June 12, 2017 • 44 mins
Doug argues game 4 of the NBA Finals proves why the Warriors are NOT the greatest team of all time and why they wouldn’t be able to compete in the old NBA. He discusses contracts in the NFL and if there is a new way for franchise quarterbacks to get paid so that stars are no longer underpaid. He also talks to the new head coach of Oklahoma football: Lincoln Riley.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the best of the Doug Gottlieb Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Boom, What Up America, Doug Gottlieb Show,
and guess what We still got more hooped to play
six hours from right now. We may be crowning a
champion or it may be getting really interesting. Welcome in,
Chris Bruce is gonna join us. Upcoming in twenty minutes.
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We'll talk about Friday night's game, and we'll talk about
tonight's game. Plus uh, interesting, interesting idea that NFL agents
are coming up with so that we don't have to
have the Topper. You know, the most annoying thing in
life is right where you know, Topper guy. Topper guys
like look, I end I get it because at at
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our hearts were all kids and I had to deal
with this. I was home for a couple of days
this weekend, um as we make the transition. I'm transitioning
from Connecticut to southern California's been a couple a couple
of extra days at home and was dealing with like
I have twin daughters are eleven years old, and I
have one it's a little bit more socially mature than
the other one. And the one that's a little bit
more socially mature. Doesn't understand why does my sister always
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have to one up me? Why does she always have
to say something is better than mine? I was like,
because she's playing Topper. And then I went to a party,
which like my wife's like, let's go down the street
to this part. Like, I just want to be home
and grill. I want to grow meet on my own grill. Anyway,
I mean, I got this big green egg thing. I
want to fire that sucker up. Man. Anyway, I'm sitting
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there next to a guy and I'm I'm listening to
guys be Topper guy, you know, like, oh boy, you know,
like I love my new car. What kind of cars
that's Alexis? Oh yeah, I got a new Tesla with
the ludicrous mode. They're just like Topper arrogant. And then
I'm on the plane flying from New York to l
A and I got Topper guy going behind me. Alright,
one guy went to n y U. The other guy
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went to Ivyle went to Columbia. Uh. You know, one
guy wrote a screenplay and the other guy hard in
the movie, Like I'm like a Topper guy. It's one
of the crazy things, especially about dudes, and I think
women do the same thing. The old idea keeping up
with the Joneses some interesting ideas from NFL agents so
that we don't have to have every new contract be
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greater than the contract before, even when the quarterback that
signs that contract not actually be great. We'll get to
that upcoming about thirty minutes from now. I want to
dive deep into a game that took place Friday night.
There's this weird thing about Friday night sporting events. Usually
they got caught in the wash, right, like there's no
real sport. There is sports radio on Saturdays. Jason McIntyre
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has a show on Saturdays. I know because Ryan Music
used to produce it was my producer now, and because
Jason McIntyre when he's on continuously plugs his own show.
There is sports radio on Saturday, but the heavy hitters,
the yakkers, the hot takers there, we don't pay attention
Saturdays in May and June. Like, dude, I'm off to
the beach, I'm off the lake. I'm doing some honey. Dude,
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my wife's in a tag sail. That's yard sale. If
you're not from the East coast. Yeah, we got all
this stuff going on, so we don't get to lock in.
Friday night was a culmination, a perfect storm, if you will,
for the Cleveland Cavaliers to finally win a game. First,
Cleveland shot the eyes out of the basketball right, seven
threes in the first half second. The officiating was a
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complete and utter joke. It was a debacle. The Cavaliers
shot twenty two first quarter free throws first quarter free throws. Uh.
The Golden State Warriors shot the ball poorly, turned the
ball over, didn't seem like they were ready for the
aggressiveness of the Cavaliers. They thought it was a coronation.
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Turns out it was a street fight. They didn't lace
up their gloves. They were like, um, uh, remember when
Butch who did Butch knock out? In pulp fiction? Where
the guy didn't even lace up his gloves. You can
feel free to tweet me at lip show. I know
I should know this. He didn't even lace Um, yeah,
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I know he didn't. I should know who who it is.
It wasn't zeb Zeb's dead, right, zed Zed's dead. Wasn't
zed And it wasn't Um, what's this? What's the what's
the what's the guy? Who get with the zipper mask
and whatever the creepy stuff was? Oh man, anyway, somebody
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I am. You guys don't want how many times? What
pick in your life? I know if you're not the gimp. Okay,
it's not Marcellus Wallace. Who Zed is the police officer?
