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Speaker 2 (00:18):
Trivia right off the vat Monsei. Do you know what
j E t S stands for?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Jets?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
It does, but it also for years and football fans
know this. It has stood for just end the season.
Now now it should stand for just explain this bleep
because we're at it again with Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Oh that's pretty good. Did you come up with that
this morning? Yesterday? When did you come.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Up with that?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Come on this, this is on the fly. This is
what I do.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
You do?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Want you do?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
We do that?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I am him.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
You are a wordsmith, just like Aaron Rodgers.
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I would like to thank Aaron Rodgers. I'd like to
thank him so much that I don't have to sit
here for two hours today and break down Team USA
against South Sudan. Can we just enjoy the Olympics? Can
we there? They're coming up this week? We can't coming
up this week. This Friday, we're gonna We're gonna have
a bunch of news on the rings. One head coach
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went way over more in the National Football League. Plus,
we can't ignore the big news of the weekend Joe
Biden President Biden dropping out of the twenty twenty four election.
So we task ourselves here at Fox Sports Radio. When
do you wish you would have dropped out of something
that he ended up going through? I had to go
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on the way back machine. But I look back and
oh I should have tapped out? Should have just Nope,
this is not gonna work. Send your ideas to Manci
at Monty Blanios. You can find me at Dan Byer
on Fox. Am I correct in saying when we were
talking about that that you were like, Hey, I'm not
sure what I should have dropped out? Correct?
Speaker 5 (02:03):
Yes, but it's it is such a wide term that
you can, you know, go into well that time when
I was out drinking.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
I probably should have stopped. I probably should have gone home.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
That was many times, you know what I'm saying, Probably
should have gone.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Home early that day.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Also relationships that maybe you should have dropped out of.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Oh yes, yes, yeah ioa Sam, can you get with that?
You done with that? Absolutely? Sam's mike is closer to
me than it is him. So nobody wants to be
on the air today. Iowa, Sam is here, Jason Stewart's here,
Nikope is here. I think Aaron Rodgers should have dropped
out of the trip to Egypt in June and should
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have showed up to practice with the New York Jets.
But it is now officially football season because players are
returning the camp. In fact, we'll have a game a
week from Thursday as the Hall of Fame Game will
kick things off. But yeah, it's the NFL season. Jordan
loves having his own contract issue. We mentioned an NFL
head coach that's gone overboard. But when Aaron Rodgers speaks,
people listen and sometimes they roll their eyes. And again
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that was me today with Aaron Rodgers as he was
able to speak with Barstool Sports. Speaking with Big Cat
and a PFT commenter about a variety of topics. And
Aaron Rodgers likes to go in these safe places to
talk to people. Right, It's a good safe place. There's
certain conversations you can have with certain people.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
He knows what he's doing.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
He's calculated even with who he speaks to and about what.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
And so you'll see him on Pat McAfee and you'll
see him with the guys at Barstool into the guys
at Barstool's credit that they will ask him about questions
that maybe you shouldn't or that he wouldn't want to answer.
If a normal reporter were to ask him, say it
after a game on you or a Wednesday practice session,
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he wouldn't want to deal with these questions. But he's
fine getting it from Big Cat and PFT commenter, and
he's fine getting them from Pat McAfee. I have no
problems with the questions that they ask, really, I just
have more of a problem with the answer of what
Aaron Rodgers said. This is why Aaron Rodgers, all right,
was unexcused from his mandatory mini camp and the wordsmith
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that he is unlike me. This is what Aaron Rodgers
came up with the.
Speaker 6 (04:19):
Thing that I think people don't understand is that when
I was in the NFC North and playing for that
team years ago, there used to be a real thing
called mini camp where it was you had one of them.
Usually sometimes it's right up for the draft, but either way,
it was five practices and three days Friday, Saday, Sunday.
So two practices on Friday, two on Saturday, one on Sunday.
