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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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Speaker 4 (01:28):
A Texas combat veteran This is clip number eighteen from
Chad's prep ramon Fox twenty six. A Texas combat veteran
with PTSD says his legally prescribed medical THCHC has cost
him some parental rights. So for everybody who wants to
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push people off of a product that's giving them relief
from a condition they developed in war oh July fourth,
the veterans, We'll love our veterans well, we need help,
and the only thing that's given us help is thhc Oh. Well,
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you need to go over here to this clinic and
pay more for it and fall into the system and
make the pharmaceutical companies rich that are supporting dan Patrick,
because we don't want you having that dreadful thing on
your own. You were able to make a decision in
command of a tank as to whether to.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Blow a village up.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
You were able to carry heavy artillery and make life
or death decisions wearing the uniform of our country. But
we don't really think you're capable of making decisions for
how to treat your own personal problems. Now, if you
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down a fifth a whiskey every day, we're all right
with that.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
But we can't let you.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Have these, these treats that give you relief so that
you can go to sleep every night like Mini Grandma's
and other people.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
We can't let you have that. You'll die. The story
from Fox twenty six.
Speaker 6 (03:14):
It's been illegal for doctors to prescribe Lodos TFC products
here in the state of Texas since twenty fifteen, and
many of the patients who take advantage are veterans, specifically
war vets like Robert.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
I deployed for a year in twenty ten and I
saw combat. When I came home, I brought that stress
with me, kind of always looking over my shoulder, not
really feeling safe.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
In any space.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
And then in twenty twenty one, I found a doctor
with the Kurt Act Compassionate Use Registry of Texas and
started taking Lodos THHC. It, along with the therapy and
the help that I got in the Ventance Court, changed
my life.
Speaker 6 (04:01):
The Kurt Act allows patients with certain conditions like Robert's
PTSD to get these THC prescriptions. He provided us a
documentation proving that his prescription is legit, but he says
even with this, it's causing him custody issues.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Over the course of the last three or four years,
I have my daughter on a weekly basis. There was
a December ninth, twenty twenty fourth order where I was
granted my overnight visits and I had one overnight with
my daughter when I tested positive for THHC. I submitted
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my prescription and there was a tro filed against me
and granted, and so I lost my overnights with my
daughter at that point.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
This bench order in the case states that the ruling
is due to the revelation of Robert's prescription and it
being a possible danger to the child. Do you feel
like you're having to choose between a medication that's helping
you regulate a disorder that you got while fighting for
your country and time with your daughter.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
I mean, that's exactly how I feel. But I don't
believe it to just be a feeling. I believe that
to be the reality of the situation. It's it's really
frustrating and upsetting, I would say more emotionally. It makes
me sad for my daughter. I don't I don't necessarily
believe that this is going to help my situation. But
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the knowledge and understanding, you know, may help somebody else,
and it may swagh some hearts and minds as far
as you know, as far as the stigma and the
view around this medication.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Oh well, just pour a fifth of whiskey over it,
like everybody else does. Ruin your liver, give yourself heart disease,
maybe have a stroke. That's perfectly legal because we're I'm
not scared of alcohol at all, But how dare you
use a natural herb for the treatment of a condition
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you developed serving this country and the very neocons. You know,
the neocons are funny people. They want to fight every war,
or they want you to fight every war. They're not
about to. They want to fight every war around the world.
Boots on the ground everywhere, all the time. And while
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you're providing boots on the ground. They're all open border
folks too. They want wide open borders it legals coming
into this country. Most of the neocons are open border folks,
and they are social conservatives on you after you're real
heroic while you're serving abroad. But when you come back,
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we will restrict every right you have so that you
feel like you live in Iran Afghanistan under the dictates
of the Mullah. So we'll give you all the ability
in the world to have the arsenal of democracy at
your fingertip while you're there. But when you come home,
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we'll tell you when to go to bed and how
you can self medicate, because we know better than you do.
You can self medicate with alcohol, that'd be fine, or
you can go to this clinic over here and have
a medical record out of it. Just don't use this
product that you can buy on your own, because you're
not able to make that decision for yourself. We'll make
it for you, because Lord knows, we've made all the
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best decisions, haven't we. By the way, we have a
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In addition to providing psychiatric care and an inpatient hospital,
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Speaker 1 (08:20):
But they do a lot of studies. The Michael Berry
Show is nichwide. I'm going to tell you a story.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
And you've got to put your own experience out of
your mind to appreciate how funny this story is the
only person in the country that did not watch Tiger
King on Netflix four years ago about Joe Exotic is
Ramon Roebless, But I didn't know that. How do you
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not watch Tiger King? I mean it was awesome. It
was so messy, so nasty, so vile. You had to
watch it, you couldn't turn away. Well I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
He hadn't.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
So Joe Exotic as he's known, was scheduled to be
on the phone with us. We do the interview, the discussion.
I don't like the word interview. We have a discussion.
I think interviews are boring. Well, welcome to the program, Joe. Well,
thanks for having me. Well, we're glad to have you.
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And then you unwind it at the end, Well, thank
you for being It's a been a row pleasure to
have you. I think it's more fun to have a
conversation and discussion. So anyway, we hang up and Ramone goes.
I said, how was he different than you thought? He said,
I didn't know he was gay. It was pretty clear
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on the show he's gay. And he said, I didn't
watch the show. And then all of a sudden it
hit me, Oh this must have been I said, well,
what did you think? He goes. All I had seen
was the front cover of the Netflix thing. I thought
it was some redneck that you know that bottle bleached
his hair. But you know, he's every picture I see
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of him. He's got a pistol hanging on his hip,
he's got a handlebar mustache. I mean, he's a redneck
who handles tigers. He's a badass. He's a macho man.
