July 6, 2023 • 46 mins
Doug talks about recent media firings including HBO cancelling their show hosted by Bomani Jones. Doug also has some words for Stephen A Smith. Doug reacts to Colin Cowherd's take about the Knicks. Doug explains why the Jeff Van Gundy firing is the most annoying thing today. Also, Doug gives out his Pick Of The Day.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, is the Doug Gottlieb Show Heres in the
bonus with Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
The Gottlieb Show in the Bonus. Man, we have a
great pod for you because the cool thing about this
pot is we can talk about stuff that doesn't really
fit on radio but everyone in the business talks about
and we can have real conversations about it, which is
(00:32):
where I want to start. We got a great what
the Fox Says for you, Broussard on the Nicks, Albert
Breer on the relationship between Robert crafton Bill Belichick and
Colin Coward also talking about the Knicks. Plus I have
some more insight on the industry with your annoying and
something I thought was freaking awesome last night in baseball.
(00:55):
And we have a really good because we can There's
just a bunch of bunch of stuff to get to. Okay,
let me let me start with this.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I have been in this industry for twenty years. This
is my twentieth year in national sports radio, and there's
a lot of things that have changed. Obviously, podcasts were
around when I when I started, they just weren't and
neither was Twitter. Which did you guys make the switch
or did you guys begin the switch or do we
(01:29):
do both?
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Like?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
What is the what is the feeling on what we
do with threads?
Speaker 4 (01:35):
I it was like a paint by numbers yesterday. I
just I followed whatever Meta prompted me to do. I did,
but I haven't done anything. I haven't posted. I don't
even know how to how the what the functionality is.
I just started the process of alerting people that I'm
I'm I'm starting this thing, but I have no.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Day, I'm here, I'm around. Yeah, So, uh you know,
I have uh like two hundred and sixty eight thousand
followers on Twitter. I have three hundred and fifty five
on Threads, so hopefully that that grows exponentially over time.
But it's it's obviously like this is Zuckerberg versus Elon,
(02:15):
not in the cage match as has been proposed and
apparently agreed to. This is the social media war. And
among the things, I feel like people have said, hey,
what's the matter with Twitter? And I kind of think
that what's happened to ESPN is what's happened to Twitter.
(02:38):
I found the perfect analogy. Tell me if this works
for you. Okay, when I was at ESPN. I remember
I was there for nine years on campus. I worked
the one year as a local radio host in Oklahoma City,
and I did kind of low level ESPN games, ESPN
(02:59):
Plus games, Cowboy Sports Property games. When I was at
at ESPN, I really feel this way that it was
the best of ESPN. Now it was after Keith and Dan,
(03:19):
which is when it really kind of made its mark.
You know, everybody watched Keith and Dan on Sports Center.
Everybody done. It was freaking cool. There was nothing like
being on Sports Center when you were an athlete. That
was the peak of Dick by Tow was when I
was an athlete. If Dick vy Tow did your game,
your game was the biggest sporting event on Earth. And
(03:40):
if Sports Center led with your game, your game was
the biggest game on Earth. Like, it was a really
cool thing. And when I was there, like I could
paint you a picture that was super dope. Where the
first radio studios we were in was like this building
off to the side of the cafeteria. And you know
(04:01):
Dan and then Colin right, so did Colin preceded Dan?
Right when they first they had Tony Kornheiser, Then they
hired Colin to replace Tony Kornheiser, So it's Colin, then Dan,
and then it ended up being me. But this was
long before that. It was they had the Sports Brothers.
Do you guys remember the sports was Eric Cacilius and
his brother I forget his brother's name, And like I,
(04:24):
you'd roll up at My show was seven to one am,
and so I'd roll up at like four four thirty
because back then you were told like an hour prep
for every hour you're on the show. You're like, dude,
I'm six hours prepping, Like that's not really realistic. But
you get there super early. You get ready for all
the games. It was a show called Game Night, Me
and Chuck Wilson and like I remember, like Casilius and
(04:47):
his brother we throw the football round out in the
parking lot in between segments or when they were on tape.
You know, it was a very communal feel. Well, what's
happened since? Obviously streaming has taken away from the cable bundle,
and I would say politics has gotten in the way. Right,
Politics has driven a wedge into everything we've done. Every
(05:09):
relationship you have, politics has played a part in it.
And you could sit here and argue back and forth
about your politics, but you're only making my point that
political warfare has become so toxic. It has invaded every
part of your life and it sucks. It sucks, And
I could, I could, I could blame Trump, but I
(05:30):
would just as much blame all of the TV networks that,
whether they believed he could win or didn't believe he
can win, they just chased the ratings and put him on.
And there was already a ton of vitriol. I mean,
really this happened. I think you know, when Obama was
running and you had people like Trump saying he wasn't
(05:52):
born in the United States, it just became political warfare.
You picked a side and that was the only fucking
side you were on, and everything became an argument. And
I would agree with with Dan Lebattard in that political
debate or debate on TV you know has been bad because,
like you have, I was hired a guy who now
(06:16):
works for Colin with the volume of guy. Well, I
think he's brilliant, guy named Jamie Horwitz. Now, now Jamie
created Sports Nation, which was not a debate show, it
was a clip show. And then you worked in two
really clever people especially Michelle Beadle, super clever, very funny,
very bright, very talented, and then he had Colin and
the whole thing worked. But he's most credited with creating
(06:39):
First Take, which was a segment from Cold Pizza that
blew up and became like a whole show, and now
it's the biggest show ESPN has Daily Show, ESPN has
PTI is not really a debate show, right, PTI is
more of the feel like PTI is awesome, but no
one's been able to recreate that relationship or that dynamic
or Frankly, Tony Kornheiser makes it like Will Bon's great
(07:03):
with Tony, but Will Bond is no one repeats for
the most part, Wilbot he's great on TV because he
has opinions, but he's just he doesn't come across as
a dick. And Tony is so self deprecating. So he's
the Larry David of sports TV, right, But Jamie Horowitz
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is so when Jamie Horowitz came to Fox after a
short stit with NBC News, he tried to recreate and
did recreate the same thing. And when you're successful at
two places with one style, everybody's like, well, let's just
copy that and every show will be some form of
debate show. But I think politics has really hurt ESPN
(07:49):
because it's like, Okay, if you talk about politics, half
the world is gonna hate you, no matter what your
what's your stances. Half the world's gonna hate you. The
world might like you, half the world's gonna hate you, period.
Stop So politics, I think the changing business model. I
(08:09):
think money, you know, And what happened was, you know,
for a long time they tried to keep the salaries
down of the talented guys and gals on Sports Center,
and then when John Skipper was there, he kind of
flipped that and started overpaying people and that brings gigantic jealousy.
But we're in a crazy place now, right. Kishaan Johnson's
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on a new contract. He's making five Why was Keshon
Johnson making five million a year? I mean, I guess
he had. Part of it was he had to move
to New York. I mean, no one ever, actually ever
says that, Like, why was Kishawan making five million? Well,
he was in LA. He was doing an LA show.
He was you know, you know, in order to get
somebody to move across the country as an adult they're
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gonna have to pay you plus to live in New
York exponentially more expensive. And if you're doing a morning show,
they got to pay to get up up. So I
don't know if five million is the right number, but
it was the number that he negotiated. But that brings jealousy,
and look what's that? And so now ESPN has you know,
ESPN dot com. Everything used to be free. Now it's
(09:14):
behind a paywall. Now Espn Plus you got to pay
for that if you want to see that. What's changed
with Twitter? Politics have fucking ruined it? Right? You know,
Trump could tweet whatever he wanted, and all of a
sudden then they held Trump accountable and wouldn't let him
tweet out lies. But other people are lying, and they're
on Twitter like where we where do we draw the balance? Right?
(09:35):
And then the jealousy and then Elon buys it, and
then all of a sudden, now you do away with
the blue check mark, so anything kind of becomes legitimate
even though it's illegitimate. And there's all these different ads
on there again basically behind a paywall. Now with the
check What do you think, Jason Stewart is is the
plight of ESPN like the plight of Twitter.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Yeah, that's interesting. I think they both have the same elements.
I think that you could probably make the same extension
towards a lot of aspects of our lives. I mean
news TV as well. I think they're kind of struck
with the same ailment. But what you kind of first
hit on was no one knows what the hell to
(10:20):
do with this cord cutting thing and how to monetize
the digital and all that stuff. And I think that
has a lot to do with this. But the political
things has definitely poisoned many aspects of our daily media consumption,
and ESPN seems to be like the bright and shiny
example of that.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
It is, And I think and I actually take it
as I think people should take it for to ESPN
out of a thing of respect, right, Like, it's no
matter how much Fox Sports one can rattle its cage,
no matter how much you know the podcast industry can
change their audio division, no matter how much there are imitators,
there's only on ESPN. And I do believe anybody's like, Wow,
(11:02):
that's it's gonna die, Like, no, it's not. It's it's
going to evolve and gonna change and it's still going
to be the home of sports because they own so
many of the sports properties. They just do and we
still have to watch games. It's just we watch them differently.
But I want to first get into Okay, first thing
I want to get into is Bamani Jones. So Bamani Jones.
(11:25):
He lost his HBO show. Correct, So he had HBO show.
I think he had a pretty successful podcast the ESPN.
I'm not sure that's being renewed. And then of course
he lost his radio show. He's not on TV there.
