February 28, 2025 • 36 mins
Dan and Aaron filling in for Doug as they react to Matthew Stafford agreeing to stay in L.A. with the Rams with a new contract. Mark Dominik joins the guys to talk about Matthew Stafford, Aaron Rodgers and all of the major headlines around the NFL. Plus, Isaac Lowenkron takes Dan and Aaron through a game of I Got Dibbs.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
As Aaron, I don't know how much you are addicted
to TikTok like a I am. But in my algorithm
are those videos where someone starts the domino and it
goes through this room, then it goes through that room,
and then it spirals around the staircase and goes downstairs
and goes outside into the backyard, and then finally goes
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on to the diving board of.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
The swimming pool and into the swimming pool.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
That's what I feel like. The dominoes are starting to
fall into the NFL for just what we've had this morning.
When it comes to the quarterback carousel in this league, well,
you see how quickly things change.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
You and I were talking a few hours before the
show with Jay stew and we're like, uh, is Stafford
really going to be a raider? This was a week
or so ago after you and I were on talking
about Stafford being a giant, but he was a raider
as of you know, eight nine Pacific this morning in
our heads, and I know that's going to lead to
the conversation that we have now. I don't want to
spoil what you're gonna set up, but it's just quickly how.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
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I'm not shocked, but I am surprised, but I kind
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of feel I shouldn't be surprised. And the reason that
I say that, Aaron is this felt weird from the
get go. I felt that the RAMS wanted to let
Matthew Stafford go out and test the market and say, fine,
go see what you can get, and then maybe we
can get something that we'd never dreamed that we could
get for Matthew Stafford from another team. So they allowed
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Stafford to go and see what else was out there
so much so that we've had two NFL insiders fight
on reporting over the situation.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Not online, they literally tried to fight.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
We had a report last night from the Las Vegas
Review Journal that said Matthew Stafford and the Raiders have
at least agreed on common ground on or reached to
common ground on a contract, so then it would be
up to what the Rams would want in return for Stafford.
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But then the news breaks this morning, and I don't
think it's any coincidence that Stafford ends up going back
to the Los Angeles Rams. We don't have the whole
details on the current contract and the numbers that he's
going to get. It may seem much ado about nothing,
but it sure seems that at least in this specific situation,
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we'll get to the Dominoes in a second. Stafford got
a peak, Rams got a peak, and then they just
realized life was better together than the opposite.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
That was why I never fully understood, like why this
was even a story. Now, I think from my perspective,
somebody actually asked me this in a random radio interview
this morning. They were like, why would the Rams not
want matt Stafford? I said, well, it's a fair question.
But to me, the part that never actually made sense
was why would matt Stafford? Why would Matthew Stafford want
to leave Los Angeles? I mean, I understand everybody wants
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to get the most dollar value that you can out
of your probably what's not probably what is going to
be your final big contract. But the counter to that
is he took a He had a lot of bad moments,
if you will, for lack of a better term, with
the Detroit Lions. I mean a lot of losses, a
lot of hits, a lot of you know, coaching a
lot of chaos is probably the best way to put
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it on the field, off the field, et cetera. So
I never understood why he was in such a rush
to go to what would be an obviously inferior situation
with the money that he has already made. So I
don't know that I'm really that surprised, But where it
never really made sense to me. I could understand the
Rams saying, hey, this is the budget, this is what
we got. We can't go over, and the Rams almost
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being like an old school Belichick, will move off a
year or too early because we're confident in what we're
building and what we have built before. It never made
sense from Stafford's perspective. So that's why I don't think
I was ultimately all that surprised when the news broke
here about an hour.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I do think that it was about respect. And I
know that the forty million dollar price tag was brought
up and Chase Daniel at comments and we had talked
about it on Doug Show earlier this week, and so
some people had, you know, this reaction of man, Matthew
Stafford's just willing to throw away forty million dollars. Others
are saying, Matthew Stafford's made this much in his career,
why should it be about money? And I just felt
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if we are talking about respect, that's where the dollar
amount comes. Not for the fact of the matter that
Matthew Stafford deserves fifty million above forty million. It's just
where you're putting that echelon of quarterbacks when it comes
to their salary and in their rankings, and he would
have at the bottom end of it. Again, we don't
know the official numbers that he gets from the RAMS.
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But now what I find so interesting are those dominoes
because now Aaron Rodgers has come to a point in
his career where not only is he not the big
ticket item, he's actually used as a ploy in the situation.
And that is what is so shocking. When we felt
that Aaron Rodgers was the quarterback that the Jets wanted,
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other teams would have wanted when he wanted out of
Green Bay, Aaron Rodgers was the apple of the eye
of so many And now it comes down to a
point where Rogers connected to the Rams. If Stafford were
to go elsewhere, well, in the end, the Rams just
decided to keep their own guy. And it sure seems
that it was a part of their leverage in trying
to bring Matthew Stafford back and saying We're not going
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to give up the entire farm to bring you back
because we have a plan. B. It sure feels like
Aaron Rodgers was a ploy in some of this.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Let me ask you a question. I mean, if matth
Stafford had just gone to the highest bidder, Raiders, Giants, whatever,
do you believe Aaron Rodgers was actually going like week one,
running out of the tunnel with the horn on the
side of the helmet or was it always a ploy
and they would have gone with either a you know,
somebody cheaper or somebody younger than Aaron.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I think it could have been an option. But the
reason why I think it's more of a ploy than
anything is the report that we had last night from
the Las Vegas Review Journal and saying that listen, Stafford's
agreed to a contract, so or at least they've got
the terms, I should say that they want to go.
As far as they've agreed to a contract, they would
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have the terms of a future contract worked out, and
then twelve hours later a deal is struck for him
to go back to the RAMS. That to me is
just I would sit there and if I was if
I was the Rams, I'd want to know what the
compensation would be. I'd maybe want to try to figure
it out here, how is this going to work out?
But instead, guess what Matthew said, Effort did find another suitor,
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He did find another place to go that he wanted
to go and would be willing to go. In essence,
Stafford called their bluff and they fold him. They said
all right, we'll bring you back at this price. And
that's that's why I think that Rogers was the ploy,
because Stafford, by having that report come out, by the
Raiders that he agreed to something which I would assume
came from Stafford's camp, that that's why Rogers was used
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as a ploy in it. I have no doubt that
Rodgers would have been considered for the Rams. I also
think Sam Darnold would have been considered and others would
have been considered. But for it to turn around so
quickly and have Stafford be back as the Rams quarterback,
to me, makes Aaron Rodgers just look as a as
a pawn in all of this.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
No, I agree, I agree, And I'll ford the conversation
by asking you a simple question. What do you make
of the report by Diana Rossini shortly after the Matthew
Stafford extension was you know, reported that now the Giants
have actually moved on to potentially a landing spot for
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
I think it's interesting. I don't think it's shocking because
when you looked at the spots around the league, there's
only so many quarterbacking spots and Jason Stewart remembered and
I don't recall this. I don't know if you recall this,
and we talked about it prior to the show, but
our executive producer, You remember Aaron Rodgers using certain sort
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of language when he was talking about, let's just say
not necessarily the Jets in that way. Is that correct?
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Yeah, I looked for soundbites, but I remember in the
latter part of the season, whenever Aaron was asked about
after this season, he was always careful to not mention
the Jets, but he would say stuff like I really
like my apartment, I don't want to leave New York
like things that really did not specify the Jets at all.
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And I remember thinking back then, so that means he's
leaving the Giants on the table.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
You know, I thought I thought that Giant's could be
a possibility Aaron, for the fact that the points that
Jason just made, But also I feel they're a marquee
team being there, the New York Giants, just like I
felt that the Raiders were a marque team and I
guess the Rams. In that essence, Rogers isn't gonna go
play for the Titans. I mean, whether they're the first
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overall pick, whatever, that's just that's not going to happen.
So this would fit into his brand. But I also
felt in a way that the Giants were so far
away from winning that maybe Rogers wouldn't be interested in
doing something like that, especially considering the comments that were
made last week when he said I wanted to go
to a you know, wanted to go to a good team.
