the founder
in CEO. A Stanford grad, a gymnastics standout, I wanted
to get to writing because I always asked this question.
You wrote a book called Chalked Up, your autobiography of
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your time as an elite gymnast, and when you left
Levi's you published in late twenty twenty two Levi's Unbuttoned.
The Woke Mob took my job, but gave me my
voice about your time there and how the woke mob
came after you take about a minute and a half
if you would and talk about the writing process for you,
because I always encourage people to do this. When do
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you write, how do you write? How do you structure?
Speaker 9 (31:05):
That's so that's such a great question. Well, I would
say with both of the books I've written, it was
almost like a fever dream. I had an idea and
I had to write it. You know. When I wrote
Chalked Up, my first book, I'd never really written much
of anything besides the college paper. But I had an idea.
I knew the tone of voice, I knew the storyline,
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and I sat down and wrote it early mornings, late
at night because I was working a full time job
with LEVI'SU Button. That was my full time job. But
I wrote them both in about three months. I write
regularly on my own substuck. I write appas all the time.
I don't know, I just enjoy it. I have an
idea and then it's just like this compulsion that I
have to get it out.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
It's cathartic. Yeah, what's the book you have.
Speaker 9 (31:55):
The success of XXA athletics?
Speaker 1 (32:01):
What is your number close with? What is your number
one selling item and what kind of I got about
forty five seconds left. What would you? Who is the
prime customer? Why does somebody want to buy xxxy athletics?
Speaker 9 (32:18):
The number one selling item is a logo key. It's
black with a green logo. We offerate for men and
for women. The number one selling customer is a woman
who did sports in college and was a beneficiary of
Title nine and wants that same opportunity for her daughter.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
For you, Jennifer, say you're amazing. Keep doing what you're doing.
Love to have you back.
Speaker 9 (32:43):
Thanks so much, Michael,
It's that time. Time, time, time, luck and load. So
Michael Very Show is on the air.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
All right, you guys, let's listen up.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
We won a game yesterday.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
If we win one today, that's two.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
In a row.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
We win one tomorrow, that's called a winning streak.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
It has happened before. So let's see some hustle. Let's
jug it up a little.
Speaker 5 (00:34):
I got a feeling things we're about to turn around
for us.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
So win with every single facet. We're gonna win so much.
You may even get tired of winning, and you'll say, please, please,
it's too much winning.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
We can't take.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
It anymore, mister President, It's too much, and I'll say, no.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
It isn't.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
We have to keep winning. We have to win more.
We're gonna win more. We're gonna win so much.
Speaker 6 (00:59):
We've regained our stride, we discovered our spirit. America is thriving,
America is flourishing, and yes, America is winning again like
never before.
Speaker 7 (01:11):
The task before us will not be easy, but I
will bring every ounce of energy, spirit and fighting that
I have in my soul to the job that you've
entrusted to me.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
This is a great job.
Speaker 8 (01:26):
There's no job like this this is the most important
job in the world, just as I did it my
first term. We had a great first term, a great,
great first term. I will govern by a simple motto.
Speaker 6 (01:41):
Promises made, promises kept.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
We're going to keep our promises. Big beautiful bill passed
today after quite a bit of drama, with some Republicans
saying they wouldn't support it, and it ended up fifty
one to forty nine. It will be interesting as the
stories continue to emerge as to how the deals were
(02:05):
cut behind the scenes, but for now the bill has passed.
The Reverend Jimmy Swaggert, one of the most famous televangelists
of all time, has passed at ninety years old, based
in Baton Rouge. Obviously folks know of his struggles and
(02:28):
the scandals, but that was a life of a Grammy
nomination over fifty albums, I think fifteen books, or do
I get those two mixed up? I read earlier a
very prolific evangelist, Pentecostal evangelists and one of three cousins
(02:50):
Jerry Lee Lewis, Mickey Gilly and Jimmy Swaggert, all three
of them becoming extraordinarily successful, with the common theme being music.
But each in their own realm, in their own way,
a life well lived. And the third of those cousins
(03:11):
from Faraday, Louisiana to pass President enjoying a great victory
today with the big beautiful Bill, the megabill as some
called it, passing fifty one forty nine. I think he
probably did some arm breaking to get there. He toured
(03:32):
the alligator Alcatraz today, which you know. DeSantis I think
has learned from Trump, and Republicans needed to learn from
Trump that you've got to have some showmanship to what
you do. Trump's leadership of celebrity apprentice from everything I've read,
(04:00):
is that Trump really drove that ship. He wasn't just
the star of the show. He understood the dramatic flair.