And you have people, even people who work with same
umbrella with Klay Travis, who because their political stance is
(11:48):
the opposite of Bimoni Jones, they like to say, you know,
go woke, go broke, right, and that's why he's lost
all these gigs. Do you think that's Do you think
that's what's happened, Jase? Again, this is an open forum.
There are no wrong answers. And you've been in the
same business as long as I have. What's your what
are your thoughts?
Speaker 4 (12:06):
So the the go wo go broke is a phrase
you used for companies that choose to to get into
this political thing and and they lose listeners and viewers
and advertisements. Is that the basic I guess just of
that that phrase, yes, okay, and Bemani Jones is kind
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of like you're asking me if he's an example of that.
I don't think so. I know, I think I know
why why Bimani doesn't resonate with most people. I've met Bemani.
I spent some time with him, worked with them briefly.
He's an ultra smart guy who I think talks above
the heads of a lot of people. He's he's trying
(12:47):
to entertain, and it just doesn't quite resonate, you know.
I think I've talked to you about this, like when
you get too much into the weeds about any one
thing that you know a lot about, you could tend
to lose use your listeners or viewers. And I think,
BUTMANI has a lot of smart things to say. I
don't know if he's right or wrong with it, but
I think it comes from a really informed, intelligent, educated place,
(13:12):
and I think a lot of that it just you
just kind of lose the average viewer.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Yeah, And I also think that and this is where
maybe ESPN has gone astray, and it's one of those
things where you're like, it's kind of a little bit
like what we'll talk about with the radio show with
Damian Lillard is you know, when you get to pick
who you're battling with, you know, I'll give you a
total example. Okay, this is a real thing. When Max
(13:40):
Kellerman was hired to be on First Take, Okay, I
was working for CBS at the time, and I was
told that there was a list of like three or
four people, and I was one of the three or
four people, and stephen A was the one who selected Max,
and he wanted he got to pick ultimately who he
(14:02):
wanted to work with. And so when people hear me
say things I disagree with, it's not because I'd like
still pissed to this day. I wasn't on First Take.
I think it was a mistake, but I think it
was a mistake, But that's that's not why. I just like,
I try to call it like it is. And I
(14:22):
don't like people who who are in powerful places and
claim bullshit. And I think I'm I would have been
really good next to him calling bullshit. But I don't
think that Steven A wants to have bullshit called on
him and I don't And The thing is, I think
Max is brilliant, by the way, and Max politically apparently
(14:44):
the compolar opposite of Steven A, which is interesting, but
there's a hey, you don't always make great TV with
somebody who you want to go to dinner with and
oh yeah, by the way, like Stevin A end up
really souring on Max Kellerman anyway, for the exact reason
that uh, you know that I thought I should have
(15:05):
gotten that gig was because one, you know, Max has
a tendency to take everything to baseball and boxing. It's
a very New York centric view. He is in New Yorker,
I know, he lived out in California, and he's a
lot like Belloni. He's really really smart. And when you
start talking too much smart, it doesn't always work. It's like,
(15:27):
what was great about Mike and Mike right? You had
Greene was good, was smart, was polished and Golic, who,
by the way, is really really bright, but he kind
of played the dumb jock on radio and TV and
it just worked. And so what happens is when you
let people pick who they want to talk with or
(15:47):
debate with, right, and especially when you're getting into sports
and you're talking really high level intelligent things. You're minimizing
the audience. So he got this incredible opportunity with the
TV show with what's the guy who I also think
is really smart? But uh, what's his name?
Speaker 4 (16:06):
We'll see the Uh no, no, I'm trying. I'm thinking
of a difference writer. Uh it wasn't the Asian guy
named yeah, oh high noon. I think it was called.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Yeah, Yeah, yeah, what's that? What's that guy's name?
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Pablo?
Speaker 5 (16:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (16:19):
So, like, you know, you go with Pablo Torri, You're like,
these are two dudes who have never played sports in
their lives and they're not They're the kind of guys
that sports guys start talking sports with and they're like,
immediately roll their eyes. Now, look, dumb down sports take
is what like first taken undisputed, Like it's that ship
I can't I struggle with sometimes too. There's a happy
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medium there that can be met that nobody seems to
want to do, because, right the guys that want to
talk to dumb down, argumentative debate sports talk, they don't
want to go kind of that that next level of depth,
and the guys that have the next level of depth
they don't mesh or whatever personalities don't mash. So I
(17:03):
think I think Bamani the couple things. Yes, he one
tries to be too smart, pablatory, same thing, right, He's
one of those guys that throws a word in every
other sentence that you like either mentally have to look
up or physically have to look up, like, I don't
know what that word means. I don't use that word, right,
I know what proper English is, you know, Like my
(17:23):
mom is kind of an English snob, you know, and
so she's always been on me about, you know, the
way in which you construct a sentence like that's not
good English. But I also know that there's lots of
dudes that watch TV that they don't give a shit.
They just want to hear, like they just want to
hear sports talk. And I think Pablo is a complete
(17:44):
next level and Bamani a little bit as well. Great orator, Hey,
great orator. Uh. Also there's a there's another part to it,
which I think Colin has found a great device for,
which is, hey, sometimes you're wrong, and it's okay to
be wrong, right, that's the way you in. Colin was right. Well,
Colin was wrong, right, And Colin's been really wrong sometimes,
(18:08):
but he'll for the most part take it on the chin.
But Mani's one of those guys doesn't feel like he
ever likes to be wrong. And then the last part,
and this is not I don't want to say, go woke,
go broke, but whatever your default is right in life experience,
that has to be something that is relatable. And I remember,
(18:28):
so I did this time slot at ESPN, and previous
to it, it had been a bunch of different shows
and none of them had worked. And my formula for
doing a show is the way I was talking to
you like it is. We are sports. It was especially ESPN.
It is sports centric with a little bit of me,
a little bit of my personality, and we're mostly going
to keep it to sports and get you ready for
(18:50):
the games at night, react to the stories of the day.
That's it. It's not really high level deep thought like
it just it. It is a classic sports radio show
on a level. You don't take calls, you have great,
great guests, you have good producing, you have a strong
take or two. You have a couple of devices in
which you can get through the topics of the day.
So somebody hops in their car after work, they know
(19:12):
all the shit that's going on, and they know how
you feel about it. That's it. So after my show,
a guy named Jonathan Coachman did it for like a year.
Wasn't great. Then they gave it to LeBatard and Dan.
You know, he does a good show. But Dan's flaw
is Dan is gonna do a show the way Dan
wants to do a show. Fuck the numbers, Fuck what
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Bristol says. I'm gonna do it my way because I
know more and I have a really really close friend.
I'm not gonna name him because that would just it
wouldn't be fair to him. And we got in this
We're still still very good friends. We got in this
debate basically over would Dan Lebatard's radio show work on
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ESPN Radio. And you know, it actually did work pretty well,
but my thought was it won't work long term, and
it definitely won't work in a better time slot or
an earlier time slot because he refuses to talk about
the big topics of the day. He makes fun of
people who talk about the big topics of the day.
That is a tried and true formula, and it works,
(20:17):
It absolutely works. Just talk about the shit that everybody
wants to talk about, not the stuff that you want
to talk about. You can even make fun of the
topics that everybody wants to talk about, which they do
a great job of. But he wouldn't do it. And
the more Bristol told him to do play the hits,
he wouldn't do it, And so when it got elevated,
it didn't really work well. They gave it to Bimon.
They gave the show to Bamani, and Bimani was a
(20:39):
bad version of what Dan was, where you take out
all the other guys and the funny bits and the
laugh tracks and the name, and you have a guy
who is not really a sports guy and is really
smart and want to do his own thing in his
own topics. So I think that he's very bright, but
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real intelligence is knowing what you don't know and allowing
others to help you out. He hasn't done that. I
don't think he's ever been saddled with the right partner.
He wants to be with somebody he likes and or
maybe respects, and that doesn't always make great radio or
great television. And then I think that he is he
(21:24):
can't hide his his his politics or the things that
his default takes him to and I don't think those
are things that ingratiate or bring a bigger audience in.
And then you have Stephen A. Smith, who you know,
he did this weird thing yesterday where he I this
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is this is one of the things I despise that
we have people who do it at our company. And look,
I've I've stepped in it before because I guess generally
the rule is like, you don't contradict somebody who works
at the same company. But I always thought, like, hey,
we're all sports guys. Here, sports guys, you can take
a little ball busting. We all say stupid shit, make
(22:10):
dumb cases. I hate when you just make up false
narratives that don't exist. That's my single. You know everybody's
saying nobody's saying that. No one said, No one who
actually matters said I hope steven A gets broomed at ESPN.
Who would say that? Now? Does some rando on threads
(22:34):
or on Twitter say it? Probably? But who gives it?
They'll say any people say anything on social media because
there's no recourse for it. It only mattered what I said,
not what Joe Schmoe said. I said something about Casey Close,
which has been repeated by a bunch of other people.
And Casey Close chose to sue me for something that
(22:55):
I heard from baseball guys, and I was like, it
ain't right, Like tell the whole story. So he had
a false narrative that he was spreading that people were
hoping he got fired. Yeah, that's not close to the case.