The Giants aren't a good team right now. They have
a couple of good players, but they aren't a good
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team right now. So I'm surprised by that aspect that
the Giants would be in play from just the comments
that he made a week ago.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
So then let me ask another follow up. I feel
like I'm grilling you, like you're at the combine, and.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Do you feel like do you feel like the Giants
are a legitimate fit? Do you feel I don't feel
I don't.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
I wouldn't use the word fit. I mean I could
see a landing spot.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
No.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
And that's what I was gonna say, is that with Rogers,
what's so interesting is the guy is just it's just,
you know, he wants to keep playing, and we've talked
about all the off the field stuff. You know, he's
not married, he doesn't have kids. I don't know what
he would do with his free time. I mean, I
know he's got a lot of interest to say the
least in the off season. But it's one one thing
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to have a couple of weeks off in June, and
it's another week to not have a job. So I
just find that whole thing interesting. But what I also
find interesting is there's basically no market for this guy.
And I mean, you look at the Giants. It is
in a winning organization, as you said, and I just
look at it from one I don't really understand what
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it solves. I mean, we know that that the GM
and Brian Dable are in win now mode. Does Aaron
rodd Like, what is Aaron Rodgers ceiling with that team
and that division that makes you feel like you're going
to be able to keep your job? Because to me,
if I'm the Giants, I'd rather swing on one of
the young guys and then if they're even half decent,
say well listen, man, I mean you're gonna it's almost
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like the the Chicago Bears. So you just wasted a
year of you just wasted Shador Sanders first year by
bringing us back. Give us some time, we'll get it
figured out. As opposed to Aaron Rodgers, I mean, what
is really the ceiling? Because I texted you guys, this
when this news broke is say what you want about
the Jets. He had plenty of weapons and plenty of
talent around him with the Jets. So he's gonna go
to an inferior roster in the same city, same building, whatever,
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in a better division with the reigning Super Bowl champ.
Twice on your schedule with the Washington Commanders who played
in the NFC Championship Game. I just don't know what
the ceiling is with Aaron Rodgers. And I don't know
even if you hit that ceiling, is that enough to
keep your job if you're the coach in the GM,
because I don't think it is.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
There is a trend. I actually think it started with
the Ravens, where there was a time where John Harbaugh's
job was on the line when Joe Flacca was the quarterback.
They ended up inserting Lamar Jackson. The rest is history.
In John Harbaughs still the head coach. There wasn't there.
It's a now anti equated thought process. Let's bring in
a veteran he will help save our job. No, the
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way is for the young guy to be great under
your watch and continue forward. Matt Eberflus and the Chicago
Bears are the example of it not working out well
and real quick.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
If Matt Eberflus was even competent, they clearly wanted it
to work. If he was even competent, If he wasn't
embarrassing the Bears on national TV when you and I
were on on Thanksgiving like, they probably would have brought
him back. They just needed competency, And so I think
that's an important notice.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
But it's the point of wasting a year is not
like you felt like you've wasted a year with Caleb Williams.
The Giants Rogers angle is unique to me because I
look at the Giants again, not as a team that
is a winner, but as a team that is far
away from winning, but also a team that is completely
in the spotlight considering what happened a year ago when
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the Giants decided to stick with Daniel Jones. We've now
talked about it because of the greatness that Saquon Barkley
had with the Philadelphia Eagles, But if we do remember
in that Hard Knocks series of the Giants in the offseason,
Joe Shane did want to trade up and did call
Elliott Wolf of the Patriots for the third overall pick,
knowing that one and two were already set. Caleb was
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going one of the Bears and Jayden Daniels was going
to the Commanders, so maybe there's some flexibility. At three.
Joe Shane did make that call. Wolf says, it's not
going to happen, so let's go and find Daniel Jones
a weapon, and they got Malik Neighbors. But if there
was any team that wanted to fix their quarterback room
from last year, after the embarrassment that the Giants had,
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it would be the Giants. Sure, and by drafting should
Or Sanders or cam Ward, you would think we're building
for the future. But instead the Giants are saying, we'll
take a forty one year old Aaron Rodgers. That to
me is more of an indictment on should Or Sanders
and even cam Ward if the possibility if he were
to drop, and those two rookie quarterbacks that the Giants
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are willing to basically say, you know what, I know,
our jobs are on the line, but we're gonna just
maybe try to save another year by having this forty
one year old guy come in. The Giants are picking
three picks higher than they did last year. They are
at three right now, they have a legitimate shot they
could trade up. The Titans have said that they've received
calls if they wanted cam Ward they could trade up
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and get number one. Rogers interest with the Giants, to me,
isn't even about Rogers keeping his career on what happens
in the division. That angle is more of the indictment
on Shodoor, Sanders and cam Ward and just the type
of quarterbacks they are and how weak this draft is
when it comes to top level quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
So I agree with that. I still just I go
back to if Aaron Rodgers is your quarterback in the
New York Giants in the NFC East, and by the way,
we can make fun of Dallas, they probably will not
be as bad as they were last year. Dak Prescott
wasn't around for what seventy percent of the season, sixty
per six. So I guess one, I just go back to,
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there's really two variables, right is Let's say, first of all,
there's this Aaron Rodgers versus young guy. There are four
scenarios in that equation. Aaron Rodgers plays better than expected,
Aaron Rodgers is way worse than expected, young guy plays
better than expected, young guy plays worse than expected or
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you know, as good or better. Okay, and so I
look at it. If the young guy plays better than expected,
you keep your job. Obviously, young guy plays worse, you
get fired. If Aaron Rodgers plays as bad or worse,
you get fired. I'm not sure that Aaron Rodgers playing
at his absolute peak is enough for you to keep
your job. That's one, Like, what are we talking about
eight and nine? I mean, you're not going six to
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zero in that division. Okay, so you're talking about eight
and nine. But here's the other thing about the young
taking Aaron Rodgers. If even if you view next year
as better, and again we're working under this imp that
the GM and the coach are on a one year deal.
If you don't figure it out this year, you're not
gonna be back long term, even if Aaron Rodgers is
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good and you keep your job. Now you have a
forty two year old Aaron Rodgers next year, and you're
not in position to draft a quarterback again. So listen,
we're all we're talking in hypotheticals here. Aaron Rodgers is
not a New York Giant. For people that are tuning
in right now, saint that I miss something, but there
is a report out that he could be and that
he is now the top priority of the Giants, or
that he is a priority of the Giants, and I
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just sit there and say, the best case scenario is
that he's somehow way better in a tougher division than
we expect, and then you're not in a position to
take a quarterback next year. Doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Here's your final Domino and we're actually gonna get to
Mark Dominic former Buccaneers GM, and Mark's kind of been
all over some of this stuff so far in this offseason.
Adam Schefter, within the last twenty minutes has tweeted out
that the Raiders in not getting Stafford because he's going
back to the Rams, are interested in Russell Wilson, justin Field,
Sam Darnold, etc. Did not name Aaron Rodgers in That
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is interesting. That is I think it's a very interesting exclusion.
And in fact, Schefter sent out not one but two tweets.
There may have been an error in the first one
and in the correction wasn't made to include Aaron Rodgers,
So the Raiders may not be even in on Aaron
Rodgers at all, which would go against my thinking that
I thought that could be a landing spot.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
I thought that was the best spot from two.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah, he's Aeron Torres. I'm Dan Byer in for Doug Gottlieb, who,
by the way, win number four last night on the
Doug knocking off Detroit Mercy taking him out. Phoenix are
actually favored in the game three and a half and
they bring home a home victory despite Doug only having
eight available players. And again it just reiterates the fact.
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Now this is the second time Doug has won a
game and has not been on a show the next day.
So back in December when everybody said that he ducked
out after losing the Michigan Tech, that was not the case.
Not even showing up after wins, that's maybe his m O.
But trying to make it back to back wins this
weekend as they wrap up the regular season.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
I will say, you know, and I read the profile
he did in the Athletic. I know CBS had another
one yesterday, but I do think he's right. You know,
everybody just wants to swoop in with the thirty thousand
foot you know this guy that whatever bottom line is,
they are playing better basketball here late, so congrats to
him second winning four games.
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Byer in for Doug Gottlieb on those Friday NFL combine
is going on, and that's where former GM and the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers and now I'm just going to call
them NFL insider and host of the GM Shuffle Mark
Dominic joins the program. Congrats on the podcast deal. Mark.