Is I get? No? No, not no? Zed had the chopper.
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It's Zed Chopper. Who's Zed? Baby Zed's dead? Baby Zed's dead? Remember.
And the most annoying character ever is Butch's girlfriend fiance
whatever she is with her accent, it's a terrible fake accent.
It's not good. Who's the fighter? Who Butch knocks? Anyway,
That's who the Golden State Warriors were on Friday Night.
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They were ready for the fight. And that game was physical,
That game was terribly officiated, that game was owned in
the eighties. Six point first half of the Golden State Warriors.
Six points that really happened, forty nine points in the
first quarter, and so um, a couple of things, just takeaways.
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Is this really simple thought. We'll talk coming up about
how much pressure I believe is now shifted to the
Golden State Warriors Chris Broussard in moments, but more than anything.
To any of you who don't really understand or aren't
willing to admit that basketball has changed. That was more
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in line with how the NBA used to be played,
not the three pointers. And I will grant you that
there wouldn't a team that's gonna shoot seven, make make twelve,
to shoot twelve, make seven threes in a quarter going back,
you know, twenty years ago. But to anyone who says like, oh,
they couldn't, you couldn't stop Golden State with Ron Harper
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and Michael Jordan's, Scottie Pippen and Tony Ko coach and
Dennis Rodman. Watch Game four. That's why all these old
players they're talking in code. They can't really kind of
put their finger on it. Now you can. That's what
it used to look like, where brutally physical, brutally physical,
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the fouls were harder, the hand checking was even more
severe than we saw on Friday night. And look, that's
not how basketball has been played in this last decade
in the NBA, with the exception of a couple of
games in the regular season and a couple of games
in the playoffs and several games in the NBA Finals.
So if you want to go cliche. Look the Calves,
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you're if you're the Warriors, you're gonna have to beat them.
They're not gonna beat themselves. They're not gonna let You're
gonna have to beat them, and you're gonna have to
physically stand up to the challenge of the Calves tonight.
But the reason that so many old school players are
coming out putting their teeth in, going, you know my
team from nineteen forty seven when whoop two Warriors? Yet
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you know we would we would put it and we
would hammer them. Why are they all saying it. It's
not because they have some nostalgia. It's because they know
that's how basketball was played. And when you watch the
Warriors played that style of basketball, the Warriors are not
nearly as effective on the offensive side of the ball,
and they're an offensive dominant team. Makes sense. And so
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I have a bunch of questions. How will the game
be officiated tonight? How will Steph Curry play tonight? Played poorly?
Will Kybrie Irving can continue to light the world on fire?
Last two games? He's been ridiculous? Oh my, are we going?
Let's get physical? Olivia Newton, John, did I hear that
that was like early eighties. She was a smunk show
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in the early ages whenn't she? But I I think
we got a series, and I know we have one
if if the Calves can steal one tonight, Physic Girl,
I want to get Physic Girl. Let me hear you
about it. To man, we got a good show for you.
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Aaron Judge hit a baseball that hasn't landed yet. I'll
tell you why he's going to save regular season baseball.
Huh yes, Ryan Music, Twitter has chimed in. It was
Floyd Wilson. Floyd Wilson And by the way, I was right,
Z is the guy who's the cop who ends up
getting killed and had the chopper. The cop had the chopper?
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M Z was Z was Z's the one who pulls
out the gimp? I thought, I thought Z in the gimp.
I thought he owned like a gun shop. And then Marcia,
that's not z. No, Z's the cop? Who who the
guy who owns the shop calls? That's right, who's the
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guy who owns the shop? I had no idea. You
look on IMDb. I don't know. My biggest takeaway Friday
is one the officiating was a joke, right, like, I
don't think the thing is rigged, but if it was rigged,
that's what a rigged game looked like. A right, don't
get me wrong. Like Cleveland shot the ball so incredibly well,
but one of the reasons they shot the ball well
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was anytime Golden State got anywhere near him, they were
called for a foul and then sometimes Cleveland just run
over him, throw their arms in the air. And there
was one a mon shop like I was sitting there
with my wife, who she doesn't get. She doesn't care
who wins. She hates that Steph Curry choose on her
mouth piece. He choose on his mouthpiece, Like she can't stand, like,
would you just put the mouthpiece and or spit it
out like easy? She's nope. But she thought of mon schumper,
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you remember what himn shupper and Steph kind of grabbing
him for a second and then he completely flopped. She's like,
that is ridiculous. He should be thrown out for that flop.
