June 23, 2023 • 37 mins
Doug gets into why the NBA Draft has lost it's luster and what the NBA should do about it. NBA Insider Marc Stein joins Doug to talk about the NBA Draft, Damian Lillard and all of the other major headlines around the NBA. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "Odds & Ends".
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different today. Okay, so here's the deal. I don't know, John,
You and I weren't texting last night, So if you
weren't watching, totally understand. Because you have kids, you coach softball,
Lucas Scott baseball, it's the summer. I know that Buyer
was watching because he's like me, like, we can't get
enough of this stuff. And I know that Jay Stu
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was watching because now can he not give it?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
But he asked me.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Some really really good questions, and I also know that,
Uh this is like a.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
This is great. Here here's the parallel I'll make.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
You ever have something in life that you know a
lot about, it's just like this random Cliff Craven. Uh no, me,
I know this you right, Like you know about something
that other people don't know that much about. And then
there's that you walk into a conversation and all of
a sudden your brain lights up. Like the first time
(01:41):
I experienced this was my daughter Grace. Oh man, how
old was she She was probably she was probably like
eight at the time. And we go to Hawaii and
we go on a on a boat and we're going like,
we go watch Dolph, we go swim with the you know,
we see the dolphins, and then we go storkling, right,
(02:02):
so they start talking about spinner dolphins and she's like, uh,
she's like rain man, like they're nocturnal, like, and she
knows all these all the different dolphins are like, how
does she know all this stuff? And at some point
she went down the rabbit hole of the internet and
was fascinated by dolphins and literally can tell you everything
you need to know about dolphins. I'm sure you have
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something like that in life, right. Sometimes it's a city,
you know, have you ever been to Boston? Yes, I
have been to Boston, matter of fact, Johnny Tremaine and YadA, YadA, YadA.
I have some things like that, like things that I
know a lot about for no particularly and the basketball
not NBA Draft is a big one. NBA Draft is
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buying should be. I do feel like this is something
that I do, I know a lot about, and it's
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like it's one of those things. Also that it's not
really always the place in doing a national sports radio
show to get too much inside baseball and tell you
about things you don't know about.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
But there are things in what you're.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Watching you're like, hey, I don't this is different. I
don't understand. So there's a bunch of elements to last
night which are really interesting. There were two different broadcasts
from the same company. One was a network TV broadcast.
One was a cable TV broadcast, And I don't watch
TV differently, but apparently people do, and that's why they
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did it differently. There's the We've always had teams play
on players from foreign countries that we don't know about,
but now we have we have American athletes playing in
our country and we don't see that even though they're
not playing in high school. And we had a bunch
of those guys drafted to G League. Ignite had four
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players drafted. Overtime Lead had the Thompson Twins draft.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
So what is it? Is it? Eight seven seven ninety
nine one fox? Is that the number? If you have
a pertinent, poignant question, feel free?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
But I know Ramos did Buyer has questions and opinions
as well. But it's it's amazing that and you get
this question all the time. How can the same company, ESPN,
how can they have two drafts and they feel completely
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different from one another?
Speaker 3 (04:43):
How can that be?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Like ESPN has done the NFL draft forever for our
entire adult lifetime and most of our like you know.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
How long did you have boomer?
Speaker 4 (04:55):
What?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I have some really dated musical reference and you go
to Melchiper Junior and now over the last probably fifteen years,
you've had Todd mcshade there as well. And then you know,
they've had guys from Mike Orvan, you name it. They
slide other people in a round. But those have been
and they are the staple for how to do it?
How do you go from that to the same network?
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And last night was just kind of weird. It wasn't bad,
It wasn't good. And oh yeah, by the way, like
our need to have parents involved, and I actually get it,
like most of those stories of parents are beautiful stories
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and having them there is awesome because I can tell
you and I know this is not My daughter is
an athlete, my son is an athlete. But and I
coach an AAU program, so I've been around this, So
parental involved.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Forget about what you read. Okay, that doesn't.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Break down to race, because like you're not going to
be anything these days unless you have somebody who helps
you get to where you're going. I mean, that was
honestly the thing my dad did for kids for years.
God rest his soul was he would drive. That's that's
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my whole childhood. It sounded like from like fifth grade
on was get in the car with my dad after
school and we drive to San Diego, meet meet Adam
Walton's mom, Sally Walton, to pick him up for practice.
Sometimes go halfway to Bakersfield.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
A guy named J R.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Henderson played at UCLA, play in the NBA, played forever
in Japan. Now coach, we meet to the like we'd
go wherever because kids couldn't get a ride to go
to practice. And if you can't practice, can't win. He
won't get any better. And there just weren't good enough
players where I was, or dedicate enough guys could get
you kind of give you a good enough team to
compete at the highest level. So this is something my
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entire life has been around AAU youth basketball whatever. Obviously
I have covered college basketball forever, cover NBA basketball for
twenty years. Many of the guys that I grew up
playing with are now coaches or in the front office.
And this is one of those like, yeah, there's a
lot that I know about and still some things that
don't make sense to me and things that have changed
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over time. So Jay Stu hit me with you didn't
know what overtime elite was, and you didn't know what
the G League IG Nite was.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
Correct, Yeah, whichever team is in Georgia.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
That's an overtime elite that's in Atlanta, Okay.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
And then yeah, the other wherever Scoot went.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
He went to the G League A Knight, which was
in northern California. Though I think they're changing locations to
maybe they're in Henderson, Nevada now, but they were. They
were what's that area called shoot I can't remember. It's
over the hill from Oakland Man Walnut Creek.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
They used to be in Walnut Creek. Now they're in Henderson, Nevada.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Right, So you didn't know about Okay, So the G
League I Knight, the G League Knight is, and again
the NBA is in this weird spot where they were
trying to create a model that mirrored Europe's model. Here's
the best way I can express it, Okay, G League
Knight is. You skip college, you go straight to the
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G League A Knight, You play against other G League teams.
You are coached by Jason Hart who Jason was a
longtime NBA point guard, become college assistant at USC.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Of course played at Syracuse.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
And so you're playing against G leaguers and half your
team is made up of guys that would be freshmen
or seniors in high school or would be freshmen in college,
and then half of it is a couple guys like
that named Pooh Jeter who played at the University of
Portland and then was a legend kind of overseas and
now his move didn't do an executive role in the NBA,
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but you'd have like an old head or two that
would help kind of guide these guys on their path
so they're playing against g leaguers. Overtime Elite Overtime was
I think it started as a website and then it
was as a Twitter and Instagram handle that had millions
of followers. I think it really made Hay when they
had when Zion Williamson was in high school.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
In Aau and with the money that they.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Made, they built this beautiful facility and they became a
landing spot. And this was talked about from a lot
of different angles of Hey, how can we get high
school players that want to be NBA players and don't
really want to go to the traditional route, and so
they do have some educational courses. You can supposedly go
to college from it, but I don't think anybody's gone
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to college from overtime elite and you play against other
prep schools, so you're like paid to go to prep
school and all you do is basketball for the most part.