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And then he makes it out like, hey, there's people
that make more money than me, where it becomes painfully
obvious that Steven a who is doing very well. Right,
he's making somewhere between ten and twenty million dollars a
year to talk about sports on television, and he's doing
(23:39):
very well, and he's bothered by other guys reportedly doing
better than him, and I just it comes across as
it just comes across as so obviously, hey, he just
wants to openly negotiate for more money when a place
is trying to cut cost, you know. And you can
(24:01):
sit there and go like, hey, why did you do
Pat mcafeel Like they're not doing Pat McAfee unless it
makes sense in terms. They had sponsorships the second they
turned on the button, and they're driving people to ESPN
Plus and if steven A's show was doing well on
ESPN Plus, then he would have been able to command
more money. That's the way it works. So I just
(24:23):
I hate the disingenuous.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
You know, people wanted to be fired. Nobody wanted steven
A fired. We just wanted you to stop making up
shit because you have a very powerful platform. And as
you pointed out, he went on LeBatard when LeBatard said,
and Lebratard kind of pushed out too in saying it right,
what did he what did he say? Originally he's like
(24:47):
you you and skip Bayalist ruined sports TV. And then
he's like, well, you know what you guys do not you? Like, no, dude,
you said it, You're right, And he's like, no, I'm
a journalist. And then you got to call him on
that your journal skip out just because you guys have
a journalistic background. You didn't follow any journalistic code. You're
(25:09):
an opinion giver. You're not a journalist. You can't. It's
really hard to wear both hats. Trust me, I've learned.
I don't know anything you want to add, Guys.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
I think that there's like this this thing with stephen
A that I remember a few weeks ago, He's like,
you know, this isn't enough. I'm going to be the
biggest thing on TV period or the biggest media star period,
all topics. And he's trying to do the politics thing
and it's rubbing people the wrong way because it's really
(25:43):
tough to half ask those things. You just can't. You
can't fly in and have political takes. But yeah, I
think that he definitely conjured up that that narrative, that
that people are asking for him to be fired. I'm
not a fan of the guy, but I definitely respect
what he's done and his his uh platform, I respect it.
(26:06):
I just I'm not a fan. I don't. I don't.
I don't necessarily find him that entertaining.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
No, do you do you find him entertaining?
Speaker 1 (26:14):
No?
Speaker 2 (26:15):
What I what I find like again, I watch things differently, Okay,
I watch things different. It's like when you watch basketball,
what you watch for is different than what I watch for.
And when I watch basketball, like I want to see
the movement and what teams are doing in the adjustments
and all that other stuff, Like I love the I
love the essence of the sport. When I watch telet
sports TV or want to watch him I am blown
(26:38):
away by his skills of oration right like he can
it's it's it's kind of a it's preacher like right.
It's amazing how he can make these things kind of work.
But yeah, there's so he has. I mean, I just
there's so much laziness there. It's really hard to take.
And when I say laziness, I mean you're Steven A. Smith.
(26:59):
You're the biggest name at the biggest sports network. If
you want to have a stat a nugget, a nugget
some information, I mean, just take the Angels take, you know,
which is an easy, low hanging fruit. Nobody gives a
shit about the Angels. A really smart take could have been, Man,
the Angels draw three and a half million people a year.
(27:21):
None of them must be sports fans because they stink, right.
I can't believe they draw three and a half million
people a year and I go out to I go
out to LA and no one talks anything about them,
and they're never a player in the playoffs, And you know,
it is me. This is what I like, just vamping
on something, which when you know the topic, you can
ask somebody and they will help you. You have people
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whose job specifically is to give you a note and
give you a nugget. And when you get yourself in trouble,
and I've been victim of this before, is you're doing
too much stuff and you think I can just do
it on my own. I could just wing it, and
you say something really stupid. You just say something really dumb.
Remember the who was that He was talking about Hunter
Henry and I think it was before Monday night football
game and he's like, man, Hunter Henry's gonna have a big game,
(28:03):
and he was just he was out for the year
with a torn ACL and he's like this dude, where
all he had to say there was I don't know
a thing about the San Diego Chargers because I think
they're San Diego at the time. I don't know a
thing about the same I don't know anything about the Chargers.
Nobody does. Nobody cares. They're not gonna win tonight. I
don't care who plays, right. That's a better take than
(28:24):
listing off a player who's not playing and hasn't played
because he's torn his ACL, which is laziness, because all
you gotta do is, hey, man, give me three dudes,
I gotta watch for tonight. And they write it down,
tell me something about the Chargers Hunter Henry out for
the year that would have been written. So when I
watch him, I'm blown away by his his oration skills
(28:44):
and a lot like Jalen Rose like. I respect the
fact that those guys, while while they may not be
doing homework late at night, it doesn't matter where they
fly to or whatever. When the light goes on, they
got the energy. And that's not always that's something that
not everybody has. Some people just can't turn on the
energy at the drop of a hat. So I respect him,
(29:06):
I think more than you do. Do I like the
shows he's on. No, I don't think he's I don't
think he has he's in the proper role in NBA Countdown.
I don't think he makes that better. I think he's
good on first take, but it's not necessarily my cup
of tea and I'm and the and what happens is
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and this happens to all of us. You get to
a place for your really successful in life, and you
start fueling yourself and your ego comes out. I think
his ego has come out a lot in this past year.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
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Speaker 2 (29:48):
App Let's get to what the Fox said. And now
every day on the Doug gottlib Show in the Bonus Podcast,
we play for you some than somebody else said, and
then we react to it. Here's Albert Breer. He was
on Two Pros and a Cup of Joe this morning.
He said this about the relationship between Robert Craft and
Bill Belichick.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
I don't think we would ever hear that Bill Belichick
was fired, Like I don't think Robert Kraft has in
him to do what Jerry Jones did to Jimmy Johnson
in nineteen ninety four. I think, you know, Robert Craft
is going to want any separation with Bill to be amicable.
(30:27):
And you can see it in the way that Kraft
handled the breakup with Brady. He was so concerned over
how that was kind of how that looks, you know,
and he wanted to make sure that it didn't look
like they were kicking Tom out the door. I think
in the case of Belichick, like my guess would be,
if he did feel it was time to move on,
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he would probably exhaust every avenue to try to make
the split look amicable. And there's a chance, like in
a situation like that, that Bill would say no and
say has fired me? If you're gonna fire me, But
it's hard for me to envision a scenario where Craft
which is outright fire. By the way, guys, I do
think that he has his next guy lined up in
(31:10):
drawd Mayo.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Hm, hmmm, draw Mayo is the next guy. I mean, look,
it's it's fat, it's it's one of those every relationship
ends up ending poorly, even ones that were dream relationships.
And you know, the thing with Robert Kraft is he's
been able to put himself in a position where he
(31:35):
gets to be the good guy, right, and it's worked.
Good Cop Bad Cop they are great at. Good Cop
Bad Cop is something they are absolutely, absolutely great at.
And I just think it's interesting that this relationship appears
to be souring and the only unforgivable sin though in
(31:57):
sports is losing. And it's one thing to see Tom
Brady walk out the door. It's another thing to see
Tom Brady walk out the door, and then he wins
a Super Bowl without you. I think I personally believe
this to be true. That Brady winning a super Bowl, right,
and you know what, this is why we use this
(32:19):
on the radio show. Brady winning a super Bowl in
his first year in Tampa. I think that changed dramatically
for a negative in a negative way. The relationship of
Belichick and Craft made it worse. But also Russell Wilson
that point forward he wanted out of Seattle, and Aaron
(32:41):
Rodgers that point forward he and he wanted out of
out of green Bay. And I could go through that.
We've talked about it on this show. When Aaron Rodgers
lost to Tom Brady that year. You remember Tom Brady
takes off his helmet and he almost like does the
movie thing with his hair. He just looks perfect. And
Aaron Rodgers he had like a beard, his faces gaunt,
(33:04):
his eyes are sunken. I mean, he looked a million
years old. And he's like, are you fucking kidding me?
I'm better than this guy. I've been working my ass up.
I've stayed in Green Bay for fifteen years, and this
guy goes to Tampa, gets to be in the sun,
gets already made team, gets to do whatever the hell
(33:24):
he wants, and wins a super Bowl on my home turf.
Like that sucks. Right. Remember they kicked the field goal
on fourth down instead of going for it when they're
deep into the red zone, right, which didn't make a
ton of sense. Although Aaron Rodgers he didn't make plays
on the first three downs. And then if you remember,
the Super Bowl was in Tampa and Russell Wilson was
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sitting in the commissioner's box watching it, and you're sitting
there watching going like, wait, dude, there's you can just
force your way out and leave and win a super Bowl,
Like that's it. I think that Super Bowl that run
one of Tom Brady winning a super Bowl in his
first year in Tampa, I think it changed. Those three
relationships changed him. Here's Chris Broussard talking about the Knicks
(34:11):
not pulling the trigger on Paul George trade.
Speaker 7 (34:13):
That's why the Knicks didn't do it, and they are
absolutely correct not to do it. He's thirty three years old,
I said earlier. He misses thirty five games per year
since he's been a Clipper of the last four years.
And you won a five year max extension until you're
thirty eight, I'm supposed to assume you're gonna get healthier.
And here's the thing even if they had Paul George.
(34:35):
Let's say, obviously the Knicks aren't trading Jalen Brunson, so
let's say it was Julius Randall and RJ. Bard.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
I think that's too much. But let's say it was.
Speaker 7 (34:44):
Julius Randall and some fodder just to make it work contractually.