I said. And then what he said, well, I picked
up and I thought it was a joke because he says, hello, Ramone, Yeah,
this is jo Exotic.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Carmone said, it's funny, that's real funny. I'm ready for
my interview.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
So imagine Ramone's mindset. Imagine you're in a position that
you know nothing of what you know everything about, and
you're Ramone and you're about to talk to this John
Wayne tiger tamer right, badass dude, it's in prison.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
He got to mustache, he's tough.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
It looks like good's gossage, but he acts like John
Wayne and instead he sounds like boy George.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Yeah, it was pretty good stuff. I must have met.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
That was pretty good stuff, that interview, that conversation. Sorry,
we'll be coming up in just a few moments. Janet,
You're on the Michael Berry Show. Go ahead, Sweethart.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yoah morning, good morning.
Speaker 7 (11:30):
I have a couple of thanks, say thank you to say.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
It's the first thing I have to say.
Speaker 7 (11:34):
I'm gonna check your memory. Do you remember about a
month and a half ago with the Pasadena lection was
going on and we talked. That's the first time I
talked to you.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
This call is from a federal prison, and.
Speaker 7 (11:51):
So anyway, we got before it and oh, shoot, you
just made that funny sound. Okay, I have a question
for you. Okay, do you remember me?
Speaker 1 (12:07):
No?
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Oh, I I don't know what what to remember you about.
I had a number of people who called up about
the election and the name Janet.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
I don't I.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Don't something there something about the call that I would remember.
People do this all the time, and I just know
the feelings. I just I don't remember.
Speaker 7 (12:29):
Yeah, what I called Ramon Inswer the phone and I
said hush sugar that I put on hold, and uh,
you apparently heard it or something.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
I don't know if you can hear.
Speaker 7 (12:40):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
But I was.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Calling at the wrong time.
Speaker 7 (12:43):
I don't know how I got through anyways, but you
decided you'd go ahead and talk to me, and I
was talking to you about the Pacading election. It's not
about the election. I'm just saying if you remember me
this way, And you said, oh, yeah, I just talked
to the mayor of their pacity yesterday about some Republican stuff,
and I said, well, I think about that part of it.
But I said yeah. I said, I'm working on the
election with Rex, and I just wanted to let you
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know that I listen to your show every day. And
then you got into the elections. Take I didn't do that.
You did that, so you don't remember that.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Not really?
Speaker 7 (13:16):
I okay, it's okay.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Well, I kind of regret the call. I kindo the call.
I kind of regret the whole thing. If I'm completely honest,
I do make mistakes. It's usually with the best of intentions.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
But here's what happened. What happened was I.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Got a message from a Republican Party activist and it was, hey,
municipal elections are coming up. We the grassroots have endorsed candidates,
and here's our list of candidates. We could really use
your help because these are nonpartisan racists. So the voters
who when you get outside the city of Houston, most
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of these communities, the voters a majority of Republican, but
they don't know who the Republican candid it is. So
the Republican Party has has issued endorsements and here's who
they are. So I just go down the list boo
boo boo boo boo boop. And I get to Pasadena
mayor Harris County Republican Party, which pasadenas in Harris County
mostly Uh, says Shinefeld. I don't know the person, good
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German name. Uh, he's running for mayor.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
This is who we support. Okay.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Well, then I get messages from friends of mine who
were involved in in Pasadena government, and I called Mayor Wagner,
who I've known for a long time, and I said, Hey,
who are you for?
Speaker 1 (14:39):
And he said Rex?
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Remember Rex, he came to your house.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
One time with me.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Uh. And he sent me a photo and I said, oh,
I didn't know that guy's running for mayor. Okay, whatever,
I like, Jeff Wagner.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
You know what Rex? Vote for? Rex? I don't know. Well,
then both.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
Sides were saying that I was supporting them for this
reason or that reason, and I just pulled back and
stopped talking about it all together.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
And that's where I left it.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
And Shanefeld ended up winning the election, and I think,
based on what I've heard, more of our listeners supported
Shanefeld than Rex.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
I'm I'm glad the voters chose it. I should not.
I should not have.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Gone against what I originally said was the Republican Party's
choice in that race because I didn't have a good
basis for it.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
So they're like my mistake.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Chat Makanishi, Joe Exotic The Tiger King coming up, Michael
Very Show.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
The Tiger King.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Joe Exotic is our guest. We had to work hard
to make this happen, and I am delighted to have
you on.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Welcome Joe.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Hey, I appreciate you having me, sir.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Four years ago, you were the top Netflix video. The
whole country became aware of your story, and then Carol
Baskin gets you sent to prison, and you're trying to
get out. Tell me about what happened between the filming
of that film, that video and today. Catch us up
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to speed.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Okay, Well, first of all, a lot of people don't
understand I've been in prison since September seventh of twenty eighteen.
I didn't film for Tiger King. Okay, back in the
day before they arrested me for all of this and
made Tiger King. I was filming my own reality show
at the zoo, so I had six tearabytes of never
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seen footage from the zoo that was scripted for a
reality show. And when they set me up and arrested
me for this, then my husband at the time sold
them that footage and that's what they used in Tiger King.