First of all, I haven't spoken to you since it's launched,
so congratulations on that job. Well done.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
Yeah, I was expected to do a podcast, but it
works out really good. It's fun to share stories about
what's gone on the league, maybe what's happening in this league,
and then certainly looking at you know, building draft boards
and how that all happens. So I appreciate saying something's
been good to be honest, you two.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Balls, Yeah, yeah, it's it's you've always been good to
us and have done a great job. In fact, we've
mentioned your name over the last couple of weeks or
so because you were the first one. I thought that
was kind of connecting the dots that if Stafford doesn't
go back to LA, Aaron Rodgers could be a real possibility,
and it seemed to really pick up steam over these
last couple of days. But now we find out Stafford's
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back to LA. Was Rogers used as a ploy in
all of this by the Rams or how does it
settle out that staf Stafford ends up not going anywhere?
Speaker 6 (20:02):
So I think part of it is, you know, Matt
and Kelly Stafford are involved in this right and not
in a bad way. Obviously his husband wife, you know,
And I think for them that I don't think they
really wanted to leave LA, but they wanted to get
the number more in their favor. I don't think Aaron
Rodgers has ever used as a ploy. I think Aaron
Rodgers was a viable option for the Rams, and I
think it was very aware for the Rams to understand that,
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like for Matthew Stafford understand that. I think he's very
comfortable there. They're comfortable with matt They just wanted to
make sure it was a contract that they could engage
and handle and nothing that turns around and becomes a
hate to say it to the Dak Prescott fans, but
like the Dak Prescott contract which maybe starts to get underwater.
Certainly we see with Deshaun Watson and what that's done
to the Cleveland Browns. I think they were trying to
be careful in tread and I think they found the
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common ground. And now I think all eyes turned back
to Aaron Rodgers and where does he end up. But
I think that that was hopeful that they would get
it done. I was a little surprised, but I'm happy
for everybody can. Certainly Matt Stafford played great down the stretch.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Mark, let me ask you this. We were talking a
little bit about reports that the Giants could be a
landing spot for Aaron Rodgers and I asked Dan, this
is to me, if we all assume that the coach
and the GM are on the on the hot seat
going into this year, you need to win, doesn't like
doesn't a young quarterback give you that better opportunity? Because
Aaron Rodgers, I just I don't know in a best
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case scenario what his ceiling is in that division with
Washington and Philly. But the counter to that is, even
if he has wild success, now you're not in a position
to draft a quarterback next year. And so I would
think that you know, you draft whoever is available to
you at number three, and maybe maybe the assumption is
they're not positive somebody would be there at number three.
But I don't really understand going the forty two year
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forty one going on forty two year old guy at
this point in his career as the thing to hypothetically
save your job if you're the Giants.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
So here's the way I look at that. And I
don't disagree with what you're saying conceptually, because obviously, if
he does do well, you're now you're not in a position.
I think this draft got has guys that you could
not get him at three and turn around, maybe trade
up and pick up a quarterback still in the bottom
of the first round, and maybe there's one of the
other guys you like. Because here's the thing you're feeling
right now, is it still feels like cam Ward's going
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to go number one. And as you know, and as
we will watch the tea leagues will be read right
in the next two weeks, we'll know if cam Ward's
going number one or not, because we'll see if the
text or the Titans do anything at quarterback besides Will Levis,
if they don't make a move with a veteran quarterback,
they're telling you to draft and cam Moordon fact number two.
And I'm sure this is what the Giants are thinking,
is cam Ward one. How does the Cleveland Browns not
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take a quarterback? I just I don't know how they
have to if there's any way to get out of
the mess that they're in. Who are they going to
play next year at quarterback? And how do they can't
just assume that Deshaun Watson is going to be obviously
there at all with the Achilles rupture. So I think
what the Giants are saying is, I don't know how
it doesn't go quarterback? Quarterback and I agree, And Miles Garrett,
you know, by not being traded, it means a duel Carter. Yeah,
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you could take him, but the reality is, I just
think that they're very scared. It's gonna go QB one,
QB two, and now you get the Giants city in
their three. So now what do we do and start
really preparing for Jalen Milroe Jackson, you know, dart Or
or maybe twenty years.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Former Buccaneers GM Mark Dominic joining us here as he
does every Friday on the Doug Gottlieb Show Live from
the NFL Combine. He's Aaron Torres. I'm Dan Byer in
for Doug on Rogers. Is is he a I don't
want to say, is he a fit for everyone? Is?
Because I just saw Adam Schefter put out a tweet
about the Raiders with no mention of Rogers name the Steelers,
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you know, also possibly looking for a quarterback can can Rogers?
Does Rogers have as many options as say Sam Donald
or a Russell Wilson or Justin Fields.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
Well that's so I think the Sam Donald one becomes
the one. That's really interesting because you know, you're not
getting any attachment anywhere with Sam Donald right now that
I'm feeling here at the Indianapolis at the combine of
where that might go or where that might be. Uh,
you know, I I don't disagree you're not hearing Rodgers
in the Raiders, but it doesn't mean you won't hear
Rodgers at the Raiders. I think that, you know, that
just kind of comes down to, you know, trying to
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get this thing all together. I feel like Rogers has
a little bit more opportunity just because I think what
Sam Darnold did. People are still going to hold their
breath a little bit when you sign them. Yes, you
hold your breath on Aaron Rodgers as well, but you've
seen him do it all the way. You've seen him
put season after season together. And I know it's been
two horrible years of the jest, but it did play
better down the stretch. And I think if you're a
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team that's looking for a quarterback to get you between again,
the Raiders are at a tough spot because six and
six and so I think all these clubs are like,
how do I win next year? But what culture do
I want to set? It's going to be interesting to
see how it plays with you know, when you've got
coach Carroll there. I think you could find commonality. But
you know, it feels like like you guys are saying
the Giants feel like, you know, they're certainly different. Their
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tone into Aaron Rodgers water right now, Mark, I know you.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
You just put out a scenario where Shoudre Sanders or
Cam Wore for that matter, goes to to the Cleveland Browns.
Basically we go quarterback one quarterback too. But obviously depending
on what which evaluator you talk to, some people think
Shadoor Sanders could go really high. Some people don't have
a first round grade on him. I don't know how
much tape you've got a chance to watch, but just
curious your perspective on the prospect he not only is,
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but who he could be as well.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
Yeah, so I have yet to meet somebody who doesn't
think he's a first round talent. So I haven't run
in that person yet. It doesn't mean there are people
out there that might be very harsh on him. I
think it's a that'd be really critical to look at
you or Sanders. I think you might have because you
have to respect, you know what, some of the stuff
that he's been able to put on tape from an
athletics standpoint, from a throwing standpoint, and yet I know
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he took a lot of sacks and those things that
could also be the offensive line and things like that
or what they asking them, those can all be debated.
That the problem you have is, as you know, if
you don't have a quarterback, you don't have a chance.
And you know both when you look at what's going
on as the Jets, or excuse me with the Giants
and what we're looking at it with the Cleveland Browns
is they both both coach and GM know that they're
on very shaky ground and they've got to find the guy.
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And I think the Giants are scared. And I think,
you know, I think everybody pretty much has a cam
Ward one should or two in terms of their quarterback board.
Uh you know, so I think, you know, for the Titans,
I think that they've probably already making up their minds
that they're going to go that direction for you know,
the Cleveland Browns and steel Shauduur. But I feel like
he's the first round talent and it's worth a shot.
From everything, I haven't spent a lot of time with
(26:15):
Shuer at all, but from what I've heard from the
interviews here, he's doing a really good job.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Let me ask you just a quick follow up on Shador.
I mean, obviously there's a lot of noise with with
you know, his dad. Basically there's a mic in front
of his dad twenty four hours a day, and that's
not anybody's fault, it's just a reality. But there was
talk throughout this process, probably up until the last couple
of weeks, of well there's just certain spots that Shador
and frankly Travis Hunter too, but but really Shoudre, well,
(26:40):
he's just not going to go there. Is there any
of that actual buzz now that we're here, like he
wouldn't play here, he wouldn't play there, or was that
just you know, Dion kind of just talking into a mic,
you know, a year ago, six months ago, two months ago, whatever.
