June 27, 2024 • 46 mins
Doug talks about the NBA Draft and their being multiple players from France in the lottery, and explains why he thinks a country like France is doing a better job at generating prospects that the U.S. is.
Doug and the crew debate whether or not the Lakers should draft Bronny James.
Doug and the crew weigh in on the question: should Shohei Ohtani bein the Homerun Derby? Basketball analyst and reporter Andy Katz joins Doug to give his takeaways from the NBA Draft.
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Speaker 2 (00:48):
So.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
I think some amazing stuff happened last night. But I'm
also kind of a It's not because I'm a basketball geek.
I'm sort of a I like picking up on trends
in the world. And here's what's Obviously, it's unique about
me that I'm a college basketball coach. That's kind of
a new thing. But it's very very cool, at least
(01:09):
for me. I hope it's cool for you. I had
a hell of a day yesterday. I got a chance
to see the inside of lambeau Field. That was crazy.
Mark Murphy, who's the president of the Green Bay Packers,
we were at a Coaches Versus Cancer event in the
Atrium of lambeau Field, which is this beautiful enclosed area
(01:30):
inside the stadium which has all been redone and can
continue to be redone as in just over three hundred days,
green Bay hosts the NFL Draft, and Mark said, I said,
you know, I haven't been inside the stadium, but I
want to take my team in to run the stadium steps.
He's like, yeah, I've been in the bowl. Like no,
So we go through all the construction and then you
walk in and you're like, oh my gosh, it's really cool. Anyway,
(01:53):
we were talking about NFL draft stuff. Then we start
talking to about NBA Draft. Then I head home and
my team sitting there and we're watching whiching the NBA
Draft take place, and two French players go one and
two and Zachia goes nine, and there's some interesting stuff there.
By the way, here's Adam Silver announcing the first pick.
(02:14):
With the first.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Pick in the twenty twenty four NBA Draft, the Atlanta
Hawks select Zachary Riza Che from the Leon France and
France's Jail four on Bress.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeh borgon Bress is a team I've actually played against.
It's interesting. Twenty twenty two years ago, I went and
played in France for a month and a half as
I got a chance to I got a chance to
play professionally in France, and I remember thinking then, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
You know.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
At that time, you know, Tony Parker had just come
to the NBA, and there was others Bors d'l and
Michael Peachrice was that year in the in the NBA,
and you saw so many, uh first the diversity in France,
especially with the French West Indies and some of the
other islands, and the migration to France as well as
(03:14):
so many Americans that had played basketball, like Tony Parker's dad,
that had played there and lived there, and you started
to understand like there was a building basketball culture. And
now to have the number one and number two pick,
that's not announcing your presence with authority nuklulu style. I
don't know what is. I don't know what is and
so yeah, is it a down year, sure, but you
(03:38):
watched uh, you watched sar Go second and he's just
a ridiculous athlete, like ridiculous in terms of the ranginess
and ability. And obviously these guys are raw and they'll
have to evolve as offensive basketball players, but crazy, crazy,
crazy talent. And you start to kind of ask yourself, like,
(04:00):
what happened to America?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Right?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
What happened to America that are top players are top prospects.
We have such a depth three hundred and fifty million
people and we dominate international basketball. How can French players
go number one and number two? Matter of fact, three
go in the top what six or seven of the
NBA draft? And yeah, obviously it's a spike here for France,
but we've seen this trend building in what is it about?
(04:26):
I have some thoughts and some ideas. I mean, like, look,
there is there is a flight a little bit from
basketball for some for some other sports, but there's still
five hundred thousand plus high school basketball players in the country.
So why And it's really interesting like this mirrors in
(04:48):
many ways a lot of the other inventions that we've
had in the United States. I mean, look at the
auto industry. You know, we created the Model T and
the Model A and the uh the production line, right,
and then it was improved and maybe even perfected by
what they've done in Japan, and obviously what they've done
(05:08):
in Germany and in other parts of the world now
in China and others in South Korea has in many
ways caught up to us. And what we've done this
mirrors that, isn't it. It doesn't make sense to anybody
else that basketball has become the auto industry and we
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have to improve our production and the efficiency in the production.
How smart it is. I mean, I was told this
once upon a time, and it's really interesting that in
Japan they have no custodial service, and yet if you
go to someone's workstation, it's pristine. It's all what we
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demand of our workers, right, And that's something that I'm
learning even as a coach.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Right.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
The old expression is you're either coaching it or allowing it,
and we're doing that as a society. Fascinating to me.
There is a balance there between being a dictator and
just being discipline oriented. And yes, some of it is
a spike here. Some of it is that we've depleted
some of our resources because guys constantly go, but a
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lot of it is the fact that others are developing
better now. Alex Sar came over here to develop and
played for OTE so and so A little bit of
that is a misconception in yes, he's French born, but
he's been refined by playing for overtime Elite over the
past year and a half. But isn't it interesting how
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it feels like the NBA is where the American auto
industry has been for years? And look, there's been great
parts of the American auto industry. If you're gonna buy
a truck, you still buy an American made truck. And
by the way, even the four we're in truck brands
that the Toyot, toyotas, the Nissans, they're still made in
the United States. We still make great basketball players, but
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the percentages, the ratios are changing, and they're building better
products in many ways, or more efficient products or similar products,
and in some ways, you know, obviously with bigger players,
better products than we're building. I think the most interesting
pick is going to be Zach Edy. He goes at
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number nine, feels really really high. Just does it doesn't
matter once you're drafted, And I do understand that most
teams in the NBA have a starting center who's more
of a traditional center. They may they may only play
twenty minutes a game, but you got to be able
to have somebody who can guard those guys. Just my
question with him is, God, how does it fit with
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John Moran. John Moran is all speed and a loosiveness
and attack, and zach Edy he's he's he's a gigantic man.
He is talented of what he does, but it's gonna
be a challenge to do what he does from the
basket as he'll have to, and how is he going
to guard? And he's not really a pick and roll guy,
and John Rant's gonna need some pick and roll assistance.
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It's just not an above the rim guy. But I'm
I'm will Obviously, Memphis is willing to see how it
plays out. The comparisons to Steven Adams sound great because
Steven Adams is a gigantic man. But Steven Adams is
an amazing athlete and Zachie is done. But I looked
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at last night's draft and I saw auto industry, you know,
and and most of it is with our bigger players. Yes,
Donovan Klingen, he went what third overall? He's a Bristol,
Connecticut product, but by and large. You go around the NBA,
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look at the centers like them. Ninety five percent of
them are foreign born players. They are doing a better
job on their production line than we are. And that's
something that if you if you don't evolve, you die,
you perish. If we don't evolve, we're going to waste
all the talents that we have in the United States.
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you're doing great. Oh you enjoyed Draft Night. We get
to Draft Night Part two, which is opposite the uh
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presidential debate, I mean the presidential base right now? Oh,
the draft just started this right, Okay, My time zones
are screwed up a little bit. So yeah, really last
night it was at seven o'clock. Seven o'clock, you know,
(10:12):
I thought it was a nightly event. So now we're
trying to figure out if the Lakers are going to
draft Ronnie James, So let me just throw it out
to DIRTYO. Right, didn't get drafted last night. Lakers, though,
have that fifty fifth pick. There was all the pulaver.
I love that word. What a great word. All the
polaver about Ronnie James from Rich Paul, his agent as
(10:33):
to oh, he could go to Toronto, he could go
to Dallas. He's not. No one's taking him sight unseen.
He's only worked out for the Suns and for the Lakers.
Andy Katz joined his last hour and he's like, look,
tell me if this makes sense. They draft Dalton Connect,
who's a refined, finished product ready to play. I agree.
I like Dalton Connect. I don't think he's a starter.
I think he's a bench player, but he can come
(10:55):
in and make shots right away like that. Dude can score.
I'm not sure you can guard. But that's not really
the point with where he's drafted and what they needed,
and they want guys that can play. I like that.
The issue is that it's different playing with Lebron now
as opposed to playing with Lebron ten years ago. Ten
years ago, you could hide a guy who's not a
great defender because Lebron was a plus defender as well
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as a great offensive player and a great passer. Now
that's not as much the case in terms of Lebron
at the defensive end at this stage in his career.
So the question becomes, if you're if you're the Lakers,
should you draft Bronnie James? Should you draft Brinne James?
(11:41):
This is not will they? This is should they? Not
will they? But should they? And my answer is no,
I don't believe anyone else is going to draft Bronnie James.
I don't. You can still acquire Bronni James through you know,
(12:02):
free agency, and by the way, you can kind of
control whatever you want to control. I wouldn't if someone's
not going to draft him, and if you get to
fifty five, no one's gonna. I don't think anybody's gonna
draft him anyway one. I don't think in truth he's
an NBA prospect at this point in time, you know,
I just don't. Additionally, the likelihood of him wanting to
(12:25):
play with anyone that his dad isn't playing for. I
don't think his dad is leaving Los Angeles. They just
hired JJ Reddick. I think, you know, there's really not
a lot of leverage for Lebron to leave LA anyway.
They just hired just hired JJ Redick, who whether or
not he's hand picked, it feels like he's the hand
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pick coach for Lebron James. He's building a gigantic new house,
he has one kid in high school, one in elementary school. Like,
he's not moving, so there's not a lot of leverage there.
And then you draft a veteran player who can play, Like,
why would we win? I used to pick on a
guy that no one else is going to draft when
we can get him as an unrestricted free agent. And
oh yeah, by the way, if most guys you don't
(13:07):
draft him, you're like, well, anyone could sign him. Why
would anybody else sign him? Doesn't make any sense. So
I would not draft him for that reason, Dan Byer,
what would you do?