And then she left and left me in prison.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
So you tell you that, No, not.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Two point six million bucks he run off with. Yeah,
left me in here to beg for commissary. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
How did Netflix know about your story? How did they
know what was going on to know this was going
to be such a big deal.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Well, you know, I had a YouTube channel with fourteen
hundred plus videos on it, you know, and the whole
exotic animal world knew the feud between Carol and me
and Carol and all the other exotic animal people because
she wanted to be the sole person to have tigers
in America, you know. And it was all about pushing
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the Big Cat faifty act. And the producer Eric Good
of this call, it's from a federal prison. Tiger King
works for Pete the People for the Ethical treatment animals. Okay,
so they're all kind of tied in together to push
this bill. Well, for eleven years I fought that bill.
I testified from this House or testified from the Senate
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all over the United States and kept it from passing
because it's not about helping tigers. It's about they wanted
control to monopolize the income on tigers. So they made
us all out to be fools. They made me out
to be this big crackhead, uh that I'm not and
crazy because they used they used the scripted reality show
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to do this. Then they nicknamed the Big Faiety Act
the Tiger King Bill, and they got it passed and
Biden signed it into laws. So who is allowed to
have tigers in America now is only members of the
Global Federation Animal Sanctuaries, which is Carrol's organization. So they
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have all they have all of my cats now, you know,
in their places, and they're charging fifty bucks a piece
to see them, just like I was doing. So there's
you know, it didn't help the tigers, but you know,
I mean it's been hard. I'm fighting you know, prostate
cancer and lung cancer, and now I've got to do
a pet scan it's because they think the proftate cancer
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has moved to my ribs. You know, the food is
you can't stay healthy because they feed you the lowest
grade food that's on the planet. And you know it's
it's tough. It really is tough. But as far as
you know the inmates, I'm in a medical facility with
fourteen hundred people, you know, everything from high security people
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to camp people because it's a medical facility, and I
get along with everybody.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
You know, your case you're trying to get I don't
know if it's a presidential pardon. You're trying to get
out of prison, obviously, what is the basis of your case?
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Okay, Well, I have not seen Tiger King two, and
I've only seen Tiger King one about four months ago
when and the lawyers were allowed to bring it in
on a computer because we're working on a lawsuit. But
since then, you know, on Tiger King two, Jeff Lowed,
James Lauren Allen the hit Man all got on world
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television and admitted to perjury. And then Allen the hit Man,
the Government's hit man, went one step further, even on
world television and took him to the zoo and showed
him where he hit the murder weapon in the woods.
That their original plan was to kill me and put
me in prison. Didn't work to get my zoo, okay.
So then when Jeff took over the zoo and the
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Feds turned on him and took his animals away because
Carroll wasn't going to let him treat him, you know,
then it made him mad, okay, And they turned over
their cell phones to my attorneys. And now we have
the cell phones of James, Jeff, Lauren, and Allen and
they were recording the federal agents the entire time. The
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first thing he shouldn't do is hire crime, you know,
to do your dirty work. So we have seven hundred
phone recordings, videos, and everybody's text messages proven that the
federally just knew they were lying at my trial. They
actually helped them fabric fake text messages.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Carol Baskin seems to have been your nemesis and caused
you a lot of problems.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
What do people not know about her?
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Well, you know, our argument wasn't as big as TV
made it out to be. Okay. She had her YouTube channel,
she had her way of raising money, and she had
a website called nine to one animal abuse, and I
was her most wanted and she made millions off of
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convincing people that I was abusive to my animals because
I took baby tigers away from their mom and let
you play with them. Okay, well, I had Joeexotic TV
dot com and I made a lot of money getting
people convinced that she really did kill her husband, because
I truly did this day believe she killed her husband.
And you know, I was a police chief back in
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the day, so I didn't want to investigating. I have
her original diary, I have his original power of attorney.
I have everything, and I just got too close to
proven that she killed her husband, and she had to
shut me up. That's what this is really about. She
just had to shut Joe up because till you know,
she designed his pirate attorney first first first paragraph says,
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in case of my disappearance, put them in a power
of attorney. Okay, she designed it. It says she designed it.
She filed it two months before she reported missing to
make it a legal document. She's the one who declared him,
had him declared dead in a legal courtroom to collect
six million plus dollars. You know why has she not
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been charged with fraud. If she claims that he's still alive.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Why do you think that is what?
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I think? She just has more money in people's pockets
than you could ever imagine, because her son or her
brother was the sheriff at the time in Hillsborough, Florida
that investigated all of this.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
You know.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
The woman. All you have to do is get online Google.
Speaker 7 (23:23):
You know this calls from a federal prison.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
It donates lots of money to politicians to get them elected.
But you know Colonel Gotlakill wanted? Is she since then?
You know, gave all of her tigers to the sanctuary
she represents and they're taking care of them. She sold
Big Cat Rescue for nineteen and a half million dollars.
You know, she's rich. She's out there, she's doing what
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she wanted. She got exactly what she wanted. But I'm
asking you know, I'm on appeal for a new trial,
and I've been waiting three years. That's how slow this
system is. And I will win this new trial. If
they grant me new trial, They'll never take me back
to trial because all their witnesses have turned over their
cell phones and minute to perjury. So they have no
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case right and the government you've got to.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Get a new trial to get.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Them Michael Berry.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
You know, there are just certain things that capture our attention,
and I have found in a lifetime of study that
those involve conflict, controversy, personality. And sometimes we're fascinated by
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things that are so unlike the life we lead that
we don't want to lead the life of a serial killer,
or we don't want to lead the life of a
person engaged in a firefight in Vietnam, but we're really
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interested in what's going through that person's mind and through
that person's life. You know, I don't know how many
people want to be a chef like you know, Mario Batali,
the Iron Chef, or I don't know how many people
want to wanted to cook with Leagazi or Paul Prudon
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or any of these other very intense chefs. But I
think it's interesting to see their life. I don't know
how many people would would want to go through the
scars on the forearms that Anthony Bourdain had to earn
to get to the point where he could travel the
world and talk about food. And you know, I always
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thought he had such a fascinating life, and yet you
see that there was mental instability going back quite some time.
