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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We will come back to a discussion of radio. Several
of you have asked for an explanation on where radio is,
how it works, how stations are formatted, the choice of
music on those, and we will come back to it,
I promise. But I wanted to get to it because

(00:20):
it is all our show team has been talking about.
So I will come back to the radio discussion. But
there is a story that has gone viral, as those
can often do, and I asked Chance but Claim to
write it up for me because I didn't know the details.
And here's what he said. I ended up watching the

(00:42):
video At a cold Play concert in Boston. The kiss
cam caught the CEO of an AI company called Astronomer.
His name is Andy Byron. He's married with kids, and
he's cozying up with his a HR chief, Kristin Cabot,

(01:03):
who's not his wife. They panicked on the jumbo tron.
Chris Martin, who I guess is the lead singer of Coleplay,
joked about an affair. So when you watch the video,
if you look up Coleplay concert, it's going to be
the top thing you see. The guy is talking into
the microphone and this jumbo tron is directly in front

(01:27):
of him, and it's massive, and I guess they were
just panning around. When I first heard about this story
from the team, I thought, oh, well, you know that
most of those kiss cams at professional sporting events, those
are professional companies that put those on. So you know,

(01:48):
when the guy goes up and does something crazy and
the other guy slaps him, but he doesn't really, it's
all a carnival game, and you know it's the sideshow
entertainment for people who are at a sporting event who
are not really sporting events. Look, if you own a
professional sports team, or for that matter, double A or
single A, they tend to do a better job because
they have to. But if you own a professional sports team,

(02:10):
you got to have entertainment because the number of people
who are there for the actual athletic experience consumer experience
is low because for every dad that really wants to
see a ball game, he's got to bring his wife,
who in many cases has no interest in it, or
his kids, who, if they don't play yet because they're

(02:31):
too young or they don't play that sport, they're stuck.
And so you got to have an all around carnival experience.
So you've got to have all this other stuff going
on every second that a ball is not being pitched
or snapped. You got to have a side show. Okay.
So one of the things they do is the kiss cam,

(02:51):
and you have these companies that do this. So anyway,
Chris Martin from Stage jokes about the fact that they
have to be having an affair or they're really shy.
Well it turns out they're having an affair. It goes viral,
thirty four million views on social media and counting, and

(03:13):
I don't know how many it was, but the way
this thing works, it goes exponential. So the CEO, the fellow,
his wife, Megan, drops his last name on Facebook. She
changes her name to her maiden name, and then she
deletes her account. So first she's just going to change
her name, but then people found her then, and people
can be cruel, people can be awful. Here she is

(03:37):
the slighted bride, you know, a mother worried about her
kids having to go to school and all that, and
people are vicious online. So social media is having a
blast with this. The couple has not spoken, or the
man and the woman he was with, and the company
has not made a statement. What's interesting here is the

(04:01):
HR chief being involved in an out of workplace inappropriate relationship,
the very thing that I'll bet you she spent her
career ruining other careers over There is a certain justice
to that. I don't know. Folks are predicting it will

(04:22):
affect the company's fortunes. I don't know that that's necessarily true,
other than it'll distract him. But I don't know how
many people are hiring an AI company because they expect
the AI company CEO to I don't know. Maybe they do,
maybe their wives tell them, Hey, aren't you doing business
with astronomer? Yeah? Kill that, kill that deal right now.
I don't know want you're doing business with them? Because

(04:43):
there is a fraternity of ladies. You know, you got
to stick together in a situation like this. I would
like to hear your I got busted, or I busted
my spouse, or the boss got busted while I was
at the office, or I watched this go down situation,
because I guarantee you there are some good ones. I

(05:03):
didn't expect the bad Name game to be so good.
It was one of the best we've ever done. So
now we turned to chance McLean, who, in his best
or worst Coldplay tells the story. Here we go. We
should have saved it.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
God, it wasn't me, honey saw me Conn make charm.
It wasn't me on the jar, It wasn't me. I'm