Speaker 4 (13:20):
I wouldn't draft him either, Doug. I just if if
Lebron James is a twenty year member of the Cleveland
Cavaliers and the Cavaliers were on the clock, or maybe
a twenty year member of the Los Angeles Lakers, then
I can then I could see something like that. I
just it, just yeah, I don't. I don't love it.
(13:45):
You know, he put out a highlight video. I actually
felt bad about this of Lebron and Bryce and LEBRONI
doing a workout, and you've said it all along that
you know, Bryce is the better prospect, and it showed
in that.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
I don't think. I don't think Bryce is a better processor.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Oh okay, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
I just didn't want to put word put word GENI
mouth than.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
I mean, I've heard that said before. I don't. I
don't think I've ever commented on it. I've just heard
Bryce is, he's he's more athletic. He's also taller, but
he's he hasn't played nearly as much basketball. So there's
like I've heard that Bryce has been put in some
situations where it's like, man, he doesn't really belong because
he's just not at that level yet. Whereas Bronnie was,
(14:26):
he's always been about, you know, the highest level of
au and he's always and he actually kind of came
back down to earth, whereas the Bryce thing is kind
of a new thing. But anyway, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
I thought in the video Bryce looked better and maybe
it's because he was bigger.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Yeah, he's bigger. And he can do, you know, do
more things in a one un none sort of video.
He's just more athletic because he jumps out at you.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Yeah, and so I didn't think that it did Brownie
any favors in that regard.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Yeah, probably small too. You know, Bryce isn't huge, and
obviously Lebron is a fully grown man. Bryce is small too.
Then there's the ass inspect of like, do you want
to be drafted just simply because your dad wanted you
drafted when you could have been signed as an unrestricted
free agent. On the other hand, it's really really cool.
It would be very cool to draft Bronnie James and
(15:13):
have Lebron James, who just set the all time scoring
market in NBA history, in your roster, and it would
be a it would be a hey, we take care
of our Lakers. We would take care of our guys,
even though most people I know don't consider him a Laker.
What do you think, Jason Stewart?
Speaker 6 (15:30):
I think that you've kind of changed my mind on this.
The only reason you do it, you should do it,
is for business reasons. Drafting Bronny is going to put
butts in seats for next season. I think that will
be a draw. But to your point, if you could
just sign him as a free agent, doesn't matter. And
(15:51):
then it just goes back to what you just said,
is is it a blow to the ego that Lebron
James would have a son that wasn't drafted and the
Lakers want to Playkate just that aspect of his ego.
If this isn't a basketball thing and it's purely a
business thing and they could just sign him anyways, it's
interesting the points that you bring up. You've changed my
(16:12):
mind on this. I think the answer to the question
I thought was, yeah, you do draft him for business reasons.
I think it's a draw. I think it'll be interesting,
But you're right. If you could just wait a few
more picks until the draft ends and then sign him
to paper, what's the difference.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I would sayhim, what do you think.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
You know?
Speaker 7 (16:35):
If you're going to draft a guy who only averaged
a couple of points and he's a young man, I'd
say it's a waste of a pick. If you can
get him as a free agent, fine, I don't know
if I agree with Jason. That's gonna put butts in seats.
It's kind of like Caitlin Clark debate, put her on
the Olympic team or not that will put butts in
seats and she can play, So I don't know if
it'll put butts in seats if you draft Brownie and
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I don't know if he can play, So if you're
going to use a pick on him, I think it's
a waste.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
So are we Where are we in this one? Only
Jason says for business purposes? I actually think Jason makes
a really good point, right we are? You are in
a business and it becomes cool to say, you know,
if you drive somebody who has the symbol for boron
their last name and you're like, I don't know who
that is. I do think there's a business element of
it that we may. I don't think he puts the
single button seats. I agree with that.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
I think it'll be a TV spectacle the first time
Bronnie would check into a game, and then after that
it's over.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
And my point wasn't, as Sam pointed out, like, this
isn't because it's a Caitlin Clark thing. It's not his
basketball ability that would make somebody go to the arena.
It is I have a chance to see Lebron play
with his son, and I think it would.
Speaker 7 (17:48):
But but do you think it's a novelty that would
wear off? Like Dan said very quickly, absolutely yeah, but
the first time. Maybe that first time that'll p.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
But who But don't people go to the like the
Lakers are likely going to add one additional player. They
have JJ Reddick as their coach, like there's always and
Lebron James and Anthony Davis play for them, Like are
their empty seats anyway?
Speaker 6 (18:09):
No, no, you're right, But so I from a just
a metaphorical standpoint, I think there'll be a little bit
more interest.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
How about that?
Speaker 6 (18:16):
A bump in interest to see what Brownie played with
his death?
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Yeah, I just I mean, do we really need do
we really need to fulfill the ego of Lebron James
and draft his son, Like that's what it all feels like.
Speaker 7 (18:35):
I don't know if you could get meaningful basketball where
Bronnie and Lebron are playing together and somehow winning, that
would make it amazing. But I don't know if that's
going to be the case. And again, like he's not
that developed as a basketball player, and what if he
goes in there and he just it's like the towel
Boy part in with a water Boy, where the tawleboy
from Michigan goes in and just gets close lined. I'm
not saying that's gonna happen, but you know, I don't know.
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He might be he might be completely out of water
going in there.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
I had heard somebody say that it would make that
would make people watch the G League, And I'm like,
I didn't watch USC. Why would I watch the G League?
Speaker 1 (19:10):
The women at USC drew better than the men, like
Juju Watkins is more of a must see. Yeah, so
I don't. Again, I think this is more now social
media probably you know, but I don't think that's the
real world. I think the real world told you with USC. Yeah,
they don't, they don't see it. I could be wrong,
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and I'll be interested in that with today, with the
ratings today and how much people watch, because he's really
one of you know, two or three guys. But he's
the only real reason you would watch today if you're
into that sort of thing, if you're into the drama.
Otherwise you're in the real basketball players. But I don't
know second round of NBA Draft that's gonna be. It
feels like it's gonna be a hard watch.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
Am I thought of any one who's like completely confused
by Rich Rich Paul's play here, Like Rich Paul what
he came out with those weird We had comments last
week about I could force the Lakers to draft them
at seventeen. He had his client, who he's supposed to
be most concerned about, only work out for one team
and then the Suns. Why wouldn't you want all the
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teams to see him? Like, and then this play where
he's like they're not a package deal, and like, I
just I think, looking back, we're going to look at
those comments which Paul made last week or maybe through
through a reporter or and be like, what exactly was
going on there? Like there's something going on we don't
know about.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
No, there's not. I think there's no. There was no
interest there, and so he was trying to drum up
some leverage. I'm sure Lakers sitting there going like why
we draft this? He I was like, Wow, you know
there's lots of other people interested who you know, So
that's why he names Toronto and Dallas, which is like, okay,
you know Toronto's not taking him at thirty one, not happening.
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Dallas isn't drafting either, and especially now if they're not
a package deal. I just think he was. He was.
He was grasping at straws to try and get some
sort of leverage. And I don't believe anybody bites on that,
but I could be wrong.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
One other thing, just to let you know, And for
those that are driving and maybe can't see it because
the TV screen's not in front of them, this is
a studio set up for the second round. ESPN is
not at the Barclay Center. There are not people, there's
no there's not the stage that they used last night.
In fact, they have a looks like a faux green
(21:29):
room with some second round prospects that are sitting there
that overlooks you know, whatever river the ESPN studios are on.
So this is a hey, a made for TV. But
it is not walking up on the big stage like
we saw last night, like you would in the NFL draft,
using it for three days. This is apparently taking place
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in ESPN studios in New York City.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah, that's that's super interesting that that's what they've chosen
to do, a made for TV. What is that? I
don't know if people watch. On the other hand, I
don't know if people actually like the spectacle. Does that
any like the NFL Draft is a spectacle. I don't
know if the Barclay Center is the spectacle you want
(22:13):
to be right? It always It's always been cool, but
it seems a little less cool now. I don't know why.
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being our Express pros Pro of the week. By the
way he went like, was it like the first couple
(23:13):
first month, he hit like one home run? Is that
about right? J STUW? And is that is that right?
Like the numbers were? He got to a really slow start.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
Well, he didn't hit one until like the I don't
know what eighth game of the season, and I mean
he's just been on a tear lately.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
But Jay Stu, I want you to propose to the
audience and to our audience, our crew here, okay, uh,
I want you to propose why you don't believe he
should be in the home run Derby.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
And I do think that we should be out in
front of this because as talk shows get beyond the
NBA Draft here, I think we're not going to have
a whole lot to talk about. So I have a
feeling that should he be in the Home run Derby
is going to be the topic that takes us through
the All Star Game.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Really, I think I don't think anybody's gonna I don't
think anyone to this point has paid attention to this
outside of Dodger.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
Fan, which proves my point. I think will as we
approach the All Star Game, all the national outlets are
going to be picking up on this.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Debate, But they will now because you're proposing a really
interesting sort of dilemma or idea, Go ahead, propose.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (24:21):
The question is should Shohe Otani be in the home
run derby? If you read the article on the Only
Times Today, Otani would like to do it. The Dodgers
don't really want him to do it. I think Otani's
hand wars would rather he not do it. My opinion
is as easy, don't do it. And here's why he
is still rehabbing his throwing arm. For those not paying attention,
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he has only DHD. He hasn't played the field, and
he hasn't pitched. The plan is to pitch next year,
so he's still rehabbing this arm. He could obviously swing
up bout. He's doing it very well, But the home
run derby is a different animal. Home run derby. If
you listen to anyone who's participated in this event, I'm
sure Matt Holliday.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
Could tell you this.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
It's exhausting.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
It is exhausting. You over exert yourself. You are you
are doing swings at a pace that you don't typically
do in batting practice or in the cage. So why
would you even if you're the Dodgers or show Hey
even come close to a point where you might do
something to aggravate aggravate that rehabbing arm. So the answer
(25:31):
is no, I know the public wants to see this.