And then of course the taking of his own life.
Four years ago when Tiger King Joe Exotic was on Netflix,
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it was the only thing we talked about in the studio.
I mean, we talked about what was in the news.
But it was such a fascinating time for us and
our team talking through the various characters and the twists
and the turns they had as the show developed. And
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now we learn from Joe Exotic to Tiger King that
he wasn't even involved in that thing. He was in
prison three years before that thing ever hit the air.
Almost three million dollars were made by the selling of
the footage, and the Heat didn't get a penny of it.
He says, I mean, it really is quite a development
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because I think most people probably figure he's out and
about living large, living off the money, maybe promoting something else,
but in fact, uh, quite a distance from that. He's
in prison, battling cancer and will be for five more years.
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If the President doesn't grant him clemency, and if he does,
Joe Exotic, if he grants you, if a pardon tomorrow,
what would life look like for Joe Exotic.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Okay, first of all, I have nothing left. They took
my and you know, they destroyed my home, They took
my zoo. They sold on the clothes to museums and people,
and I have no clothes even But I have friends
out that they're going to help me get my clothes.
What am I going to do? I'm going to Mexico, man,
My husband is in Mexico. I'm going to go to Mexico.
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I'm going to use my platform to get back to
doing my charity work, helping seek grants wishes for sick
little kids and the homeless. And I'm going to work
my butt off until I can afford one of Trump's
gold cards, and then me and my husband will come
back to America.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
What do you find joy in because you've got to
find some way to get through the day in prison.
What's something that you actually enjoy or have made the
most of.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Well, I mean, I spend most of my day out
of wreck, you know, outside walking and working out, keeping
my head straight. But you know, my fans and my supporters,
I've probably received over one hundred thousand letters since I've
been in here, and I get still ten letters a day.
The people around the world that saw through the show
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and since then have seen them admit to perjury and stuff.
The fans is what's kept me going because everyone says
that I'll get out of here. You know, worst case
scenario right now, Michael is my outdate is October of
twenty thirty. So if I can beat this camp and
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keep the cancer at bay for five more years, I'm
out of here anyway. But the right thing to do.
I mean, I have a Congresswoman Bobert, I have Congressman
Eric Burlison, I've got Joe Rogan, I've got Matt Gates,
I have Dana White, I have the Hogan family. I've
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got everybody out there screaming to let me out. And
I've got a clemency on file in Ed Martin's office.
And you know, they don't even have to give me
a pardon. I tell everybody I looked up to President Trump.
He knows how the system is. He's felling. He's convicted
thirty four felonies. You know they indicted him ninety four times.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
I don't need to have a presidential pardon. I just
commute my sentence to time servant. Let me go on
my life.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
So I'm assuming you watched Netflix's film about you that
you didn't participate in from in prison.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Did you? What was the setting?
Speaker 4 (30:19):
Were you in a room with a bunch.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Of other people?
Speaker 2 (30:21):
What was that like?
Speaker 5 (30:23):
No?
Speaker 2 (30:24):
I was, I was in a lawyer visit. It was
just me and my lawyers in a room.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
And y'all watched it together.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Yes, sir, were you scream.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
At the and I was?
Speaker 2 (30:35):
I was? I was? I was so disgusted because Tiger
Team didn't do anything for tigers. Okay, Uh, they made
me out to be a method, which I wasn't. I
was the only one in the show with a full
set of teeth, wearing clothes. I mean, look this sup
scream Okay, who interviews a hit man in a bathtub?
(30:58):
All right?
Speaker 5 (30:58):
You know?
Speaker 2 (30:58):
And then they had John Finley running around with a
shirt off the whole time. But the thing that disappointed
me the most is sad the girl that lost her arm. Yeah,
you know, she went up against the government and whip
me to keep from having to kill that tiger because
they wanted to kill that tiger. And she took full
(31:20):
blame and kept that tiger alive. And if you wanted
to make a show about tigers or conservation of tigers,
tigers in in captivity. They should have set her in
front of that tiger cage and let her tell her
story and not blame the tigers, you know. But instead
they put her in a junk yard to make it
look like my zoo look like a junk yard.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
When you saw some of the folks who now that
you were in prison, were talking about you that maybe
never would have before. Who did you feel the most
betrayed by.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
I was probably the most disappointed in John Finley because
because he was there for eleven years and he took
a payoff to talk crap and make a movie Beca's
nothing he said was the truth. He accused me in
(32:15):
the movie and burning my own TV studio. Okay, first
of all, I was in Chicago with a funeral grant
and the last wish, so Kim and Rinki, the guy
with no legs was the only ones at the zoo,
so if I had anybody burn it, it would have
been him. So nothing made sense. But Michael, this thing pete,
which means he's gonna hang up any second. I want
(32:37):
to thank you for giving me a platform, give me
a voice. I hope you had me back sometime. Kill
everybody to get on joexoticofficial dot com and look at
the evidence and fall there.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
Joe exoticofficial dot com.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
I have checked it out. A real, real pleasure to
have you on and we will have you back. Thank you,
buddy
Speaker 6 (33:00):
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can bear?
Speaker 1 (01:05):
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what that means? Don't sit?