Speaker 6 (26:54):
No, I think there's a couple I think there's a
couple of spots that I don't think that he would
deal with it. He won't play there, he won't go there.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (27:01):
And I think you can probably start as you start
to look around the league and you hear about different
things that are going on with owners or ownership but
mainly owners I think you can start to eliminate one
or two clubs. If I would sit there and say
Deng has enough power to be able to do that
and say he's not going to go to your club,
I don't think he would ever say it out loud,
but you know that's I can understand where there's a
(27:23):
couple of clubs. Even I would say, yeah, if I
had my brothers, I wouldn't want him to be at
that organization. And I know that Dean probably can see
the same thing I would.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Now we go to the ownership report card. Now I
was just gonna say, Dominic is implying he's Aaron Dorres,
I'm Dan Bayer. What about the other Colorado start Travis Hunter.
If you're a GM, are you playing him both ways?
Day one in the National Football League?
Speaker 6 (27:45):
He's playing really defense. For me, I'm putting out a corner.
I'm drafting as a corner out a corner, and then
I might have some a player too that might you know,
obviously Hail Mary's and anything like that. We're certainly going
to get Travis in the game, but I think you've
got to be careful. He does not have the biggest right, guys.
I mean, he's not the thicknest of kids, and so
you know, you try to play in both ways. I
just don't know if the way this game's played now
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in twenty twenty five and the speed and the power,
I think it's just too much of a toll to
play a guy both ways. So I think you got
to pick a side and then you pick a package,
like you might have a couple of packages for him,
but you know you really wanted to run go route
on third down and be back on the field trying
to cover a go route on first down. That's a
really hard thing to do in the National Football League.
Is it is good shape if you guys are in,
it's more that we will their body hold up and
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that's a bigger concern.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Only other one for me, Mark. I mean, I know
it's early in the week there, but has anybody you
know from a personality wise or press conference or buzz
I mean, is there anybody that's really just stood out?
It doesn't have to be a quarterback as far as
personality or you know what you're hearing, anything interesting, any
interesting buzzer intel.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
Well, you know, it might not be the players that
are working out, but it's always fun to night. It
will be the big night of like really get a
sense of a little bit more of what's going on
in free agency, trying to put the map together on
some of these places that may end up with you know,
new names or new spots or what market going for.
You know, the trade Smith was a big buzz in
terms of him getting locked up or locked down. I
think by the Kent City Chiefs. That was a lot
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of buzz last night or in the last couple of
days just because of you know, he took the number
one guard out of the market so far. And you know,
whether they trade him or not, I don't think they will.
I think they'll try to get a deal done. But
I think they got here and found out that there
was a huge market for Tray Smith and they weren't
ready to deal with it. So the best thing you
could do is put that tag on it. I don't
know if there's another player like that, but I have
a feeling. You know, the numbers are going these guys
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are you know, the Caps jump in twenty plus million dollars.
There's a lot of fun free agent meetings that are
going to be had over the next twenty four hours.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Mark, enjoy the weekend in Indianapolis and we'll talk to
you next Friday. Thanks so much and thanks Dan.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
See you guys.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Mark Dominic, former GM on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and
again now host of a new podcast called The GM Shuffle.
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Studios Green Bay and Doug getting win number four last night,
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Jason Stewart against Oakland? Yeah, It's either Saturday or Sunday,
and then their first round conference playoff game comes up
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begins on Tuesday. Speaking of games, aeron Torres, It's time
to play one with Isaac Low and Gron.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
All right, Isaac, what have we got today?
Speaker 7 (30:42):
Perhaps in honor of former Major League closer and Fox
Sports radio host Rob.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
Dibble, I got dibbs.
Speaker 7 (30:50):
All right, Gang, we're gonna start in the NFL because
of what's happening, favorite relievers, Alejandro pa because of what
has happened in the last well really an hour and
a half. Who do you have DIBs on available veteran
NFL quarterbacks for next season? With Matthew Stafford now off
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the board.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
I'll be unpopular.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Sorry, no, I was gonna say, I don't know if
anybody's gonna be jumping in, but you sound like you were.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
I was gonna say, I'll be unpopular. Given the circle
the given who's available, I'd probably still go Aaron Rodgers.
I really would, and I think the team matters, and
I don't want to crap on anybody else calling DIBs
on anybody else, But I still think the ceiling of
guys available, I would still bet on that, as opposed
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to the ceiling of whoever else is available, plus the
floor of a couple people. I'm not gonna name names,
but maybe he started for the Minnesota Vikings this year,
so I will still take Aaron Rodgers. Believe it or not.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
I got Jameis Winston, whoa we'll go off the board.
I'm not intrigued by anybody else. I'm not saying that
Jamis is going to be your savior. He was a
guy that I wrote off. But there was at least
a little something that they had in Cleveland this year.
I'll take Jameis Winston fascinating.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
I got Sam Darnold, not because I love it, but
I think it's one of the remaining quarterbacks and he's okay,
that's it.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I got DIBs on Russell Wilson.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
It's a very unenthusiastic dibbs.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
So I'm still reeling from Isaac Loewen Krohn's deep pull
about two minutes ago. Unbelievable. Oh, he was one of
my favorite people.
Speaker 7 (32:38):
Came a clutch so many times for the Atlanta Braves
down the stretch. In ninety one, he was the winning
pitcher in the Kirk Gibson home run Game. By the way.
So from the NFL to a brief stint with Major
League Baseball closures of yesteryear, and now to the NBA.
Who you got DIBs on Western Conference contenders?
Speaker 2 (32:58):
I got TIBs on Oaklahreahoma City home court. I think
plays a part in all of this, I just am
not a huge believer in everybody else, and that includes
the Denver Nuggets. Think. I just I know they won
a title two years ago, but I just am not
sold on them in a in a real run. I
don't know if it's last year's Timberwolves or just what
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I thought about them during their run. They lost to
the Bucks last night almost by default. I'll just take
Oklahoma City because they're at the top.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
I got DIBs on the Nuggets. I know everybody's super
excited about, you know, the Lakers. They're unbelievable. They made
the Western Conference Finals two years ago. People are acting
like we've never seen the Lakers play well in the
last fifteen years. They've been good, don't Luca. For all
his strengths, there's a lot of weaknesses defensively, rim protection,
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things of that nature. I just, I mean, you can
argue they might not have to play Denver, But I'm
just not as excited about the Lakers as everybody else.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
I got the Lakers, if not for anything else, to
be the second straight subject that Aaron crapped on before
I took it. I know.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
I'm so sorry.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
I will say this everybody says. Everyone said after the trade,
this team doesn't play defense. They can't win a championship
because they don't play defense. But I saw this stat recently.
Over the last twenty games, they're the best defensive team
in the NBA. Now, I know a lot of those
were Anthony Davis games, but that also includes the last
three or four.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
So there you go. Sam, you want Inny, you gotta pass.
I'll pass no part.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Of this all right?
Speaker 7 (34:34):
Final item.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
I was waiting for this.
Speaker 7 (34:36):
A tribute to the late great Jean Hackman Gene Hackman
movie roles, what do you got DIBs on?
Speaker 4 (34:46):
People?
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Norman Dale, Hoosiers coach Norman Dale. That's who I'm taking.
I put up my did you see my Hoosiers video?
I went to all the Hoosiers sites five years ago
it was filmed, and I didn't want to be the
person who had a picture with Gene Hackman. I don't.
But then when the person dies and they're like, here
was me with him in nineteen ninety eight, I wanted
(35:08):
to tie something into Hoosiers and I just felt like
our video driving into Hickory, where Norman Dale drives into
the tom was fitting. You can see it on Buyer
Talk or at dan Byer on Fox Ye also on
Blue Sky on Blue Sky as well at dan Byer.
I got DIBs on Senator Kevin Keeley. He plays Senator
Kevin Keeley in The Bird Cage, which I think is
(35:28):
a hysterical movie. Well a head, it's time Nathan Laiden,
Robin Williams. The Bird Cage. Great movie, very funny. I
got DIBs on Popeye Doyle. Now this was the character
and in the French connection. And a shout out to
my uncle Kevin who waited on it yesterday. The movie
is remarkable for the time and has stood the test
of time. Arguably Hackman's greatest role. And I can't disagree.
(35:52):
And you could pass, Aaron. If you want to pass,
I'll pass. He's going to pass. And that's game time.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
As Aaron, I don't know how much you are addicted
to TikTok like a I am. But in my algorithm
are those videos where someone starts the domino and it
goes through this room, then it goes through that room,
and then it spirals around the staircase and goes downstairs
and goes outside into the backyard, and then finally goes
(00:37):
on to the diving board of.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
The swimming pool and into the swimming pool.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
That's what I feel like. The dominoes are starting to
fall into the NFL for just what we've had this morning.