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And now it's not mini camp. They can arbitrarily put
a tag on whatever week of OTA's they want. Yeah,
this is the mini camp week, which makes it somehow
more mandatory than the other weeks. But it was an
OTA schedule. That's how it's. You know how words can
be a little from time to time. You can make
a story of the fact that I missed a mini
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camp when it was really two OTA days, right, interest
I came to the first ten.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah, no, oh okay, oh no, I get okay, You're
good with me. Quit with the the he you know,
the the Dog and Pony show, the the the hidden
ball trick, sleight of hand. That's all this is with
Aaron Rodgers Bonzi, him trying to explain his way out
of why he was in Egypt.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Justify I think is the Yeah, there he is justifying
and man splaining to all of us. Yeah he was yeah,
football spl football explaining. Yeah, I couldn't think of something.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
But what I'm saying like he was.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Football splaining to the rest of us, like we don't know,
like we don't know the schedule, we don't know what
we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Here's the deal, guys, this is the real deal. I'm
gonna this is this called ota is now to call
a different name. That's what I missed. That's what I missed.
I know, it's your half birthday. It's not really your birthday,
it's your you know, but this is what I really missed.
This is all garbage because it doesn't take away the fact,
manci that Aaron Rodgers is in the absolute twilight of
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his career. I would even say we're at dusk. Would
you guys say we're at dusk? When it comes to
Aaron Rodgers career, like there's a season or two left
in this career without any knowledge of how he is
going to fully be able to come back from his
significant injury that he suffered four plays into last season
with a team that has new players in that you
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didn't have prior experience with that, you now have a
head coach, and for all intents and purposes, the offensive
coordinator who's one of your best friends, having their job
on the line, and you feel that your trip to
Egypt was more important than just being around your team
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for what's going to be likely the final couple of
years of your NFL career. That is the point that
we're getting at Aaron Rodgers. It's not of what is
this and what is that. It's the commitment to the
team and the players for what is barely left in
your NFL career. Where the expectations Manzi are as high
as the Empire State Building for New York of what
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they could do with Aaron Rodgers, what they have with
that defense if he's healthy, if everyone is on the
same page. The Jets have huge expectations and Aaron Rodgers' expectations.
Our people should understand why he wants to go to
Egypt and when he wants to go to Egypt. And
that's the point. You can explain to me all you
want about what OTAs are, what mandatory mini camps are,
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what cbas are, and the whole deal. None of it
excuses the fact that you weren't with your team in
an off season that could likely cost your buddy his job.
And if your buddy doesn't return, how much are you
going to want to play for the Jets next season?
Like this is you talk about Jerry Jones wanting to
be all in. The Jets have to be all in
this season, otherwise most of the people are going to
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be out. And that's what Aaron Rodgers is missing.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
I mean, the thing is that this is Aaron Rodgers.
Though people you right now are are so flustered by.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Him, but this is who he is.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
He is not the type of dude that has taken
responsibility in the past.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
He is a wordsmith and that's what he likes to do.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
So to me, this is just not surprising, and it's
in a way sad that this is what I expect
of Aaron Rodgers that.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
He doesn't realize it. It's like, dude, you're the leader.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
Of this team and you did not play an entire season,
a freak accident that happened so quickly, but the expectation
is there and you should be there, you should want
to be there, but instead here you are trying to
football splain to us and avoid the actual topic or
the actual conversation, which is you should have just said
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I probably should not have done that. Now that I'm
removed from a couple of weeks whatever, I probably should
not have done that. But you know, I have been
around the league for so many years that I actually
don't feel like I missed too much. It's just like
you could have still said the right thing, but you
chose to.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Continue to say the wrong thing.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
But that's Aaron Rodgers and try to make us be
the ones in the wrong.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
This is why it Yeah, this is why you don't understand.