There is something to be said for the dramatic flair
in great leaders Napoleon had it, for instance, Churchill had it,
(04:23):
for instance, MacArthur had it. John F. Kennedy had it,
Reagan had it. The understanding of the moment and the
measure of the moment for flair for something the public
can sink their teeth into. And I think DeSantis his
(04:49):
run against Trump certainly hurt him. There's no way around that.
And it made it made the Trump loyalists ustful of
him for that, even though he got out of the
race pretty early. But DeSantis is a guy, in my opinion,
who still has a future in politics, and we should
(05:12):
keep him in politics. He has shown himself to be
a very good leader, and regardless what he did at
that moment, I think that there is a place for
Ron De Santis in future leadership in this country. I
think the alligator Alcatraz is one of the most inspired
(05:33):
things I've seen in a very, very long time. It's
pretty glorious. Another story of Chinese nationals caught after a
ten thousand dollars cash drop in what's being called a
covert military operation of further espionage. How long until we
(05:59):
understand that China is sending people to this country, into
our corporate environments, into our military, into our universities, into
our schools, and they are spying on us, and we
keep catching them. From Diane Feinstein's driver to the people
(06:19):
paying bribes to Hunter Biden to now this is the
most recent. You know, we had a case in Houston
a few years ago during COVID where it was discovered
that they were stealing secrets from the Texas Medical Center,
the finest medical center in the world, and they were
stealing secrets as to how we were treating COVID, and
(06:43):
so once that was understood, they began burning the documents
at the consular office in Houston. Smoke was billowing up
out of the courtyard of the facility as the Feds
were trying to knock down the doors to get inside.
They were burning the documents that were proof of what
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they had done. This is this is the Michael Verie Show.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Yeah, that's the one there, you know.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
I n s let's kick it all right, stop collaborate
and listen. I was back with a brand new chantyport
aliens daily. Put them in a catafold watch the fly away.
We won't ever stop. Hell no, only we'd this fantas
(07:41):
stuff we know is audios to the extreme. Kick them out.
Things to home, and if you're here illegally, you gotta go.
Man first, it's the violin of fittitors can't ban those
you best, so the best minor infractions. If you resist,
end of contraction.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
We love it.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
You're leaving home and don't lay you better hit the road.
Jack Couldrif you are a problem, Trump just solved at
the border. In the door that's revolving, Nice my Spain,
trom over us my Spain head, Tom.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Over us my Spain Domice, my Spain.
Speaker 9 (08:18):
Tom Over, I want to go. I is coming.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
I prefer I say, is coming? Really lie my lie?
Nice is coming?
Speaker 4 (08:30):
USA is coming.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
I've been here three years.
Speaker 10 (08:36):
Nice is coming.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Joe Biden say he's hold mine and he's a liar.
Speaker 10 (08:42):
I got e b t car, I say is coming,
and the three I'm fall here my phone man, I
my spam, tom over Nice, Nice.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Prom all in Nice my Spain.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Tom holding Ice.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Americans want our nation to be safe. Americans want illegal
aliens deported. It's just that simple. The Democrats and their
media are using law fare and every means possible, legal
or not sanctuary cities to fight us on this. But
(09:35):
the American people are clear and for once, we have
a leadership team willing to do something about it. So
the deportation raids continue. And CNN injected themselves into this situation.
They spent a segment promoting an app on your phone
(09:56):
that would track ICE. It would allow you users to
mark the location of ICE agents when they see them.
Then other users who are who are here illegally would
know what part of town to avoid. It sounds to
me like aiding and abetting criminal activity. Here's the story.
Speaker 11 (10:18):
One tech developer is pushing back with an app designed
to track ice activity in real time. It's called ice Block,
and it's controversial, to say the least. Saint Claire Duffy
is with us. Now, how does this work, Claire and
what are the legal implications?
Speaker 12 (10:34):
Yeah, John, I talked with Joshua Aaron, who is the
longtime tech worker who developed this platform, and he said
he really wants it to be an early warning system
for people about the location of immigrations and customs enforcement officers.