So those those are the two different places that we're discussing.
Did I leave anything? Is there anything else you need
to know about those two?
Speaker 5 (10:01):
I mean the reason why I asked is because I
consider myself a pretty good barometer of like your average
viewer of the draft last night, and them having to
do introduction vignettes, introduction packages to get people to know
who these people are speaks a lot to the general
interest of the draft because nobody really knows these kids.
(10:23):
And then when they talked about these ignite teams and whatnot,
exactly what is that? Why did they choose that path?
Why is that better for their development and their profile
than the college game. I just had all these questions
to ask of you.
Speaker 6 (10:35):
You know, yeah, I would say, oh, man, I would
say this, Uh, the NBA, I.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
There was a time when all this started. There's never
been a great relationship between the NBA and the NCAA
for basketball, right, And this is you go back and
when Adam Silver took over, he wanted to mirror the
model of European clubs, and European clubs they have junior
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teams where they develop players. The problem with it is
that the European professional basketball model is completely different than
the college basketball NBA model here. And the missing piece
to it is there's a promotional tour tool. There's also
an educational tool, which it may not be needed for
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kids that are good enough to play and you can
identify them at sixteen seventeen years old pretty easily. But
for the vast majority of them, it's a great opportunity
to do both. And you don't have that overseas. You
don't have necessarily the you don't have necessarily the imbalance
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and any if you will, of education overseas like you
do in the United States. It reminds me, honestly of
when people try and compare like, well, you know, in Denmark, Okay,
they have universal health care and they charge sixty at
sixty percent tax rate, and yet everybody's happy, nobody has cancer,
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blah blah blah. He's like, dude, we're not Denmark. We
have one hundred years of doing it this way and
you can't slide into doing it a different way, especially
when part of the big like last night, was a
promotional tool, but tour tool. But instead of being a
promotional tool, it's an introductory tool. Because you had how
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many college basketball players are taken in the first round?
And even of those college basketball players, how many could
you actually name? How many of have you seen play?
Dan Bayer, you love basketball, love basketball, golf, NFL football,
and I feel like college basketball.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
I could be wrong.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
That's as much of a passion for you as anything
outside of NFL football and golf.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Is that fair?
Speaker 7 (13:08):
I do enjoy college hoops, yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
How many of the first round picks in the NBA
Draft have you actually seen playing?
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Probably less than than six.
Speaker 7 (13:20):
Grady Dick obviously was a name at Kansas, but yeah,
for sure, handful at best.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
And that's a college basketball fan. I'm just I'm not
saying this because I love college basketball because it provided
me everything that I need. Okay, everything that I need,
everything that I've done in life has been provided to
me because of college basketball.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Everything. It's it's because.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
I also am far enough from the forest where I
can see the trees and there is no buzz, no
hype outside of Victor Webbin Yama. And it's not just
these number one pick and he seven foot five, but
they did everything in their power to tell you this
guy is. Like I saw Jason McIntyre tweet he's gonna
be top the All NBA. What like for Victor Webin
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Yama to be All NBA in his first year, Okay,
that means he has to be a center. Okay, the
top three centers this year in All NBA. Okay, we're
Dematas Sabonis, We're Nikolie Jokic, and we're Joel Embiid. Anthony
Davis is not listed. There's several others like he's not
going to be All NBA, like the hype is, it's
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not very likely at all, But we're just we feel
the need to massively over hype guys because otherwise, why
would you care. They're all eighteen nineteen years old. They're
not gonna help or play or do much of anything
on winning teams teams actually pay attention to for a
couple of years.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
That's the reality to it.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
So I think it comes down to where the NBA
is kind of halfway in between trying to copy the
European model and trying to stick with the traditional system
and the European model, though it has produced some very
good players and maybe refined players, and it cuts out
the educational piece, which people don't seem to value nearly
as much anymore. It's for a different like, for a
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different style of basketball, for a different thing. It just is,
you know, foreign teams and their success is or financial
success is not based upon their TV revenue or their
TV deal.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
They get money from sponsors, and they get money from
sponsors based upon their location and if they win now honestly,
like season tickets aren't nearly as much of a driver
for them financially as they are here. It's such a
different system, Yl Jason, I can be of service.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
With no No, you're good. I think Dan had something.
Speaker 7 (16:08):
Yeah, I Doug. I took My takeaway from last night
was it was an interesting crossroads of what you expect
from a draft broadcast of what the NBA was, what
the NBA is, what college basketball was in is. And
the reason I say that is I think that as
a college basketball fan and someone who grew up loving
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the draft, it is not the same draft that it
that it was twenty or thirty years ago. But that's
nothing different. What I thought was was so unique last night,
and and ESPN has done this with the NFL Draft,
but it's easier to actually do with the NFL Draft
when you split broadcasts. What I found last night was
you really didn't have anybody there to fit the true
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need of what you needed from the broadcast outside of
J Billis, And only J Billis could do so much
because of the different avenues all these players come from.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
There, there was.
Speaker 7 (17:05):
Like, that's the toughest part about it is it's good,
it's not it's not what it once was. So when
you have players that you don't know, you have players
coming from different directions, you have players coming from from Europe,
there's no one there to tell us about them. And
I would even argue, as we've talked about on this
show many times, how the NBA is changing. Now we're
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wondering who's going to help a big three, when the
conversation should be, you know what, who's going to be
the Christian Braun of the Denver Nuggets. Who is going
to be that player that is going to be able
to have that current impact on a team. Right now?
We have player comps, we have projections, and it's just
to me, it was really tough to hit the moving
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target last night.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Well, I agree.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
There's also no debate, right, It's like j Bill says it,
and that's what it is. Like what like huh? And
there was no negativity, right, none? Like I mean, look,
Jet Howard gets drafted really high by the Orlando Magic, right,
didn't they move up to draft him? They draft him
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very early, and I think you would have been around
late in the first round, And like, you know, I
get it, Like we all loved watching Juwan Howard plays great, dude,
there's no negative there. But like I saw him play,
didn't guard anybody, then move great? Two thirds of his
shots are threes, right, and not a rebounder for his size,
So I thought Orlando massively reached. And why are you
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taking a guy that high, right, or even the okay
Scoot Henderson versus Brandon Miller, Like that's a that's something
I mean, I would love.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Who wouldn't love to go and spa on that one?
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Right?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
And then you're like, wow, do you take Scoot considering
you have you have a LaMelo ball and how does
that work together? And my argument would have been like mm,
if you like him better, then you take him because
it's not like the horns are good anyway. At least
they're entertaining, and then it kind of all fit works
itself out over time.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
But yeah, I agree with you. It was not you
put people.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
You didn't put enough people in position to succeed because
you tried to please everybody, and when you please everybody,
you please no one.