(05:46):
going to a concert, gonna.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
See cole Play. I know the sadlist by Hall.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
I'm gonna be side.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
Bringing my side piece, sliding under the rain of everything's perfect.
We're swearing the side just another couple getting on. Everyone

(06:26):
standing wringing and laughing. Oh god, a job try, I said,
we be passing gifty three four into an h R.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
I can't believe we got past.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
Now I'm on thin. Oh god, this is so we
should have stayed in my God, it's Cleans.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
It claims it's done for a girl and the boy
like La Barry show much funny? What's funny? People are
using the opportunity to take shots at Coldplay art wrights
Andy Barron is embarrassed. Who wants to be seen at

(07:41):
a Coldplay concert. Another one of my friends said, you
think it's bad to be caught with your HR director
lovey w post, imagine being caught at a Coldplay concert.

(08:03):
That's funny. Well, The interesting thing is in the video
on the on the webcam, the woman has a certain look,
which she's not. You know, you figure the CEO and
the hr director. You know, she's in her twenties. He's
in there. He's a pretty good look guy. He's fit.

(08:25):
He's he's got kind of a bill Ackman look about him. Uh,
he looks like a corporate CEO type. But I mean
he's he's pretty fit. You can tell he's got all
the obnoxious trappings, the the the private jets and the
the yachts and the country club memberships and the you know,
the whole drill. But you expect her to be this little,

(08:49):
you know, little climber of a of a qt with
the with the CEO. I mean, how trite you're with
the CEO. But she looks like Close in Uh, what's
the movie where Glenn Close is so fit? Yeah, Fatal Attraction.
She looks like Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction. Angela writes

(09:14):
Coldplay Jumbo Tron not a humorous subject for those to
whom it happened. Disappointed you chose to highlight this. And yes,
I changed the dial today because that pain never goes away. Well, Angela,
I can't help you. Let me try to explain this,

(09:35):
and you get it or you don't. We were six
months to I don't know, eight months ago. It was
a group of friends and one of our friends in
the group, eighty two years old, had just had prostate
cancer and he just had surgery. And before the surgery,

(09:58):
for six months, he had to self cap he had
to self catheterize for six months. I think, now, ladies,
y'all are a lot tougher. Y'all give birth. We don't.
He had to dick a tube of as willy to

(10:18):
be able to pee for six months and it was
excruciating and it was awful, and we had talked about it,
and then the comment was made with the group that
you know this this place served breakfast at I don't remember.
It was an early early hour, and it was a

(10:39):
guide trip. It was a year ago, so to the
details fade, but you'll get the point. And there was
reference to the fact that one of the restaurants started
serving breakfast at four thirty in the morning, and it
was sent to the group and I don't know, probably
ten ten guys in the group, and I said that
so and so, our friend who'd had cancer I said, well,

(11:01):
he and I will meet there for breakfast because we
will each have had our eighth p through the course
of the night. And nobody knew about the self cath
and the prostate thing except for one other person in
the group. And somebody said in the group on the

(11:23):
group text, you ought to get that checked, and I said,
get it checked. The last friend I had who got
it checked had to self cath for six months and
then several months of incontinence. I think I'll pass. So
the guy in the group who did know the story said, hey,

(11:44):
you do realize that that's just happened to Bob in
our group, And I said, yeah, that joke was for him,
because laughing about things is how you own things. But
you know, maybe that was too far. We all have
different ways that we cope with things, but when you

(12:06):
laugh at something, you own it. My mother laughed at
death just before she died, and that gave me so
much comfort and relief because that means she didn't fear it.
You ever notice the screeching liberals on social media pages.

(12:26):
They turned their camera on them and they scream, I
hate don't and it's like mad men bens She's Trump
littles rint free in their head. I don't care how
awful things are when you can laugh about it. We
laugh about my brother when we get together. We all

(12:47):
tell jokes and laugh at his expense as he would
want it, as he would want it. So if you
don't laugh at things, and you view me laughing at
things as somehow insulting, hurtful, or whatever else, we're never
gonna get along. Okay, it's not a good match. And
that's okay. Right, you're serving sushi. I don't eat sushi.