So he says he does not want people interfering with
those officers' activity, but he does want people to be
able to avoid them altogether if they want.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
So.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
You open the app.
Speaker 12 (10:55):
It looks like a map and users can tap the
map to report and ice sighting in their area, and
then everybody who uses the platform within five miles of
that siting will get a push alert. This is a
free iPhone app. It is anonymous. Aeron says he doesn't
collect any user data. And what I think is really
interesting about this in this moment is we've seen so
many of the biggest leaders in tech supporting President Trump,
(11:17):
but Aaron is sort of an example of the fact
that there are people within the tech industry who are
really resistant to Trump's policies. I asked him what he
would say to those tech leaders who, for example, were
at the inauguration.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Here's what he told me.
Speaker 9 (11:28):
Take a listen.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
I understand that you have shared holders to report to you.
Speaker 13 (11:32):
I understand that you have employees that need their paychecks.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
But at what point do you say enough is enough?
Speaker 12 (11:40):
And John, I should say that I did not respond
when I asked them about this platform and about Aaron's
opposition to their activity.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Who did respond? Because what they're really doing is they're
promoting the app so that people will use it, and
they think they're being cute by reporting on it as well,
here's this controversial thing, and here's how you use it,
and here's how it'll protect you. The borders are. Tom
(12:11):
Holman was on Fox News and he called on the
Department of Justice to investigate whether or not CNN broke
the law when they basically promoted the ice tracking app.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
This is simply disgusting, and any network that covers. That
is disgusting as well. So I'm over and DOJ steps
in here and see if they crossed that line. I'm
compeding federal lawenforcement ofshers. Look, Laurs, you're not talking about
this assault again. SIS is up over five percent. Now
you've got an app. It's going to tell where ICE
operators are going to be. It's only a matter of
time where ICE ages are ambushed by some nut like
(12:44):
what happened in la throwing them out top cocktail, throwing
bricks and these officers. This is just disgusting at every level.
So I hope DOJ dives in this deeply because you
know ICE is contrant on public safe the crets and
national security dreads. This shouldn't be a part ofan issue.
There shouldn't be an issue anybody's is against. So they're
already a dangerous jibe going after the worst, the worst.
These guys are putting their lives on the line every day,
(13:05):
going after the worst and worst interna security threat, and
this app makes it that much more dangerous. It's incredible
that those enforced law all of a sudden, the bad
guys wanted to break the law. They're victims. It's disgusting.
Why I was seeing in promote this? Why would they
do a story on this? I can't figure it out.
I've I've been doing this for four decades. I've never
seen anything like this in my life. You know, it's
(13:26):
got to be they hate Trump more than love law
enforcement or I can't figure it out, but something needs
to be done. I mean, you advertise this guy's app
on a national TV network. This is going to bring
more followers, sick followers to the app.
Speaker 10 (13:40):
And use it.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Carolyn Levitt, the White House Press Secretary, said that if
you said yesterday that if the Big Beautiful Bill passed,
and it has passed the Senate and it will now
go to the House for reconciliation to work out the
differences the two versions, that one point four million illegals
would be kicked off of META. Why would illegal aliens
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be getting a government benefit in this country when we
can't take care of Americans.
Speaker 14 (14:08):
Here's what she had to say, cutting out the waste
front and abuse, as well as getting one point four
million illegal aliens off of the program, So all of
those measures are actually going to protect it for those
who need it. That's the President's position, and that's what
this bill does, and that's why Republicans need to vote
for it.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
It's very important for Americans to understand that the cost
of illegal immigration is born more heavily by some than others.
If you are Jeff Besos spending, however many million dollars
on your wedding, living behind big gates with your own
(14:46):
security force, you're not going to suffer the cost of
illegal aliens. If you're the working man who's got a
twelve hour wait when you go to the hospital because
illegals are lined up in front of you because they
don't they don't go by insurance. If you're a victim
of crime because you don't have your own private security
force or gates around your home, if you're side swiped
(15:10):
or hit by a drunk driver, that's an illegal alien
and they have no insurance to cover, and now you
can't cover your own cost, you bear the cost of
illegal immigration. It's very important to understand that for all
the argument of well, your cabbage will be cheaper, and
who will pick up our plates and who will mow
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our lawn, there is a cost that is being born.