I would consider that because I think Paul George is
clearly better than Julius and Randall doesn't play. He drops
off big time in the postseason, but once you bring
in and you gotta give him the extension. I'm like
(35:04):
even that, I'm like, no, because why they're not winning
the championship. They're not win in the East with Paul
George and Jalen Brunson, They're not.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Okay. I mean, look, it would depend on what goes
back in return, but I disagree. I'm like, they weren't
that far off from win the East this year in
the first year of Jalen Brunson. So I think the
hesitancy was over extending Paul George. That was that was
the hesitancy, and uh.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
It was.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
You know, I I understand it. I just think at
some point you're going to have to take that next
step and how do you get another player who can
carry you. I like the I would like the possibility
auting Paul George. I know he's been banged up. I
know he's not really the go to guy, although he's
close to. I think if you can keep Mitchell Robinson
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and have Paul George and have Chilen Brunson, I think
you got a hell of a team in a hell
of a shot, especially in the East, and depends on
what else you have around them. But I'm gonna disagree
with with Brussard. I think with that team they are
winning the East. It's like we all think this is
like some stagnant environment. The Celtics again, they're not finished yet,
but they're not better as of now. The seventy six ers,
(36:29):
they're not better as of now. The heat weren't that good.
They just one got good draw two shot the ball
out of their mind and they're very different. They lost,
you know, a couple of their undrafted guys that gave
them incredible value, two starters in fact, So with that
not being stagnant, I'm gonna disagree there. I think you
could you could win the East with that roster. That's
(36:53):
what the Fox.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Said, say be sure to catch live editions of The
Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm East. They're noon
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Let's find out who's annoying or what's annoying Jason Stewart
and now.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
It's your annoying.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Doug.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
Last week, Jeff Van Gundy was one of the guys
fired and that was kind of a head scratcher with
the ESPN the team of him and Mark Jackson and
why is the play by play guy escape me Mike
great team, uh, critically acclaimed and Jeff Van Gundy. I
like when he calls out officiating, he calls out the NBA.
(37:41):
It's like refreshing to hear. I guess Chris Russo on
some format yesterday had this theory about why Van Gundy
was fired.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
That leaves me to the conclusion that somebody in the
illegue office must have toty ESPN. I want Van Gundy out.
We all know he's biting no he gets on the officials.
We all know he doesn't hold back with his NBA opinions.
He is very He tells you what he thinks, which
is what a great broadcast is supposed to do anyway.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
And what is going on right now in.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
The negotiation scenario ESPN and NBC and CNC, what are
they doing. They're all negotiating with Silver and the NBA.
So if you're asking me, little talk show host, you
may not know a thing. This is just my opinion.
Silver is the one who fired Van Gundhy.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
That sounds completely believable. I'm just gonna accept it as fact.
And if that's the case, that's bullshit and it's annoying.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Okay, here's what I think. There's a middle ground there.
I do think that I don't think Adam Silver was
a fan. I think it's complete bullshit. I think Jeff
n Gundy is awesome, and he's credible, and he's funny,
and he's timely and he's respected. It's a fucking disaster
(39:04):
by my estimation for ESPN. But here's what's gonna happen.
Just to guess. My guess is Doris takes his seat. Okay,
And Doris is solid, she's good, She's not fucking Jeff
Van Gundy. She didn't coach in the league, she didn't play.
Now there's some good to it. Here's the good to Doris. One,
she's good, she's worked, she's worked her ass off. But two,
(39:27):
for people like me that didn't play, didn't coach in
the NBA, it's like, hey, if she didn't play, he
didn't coach in the NBA, why can't I Because it's
always been that ceiling of if he didn't play, it
inn coach. You can't broadcast NBA games until Doris Perk.
Forget about her being everybody talks about her being a woman.
That ain't the breakthrough. The breakthrough is she didn't play it,
din't coach in the NBA. That's that's the breakthrough. And
(39:49):
I would guess that Mark Jackson I don't think that's
a great pairing. I think I'll bet they love Richard Jefferson.
So it gives you a player, and maybe Richard RJ.
Becomes like the heir apparent to Mark Jackson. I don't
know when his contract expires. But the way it works
is like they don't say fire Van Gundy. It's ESPN
(40:11):
trying to somehow think that they're gonna curry favor with
the NBA. If you know, we'd really really like to
have a female calling the NBA finals. They know what
that means, right, and everybody knows what that means. And
ESPN acquiescing because they're in a negotiation. When the crazy
(40:32):
part about the whole negotiation stuff and the partnership. Do
you know who the NBA is gonna choose to be
their partner for the next whatever ten years, whoever gives
them the most money. That's really how it works. You know,
there's a like a there's a there's a quid pro quo,
and there's you know, there's all these deals and everybody
(40:53):
tries to make everybody happy and we're gonna kiss everybody's
butt whatever. But the reality is, like, the NBA doesn't
likes the even a Smith doing pre game in halftime.
They don't like that at all. They don't think it's
good for their brand. But you know why they let
it happen because they don't have a choice. That's the
ESPN's guy. Hey listen, he's our guy. He drives our number.
(41:14):
We think he's the best thing we got. Like, all right,
who else you want to take? Well, we'd really like
a we'd really like a woman calling the NBA game.
So yeah, it's bullshit because I do think that egos
and feelings get hurt. But I don't. I don't think silver.
I maybe I'm wrong because he is supposed to be
kind of a hardliner behind closed doors, but I don't
(41:34):
think he said like, hey, you gotta fire him. What
else the knowing.
Speaker 4 (41:40):
Dave Martinez, manager of the Nationals. Great episode last night, right, So,
Ellie de la Cruz maybe the brightest star in the
game right now, youngest star in the game. He came
up in the third inning, I want to say, and
Dave Martinez had his batch. I guess the bottom of
(42:01):
the bat was like an off color white or something.
So Dave Martinez went out and had the kids bat checked.
The umpires found nothing, but there was a delay. So
the next time up day lak Cruz hit one four
hundred and fifty five feet and the video's great because
he shows the dugout of the Nationals the bottom of
the bat pretty much saying check this one out too,
(42:24):
and then he trots around the bases. So Dave Martinez
afterwards said this, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Love the way he plays a game. I don't like
his antics. You know, after you hit the home run,
we could do without that. It's only got two weeks
in big leagues. But now he's gonna be a good player.
I understand the play baseball the right way sort of thing.
I love the looking at the bat thing. That was
awesome right. And by the way, if they're checking out
your bat, I would also tell you that's actually somebody
(42:49):
saying you do something right, Like you hit the ball,
the ball comes off your bat at such an incredible
amount of force, you gotta be cheating. I actually not
offended by that. I'm not offended by any of it.
I just Dave Martinez is trying to like, you don't
want another yesl peek. I think that's the that's the issue.
Speaker 4 (43:06):
So those are the two we got, the Jeff Van
Gundy situation and Dave Martinez.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
I think the Van Gundy situation is frustrating and furiating
because everybody agrees he's really, really good at his job,
and it does seem very plausible that on some level,
I don't think the commissioner got him fired. But I think, hey, man,
if you're not, if you're gonna keep stephen A there
and you want to keep doing business with us, here's
what we really want. And he spends like, all right, fine,
we're gonna say a bunch of money and we're gonna
(43:32):
get rid of Galen Rose and Van Gundy. Why are
we doing this?
Speaker 5 (43:38):
I do.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
Because we can.
Speaker 4 (43:45):
Doug Duke big Man, Kyle Philippowski, I want to say,
said this on the Brotherhood podcast about the hate that
he gets.
Speaker 8 (43:51):
I experienced it a little bit this past year. Is
just hearing a lot of you know, bad talk about me.
But you know that's what happens when and you know
you're you're a really good player and playing for a
really good team.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
So you're more blocking it out than using it as
as fuel to the fire.
Speaker 8 (44:07):
Oh no, I use it more as fuel to the fire. Okay,
for sure. You know I kind of just it kind
of just makes me.
Speaker 5 (44:13):
Laugh because I'm like, you guys are talking shit to me,
me while you're watching me play, like you know, like
keep like spending your money and to watch me like
beat your ass.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
I love it. I love it. I love him telling
it like it is. That's That's the whole thing that
I've always believed and felt. It's like, yeah, you're talking
shit to me. You paid to watch me play. Who's
talking shit? Now? Why can we play it for you?
Because we can't?
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Okay, sir, the bet is to you in babe, it's
time for the pick of the day.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
All right, to pick of the day takes us to
Major League Baseball. No, I'm not betting on Summer League.
I don't understand the guys betting on Summer League. We're
gonna be at Summer League this weekend, but we're not.
We're not betting on Summer League. No, thanks, no to
pass on that one. Instead, let's get to Major League Baseball.
Let's pick some games, shall we. The Dodgers are taken
(45:07):
on the Pittsburgh Pirates. This has been a fun series.
It has. Dodgers has taken two of the first three.
All three have been relatively relatively competitive. And tonight Urias,
Julio Urias goes for the Dodgers. I love. ARUs hasn't
pitched a ton this year. Fifty eight innings, fifty five
(45:28):
fifty five strikeouts, which is outstanding. And he's going against
Jose Alvido, who has pitched ninety three innings eighty one strikeouts.
The most impressive thing about Rias is not walking a
lot of people. The Dodgers are favored. The run total
is eight and a half. Here's what I like I
like the Over and the Dodgers tonight. The Over and
(45:50):
the Dodgers tonight. That's my pick of the day. All right,
thanks so much for joining us. Check out The Doug
gotleep Show as if you listen to this pod, it's
gonna roll right into the rest of The Doug Gotlieb
Show if not tomorrow three eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio, the iHeartRadio app for Foxsports Radio dot com.