I don't.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Okay, Sammy, what do you think? I mean, I have
a very strong opinion on this one. But Sammy, what
do you think?
Speaker 7 (25:45):
In a joking way, I would ask Jason if he
wants show Hey to stop hitting home runs or swinging
the bat at the plate, because that's exertion too.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I understand what he was talking about overused.
Speaker 7 (25:58):
Yes, Yes, it's a lot. Yeah, it's a lot, lot
of exertion in a short amount of time. It's like, uh,
it's it's like heart attack snow. It's like a guy
going out and shoveling really heavy snow and then an
hour later he's in the shower and drops dead.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
I'm not saying that's gonna have to show.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
But it happened, it could happen to me. Thank you
so much, sam I appreciate that.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
So it's like, yeah, you don't.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Actually had this discussion last night where they're like, are
you going to shovel your own driver? I was like no, yes,
but no I'm going to work and make the money
and hire somebody else who does it for me. So
I do believe I do actually shovel snow, even though
I don't actually shovel the snow.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
But what about a snowblower? I mean that, that's like
you didn't hear.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
I'm with the snow thrower.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Is this okay?
Speaker 1 (26:35):
One? Okay, you just actually have to use it.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
Yes, you wouldn't use it, you just want someone else
to do it.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Just I've done this. I've lived in snow covered states.
I've obviously never lived in northern Wisconsin where there's going
to get a lot of snow, but I lived in
in northern Connecticut where we got a good amount of snow.
And what I found is like everybody's like, oh, it's
so therapeutic, Like, yeah, it can be if you do
it once in a season, it's therapeutic if you're doing
it all the time. And I like, I get up early,
(27:03):
I want to go. I can't. I don't want to
get up an hour early and then make sure no,
I want it done. I want it done. It's like
one of I don't I don't lavish myself with gifts.
I don't wear jewelry. I don't have expensive stuff. So
if I'm gonna spend a couple hundred extra bucks to
make sure that my my driveway and my walkway is plowed,
that is a it's it's honestly, it's just like having
(27:27):
somebody who cleans your house.
Speaker 7 (27:28):
Yeah, there's a healthy market for snow and removal in
Wisconsin as well, so there should be no shortage. There's
a good you'll find good.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
I get. But the other part with snow throwers is
you can, you know, something get stuck. People like stick
their hand in there and they'd lose their hand, and
so that's an excuse for me. But really it's I
just don't want to get up an hour early and
then have to fill up with gas and then worry
about it and then like just have somebody else do it.
Speaker 7 (27:49):
It can be it can be a great it can
be very good exercise, but if you overdo it, it
can be bad.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
So, yes, I get Jason's point.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
You know, I get good exercise and go to the
gym begin.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
Yes, and yeah, but show.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Hey, I like good exercise.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
I'd like to see him. I'd like to see him
in it.
Speaker 7 (28:04):
But I get from like the ultimate caretaker point of view,
Jason's point makes sense.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Buyer, Where are you on the let's not snow thrower? Yeah,
First of all, you know you're gonna call me the
laziest human being.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
No, I'm not at all, but I am going to
call you out on that Green Bay is not in
northern Wisconsin. I know it's central like it is, but
it is it is not. It feels like that's where
maybe the world ends.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
But I mean, I know it continues to go north,
but generally like it's in northern was Like, well, I
guess not, it's not. You're right, I didn't actually realize
I have the state of Wisconsin on my shirt, so
I should realize that it's where that little thing sticks
out Door County. You're right, your central northeast, central Wisconsin.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
Yeah, let's go to our Wisconsin expert Iowa.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
About it, or we could actually ask the guy who
grew up in the state of Wisconsin. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
I actually agree with Jason wholeheartedly. I think that snowblower
shoey odn about Otani. I think that there is a
legitimate excuse for him to not participate. I don't think
that there there is for a lot of superstars, But
I think that this is it's.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Also not his first and it's not his first Tommy
John surgery too. Right, this is a reoccurring issue that
he has, so I'm more prone to But here's can
I can I play Devil's advocate? Well, I'm sure, sure
I can allowed to do that. But here's the devil's
advocate for you. How you dude, you're making seven hundred
million dollars. Are You're making seven hundred million dollars because
(29:32):
and you are. You are the highest paid player in
the history of American sports. So this is our signature
event in terms of entertainment all year in baseball. So
you gotta go do it. Sorry, you gotta do it.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
He probably wants to do it. Yeah, he does.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
He's he's confirmed as much.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Well he may this. Look what he publicly says and
what the reac might be different. He probably doesn't want
to do it. He's like, look, here's the deal. I'm
going to say I want to do it. Then you
guys go say the medical team, doesn't you guys be
the bad guy.
Speaker 6 (30:09):
I want the decision out of my hands, just like
the brawl when the teammates hold me back, Like hold
me back. Yeah, and show hey has a track record
he somebody else be.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
No question, no question, No guys, it's fascinating. I mean, listen,
every once in a while, Jason, you come up with
a really good topic.
Speaker 6 (30:26):
So thank you.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Come to work tomorrow. Let's get to Dan Byer. Oh no,
I want to do this on on Dalton Connect. So
this is fast. All right, we can get Andy Katz.
We'll get Andy Katz in a second. We'll ask him
about it. I'll play for you what Rob Polinka said
about Dalton Connect that in a moment. First, here's Dan Bayer.
In addition to giving us an update, he is our
(30:49):
geographic analyst and expert. All right, stuck Gottlieb Show here
on Fox Sports Radio. Let's welcome and Andy Katz. We've
been friends for longer than I've been doing sports radio
sports media. He he's covered the college game for upwards
of thirty years and of course works for the Big
Ten network, works for Fox, works for the NCAA, covers
(31:13):
the NCAA tournament as well, and he covers the NBA
Draft for NBA TV. And he joins us now on
the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio KATSI, what
was what was the most surprising thing that happened last night.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Well, there's a number of things. I mean, i'd say,
first off, in a I was pleasantly surprised that Zach
Eating went nine to Memphis because you know, I think
he could be a good fit there. It shows what
you can do. I mean, not of what's coming for obviously,
but he earned that to climb from where he was
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four years to go to number nine, pick, to be
a two time player of the Year and ago for
a national championship. I thought that was great. I thought,
you know, I was really happy for him. On the
other side, I was kind of shocked at Dalton Connect
went seventeen. I thought he would go somewhere in the
top ten because I think he's ready to contribute right away.
(32:05):
And I also thought that Karen Shannon Jr. Since he
was cleared in early June, there was enough time to
sort of, you know, say, okay, should we take him?
And I thought he would go higher. And I think
he's kind of a steal from Minnesota at twenty seven.
Then on the other side, I would just say the
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other surprise to me was that Kyle Philipowski didn't go
in the first round, obviously invited to the green room.
I wasn't totally shocked that Johnny Firpy didn't, but I
was surprised if Philipowski did not.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Yeah, that's crazy. Philipowski's Philipowski's a drop of being a
duchie and stay staying in the draft. What's interesting, though,
is like the knock against Philipowski is the same knock
you'd have against Delon connect, same knock you'd have against
Zach Edy, and yet he doesn't get drafted. That knock
is who are you going to guard?
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Right?
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Who are you going to guard? In this league? Here's
my thing on Edie. I do think obviously success story.
The problem is if it doesn't work, man, it sets
big guys back America. You know, big guys back who
are kind of traditional centers back a long way. And
I don't love the fit at all with John Morant. Right,
(33:20):
Like John Rant plays, they throw.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
It at you. I mean, you're a point guard, so
you know this bit of an eye. I would, but
I guess I'm thinking, like, does he need to be
running ahead of him? No? Can he at least be
a trailer and clean up any mess? Yes? His conditioning
certainly has improved dramatically. He was able to play essentially
(33:44):
almost forty minutes, you know, in multiple and to way
tournament games. He doesn't get into faulcral we'll see that
translates the NBA. But he didn't get into foul trouble.
He caused foul trouble. And I think, like, look in
a second unit for you know, offense, he can get
your send points like that on you know, lobs and
and so on. Now, the question, of course, Kenny Kenny
(34:06):
defend the picker roll. Do you play him with Jared
Jackson to sort of hide him a little? Maybe? I
don't know. I would like to see.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
How do you hide him when you have Jared Jackson?
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Well, I mean, I guess the question would be, you know,
is Jackson the one who's going to take more of
the defensive role in that scenario if they're on the
floor at the same time. How I mean, I guess
I got a fee on the floor before.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Yeah, I mean, like, look, here's the issue. He never
leaves the paint. In the NBA. You can't stay in
the paint. I just I don't know how. I don't
know how it works, you know, I mean again, I don't,
I don't. I don't know how it works defensively at all.