It is a wealth redistribution away from the working class
toward the rich so that they will have cheap slaves.
That's what it's a show. Jennifer Say has been in
the news the last couple of weeks when she made
the statement that she wanted to not have an HR department.
(15:55):
She is the founder of a women's sportswear company called
xx x Y. But she came to our attention originally
when she was a senior executive. I think she was
a chief marketing officer of Levi Strauss and she didn't
play by the corporate rules. She has really made a
(16:16):
name for herself the last couple of years as somebody
with truly independent thought that represents what the vast majority
of Americans believe and want in our companies, but seems
to be alien in corporate culture. She's our guest, Jennifer,
Welcome to the program.
Speaker 9 (16:34):
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
I had the distinct honor and pleasure of meeting you
in Palm Beach and having a conversation about your clothing.
And I have since learned that my wife does in
fact own your clothing. I was not aware of that
at the time, So yes, you were right when you said,
I bet your wife does own our clothing, and she
does you made the news this week xxx Y I
(16:59):
believe is how you pronounce so xxxy athletics, which you
can find easily online. Talking about HR departments, Why did
you say that, you know.
Speaker 9 (17:09):
Michael, it's so funny. I said it at a conference.
It was a libertarian conference called Freedom Fest. It wasn't
the topic of the conversation. The topic of the conversation
was about how brands and businesses can influence cultural conversations.
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And it was sort of a throwaway line. I've been
saying it for years that I don't want HR. That HR.
You know, while they used to represent you know, they
used to be a support function. They handle payroll and
benefits and all that operational seting me. And they've become
these officious home monitors over the years, and it's happened
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over the last I would say, ten to twenty years.
And they enforce a certain compliance. They don't make anything.
They I think diminish innovation and creativity because employees become
afraid to speak that they might be you know, say
the wrong thing and quote unquote get in trouble with HR.
This is bad for business. And so as a startup
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I get to run my business the way I want
to run it, and I'm not going to have people
that do that that inhibit creativity. So that's why I said,
I want no HR. It's a giant cost center that
adds nothing to the top line, have no new products,
no new marketing, nothing, So we'll do just fine without HR.
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And I cannot believe there's thoughts that it got.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
It's insane.
Speaker 9 (18:39):
Apparently a lot of people agree with me.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
You know, it's interesting. I look at what Mike Lindell
has done selling pillows. He could have sold anything else.
He became the face of a company and a person
that tapped into a certain mindset and he sold a
lot of products because of it. Steve Jobs really made
us in vest emotionally into this little thing he held
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in his hand that technologically delivered, and it had to
or they wouldn't have made it. But he caught our
attention because he had a vision and because he was
saying things that appealed to us. And I think what's
happening is as the founder and CEO of XXXY Athletics,
people are saying, Okay, here's a person who came from
a corporate background who really understands the frustration we all have,
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and she's giving voice to that for folks who don't know.
Catch people up to speed on how you first came
to my attention and your background with Levi O Strauss
and how that ended.
Speaker 9 (19:39):
Yeah, I worked in corporate America, not just it Levi's
but other places as well, but certainly Levi's for the longest,
for over thirty years. I would consider myself a brand
builder and I love that work, and I love making
products that people want to wear and marketing that they
find inspirational. Building brands. I mean your reference to Apple,
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it's such a great one, you know, one of the
greatest brands in the world, and you think about the
category it existed in, which was this sort of boring
you know, before Apple, it was just boring.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
It was all about.
Speaker 9 (20:14):
Efficiency and there was no style, there was no emotion
to it. And he built this brand that was based
on creativity not efficiency, you know, and that has changed
the way we all live. Really. It's quite fascinating to me.
And I think one of the observations that I have
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had over the last you know, five to ten years,
is the Left has really taken over corporations and brand building,
and they're sort of smuggling these ideas into the culture.