But this is the reason. Aaron Rodgers playing in the
celebrity golf tournament like Tahoe a little more than a
week ago and was even quoted as saying there like
this is my summer ends here. So the point is
is that he knew when the summer ended and the
football season was ready to go and get ready for
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the season. And that sounds like, yeah, I'm all in,
But he also knew when that golf tournament was going
to be taking place, knew that there weren't going to
be practices at that point, knew that all right, I'm
going to put that on my calendar when you or
me try to plan for a vacation. And I'm not
trying to get into Aaron Rodgers' wallet. Point is is
we have to plan because you know, let's plan earlier.
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It's cheaper that way. I don't think that Aaron Rodgers
needs to worry about a late, last minute flight to Egypt.
If he wants to go, he can figure out a
way to make it work for him in his schedule.
So when you find out the schedule of practices, let's
plan my Egypt trip. Tip say that three times fast
Egypt trip around those practice schedules, around those OTAs, mandatory
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mini camps, however you want it to be. And he,
for some reason thinks that that's way too much to ask.
But if you were to take this in any sort
of normal day experience, I take it as like a
police chief who's nearing retirement. He's sixty and maybe could
call it quit at sixty two and everything cashes in,
you know, full board pension, everything. Just stick around to
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your sixty two and you're good. If he and his
wife take a three week Alaskan cruise at the age
of sixty one, you know what he's looking for. The
finish line. That's what he's looking for right now. He's
not like, you know what, I'm going to commit to
the department here for the final two years. I'm gonna
put everything that I have in because you know what,
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once it's done, it's done, and I'm off to retirement.
That's not Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers isn't putting everything into
football and then he's off to retirement. He wants to
do all these other things and then expect to go
and win when again, there are so many things on
the line for the Jets this season and him trying
to explain it. None of this is new, By the way,
nothing new happened in the last twenty four hours of
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the last forty eight hours except him trying to explain
why he was a no show in January, and then
had Robert Salah talking circles around in us trying to
figure out what he meant. And this is the problem
with Aaron Rodgers and why it becomes such a headache.
Just explain the bleep, that's all we need to know.
Admit you're wrong and move on and we can move
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on from there.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
You know what's crazy is that he doesn't think he's wrong,
and I think that's the bottom line here. He does
not think he did anything wrong. He thinks I did
what Aaron Rodgers wanted to do, and if Aaron Rodgers
wants to do this, I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
He is of very it's all about me.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
Like I truly don't think he thinks he did anything
wrong and that he him missing these two days, that
it doesn't it doesn't put a bad light on his leadership,
when in reality it does. You should have been there,
You really should have been there, and especially just the
way Robert Sala handled it, because had Robert Sala said
something different from the beginning, maybe we wouldn't be talking
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about this. But you could tell that there was a
bit of a disconnect, a bit of miscommunication between you
and the team. They weren't happy about it. How do
you not see that because he doesn't care, Dan, He
does not care. He does not look at the situation
the way the rest of us.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Look at it. He has the Aaron Roger vision.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
And his job wasn't on the line. Robert Sala's job
is on the line. Odds came out from bed Online
within the past week. The head coach with the shortest
odds to be dismissed during the season. Numero Uno Robert.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Salov on the Jets, you don't say do you want.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
To talk about pressure? Like that's that's where you can
you can help your group. We got to tweet just
as we were talking here, and Shaft, not the movie character,
Shaft tweets in Fox Sports really has it out for
Aaron Rodgers. So many players missed mini camps over the
years for many reasons. Who cares were you listening at
all to what we were saying for the last ten minutes.
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This is a make or break season for the New
York Jets. Your career Aaron Rodgers is coming down to
likely the next twenty four months, and then football is done.
It is likely done for life. It is over with.
So is it too much to ask to schedule a
trip to Egypt around to practice, around to practice sessions. Sure,
players miss all the time, but this situation isn't like
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every other situation in the National Football League. It is
extremely unique for a guy who only played four snaps
for the team last year and is coming off of
an injury and is going to be forty years old.
This is the reason why it is a big deal.