All right, is the Doug Gottlieb Show Heres in the
bonus with Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
The Gottlieb Show in the Bonus. Man, we have a
great pod for you because the cool thing about this
pot is we can talk about stuff that doesn't really
fit on radio but everyone in the business talks about
and we can have real conversations about it, which is
(00:32):
where I want to start. We got a great what
the Fox Says for you, Broussard on the Nicks, Albert
Breer on the relationship between Robert crafton Bill Belichick and
Colin Coward also talking about the Knicks. Plus I have
some more insight on the industry with your annoying and
something I thought was freaking awesome last night in baseball.
(00:55):
And we have a really good because we can There's
just a bunch of bunch of stuff to get to. Okay,
let me let me start with this.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I have been in this industry for twenty years. This
is my twentieth year in national sports radio, and there's
a lot of things that have changed. Obviously, podcasts were
around when I when I started, they just weren't and
neither was Twitter. Which did you guys make the switch
or did you guys begin the switch or do we
(01:29):
do both?
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Like?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
What is the what is the feeling on what we
do with threads?
Speaker 4 (01:35):
I it was like a paint by numbers yesterday. I
just I followed whatever Meta prompted me to do. I did,
but I haven't done anything. I haven't posted. I don't
even know how to how the what the functionality is.
I just started the process of alerting people that I'm
I'm I'm starting this thing, but I have no.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Day, I'm here, I'm around. Yeah, So, uh you know,
I have uh like two hundred and sixty eight thousand
followers on Twitter. I have three hundred and fifty five
on Threads, so hopefully that that grows exponentially over time.
But it's it's obviously like this is Zuckerberg versus Elon,
(02:15):
not in the cage match as has been proposed and
apparently agreed to. This is the social media war. And
among the things, I feel like people have said, hey,
what's the matter with Twitter? And I kind of think
that what's happened to ESPN is what's happened to Twitter.
(02:38):
I found the perfect analogy. Tell me if this works
for you. Okay, when I was at ESPN. I remember
I was there for nine years on campus. I worked
the one year as a local radio host in Oklahoma City,
and I did kind of low level ESPN games, ESPN
(02:59):
Plus games, Cowboy Sports Property games. When I was at
at ESPN, I really feel this way that it was
the best of ESPN. Now it was after Keith and Dan,
(03:19):
which is when it really kind of made its mark.
You know, everybody watched Keith and Dan on Sports Center.
Everybody done. It was freaking cool. There was nothing like
being on Sports Center when you were an athlete. That
was the peak of Dick by Tow was when I
was an athlete. If Dick vy Tow did your game,
your game was the biggest sporting event on Earth. And
(03:40):
if Sports Center led with your game, your game was
the biggest game on Earth. Like, it was a really
cool thing. And when I was there, like I could
paint you a picture that was super dope. Where the
first radio studios we were in was like this building
off to the side of the cafeteria. And you know
(04:01):
Dan and then Colin right, so did Colin preceded Dan?
Right when they first they had Tony Kornheiser, Then they
hired Colin to replace Tony Kornheiser, So it's Colin, then Dan,
and then it ended up being me. But this was
long before that. It was they had the Sports Brothers.
Do you guys remember the sports was Eric Cacilius and
his brother I forget his brother's name, And like I,
(04:24):
you'd roll up at My show was seven to one am,
and so I'd roll up at like four four thirty
because back then you were told like an hour prep
for every hour you're on the show. You're like, dude,
I'm six hours prepping, Like that's not really realistic. But
you get there super early. You get ready for all
the games. It was a show called Game Night, Me
and Chuck Wilson and like I remember, like Casilius and
(04:47):
his brother we throw the football round out in the
parking lot in between segments or when they were on tape.
You know, it was a very communal feel. Well, what's
happened since? Obviously streaming has taken away from the cable bundle,
and I would say politics has gotten in the way. Right,
Politics has driven a wedge into everything we've done. Every
(05:09):
relationship you have, politics has played a part in it.
And you could sit here and argue back and forth
about your politics, but you're only making my point that
political warfare has become so toxic. It has invaded every
part of your life and it sucks. It sucks, And
I could, I could, I could blame Trump, but I
(05:30):
would just as much blame all of the TV networks that,
whether they believed he could win or didn't believe he
can win, they just chased the ratings and put him on.
And there was already a ton of vitriol. I mean,
really this happened. I think you know, when Obama was
running and you had people like Trump saying he wasn't
(05:52):
born in the United States, it just became political warfare.
You picked a side and that was the only fucking
side you were on, and everything became an argument. And
I would agree with with Dan Lebattard in that political
debate or debate on TV you know has been bad because,
like you have, I was hired a guy who now
(06:16):
works for Colin with the volume of guy. Well, I
think he's brilliant, guy named Jamie Horwitz. Now, now Jamie
created Sports Nation, which was not a debate show, it
was a clip show. And then you worked in two
really clever people especially Michelle Beadle, super clever, very funny,
very bright, very talented, and then he had Colin and
the whole thing worked. But he's most credited with creating
(06:39):
First Take, which was a segment from Cold Pizza that
blew up and became like a whole show, and now
it's the biggest show ESPN has Daily Show, ESPN has
PTI is not really a debate show, right, PTI is
more of the feel like PTI is awesome, but no
one's been able to recreate that relationship or that dynamic
or Frankly, Tony Kornheiser makes it like Will Bon's great
(07:03):
with Tony, but Will Bond is no one repeats for
the most part, Wilbot he's great on TV because he
has opinions, but he's just he doesn't come across as
a dick. And Tony is so self deprecating. So he's
the Larry David of sports TV, right, But Jamie Horowitz
(07:25):
is so when Jamie Horowitz came to Fox after a
short stit with NBC News, he tried to recreate and
did recreate the same thing. And when you're successful at
two places with one style, everybody's like, well, let's just
copy that and every show will be some form of
debate show. But I think politics has really hurt ESPN
(07:49):
because it's like, Okay, if you talk about politics, half
the world is gonna hate you, no matter what your
what's your stances. Half the world's gonna hate you. The
world might like you, half the world's gonna hate you, period.
Stop So politics, I think the changing business model. I
(08:09):
think money, you know, And what happened was, you know,
for a long time they tried to keep the salaries
down of the talented guys and gals on Sports Center,
and then when John Skipper was there, he kind of
flipped that and started overpaying people and that brings gigantic jealousy.
But we're in a crazy place now, right. Kishaan Johnson's
(08:33):
on a new contract. He's making five Why was Keshon
Johnson making five million a year? I mean, I guess
he had. Part of it was he had to move
to New York. I mean, no one ever, actually ever
says that, Like, why was Kishawan making five million? Well,
he was in LA. He was doing an LA show.
He was you know, you know, in order to get
somebody to move across the country as an adult they're
(08:53):
gonna have to pay you plus to live in New
York exponentially more expensive. And if you're doing a morning show,
they got to pay to get up up. So I
don't know if five million is the right number, but
it was the number that he negotiated. But that brings jealousy,
and look what's that? And so now ESPN has you know,
ESPN dot com. Everything used to be free. Now it's
(09:14):
behind a paywall. Now Espn Plus you got to pay
for that if you want to see that. What's changed
with Twitter? Politics have fucking ruined it? Right? You know,
Trump could tweet whatever he wanted, and all of a
sudden then they held Trump accountable and wouldn't let him
tweet out lies. But other people are lying, and they're
on Twitter like where we where do we draw the balance? Right?
(09:35):
And then the jealousy and then Elon buys it, and
then all of a sudden, now you do away with
the blue check mark, so anything kind of becomes legitimate
even though it's illegitimate. And there's all these different ads
on there again basically behind a paywall. Now with the
check What do you think, Jason Stewart is is the
plight of ESPN like the plight of Twitter.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Yeah, that's interesting. I think they both have the same elements.
I think that you could probably make the same extension
towards a lot of aspects of our lives. I mean
news TV as well. I think they're kind of struck
with the same ailment. But what you kind of first
hit on was no one knows what the hell to
(10:20):
do with this cord cutting thing and how to monetize
the digital and all that stuff. And I think that
has a lot to do with this. But the political
things has definitely poisoned many aspects of our daily media consumption,
and ESPN seems to be like the bright and shiny
example of that.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
It is, And I think and I actually take it
as I think people should take it for to ESPN
out of a thing of respect, right, Like, it's no
matter how much Fox Sports one can rattle its cage,
no matter how much you know the podcast industry can
change their audio division, no matter how much there are imitators,
there's only on ESPN. And I do believe anybody's like, Wow,
(11:02):
that's it's gonna die, Like, no, it's not. It's it's
going to evolve and gonna change and it's still going
to be the home of sports because they own so
many of the sports properties. They just do and we
still have to watch games. It's just we watch them differently.
But I want to first get into Okay, first thing
I want to get into is Bamani Jones. So Bamani Jones.
(11:25):
He lost his HBO show. Correct, So he had HBO show.
I think he had a pretty successful podcast the ESPN.
I'm not sure that's being renewed. And then of course
he lost his radio show. He's not on TV there.
And you have people, even people who work with same
umbrella with Klay Travis, who because their political stance is
(11:48):
the opposite of Bimoni Jones, they like to say, you know,
go woke, go broke, right, and that's why he's lost
all these gigs. Do you think that's Do you think
that's what's happened, Jase? Again, this is an open forum.