And unless we sort of take back some of the
cultural artifacts and influence people their hearts and minds, I
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don't think we have any chance of returning sanity to
the masses to people because these terrible ideas get kind
of smuggled into the culture, not just through art, but
through brands as well. That was my inspiration for starting
Exxxy Athletics that I spent thirty years in corporate America,
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twenty three of them at Levi's. I climbed the corporate
ladder from assistant marketing manager all the way up to
brand president. I was very outspoken during COVID about lockdowns
and the harms to children from school closures in particularly
right I did that in San Francis. I was indeed
right about that, and I was also nice and very diplomatic,
(21:36):
because I'm not super like in your faith person. I
thought if I presented data and was sort of just direct,
but you know, not, Ragie, that's not my that's not
my style. But that didn't go great in San Francisco
for me. And you know, ironically, I'm the only probably
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executive in all of the San Francis go that actually
was sending her kids to two public schools, and so
you know, Fleet in San Francisco was raging at me
that I can't say these things. Meanwhile, they're sending their
children to in person private schools because the private schools
did in fact open in the fall of twenty twenty.
So they're paying seventy thousand dollars a year to send
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their kids to private school and telling the rest of
us we're not allowed to have the same thing, including
the sixty percent low income students in San Francisco. To
that hypocrisy just enraged me and it didn't go great
for me in San Francisco. I ended up moving. People
were txing me and publishing my address online and chasing
me down the street and all kinds of terrible things,
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and it was certainly tough at work, and I ended
up resigning after moving in the spring of twenty twenty two.
And as I started, I took a little break and
I started to interview for jobs again because I have
to work from the breadwinner in my family. And I
had some very pleasant interactions with HR which cemented my views.
(23:05):
I actually went through an interview process with an eight
billion dollar retailer, very big retailer, went through ten rounds
of interviews something like that to be the CEO. The
last person was the HR lady, and in the summer
of twenty twenty three she said to me, her first
question is will you apologize for what you've done? Wow?
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Wow, which was.
Speaker 9 (23:28):
Say public school should be open? Yeah, I said no,
I was right about everything. Why would I apologize?
Speaker 13 (23:39):
So I didn't get the job, as you might imagine then,
And of course that informs your opinion of HR in
any of us who have ever had that person in
HR who stifles creativity, who stifles in a spree de corps.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
There can be no jokes, there can be no pranks,
there can be no laughing, there can be no kidding.
Everything must be so serious and reviewed under a microscope
and miserable. Jennifer Say is our guest. Her company is
xx x Y Athletics work.
Speaker 12 (24:13):
But I'm reminded of someone proverb now quoted by Sheila Jackson.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Leans us I the Michael Berry Show. You're talking to
Jennifer Say, who was a longtime corporate leader at Levi Strauss.
She has created the company xx x Y Athletics. She
is portrayed as this you know, zany woman out there
(24:39):
who is so right wing, but in fact she's just
a tiny little thing. I met her a few weeks
ago in Palm Beach, and she's a former US Gymnastics
National Championship competitor. She was in nineteen in the mid eighties.
It's an incredible background. I used to go to Sunday
(25:00):
School with Mary lou Rettin, and so I would put
you about on the same frame as Mary lou Rehttin.
Those tiny little things and yet such a spark plug.
How much of who you are today goes back to
your gymnastics background.
Speaker 9 (25:18):
So much. I mean, that's why I want to protect
the opportunity to compete, play and win in sports for
young girls on an even playing field. I would say
I was probably born a very determined and disciplined person.
I think my dad would agree with that. I think
I was difficult child the parent because I was so determined.
(25:41):
I just want to do gymnastics all the time. I
always wanted to go to a better gym. But those
qualities were certainly shaped and honed in gymnastics because it worked.
The harder I work, the more disciplined, the more perseverance
the better I did. You know, I made my first
national team at about ten years old. I just wanted
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to keep moving up in the rankings. Now, there's a
lot of bad stuff in gymnastics. There's a lot of abuse,
and I've written my first book was about that, that
stuff we could set aside. I mean, certainly I wish
that had not been my experience in the sport, but
there's so much good that happened, and I think that
it just makes me a person fit and resilience. And
(26:26):
I keep trying, I fall down, I fail, I keep going,
And isn't this what we want for our children? This
is what's sports. I don't think we care that much
if they win gold medals. We want them to have
that training as young people so that they can be
successful adults. And when we no longer protect women's sports
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as being for women only and they don't have that
even playing field, you know, I believe over time girls
will stop playing because why would you? And then we've
cut off not just their opportunity to experience that joy
in sports, but that sort of sport to leadership pipeline
that I think I benefited from. And so that's why
(27:08):
I care so much about about this and really empowering
female athletes. And I think the thing that's most grotesque
to me about the situation that we're in right now
where you have male feelings girls and women's opportunities and
meddled is if they dare stand up for themselves, they
are just smeared and vilified. Any warning shot is sent
(27:31):
to every other little girl that she's better not stand
up for herself. She's better let that boy have what
he wants because his feelings matter more than her rights.