This is a big reason. It is a commitment. It
is the message that you're sending. That is why it
is not a who cares sort of deal. It's not
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a Fox Sports Fox Sports Radio has different opinions everywhere,
But Aaron Rodgers for some reason, felt the need to
go to Egypt while his other team is trying to
save the job of Robert Salah and his good buddy
Nathaniel Hackett.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
Yes, Shaft, We're we're trying to figure out why Aaron
Rodgers doesn't care. That's what we're trying to figure out.
Why he thinks this isn't a big deal. That's what
we're trying to figure out. But instead he tells us
and explains to us how many camp works.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
That's what that's That's how he justified it.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
He is the man that's not looking out for his
brother man Rogers. Can you dig it? It's the Doug
Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. You know where
that's from? You know where that's from? Right Iowa? Sam,
Do you know where that is from? That shaft that
is chef? You know it? Yes? Can you knows that one?
I'm missy. He is the man who will make you
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try to look stupid. Rogers.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
I feel like I've an image. Is it like an
episode maybe of maybe Fresh Prince of bel Air and there's.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
A Shaft like at Vegas marrying a couple and they're
like singing, what episode is that?
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Is that Fresh Prince of bel Air?
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Do you got talking about? Do you see it?
Speaker 2 (15:15):
It was a Shaft wedding.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
Yes, yeah, that literally when you started singing that, that's
what I was like.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Oh, that is who we are talking about. Aaron Rodgers
is Shaft of the Jets with this.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
He really has, by the way, he really is.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
He should he did, he did, He absolutely did. She's
Monty Bloo. So I'm Dan Buyer in for Doug Gottlieb
today here on Fox Sports Radio. It's good to say
football season is back. Hit her up at Monty Blagos.
You can find me at Dan Byer on Fox.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
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Speaker 2 (15:52):
Honestly, we could have been tweeted by anybody. Yeah, and
this song doesn't come up, but Shaft tweeted us and
this is what we get. It's the Doug Gottlieb Show
here on Fox Sports Radio. Manzi's on the ultimate high
because it was an episode of Fresh Prince. Yeah, did
did uh? Did Bob Newhart appear on that episode of
Fresh Prince? Iowa Sam, by the way, it's big show.
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I'm Dan Byers. She's Monty Belanos again, still reeling from
Sam last week thinking that the late Bob Newhart appeared
on an episode of Mary Tyler mort I thought he
was like on the show for like seasons of season
more than I don't think he was on Fresh Princes,
So I don't think but that Manzi nailed that episode.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
I did you took me to that?
Speaker 2 (16:37):
And I said to Manzie, I said, I remember the
episode where I believe it was it was Carlton who
rented the basement out to Bell biv Davo for their
music video because I love Belle biv Davo and was
so into that. But then you mentioned it and everybody's
Ricky's popping in. He was sending us the clips spot
on with that. The other team that Aaron Rodgers by
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the way, was talking about team it was the Green
Bay Packers and there's news from them today. I'm sure
Nick Cope's gonna mention it in his update, But essentially,
Jordan Love and the Packers haven't agreed on a contract extension.
They're close, but Love is going to do a sit in,
so he's not going to practice, but he's going to
be with the team, won't get fined. But I actually
also think it is a little smart for it's good
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for Love that he doesn't suffer an injury and the
Packers can back out, but there's at least a good
will gesture sentiment in a sit in sort of aspect,
I do think, and I think it's one of the
rare occasions, and maybe it's not even true in all
of this, but I do think that Love has a
lot more leverage than Aaron Rodgers had or others had,
because the Packers have admitted he's their quarterback of the future,
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and even though Brian Goodokuntzk has said, we want to
make sure that we can build that team around him,
unlike having the Packers turning to Jordan Love when Aaron
Rodgers was there late in his career. There's not a
plan be in Green Bay right now. So if I
am Jordan Love. I do think that he has leverage,
just the question of how much he wants to utilize
it and will he really take the Packers to the bank.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
Yeah, no, he totally has leverage for a couple of reasons.