J hates flopping. She's kind of old school. But between
the contact and the post, the physicality by which Kevin
Love played with Lebron played with Richard Jefferson coming and
throwing his body around. Uh, Dante Jones talking issue over
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there on the sideline, Like it's pretty obvious that Cleveland
has finally decided to go along with my game plan,
which is you can't beat them just skill for skill.
They're more skilled than you are. You gotta get if
you think that was something, you gotta get more aggressive emotionally, physically, mentally, verbally.
Here's their coach, you know, hidden and being physical and
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just saying that they did to us in the first
three games. We gotta do that. And last game in
game four, I thought that's who we are. I'm gotta
be physical if he's talking trash or you know, knocking
guys on the floor, whatever you gotta do. We gotta
do what. We gotta be physical. I can't take a
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quick little story here and then we'll go on Bruce
Sar real quick story. Uh do you Ryan Music just
graduated from college like last month high school actually high
school and you were not my graduation? What was your sorry?
I wasn't my only do you speaker? What is what's
your what was your favorite class in college? Television news
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like journalism or something like that. If you put any
of that to work, Okay, I decided to shake Radio. No,
but but you you did you like that was your
favorite class? Yeah? I thought it was a lot of fun.
Rahma's Rama's your favorite class you've ever taken? Your history? History?
Rahmos by the way, super interesting guy. Like all of
a sudden, like he switches to like, he goes some like,
Rahmos is a great laugh laugh guy. And then all
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of a sudden he goes like history. Would you like that?
I'm like, oh my god, so much smarter than me.
I don't want embarrass this my favorite class ever. So
I went Notre Dame, then went to junior college for
a year, then went to Oklahoma State. Favorite class ever
was at Golden West Junior College. It was the history
of rock and roll. And what that song reminds me
of is even the term rock and roll is actually
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means like sex, right, Like it was rock and roll,
like Jake rattle roll. What do you think that's actually about?
Like all these songs, And I remember, like the first
day in class, he's playing all these different songs and
he's like, what's this song about, what's this song about?
What's and they're all about the same thing. Uh. Frankie
goes to Hollywood Frankie says, relax, you know, like go
back and listen to the words. You're like, oh my god,
that was on the radio. That was like twelve and
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I was saying it next to my mom and now
I'm totally grossed out. Anyway, That's what that song reminds
me out right, because I thought of it like it's
like a robe aerobic workout. Let's get physical physically, and
then you're like, wait a second, that's not what it's about. Uh.
What the game was about Friday night was to me,
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this is the only way the Calves can beat make
Draymond beat you, make all their ancillary parts beat you,
and then beat the hell out of their stars and
dare the officials to call a foul on you, and
instead the opposite happened. And oh yeah, by the way,
they threw in some crazy shots. Be sure to catch
live editions of The Doug gott Leaps Show weekdays at
three pm Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and
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the I Heart Radio app. Let's get the Chris Brussard
by away from Fox Sports. You know, he knows NBA,
he knows all those sports as well. He has his
own show on the weekends here on Fox Sports Radio.
You see him on all the Fox Sports one TV
shows as well. Chris Uh, what was your biggest takeaway
from Game four of the NBA Finals on Friday night.
I would say that Cleveland, I thought played with great physicality.
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I thought, um, they played with a sense of urgency
and hustle, um that they hadn't played within the first
at least the first two games. And I actually thought
it was more intense then they played in Game three,
which they had a chance to win. And I thought
that the game was bitter sweet for Cash fans because
on the one hand, obviously you're happy that you won
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and excited, But if I'm a Cass fan, I'm looking
at that game and I'm saying, where was this defense,
defensive intensity, Where was this game plan of bottling up
Steph double the team in him making Draymond shoot? Where
was the hustle? Where was Tristan Thompson's rebounding and aggressiveness?
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Where was all that in the first three games? Because
this I think the series still is over and Golden
States going to win, and so I'm like, why are
we in such a hole? A three or three oh hole?
If we could have done that. You're not gonna shoot
from three every night. I get that. But the other
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things they could have done better, They could have done
those throughout the series. And I gotta be honest too,
I don't so really don't like hearing the Cass players
say that what Draymond Green said excite didn't motivated them.
I mean, first of all, what he said wasn't anything crazy. Secondly,
you're in the NBA Finals. It shouldn't take somebody saying
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they want to close you out at home to get
you to play at your fever pitch. And so those
for all things I took away from that Game four.