When it comes to the quarterback carousel in this league, well,
you see how quickly things change.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
You and I were talking a few hours before the
show with Jay stew and we're like, uh, is Stafford
really going to be a raider? This was a week
or so ago after you and I were on talking
about Stafford being a giant, but he was a raider
as of you know, eight nine Pacific this morning in
our heads, and I know that's going to lead to
the conversation that we have now. I don't want to
spoil what you're gonna set up, but it's just quickly how.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
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I'm not shocked, but I am surprised, but I kind
(01:35):
of feel I shouldn't be surprised. And the reason that
I say that, Aaron is this felt weird from the
get go. I felt that the RAMS wanted to let
Matthew Stafford go out and test the market and say, fine,
go see what you can get, and then maybe we
can get something that we'd never dreamed that we could
get for Matthew Stafford from another team. So they allowed
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Stafford to go and see what else was out there
so much so that we've had two NFL insiders fight
on reporting over the situation.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Not online, they literally tried to fight.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
We had a report last night from the Las Vegas
Review Journal that said Matthew Stafford and the Raiders have
at least agreed on common ground on or reached to
common ground on a contract, so then it would be
up to what the Rams would want in return for Stafford.
(02:30):
But then the news breaks this morning, and I don't
think it's any coincidence that Stafford ends up going back
to the Los Angeles Rams. We don't have the whole
details on the current contract and the numbers that he's
going to get. It may seem much ado about nothing,
but it sure seems that at least in this specific situation,
(02:51):
we'll get to the Dominoes in a second. Stafford got
a peak, Rams got a peak, and then they just
realized life was better together than the opposite.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
That was why I never fully understood, like why this
was even a story. Now, I think from my perspective,
somebody actually asked me this in a random radio interview
this morning. They were like, why would the Rams not
want matt Stafford? I said, well, it's a fair question.
But to me, the part that never actually made sense
was why would matt Stafford? Why would Matthew Stafford want
to leave Los Angeles? I mean, I understand everybody wants
(03:24):
to get the most dollar value that you can out
of your probably what's not probably what is going to
be your final big contract. But the counter to that
is he took a He had a lot of bad moments,
if you will, for lack of a better term, with
the Detroit Lions. I mean a lot of losses, a
lot of hits, a lot of you know, coaching a
lot of chaos is probably the best way to put
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it on the field, off the field, et cetera. So
I never understood why he was in such a rush
to go to what would be an obviously inferior situation
with the money that he has already made. So I
don't know that I'm really that surprised, But where it
never really made sense to me. I could understand the
Rams saying, hey, this is the budget, this is what
we got. We can't go over, and the Rams almost
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being like an old school Belichick, will move off a
year or too early because we're confident in what we're
building and what we have built before. It never made
sense from Stafford's perspective. So that's why I don't think
I was ultimately all that surprised when the news broke
here about an hour.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I do think that it was about respect. And I
know that the forty million dollar price tag was brought
up and Chase Daniel at comments and we had talked
about it on Doug Show earlier this week, and so
some people had, you know, this reaction of man, Matthew
Stafford's just willing to throw away forty million dollars. Others
are saying, Matthew Stafford's made this much in his career,
why should it be about money? And I just felt
(04:42):
if we are talking about respect, that's where the dollar
amount comes. Not for the fact of the matter that
Matthew Stafford deserves fifty million above forty million. It's just
where you're putting that echelon of quarterbacks when it comes
to their salary and in their rankings, and he would
have at the bottom end of it. Again, we don't
know the official numbers that he gets from the RAMS.
(05:04):
But now what I find so interesting are those dominoes
because now Aaron Rodgers has come to a point in
his career where not only is he not the big
ticket item, he's actually used as a ploy in the situation.
And that is what is so shocking. When we felt
that Aaron Rodgers was the quarterback that the Jets wanted,
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other teams would have wanted when he wanted out of
Green Bay, Aaron Rodgers was the apple of the eye
of so many And now it comes down to a
point where Rogers connected to the Rams. If Stafford were
to go elsewhere, well, in the end, the Rams just
decided to keep their own guy. And it sure seems
that it was a part of their leverage in trying
to bring Matthew Stafford back and saying We're not going
(05:50):
to give up the entire farm to bring you back
because we have a plan. B. It sure feels like
Aaron Rodgers was a ploy in some of this.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Let me ask you a question. I mean, if matth
Stafford had just gone to the highest bidder, Raiders, Giants, whatever,
do you believe Aaron Rodgers was actually going like week one,
running out of the tunnel with the horn on the
side of the helmet or was it always a ploy
and they would have gone with either a you know,
somebody cheaper or somebody younger than Aaron.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I think it could have been an option. But the
reason why I think it's more of a ploy than
anything is the report that we had last night from
the Las Vegas Review Journal and saying that listen, Stafford's
agreed to a contract, so or at least they've got
the terms, I should say that they want to go.
As far as they've agreed to a contract, they would
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have the terms of a future contract worked out, and
then twelve hours later a deal is struck for him
to go back to the RAMS. That to me is
just I would sit there and if I was if
I was the Rams, I'd want to know what the
compensation would be. I'd maybe want to try to figure
it out here, how is this going to work out?
But instead, guess what Matthew said, Effort did find another suitor,
(07:01):
He did find another place to go that he wanted
to go and would be willing to go. In essence,
Stafford called their bluff and they fold him. They said
all right, we'll bring you back at this price. And
that's that's why I think that Rogers was the ploy,
because Stafford, by having that report come out, by the
Raiders that he agreed to something which I would assume
came from Stafford's camp, that that's why Rogers was used
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as a ploy in it. I have no doubt that
Rodgers would have been considered for the Rams. I also
think Sam Darnold would have been considered and others would
have been considered. But for it to turn around so
quickly and have Stafford be back as the Rams quarterback,
to me, makes Aaron Rodgers just look as a as
a pawn in all of this.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
No, I agree, I agree, And I'll ford the conversation
by asking you a simple question. What do you make
of the report by Diana Rossini shortly after the Matthew
Stafford extension was you know, reported that now the Giants
have actually moved on to potentially a landing spot for
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
I think it's interesting. I don't think it's shocking because
when you looked at the spots around the league, there's
only so many quarterbacking spots and Jason Stewart remembered and
I don't recall this. I don't know if you recall this,
and we talked about it prior to the show, but
our executive producer, You remember Aaron Rodgers using certain sort
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of language when he was talking about, let's just say
not necessarily the Jets in that way. Is that correct?
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Yeah, I looked for soundbites, but I remember in the
latter part of the season, whenever Aaron was asked about
after this season, he was always careful to not mention
the Jets, but he would say stuff like I really
like my apartment, I don't want to leave New York
like things that really did not specify the Jets at all.
(08:49):
And I remember thinking back then, so that means he's
leaving the Giants on the table.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
You know, I thought I thought that Giant's could be
a possibility Aaron, for the fact that the points that
Jason just made, But also I feel they're a marquee
team being there, the New York Giants, just like I
felt that the Raiders were a marque team and I
guess the Rams. In that essence, Rogers isn't gonna go
play for the Titans. I mean, whether they're the first
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overall pick, whatever, that's just that's not going to happen.
So this would fit into his brand. But I also
felt in a way that the Giants were so far
away from winning that maybe Rogers wouldn't be interested in
doing something like that, especially considering the comments that were
made last week when he said I wanted to go
to a you know, wanted to go to a good team.
The Giants aren't a good team right now. They have
a couple of good players, but they aren't a good
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team right now. So I'm surprised by that aspect that
the Giants would be in play from just the comments
that he made a week ago.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
So then let me ask another follow up. I feel
like I'm grilling you, like you're at the combine, and.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Do you feel like do you feel like the Giants
are a legitimate fit? Do you feel I don't feel
I don't.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
I wouldn't use the word fit. I mean I could
see a landing spot.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
No.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
And that's what I was gonna say, is that with Rogers,
what's so interesting is the guy is just it's just,
you know, he wants to keep playing, and we've talked
about all the off the field stuff. You know, he's
not married, he doesn't have kids. I don't know what
he would do with his free time. I mean, I
know he's got a lot of interest to say the
least in the off season. But it's one one thing
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to have a couple of weeks off in June, and
it's another week to not have a job. So I
just find that whole thing interesting. But what I also
find interesting is there's basically no market for this guy.