He started slow and ended the season hot, not the
other way around, so he ended on a high note. Yeah,
they lost to the forty nine ers, but nobody was
expecting them to win, even though it seemed like there
was a big chance.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
That they were going to win.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
But he had a good season, ended top ten in
passing touchdowns, passing yards, touchdown to interception ratio.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
Like, I feel like if it would have started hot
and ended not so hot, but his trajectory was perfect
for him. And also the fact that we keep hearing
that this upcoming quarterback class in the next draft is
not going to be that great, So he really has
all the leverage going for him right now.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
I don't know if he.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
Should be a top five paid quarterback, but maybe that's
what it ends up being.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
I would, and I would It wouldn't bother me if
he was, because yeah, just for the simple fact that
then you know that there are other quarterbacks that are
going to follow that at some point will be paid
more than he is. But in terms of the teams
usually have all the leverage in this because you have
the opportunity to use the franchise tag and then with
quarterbacks you can use it again and sometimes it's worth it.
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But still I think Green Bay needs to get a
deal done in this scenario. Jordan Love really isn't going anywhere,
but it's just a question now a matter of how
much does he want to give up how much is
the team willing to give him so they can fill
out that team. Like Brian Goudokun says, I have one
correction before we go to Nikkope I mentioned earlier, and
it's not really a correction because I'm going to go
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to the Aaron Rodgers school of explaining. I said that
Rogers was going to turn forty. When I said that
he's thirty nine in nineteen months, that's what he is.
So he's thirty nine years old in nineteen months. That's
how old Aaron Rodgers is. So I wasn't exactly maybe right, yes, No,
he's thirty nine and nineteen months. That's the other gig.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Do think he's yourself with your kids. He's thirty seven
months old.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
He's thirty nine years in nineteen months, and it will
be thirty nine years and twenty four months in early December.
That's where you are with Aaron Rodgers. Even more of
a reason. I just got an email that said, same
exact thing, Aaron Rodgers. It will turn thirty nine years
in twenty four months coming up in early December. Iowa
Sam at Iowa Sam ninety nine. Thank you, yep, thank
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you for that. Dan, he's actually four hundred and sixty
eight months old. Oh good, let's keep it specific. For
getting that out.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
When you're getting that four to seventy range, you know,
it's tricky for a four hundred and seventy months for
that NFL quarterback. It is when we had our baby.
They give you stickers for like one month, two months,
and you take there's there's nothing for like thirteen or
fourteen months, but the cutoff is two, like you say
nineteen months. But then when you get to twenty months,
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you're kind of just like, he's going to be two.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
This month, so you're no longer saying thirty seven months.
You're not going to say.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
That he's close to thirty seven months, just north of it.
But yeah we are past that.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Good. Yes, Because when people respond like that, I have
to do math. I'm like, okay, twelve twelve, and then
divided by got it.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
I get annoyed when people just don't tell you their age,
when they're like how old are You're like, I'm going
to be forty eight in January, so you're forty seven. No,
they want to tell you the birthday as well. Nick, Cope,
you've got a birthday coming up this fall? Correct? Yes, yes,
November not my birthday were late.
Speaker 7 (21:32):
I was just thinking about Rogers how every time he
gives one of these interviews where he explains himself, he
acts so annoyed, but he never changes his approach, so
I think he just loves it, right.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
This is him. Yes, I agree he acts.
Speaker 7 (21:48):
All annoyed and so misunderstood, but he doesn't do anything
to change his actions so that he might be better understood.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I'm sorry I was completely thrown off by Nick being
like I don't want to talk about my birthday, Like,
what's wrong with you?
Speaker 5 (22:01):
You just love talking about your birthday, your half birthday,
a quarter birthday.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
I am not familiar with your way of thinking.