And if the Calves lose this series, not that they
could have beaten Gold say, I think that will mean
Gold Stags just a better team, But I think they
would be like kicking themselves because apparently they didn't bring
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it in the first three games as much as they
could have. It's a great point. Chris Bruce are joining
this from Fox Sports. Um, how much of an effect
do you think the officiating had in the game. Well,
it was bad, there's no doubt about that. I mean,
let's just go to the elephant in the room. I
guess I mean Draymond Green, Like was that first technical
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on Draymond or on cur I still I mean, I
know they're saying Kurt, but there's still some confusion over that.
Zaza for Julia, I thought should have been ejected for
hitting Emain Shumper where he hit him in the man's zone.
So I thought the referee was poor. Although I will
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say this, I liked the feist inness. I like seeing
Lebron and k D in each other's face. I like
the players kind of the bad blood, if you will.
It kind of reminded me of like Laker Celtics in
the eighties. Um and I thought it was really really good.
I hope tonight is like that as well. But as
far as the outcome of the game, I don't think,
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you know, I don't take anything from Cleveland. I think
they just shot the lights out and played better on
the other end of the floor as well. Can I
don't know if you can, you can, I give you
my little quick takeaway. And I don't know if you
saw it like on Twitter, and I said it on
on Calling show Chris Brus John Sto Gotlic show, Fox
Sports Radio. This actually gives Game four gave credence to
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the old fool teams who said, hey, look all this
stuff is cute, but with our rules, it would is
a completely different game, isn't that Like, Look, there was
a lot more threes, a lot more high possessions. It
was a higher possession game, and both teams end up
scoring a ton of points. But doesn't this give credibility
to the idea that Steph Curry wouldn't be Steph Curry
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if not for the rules changes. That's a great point.
I'll say this, Um. I definitely think those great teams
of the path that have all said they would beat
the Warriors, remember their thinking of their game and their rules,
and if they did play the Warriors under their rules,
hand checking, much more physical play, you can get drill
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when you go into the lane to the basket, they
would beat the Warriors. There. There's no doubt in my
mind they would beat this Warrior's team. The question is,
if you play by today's rules, would they be able
to keep up with this Warrior's team. But I think
you make a great point when you look at these
teams of the past that have said that they could
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beat the Warriors if they were allowed to be as
physical with them as they were in the past, then
they would definitely cause them some problems. And I think
your point is well taken. You pointed out something really
smart that I noticed, and that's that they're trying to
make make Draymond Green beat them. Like Draymond gets the ball,
brings up the court, and they're not letting him pass,
they're making him score. And it's interesting to me because
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I know you've pointed out the stat that Jordan only
played against was at nine Hall of Famers or something
like that, right, yes, nine and his six finals trip,
And I said Lebron has played. Now obviously that was
likely Hall of Famers, not no one's in yet, right
and and and also and looked while that's a legitimate
possibility statistically, like I think we operate under this assumption
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that Draymond is a Hall of Famer, It isn't he
at least I don't know. Isn't he getting exposed as
being a guy who he's a really really good role player.
He's a great role player, but he you can't put
him on his own team, and he ain't gonna score
twenty a game and carry a team like that's not
who he is. The only way he gets into the
Hall of Fame is if they win a bunch of championships,
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and and that's probably true for Clay too. You know,
I think it's Draymond's case is very similar to Dennis Robin.
Dennis Rodman was a spectacular role player, just like Draymond
in a different way. But he was a role player
like Draymond who had a great impact. If he hadn't
won those championships, he's not in the Hall of Fame.
But didnt he went? He won? He won two in Detroit,
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then he wanted the three with the Bulls, and then
did he win in San Antonio? Didn't he win one
in San Antonio as well? No, he he was in.
He was on those teams with David Robinson Rod Strickland,
But no, he didn't win it. Remember they didn't win
any championships that group. Yeah, and even if you remember,
I mean, obviously he was good Detroit, but he wouldn't
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if he hadn't gotten that three t with the Bulls,
he wouldn't have got in the Hall of Fame based
on you know, those two rings with Detroit off the
first year. But he also he led the league in rebounding,
Like I don't know, like eight straight years and two
time defense. But it's it's it's a very it's they're
different players. There's an interesting parallel in the importance of
their role, uh to, to this team. Okay, So then
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the last and maybe most important question is this um
does Golden State get tight tonight? I mean, they lose
tonight and all of a sudden we You can't tell
me there's not a whole world of pressure on them,
but I don't know they lose. If they lose tonight,
I think you can make a strong argument that Cleveland's
favorite now to win the series. I mean, it would
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sound crazy. You're still down three too, but you know,
I mean, look, this is my take. Losing one game
on the road when the opponent shoots at his store,
great that we may never see again. It's nothing to
get alarmed about. Okay. But so I think they should
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go into night's game feeling good about themselves and like,
let's let's close the team out at home and take
our championship. But if they lose tonight, that will be
five straight elimination games to the Calves that they have lost.