And then offensively, he's really efficient inside five ft. There
is the issue with the fact that in the low
(34:57):
post in the NBA you're two steps further out, and
the three second rules are very, very different. Like I
just I'm willing to see how it plays out. Because
he is big. He has developed a jump shot, but everybody,
you know, I don't see who he guards in that league.
I think it's gonna be really hard for him, really
(35:18):
really hard for him.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
We'll see. I mean, I to your other point about
you know, does it's a big man back, I think
he's a bit of a unicorn, And you know, the
Klingons of the world are more the norm. If you're
seventh footer, who's much more agile, room protector, weekside strong
side can run the floor better. But you know, I mean,
(35:40):
there's still amount a ton of these guys, So I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
If we I mean, look, seven four three pounds and
skilled is not is not something that you see every day.
I just me and I loved him in college, but man,
I don't know in the pros, I don't know how that.
Don't know how that works when you're going to get
going to go Goods Pros every night and they're going
to attack you at every time. Let's let's talk about connect.
(36:07):
I don't like the fit really no, because they already
had because you know, who can't guard anybody in that team,
Lebron James and he didn't move anymore. And so the
idea of using a shooting weapon that sounds great. Great,
but now you're you can get away in the NBA
with like one guy who can't guard, like you're starting
(36:28):
to get two or three. Austin Reeves not particularly great defensively. Connect.
I don't know. I mean, look, I like it because
he can play right away. He'll be able to come
in and play and make shots. I like him as
a competitor. I just don't know if that's exactly what
they need. He's a he's a three, not much of
a D guy in comparison. Sorry, but the D reference anyway?
(36:49):
What about.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
In that same uh grouping? Well, I guess sort of
much later. But how do you feel about Baylor Shireman
at thirty to Boston?
Speaker 1 (37:00):
That one I love?
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Okay, that one I love?
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Well one? The way they play a ton of threes
and then two they they're not playing with guys with
a defensive weakness, right, They're just not I mean he's
I mean, tell me the guy. The reason they won
is because they have all two way players. Yeah, every
they have all two A players. They can all shoot.
He fits into that. He's not a particularly good defender,
(37:25):
but he's not terrible. Uh, but again he fit. It's
more about fit. Like Dalton, Connect would fit better with
Boston than he does with the Lakers because the Lakers,
you're not gonna like Lebron. James is gonna play most
of the game, and Lebron can't guard anybody more at
four years old. It just doesn't doesn't really move. So
you can you can get away with one guy. You
can't get away with multiple guys. It's hard. So I
I you know that one's that that one be interesting
(37:47):
to me. What what do you think happens with brodny tonight?
Speaker 2 (37:53):
I think he goes fifty five to the Lakers. I
don't know if you agree with me on this point,
whether you know I know you don't like to fit,
but I do think by taking Connect, a older, experienced
player who can play this game right away, whether you
know he fits or not, he can play. I think
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that gives them a little bit more latitude to take
a quote project at fifty five. I think if they've
taken a developmental guy at seventeen, then it's kind of hard.
Not that you're going to get a contributor fifty five,
but it's kind of hard when you say you want
to win now and all your draft picks are guys
for later. So I kind of feel like whoever they
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took at fifty five now is gravy because they got
a guy who's experienced. Clearly, you know, Brownie is not ready.
Everyone knows that. So at this point, whatever, let the
Lakers take him. If it works, it works. If it doesn't,
it doesn't. I mean, he like, we can't send it
back to He's made this decision. So I don't see
(39:04):
other teams taking him, because do they really want to
put in all that time and effort for a player
who the way he's gonna get on the court at
six to one is he's gonna have to be a
really good defender and make shots. You know, right now,
the making shots part, I don't know if that's happening yet,
So I don't see him on the court. I don't
(39:26):
like the sort of the when Rich Paul said, oh,
you know, he's not going to be a two way guy, Well,
wouldn't you want him to make sure he gets games
under his belt? And I know two way, that way
it's sort of locked in. But at the same time,
you know that way, you're going to play in the
G League. And I don't see how it serves any
(39:47):
purpose for him to just sit on an NBA bench.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
I think Rich Paul sounds like a one of the
bigger idiots of all time with his with what he's
with saying that you're right, because he needs to play.
You're not going to get any better sitting there.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
You know.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
I don't think he's good enough. I don't believe he'll
ever be good enough. I do like the fact that, again,
unlike Dalton Connect, he's been a role player and he'll
have to continue to be a role player in order
to be successful long term in the NBA. But it's
never going to happen if he doesn't play, and he's
not going to play in the NBA except for, you know,
an occasional spot duty, you know, so they can say
he played with Lebron, but they're fighting back against even that,
(40:24):
So that part to it is really interesting to me.
I'm actually with you a great deal on the idea
of you took a ready made guy. Now you can
take a bit of a project, and it doesn't come
across that everybody you're taking is in fact a project.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Can I give you Tim Parrison here, I'm curious if
you agree with me on this or not.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Don't Drew Holiday.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
No, No, the player who is not invited to Chicago,
who's comparable in size, who is far better today and
I'm not talking about two three years from now, but
today could help you on a second unit in a game.
And that's Boo booie. If you need to tell me,
who would I take at number fifty five? Boo booie
(41:09):
or Bronnie James is not even close.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Not close, not close. I would take him this week,
I take him next week, I take him next year,
I take him next month, I take him next decade.
Just better basketball there. Plus he has the thing that
that Bronnie has yet to show he has. Bronnie is
tell me the game he's ever taken over. It's never happened,
like he didn't take over high school games. Like, so,
(41:35):
I get that he's played a secondary, tertiary, whatever role
and he can just space. But like this idea that
he's some dynamic defender. If he was the dynamic defender,
he would have played more at USC, he just would have.
I agree with you on.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
What if he goes to do Kane.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
That's that's what if he goes to do Kane and
he gets a ton of reps and he can involve
as a player, right, it's I mean, that would have
been the best. I don't un I don't understand at
all this outside of Lebron wanted to fulfill this fantasy
that he wants to play with his son, which is great,
but again, are you helping your son by doing it? No,
no kidneys to play, play and get better. You don't play.
(42:17):
You don't get better sitting there. No one's ever gotten
better sitting there just doesn't happen. So Andy Katz joining us,
longtime college hoops analyst and reporter. You've worked for the
NCAA Media and the Big Ten network only one Kentucky
guy now now col moves to to Arkansas. What does
(42:40):
it say about John cal Perry's run at Kentucky in
how it ended these past couple of years.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
First of all, what do you mean only one Kentucky guy?
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Who else got drafted? You last night?
Speaker 2 (42:54):
To read Shepherd to run?
Speaker 1 (42:55):
I forgot about read Why I had a blank on
read Shepherd? I mean fascinating, right, you got Dillingham and Shepherd.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
Okay, came off the bench, by the way.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Yeah that's crazy, right?
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Is this crazy?
Speaker 2 (43:07):
You know?
Speaker 1 (43:08):
The read Shepherd at one thing was interesting. I like
Dillingham because I think Dillingham can be that exact same
guy he was in college in the NBA, come out
the bench and just try and score well, not sheperd
Shepherd's the one I just don't know. I mean, it's
just it's such a hard feel. He shot such a
high percentage, but I don't know if that's who he
actually is. That's the one that I'm struggling with.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Well, and that's why I like Minnesota getting doing him
and Shannon to assess Kentucky. You know, they just have
a different standard. And obviously the early years were exceptional.
They were in final fours, they won a national championship.
You could argue that, you know, in twenty fifteen they
should have won. They lost to Wisconsin semi. They wasn't
(43:54):
the best team in fourteen when they lost to Yukon,
but they know they're right there. So that's back to
back four They won it in twelve, so great run.
I do think that his philosophy of getting the best
freshman or attempting to just didn't work anymore as the
(44:17):
game got older and COVID and everything else, and so
the recipe just wasn't there.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
So I think you actually made the point that you
make the point with having two guys. You have two
guys selected in the lottery, right, And granted you got
upset and they were the best offensive team in the country.
They were unbelievably fun to watch. But the fact is
that you can have two unbelievable prospects and not get
(44:43):
out of the first weekend the NCAA tournament. And I
think some of that is, you know, that's what happens
with the tournament when Goalkey lights you up from Oakland.
But some of it is also that you can't win
in college basketball with young players. Don't believe me, Here's
Kentucky with two lottery picks and they couldn't get out
the first weekend. And couldn't win the SEC right.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
You absolutely have to have some homegrown experience locker room guys,
and obviously now you need transwers and you got to
have the right ones. So but I also think that
we're in an era where unless you were there sort
of at the beginning, like the tom Izzo, I kind
(45:22):
of feel like self is an exception because he didn't
start there. But you know, there's a there's an end date,
an expiration date, Like I just don't know if you
can be somewhere fifteen years, sixteen years and people don't
get tired of you. And I think, you know, the
(45:43):
thing that I never understood with Cal because I know
he knows that fan base. He always kind of cringed
what he used to always say at Draft night, and
you and I would be there in New York, you know,
and he'd be like, Oh, this is our this is
our graduation, this is our biggest night of the year.
(46:04):
And Kapucky kids don't want to hear that. You know,
obviously it's the biggest night for those players personally, but
you shouldn't have said this is our because for Big
Blue Nation, no, no, they're all about the front of
the Jersey, not the fat Yeah. And I think people
it just got you know, people like all right enough.
(46:25):
We would rather have, uh, you know, the John Pelfrey
kind of team if they're going to win it versus
the All Star team that's gonna be bounced out early.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
Yeah. And that's and that's what they're building now with
with Mark Pope. And we'll we'll, we'll, we'll see what
what they end up. Cats, you're doing a great job.