And I mean, you look at the Giants. It is
in a winning organization, as you said, and I just
look at it from one I don't really understand what
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it solves. I mean, we know that that the GM
and Brian Dable are in win now mode. Does Aaron
rodd Like, what is Aaron Rodgers ceiling with that team
and that division that makes you feel like you're going
to be able to keep your job? Because to me,
if I'm the Giants, I'd rather swing on one of
the young guys and then if they're even half decent,
say well listen, man, I mean you're gonna it's almost
(11:02):
like the the Chicago Bears. So you just wasted a
year of you just wasted Shador Sanders first year by
bringing us back. Give us some time, we'll get it
figured out. As opposed to Aaron Rodgers, I mean, what
is really the ceiling? Because I texted you guys, this
when this news broke is say what you want about
the Jets. He had plenty of weapons and plenty of
talent around him with the Jets. So he's gonna go
to an inferior roster in the same city, same building, whatever,
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in a better division with the reigning Super Bowl champ.
Twice on your schedule with the Washington Commanders who played
in the NFC Championship Game. I just don't know what
the ceiling is with Aaron Rodgers. And I don't know
even if you hit that ceiling, is that enough to
keep your job if you're the coach in the GM,
because I don't think it is.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
There is a trend. I actually think it started with
the Ravens, where there was a time where John Harbaugh's
job was on the line when Joe Flacca was the quarterback.
They ended up inserting Lamar Jackson. The rest is history.
In John Harbaughs still the head coach. There wasn't there.
It's a now anti equated thought process. Let's bring in
a veteran he will help save our job. No, the
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way is for the young guy to be great under
your watch and continue forward. Matt Eberflus and the Chicago
Bears are the example of it not working out well
and real quick.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
If Matt Eberflus was even competent, they clearly wanted it
to work. If he was even competent, If he wasn't
embarrassing the Bears on national TV when you and I
were on on Thanksgiving like, they probably would have brought
him back. They just needed competency, And so I think
that's an important notice.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
But it's the point of wasting a year is not
like you felt like you've wasted a year with Caleb Williams.
The Giants Rogers angle is unique to me because I
look at the Giants again, not as a team that
is a winner, but as a team that is far
away from winning, but also a team that is completely
in the spotlight considering what happened a year ago when
(12:58):
the Giants decided to stick with Daniel Jones. We've now
talked about it because of the greatness that Saquon Barkley
had with the Philadelphia Eagles, But if we do remember
in that Hard Knocks series of the Giants in the offseason,
Joe Shane did want to trade up and did call
Elliott Wolf of the Patriots for the third overall pick,
knowing that one and two were already set. Caleb was
(13:18):
going one of the Bears and Jayden Daniels was going
to the Commanders, so maybe there's some flexibility. At three.
Joe Shane did make that call. Wolf says, it's not
going to happen, so let's go and find Daniel Jones
a weapon, and they got Malik Neighbors. But if there
was any team that wanted to fix their quarterback room
from last year, after the embarrassment that the Giants had,
(13:41):
it would be the Giants. Sure, and by drafting should
Or Sanders or cam Ward, you would think we're building
for the future. But instead the Giants are saying, we'll
take a forty one year old Aaron Rodgers. That to
me is more of an indictment on should Or Sanders
and even cam Ward if the possibility if he were
to drop, and those two rookie quarterbacks that the Giants
(14:03):
are willing to basically say, you know what, I know,
our jobs are on the line, but we're gonna just
maybe try to save another year by having this forty
one year old guy come in. The Giants are picking
three picks higher than they did last year. They are
at three right now, they have a legitimate shot they
could trade up. The Titans have said that they've received
calls if they wanted cam Ward they could trade up
(14:24):
and get number one. Rogers interest with the Giants, to me,
isn't even about Rogers keeping his career on what happens
in the division. That angle is more of the indictment
on Shodoor, Sanders and cam Ward and just the type
of quarterbacks they are and how weak this draft is
when it comes to top level quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
So I agree with that. I still just I go
back to if Aaron Rodgers is your quarterback in the
New York Giants in the NFC East, and by the way,
we can make fun of Dallas, they probably will not
be as bad as they were last year. Dak Prescott
wasn't around for what seventy percent of the season, sixty
per six. So I guess one, I just go back to,
(15:02):
there's really two variables, right is Let's say, first of all,
there's this Aaron Rodgers versus young guy. There are four
scenarios in that equation. Aaron Rodgers plays better than expected,
Aaron Rodgers is way worse than expected, young guy plays
better than expected, young guy plays worse than expected or
(15:25):
you know, as good or better. Okay, and so I
look at it. If the young guy plays better than expected,
you keep your job. Obviously, young guy plays worse, you
get fired. If Aaron Rodgers plays as bad or worse,
you get fired. I'm not sure that Aaron Rodgers playing
at his absolute peak is enough for you to keep
your job. That's one, Like, what are we talking about
eight and nine? I mean, you're not going six to
(15:46):
zero in that division. Okay, so you're talking about eight
and nine. But here's the other thing about the young
taking Aaron Rodgers. If even if you view next year
as better, and again we're working under this imp that
the GM and the coach are on a one year deal.
If you don't figure it out this year, you're not
gonna be back long term, even if Aaron Rodgers is
(16:09):
good and you keep your job. Now you have a
forty two year old Aaron Rodgers next year, and you're
not in position to draft a quarterback again. So listen,
we're all we're talking in hypotheticals here. Aaron Rodgers is
not a New York Giant. For people that are tuning
in right now, saint that I miss something, but there
is a report out that he could be and that
he is now the top priority of the Giants, or
that he is a priority of the Giants, and I
(16:30):
just sit there and say, the best case scenario is
that he's somehow way better in a tougher division than
we expect, and then you're not in a position to
take a quarterback next year. Doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Here's your final Domino and we're actually gonna get to
Mark Dominic former Buccaneers GM, and Mark's kind of been
all over some of this stuff so far in this offseason.
Adam Schefter, within the last twenty minutes has tweeted out
that the Raiders in not getting Stafford because he's going
back to the Rams, are interested in Russell Wilson, justin Field,
Sam Darnold, etc. Did not name Aaron Rodgers in That
(17:04):
is interesting. That is I think it's a very interesting exclusion.
And in fact, Schefter sent out not one but two tweets.
There may have been an error in the first one
and in the correction wasn't made to include Aaron Rodgers,
So the Raiders may not be even in on Aaron
Rodgers at all, which would go against my thinking that
I thought that could be a landing spot.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
I thought that was the best spot from two.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah, he's Aeron Torres. I'm Dan Byer in for Doug Gottlieb, who,
by the way, win number four last night on the
Doug knocking off Detroit Mercy taking him out. Phoenix are
actually favored in the game three and a half and
they bring home a home victory despite Doug only having
eight available players. And again it just reiterates the fact.
(17:48):
Now this is the second time Doug has won a
game and has not been on a show the next day.
So back in December when everybody said that he ducked
out after losing the Michigan Tech, that was not the case.
Not even showing up after wins, that's maybe his m O.
But trying to make it back to back wins this
weekend as they wrap up the regular season.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
I will say, you know, and I read the profile
he did in the Athletic. I know CBS had another
one yesterday, but I do think he's right. You know,
everybody just wants to swoop in with the thirty thousand
foot you know this guy that whatever bottom line is,
they are playing better basketball here late, so congrats to
him second winning four games.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
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(18:57):
Byer in for Doug Gottlieb on those Friday NFL combine
is going on, and that's where former GM and the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers and now I'm just going to call
them NFL insider and host of the GM Shuffle Mark
Dominic joins the program. Congrats on the podcast deal. Mark.
First of all, I haven't spoken to you since it's launched,
so congratulations on that job. Well done.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
Yeah, I was expected to do a podcast, but it
works out really good. It's fun to share stories about
what's gone on the league, maybe what's happening in this league,
and then certainly looking at you know, building draft boards
and how that all happens. So I appreciate saying something's
been good to be honest, you two.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Balls, Yeah, yeah, it's it's you've always been good to
us and have done a great job. In fact, we've
mentioned your name over the last couple of weeks or
so because you were the first one. I thought that
was kind of connecting the dots that if Stafford doesn't
go back to LA, Aaron Rodgers could be a real possibility,
and it seemed to really pick up steam over these
last couple of days. But now we find out Stafford's
(19:53):
back to LA. Was Rogers used as a ploy in
all of this by the Rams or how does it
settle out that staf Stafford ends up not going anywhere?