And remember Kevin Durant, even though it was to Cleveland.
That will be five straight elimination games that he has
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failed to close out Steph Curry in. In those four
previous elimination games against Cleveland, he shot thirty five percent
from the floor from three and Kevin Durant last for
elimination games, three of them obviously against Golden State, he
has shot thirty nine percent from three. So if they
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lose tonight, I think that it will definitely get in
their heads and they're gonna have a lot of mental
gymnastics to go through to win the series. Last thing,
are you one of these Lebrons should be m VP
regardless of whether or not they win. Of those guys,
I just I'm sorry. I mean, call me old fashioned
or whatever. I think you have to win. I think
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you have to be on the winning team. Now, who's
the best player in the series? Clearly Lebron? You think so? Wait?
Wait you think I thought? I thought Durant was clearly
the better player of the first three games. I mean
Lebron's average in a triple double. He's the only player
when when he There was an article today I read
in the Wall Street Tournal Lebron has been on the
floor a hundred sixty six minutes, the Cavaliers are plus
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six in those one sixty six when he's the only
Cavaliers player with a positive plus minus in the twenty
six minutes. Now, that's just twenty six minutes over four
games that he's been off the floor that has have
been outscored by twenty five points. And so Kyrie, Irvin,
who has been great, right by all of our measurements
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or by all of our opinions, he has the worst
plus minus in the entire series. So I think that
just shows how ridiculous plus minus can be. Like he
to me, he was the biggest key factor in games
three and four Lebron. Lebron made ten of his first
eleven shots in Game three and then he tired badly
when he made five of his next like sixteen shots
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in Game three. Kyrie carried them in the third quarter
there and he carried them. He had forty points. He
carried them offensively. In Game four. Like I, I, plus
minus is an important stat. It's not the end all,
be all and to those but you don't So you
don't think Lebron, So you think Kyrie has been bigger
for the I think Kevin Durant has been a better player,
like we just I watched the first three games. I
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was like, well, Kevin Durant played better, especially play better
when it mattered in the second half. Was Yeah, Game
three he was certainly better. So are you of the
opinion that he is surpassed, you know, assuming he plays
well and they close it out. Do you think he's
now the best player in the world. He's played better
than him in three of four games, and he was
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And here's the crazy thing about plus minus, right, he
had a minus twenty two plus minus in game four
Clay Thompson and minus seven. He was a lot better.
He was the only guy offensively who was doing anything
for the Golden State where he carried them. So plus
minus is not always not always a telling stat because
there's all sorts of uh, there's there's all sorts of
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other factors into what your plus minus is. So do
I think he's overall better player. I think he's a
better offensive player. I do I think he fits score? Yeah,
I mean obviously he's a better ball he's I think
he's a better I think he's a better I think
he's a better ball handler. Um, I think Lebron is
probably a better passer. But it's not it's not it's
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it's not so much better that it even like I
just I don't know, like we we judge everybody else
based upon go ahead. I don't think the Rant can
control a game like Lebron. Obviously, as you say, he's
a better score, he's a at a shooter, but he
can't control a game running offense like Lebron does. We
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have never seen him do that. I think the passing
is a huge difference, um. Even though Durant is not
a bad passer, UM, and I think that you know
you played at a high level, Durant has so much
less responsibility. That's the thing. I mean, Durant can have
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an average night and this team could win. Lebron has
to be phenomenal every night for the Cavaliers to win
in this series, except for the fact that he actually hasn't.
He hasn't had an average night like Duran has had.
He's been great, and he's had more responsibility defensively, and
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he stepped up to the challenge like he is protected.
Don't you think he can? But at the same time,
I can throw Iguadolla, Clay Draymond or Lebron and give
Durant a rest Lebron has jeff started to get some
relief from Garden Durant because now Jefferson is actually doing
a decent job. But I just think Lebron has to
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do so much more because he doesn't have the three
off star teammates that Durant does. He's got to So
I'm not trying to cry tears for him, but I
just think he's still got to carry a lot bigger
little where I will agree with you is this Durant is.