Speaker 7 (22:09):
Inside of four months to my birthday.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
All right, the countdown is it's out in the lobby, right,
the countdown to Nick Cope's birthday. Nobody else here Fox,
You guys know this about me. My favorite Shakespeare play
is Hamlet, right.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Totally.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
I have that in my notes under your name in
my phone.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
The Lady doth protests too much methinks from Hamlets, of
course my favorite Shakespeare play. I say that because I
think it's apropos for one John Harbaugh of the Baltimore Ravens.
We have a little bit of what John Harbaugh said
yesterday to members of the media in support of his
quarterback Lamar Jackson. Now, mind you, the Ravens haven't played
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a game. They just started practice and they lost the
AFC Championship about six months go. But today or this
weekend was the opportunity for John Harbaugh to really say
what he felt. This was a part of the two
and a half plus minute I don't say it's a rant,
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but it was quite the speech from John Harbaugh about
his quarterback Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 8 (23:15):
The vision for Lamar Jackson, and it's a vision. It's
something you see it like it's already happened. You can
see it like it's already been done. The victory has
already been won when you pour into a vision, and
the vision that we have together is a Lamar Jackson
is going to become and be known and be recognized
as the greatest quarterback ever to play in the history
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of the National Football League. That's the vision, all right.
It's going to happen by Lamar his work ethic and
his brilliant talent, by all of us pouring into that
effort together as a team, teamwork, and by the grace
of God and God's goodwill.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
That's how it's going to happen.
Speaker 8 (23:57):
And I believe it like we've already seen.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
All right, in a sense of trying to kill a narrative,
he's just poured gasoline all over it a bit, and
it just I think it's a misguided speech. The timing
of it is a little weird. But I also just
don't think that John Harbaugh has the right narrative. I mean,
Dan Patrick even said earlier today, like these expectations to
call him to say that there is a vision of
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him being the greatest quarterback of all time is basically
just having him set up to fail. Yeah, which is
unfair to Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Yeah, I agree with that take because that's a bold statement,
and I think most people on social media were like,
it's Patrick Mahomes not in the league anymore, Like that
was the first initial.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Tom Brady who was Tom Brady who?
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Like so many people because it was such a bold statement.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
But obviously John Harbaugh is addressing all of the critics that.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Lamar Jackson has.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
I mean, he's probably talking to me specifically, because a
couple of months ago, you know, I, you and I
were here sitting right here talking about who should be
the end NFL MVP after the Ravens defeated the forty
nine Ers where the Ravens had multiple interceptions, and we
were here sitting and talking about the MVP race, and
I said, I don't think it should be Lamar Jackson.
(25:12):
And a lot of people took not too kind to
the words that I use when I said this, and
I got dragged on social media through the mud by
his fan base, and it's like, Lamar Jackson is great,
nobody is denying that.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
That's not what it is.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
So it's like, I feel like with Lamar Jackson, it's
either you think he's the greatest or you're a hater
and I don't understand why it has to be looked
at that one.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Sure, sure, And when you look at Lamar Jackson, I
think that in the part of your conversation and different
words could have been you sure, But the fact is
you had a top three quarterback MVP Lamar Jackson, who
by the way is not only won one MVP award.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
One two youngest.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
And when you look back at the game, where I
think it's the AFC Championship, and this is really where
this heat ends up coming from is if you remember
back to the game, they decided to not run the ball,
which by the way, completely unfair to your quarterback. You
thoughtn't even trying to change the narrative. They had the
ball for twenty two minutes that game, twenty two minutes
plus you had a wide receiver who fumbled the ball
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at the one yard line and in one of the
turnovers Lamar did have, the defense did stand up and
had the Chiefs turnover on downs. So you lose to
the kids at City Chiefs seventeen to ten in an
AFC Championship game. And yeah, if people don't want to
care and look it up or remember, they'll just see
the ten points and be like, oh, Lamar didn't do
it again. I don't think that had anything to do
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with Lamar. The defense couldn't get off the field when
they were when the offense was on the field. They
were calling plays that they hadn't done in the first
twenty weeks of the season and did what got them there.