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Speaker 3 (20:06):
Mark, thanks so much for joining us. I've said this
all week. I think. Look, do I think Victor webin
Yam has a chance to be a great player? I do.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
I think a little bit of the oversale of even
his floor is because the NBA is trying, especially ESPN
or both of us used to work there. They're trying
to get attention to a product in the NBA draft
where most people have never seen any of these kids play.
It's like more of an introduction than a selection, and
it's their way of kind of overcompensating for the lack
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of hypes surrounding the entire draft.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Is that fair?
Speaker 4 (20:42):
I think I fall between what you're describing from our
old friends in Bristol and where you are. I certainly,
to me, it's perfectly fine and should be quite complimentary,
to say, most anticipated and most highly rated draft prospects
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since Lebron in two thousand and three. To me, that's
pretty teddy talks. That would be enough. When we start
hearing best prospect in pro sports history, that's when I
agree with you, because you know it's a frequent comp
that is thrown out as he shoots like Durant, he
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doesn't shoot like Kevin Durant. He has easy range. I
like the way Nikola Batum's countryman describes it. He has
easy range like Porzingis. But the last two years in
the French League he shot sub thirty percent from the
three point line. And we know the three point line
is closer in Europe than it is in the NBA.
So the height is largely justified. But I'm with you,
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it is it is it has been over the top
too much.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Well, I just think that, like they're the idea of
trying to create a system which mirrors Europe. That's overtime elite,
that's G League, ignite you And I know this better
than anybody, that European basketball is.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
There's not hype there. They don't need it.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
That's not how they sell tickets, that's not how they
keep the lights on. It's a completely different way of
doing business. And it is here. It is important here,
and like we keep diminishing college basketball. But one thing
that college basketball, much like college football, has done is
it promotes the players time and again many times above
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their actual level of skill. And that the NFA, NBA
benefits from it, and because it's been diminished and because
so many fewer prospects playing it, that they're struggling to
have that same level of attention and hype at the
NBA Draft.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Well, the case of web Minyama, though, it is so
unique in terms of, you know, this is the league
that you know just hates the word tay, hates the
concept of tanking, hates the discussion of tanking. You saw
what happened to the Dallas Mavericks, who you know, were
find seven hundred and fifty K for tanking a game
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or two at the end of the season. But when
Benyama's games were shown on the NBA app, the league's
official app all season long, it's never happened. The NBA
has done as much to fuel the attention that Ween Beyona,
that Ween Benyama has generated. I mean, they've been a
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huge part of it. I mean, I think one of
the most amazing SATs of the twenty twenty two to
twenty three seasons is Victor wen Benyama finished eighth among
all players in views on the NBA's official social media channels,
having played zero minutes in the NBA. You don't see
that every day we've never seen that, and look, he
is good enough to justify uns of it. We've never
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seen a big guy move like this, and we've never
seen a big guy with his offensive skills. But he
relishes defense, wants to be a defensive anchor, is already
a proven difference maker on the defensive end. So, like
I said, I'm not trying to this guy is a
generational prospect. But you know, when I hear like you,
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when I hear he is the greatest prospect that we've
ever seen across professional sports. And we just dial it
down a touch a little bit.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
You do a podcast, Mark Steiner's podcast with Chris Haynes, okay,
and Chris Haynes is he's actually a remarkable personal story,
right and in his rise to prominence and now doing
this podcast, doing sidelines for TNT, writing for Yahoo Sports,
all that stuff. But Chris Haynes kind of came up
in northern California, right, And Damian Lillard's from Oakland most famously, right,
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So there's obviously relationship there. And so the most recent
Chris Haynes' tweet is that there's been zero engagement or
discussion between Damian Lillard and the Portland trailer. This is
like the we're all waiting for that inevitable conclusion that
Damien wants out of Portland after what they did last night.
Where does that stand from your insider knowledge?
Speaker 4 (25:12):
I think you're right. I think the whole league is
waiting to see it because the Blazers have made it
quite clear they are not going to initiate a Damian
Lillard trade. When teams were calling this week, they didn't
want to engage in the hypothetical of Damian Lillard becoming available.
It's going to take Damian Lillard going to them and
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saying that he wants to be moved. And to this
point still, you know, I've said it, I don't know
how many times this month, but it is where we
are on June twenty third. He has not made any
declarations or applied any pressure on the Blazers to move him.
Is that forthcoming? I can promise you Chris will know
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before I do. But I would also say this, This
is you know, the Blazers are in a pretty enviable position,
as dire as that might sound, because they drafted a
guy who by all accounts, and Scoot Henderson does have
franchise player potential everyone in the league thinks. So they
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call it a three star draft, and he went third.
And you know, they do have Jayden Sharp there, Anthony
Simon's there. If game decides, if underline, if game decides
this is the time to seek a trade, they're pretty
well positioned with what they already had and what they
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would be adding in a trade, and Damian Lillard still
has tremendous trade value. So I would say that the
Blazers are in a very good position and had a
tremendous night, even though we really don't know where this
goes from here.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Okay, let let's let's get to some of those stuff.
Golden State Warriors. That was it felt like a lot
of financial moves that Mike Denleavy Junior made right where
you get Obviously Jordan Poole, there was more to it
than just the finances. But his extension kicks in this
year that changes their salaries dramatically and allows them to
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potentially re sign Draymond Green. And then some of the movements,
some of the other movements they made. What's the league's
reaction to Chris Paul who's a former rival, heated hated
rival even this year.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Now being steps back up.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Just like with Dame, everybody in the league wants to
see what happens here because it is hard to picture
Chris Paul just sauntering in to the Warriors' locker room
and everybody just putting the pass aside and let's hoop.
I mean, it is hard to picture. But the first
thing you said is what's it play here? This is
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at its core, it is about finances, and it's not
just Golden State. It's a bunch of teams around the league.
And you're you're gonna likely see more trade activity before
free agency starts because teams are trying to get in
front of the new collective bargain agreement that takes hold
on June thirtieth slash July first. And the Phoenix Suns
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they've decided to just blow pass the first tax apron,
the second tax aprons, and they're prepared to deal with
whatever restrictions there are in terms of putting guys around
what is still a quartette of Durant, Booker, Aayton and
now Bradley Beal. But nobody else wants to do it
the way the Suns are doing. The Warriors want to
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keep their Stephen Curry, Clay Thompson, Draymond Green. They want
to keep that trio together. To do it, they had
to shed some salary. Obviously, given all the tensions last
season after the punch in practice, it made sense that
Jordan Poole, with his contract, with all of the tension
that lingered last season, that he would be the one
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to go if they could find a trade partner. And
I actually thought they would have a supper time finding
a trade partner, but they could have sent Jordan Poole elsewhere.
So interesting that Washington, when they're in the middle of
cutting all this salary, that they're the team that decides
to snap up Jordan Pools. But you're going to see
more of these moves that have a financial basis to
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it because the landscape is changing dramatically because of this
new collective bargaining agreement.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Is Andrew Wiggins a Warrior next year?