(13:09):
We're never gonna match. We don't gel and it's okay,
but I'm not gonna change. John writes, it's been fifteen
years since Coleplay released a single, and now they made
four in one night. That one, that one has has
been carried by for uh by a few folks. All right,

(13:34):
where did I leave? Oh? Here we go. I admired
Chances Bravery to come out online yesterday and admit that
he likes Coldplay. Mark writes, oh, this was a this
was a daylight savings times. I have never seen such
an overblown topic. Forget all the research and studies. If

(13:56):
a time change was so negative on the human body,
no one would step on off a plane alive from
New York City to Los Angeles. The time change attempts
to keep the start of our clock, say seven am
at roughly the same skylighting sun position looking into daylight
saving time. We'll have kids out for school buses in

(14:16):
the dark during the shorter winter days. Changing the clock
twice a year is nothing. That's just one of the
reasons I dislike. And he goes through people who talk
about this. These folks talk about this ad nauseum. I
cannot tolerate it. My job had me working with time
zones in computing and data reporting. I've spent a lifetime

(14:37):
working with and teaching folks about time perspectives. I've been
affected by time zones a lot more than the average bear.
It's never been a big deal for me. My personal
and business travels haven't killed me yet. Well, I think
that's a fair perspective. But that's like saying I don't
know why everybody is bothered watching a dead looking at

(14:58):
a dead body, or seeing a body gushing with blood,
or seeing a body out in the sun with rigor
mortis that then explodes. I'm a coroner. I do it
all day every I mean there does come a point
that you desensitize yourself to something that bothers other people.

(15:19):
Michael writes, Zori, I used to date the HR director
for the city where I live. She cheated on me
with a superintendent that also worked for the city. Someone
took pics and videos of them, send them to the
man's wife, and they were fired. Talk about karma.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
The girls all get pretty at close in time when
you're listening to the Michael Berry Show.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
One friend said that was the most embarrassing thing to
been caught on camera at a concert since I gave
Ramona titty twister at a Nickelback show. Coldplay a Nickelback
are the two bands that if you're forced to go
to with a girl and one of your buddies asked
where you're going, I'd rather tell them I'm going into

(16:03):
a Bay gay bathouse than to a Nickelback or Coldplay concert.
The girls get real at closing time when you listen
to the Michael Berry Show. I think I might have
missed the context of that. Hmm Ed writes, I'm a

(16:24):
local small electrical contractor. I don't have an issue with
anyone using marijuana for personal use. Concern I have is
the liability side. When on a job site, if an
accident occurs, we are required by OSHA and our insurance
to drug test anyone involved. It is my understanding that,
unlike alcohol, the test for marijuana can only detect its presence,

(16:47):
not the level of impairment. My liability insurance will not
cover accidents where any impairment or the presence of marijuana
is involved. It is also my understanding that marijuana is
detectable for at thirty days after its use. So my
question would be, if legalized, how would we determine impairment
for accidents or for driving? I tried to keep this short.

(17:10):
It is a good question ed, and it is a
question that arises often, and let me explain it like this.
So when we talk about, let's say, legalizing marijuana, people
come at this from a lot of different directions except
the one that matters most. The one that matters most

(17:31):
is does a grown man or woman have the ability
to determine what to put into their body and to
the extent they do. How much are we the rest
of us, going to regulate that. That is the core question.

(17:54):
This is the important part of having a discussion where
you intend to hopefully find some useful conclusion even if
you don't have universal agreement. So let's start with we
have now framed the question for discussion. Does an adult

(18:16):
have agency and freedom to determine what products to put
into their bodies? So now you can take away about
fifty percent of women, especially older women, they'll go. But
the kids, the kids will all do it, Michael, The
kids will whoa, whoa. Let me let you own a

(18:37):
couple of things. I've just put tooth one kid through
high school and another one as a senior. I'm fortunate
they're not drinkers. But I'm going to tell you there
are very good kids who drink. There are very good
kids who drink a lot by any measurement. And that's