You're also, you know, playing in a scenario where you know,
Mark Andrews is trying to come back from his you know,
injury that he had. It just wasn't a great situation.
(26:56):
But I don't blame Lamar for that. Len Lamar had
the the the rankings last week that came out of
the anonymous coaches that ESPN does, and he was ranked
I think he was behind Josh Allen and Aaron Torres
and I were sitting here talking about it. I'm like, yeah, Like,
if you really want to come down to brass tacks,
you could point to a lot of stuff in what
Josh Allen has around you. But Lamar is not only
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one but two Most Valuable Player awards sitting on his
mantle and coming into this season it's trying to figure
out a way to knock off the Kansas City Chiefs,
if you're the Baltimore Ravens and try to now navigate
a division that I think got tougher when Pittsburgh improves
at quarterback and Joe Burrow is fully back healthy for
the Cincinnati Bengals, and we think the Browns will be
better with Deshaun Watson, although they were pretty good with
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Joe Flacco. It's just you have other fish to fry, like.
This isn't the narrative. This isn't a story and a
narrative that I feel is one that we need. I
think we all think that Lamar is great. To sit
there and put him on a route where he's got
to be now the greatest quarterback of all time, I
think can only backfire for John Harbaugh.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
And it did already.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
Everybody on social media had a counter to those words,
because again people brought their favorite quarterbacks into it.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Joe Montana, you know what's his face that plays? Patrick Mahomes.
I was joking about what's the face? What's his face?
Speaker 5 (28:14):
Because I said to you last time we were talking
about Babe Ruth and I can remember his name, So
what's his face?
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
Yeah, I kind of just mentioned about Jordan Love in
his contract situation, where I was like, he's in a
really good spot because he ended on a high note.
And I feel like, unfortunately, unfortunately for Lamar Jackson and
the Ravens, people just remember that game and they he
took a lot of the blame when in reality was like,
the Ravens played a game we hadn't seen all season.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
I don't know what team that was. I don't know
if they just changed it.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
Because the Kansas City Chiefs forced their hand to but yeah,
the decisions made were definitely from the coaching.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Was wondering what was going on. Yeah, everybody that was
like and honestly, it's a It's also a tip of
the cap to the Kansas City Chiefs because and I think,
by the way, the Chiefs will be a whole new discussion.
Chris Jones had some some comments and talking about a
three peed. I know someone here on staff is buying
into a Chiefs three pet. I won't say who, but
it could be Mason. His name Rotten Smith. But the
(29:14):
thing that was so great about the Kansas City Chiefs
and what I get so enamored with with the Kansas
City Chiefs is how Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid manipulate
the clock to their favor. Like we think of the
Chiefs as this high scoring offense. Well, you know what,
they didn't want Lamar Jackson on the field. Ye, they
held the ball. Again, if the Chiefs have it for
just north of twenty two minutes or the Bravens have
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it for north of twenty two minutes, that means the
Chiefs held the football for almost thirty eight minutes in
that game. They know how to maximize and to get
the most out of your drives and to be able
to keep the offense on the field. When they have
to milk a clock and they're at the forty yard
line on there's six minutes to go, they will get
eleven yards in those three plays and it will drive
you absolutely bonkers. It's crazy to see what to see
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what the Kansas City Chiefs do. So the Chiefs plan
going into that game is how do we keep the
MVP off the field? Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah,
and they did that and they ended up going to
the Super Bowl and winning the Super Bowl. Like we're
I think we're past the point of appreciating lam He's
a top five quarterback in the National Football League and
(30:18):
a top three quarterback, and some may even say a
top two quarterback. You're not better than the Mahomes Right now,
that's the case, but you could make an argument in
that case of what he's accomplished and what he's done.
So this point of now trying to put him to
a level that is really unreachable for anybody. Honestly, it
may even be unreachable for Patrick Mahomes, but who knows.
At least Holmes is trending towards that route. Now, it's
(30:40):
just really really unfair to Lamar.