Speaker 4 (29:29):
I think so. I think this is the big change.
I don't see them. I don't see them drastically changing
the core further because part of this also is look,
Raymond Green declined as player options. I think he's staying
with Golden State. I have struggled to imagine any scenario
(29:50):
that he leaves. You know, Draymond Green has been as
vocal as anyone about his desire to resign there. He
said it on his podcast, he said it on our
podcast with Chris Paynes and I he wants to retire
a Warrior. He wants to ride out with the guys.
He wrote in with but saying all that, Sacramento, after
what they did on Draft night, has created a lot
(30:10):
of cap room. There might be another suitor or two
because Draymond Green is an unrestricted free agent or he
will be on June thirtieth, and the Warriors just don't
want to take that chance and they needed to create
some additional flexibility to make sure that they can resign
Raymond Green. So that was another element of this trait.
As far as Chris Paul becoming a Warrior, I mean,
(30:32):
Chris Paul is one of the smartest players ever. They
it's a smart team. They have the ability to figure
out the x's and oh's. You all, I mean you
know this. You played the sport at a high level
and I have it. Smart guys know how to play.
Are going to figure it out. But yes, the curiosity
is not going away. At the staff of some fingers.
(30:53):
We need to see this, We need to see what
this looks like, what it looks like to have Chris
Paul out there in a warrior's uniform.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Last thing, kind of quickly, is this what the Celtics
will look like when the season starts next year.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
They're still going to pursue some changes, but I mean,
this is already a dramatic change, and I think it
was called for. I think they needed to do something drastic,
and to me, breaking up the two Jays would have
been too drastic. I know Marcus Smart is a beloved
Celtic and he's been there for nine years, but I
applaud the bold swing. It's the riskiest move Brad Stevens
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has made since he's taken over. And you know, Porzingi's
had a career season, but he did it in Washington
with a team that was really going nowhere. In new expectations,
He's stepping up considerably, taking a huge step into the
scrutiny fakes, I mean, the attention and screwed me. I mean,
the Celtics are expected to win a championship, so let's
(31:47):
see what he can do for them. But you know,
I like seeing the bold.
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The game today is Odds and ends.
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Speaker 7 (32:56):
Here on the Doug Gottlieb Show, Odds and n And
the name of the game is odds and all Right, Doug,
I'm going to give you certain odds and these all
have to do with the NBA most connected to the
NBA Draft, And you can tell us what side of
the lines you like, or you can even just pass
on the bet if you'd like. How about that fair enough?
All right, let's start Chris Paul's points per game. These
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odds courtesy have bet Online. Chris Paul points per game
over under twelve and.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
A half, gonna go under under?
Speaker 7 (33:29):
Okay, all right, what about Jordan?
Speaker 3 (33:33):
So listen, So I hope people understand. Okay, this is
my belief. Okay.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
And sometimes when we put things out on social we
clip things for times sake, okay, And and I know,
you know, yesterday I said, look, I think it's he's
a backup point guard. It's not because I don't think
Chris Paul was awesome. He's just it's really hard to
play two smaller guards together anyway, especially in the postseason,
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a little bit less so in the regular season. But
I also think at thirty what is he going to
be next year? Thirty eight, thirty nine, Like, look, dude,
he's better off playing against backups. It's just it's a
better life, it's a better season, you'll have a better career,
you have more impact. And I think, you know, if
you embrace that you can be very successful. If you
want to be a starter, go on a bad team.
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But as to be a backup on the Warriors, I
think it works. I don't think it works as him
as a starter. I think under twelve twelve.
Speaker 7 (34:29):
Game perfect transition to Jordan Poole's points per game over
under now with the Wizards twenty three and a half.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Over under a pass a lot of I.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Do know, Like you look at their roster, You're like, man,
who else is going to get buckets right.
Speaker 7 (34:44):
In the final score? Is that not from DC PACER's
one away Wizards eighty one?
Speaker 2 (34:49):
I'll go over. He aver aged twenty game this year.
There's twenty game this year.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
I'm a really good team.
Speaker 7 (34:54):
What about christophs porzingis in Boston? Twenty and a half's
the over under bet online.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Under And I know he had just be a good year,
but I mean, like you have Tatum and Brown, right, yeah,
he ain't scoring more than twenty a game.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Stop. That's that one's an easy bet.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
All right.
Speaker 7 (35:07):
A couple on Victor webbin Yama his points per game
over under right now set at seventeen and a half.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
That's what he averaged this year in Europe.
Speaker 7 (35:16):
Hm, I'll go over over Okay, I thought you were
trending towards under with that over all right? What about
his rebounds per game eight and a half? Pass all right?
And I could pass, Yes, you can absolutely. You don't
want to bet everything, right, you know he takes some
(35:38):
gotta have some discretion. What about total regular season games
played for Webbin Yama that is at sixty four and
a half.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
H I'm gonna go under.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
I mean, they were the ones who started the started
the load management a long time ago anyway, and at
some point it'll be like, why are we playing this
guy so much? He's got to work on his body,
I'll say under.
Speaker 7 (36:00):
All right, Final one, Doug, I'm going to give you
a list of names and you could tell me where
you find value. I'll give you their odds as well.
Rookie of the Year right now, Wembin Yama is minus
two hundred. But how about these names. You got Scoot
Henderson at plus three fifty, chet Homegren at plus five hundred.
Right now, at ten to one, that's plus one thousand,
(36:21):
is Brandon Miller. Grady Dick is forty to one, as
is Taylor Hendrix. Just some of the names. Do you
find any value in any of those names?
Speaker 3 (36:29):
I find no value in Grady Dick's jacket last night?
That was Were they that Dorothy slippers?
Speaker 7 (36:34):
Was that the explanation that he gave.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Yeah, it was bad, Yes it was. It was bad.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Just wear a suit, wear a tie, be a dude.
I really like Scoot because I think ultimately they trade
Damian Lillard and he's played two years of professional basketball,
and I wouldn't. I would throw some money on Chet Holmgren.
I would because he's had a year. The problem with
Chet Holmgren is you got Shay Gildess Alexander he in
(37:00):
a ton of shots. I think Scoot is the smart bet.
That's the smart money. There's a lot of value in both.
Speaker 7 (37:05):
There so and there. It is your debut episode of
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I do. Let's let's let's focus on that.