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Speaker 4 (01:28):
A Texas combat veteran This is clip number eighteen from
Chad's prep ramon Fox twenty six. A Texas combat veteran
with PTSD says his legally prescribed medical THCHC has cost
him some parental rights. So for everybody who wants to
(01:48):
push people off of a product that's giving them relief
from a condition they developed in war oh July fourth,
the veterans, We'll love our veterans well, we need help,
and the only thing that's given us help is thhc Oh. Well,
(02:11):
you need to go over here to this clinic and
pay more for it and fall into the system and
make the pharmaceutical companies rich that are supporting dan Patrick,
because we don't want you having that dreadful thing on
your own. You were able to make a decision in
command of a tank as to whether to.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Blow a village up.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
You were able to carry heavy artillery and make life
or death decisions wearing the uniform of our country. But
we don't really think you're capable of making decisions for
how to treat your own personal problems. Now, if you
(02:56):
down a fifth a whiskey every day, we're all right
with that.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
But we can't let you.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Have these, these treats that give you relief so that
you can go to sleep every night like Mini Grandma's
and other people.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
We can't let you have that. You'll die. The story
from Fox twenty six.
Speaker 6 (03:14):
It's been illegal for doctors to prescribe Lodos TFC products
here in the state of Texas since twenty fifteen, and
many of the patients who take advantage are veterans, specifically
war vets like Robert.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
I deployed for a year in twenty ten and I
saw combat. When I came home, I brought that stress
with me, kind of always looking over my shoulder, not
really feeling safe.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
In any space.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
And then in twenty twenty one, I found a doctor
with the Kurt Act Compassionate Use Registry of Texas and
started taking Lodos THHC. It, along with the therapy and
the help that I got in the Ventance Court, changed
my life.
Speaker 6 (04:01):
The Kurt Act allows patients with certain conditions like Robert's
PTSD to get these THC prescriptions. He provided us a
documentation proving that his prescription is legit, but he says
even with this, it's causing him custody issues.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Over the course of the last three or four years,
I have my daughter on a weekly basis. There was
a December ninth, twenty twenty fourth order where I was
granted my overnight visits and I had one overnight with
my daughter when I tested positive for THHC. I submitted
(04:36):
my prescription and there was a tro filed against me
and granted, and so I lost my overnights with my
daughter at that point.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
This bench order in the case states that the ruling
is due to the revelation of Robert's prescription and it
being a possible danger to the child. Do you feel
like you're having to choose between a medication that's helping
you regulate a disorder that you got while fighting for
your country and time with your daughter.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
I mean, that's exactly how I feel. But I don't
believe it to just be a feeling. I believe that
to be the reality of the situation. It's it's really
frustrating and upsetting, I would say more emotionally. It makes
me sad for my daughter. I don't I don't necessarily
believe that this is going to help my situation. But
(05:32):
the knowledge and understanding, you know, may help somebody else,
and it may swagh some hearts and minds as far
as you know, as far as the stigma and the
view around this medication.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Oh well, just pour a fifth of whiskey over it,
like everybody else does. Ruin your liver, give yourself heart disease,
maybe have a stroke. That's perfectly legal because we're I'm
not scared of alcohol at all, But how dare you
use a natural herb for the treatment of a condition
(06:13):
you developed serving this country and the very neocons. You know,
the neocons are funny people. They want to fight every war,
or they want you to fight every war. They're not
about to. They want to fight every war around the world.
Boots on the ground everywhere, all the time. And while
(06:33):
you're providing boots on the ground. They're all open border
folks too. They want wide open borders it legals coming
into this country. Most of the neocons are open border folks,
and they are social conservatives on you after you're real
heroic while you're serving abroad. But when you come back,
(06:54):
we will restrict every right you have so that you
feel like you live in Iran Afghanistan under the dictates
of the Mullah. So we'll give you all the ability
in the world to have the arsenal of democracy at
your fingertip while you're there. But when you come home,
(07:15):
we'll tell you when to go to bed and how
you can self medicate, because we know better than you do.
You can self medicate with alcohol, that'd be fine, or
you can go to this clinic over here and have
a medical record out of it. Just don't use this
product that you can buy on your own, because you're
not able to make that decision for yourself. We'll make
it for you, because Lord knows, we've made all the
(07:38):
best decisions, haven't we. By the way, we have a
show sponsor called Family Psychiatry of the Woodlands doctor Marshall
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In addition to providing psychiatric care and an inpatient hospital,
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Speaker 1 (08:20):
But they do a lot of studies. The Michael Berry
Show is nichwide. I'm going to tell you a story.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
And you've got to put your own experience out of
your mind to appreciate how funny this story is the
only person in the country that did not watch Tiger
King on Netflix four years ago about Joe Exotic is
Ramon Roebless, But I didn't know that. How do you
(08:54):
not watch Tiger King? I mean it was awesome. It
was so messy, so nasty, so vile. You had to
watch it, you couldn't turn away. Well I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
He hadn't.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
So Joe Exotic as he's known, was scheduled to be
on the phone with us. We do the interview, the discussion.
I don't like the word interview. We have a discussion.
I think interviews are boring. Well, welcome to the program, Joe. Well,
thanks for having me. Well, we're glad to have you.
(09:33):
And then you unwind it at the end, Well, thank
you for being It's a been a row pleasure to
have you. I think it's more fun to have a
conversation and discussion. So anyway, we hang up and Ramone goes.
I said, how was he different than you thought? He said,
I didn't know he was gay. It was pretty clear
(09:55):
on the show he's gay. And he said, I didn't
watch the show. And then all of a sudden it
hit me, Oh this must have been I said, well,
what did you think? He goes. All I had seen
was the front cover of the Netflix thing. I thought
it was some redneck that you know that bottle bleached
his hair. But you know, he's every picture I see
(10:18):
of him. He's got a pistol hanging on his hip,
he's got a handlebar mustache. I mean, he's a redneck
who handles tigers. He's a badass. He's a macho man.