Enjoy tonight. Of course, you can check out Andy Kats
on social media. He also works for the NCAA Media
and for the Big Ten Network. Check them out on
Instagram as well. You're the best man. Thanks for joining
(46:57):
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Speaker 2 (00:48):
So.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
I think some amazing stuff happened last night. But I'm
also kind of a It's not because I'm a basketball geek.
I'm sort of a I like picking up on trends
in the world. And here's what's Obviously, it's unique about
me that I'm a college basketball coach. That's kind of
a new thing. But it's very very cool, at least
(01:09):
for me. I hope it's cool for you. I had
a hell of a day yesterday. I got a chance
to see the inside of lambeau Field. That was crazy.
Mark Murphy, who's the president of the Green Bay Packers,
we were at a Coaches Versus Cancer event in the
Atrium of lambeau Field, which is this beautiful enclosed area
(01:30):
inside the stadium which has all been redone and can
continue to be redone as in just over three hundred days,
green Bay hosts the NFL Draft, and Mark said, I said,
you know, I haven't been inside the stadium, but I
want to take my team in to run the stadium steps.
He's like, yeah, I've been in the bowl. Like no,
So we go through all the construction and then you
walk in and you're like, oh my gosh, it's really cool. Anyway,
(01:53):
we were talking about NFL draft stuff. Then we start
talking to about NBA Draft. Then I head home and
my team sitting there and we're watching whiching the NBA
Draft take place, and two French players go one and
two and Zachia goes nine, and there's some interesting stuff there.
By the way, here's Adam Silver announcing the first pick.
(02:14):
With the first.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Pick in the twenty twenty four NBA Draft, the Atlanta
Hawks select Zachary Riza Che from the Leon France and
France's Jail four on Bress.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeh borgon Bress is a team I've actually played against.
It's interesting. Twenty twenty two years ago, I went and
played in France for a month and a half as
I got a chance to I got a chance to
play professionally in France, and I remember thinking then, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
You know.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
At that time, you know, Tony Parker had just come
to the NBA, and there was others Bors d'l and
Michael Peachrice was that year in the in the NBA,
and you saw so many, uh first the diversity in France,
especially with the French West Indies and some of the
other islands, and the migration to France as well as
(03:14):
so many Americans that had played basketball, like Tony Parker's dad,
that had played there and lived there, and you started
to understand like there was a building basketball culture. And
now to have the number one and number two pick,
that's not announcing your presence with authority nuklulu style. I
don't know what is. I don't know what is and
so yeah, is it a down year, sure, but you
(03:38):
watched uh, you watched sar Go second and he's just
a ridiculous athlete, like ridiculous in terms of the ranginess
and ability. And obviously these guys are raw and they'll
have to evolve as offensive basketball players, but crazy, crazy,
crazy talent. And you start to kind of ask yourself, like,
(04:00):
what happened to America?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Right?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
What happened to America that are top players are top prospects.
We have such a depth three hundred and fifty million
people and we dominate international basketball. How can French players
go number one and number two? Matter of fact, three
go in the top what six or seven of the
NBA draft? And yeah, obviously it's a spike here for France,
but we've seen this trend building in what is it about?
(04:26):
I have some thoughts and some ideas. I mean, like, look,
there is there is a flight a little bit from
basketball for some for some other sports, but there's still
five hundred thousand plus high school basketball players in the country.
So why And it's really interesting like this mirrors in
(04:48):
many ways a lot of the other inventions that we've
had in the United States. I mean, look at the
auto industry. You know, we created the Model T and
the Model A and the uh the production line, right,
and then it was improved and maybe even perfected by
what they've done in Japan, and obviously what they've done
(05:08):
in Germany and in other parts of the world now
in China and others in South Korea has in many
ways caught up to us. And what we've done this
mirrors that, isn't it. It doesn't make sense to anybody
else that basketball has become the auto industry and we
(05:32):
have to improve our production and the efficiency in the production.
How smart it is. I mean, I was told this
once upon a time, and it's really interesting that in
Japan they have no custodial service, and yet if you
go to someone's workstation, it's pristine. It's all what we
(05:52):
demand of our workers, right, And that's something that I'm
learning even as a coach.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Right.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
The old expression is you're either coaching it or allowing it,
and we're doing that as a society. Fascinating to me.
There is a balance there between being a dictator and
just being discipline oriented. And yes, some of it is
a spike here. Some of it is that we've depleted
some of our resources because guys constantly go, but a
(06:23):
lot of it is the fact that others are developing
better now. Alex Sar came over here to develop and
played for OTE so and so A little bit of
that is a misconception in yes, he's French born, but
he's been refined by playing for overtime Elite over the
past year and a half. But isn't it interesting how
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it feels like the NBA is where the American auto
industry has been for years? And look, there's been great
parts of the American auto industry. If you're gonna buy
a truck, you still buy an American made truck. And
by the way, even the four we're in truck brands
that the Toyot, toyotas, the Nissans, they're still made in
the United States. We still make great basketball players, but
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the percentages, the ratios are changing, and they're building better
products in many ways, or more efficient products or similar products,
and in some ways, you know, obviously with bigger players,
better products than we're building. I think the most interesting
pick is going to be Zach Edy. He goes at
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number nine, feels really really high. Just does it doesn't
matter once you're drafted, And I do understand that most
teams in the NBA have a starting center who's more
of a traditional center. They may they may only play
twenty minutes a game, but you got to be able
to have somebody who can guard those guys. Just my
question with him is, God, how does it fit with
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John Moran. John Moran is all speed and a loosiveness
and attack, and zach Edy he's he's he's a gigantic man.
He is talented of what he does, but it's gonna
be a challenge to do what he does from the
basket as he'll have to, and how is he going
to guard? And he's not really a pick and roll guy,
and John Rant's gonna need some pick and roll assistance.
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It's just not an above the rim guy. But I'm
I'm will Obviously, Memphis is willing to see how it
plays out. The comparisons to Steven Adams sound great because
Steven Adams is a gigantic man. But Steven Adams is
an amazing athlete and Zachie is done. But I looked
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at last night's draft and I saw auto industry, you know,
and and most of it is with our bigger players. Yes,
Donovan Klingen, he went what third overall? He's a Bristol,
Connecticut product, but by and large. You go around the NBA,
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look at the centers like them. Ninety five percent of
them are foreign born players. They are doing a better
job on their production line than we are. And that's
something that if you if you don't evolve, you die,
you perish. If we don't evolve, we're going to waste
all the talents that we have in the United States.
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presidential debate, I mean the presidential base right now? Oh,
the draft just started this right, Okay, My time zones
are screwed up a little bit. So yeah, really last
night it was at seven o'clock. Seven o'clock, you know,
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I thought it was a nightly event. So now we're
trying to figure out if the Lakers are going to
draft Ronnie James, So let me just throw it out
to DIRTYO. Right, didn't get drafted last night. Lakers, though,
have that fifty fifth pick. There was all the pulaver.
I love that word. What a great word. All the
polaver about Ronnie James from Rich Paul, his agent as
(10:33):
to oh, he could go to Toronto, he could go
to Dallas. He's not. No one's taking him sight unseen.
He's only worked out for the Suns and for the Lakers.
Andy Katz joined his last hour and he's like, look,
tell me if this makes sense. They draft Dalton Connect,
who's a refined, finished product ready to play. I agree.
I like Dalton Connect. I don't think he's a starter.
I think he's a bench player, but he can come
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in and make shots right away like that. Dude can score.
I'm not sure you can guard. But that's not really
the point with where he's drafted and what they needed,
and they want guys that can play. I like that.
The issue is that it's different playing with Lebron now
as opposed to playing with Lebron ten years ago. Ten
years ago, you could hide a guy who's not a
great defender because Lebron was a plus defender as well
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as a great offensive player and a great passer. Now
that's not as much the case in terms of Lebron
at the defensive end at this stage in his career.
So the question becomes, if you're if you're the Lakers,
should you draft Bronnie James? Should you draft Brinne James?
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This is not will they? This is should they? Not
will they? But should they? And my answer is no,
I don't believe anyone else is going to draft Bronnie James.
I don't. You can still acquire Bronni James through you know,
(12:02):
free agency, and by the way, you can kind of
control whatever you want to control. I wouldn't if someone's
not going to draft him, and if you get to
fifty five, no one's gonna. I don't think anybody's gonna
draft him anyway one. I don't think in truth he's
an NBA prospect at this point in time, you know,
I just don't. Additionally, the likelihood of him wanting to
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play with anyone that his dad isn't playing for. I
don't think his dad is leaving Los Angeles. They just
hired JJ Reddick. I think, you know, there's really not
a lot of leverage for Lebron to leave LA anyway.
They just hired just hired JJ Redick, who whether or
not he's hand picked, it feels like he's the hand
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pick coach for Lebron James. He's building a gigantic new house,
he has one kid in high school, one in elementary school. Like,
he's not moving, so there's not a lot of leverage there.
And then you draft a veteran player who can play, Like,
why would we win? I used to pick on a
guy that no one else is going to draft when
we can get him as an unrestricted free agent. And
oh yeah, by the way, if most guys you don't
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draft him, you're like, well, anyone could sign him. Why
would anybody else sign him? Doesn't make any sense. So
I would not draft him for that reason, Dan Byer,
what would you do?