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different today. Okay, so here's the deal. I don't know, John,
You and I weren't texting last night, So if you
weren't watching, totally understand. Because you have kids, you coach softball,
Lucas Scott baseball, it's the summer. I know that Buyer
was watching because he's like me, like, we can't get
enough of this stuff. And I know that Jay Stu
(01:03):
was watching because now can he not give it?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
But he asked me.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Some really really good questions, and I also know that,
Uh this is like a.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
This is great. Here here's the parallel I'll make.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
You ever have something in life that you know a
lot about, it's just like this random Cliff Craven. Uh no, me,
I know this you right, Like you know about something
that other people don't know that much about. And then
there's that you walk into a conversation and all of
a sudden your brain lights up. Like the first time
(01:41):
I experienced this was my daughter Grace. Oh man, how
old was she She was probably she was probably like
eight at the time. And we go to Hawaii and
we go on a on a boat and we're going like,
we go watch Dolph, we go swim with the you know,
we see the dolphins, and then we go storkling, right,
(02:02):
so they start talking about spinner dolphins and she's like, uh,
she's like rain man, like they're nocturnal, like, and she
knows all these all the different dolphins are like, how
does she know all this stuff? And at some point
she went down the rabbit hole of the internet and
was fascinated by dolphins and literally can tell you everything
you need to know about dolphins. I'm sure you have
(02:25):
something like that in life, right. Sometimes it's a city,
you know, have you ever been to Boston? Yes, I
have been to Boston, matter of fact, Johnny Tremaine and YadA, YadA, YadA.
I have some things like that, like things that I
know a lot about for no particularly and the basketball
not NBA Draft is a big one. NBA Draft is
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buying should be. I do feel like this is something
that I do, I know a lot about, and it's
(03:10):
like it's one of those things. Also that it's not
really always the place in doing a national sports radio
show to get too much inside baseball and tell you
about things you don't know about.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
But there are things in what you're.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Watching you're like, hey, I don't this is different. I
don't understand. So there's a bunch of elements to last
night which are really interesting. There were two different broadcasts
from the same company. One was a network TV broadcast.
One was a cable TV broadcast, And I don't watch
TV differently, but apparently people do, and that's why they
(03:44):
did it differently. There's the We've always had teams play
on players from foreign countries that we don't know about,
but now we have we have American athletes playing in
our country and we don't see that even though they're
not playing in high school. And we had a bunch
of those guys drafted to G League. Ignite had four
(04:05):
players drafted. Overtime Lead had the Thompson Twins draft.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
So what is it? Is it? Eight seven seven ninety
nine one fox? Is that the number? If you have
a pertinent, poignant question, feel free?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
But I know Ramos did Buyer has questions and opinions
as well. But it's it's amazing that and you get
this question all the time. How can the same company, ESPN,
how can they have two drafts and they feel completely
(04:41):
different from one another?
Speaker 3 (04:43):
How can that be?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Like ESPN has done the NFL draft forever for our
entire adult lifetime and most of our like you know.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
How long did you have boomer?
Speaker 4 (04:55):
What?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I have some really dated musical reference and you go
to Melchiper Junior and now over the last probably fifteen years,
you've had Todd mcshade there as well. And then you know,
they've had guys from Mike Orvan, you name it. They
slide other people in a round. But those have been
and they are the staple for how to do it?
How do you go from that to the same network?
(05:18):
And last night was just kind of weird. It wasn't bad,
It wasn't good. And oh yeah, by the way, like
our need to have parents involved, and I actually get it,
like most of those stories of parents are beautiful stories
(05:43):
and having them there is awesome because I can tell
you and I know this is not My daughter is
an athlete, my son is an athlete. But and I
coach an AAU program, so I've been around this, So
parental involved.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Forget about what you read. Okay, that doesn't.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Break down to race, because like you're not going to
be anything these days unless you have somebody who helps
you get to where you're going. I mean, that was
honestly the thing my dad did for kids for years.
God rest his soul was he would drive. That's that's
(06:24):
my whole childhood. It sounded like from like fifth grade
on was get in the car with my dad after
school and we drive to San Diego, meet meet Adam
Walton's mom, Sally Walton, to pick him up for practice.
Sometimes go halfway to Bakersfield.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
A guy named J R.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Henderson played at UCLA, play in the NBA, played forever
in Japan. Now coach, we meet to the like we'd
go wherever because kids couldn't get a ride to go
to practice. And if you can't practice, can't win. He
won't get any better. And there just weren't good enough
players where I was, or dedicate enough guys could get
you kind of give you a good enough team to
compete at the highest level. So this is something my
(07:05):
entire life has been around AAU youth basketball whatever. Obviously
I have covered college basketball forever, cover NBA basketball for
twenty years. Many of the guys that I grew up
playing with are now coaches or in the front office.
And this is one of those like, yeah, there's a
lot that I know about and still some things that
don't make sense to me and things that have changed
(07:26):
over time. So Jay Stu hit me with you didn't
know what overtime elite was, and you didn't know what
the G League IG Nite was.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
Correct, Yeah, whichever team is in Georgia.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
That's an overtime elite that's in Atlanta, Okay.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
And then yeah, the other wherever Scoot went.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
He went to the G League A Knight, which was
in northern California. Though I think they're changing locations to
maybe they're in Henderson, Nevada now, but they were. They
were what's that area called shoot I can't remember. It's
over the hill from Oakland Man Walnut Creek.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
They used to be in Walnut Creek. Now they're in Henderson, Nevada.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Right, So you didn't know about Okay, So the G
League I Knight, the G League Knight is, and again
the NBA is in this weird spot where they were
trying to create a model that mirrored Europe's model. Here's
the best way I can express it, Okay, G League
Knight is. You skip college, you go straight to the
(08:27):
G League A Knight, You play against other G League teams.
You are coached by Jason Hart who Jason was a
longtime NBA point guard, become college assistant at USC.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Of course played at Syracuse.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
And so you're playing against G leaguers and half your
team is made up of guys that would be freshmen
or seniors in high school or would be freshmen in college,
and then half of it is a couple guys like
that named Pooh Jeter who played at the University of
Portland and then was a legend kind of overseas and
now his move didn't do an executive role in the NBA,
(09:02):
but you'd have like an old head or two that
would help kind of guide these guys on their path
so they're playing against g leaguers. Overtime Elite Overtime was
I think it started as a website and then it
was as a Twitter and Instagram handle that had millions
of followers. I think it really made Hay when they
had when Zion Williamson was in high school.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
In Aau and with the money that they.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Made, they built this beautiful facility and they became a
landing spot. And this was talked about from a lot
of different angles of Hey, how can we get high
school players that want to be NBA players and don't
really want to go to the traditional route, and so
they do have some educational courses. You can supposedly go
to college from it, but I don't think anybody's gone
(09:47):
to college from overtime elite and you play against other
prep schools, so you're like paid to go to prep
school and all you do is basketball for the most part.
So those those are the two different places that we're discussing.
Did I leave anything? Is there anything else you need
to know about those two?
Speaker 5 (10:01):
I mean the reason why I asked is because I
consider myself a pretty good barometer of like your average
viewer of the draft last night, and them having to
do introduction vignettes, introduction packages to get people to know
who these people are speaks a lot to the general
interest of the draft because nobody really knows these kids.
(10:23):
And then when they talked about these ignite teams and whatnot,
exactly what is that? Why did they choose that path?