(19:00):
gone on since I was growing up, and I suspect
it was going on before that. But you don't run
around trying to make alcohol illegal, do you, Because the
last time you did that, we had prohibition and that
caused the country problems that we suffer through today. We

(19:25):
can agree as adults that we can discriminate. That means
tell the difference between an adult and a child right
in much the same way that we say two forty
year olds can have sex. Oh my god, we can't
allow forty year olds to have sex, because then we'll

(19:45):
have eight year olds having sex with forty year olds. No. No,
we're capable of seeing those as two different things, and
we're capable of saying, yes, you two forty year olds,
y'all can have sex. Forty year old and an eight
year old you cannot have sex. We're capable of doing that.
We don't have to outlaws sex because of this subcategory.

(20:08):
All right. So now we've taken out the we agree
children should not do marijuana, all right, So we go
back to our core question should an adult be able
to make decisions as to whether they do that? Ed's
question comes up a lot. We have a lot of
small business owners, show sponsors and listeners. Small business owners

(20:32):
tend to support other small business owners. Interesting how that works.
A lot of our sponsors do business with each other.
Small business owners have a natural antipathy towards doing business
with big box stores and big national stores because they
know that that's what they're often competing with, and they
want to support other folks. So I hear this question
a lot, and people will say to me, what do
I do about the fact that I've got guys on

(20:53):
forklifts and if they are impaired, two questions, two separate questions.
First questions at and they are impaired, just as with alcohol,
just as with prescription drugs, you have a zero tolerance
toward that period, and you should. People can be killed.
You can't be impaired while operating the forklift. Simple. Well,

(21:17):
my insurance says the presence of marijuana, So that's very simple.
We can legalize marijuana, but you can prohibit the use
of it, just as you can prohibit the use of
alcohol by your employees, just as a city police department

(21:38):
can prevent their employees from being on social media. I
don't like it. I disagree with it. I think it's
a restriction of free speech. But you can prohibit certain behaviors.
You can have a dress code, you can have all
sorts of requirements. You can say to your driver of

(21:58):
your eighteen wheeler, you can't drive more than this number
of hours. You have to log in this amount of sleep.
We do this all the time. We make reasonable restrictions
by the employer or by the state on an individual,
narrowly tailored with a reasonable goal, a legitimate goal. But

(22:19):
because we see in certain segments that there need to
be reasonable restrictions, narrowly tailored. We don't say, well, just
make it illegal for everybody, because now we've given the
state a power that we cannot get back. We've given
the state the power over the individual's freedom. Now, some

(22:40):
people say, oh, I don't want that because people will
be lazy, they won't go to work. I'm just going
to say this, If that is your argument, do me
a favor. Don't make that argument in public, because some
people are going to do you the worst form of
cruelty and think you're serious. That is the weakest, worst

(23:02):
argument imaginable. And let me explain why it is not
the role of the government to institute policies to make
people more motivated. Well, what about welfare, Michael, good question.
Welfare demotivates people. It's a subsidy of life that emasculates that.

(23:25):
Don't feed the bears, they'll stop learning need for themselves.
But that is a money you are taking from the
rest of us and giving to them. It's a redistribution
of wealth that is illegitimate and immoral. It is not
the role of the government to sit around and look
for policies of humh, what can we take away from

(23:47):
people that'll make them want to work. Welfare is, in
and of itself immoral. Marijuana use is not. It's all natural.
But if you say, well, we'll take away the marijuana,
and then the person who doesn't go to work but
sits on his fat ass on the couch drawing unemployment
or disability or whatever he does smoking marijuana. If you

(24:09):
think taking marijuana away from that guy is going to
get him back to work, you don't understand that guy.
And you're listening to the season radio Michael Berry. You know,
I grew up on country music in the seventies, and
I'm pretty well convinced there are more cheating songs than

(24:32):
there are loving songs. I mean, it is the White
Men's Blues, but I would be interested to see a
Tyler mayhon Co deep dive into the percentage of each
because it sure seems like there are more cheating and

(24:56):
loss songs than there are love songs in that era.
It certainly does so. Lots of questions about radio and
the business of radio, and I get this comment a