There are no wrong answers. And you've been in the
same business as long as I have. What's your what
are your thoughts?
Speaker 4 (12:06):
So the the go wo go broke is a phrase
you used for companies that choose to to get into
this political thing and and they lose listeners and viewers
and advertisements. Is that the basic I guess just of
that that phrase, yes, okay, and Bemani Jones is kind
(12:27):
of like you're asking me if he's an example of that.
I don't think so. I know, I think I know
why why Bimani doesn't resonate with most people. I've met Bemani.
I spent some time with him, worked with them briefly.
He's an ultra smart guy who I think talks above
the heads of a lot of people. He's he's trying
(12:47):
to entertain, and it just doesn't quite resonate, you know.
I think I've talked to you about this, like when
you get too much into the weeds about any one
thing that you know a lot about, you could tend
to lose use your listeners or viewers. And I think,
BUTMANI has a lot of smart things to say. I
don't know if he's right or wrong with it, but
I think it comes from a really informed, intelligent, educated place,
(13:12):
and I think a lot of that it just you
just kind of lose the average viewer.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Yeah, And I also think that and this is where
maybe ESPN has gone astray, and it's one of those
things where you're like, it's kind of a little bit
like what we'll talk about with the radio show with
Damian Lillard is you know, when you get to pick
who you're battling with, you know, I'll give you a
total example. Okay, this is a real thing. When Max
(13:40):
Kellerman was hired to be on First Take, Okay, I
was working for CBS at the time, and I was
told that there was a list of like three or
four people, and I was one of the three or
four people, and stephen A was the one who selected Max,
and he wanted he got to pick ultimately who he
(14:02):
wanted to work with. And so when people hear me
say things I disagree with, it's not because I'd like
still pissed to this day. I wasn't on First Take.
I think it was a mistake, but I think it
was a mistake, But that's that's not why. I just like,
I try to call it like it is. And I
(14:22):
don't like people who who are in powerful places and
claim bullshit. And I think I'm I would have been
really good next to him calling bullshit. But I don't
think that Steven A wants to have bullshit called on
him and I don't And The thing is, I think
Max is brilliant, by the way, and Max politically apparently
(14:44):
the compolar opposite of Steven A, which is interesting, but
there's a hey, you don't always make great TV with
somebody who you want to go to dinner with and
oh yeah, by the way, like Stevin A end up
really souring on Max Kellerman anyway, for the exact reason
that uh, you know that I thought I should have
(15:05):
gotten that gig was because one, you know, Max has
a tendency to take everything to baseball and boxing. It's
a very New York centric view. He is in New Yorker,
I know, he lived out in California, and he's a
lot like Belloni. He's really really smart. And when you
start talking too much smart, it doesn't always work. It's like,
(15:27):
what was great about Mike and Mike right? You had
Greene was good, was smart, was polished and Golic, who,
by the way, is really really bright, but he kind
of played the dumb jock on radio and TV and
it just worked. And so what happens is when you
let people pick who they want to talk with or
(15:47):
debate with, right, and especially when you're getting into sports
and you're talking really high level intelligent things. You're minimizing
the audience. So he got this incredible opportunity with the
TV show with what's the guy who I also think
is really smart? But uh, what's his name?
Speaker 4 (16:06):
We'll see the Uh no, no, I'm trying. I'm thinking
of a difference writer. Uh it wasn't the Asian guy
named yeah, oh high noon. I think it was called.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Yeah, Yeah, yeah, what's that? What's that guy's name?
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Pablo?
Speaker 5 (16:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (16:19):
So, like, you know, you go with Pablo Torri, You're like,
these are two dudes who have never played sports in
their lives and they're not They're the kind of guys
that sports guys start talking sports with and they're like,
immediately roll their eyes. Now, look, dumb down sports take
is what like first taken undisputed, Like it's that ship
I can't I struggle with sometimes too. There's a happy
(16:43):
medium there that can be met that nobody seems to
want to do, because, right the guys that want to
talk to dumb down, argumentative debate sports talk, they don't
want to go kind of that that next level of depth,
and the guys that have the next level of depth
they don't mesh or whatever personalities don't mash. So I
(17:03):
think I think Bamani the couple things. Yes, he one
tries to be too smart, pablatory, same thing, right, He's
one of those guys that throws a word in every
other sentence that you like either mentally have to look
up or physically have to look up, like, I don't
know what that word means. I don't use that word, right,
I know what proper English is, you know, Like my
(17:23):
mom is kind of an English snob, you know, and
so she's always been on me about, you know, the
way in which you construct a sentence like that's not
good English. But I also know that there's lots of
dudes that watch TV that they don't give a shit.
They just want to hear, like they just want to
hear sports talk. And I think Pablo is a complete
(17:44):
next level and Bamani a little bit as well. Great orator, Hey,
great orator. Uh. Also there's a there's another part to it,
which I think Colin has found a great device for,
which is, hey, sometimes you're wrong, and it's okay to
be wrong, right, that's the way you in. Colin was right. Well,
Colin was wrong, right, And Colin's been really wrong sometimes,
(18:08):
but he'll for the most part take it on the chin.
But Mani's one of those guys doesn't feel like he
ever likes to be wrong. And then the last part,
and this is not I don't want to say, go woke,
go broke, but whatever your default is right in life experience,
that has to be something that is relatable. And I remember,
(18:28):
so I did this time slot at ESPN, and previous
to it, it had been a bunch of different shows
and none of them had worked. And my formula for
doing a show is the way I was talking to
you like it is. We are sports. It was especially ESPN.
It is sports centric with a little bit of me,
a little bit of my personality, and we're mostly going
to keep it to sports and get you ready for
(18:50):
the games at night, react to the stories of the day.
That's it. It's not really high level deep thought like
it just it. It is a classic sports radio show
on a level. You don't take calls, you have great,
great guests, you have good producing, you have a strong
take or two. You have a couple of devices in
which you can get through the topics of the day.
So somebody hops in their car after work, they know
(19:12):
all the shit that's going on, and they know how
you feel about it. That's it. So after my show,
a guy named Jonathan Coachman did it for like a year.
Wasn't great. Then they gave it to LeBatard and Dan.
You know, he does a good show. But Dan's flaw
is Dan is gonna do a show the way Dan
wants to do a show. Fuck the numbers, Fuck what
(19:35):
Bristol says. I'm gonna do it my way because I
know more and I have a really really close friend.
I'm not gonna name him because that would just it
wouldn't be fair to him. And we got in this
We're still still very good friends. We got in this
debate basically over would Dan Lebatard's radio show work on
(19:56):
ESPN Radio. And you know, it actually did work pretty well,
but my thought was it won't work long term, and
it definitely won't work in a better time slot or
an earlier time slot because he refuses to talk about
the big topics of the day. He makes fun of
people who talk about the big topics of the day.
That is a tried and true formula, and it works,
(20:17):
It absolutely works. Just talk about the shit that everybody
wants to talk about, not the stuff that you want
to talk about. You can even make fun of the
topics that everybody wants to talk about, which they do
a great job of. But he wouldn't do it. And
the more Bristol told him to do play the hits,
he wouldn't do it, And so when it got elevated,
it didn't really work well. They gave it to Bimon.
They gave the show to Bamani, and Bimani was a
(20:39):
bad version of what Dan was, where you take out
all the other guys and the funny bits and the
laugh tracks and the name, and you have a guy
who is not really a sports guy and is really
smart and want to do his own thing in his
own topics. So I think that he's very bright, but
(21:02):
real intelligence is knowing what you don't know and allowing
others to help you out. He hasn't done that. I
don't think he's ever been saddled with the right partner.
He wants to be with somebody he likes and or
maybe respects, and that doesn't always make great radio or
great television. And then I think that he is he
(21:24):
can't hide his his his politics or the things that
his default takes him to and I don't think those
are things that ingratiate or bring a bigger audience in.
And then you have Stephen A. Smith, who you know,
he did this weird thing yesterday where he I this
(21:47):
is this is one of the things I despise that
we have people who do it at our company. And look,
I've I've stepped in it before because I guess generally
the rule is like, you don't contradict somebody who works
at the same company. But I always thought, like, hey,
we're all sports guys. Here, sports guys, you can take
a little ball busting. We all say stupid shit, make
(22:10):
dumb cases. I hate when you just make up false
narratives that don't exist. That's my single. You know everybody's
saying nobody's saying that. No one said, No one who
actually matters said I hope steven A gets broomed at ESPN.
Who would say that? Now? Does some rando on threads
(22:34):
or on Twitter say it? Probably? But who gives it?
They'll say any people say anything on social media because
there's no recourse for it. It only mattered what I said,
not what Joe Schmoe said. I said something about Casey Close,
which has been repeated by a bunch of other people.
And Casey Close chose to sue me for something that
(22:55):
I heard from baseball guys, and I was like, it
ain't right, Like tell the whole story. So he had
a false narrative that he was spreading that people were
hoping he got fired. Yeah, that's not close to the case.