Speaker 6 (20:02):
So I think part of it is, you know, Matt
and Kelly Stafford are involved in this right and not
in a bad way. Obviously his husband wife, you know,
And I think for them that I don't think they
really wanted to leave LA, but they wanted to get
the number more in their favor. I don't think Aaron
Rodgers has ever used as a ploy. I think Aaron
Rodgers was a viable option for the Rams, and I
think it was very aware for the Rams to understand that,
(20:24):
like for Matthew Stafford understand that. I think he's very
comfortable there. They're comfortable with matt They just wanted to
make sure it was a contract that they could engage
and handle and nothing that turns around and becomes a
hate to say it to the Dak Prescott fans, but
like the Dak Prescott contract which maybe starts to get underwater.
Certainly we see with Deshaun Watson and what that's done
to the Cleveland Browns. I think they were trying to
be careful in tread and I think they found the
(20:45):
common ground. And now I think all eyes turned back
to Aaron Rodgers and where does he end up. But
I think that that was hopeful that they would get
it done. I was a little surprised, but I'm happy
for everybody can. Certainly Matt Stafford played great down the stretch.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Mark, let me ask you this. We were talking a
little bit about reports that the Giants could be a
landing spot for Aaron Rodgers and I asked Dan, this
is to me, if we all assume that the coach
and the GM are on the on the hot seat
going into this year, you need to win, doesn't like
doesn't a young quarterback give you that better opportunity? Because
Aaron Rodgers, I just I don't know in a best
(21:20):
case scenario what his ceiling is in that division with
Washington and Philly. But the counter to that is, even
if he has wild success, now you're not in a position
to draft a quarterback next year. And so I would
think that you know, you draft whoever is available to
you at number three, and maybe maybe the assumption is
they're not positive somebody would be there at number three.
But I don't really understand going the forty two year
(21:44):
forty one going on forty two year old guy at
this point in his career as the thing to hypothetically
save your job if you're the Giants.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
So here's the way I look at that. And I
don't disagree with what you're saying conceptually, because obviously, if
he does do well, you're now you're not in a position.
I think this draft got has guys that you could
not get him at three and turn around, maybe trade
up and pick up a quarterback still in the bottom
of the first round, and maybe there's one of the
other guys you like. Because here's the thing you're feeling
right now, is it still feels like cam Ward's going
(22:13):
to go number one. And as you know, and as
we will watch the tea leagues will be read right
in the next two weeks, we'll know if cam Ward's
going number one or not, because we'll see if the
text or the Titans do anything at quarterback besides Will Levis,
if they don't make a move with a veteran quarterback,
they're telling you to draft and cam Moordon fact number two.
And I'm sure this is what the Giants are thinking,
is cam Ward one. How does the Cleveland Browns not
(22:36):
take a quarterback? I just I don't know how they
have to if there's any way to get out of
the mess that they're in. Who are they going to
play next year at quarterback? And how do they can't
just assume that Deshaun Watson is going to be obviously
there at all with the Achilles rupture. So I think
what the Giants are saying is, I don't know how
it doesn't go quarterback? Quarterback and I agree, And Miles Garrett,
you know, by not being traded, it means a duel Carter. Yeah,
(22:57):
you could take him, but the reality is, I just
think that they're very scared. It's gonna go QB one,
QB two, and now you get the Giants city in
their three. So now what do we do and start
really preparing for Jalen Milroe Jackson, you know, dart Or
or maybe twenty years.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Former Buccaneers GM Mark Dominic joining us here as he
does every Friday on the Doug Gottlieb Show Live from
the NFL Combine. He's Aaron Torres. I'm Dan Byer in
for Doug on Rogers. Is is he a I don't
want to say, is he a fit for everyone? Is?
Because I just saw Adam Schefter put out a tweet
about the Raiders with no mention of Rogers name the Steelers,
(23:31):
you know, also possibly looking for a quarterback can can Rogers?
Does Rogers have as many options as say Sam Donald
or a Russell Wilson or Justin Fields.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
Well that's so I think the Sam Donald one becomes
the one. That's really interesting because you know, you're not
getting any attachment anywhere with Sam Donald right now that
I'm feeling here at the Indianapolis at the combine of
where that might go or where that might be. Uh,
you know, I I don't disagree you're not hearing Rodgers
in the Raiders, but it doesn't mean you won't hear
Rodgers at the Raiders. I think that, you know, that
just kind of comes down to, you know, trying to
(24:02):
get this thing all together. I feel like Rogers has
a little bit more opportunity just because I think what
Sam Darnold did. People are still going to hold their
breath a little bit when you sign them. Yes, you
hold your breath on Aaron Rodgers as well, but you've
seen him do it all the way. You've seen him
put season after season together. And I know it's been
two horrible years of the jest, but it did play
better down the stretch. And I think if you're a
(24:22):
team that's looking for a quarterback to get you between again,
the Raiders are at a tough spot because six and
six and so I think all these clubs are like,
how do I win next year? But what culture do
I want to set? It's going to be interesting to
see how it plays with you know, when you've got
coach Carroll there. I think you could find commonality. But
you know, it feels like like you guys are saying
the Giants feel like, you know, they're certainly different. Their
(24:43):
tone into Aaron Rodgers water right now, Mark, I know you.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
You just put out a scenario where Shoudre Sanders or
Cam Wore for that matter, goes to to the Cleveland Browns.
Basically we go quarterback one quarterback too. But obviously depending
on what which evaluator you talk to, some people think
Shadoor Sanders could go really high. Some people don't have
a first round grade on him. I don't know how
much tape you've got a chance to watch, but just
curious your perspective on the prospect he not only is,
(25:08):
but who he could be as well.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
Yeah, so I have yet to meet somebody who doesn't
think he's a first round talent. So I haven't run
in that person yet. It doesn't mean there are people
out there that might be very harsh on him. I
think it's a that'd be really critical to look at
you or Sanders. I think you might have because you
have to respect, you know what, some of the stuff
that he's been able to put on tape from an
athletics standpoint, from a throwing standpoint, and yet I know
(25:31):
he took a lot of sacks and those things that
could also be the offensive line and things like that
or what they asking them, those can all be debated.
That the problem you have is, as you know, if
you don't have a quarterback, you don't have a chance.
And you know both when you look at what's going
on as the Jets, or excuse me with the Giants
and what we're looking at it with the Cleveland Browns
is they both both coach and GM know that they're
on very shaky ground and they've got to find the guy.
(25:54):
And I think the Giants are scared. And I think,
you know, I think everybody pretty much has a cam
Ward one should or two in terms of their quarterback board.
Uh you know, so I think, you know, for the Titans,
I think that they've probably already making up their minds
that they're going to go that direction for you know,
the Cleveland Browns and steel Shauduur. But I feel like
he's the first round talent and it's worth a shot.
From everything, I haven't spent a lot of time with
(26:15):
Shuer at all, but from what I've heard from the
interviews here, he's doing a really good job.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Let me ask you just a quick follow up on Shador.
I mean, obviously there's a lot of noise with with
you know, his dad. Basically there's a mic in front
of his dad twenty four hours a day, and that's
not anybody's fault, it's just a reality. But there was
talk throughout this process, probably up until the last couple
of weeks, of well there's just certain spots that Shador
and frankly Travis Hunter too, but but really Shoudre, well,
(26:40):
he's just not going to go there. Is there any
of that actual buzz now that we're here, like he
wouldn't play here, he wouldn't play there, or was that
just you know, Dion kind of just talking into a mic,
you know, a year ago, six months ago, two months ago, whatever.
Speaker 6 (26:54):
No, I think there's a couple I think there's a
couple of spots that I don't think that he would
deal with it. He won't play there, he won't go there.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (27:01):
And I think you can probably start as you start
to look around the league and you hear about different
things that are going on with owners or ownership but
mainly owners I think you can start to eliminate one
or two clubs. If I would sit there and say
Deng has enough power to be able to do that
and say he's not going to go to your club,
I don't think he would ever say it out loud,
but you know that's I can understand where there's a
(27:23):
couple of clubs. Even I would say, yeah, if I
had my brothers, I wouldn't want him to be at
that organization. And I know that Dean probably can see
the same thing I would.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Now we go to the ownership report card. Now I
was just gonna say, Dominic is implying he's Aaron Dorres,
I'm Dan Bayer. What about the other Colorado start Travis Hunter.