And that is what's so distasteful to me as someone
that would still call myself a feminist. Haven't we been
wanting our daughters to believe they can do anything? Yes, yes,
(27:54):
I want my daughter she dates.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
I got to tell you because of the world you
come out of, which was originally jimastics. To see Simone
Biles go after Riley Gaines in the way she did,
and she got a real SmackDown from I think that
was a real wake up call to Simone Biles. Oh yeah,
we're on the wrong side of this issue. On the
issue of gymnastics. You were one of the producers of
(28:17):
a movie called athlete A which won an Emmy for
twenty twenty Outstanding Investigative Documentary. It was a documentary on
Larry Nasser and the sexual abuse scandal at USA Gymnastics.
How did that happen? How was that allowed to happen?
Speaker 9 (28:37):
The sport viewed the athletes as mere coggs, not as
human beings, and treated them.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Horribly.
Speaker 9 (28:48):
I mean, one of the things I wanted to make
clear in the movie is Larry Nasser was not won
that apple. The entire sport treats these young girls as
cogs and a wheel meant to make money for USA
Gymnastics and the US Olympic Committee. They are treated with
zero humanity. They are emotionally and physically abused, and that
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sets the stage for the sexual abuse. And then these
sports governing bodies, these organizations like USA Gymnastics, the USOPC,
they cover up any abuse because they are trying to
burnish an image in gymnastics any way of happy, shiny
little pixies. That's what brings in the sponsorship dollars and
pays the high salaries of the leaders at these sport
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governing bodies. The sport governing bodies will never do the
right thing. They will do the cowardly thing that they
think presents the image that the public wants, which is
why they're not going to stand up to protect women's
sports and girls' sports until the public makes their views known.
Eighty percent of the public, eighty percent of Americans agree
(29:56):
with you and with me, because it's like a normal
thing to think girls sports to see for girls only.
But the vast majority of those are silent, and so
these governing bodies are catering to the very loud, woke minority.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Jennifer says, that's how it happened.
Speaker 9 (30:14):
No protecting.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Polo Texas for able to occur, as for good people
to do nothing. To quote Burke, the company is called
xx x y Athletics, of which she is the founder
in CEO. A Stanford grad, a gymnastics standout, I wanted
to get to writing because I always asked this question.
You wrote a book called Chalked Up, your autobiography of
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your time as an elite gymnast, and when you left
Levi's you published in late twenty twenty two Levi's Unbuttoned.
The Woke Mob took my job, but gave me my
voice about your time there and how the woke mob
came after you take about a minute and a half
if you would and talk about the writing process for you,
because I always encourage people to do this. When do
(31:01):
you write, how do you write? How do you structure?
Speaker 9 (31:05):
That's so that's such a great question. Well, I would
say with both of the books I've written, it was
almost like a fever dream. I had an idea and
I had to write it. You know. When I wrote
Chalked Up, my first book, I'd never really written much
of anything besides the college paper. But I had an idea.
I knew the tone of voice, I knew the storyline,
(31:26):
and I sat down and wrote it early mornings, late
at night because I was working a full time job
with LEVI'SU Button. That was my full time job. But
I wrote them both in about three months. I write
regularly on my own substuck. I write appas all the time.
I don't know, I just enjoy it. I have an
idea and then it's just like this compulsion that I
have to get it out.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
It's cathartic. Yeah, what's the book you have.
Speaker 9 (31:55):
The success of XXA athletics?
Speaker 1 (32:01):
What is your number close with? What is your number
one selling item and what kind of I got about
forty five seconds left. What would you? Who is the
prime customer? Why does somebody want to buy xxxy athletics?
Speaker 9 (32:18):
The number one selling item is a logo key. It's
black with a green logo. We offerate for men and
for women. The number one selling customer is a woman
who did sports in college and was a beneficiary of
Title nine and wants that same opportunity for her daughter.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
For you, Jennifer, say you're amazing. Keep doing what you're doing.
Love to have you back.
Speaker 9 (32:43):
Thanks so much, Michael,
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