Why is that better for their development and their profile
than the college game. I just had all these questions
to ask of you.
Speaker 6 (10:35):
You know, yeah, I would say, oh, man, I would
say this, Uh, the NBA, I.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
There was a time when all this started. There's never
been a great relationship between the NBA and the NCAA
for basketball, right, And this is you go back and
when Adam Silver took over, he wanted to mirror the
model of European clubs, and European clubs they have junior
(11:13):
teams where they develop players. The problem with it is
that the European professional basketball model is completely different than
the college basketball NBA model here. And the missing piece
to it is there's a promotional tour tool. There's also
an educational tool, which it may not be needed for
(11:37):
kids that are good enough to play and you can
identify them at sixteen seventeen years old pretty easily. But
for the vast majority of them, it's a great opportunity
to do both. And you don't have that overseas. You
don't have necessarily the you don't have necessarily the imbalance
(11:59):
and any if you will, of education overseas like you
do in the United States. It reminds me, honestly of
when people try and compare like, well, you know, in Denmark, Okay,
they have universal health care and they charge sixty at
sixty percent tax rate, and yet everybody's happy, nobody has cancer,
(12:20):
blah blah blah. He's like, dude, we're not Denmark. We
have one hundred years of doing it this way and
you can't slide into doing it a different way, especially
when part of the big like last night, was a
promotional tool, but tour tool. But instead of being a
promotional tool, it's an introductory tool. Because you had how
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many college basketball players are taken in the first round?
And even of those college basketball players, how many could
you actually name? How many of have you seen play?
Dan Bayer, you love basketball, love basketball, golf, NFL football,
and I feel like college basketball.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
I could be wrong.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
That's as much of a passion for you as anything
outside of NFL football and golf.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Is that fair?
Speaker 7 (13:08):
I do enjoy college hoops, yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
How many of the first round picks in the NBA
Draft have you actually seen playing?
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Probably less than than six.
Speaker 7 (13:20):
Grady Dick obviously was a name at Kansas, but yeah,
for sure, handful at best.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
And that's a college basketball fan. I'm just I'm not
saying this because I love college basketball because it provided
me everything that I need. Okay, everything that I need,
everything that I've done in life has been provided to
me because of college basketball.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Everything. It's it's because.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
I also am far enough from the forest where I
can see the trees and there is no buzz, no
hype outside of Victor Webbin Yama. And it's not just
these number one pick and he seven foot five, but
they did everything in their power to tell you this
guy is. Like I saw Jason McIntyre tweet he's gonna
be top the All NBA. What like for Victor Webin
(14:19):
Yama to be All NBA in his first year, Okay,
that means he has to be a center. Okay, the
top three centers this year in All NBA. Okay, we're
Dematas Sabonis, We're Nikolie Jokic, and we're Joel Embiid. Anthony
Davis is not listed. There's several others like he's not
going to be All NBA, like the hype is, it's
(14:41):
not very likely at all, But we're just we feel
the need to massively over hype guys because otherwise, why
would you care. They're all eighteen nineteen years old. They're
not gonna help or play or do much of anything
on winning teams teams actually pay attention to for a
couple of years.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
That's the reality to it.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
So I think it comes down to where the NBA
is kind of halfway in between trying to copy the
European model and trying to stick with the traditional system
and the European model, though it has produced some very
good players and maybe refined players, and it cuts out
the educational piece, which people don't seem to value nearly
as much anymore. It's for a different like, for a
(15:26):
different style of basketball, for a different thing. It just is,
you know, foreign teams and their success is or financial
success is not based upon their TV revenue or their
TV deal.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
They get money from sponsors, and they get money from
sponsors based upon their location and if they win now honestly,
like season tickets aren't nearly as much of a driver
for them financially as they are here. It's such a
different system, Yl Jason, I can be of service.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
With no No, you're good. I think Dan had something.
Speaker 7 (16:08):
Yeah, I Doug. I took My takeaway from last night
was it was an interesting crossroads of what you expect
from a draft broadcast of what the NBA was, what
the NBA is, what college basketball was in is. And
the reason I say that is I think that as
a college basketball fan and someone who grew up loving
(16:29):
the draft, it is not the same draft that it
that it was twenty or thirty years ago. But that's
nothing different. What I thought was was so unique last night,
and and ESPN has done this with the NFL Draft,
but it's easier to actually do with the NFL Draft
when you split broadcasts. What I found last night was
you really didn't have anybody there to fit the true
(16:51):
need of what you needed from the broadcast outside of
J Billis, And only J Billis could do so much
because of the different avenues all these players come from.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
There, there was.
Speaker 7 (17:05):
Like, that's the toughest part about it is it's good,
it's not it's not what it once was. So when
you have players that you don't know, you have players
coming from different directions, you have players coming from from Europe,
there's no one there to tell us about them. And
I would even argue, as we've talked about on this
show many times, how the NBA is changing. Now we're
(17:27):
wondering who's going to help a big three, when the
conversation should be, you know what, who's going to be
the Christian Braun of the Denver Nuggets. Who is going
to be that player that is going to be able
to have that current impact on a team. Right now?
We have player comps, we have projections, and it's just
to me, it was really tough to hit the moving
(17:49):
target last night.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Well, I agree.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
There's also no debate, right, It's like j Bill says it,
and that's what it is. Like what like huh? And
there was no negativity, right, none? Like I mean, look,
Jet Howard gets drafted really high by the Orlando Magic, right,
didn't they move up to draft him? They draft him
(18:15):
very early, and I think you would have been around
late in the first round, And like, you know, I
get it, Like we all loved watching Juwan Howard plays great, dude,
there's no negative there. But like I saw him play,
didn't guard anybody, then move great? Two thirds of his
shots are threes, right, and not a rebounder for his size,
So I thought Orlando massively reached. And why are you
(18:38):
taking a guy that high, right, or even the okay
Scoot Henderson versus Brandon Miller, Like that's a that's something
I mean, I would love.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Who wouldn't love to go and spa on that one?
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Right?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
And then you're like, wow, do you take Scoot considering
you have you have a LaMelo ball and how does
that work together? And my argument would have been like mm,
if you like him better, then you take him because
it's not like the horns are good anyway. At least
they're entertaining, and then it kind of all fit works
itself out over time.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
But yeah, I agree with you. It was not you
put people.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
You didn't put enough people in position to succeed because
you tried to please everybody, and when you please everybody,
you please no one.
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Speaker 3 (20:06):
Mark, thanks so much for joining us. I've said this
all week. I think. Look, do I think Victor webin
Yam has a chance to be a great player? I do.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
I think a little bit of the oversale of even
his floor is because the NBA is trying, especially ESPN
or both of us used to work there. They're trying
to get attention to a product in the NBA draft
where most people have never seen any of these kids play.