Speaker 4 (13:20):
I wouldn't draft him either, Doug. I just if if
Lebron James is a twenty year member of the Cleveland
Cavaliers and the Cavaliers were on the clock, or maybe
a twenty year member of the Los Angeles Lakers, then
I can then I could see something like that. I
just it, just yeah, I don't. I don't love it.
(13:45):
You know, he put out a highlight video. I actually
felt bad about this of Lebron and Bryce and LEBRONI
doing a workout, and you've said it all along that
you know, Bryce is the better prospect, and it showed
in that.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
I don't think. I don't think Bryce is a better processor.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Oh okay, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
I just didn't want to put word put word GENI
mouth than.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
I mean, I've heard that said before. I don't. I
don't think I've ever commented on it. I've just heard
Bryce is, he's he's more athletic. He's also taller, but
he's he hasn't played nearly as much basketball. So there's
like I've heard that Bryce has been put in some
situations where it's like, man, he doesn't really belong because
he's just not at that level yet. Whereas Bronnie was,
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he's always been about, you know, the highest level of
au and he's always and he actually kind of came
back down to earth, whereas the Bryce thing is kind
of a new thing. But anyway, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
I thought in the video Bryce looked better and maybe
it's because he was bigger.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Yeah, he's bigger. And he can do, you know, do
more things in a one un none sort of video.
He's just more athletic because he jumps out at you.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Yeah, and so I didn't think that it did Brownie
any favors in that regard.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Yeah, probably small too. You know, Bryce isn't huge, and
obviously Lebron is a fully grown man. Bryce is small too.
Then there's the ass inspect of like, do you want
to be drafted just simply because your dad wanted you
drafted when you could have been signed as an unrestricted
free agent. On the other hand, it's really really cool.
It would be very cool to draft Bronnie James and
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have Lebron James, who just set the all time scoring
market in NBA history, in your roster, and it would
be a it would be a hey, we take care
of our Lakers. We would take care of our guys,
even though most people I know don't consider him a Laker.
What do you think, Jason Stewart?
Speaker 6 (15:30):
I think that you've kind of changed my mind on this.
The only reason you do it, you should do it,
is for business reasons. Drafting Bronny is going to put
butts in seats for next season. I think that will
be a draw. But to your point, if you could
just sign him as a free agent, doesn't matter. And
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then it just goes back to what you just said,
is is it a blow to the ego that Lebron
James would have a son that wasn't drafted and the
Lakers want to Playkate just that aspect of his ego.
If this isn't a basketball thing and it's purely a
business thing and they could just sign him anyways, it's
interesting the points that you bring up. You've changed my
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mind on this. I think the answer to the question
I thought was, yeah, you do draft him for business reasons.
I think it's a draw. I think it'll be interesting,
But you're right. If you could just wait a few
more picks until the draft ends and then sign him
to paper, what's the difference.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I would sayhim, what do you think.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
You know?
Speaker 7 (16:35):
If you're going to draft a guy who only averaged
a couple of points and he's a young man, I'd
say it's a waste of a pick. If you can
get him as a free agent, fine, I don't know
if I agree with Jason. That's gonna put butts in seats.
It's kind of like Caitlin Clark debate, put her on
the Olympic team or not that will put butts in
seats and she can play, So I don't know if
it'll put butts in seats if you draft Brownie and
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I don't know if he can play, So if you're
going to use a pick on him, I think it's
a waste.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
So are we Where are we in this one? Only
Jason says for business purposes? I actually think Jason makes
a really good point, right we are? You are in
a business and it becomes cool to say, you know,
if you drive somebody who has the symbol for boron
their last name and you're like, I don't know who
that is. I do think there's a business element of
it that we may. I don't think he puts the
single button seats. I agree with that.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
I think it'll be a TV spectacle the first time
Bronnie would check into a game, and then after that
it's over.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
And my point wasn't, as Sam pointed out, like, this
isn't because it's a Caitlin Clark thing. It's not his
basketball ability that would make somebody go to the arena.
It is I have a chance to see Lebron play
with his son, and I think it would.
Speaker 7 (17:48):
But but do you think it's a novelty that would
wear off? Like Dan said very quickly, absolutely yeah, but
the first time. Maybe that first time that'll p.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
But who But don't people go to the like the
Lakers are likely going to add one additional player. They
have JJ Reddick as their coach, like there's always and
Lebron James and Anthony Davis play for them, Like are
their empty seats anyway?
Speaker 6 (18:09):
No, no, you're right, But so I from a just
a metaphorical standpoint, I think there'll be a little bit
more interest.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
How about that?
Speaker 6 (18:16):
A bump in interest to see what Brownie played with
his death?
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Yeah, I just I mean, do we really need do
we really need to fulfill the ego of Lebron James
and draft his son, Like that's what it all feels like.
Speaker 7 (18:35):
I don't know if you could get meaningful basketball where
Bronnie and Lebron are playing together and somehow winning, that
would make it amazing. But I don't know if that's
going to be the case. And again, like he's not
that developed as a basketball player, and what if he
goes in there and he just it's like the towel
Boy part in with a water Boy, where the tawleboy
from Michigan goes in and just gets close lined. I'm
not saying that's gonna happen, but you know, I don't know.
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He might be he might be completely out of water
going in there.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
I had heard somebody say that it would make that
would make people watch the G League, And I'm like,
I didn't watch USC. Why would I watch the G League?
Speaker 1 (19:10):
The women at USC drew better than the men, like
Juju Watkins is more of a must see. Yeah, so
I don't. Again, I think this is more now social
media probably you know, but I don't think that's the
real world. I think the real world told you with USC. Yeah,
they don't, they don't see it. I could be wrong,
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and I'll be interested in that with today, with the
ratings today and how much people watch, because he's really
one of you know, two or three guys. But he's
the only real reason you would watch today if you're
into that sort of thing, if you're into the drama.
Otherwise you're in the real basketball players. But I don't
know second round of NBA Draft that's gonna be. It
feels like it's gonna be a hard watch.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
Am I thought of any one who's like completely confused
by Rich Rich Paul's play here, Like Rich Paul what
he came out with those weird We had comments last
week about I could force the Lakers to draft them
at seventeen. He had his client, who he's supposed to
be most concerned about, only work out for one team
and then the Suns. Why wouldn't you want all the
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teams to see him? Like, and then this play where
he's like they're not a package deal, and like, I
just I think, looking back, we're going to look at
those comments which Paul made last week or maybe through
through a reporter or and be like, what exactly was
going on there? Like there's something going on we don't
know about.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
No, there's not. I think there's no. There was no
interest there, and so he was trying to drum up
some leverage. I'm sure Lakers sitting there going like why
we draft this? He I was like, Wow, you know
there's lots of other people interested who you know, So
that's why he names Toronto and Dallas, which is like, okay,
you know Toronto's not taking him at thirty one, not happening.
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Dallas isn't drafting either, and especially now if they're not
a package deal. I just think he was. He was.
He was grasping at straws to try and get some
sort of leverage. And I don't believe anybody bites on that,
but I could be wrong.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
One other thing, just to let you know, And for
those that are driving and maybe can't see it because
the TV screen's not in front of them, this is
a studio set up for the second round. ESPN is
not at the Barclay Center. There are not people, there's
no there's not the stage that they used last night.
In fact, they have a looks like a faux green
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room with some second round prospects that are sitting there
that overlooks you know, whatever river the ESPN studios are on.
So this is a hey, a made for TV. But
it is not walking up on the big stage like
we saw last night, like you would in the NFL draft,
using it for three days. This is apparently taking place
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in ESPN studios in New York City.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah, that's that's super interesting that that's what they've chosen
to do, a made for TV. What is that? I
don't know if people watch. On the other hand, I
don't know if people actually like the spectacle. Does that
any like the NFL Draft is a spectacle. I don't
know if the Barclay Center is the spectacle you want
(22:13):
to be right? It always It's always been cool, but
it seems a little less cool now. I don't know why.
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Show Hey is hitting three thirty three with three home
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being our Express pros Pro of the week. By the
way he went like, was it like the first couple
(23:13):
first month, he hit like one home run? Is that
about right? J STUW? And is that is that right?
Like the numbers were? He got to a really slow start.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
Well, he didn't hit one until like the I don't
know what eighth game of the season, and I mean
he's just been on a tear lately.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
But Jay Stu, I want you to propose to the
audience and to our audience, our crew here, okay, uh,
I want you to propose why you don't believe he
should be in the home run Derby.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
And I do think that we should be out in
front of this because as talk shows get beyond the
NBA Draft here, I think we're not going to have
a whole lot to talk about. So I have a
feeling that should he be in the Home run Derby
is going to be the topic that takes us through
the All Star Game.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Really, I think I don't think anybody's gonna I don't
think anyone to this point has paid attention to this
outside of Dodger.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
Fan, which proves my point. I think will as we
approach the All Star Game, all the national outlets are
going to be picking up on this.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Debate, But they will now because you're proposing a really
interesting sort of dilemma or idea, Go ahead, propose.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (24:21):
The question is should Shohe Otani be in the home
run derby? If you read the article on the Only
Times Today, Otani would like to do it. The Dodgers
don't really want him to do it. I think Otani's
hand wars would rather he not do it. My opinion
is as easy, don't do it. And here's why he
is still rehabbing his throwing arm. For those not paying attention,
(24:45):
he has only DHD. He hasn't played the field, and
he hasn't pitched. The plan is to pitch next year,
so he's still rehabbing this arm. He could obviously swing
up bout. He's doing it very well, But the home
run derby is a different animal. Home run derby. If
you listen to anyone who's participated in this event, I'm
sure Matt Holliday.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
Could tell you this.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
It's exhausting.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
It is exhausting. You over exert yourself. You are you
are doing swings at a pace that you don't typically
do in batting practice or in the cage. So why
would you even if you're the Dodgers or show Hey
even come close to a point where you might do
something to aggravate aggravate that rehabbing arm. So the answer
(25:31):
is no, I know the public wants to see this.