(23:16):
And then he makes it out like, hey, there's people
that make more money than me, where it becomes painfully
obvious that Steven a who is doing very well. Right,
he's making somewhere between ten and twenty million dollars a
year to talk about sports on television, and he's doing
(23:39):
very well, and he's bothered by other guys reportedly doing
better than him, and I just it comes across as
it just comes across as so obviously, hey, he just
wants to openly negotiate for more money when a place
is trying to cut cost, you know. And you can
(24:01):
sit there and go like, hey, why did you do
Pat mcafeel Like they're not doing Pat McAfee unless it
makes sense in terms. They had sponsorships the second they
turned on the button, and they're driving people to ESPN
Plus and if steven A's show was doing well on
ESPN Plus, then he would have been able to command
more money. That's the way it works. So I just
(24:23):
I hate the disingenuous.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
You know, people wanted to be fired. Nobody wanted steven
A fired. We just wanted you to stop making up
shit because you have a very powerful platform. And as
you pointed out, he went on LeBatard when LeBatard said,
and Lebratard kind of pushed out too in saying it right,
what did he what did he say? Originally he's like
(24:47):
you you and skip Bayalist ruined sports TV. And then
he's like, well, you know what you guys do not you? Like, no, dude,
you said it, You're right, And he's like, no, I'm
a journalist. And then you got to call him on
that your journal skip out just because you guys have
a journalistic background. You didn't follow any journalistic code. You're
(25:09):
an opinion giver. You're not a journalist. You can't. It's
really hard to wear both hats. Trust me, I've learned.
I don't know anything you want to add, Guys.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
I think that there's like this this thing with stephen
A that I remember a few weeks ago, He's like,
you know, this isn't enough. I'm going to be the
biggest thing on TV period or the biggest media star period,
all topics. And he's trying to do the politics thing
and it's rubbing people the wrong way because it's really
(25:43):
tough to half ask those things. You just can't. You
can't fly in and have political takes. But yeah, I
think that he definitely conjured up that that narrative, that
that people are asking for him to be fired. I'm
not a fan of the guy, but I definitely respect
what he's done and his his uh platform, I respect it.
(26:06):
I just I'm not a fan. I don't. I don't.
I don't necessarily find him that entertaining.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
No, do you do you find him entertaining?
Speaker 1 (26:14):
No?
Speaker 2 (26:15):
What I what I find like again, I watch things differently, Okay,
I watch things different. It's like when you watch basketball,
what you watch for is different than what I watch for.
And when I watch basketball, like I want to see
the movement and what teams are doing in the adjustments
and all that other stuff, Like I love the I
love the essence of the sport. When I watch telet
sports TV or want to watch him I am blown
(26:38):
away by his skills of oration right like he can
it's it's it's kind of a it's preacher like right.
It's amazing how he can make these things kind of work.
But yeah, there's so he has. I mean, I just
there's so much laziness there. It's really hard to take.
And when I say laziness, I mean you're Steven A. Smith.
(26:59):
You're the biggest name at the biggest sports network. If
you want to have a stat a nugget, a nugget
some information, I mean, just take the Angels take, you know,
which is an easy, low hanging fruit. Nobody gives a
shit about the Angels. A really smart take could have been, Man,
the Angels draw three and a half million people a year.
(27:21):
None of them must be sports fans because they stink, right.
I can't believe they draw three and a half million
people a year and I go out to I go
out to LA and no one talks anything about them,
and they're never a player in the playoffs, And you know,
it is me. This is what I like, just vamping
on something, which when you know the topic, you can
ask somebody and they will help you. You have people
(27:41):
whose job specifically is to give you a note and
give you a nugget. And when you get yourself in trouble,
and I've been victim of this before, is you're doing
too much stuff and you think I can just do
it on my own. I could just wing it, and
you say something really stupid. You just say something really dumb.
Remember the who was that He was talking about Hunter
Henry and I think it was before Monday night football
game and he's like, man, Hunter Henry's gonna have a big game,
(28:03):
and he was just he was out for the year
with a torn ACL and he's like this dude, where
all he had to say there was I don't know
a thing about the San Diego Chargers because I think
they're San Diego at the time. I don't know a
thing about the same I don't know anything about the Chargers.
Nobody does. Nobody cares. They're not gonna win tonight. I
don't care who plays, right. That's a better take than
(28:24):
listing off a player who's not playing and hasn't played
because he's torn his ACL, which is laziness, because all
you gotta do is, hey, man, give me three dudes,
I gotta watch for tonight. And they write it down,
tell me something about the Chargers Hunter Henry out for
the year that would have been written. So when I
watch him, I'm blown away by his his oration skills
(28:44):
and a lot like Jalen Rose like. I respect the
fact that those guys, while while they may not be
doing homework late at night, it doesn't matter where they
fly to or whatever. When the light goes on, they
got the energy. And that's not always that's something that
not everybody has. Some people just can't turn on the
energy at the drop of a hat. So I respect him,
(29:06):
I think more than you do. Do I like the
shows he's on. No, I don't think he's I don't
think he has he's in the proper role in NBA Countdown.
I don't think he makes that better. I think he's
good on first take, but it's not necessarily my cup
of tea and I'm and the and what happens is
(29:30):
and this happens to all of us. You get to
a place for your really successful in life, and you
start fueling yourself and your ego comes out. I think
his ego has come out a lot in this past year.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Be sure to catch live editions of the Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
App Let's get to what the Fox said. And now
every day on the Doug gottlib Show in the Bonus Podcast,
we play for you some than somebody else said, and
then we react to it. Here's Albert Breer. He was
on Two Pros and a Cup of Joe this morning.
He said this about the relationship between Robert Craft and
Bill Belichick.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
I don't think we would ever hear that Bill Belichick
was fired, Like I don't think Robert Kraft has in
him to do what Jerry Jones did to Jimmy Johnson
in nineteen ninety four. I think, you know, Robert Craft
is going to want any separation with Bill to be amicable.
(30:27):
And you can see it in the way that Kraft
handled the breakup with Brady. He was so concerned over
how that was kind of how that looks, you know,
and he wanted to make sure that it didn't look
like they were kicking Tom out the door. I think
in the case of Belichick, like my guess would be,
if he did feel it was time to move on,
(30:50):
he would probably exhaust every avenue to try to make
the split look amicable. And there's a chance, like in
a situation like that, that Bill would say no and
say has fired me? If you're gonna fire me, But
it's hard for me to envision a scenario where Craft
which is outright fire. By the way, guys, I do
think that he has his next guy lined up in
(31:10):
drawd Mayo.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Hm, hmmm, draw Mayo is the next guy. I mean, look,
it's it's fat, it's it's one of those every relationship
ends up ending poorly, even ones that were dream relationships.
And you know, the thing with Robert Kraft is he's
been able to put himself in a position where he
(31:35):
gets to be the good guy, right, and it's worked.
Good Cop Bad Cop they are great at. Good Cop
Bad Cop is something they are absolutely, absolutely great at.
And I just think it's interesting that this relationship appears
to be souring and the only unforgivable sin though in
(31:57):
sports is losing. And it's one thing to see Tom
Brady walk out the door. It's another thing to see
Tom Brady walk out the door, and then he wins
a Super Bowl without you. I think I personally believe
this to be true. That Brady winning a super Bowl, right,
and you know what, this is why we use this
(32:19):
on the radio show. Brady winning a super Bowl in
his first year in Tampa. I think that changed dramatically
for a negative in a negative way. The relationship of
Belichick and Craft made it worse. But also Russell Wilson
that point forward he wanted out of Seattle, and Aaron
(32:41):
Rodgers that point forward he and he wanted out of
out of green Bay. And I could go through that.
We've talked about it on this show. When Aaron Rodgers
lost to Tom Brady that year. You remember Tom Brady
takes off his helmet and he almost like does the
movie thing with his hair. He just looks perfect. And
Aaron Rodgers he had like a beard, his faces gaunt,
(33:04):
his eyes are sunken. I mean, he looked a million
years old. And he's like, are you fucking kidding me?
I'm better than this guy. I've been working my ass up.
I've stayed in Green Bay for fifteen years, and this
guy goes to Tampa, gets to be in the sun,
gets already made team, gets to do whatever the hell
(33:24):
he wants, and wins a super Bowl on my home turf.
Like that sucks. Right. Remember they kicked the field goal
on fourth down instead of going for it when they're
deep into the red zone, right, which didn't make a
ton of sense. Although Aaron Rodgers he didn't make plays
on the first three downs. And then if you remember,
the Super Bowl was in Tampa and Russell Wilson was
(33:46):
sitting in the commissioner's box watching it, and you're sitting
there watching going like, wait, dude, there's you can just
force your way out and leave and win a super Bowl,
Like that's it. I think that Super Bowl that run
one of Tom Brady winning a super Bowl in his
first year in Tampa, I think it changed. Those three
relationships changed him. Here's Chris Broussard talking about the Knicks
(34:11):
not pulling the trigger on Paul George trade.
Speaker 7 (34:13):
That's why the Knicks didn't do it, and they are
absolutely correct not to do it. He's thirty three years old,
I said earlier. He misses thirty five games per year
since he's been a Clipper of the last four years.
And you won a five year max extension until you're
thirty eight, I'm supposed to assume you're gonna get healthier.
And here's the thing even if they had Paul George.
(34:35):
Let's say, obviously the Knicks aren't trading Jalen Brunson, so
let's say it was Julius Randall and RJ. Bard.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
I think that's too much. But let's say it was.
Speaker 7 (34:44):
Julius Randall and some fodder just to make it work contractually.