If you're a GM, are you playing him both ways?
Day one in the National Football League?
Speaker 6 (27:45):
He's playing really defense. For me, I'm putting out a corner.
I'm drafting as a corner out a corner, and then
I might have some a player too that might you know,
obviously Hail Mary's and anything like that. We're certainly going
to get Travis in the game, but I think you've
got to be careful. He does not have the biggest right, guys.
I mean, he's not the thicknest of kids, and so
you know, you try to play in both ways. I
just don't know if the way this game's played now
(28:06):
in twenty twenty five and the speed and the power,
I think it's just too much of a toll to
play a guy both ways. So I think you got
to pick a side and then you pick a package,
like you might have a couple of packages for him,
but you know you really wanted to run go route
on third down and be back on the field trying
to cover a go route on first down. That's a
really hard thing to do in the National Football League.
Is it is good shape if you guys are in,
it's more that we will their body hold up and
(28:27):
that's a bigger concern.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Only other one for me, Mark. I mean, I know
it's early in the week there, but has anybody you
know from a personality wise or press conference or buzz
I mean, is there anybody that's really just stood out?
It doesn't have to be a quarterback as far as
personality or you know what you're hearing, anything interesting, any
interesting buzzer intel.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
Well, you know, it might not be the players that
are working out, but it's always fun to night. It
will be the big night of like really get a
sense of a little bit more of what's going on
in free agency, trying to put the map together on
some of these places that may end up with you know,
new names or new spots or what market going for.
You know, the trade Smith was a big buzz in
terms of him getting locked up or locked down. I
think by the Kent City Chiefs. That was a lot
(29:06):
of buzz last night or in the last couple of
days just because of you know, he took the number
one guard out of the market so far. And you know,
whether they trade him or not, I don't think they will.
I think they'll try to get a deal done. But
I think they got here and found out that there
was a huge market for Tray Smith and they weren't
ready to deal with it. So the best thing you
could do is put that tag on it. I don't
know if there's another player like that, but I have
a feeling. You know, the numbers are going these guys
(29:27):
are you know, the Caps jump in twenty plus million dollars.
There's a lot of fun free agent meetings that are
going to be had over the next twenty four hours.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Mark, enjoy the weekend in Indianapolis and we'll talk to
you next Friday. Thanks so much and thanks Dan.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
See you guys.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Mark Dominic, former GM on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and
again now host of a new podcast called The GM Shuffle.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Doug gottlib Show a lot for the Tyrerech dot Com
Studios Green Bay and Doug getting win number four last night,
they wrap up the regular season. Is it tomorrow or Sunday?
Jason Stewart against Oakland? Yeah, It's either Saturday or Sunday,
and then their first round conference playoff game comes up
(30:15):
on Tuesday for the conference tournament. He is Aaron Tomorrow,
I'm the Empire. It is tomorrow. Makes sense. Give him
a couple of days before the conference tournament for them
begins on Tuesday. Speaking of games, aeron Torres, It's time
to play one with Isaac Low and Gron.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
All right, Isaac, what have we got today?
Speaker 7 (30:42):
Perhaps in honor of former Major League closer and Fox
Sports radio host Rob.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
Dibble, I got dibbs.
Speaker 7 (30:50):
All right, Gang, we're gonna start in the NFL because
of what's happening, favorite relievers, Alejandro pa because of what
has happened in the last well really an hour and
a half. Who do you have DIBs on available veteran
NFL quarterbacks for next season? With Matthew Stafford now off
(31:14):
the board.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
I'll be unpopular.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Sorry, no, I was gonna say, I don't know if
anybody's gonna be jumping in, but you sound like you were.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
I was gonna say, I'll be unpopular. Given the circle
the given who's available, I'd probably still go Aaron Rodgers.
I really would, and I think the team matters, and
I don't want to crap on anybody else calling DIBs
on anybody else, But I still think the ceiling of
guys available, I would still bet on that, as opposed
(31:42):
to the ceiling of whoever else is available, plus the
floor of a couple people. I'm not gonna name names,
but maybe he started for the Minnesota Vikings this year,
so I will still take Aaron Rodgers. Believe it or not.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
I got Jameis Winston, whoa we'll go off the board.
I'm not intrigued by anybody else. I'm not saying that
Jamis is going to be your savior. He was a
guy that I wrote off. But there was at least
a little something that they had in Cleveland this year.
I'll take Jameis Winston fascinating.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
I got Sam Darnold, not because I love it, but
I think it's one of the remaining quarterbacks and he's okay,
that's it.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I got DIBs on Russell Wilson.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
It's a very unenthusiastic dibbs.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
So I'm still reeling from Isaac Loewen Krohn's deep pull
about two minutes ago. Unbelievable. Oh, he was one of
my favorite people.
Speaker 7 (32:38):
Came a clutch so many times for the Atlanta Braves
down the stretch. In ninety one, he was the winning
pitcher in the Kirk Gibson home run Game. By the way.
So from the NFL to a brief stint with Major
League Baseball closures of yesteryear, and now to the NBA.
Who you got DIBs on Western Conference contenders?
Speaker 2 (32:58):
I got TIBs on Oaklahreahoma City home court. I think
plays a part in all of this, I just am
not a huge believer in everybody else, and that includes
the Denver Nuggets. Think. I just I know they won
a title two years ago, but I just am not
sold on them in a in a real run. I
don't know if it's last year's Timberwolves or just what
(33:19):
I thought about them during their run. They lost to
the Bucks last night almost by default. I'll just take
Oklahoma City because they're at the top.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
I got DIBs on the Nuggets. I know everybody's super
excited about, you know, the Lakers. They're unbelievable. They made
the Western Conference Finals two years ago. People are acting
like we've never seen the Lakers play well in the
last fifteen years. They've been good, don't Luca. For all
his strengths, there's a lot of weaknesses defensively, rim protection,
(33:51):
things of that nature. I just, I mean, you can
argue they might not have to play Denver, But I'm
just not as excited about the Lakers as everybody else.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
I got the Lakers, if not for anything else, to
be the second straight subject that Aaron crapped on before
I took it. I know.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
I'm so sorry.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
I will say this everybody says. Everyone said after the trade,
this team doesn't play defense. They can't win a championship
because they don't play defense. But I saw this stat recently.
Over the last twenty games, they're the best defensive team
in the NBA. Now, I know a lot of those
were Anthony Davis games, but that also includes the last
three or four.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
So there you go. Sam, you want Inny, you gotta pass.
I'll pass no part.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Of this all right?
Speaker 7 (34:34):
Final item.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
I was waiting for this.
Speaker 7 (34:36):
A tribute to the late great Jean Hackman Gene Hackman
movie roles, what do you got DIBs on?
Speaker 4 (34:46):
People?
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Norman Dale, Hoosiers coach Norman Dale. That's who I'm taking.
I put up my did you see my Hoosiers video?
I went to all the Hoosiers sites five years ago
it was filmed, and I didn't want to be the
person who had a picture with Gene Hackman. I don't.
But then when the person dies and they're like, here
was me with him in nineteen ninety eight, I wanted
(35:08):
to tie something into Hoosiers and I just felt like
our video driving into Hickory, where Norman Dale drives into
the tom was fitting. You can see it on Buyer
Talk or at dan Byer on Fox Ye also on
Blue Sky on Blue Sky as well at dan Byer.
I got DIBs on Senator Kevin Keeley. He plays Senator
Kevin Keeley in The Bird Cage, which I think is
(35:28):
a hysterical movie. Well a head, it's time Nathan Laiden,
Robin Williams. The Bird Cage. Great movie, very funny. I
got DIBs on Popeye Doyle. Now this was the character
and in the French connection. And a shout out to
my uncle Kevin who waited on it yesterday. The movie
is remarkable for the time and has stood the test
of time. Arguably Hackman's greatest role. And I can't disagree.
(35:52):
And you could pass, Aaron. If you want to pass,
I'll pass. He's going to pass. And that's game time.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
Game, This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
By it what Sam can Pass? Everyone could pass. Shortly
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!