(25:16):
lot that folks will say, we go for a drive
and we end up in a small town, and we
love the radio station there, and I understand that I do.
And let me explain first of all, anytime someone says
that money is driving everything, while that shouldn't be the

(25:40):
primary driver for most people, the job you took was
the job that paid the most, not the job next
door that paid half of that. It is still a
business all of the major radio stations. That's not true.
Most of the major radio stations in most of the

(26:03):
major cities, and that's almost all of them are owned
by a handful of corporations. And the reason for that
is when the Clear Channel regulation deregulation occurred, it allowed
you to own more than two stations in a market,

(26:26):
but there were still there were still pretty heavy restrictions
on it. Radio is still a very heavily regulated industry,
just as television is. And so when that happened, the
company that is the precursor to the company I worked for,

(26:46):
which was called Clear Channel, began to gobble up a
lot of stations around the country, AMFM, JCORE, you name it. Now.
What you heard from radio personalities or what you heard
from listeners was this was a terrible thing. And I

(27:08):
suspect for a number of consumers. That was because it
was a dramatic change from the shows you were used to,
and it was also exactly what was happening in television
which nobody thinks about, which is the nationalization of the
provision of content. If you turn on Fox News Today,

(27:33):
which many people do, you're not going to get a
deep analysis of what Rodney Ellis is doing to destroy
Harris County. It's important. It's bad. There have been grand
juries convened, there have been investigations, there have been rumored prosecutions,

(27:57):
state and federal doesn't happen. It's bad. It's really really bad.
For that matter. If you want to hear some entertaining
storytelling about graft and corruption in the region, just go
to dol Chafino's dol Chaffino Media's YouTube. Just go to

(28:21):
dol Chafina, dol Chaffino DLCEE f I n O. Wayne
del Chafino, dol Chaffino Media his YouTube channel. You can.
If you enjoy watching the exposure of corruption, you will

(28:43):
just be able to watch. He goes all the way
down into the valley. He does Harris County, he did
Texas City, I think yesterday he'll do Waller county, you
name it, and it's about ten minute, little punchy vignettes
of some community where he believes there is graft and

(29:07):
corruption going on and he wants them to answer for it,
and they don't want to answer for it. And in
a lot of these towns, the county judge, the mayor,
of the police chief, they're the king of the place.
And so you go put a microphone in front of
them at a public meeting and ask them to answer
for it, and they're gonna, you know, it's gonna be
some version of them taking a swing, cussing you out,

(29:29):
threatening you, whatever else. It is investigative journalism and its best.
Fox doesn't cover those stories, and local news doesn't cover
those stories. Wayne came out of Channel thirteen well in
the TV era, in the ratings era, that you've got
to understand how stations are raided and then understand how

(29:52):
ratings generates money. The rating system is a how many
people are listening or viewing if it's TV, and based
on that you get a percentage what they call share,
what percentage of listeners at that time are listening to
your show. Based on that share, advertisers pay for how

(30:18):
many people they are exposed to. So if your Coca
Cola or NAPA Auto Parts or any number of other
consumer products, you want the maximum number of people listening.
That is what I call quantitative. Give me as many
people as you can. Well, if you're programming a station

(30:40):
to maximize the number of people, you don't want to
hear this, but the data says this is true. The
data will tell you the most number of people is
to the very formats that you hear A lot of
top forty that's what eighteen nineteen, twenty twenty, that's what
they listen to. The reason we're able to do what

(31:02):
we do is we don't sell on ratings. Our ratings
are great, but our ratings are people thirty five plus.
The national advertisers that are buying quantitative are buying eighteen
to thirty four. Our listeners are thirty five plus, and
our buy is qualitative, which means they want you because

(31:23):
you are you go take a cruise sometime, especially a
cheap one. All those other people on the cruise they're
listening to the stations that people are buying lots of
numbers of there're lots of those people. Our listeners are saying,
I don't want all those people. I want that one
guy who got on the wrong cruise, who spends money,
very loyal, refers us, doesn't send a meal back halfway,

(31:47):
and I would like to be around, and is probably
a veteran
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