I said. And then what he said, well, I picked
up and I thought it was a joke because he says, hello, Ramone, Yeah,
this is jo Exotic.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Carmone said, it's funny, that's real funny. I'm ready for
my interview.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
So imagine Ramone's mindset. Imagine you're in a position that
you know nothing of what you know everything about, and
you're Ramone and you're about to talk to this John
Wayne tiger tamer right, badass dude, it's in prison.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
He got to mustache, he's tough.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
It looks like good's gossage, but he acts like John
Wayne and instead he sounds like boy George.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Yeah, it was pretty good stuff. I must have met.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
That was pretty good stuff, that interview, that conversation. Sorry,
we'll be coming up in just a few moments. Janet,
You're on the Michael Berry Show. Go ahead, Sweethart.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yoah morning, good morning.
Speaker 7 (11:30):
I have a couple of thanks, say thank you to say.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
It's the first thing I have to say.
Speaker 7 (11:34):
I'm gonna check your memory. Do you remember about a
month and a half ago with the Pasadena lection was
going on and we talked. That's the first time I
talked to you.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
This call is from a federal prison, and.
Speaker 7 (11:51):
So anyway, we got before it and oh, shoot, you
just made that funny sound. Okay, I have a question
for you. Okay, do you remember me?
Speaker 1 (12:07):
No?
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Oh, I I don't know what what to remember you about.
I had a number of people who called up about
the election and the name Janet.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
I don't I.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Don't something there something about the call that I would remember.
People do this all the time, and I just know
the feelings. I just I don't remember.
Speaker 7 (12:29):
Yeah, what I called Ramon Inswer the phone and I
said hush sugar that I put on hold, and uh,
you apparently heard it or something.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
I don't know if you can hear.
Speaker 7 (12:40):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
But I was.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Calling at the wrong time.
Speaker 7 (12:43):
I don't know how I got through anyways, but you
decided you'd go ahead and talk to me, and I
was talking to you about the Pacading election. It's not
about the election. I'm just saying if you remember me
this way, And you said, oh, yeah, I just talked
to the mayor of their pacity yesterday about some Republican stuff,
and I said, well, I think about that part of it.
But I said yeah. I said, I'm working on the
election with Rex, and I just wanted to let you
(13:07):
know that I listen to your show every day. And
then you got into the elections. Take I didn't do that.
You did that, so you don't remember that.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Not really?
Speaker 7 (13:16):
I okay, it's okay.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Well, I kind of regret the call. I kindo the call.
I kind of regret the whole thing. If I'm completely honest,
I do make mistakes. It's usually with the best of intentions.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
But here's what happened. What happened was I.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Got a message from a Republican Party activist and it was, hey,
municipal elections are coming up. We the grassroots have endorsed candidates,
and here's our list of candidates. We could really use
your help because these are nonpartisan racists. So the voters
who when you get outside the city of Houston, most
(13:56):
of these communities, the voters a majority of Republican, but
they don't know who the Republican candid it is. So
the Republican Party has has issued endorsements and here's who
they are. So I just go down the list boo
boo boo boo boo boop. And I get to Pasadena
mayor Harris County Republican Party, which pasadenas in Harris County
mostly Uh, says Shinefeld. I don't know the person, good
(14:20):
German name. Uh, he's running for mayor.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
This is who we support. Okay.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Well, then I get messages from friends of mine who
were involved in in Pasadena government, and I called Mayor Wagner,
who I've known for a long time, and I said, Hey,
who are you for?
Speaker 1 (14:39):
And he said Rex?
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Remember Rex, he came to your house.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
One time with me.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Uh. And he sent me a photo and I said, oh,
I didn't know that guy's running for mayor. Okay, whatever,
I like, Jeff Wagner.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
You know what Rex? Vote for? Rex? I don't know. Well,
then both.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
Sides were saying that I was supporting them for this
reason or that reason, and I just pulled back and
stopped talking about it all together.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
And that's where I left it.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
And Shanefeld ended up winning the election, and I think,
based on what I've heard, more of our listeners supported
Shanefeld than Rex.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
I'm I'm glad the voters chose it. I should not.
I should not have.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Gone against what I originally said was the Republican Party's
choice in that race because I didn't have a good
basis for it.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
So they're like my mistake.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Chat Makanishi, Joe Exotic The Tiger King coming up, Michael
Very Show.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
The Tiger King.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Joe Exotic is our guest. We had to work hard
to make this happen, and I am delighted to have
you on.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Welcome Joe.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Hey, I appreciate you having me, sir.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Four years ago, you were the top Netflix video. The
whole country became aware of your story, and then Carol
Baskin gets you sent to prison, and you're trying to
get out. Tell me about what happened between the filming
of that film, that video and today. Catch us up
(16:15):
to speed.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Okay, Well, first of all, a lot of people don't
understand I've been in prison since September seventh of twenty eighteen.
I didn't film for Tiger King. Okay, back in the
day before they arrested me for all of this and
made Tiger King. I was filming my own reality show
at the zoo, so I had six tearabytes of never
(16:40):
seen footage from the zoo that was scripted for a
reality show. And when they set me up and arrested
me for this, then my husband at the time sold
them that footage and that's what they used in Tiger King.