I don't.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Okay, Sammy, what do you think? I mean, I have
a very strong opinion on this one. But Sammy, what
do you think?
Speaker 7 (25:45):
In a joking way, I would ask Jason if he
wants show Hey to stop hitting home runs or swinging
the bat at the plate, because that's exertion too.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I understand what he was talking about overused.
Speaker 7 (25:58):
Yes, Yes, it's a lot. Yeah, it's a lot, lot
of exertion in a short amount of time. It's like, uh,
it's it's like heart attack snow. It's like a guy
going out and shoveling really heavy snow and then an
hour later he's in the shower and drops dead.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
I'm not saying that's gonna have to show.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
But it happened, it could happen to me. Thank you
so much, sam I appreciate that.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
So it's like, yeah, you don't.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Actually had this discussion last night where they're like, are
you going to shovel your own driver? I was like no, yes,
but no I'm going to work and make the money
and hire somebody else who does it for me. So
I do believe I do actually shovel snow, even though
I don't actually shovel the snow.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
But what about a snowblower? I mean that, that's like
you didn't hear.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
I'm with the snow thrower.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Is this okay?
Speaker 1 (26:35):
One? Okay, you just actually have to use it.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
Yes, you wouldn't use it, you just want someone else
to do it.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Just I've done this. I've lived in snow covered states.
I've obviously never lived in northern Wisconsin where there's going
to get a lot of snow, but I lived in
in northern Connecticut where we got a good amount of snow.
And what I found is like everybody's like, oh, it's
so therapeutic, Like, yeah, it can be if you do
it once in a season, it's therapeutic if you're doing
it all the time. And I like, I get up early,
(27:03):
I want to go. I can't. I don't want to
get up an hour early and then make sure no,
I want it done. I want it done. It's like
one of I don't I don't lavish myself with gifts.
I don't wear jewelry. I don't have expensive stuff. So
if I'm gonna spend a couple hundred extra bucks to
make sure that my my driveway and my walkway is plowed,
that is a it's it's honestly, it's just like having
(27:27):
somebody who cleans your house.
Speaker 7 (27:28):
Yeah, there's a healthy market for snow and removal in
Wisconsin as well, so there should be no shortage. There's
a good you'll find good.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
I get. But the other part with snow throwers is
you can, you know, something get stuck. People like stick
their hand in there and they'd lose their hand, and
so that's an excuse for me. But really it's I
just don't want to get up an hour early and
then have to fill up with gas and then worry
about it and then like just have somebody else do it.
Speaker 7 (27:49):
It can be it can be a great it can
be very good exercise, but if you overdo it, it
can be bad.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
So, yes, I get Jason's point.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
You know, I get good exercise and go to the
gym begin.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
Yes, and yeah, but show.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Hey, I like good exercise.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
I'd like to see him. I'd like to see him
in it.
Speaker 7 (28:04):
But I get from like the ultimate caretaker point of view,
Jason's point makes sense.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Buyer, Where are you on the let's not snow thrower? Yeah,
First of all, you know you're gonna call me the
laziest human being.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
No, I'm not at all, but I am going to
call you out on that Green Bay is not in
northern Wisconsin. I know it's central like it is, but
it is it is not. It feels like that's where
maybe the world ends.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
But I mean, I know it continues to go north,
but generally like it's in northern was Like, well, I
guess not, it's not. You're right, I didn't actually realize
I have the state of Wisconsin on my shirt, so
I should realize that it's where that little thing sticks
out Door County. You're right, your central northeast, central Wisconsin.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
Yeah, let's go to our Wisconsin expert Iowa.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
About it, or we could actually ask the guy who
grew up in the state of Wisconsin. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
I actually agree with Jason wholeheartedly. I think that snowblower
shoey odn about Otani. I think that there is a
legitimate excuse for him to not participate. I don't think
that there there is for a lot of superstars, But
I think that this is it's.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Also not his first and it's not his first Tommy
John surgery too. Right, this is a reoccurring issue that
he has, so I'm more prone to But here's can
I can I play Devil's advocate? Well, I'm sure, sure
I can allowed to do that. But here's the devil's
advocate for you. How you dude, you're making seven hundred
million dollars. Are You're making seven hundred million dollars because
(29:32):
and you are. You are the highest paid player in
the history of American sports. So this is our signature
event in terms of entertainment all year in baseball. So
you gotta go do it. Sorry, you gotta do it.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
He probably wants to do it. Yeah, he does.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
He's he's confirmed as much.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Well he may this. Look what he publicly says and
what the reac might be different. He probably doesn't want
to do it. He's like, look, here's the deal. I'm
going to say I want to do it. Then you
guys go say the medical team, doesn't you guys be
the bad guy.
Speaker 6 (30:09):
I want the decision out of my hands, just like
the brawl when the teammates hold me back, Like hold
me back. Yeah, and show hey has a track record
he somebody else be.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
No question, no question, No guys, it's fascinating. I mean, listen,
every once in a while, Jason, you come up with
a really good topic.
Speaker 6 (30:26):
So thank you.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Come to work tomorrow. Let's get to Dan Byer. Oh no,
I want to do this on on Dalton Connect. So
this is fast. All right, we can get Andy Katz.
We'll get Andy Katz in a second. We'll ask him
about it. I'll play for you what Rob Polinka said
about Dalton Connect that in a moment. First, here's Dan Bayer.
In addition to giving us an update, he is our
(30:49):
geographic analyst and expert. All right, stuck Gottlieb Show here
on Fox Sports Radio. Let's welcome and Andy Katz. We've
been friends for longer than I've been doing sports radio
sports media. He he's covered the college game for upwards
of thirty years and of course works for the Big
Ten network, works for Fox, works for the NCAA, covers
(31:13):
the NCAA tournament as well, and he covers the NBA
Draft for NBA TV. And he joins us now on
the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio KATSI, what
was what was the most surprising thing that happened last night.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Well, there's a number of things. I mean, i'd say,
first off, in a I was pleasantly surprised that Zach
Eating went nine to Memphis because you know, I think
he could be a good fit there. It shows what
you can do. I mean, not of what's coming for obviously,
but he earned that to climb from where he was
(31:45):
four years to go to number nine, pick, to be
a two time player of the Year and ago for
a national championship. I thought that was great. I thought,
you know, I was really happy for him. On the
other side, I was kind of shocked at Dalton Connect
went seventeen. I thought he would go somewhere in the
top ten because I think he's ready to contribute right away.
(32:05):
And I also thought that Karen Shannon Jr. Since he
was cleared in early June, there was enough time to
sort of, you know, say, okay, should we take him?
And I thought he would go higher. And I think
he's kind of a steal from Minnesota at twenty seven.
Then on the other side, I would just say the
(32:25):
other surprise to me was that Kyle Philipowski didn't go
in the first round, obviously invited to the green room.
I wasn't totally shocked that Johnny Firpy didn't, but I
was surprised if Philipowski did not.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Yeah, that's crazy. Philipowski's Philipowski's a drop of being a
duchie and stay staying in the draft. What's interesting, though,
is like the knock against Philipowski is the same knock
you'd have against Delon connect, same knock you'd have against
Zach Edy, and yet he doesn't get drafted. That knock
is who are you going to guard?
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Right?
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Who are you going to guard? In this league? Here's
my thing on Edie. I do think obviously success story.
The problem is if it doesn't work, man, it sets
big guys back America. You know, big guys back who
are kind of traditional centers back a long way. And
I don't love the fit at all with John Morant. Right,
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Like John Rant plays, they throw.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
It at you. I mean, you're a point guard, so
you know this bit of an eye. I would, but
I guess I'm thinking, like, does he need to be
running ahead of him? No? Can he at least be
a trailer and clean up any mess? Yes? His conditioning
certainly has improved dramatically. He was able to play essentially
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almost forty minutes, you know, in multiple and to way
tournament games. He doesn't get into faulcral we'll see that
translates the NBA. But he didn't get into foul trouble.
He caused foul trouble. And I think, like, look in
a second unit for you know, offense, he can get
your send points like that on you know, lobs and
and so on. Now, the question, of course, Kenny Kenny
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defend the picker roll. Do you play him with Jared
Jackson to sort of hide him a little? Maybe? I
don't know. I would like to see.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
How do you hide him when you have Jared Jackson?
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Well, I mean, I guess the question would be, you know,
is Jackson the one who's going to take more of
the defensive role in that scenario if they're on the
floor at the same time. How I mean, I guess
I got a fee on the floor before.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Yeah, I mean, like, look, here's the issue. He never
leaves the paint. In the NBA. You can't stay in
the paint. I just I don't know how. I don't
know how it works, you know, I mean again, I don't,
I don't. I don't know how it works defensively at all.
And then offensively, he's really efficient inside five ft. There
is the issue with the fact that in the low
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post in the NBA you're two steps further out, and
the three second rules are very, very different. Like I
just I'm willing to see how it plays out. Because
he is big. He has developed a jump shot, but everybody,
you know, I don't see who he guards in that league.