It's like more of an introduction than a selection, and
it's their way of kind of overcompensating for the lack
(20:38):
of hypes surrounding the entire draft.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Is that fair?
Speaker 4 (20:42):
I think I fall between what you're describing from our
old friends in Bristol and where you are. I certainly,
to me, it's perfectly fine and should be quite complimentary,
to say, most anticipated and most highly rated draft prospects
(21:03):
since Lebron in two thousand and three. To me, that's
pretty teddy talks. That would be enough. When we start
hearing best prospect in pro sports history, that's when I
agree with you, because you know it's a frequent comp
that is thrown out as he shoots like Durant, he
(21:25):
doesn't shoot like Kevin Durant. He has easy range. I
like the way Nikola Batum's countryman describes it. He has
easy range like Porzingis. But the last two years in
the French League he shot sub thirty percent from the
three point line. And we know the three point line
is closer in Europe than it is in the NBA.
So the height is largely justified. But I'm with you,
(21:49):
it is it is it has been over the top
too much.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Well, I just think that, like they're the idea of
trying to create a system which mirrors Europe. That's overtime elite,
that's G League, ignite you And I know this better
than anybody, that European basketball is.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
There's not hype there. They don't need it.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
That's not how they sell tickets, that's not how they
keep the lights on. It's a completely different way of
doing business. And it is here. It is important here,
and like we keep diminishing college basketball. But one thing
that college basketball, much like college football, has done is
it promotes the players time and again many times above
(22:31):
their actual level of skill. And that the NFA, NBA
benefits from it, and because it's been diminished and because
so many fewer prospects playing it, that they're struggling to
have that same level of attention and hype at the
NBA Draft.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Well, the case of web Minyama, though, it is so
unique in terms of, you know, this is the league
that you know just hates the word tay, hates the
concept of tanking, hates the discussion of tanking. You saw
what happened to the Dallas Mavericks, who you know, were
find seven hundred and fifty K for tanking a game
(23:13):
or two at the end of the season. But when
Benyama's games were shown on the NBA app, the league's
official app all season long, it's never happened. The NBA
has done as much to fuel the attention that Ween Beyona,
that Ween Benyama has generated. I mean, they've been a
(23:33):
huge part of it. I mean, I think one of
the most amazing SATs of the twenty twenty two to
twenty three seasons is Victor wen Benyama finished eighth among
all players in views on the NBA's official social media channels,
having played zero minutes in the NBA. You don't see
that every day we've never seen that, and look, he
is good enough to justify uns of it. We've never
(23:56):
seen a big guy move like this, and we've never
seen a big guy with his offensive skills. But he
relishes defense, wants to be a defensive anchor, is already
a proven difference maker on the defensive end. So, like
I said, I'm not trying to this guy is a
generational prospect. But you know, when I hear like you,
(24:18):
when I hear he is the greatest prospect that we've
ever seen across professional sports. And we just dial it
down a touch a little bit.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
You do a podcast, Mark Steiner's podcast with Chris Haynes, okay,
and Chris Haynes is he's actually a remarkable personal story,
right and in his rise to prominence and now doing
this podcast, doing sidelines for TNT, writing for Yahoo Sports,
all that stuff. But Chris Haynes kind of came up
in northern California, right, And Damian Lillard's from Oakland most famously, right,
(24:49):
So there's obviously relationship there. And so the most recent
Chris Haynes' tweet is that there's been zero engagement or
discussion between Damian Lillard and the Portland trailer. This is
like the we're all waiting for that inevitable conclusion that
Damien wants out of Portland after what they did last night.
Where does that stand from your insider knowledge?
Speaker 4 (25:12):
I think you're right. I think the whole league is
waiting to see it because the Blazers have made it
quite clear they are not going to initiate a Damian
Lillard trade. When teams were calling this week, they didn't
want to engage in the hypothetical of Damian Lillard becoming available.
It's going to take Damian Lillard going to them and
(25:34):
saying that he wants to be moved. And to this
point still, you know, I've said it, I don't know
how many times this month, but it is where we
are on June twenty third. He has not made any
declarations or applied any pressure on the Blazers to move him.
Is that forthcoming? I can promise you Chris will know
(25:55):
before I do. But I would also say this, This
is you know, the Blazers are in a pretty enviable position,
as dire as that might sound, because they drafted a
guy who by all accounts, and Scoot Henderson does have
franchise player potential everyone in the league thinks. So they
(26:17):
call it a three star draft, and he went third.
And you know, they do have Jayden Sharp there, Anthony
Simon's there. If game decides, if underline, if game decides
this is the time to seek a trade, they're pretty
well positioned with what they already had and what they
(26:37):
would be adding in a trade, and Damian Lillard still
has tremendous trade value. So I would say that the
Blazers are in a very good position and had a
tremendous night, even though we really don't know where this
goes from here.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Okay, let let's let's get to some of those stuff.
Golden State Warriors. That was it felt like a lot
of financial moves that Mike Denleavy Junior made right where
you get Obviously Jordan Poole, there was more to it
than just the finances. But his extension kicks in this
year that changes their salaries dramatically and allows them to
(27:13):
potentially re sign Draymond Green. And then some of the movements,
some of the other movements they made. What's the league's
reaction to Chris Paul who's a former rival, heated hated
rival even this year.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Now being steps back up.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Just like with Dame, everybody in the league wants to
see what happens here because it is hard to picture
Chris Paul just sauntering in to the Warriors' locker room
and everybody just putting the pass aside and let's hoop.
I mean, it is hard to picture. But the first
thing you said is what's it play here? This is
(27:51):
at its core, it is about finances, and it's not
just Golden State. It's a bunch of teams around the league.
And you're you're gonna likely see more trade activity before
free agency starts because teams are trying to get in
front of the new collective bargain agreement that takes hold
on June thirtieth slash July first. And the Phoenix Suns
(28:14):
they've decided to just blow pass the first tax apron,
the second tax aprons, and they're prepared to deal with
whatever restrictions there are in terms of putting guys around
what is still a quartette of Durant, Booker, Aayton and
now Bradley Beal. But nobody else wants to do it
the way the Suns are doing. The Warriors want to
(28:36):
keep their Stephen Curry, Clay Thompson, Draymond Green. They want
to keep that trio together. To do it, they had
to shed some salary. Obviously, given all the tensions last
season after the punch in practice, it made sense that
Jordan Poole, with his contract, with all of the tension
that lingered last season, that he would be the one
(28:58):
to go if they could find a trade partner. And
I actually thought they would have a supper time finding
a trade partner, but they could have sent Jordan Poole elsewhere.
So interesting that Washington, when they're in the middle of
cutting all this salary, that they're the team that decides
to snap up Jordan Pools. But you're going to see
more of these moves that have a financial basis to
(29:20):
it because the landscape is changing dramatically because of this
new collective bargaining agreement.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Is Andrew Wiggins a Warrior next year?
Speaker 4 (29:29):
I think so. I think this is the big change.