I would consider that because I think Paul George is
clearly better than Julius and Randall doesn't play. He drops
off big time in the postseason, but once you bring
in and you gotta give him the extension. I'm like
(35:04):
even that, I'm like, no, because why they're not winning
the championship. They're not win in the East with Paul
George and Jalen Brunson, They're not.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Okay. I mean, look, it would depend on what goes
back in return, but I disagree. I'm like, they weren't
that far off from win the East this year in
the first year of Jalen Brunson. So I think the
hesitancy was over extending Paul George. That was that was
the hesitancy, and uh.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
It was.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
You know, I I understand it. I just think at
some point you're going to have to take that next
step and how do you get another player who can
carry you. I like the I would like the possibility
auting Paul George. I know he's been banged up. I
know he's not really the go to guy, although he's
close to. I think if you can keep Mitchell Robinson
(36:04):
and have Paul George and have Chilen Brunson, I think
you got a hell of a team in a hell
of a shot, especially in the East, and depends on
what else you have around them. But I'm gonna disagree
with with Brussard. I think with that team they are
winning the East. It's like we all think this is
like some stagnant environment. The Celtics again, they're not finished yet,
but they're not better as of now. The seventy six ers,
(36:29):
they're not better as of now. The heat weren't that good.
They just one got good draw two shot the ball
out of their mind and they're very different. They lost,
you know, a couple of their undrafted guys that gave
them incredible value, two starters in fact, So with that
not being stagnant, I'm gonna disagree there. I think you
could you could win the East with that roster. That's
(36:53):
what the Fox.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Said, say be sure to catch live editions of The
Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm East. They're noon
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Let's find out who's annoying or what's annoying Jason Stewart
and now.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
It's your annoying.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Doug.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
Last week, Jeff Van Gundy was one of the guys
fired and that was kind of a head scratcher with
the ESPN the team of him and Mark Jackson and
why is the play by play guy escape me Mike
great team, uh, critically acclaimed and Jeff Van Gundy. I
like when he calls out officiating, he calls out the NBA.
(37:41):
It's like refreshing to hear. I guess Chris Russo on
some format yesterday had this theory about why Van Gundy
was fired.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
That leaves me to the conclusion that somebody in the
illegue office must have toty ESPN. I want Van Gundy out.
We all know he's biting no he gets on the officials.
We all know he doesn't hold back with his NBA opinions.
He is very He tells you what he thinks, which
is what a great broadcast is supposed to do anyway.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
And what is going on right now in.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
The negotiation scenario ESPN and NBC and CNC, what are
they doing. They're all negotiating with Silver and the NBA.
So if you're asking me, little talk show host, you
may not know a thing. This is just my opinion.
Silver is the one who fired Van Gundhy.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
That sounds completely believable. I'm just gonna accept it as fact.
And if that's the case, that's bullshit and it's annoying.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Okay, here's what I think. There's a middle ground there.
I do think that I don't think Adam Silver was
a fan. I think it's complete bullshit. I think Jeff
n Gundy is awesome, and he's credible, and he's funny,
and he's timely and he's respected. It's a fucking disaster
(39:04):
by my estimation for ESPN. But here's what's gonna happen.
Just to guess. My guess is Doris takes his seat. Okay,
And Doris is solid, she's good, She's not fucking Jeff
Van Gundy. She didn't coach in the league, she didn't play.
Now there's some good to it. Here's the good to Doris. One,
she's good, she's worked, she's worked her ass off. But two,
(39:27):
for people like me that didn't play, didn't coach in
the NBA, it's like, hey, if she didn't play, he
didn't coach in the NBA, why can't I Because it's
always been that ceiling of if he didn't play, it
inn coach. You can't broadcast NBA games until Doris Perk.
Forget about her being everybody talks about her being a woman.
That ain't the breakthrough. The breakthrough is she didn't play it,
din't coach in the NBA. That's that's the breakthrough. And
(39:49):
I would guess that Mark Jackson I don't think that's
a great pairing. I think I'll bet they love Richard Jefferson.
So it gives you a player, and maybe Richard RJ.
Becomes like the heir apparent to Mark Jackson. I don't
know when his contract expires. But the way it works
is like they don't say fire Van Gundy. It's ESPN
(40:11):
trying to somehow think that they're gonna curry favor with
the NBA. If you know, we'd really really like to
have a female calling the NBA finals. They know what
that means, right, and everybody knows what that means. And
ESPN acquiescing because they're in a negotiation. When the crazy
(40:32):
part about the whole negotiation stuff and the partnership. Do
you know who the NBA is gonna choose to be
their partner for the next whatever ten years, whoever gives
them the most money. That's really how it works. You know,
there's a like a there's a there's a quid pro quo,
and there's you know, there's all these deals and everybody
(40:53):
tries to make everybody happy and we're gonna kiss everybody's
butt whatever. But the reality is, like, the NBA doesn't
likes the even a Smith doing pre game in halftime.
They don't like that at all. They don't think it's
good for their brand. But you know why they let
it happen because they don't have a choice. That's the
ESPN's guy. Hey listen, he's our guy. He drives our number.
(41:14):
We think he's the best thing we got. Like, all right,
who else you want to take? Well, we'd really like
a we'd really like a woman calling the NBA game.
So yeah, it's bullshit because I do think that egos
and feelings get hurt. But I don't. I don't think silver.
I maybe I'm wrong because he is supposed to be
kind of a hardliner behind closed doors, but I don't
(41:34):
think he said like, hey, you gotta fire him. What
else the knowing.
Speaker 4 (41:40):
Dave Martinez, manager of the Nationals. Great episode last night, right, So,
Ellie de la Cruz maybe the brightest star in the
game right now, youngest star in the game. He came
up in the third inning, I want to say, and
Dave Martinez had his batch. I guess the bottom of
(42:01):
the bat was like an off color white or something.
So Dave Martinez went out and had the kids bat checked.
The umpires found nothing, but there was a delay. So
the next time up day lak Cruz hit one four
hundred and fifty five feet and the video's great because
he shows the dugout of the Nationals the bottom of
the bat pretty much saying check this one out too,
(42:24):
and then he trots around the bases. So Dave Martinez
afterwards said this, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Love the way he plays a game. I don't like
his antics. You know, after you hit the home run,
we could do without that. It's only got two weeks
in big leagues. But now he's gonna be a good player.
I understand the play baseball the right way sort of thing.
I love the looking at the bat thing. That was
awesome right. And by the way, if they're checking out
your bat, I would also tell you that's actually somebody
(42:49):
saying you do something right, Like you hit the ball,
the ball comes off your bat at such an incredible
amount of force, you gotta be cheating. I actually not
offended by that. I'm not offended by any of it.
I just Dave Martinez is trying to like, you don't
want another yesl peek. I think that's the that's the issue.
Speaker 4 (43:06):
So those are the two we got, the Jeff Van
Gundy situation and Dave Martinez.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
I think the Van Gundy situation is frustrating and furiating
because everybody agrees he's really, really good at his job,
and it does seem very plausible that on some level,
I don't think the commissioner got him fired. But I think, hey, man,
if you're not, if you're gonna keep stephen A there
and you want to keep doing business with us, here's
what we really want. And he spends like, all right, fine,
we're gonna say a bunch of money and we're gonna
(43:32):
get rid of Galen Rose and Van Gundy. Why are
we doing this?
Speaker 5 (43:38):
I do.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
Because we can.
Speaker 4 (43:45):
Doug Duke big Man, Kyle Philippowski, I want to say,
said this on the Brotherhood podcast about the hate that
he gets.
Speaker 8 (43:51):
I experienced it a little bit this past year. Is
just hearing a lot of you know, bad talk about me.
But you know that's what happens when and you know
you're you're a really good player and playing for a
really good team.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
So you're more blocking it out than using it as
as fuel to the fire.
Speaker 8 (44:07):
Oh no, I use it more as fuel to the fire. Okay,
for sure. You know I kind of just it kind
of just makes me.
Speaker 5 (44:13):
Laugh because I'm like, you guys are talking shit to me,
me while you're watching me play, like you know, like
keep like spending your money and to watch me like
beat your ass.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
I love it. I love it. I love him telling
it like it is. That's That's the whole thing that
I've always believed and felt. It's like, yeah, you're talking
shit to me. You paid to watch me play. Who's
talking shit? Now? Why can we play it for you?
Because we can't?
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Okay, sir, the bet is to you in babe, it's
time for the pick of the day.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
All right, to pick of the day takes us to
Major League Baseball. No, I'm not betting on Summer League.
I don't understand the guys betting on Summer League. We're
gonna be at Summer League this weekend, but we're not.
We're not betting on Summer League. No, thanks, no to
pass on that one. Instead, let's get to Major League Baseball.
Let's pick some games, shall we. The Dodgers are taken
(45:07):
on the Pittsburgh Pirates. This has been a fun series.
It has. Dodgers has taken two of the first three.
All three have been relatively relatively competitive. And tonight Urias,
Julio Urias goes for the Dodgers. I love. ARUs hasn't
pitched a ton this year. Fifty eight innings, fifty five
(45:28):
fifty five strikeouts, which is outstanding. And he's going against
Jose Alvido, who has pitched ninety three innings eighty one strikeouts.
The most impressive thing about Rias is not walking a
lot of people. The Dodgers are favored. The run total
is eight and a half. Here's what I like I
like the Over and the Dodgers tonight. The Over and
(45:50):
the Dodgers tonight. That's my pick of the day. All right,
thanks so much for joining us. Check out The Doug
gotleep Show as if you listen to this pod, it's
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