Certainly it's easier to fit him into a system because
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he is a catchy, can catch and shoot. He's you know,
can move without the basketball and do those things better
uh than Lebron. Lebron tends to become your system, don't
you think? You know? And that maybe that's part of
why his team struggle so badly when he's off the floor,
because whenever Lebron is on your team, whether it was Cleveland,
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Miami or now Cleveland again, the system is Lebron, whereas
in Golden State, Durant is not the system. Step does
not the system. The System's great point Chris brus Sorry
check out his radio show weekends on Fox Sport trade.
Of course, check him out on Fox Sports. Will be
on Disputer tomorrow. I'm sure he'll be on Collin cow
Heard tomorrow as well, and on Speak for Yourself tomorrow,
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all on Fox Sports one. And you can see him
on Twitter reading stuff on Twitter. Chris, thanks so much
for joining us. Really appreciated. It's a Chris brus already.
He's awesome. Be sure to catch live editions of The
Doug gott Leaves Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
I saw this story which I thought was interesting. So
Jason Cole of Bleacher Report recently noted that some agents
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and people within the nfl p A. Remember this is
agents and the NFL p A are increasingly suggesting that
star players linked their contracts to a percentage of the cap. Alright, so,
and it says it will happen only when a great
player has maximum leverage, presumably hitting the hitting the open market,
and creating a land rush for his services. It probably
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also needs to be a franchise quarterback. Remember aanon Rodgers
last week, he came out as like, I'm not under
pay pay what I'm worth it kind of he took
the high road. I'm not getting into that. Uh, Andrew
Lux already got his new deal. The idea is, and
maybe this goes to an Odell Beckhams Jr. Maybe it
goes to a Derek Carr. The agents are like, look,
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we don't have to keep increasing what you make. Let's
just tie it to the salary cap. So they always
the franchise quarterback always gets a certain chunk of the
salary cap five ten percent, fiftcent salary cap goes up,
they get a raise. Um, this seems to be a
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completely pro player deal and that to me, it won't
happen if it does. NFL teams are smart like, look,
if you want to link your salary to the salary cap,
that's fine, we can do that, but we're gonna cut
down on the guarantees. And guarantees helped teams because it
doesn't go in against a salary cap number and allows
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them to get many other players to surround the quarterback
or running back. With guarantees help players because even though
NFL players would tell you our contracts aren't guaranteed, that's
a bunch of bull. There are guarantees within the contracts.
It's just how much leverage that they have. And so
if if an agent goes to an NFL team and says, hey,
we want some guarantee, we want some money locked in
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percentage wise of the salary cap. If I'm an NFL team,
I'm going, great, sweet, we'll give you five percent of
the cap, but we're not going to give you the
guarantees that we were gonna give you anyone. So I
think we're still a long way from this happening. And
it's one of those sounds like a great idea from
the NFL p A and players side. Reality of it is,
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you don't want to have a quarterback under that type
of contract by the time he's You just don't. You
don't want a guy under contract for more than two
or three years. Case in point, Conn Kaepernick, case in point,
Jake Cutler, case in point Kirk Cousins. Like they're good,
they're fine, they're not superstars, right Jer's is the only
guy who could be that guy, and I just don't
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see him turning down the guaranteed money of a signing bonus,
of a roster bonus so that he can link in
for a long term deal to continue to get money
as a salary cap increases. Fox Sports Radio has the
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the I Heart Radio app. Lincoln Riley joins US now.
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He's the new head coach of the University of Oklahoma's
only thirty three years old, so he doesn't have this
kind of built up baggage of negative you know, these
negative things. Lincoln, how are you? I'm great, I'm great. Doug,
how you doing good? Man? So have you moved your
stuff into the office yet? I am I'm actually sitting
in there right now. Yeah, it's uh spot for sure.
Have you started to soak up like you're sitting in
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the chair it's not the same chair. That would be
really interesting. Bud Wilkinson, Barry Switzer, Bob Stoops, Lincoln Riley
has that sunk in yet? Yeah? You know, no, And
I don't know that it ever will, you know. I
mean it's uh, you know, you feel that when you
when you walk into this program. I felt it two
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years ago, just you know, the sense of responsibility to
uphold with all the other great coaches and players have
done here, you know, and it's just that kind of
place and that kind of program. So yeah, you know,
to be the head coach here is really really special.
I'm thrilled about it, but I know I've also got to,
you know, take it one day at a time and
just try to do the best I can day today.