And then she left and left me in prison.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
So you tell you that, No, not.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Two point six million bucks he run off with. Yeah,
left me in here to beg for commissary. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
How did Netflix know about your story? How did they
know what was going on to know this was going
to be such a big deal.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Well, you know, I had a YouTube channel with fourteen
hundred plus videos on it, you know, and the whole
exotic animal world knew the feud between Carol and me
and Carol and all the other exotic animal people because
she wanted to be the sole person to have tigers
in America, you know. And it was all about pushing
(17:42):
the Big Cat faifty act. And the producer Eric Good
of this call, it's from a federal prison. Tiger King
works for Pete the People for the Ethical treatment animals. Okay,
so they're all kind of tied in together to push
this bill. Well, for eleven years I fought that bill.
I testified from this House or testified from the Senate
(18:05):
all over the United States and kept it from passing
because it's not about helping tigers. It's about they wanted
control to monopolize the income on tigers. So they made
us all out to be fools. They made me out
to be this big crackhead, uh that I'm not and
crazy because they used they used the scripted reality show
(18:27):
to do this. Then they nicknamed the Big Faiety Act
the Tiger King Bill, and they got it passed and
Biden signed it into laws. So who is allowed to
have tigers in America now is only members of the
Global Federation Animal Sanctuaries, which is Carrol's organization. So they
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have all they have all of my cats now, you know,
in their places, and they're charging fifty bucks a piece
to see them, just like I was doing. So there's
you know, it didn't help the tigers, but you know,
I mean it's been hard. I'm fighting you know, prostate
cancer and lung cancer, and now I've got to do
a pet scan it's because they think the proftate cancer
(19:10):
has moved to my ribs. You know, the food is
you can't stay healthy because they feed you the lowest
grade food that's on the planet. And you know it's
it's tough. It really is tough. But as far as
you know the inmates, I'm in a medical facility with
fourteen hundred people, you know, everything from high security people
(19:33):
to camp people because it's a medical facility, and I
get along with everybody.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
You know, your case you're trying to get I don't
know if it's a presidential pardon. You're trying to get
out of prison, obviously, what is the basis of your case?
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Okay, Well, I have not seen Tiger King two, and
I've only seen Tiger King one about four months ago
when and the lawyers were allowed to bring it in
on a computer because we're working on a lawsuit. But
since then, you know, on Tiger King two, Jeff Lowed,
James Lauren Allen the hit Man all got on world
(20:14):
television and admitted to perjury. And then Allen the hit Man,
the Government's hit man, went one step further, even on
world television and took him to the zoo and showed
him where he hit the murder weapon in the woods.
That their original plan was to kill me and put
me in prison. Didn't work to get my zoo, okay.
So then when Jeff took over the zoo and the
(20:37):
Feds turned on him and took his animals away because
Carroll wasn't going to let him treat him, you know,
then it made him mad, okay, And they turned over
their cell phones to my attorneys. And now we have
the cell phones of James, Jeff, Lauren, and Allen and
they were recording the federal agents the entire time. The
(20:58):
first thing he shouldn't do is hire crime, you know,
to do your dirty work. So we have seven hundred
phone recordings, videos, and everybody's text messages proven that the
federally just knew they were lying at my trial. They
actually helped them fabric fake text messages.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Carol Baskin seems to have been your nemesis and caused
you a lot of problems.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
What do people not know about her?
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Well, you know, our argument wasn't as big as TV
made it out to be. Okay. She had her YouTube channel,
she had her way of raising money, and she had
a website called nine to one animal abuse, and I
was her most wanted and she made millions off of
(21:49):
convincing people that I was abusive to my animals because
I took baby tigers away from their mom and let
you play with them. Okay, well, I had Joeexotic TV
dot com and I made a lot of money getting
people convinced that she really did kill her husband, because
I truly did this day believe she killed her husband.
And you know, I was a police chief back in
(22:11):
the day, so I didn't want to investigating. I have
her original diary, I have his original power of attorney.
I have everything, and I just got too close to
proven that she killed her husband, and she had to
shut me up. That's what this is really about. She
just had to shut Joe up because till you know,
she designed his pirate attorney first first first paragraph says,
(22:34):
in case of my disappearance, put them in a power
of attorney. Okay, she designed it. It says she designed it.
She filed it two months before she reported missing to
make it a legal document. She's the one who declared him,
had him declared dead in a legal courtroom to collect
six million plus dollars. You know why has she not
(22:55):
been charged with fraud. If she claims that he's still alive.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Why do you think that is what?
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I think? She just has more money in people's pockets
than you could ever imagine, because her son or her
brother was the sheriff at the time in Hillsborough, Florida
that investigated all of this.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
You know.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
The woman. All you have to do is get online Google.
Speaker 7 (23:23):
You know this calls from a federal prison.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
It donates lots of money to politicians to get them elected.
But you know Colonel Gotlakill wanted? Is she since then?
You know, gave all of her tigers to the sanctuary
she represents and they're taking care of them. She sold
Big Cat Rescue for nineteen and a half million dollars.
You know, she's rich. She's out there, she's doing what
(23:48):
she wanted. She got exactly what she wanted. But I'm
asking you know, I'm on appeal for a new trial,
and I've been waiting three years. That's how slow this
system is. And I will win this new trial. If
they grant me new trial, They'll never take me back
to trial because all their witnesses have turned over their
cell phones and minute to perjury. So they have no
(24:10):
case right and the government you've got to.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Get a new trial to get.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Them Michael Berry.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
You know, there are just certain things that capture our attention,
and I have found in a lifetime of study that
those involve conflict, controversy, personality. And sometimes we're fascinated by
(24:49):
things that are so unlike the life we lead that
we don't want to lead the life of a serial killer,
or we don't want to lead the life of a
person engaged in a firefight in Vietnam, but we're really
(25:13):
interested in what's going through that person's mind and through
that person's life. You know, I don't know how many
people want to be a chef like you know, Mario Batali,
the Iron Chef, or I don't know how many people
want to wanted to cook with Leagazi or Paul Prudon
(25:39):
or any of these other very intense chefs. But I
think it's interesting to see their life. I don't know
how many people would would want to go through the
scars on the forearms that Anthony Bourdain had to earn
to get to the point where he could travel the
world and talk about food. And you know, I always
(25:59):
thought he had such a fascinating life, and yet you
see that there was mental instability going back quite some time.