I don't see them. I don't see them drastically changing
the core further because part of this also is look,
Raymond Green declined as player options. I think he's staying
with Golden State. I have struggled to imagine any scenario
(29:50):
that he leaves. You know, Draymond Green has been as
vocal as anyone about his desire to resign there. He
said it on his podcast, he said it on our
podcast with Chris Paynes and I he wants to retire
a Warrior. He wants to ride out with the guys.
He wrote in with but saying all that, Sacramento, after
what they did on Draft night, has created a lot
(30:10):
of cap room. There might be another suitor or two
because Draymond Green is an unrestricted free agent or he
will be on June thirtieth, and the Warriors just don't
want to take that chance and they needed to create
some additional flexibility to make sure that they can resign
Raymond Green. So that was another element of this trait.
As far as Chris Paul becoming a Warrior, I mean,
(30:32):
Chris Paul is one of the smartest players ever. They
it's a smart team. They have the ability to figure
out the x's and oh's. You all, I mean you
know this. You played the sport at a high level
and I have it. Smart guys know how to play.
Are going to figure it out. But yes, the curiosity
is not going away. At the staff of some fingers.
(30:53):
We need to see this, We need to see what
this looks like, what it looks like to have Chris
Paul out there in a warrior's uniform.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Last thing, kind of quickly, is this what the Celtics
will look like when the season starts next year.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
They're still going to pursue some changes, but I mean,
this is already a dramatic change, and I think it
was called for. I think they needed to do something drastic,
and to me, breaking up the two Jays would have
been too drastic. I know Marcus Smart is a beloved
Celtic and he's been there for nine years, but I
applaud the bold swing. It's the riskiest move Brad Stevens
(31:27):
has made since he's taken over. And you know, Porzingi's
had a career season, but he did it in Washington
with a team that was really going nowhere. In new expectations,
He's stepping up considerably, taking a huge step into the
scrutiny fakes, I mean, the attention and screwed me. I mean,
the Celtics are expected to win a championship, so let's
(31:47):
see what he can do for them. But you know,
I like seeing the bold.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
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Thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
You got it.
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The game today is Odds and ends.
Speaker 8 (32:54):
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Speaker 5 (32:55):
We have a new game.
Speaker 7 (32:56):
Here on the Doug Gottlieb Show, Odds and n And
the name of the game is odds and all Right, Doug,
I'm going to give you certain odds and these all
have to do with the NBA most connected to the
NBA Draft, And you can tell us what side of
the lines you like, or you can even just pass
on the bet if you'd like. How about that fair enough?
All right, let's start Chris Paul's points per game. These
(33:19):
odds courtesy have bet Online. Chris Paul points per game
over under twelve and.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
A half, gonna go under under?
Speaker 7 (33:29):
Okay, all right, what about Jordan?
Speaker 3 (33:33):
So listen, So I hope people understand. Okay, this is
my belief. Okay.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
And sometimes when we put things out on social we
clip things for times sake, okay, And and I know,
you know, yesterday I said, look, I think it's he's
a backup point guard. It's not because I don't think
Chris Paul was awesome. He's just it's really hard to
play two smaller guards together anyway, especially in the postseason,
(33:59):
a little bit less so in the regular season. But
I also think at thirty what is he going to
be next year? Thirty eight, thirty nine, Like, look, dude,
he's better off playing against backups. It's just it's a
better life, it's a better season, you'll have a better career,
you have more impact. And I think, you know, if
you embrace that you can be very successful. If you
want to be a starter, go on a bad team.
(34:21):
But as to be a backup on the Warriors, I
think it works. I don't think it works as him
as a starter. I think under twelve twelve.
Speaker 7 (34:29):
Game perfect transition to Jordan Poole's points per game over
under now with the Wizards twenty three and a half.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Over under a pass a lot of I.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Do know, Like you look at their roster, You're like, man,
who else is going to get buckets right.
Speaker 7 (34:44):
In the final score? Is that not from DC PACER's
one away Wizards eighty one?
Speaker 2 (34:49):
I'll go over. He aver aged twenty game this year.
There's twenty game this year.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
I'm a really good team.
Speaker 7 (34:54):
What about christophs porzingis in Boston? Twenty and a half's
the over under bet online.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Under And I know he had just be a good year,
but I mean, like you have Tatum and Brown, right, yeah,
he ain't scoring more than twenty a game.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Stop. That's that one's an easy bet.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
All right.
Speaker 7 (35:07):
A couple on Victor webbin Yama his points per game
over under right now set at seventeen and a half.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
That's what he averaged this year in Europe.
Speaker 7 (35:16):
Hm, I'll go over over Okay, I thought you were
trending towards under with that over all right? What about
his rebounds per game eight and a half? Pass all right?
And I could pass, Yes, you can absolutely. You don't
want to bet everything, right, you know he takes some
(35:38):
gotta have some discretion. What about total regular season games
played for Webbin Yama that is at sixty four and
a half.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
H I'm gonna go under.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
I mean, they were the ones who started the started
the load management a long time ago anyway, and at
some point it'll be like, why are we playing this
guy so much? He's got to work on his body,
I'll say under.
Speaker 7 (36:00):
All right, Final one, Doug, I'm going to give you
a list of names and you could tell me where
you find value. I'll give you their odds as well.
Rookie of the Year right now, Wembin Yama is minus
two hundred. But how about these names. You got Scoot
Henderson at plus three fifty, chet Homegren at plus five hundred.
Right now, at ten to one, that's plus one thousand,
(36:21):
is Brandon Miller. Grady Dick is forty to one, as
is Taylor Hendrix. Just some of the names. Do you
find any value in any of those names?
Speaker 3 (36:29):
I find no value in Grady Dick's jacket last night?
That was Were they that Dorothy slippers?
Speaker 7 (36:34):
Was that the explanation that he gave.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Yeah, it was bad, Yes it was. It was bad.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Just wear a suit, wear a tie, be a dude.
I really like Scoot because I think ultimately they trade
Damian Lillard and he's played two years of professional basketball,
and I wouldn't. I would throw some money on Chet Holmgren.
I would because he's had a year. The problem with
Chet Holmgren is you got Shay Gildess Alexander he in
(37:00):
a ton of shots. I think Scoot is the smart bet.
That's the smart money. There's a lot of value in both.
Speaker 7 (37:05):
There so and there. It is your debut episode of
Odds and Ends in Game Time.
Speaker 8 (37:10):
Hereds and Show, John, this is Game TODs on the
Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Odds and End. Her end was quite odd. M it's
an odd end to that production coming up in the
Doug Gotlip Show. We're live at the Direct dot Com studios. Uh,
I got a bunch of stuff I want to get to.
I want to tell you what I think is going
on with the Portland Trailblazers.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
I do. Let's let's let's focus on that.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
What's What's what's going on with the Blazers? Seems pretty simple.
I'll explain next on The Doug Gotlieb Show.
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