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That's Lincoln Riley, head coach University of Oklahoma. He's from
Mules Shoe, Texas. The Mules was your your high school mascot, right, mu, Now,
mules Shoe was like, it's not flat. It's not like
in the flat. It's like elevated. Right, It's a little
bit cooler than other parts of Texas in it it's
pretty flat. It's pretty flat. Now we're you know, kind
of it's on the cap rock a little bit, so
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a little elevated, but it's it's pretty flat. And I
would say typical. Uh, you know West Texas, great town,
great people, small town. I love their sports, love football. Um,
you know, it was a great place to be raised. Okay,
So like is there a sonic there? I mean, like
we do we have a sonic? Um? We got McDonald's
like halfway through I think my high school career, and
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that was that was big time news. I can promise
you that I bring up my wife's from UM and
I don't know how much you've been into central Oklahoma
outside of Cushing. This is called town called drum Right,
Drum Rights from She's from the suburbs of drum Right.
Like are you from, like downtown Muleshoe? Are you from?
Like is there some other little community that that's really
where you grew up? And he went to some regional
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school before you went to high school. Now, now, straight up,
I would we didn't live I would say downtown, but
but yeah, we're right there in the heart of the
city and was there, was there all through my my
entire career. Okay, So then you went to Tech, you
went to Lubbock, which in West Texas. Like that's the
big town, right, Like you went there, You're like, this
is the biggest place I've I've ever been. That's right,
It's all relative. Okay. So the first time you met
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Mike Leach, uh, give me the give me the meeting,
the first time you met coach Leaks. It's pretty funny, actually, um,
so our first quarterback meeting, I walked on um and
I remember our first quarterback meeting and I've got my
I've got my notepad and uh, you know, I'm just like, wow,
I'm getting ready to you know, this college football. I'm
a small town kid, you know, just never really even
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know if you'd be something like this, and so I'm
feel thinking this is gonna be just an incredibly profound meeting.
And so we get in there the first day and
and um, he puts in h he puts in a
dip and uh and he puts in you know up
from Millshore, Texas. So I've seen a guy put in
a dip before. I mean that wasn't you know, anything
anything different. But he puts in the biggest dip of
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any human being I've ever seen. And I'm kind of
sitting there with my eyes wide open. And he so
he starts talking to us, and he starts talking to
us about you know, about about dip and about the
different you know, different ways you know that that that, uh,
you know, the different kinds and all. You know, if
you've talked to Mike before, he he's got a pretty good,
you know, pretty crazy point of view on everything. Well,
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the entire meeting goes by, Um it's just like an
hour and a half and I would say probably an
hour and twenty five minutes were devoted to dip. So
I go out there on the first practice field thinking
what is going on here? You know, this is crazy?
And but that was him, you know, and he uh
obviously was a great coach. Was was a great you
know mentor to me as far as giving me my
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my first chances and and certainly always kept it interesting. Okay,
So what was his dip of choice? He didn't like?
He was he a redman? Man? Was his skull? What
was he? What was he doing? Now? At that point
it was Copenhagen. It was it was straight Copenhagen. So yeah,
that was that was a great and great first meeting.
So yeah, that's for you. Yeah, that that is Wait,
who sings there is somebody who? Wait, what's the singer
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who sings a song about copen Copenhagen? There's yeah, yeah, exactly,
there you go. I'll remember. I'll remember it before Lincoln
Riley joining us on the Doug Gottlib Show. Alright, so
you're at you're at East Caroline. You joined uh coach
Leech's staff after walking on there. Then you're at East
Carolina working for Rough and McNeil. How did how did
it work? Where? Uh? Because you were a hand selected
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Bye bye, Bob stoops, like, how did it work where
he found you and you guys came into contact and
you came to work for him. You know, it happened,
It was It was interesting. It happened pretty quick after
our after our bowl game that year, and uh, you know,
coach had had just decided to make a couple of
changes here, and he just started with the phone call.
I was on my way back home after the bowl
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game with my wife back to West Texas just to
see some family, and uh I was driving and phone
call with the four or five air code and picked
it up and now and then you know, we had
a good initial talk. And uh you know, I think
he had, you know, had kept an eye on on
some of us guys that have been you know, in
the same tree. Uh. You know that he had gotten
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Mike and some of the other coaches from and uh
as far as kind of that what used to be
called kind of the air Raide tree, and uh, yeah,
we had enough success there that I think, you know,
I've been brought to his attention. Um. And so yeah,
we had a great talk and then came up to Norman,
I don't know, come days later and had a great
visit with him and the staff, and it just everything
seemed to fit. You know, It's interesting. I pointed this
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out when he retired last week that among the things
that I don't think get discussed enough, and you tell
me Lincoln Riley joining us head coach at Oklahoma, is
that of all the things that Bob Stoops brought to
the Big Twelve, no one threw the ball. I was there.