I think it's gonna be really hard for him, really
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really hard for him.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
We'll see. I mean, I to your other point about
you know, does it's a big man back, I think
he's a bit of a unicorn, And you know, the
Klingons of the world are more the norm. If you're
seventh footer, who's much more agile, room protector, weekside strong
side can run the floor better. But you know, I mean,
(35:40):
there's still amount a ton of these guys, So I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
If we I mean, look, seven four three pounds and
skilled is not is not something that you see every day.
I just me and I loved him in college, but man,
I don't know in the pros, I don't know how that.
Don't know how that works when you're going to get
going to go Goods Pros every night and they're going
to attack you at every time. Let's let's talk about connect.
(36:07):
I don't like the fit really no, because they already
had because you know, who can't guard anybody in that team,
Lebron James and he didn't move anymore. And so the
idea of using a shooting weapon that sounds great. Great,
but now you're you can get away in the NBA
with like one guy who can't guard, like you're starting
(36:28):
to get two or three. Austin Reeves not particularly great defensively. Connect.
I don't know. I mean, look, I like it because
he can play right away. He'll be able to come
in and play and make shots. I like him as
a competitor. I just don't know if that's exactly what
they need. He's a he's a three, not much of
a D guy in comparison. Sorry, but the D reference anyway?
(36:49):
What about.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
In that same uh grouping? Well, I guess sort of
much later. But how do you feel about Baylor Shireman
at thirty to Boston?
Speaker 1 (37:00):
That one I love?
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Okay, that one I love?
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Well one? The way they play a ton of threes
and then two they they're not playing with guys with
a defensive weakness, right, They're just not I mean he's
I mean, tell me the guy. The reason they won
is because they have all two way players. Yeah, every
they have all two A players. They can all shoot.
He fits into that. He's not a particularly good defender,
(37:25):
but he's not terrible. Uh, but again he fit. It's
more about fit. Like Dalton, Connect would fit better with
Boston than he does with the Lakers because the Lakers,
you're not gonna like Lebron. James is gonna play most
of the game, and Lebron can't guard anybody more at
four years old. It just doesn't doesn't really move. So
you can you can get away with one guy. You
can't get away with multiple guys. It's hard. So I
I you know that one's that that one be interesting
(37:47):
to me. What what do you think happens with brodny tonight?
Speaker 2 (37:53):
I think he goes fifty five to the Lakers. I
don't know if you agree with me on this point,
whether you know I know you don't like to fit,
but I do think by taking Connect, a older, experienced
player who can play this game right away, whether you
know he fits or not, he can play. I think
(38:18):
that gives them a little bit more latitude to take
a quote project at fifty five. I think if they've
taken a developmental guy at seventeen, then it's kind of hard.
Not that you're going to get a contributor fifty five,
but it's kind of hard when you say you want
to win now and all your draft picks are guys
for later. So I kind of feel like whoever they
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took at fifty five now is gravy because they got
a guy who's experienced. Clearly, you know, Brownie is not ready.
Everyone knows that. So at this point, whatever, let the
Lakers take him. If it works, it works. If it doesn't,
it doesn't. I mean, he like, we can't send it
back to He's made this decision. So I don't see
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other teams taking him, because do they really want to
put in all that time and effort for a player
who the way he's gonna get on the court at
six to one is he's gonna have to be a
really good defender and make shots. You know, right now,
the making shots part, I don't know if that's happening yet,
So I don't see him on the court. I don't
(39:26):
like the sort of the when Rich Paul said, oh,
you know, he's not going to be a two way guy, Well,
wouldn't you want him to make sure he gets games
under his belt? And I know two way, that way
it's sort of locked in. But at the same time,
you know that way, you're going to play in the
G League. And I don't see how it serves any
(39:47):
purpose for him to just sit on an NBA bench.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
I think Rich Paul sounds like a one of the
bigger idiots of all time with his with what he's
with saying that you're right, because he needs to play.
You're not going to get any better sitting there.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
You know.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
I don't think he's good enough. I don't believe he'll
ever be good enough. I do like the fact that, again,
unlike Dalton Connect, he's been a role player and he'll
have to continue to be a role player in order
to be successful long term in the NBA. But it's
never going to happen if he doesn't play, and he's
not going to play in the NBA except for, you know,
an occasional spot duty, you know, so they can say
he played with Lebron, but they're fighting back against even that,
(40:24):
So that part to it is really interesting to me.
I'm actually with you a great deal on the idea
of you took a ready made guy. Now you can
take a bit of a project, and it doesn't come
across that everybody you're taking is in fact a project.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Can I give you Tim Parrison here, I'm curious if
you agree with me on this or not.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Don't Drew Holiday.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
No, No, the player who is not invited to Chicago,
who's comparable in size, who is far better today and
I'm not talking about two three years from now, but
today could help you on a second unit in a game.
And that's Boo booie. If you need to tell me,
who would I take at number fifty five? Boo booie
(41:09):
or Bronnie James is not even close.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Not close, not close. I would take him this week,
I take him next week, I take him next year,
I take him next month, I take him next decade.
Just better basketball there. Plus he has the thing that
that Bronnie has yet to show he has. Bronnie is
tell me the game he's ever taken over. It's never happened,
like he didn't take over high school games. Like, so,
(41:35):
I get that he's played a secondary, tertiary, whatever role
and he can just space. But like this idea that
he's some dynamic defender. If he was the dynamic defender,
he would have played more at USC, he just would have.
I agree with you on.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
What if he goes to do Kane.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
That's that's what if he goes to do Kane and
he gets a ton of reps and he can involve
as a player, right, it's I mean, that would have
been the best. I don't un I don't understand at
all this outside of Lebron wanted to fulfill this fantasy
that he wants to play with his son, which is great,
but again, are you helping your son by doing it? No,
no kidneys to play, play and get better. You don't play.
(42:17):
You don't get better sitting there. No one's ever gotten
better sitting there just doesn't happen. So Andy Katz joining us,
longtime college hoops analyst and reporter. You've worked for the
NCAA Media and the Big Ten network only one Kentucky
guy now now col moves to to Arkansas. What does
(42:40):
it say about John cal Perry's run at Kentucky in
how it ended these past couple of years.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
First of all, what do you mean only one Kentucky guy?
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Who else got drafted? You last night?
Speaker 2 (42:54):
To read Shepherd to run?
Speaker 1 (42:55):
I forgot about read Why I had a blank on
read Shepherd? I mean fascinating, right, you got Dillingham and Shepherd.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
Okay, came off the bench, by the way.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Yeah that's crazy, right?
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Is this crazy?
Speaker 2 (43:07):
You know?
Speaker 1 (43:08):
The read Shepherd at one thing was interesting. I like
Dillingham because I think Dillingham can be that exact same
guy he was in college in the NBA, come out
the bench and just try and score well, not sheperd
Shepherd's the one I just don't know. I mean, it's
just it's such a hard feel. He shot such a
high percentage, but I don't know if that's who he
actually is. That's the one that I'm struggling with.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Well, and that's why I like Minnesota getting doing him
and Shannon to assess Kentucky. You know, they just have
a different standard. And obviously the early years were exceptional.
They were in final fours, they won a national championship.
You could argue that, you know, in twenty fifteen they
should have won. They lost to Wisconsin semi. They wasn't
(43:54):
the best team in fourteen when they lost to Yukon,
but they know they're right there. So that's back to
back four They won it in twelve, so great run.
I do think that his philosophy of getting the best
freshman or attempting to just didn't work anymore as the
(44:17):
game got older and COVID and everything else, and so
the recipe just wasn't there.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
So I think you actually made the point that you
make the point with having two guys. You have two
guys selected in the lottery, right, And granted you got
upset and they were the best offensive team in the country.
They were unbelievably fun to watch. But the fact is
that you can have two unbelievable prospects and not get
(44:43):
out of the first weekend the NCAA tournament. And I
think some of that is, you know, that's what happens
with the tournament when Goalkey lights you up from Oakland.
But some of it is also that you can't win
in college basketball with young players. Don't believe me, Here's
Kentucky with two lottery picks and they couldn't get out
the first weekend. And couldn't win the SEC right.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
You absolutely have to have some homegrown experience locker room guys,
and obviously now you need transwers and you got to
have the right ones. So but I also think that
we're in an era where unless you were there sort
of at the beginning, like the tom Izzo, I kind
(45:22):
of feel like self is an exception because he didn't
start there. But you know, there's a there's an end date,
an expiration date, Like I just don't know if you
can be somewhere fifteen years, sixteen years and people don't
get tired of you. And I think, you know, the
(45:43):
thing that I never understood with Cal because I know
he knows that fan base. He always kind of cringed
what he used to always say at Draft night, and
you and I would be there in New York, you know,
and he'd be like, Oh, this is our this is
our graduation, this is our biggest night of the year.
(46:04):
And Kapucky kids don't want to hear that. You know,
obviously it's the biggest night for those players personally, but
you shouldn't have said this is our because for Big
Blue Nation, no, no, they're all about the front of
the Jersey, not the fat Yeah. And I think people
it just got you know, people like all right enough.
(46:25):
We would rather have, uh, you know, the John Pelfrey
kind of team if they're going to win it versus
the All Star team that's gonna be bounced out early.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
Yeah. And that's and that's what they're building now with
with Mark Pope. And we'll we'll, we'll, we'll see what
what they end up. Cats, you're doing a great job.
Enjoy tonight. Of course, you can check out Andy Kats
on social media. He also works for the NCAA Media
and for the Big Ten Network. Check them out on
Instagram as well. You're the best man. Thanks for joining
(46:57):
us well Phoenix
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