And then of course the taking of his own life.
Four years ago when Tiger King Joe Exotic was on Netflix,
(26:21):
it was the only thing we talked about in the studio.
I mean, we talked about what was in the news.
But it was such a fascinating time for us and
our team talking through the various characters and the twists
and the turns they had as the show developed. And
(26:43):
now we learn from Joe Exotic to Tiger King that
he wasn't even involved in that thing. He was in
prison three years before that thing ever hit the air.
Almost three million dollars were made by the selling of
the footage, and the Heat didn't get a penny of it.
He says, I mean, it really is quite a development
(27:06):
because I think most people probably figure he's out and
about living large, living off the money, maybe promoting something else,
but in fact, uh, quite a distance from that. He's
in prison, battling cancer and will be for five more years.
(27:28):
If the President doesn't grant him clemency, and if he does,
Joe Exotic, if he grants you, if a pardon tomorrow,
what would life look like for Joe Exotic.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Okay, first of all, I have nothing left. They took
my and you know, they destroyed my home, They took
my zoo. They sold on the clothes to museums and people,
and I have no clothes even But I have friends
out that they're going to help me get my clothes.
What am I going to do? I'm going to Mexico, man,
My husband is in Mexico. I'm going to go to Mexico.
(28:02):
I'm going to use my platform to get back to
doing my charity work, helping seek grants wishes for sick
little kids and the homeless. And I'm going to work
my butt off until I can afford one of Trump's
gold cards, and then me and my husband will come
back to America.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
What do you find joy in because you've got to
find some way to get through the day in prison.
What's something that you actually enjoy or have made the
most of.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Well, I mean, I spend most of my day out
of wreck, you know, outside walking and working out, keeping
my head straight. But you know, my fans and my supporters,
I've probably received over one hundred thousand letters since I've
been in here, and I get still ten letters a day.
The people around the world that saw through the show
(28:55):
and since then have seen them admit to perjury and stuff.
The fans is what's kept me going because everyone says
that I'll get out of here. You know, worst case
scenario right now, Michael is my outdate is October of
twenty thirty. So if I can beat this camp and
(29:17):
keep the cancer at bay for five more years, I'm
out of here anyway. But the right thing to do.
I mean, I have a Congresswoman Bobert, I have Congressman
Eric Burlison, I've got Joe Rogan, I've got Matt Gates,
I have Dana White, I have the Hogan family. I've
(29:38):
got everybody out there screaming to let me out. And
I've got a clemency on file in Ed Martin's office.
And you know, they don't even have to give me
a pardon. I tell everybody I looked up to President Trump.
He knows how the system is. He's felling. He's convicted
thirty four felonies. You know they indicted him ninety four times.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
I don't need to have a presidential pardon. I just
commute my sentence to time servant. Let me go on
my life.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
So I'm assuming you watched Netflix's film about you that
you didn't participate in from in prison.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Did you? What was the setting?
Speaker 4 (30:19):
Were you in a room with a bunch.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Of other people?
Speaker 2 (30:21):
What was that like?
Speaker 5 (30:23):
No?
Speaker 2 (30:24):
I was, I was in a lawyer visit. It was
just me and my lawyers in a room.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
And y'all watched it together.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Yes, sir, were you scream.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
At the and I was?
Speaker 2 (30:35):
I was? I was? I was so disgusted because Tiger
Team didn't do anything for tigers. Okay, Uh, they made
me out to be a method, which I wasn't. I
was the only one in the show with a full
set of teeth, wearing clothes. I mean, look this sup
scream Okay, who interviews a hit man in a bathtub?
(30:58):
All right?
Speaker 5 (30:58):
You know?
Speaker 2 (30:58):
And then they had John Finley running around with a
shirt off the whole time. But the thing that disappointed
me the most is sad the girl that lost her arm. Yeah,
you know, she went up against the government and whip
me to keep from having to kill that tiger because
they wanted to kill that tiger. And she took full
(31:20):
blame and kept that tiger alive. And if you wanted
to make a show about tigers or conservation of tigers,
tigers in in captivity. They should have set her in
front of that tiger cage and let her tell her
story and not blame the tigers, you know. But instead
they put her in a junk yard to make it
look like my zoo look like a junk yard.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
When you saw some of the folks who now that
you were in prison, were talking about you that maybe
never would have before. Who did you feel the most
betrayed by.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
I was probably the most disappointed in John Finley because
because he was there for eleven years and he took
a payoff to talk crap and make a movie Beca's
nothing he said was the truth. He accused me in
(32:15):
the movie and burning my own TV studio. Okay, first
of all, I was in Chicago with a funeral grant
and the last wish, so Kim and Rinki, the guy
with no legs was the only ones at the zoo,
so if I had anybody burn it, it would have
been him. So nothing made sense. But Michael, this thing pete,
which means he's gonna hang up any second. I want
(32:37):
to thank you for giving me a platform, give me
a voice. I hope you had me back sometime. Kill
everybody to get on joexoticofficial dot com and look at
the evidence and fall there.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
Joe exoticofficial dot com.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
I have checked it out. A real, real pleasure to
have you on and we will have you back. Thank you,
buddy
Speaker 6 (33:00):
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