Speaker 5 (30:42):
Yeah, I on the other side, which I said to you,
it is really nice that your coach feels like this
about you, right, But it was just it's I don't
think he knew the effect it was going to have.
Maybe he didn't realize how people were just going to
go straight to social media and start mentioning all of
these other quarterbacks playing now, some that have retired, that
have all these rings.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
I don't think he realized that. But that just shows
I mean, that's a nice side of it. He loves
his quarterback.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
There is something that is wired in the Harbaugh family.
There's this little switch that just sometimes gets tricked and
you never know what's going to happen. And I think
that's what happened with John Harbaugh. I just I don't
know how that can be planned. How can that be
your message of this of this preach, in this vision.
I just don't. I just don't know how. I don't
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know how that works. I mean, it's the start of
training camp. You're talking about your team. If we were
actually having the discussion as he's whether he's the league's
MVP or not, that is more of a discussion fit
for that time than just the start of training camp
and talking about Lamar Jackson, who again did his darndest
hold on the football at the one yard lines. Flowers
do that? Yeah, Defense, get a stop. Get Patrick Mahomes
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off the field, all right, cheez Mantzi Bellaanios, I'm Dan Byer.
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Speaker 7 (33:32):
All right, Dana Monse, today's game is big deal, little deal,
no deal, and we got some news coming in, so
I'm gonna throw this at you right now. Big deal,
little deal, no deal. That TNT says that it is
exercising its matching rights on the NBA's new TV deal,
so they are looking to keep their NBA rights.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Yay, big deal, a huge, a huge deal.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Yay.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
That's awesome.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
Nobody wanted to say goodbye to NBA on TNT.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Nobody was ready for that.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
The here's the funny thing about it, though, Inside the
NBA has what half hour pregame show the two halftimes
and about forty five minutes to an hour of a
postgame show on a Thursday. Because Chuck and Shaq and
Kenny aren't doing the Tuesday show. Neither is Ernie, So
that's where you get the mix shack sometimes is but
(34:25):
you got left Co and Kandas Parker and Jamal Crawford
and others in and out. Yeah, but they're saving it,
yeah for that two hours of programming basically.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
A week, because that's how good it is.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
That's crazy, that is crazy, but that's how good it is.
Speaker 7 (34:40):
Big deal, little deal or no deal that Lebron James
will be the male flag bearer for the US Olympic
team during the opening ceremonies this week.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
I think that this is I think it's a big
deal and not in a good way.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Okay, yeah, yeah, into that.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
We had a conversation on you know, Caitlin Clark, who's
on the US women's national team, should she be on?
And people are like, well, I'm not going to watch
then if she's not on. I think about Lebron James
and all he's accomplished in his career and Olympic greatness.
While it may be one of them, he's accomplished a lot.
There is one other male athlete in a sport that
(35:22):
maybe isn't as noticeable, Like the reason why he's done
it is, Hey, let's tune in and we can see
Lebron James wave the American flag during the ceremonies. So
they're going to be on boats by the way. Oh
and it's I just think it. I think it should
go to someone else who's maybe in a sport that
isn't as popular.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Yeah, you know, one hundred, Lebron. You don't need to
do this. You don't need this to add to your list.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Similar if it was Steph Curry, if it was Anthony Davis,
it was anybody on the on the men's basketball.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
Give it to some like someone like you just said
that it's participating in the Olympics and doesn't play year
round the sport professionally that we see all day every day.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Yes, yeah, that's why I don't care.
Speaker 7 (36:03):
By the way, just to follow up on the T
n T thing, they're matching the Amazon bids. So now
it kind of goes back to the NBA, and you
think the NBA would be hard press to pick a
new partner over an existing one, especially with everyone wanting
to keep T and T around.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
We do you want to get one Amazon? Amazon a
five D.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
And t Oh, that's his auctioning accent.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
What do you think? No, that's actual auction here here
what Amazon five? You gotta do it? That's t waying.
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