I was a student at Oklahoma State and they came
in and Leech was the offensive. Cordner came in from Kentucky,
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and now I did no one throw the ball. But
none of the none of the high level schools, none
of the oh used, the Texas is, the Alabama's, the
l s used, the Michigan's, the Ohio State. They still
don't really do it. But none of them ran spread.
And by uh, he validated the spread offense by bringing
Leech in. And I know they tinkered with it when
Kevin Wilson came in, and there's been all different machinations
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to it. But isn't that maybe one of the more
understated parts of what happened with Oklahoma football was, Yes,
the defense of special teams with him and his brother
was great, but in being willing to change of insively
and try something different than anybody else had tried. It
forever changed college football starting at OU, There's no question.
I mean, I think that's a large part of his
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impact that you know, the offense was starting to circulate
a little bit around not lesser programs, but not programs
maybe though with the history and the caliber of Oklahoma,
and it was really the first time that it got
to that level and and then started, you know, consistently
producing championships like it's done here, and so yeah, I think,
you know, for him, especially a defensive minded head coach
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that had that background thought to have that kind of
foresight and understand you know, that that was the direction
that the game was going, and to bring that advantage
to a place like Oklahoma was he was ahead of
his time, and you're you're right, it started a trend
that I don't think's going anywhere. When when did you know?
I mean, we found out last week, but there's some
talk that he had purchased I guess purchased a condo
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in Chicago. Like the timing is unique. When did when
did you know that you were going to be the guy? Oh?
I knew I knew for sure about eleven o'clock the
day had happened. Um, I didn't. We'd had some talks
and the just you know, immediate, you know, just a
few days before that that I thought, you know, that
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might be what he was gonna do, and that might
be what would happen. But you know, as a coach,
you kind of you prepare yourself because sometimes you have
those conversations or things come up and you realize that
there's you know, saying it and it actually happening, or
a lot of are two different things a lot of times.
And so you know, we had some conversations and I
thought there might be a chance that that's might that
might would be what happened. But but you just you
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never know until it does. And uh yeah, when it did,
it was just it's moved, you know, it moved really
quickly from there. I like it. You what Mike would
because that is that is very Oklahoma in West Texas
and might would happened, Mike could happen Mike Lincoln Riley
joining us on the Doug Otlip Show. Okay, so you
find out, let's say eleven o'clock and you find out
you're gonna be the guy. You call your wife first?
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Who'd you call first? I did, Yeah, I called my wife. Um,
you told her had had a quick you know, you know,
you know, special conversation with her, and then honestly, it was,
you know, let's get a suit over here, let's let's
get a team meeting called. I mean, you know, we
told the team I think about two o'clock and then
had the press conference that afternoon, so it moved quickly.
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So yeah, there was a lot of people to call
him think but but that that happened a little later on.
Did you have a conversation with with Mike and I
bring it up because like, look, he brought Mike back.
Mike's been a head coach before, obviously coach do selected you?
Like was there? Did you have you guys sat down
and go like, hey, look, I don't want this to
be weird. I still you're a huge part of this,
and it's I'm sorry your brother picked me instead of you, Like,
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has that conversation taken place? We had a conversation. But
you know the thing with Mike and I, we've worked
together so well for the last two years that that
we're comfortable with each other, you know, I'm comfortable with
the job he does. I think he's been comfortable with
the job I've done. And you know, the offensive coordinator
defensive coordinator to play winning championship football half to work together.
You can't just look at its two separate, two separate entities,
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because you've got to compliment each other. You've got to understand,
you know, on game day if if one's hot or
one's not being able to help each other out. And
I mean that's just part of the deal with Mike
and I have always done that. We've got a lot
of respect for each other. And so it was actually,
you know, contrary to what people might believe, are really easy, smooth,
you know, um talk and the communication has been great
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and excited to have him here for it as our
defensive coordinator. Lincoln Riley joining us. He's the head coach
the University of Oklahoma, just thirty three years old. Um,
are you going to go into a mullet growing contest
with you know what, don't fight battles that you can't win. Yeah,
and I'm not gonna win though. I mean, that's it's
an amazing mullet Like I don't I don't have that
kind of thing going. But the Arkansas Waterfall is really
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really spectacular. You know, I've always liked Mike and always
you know, watch his programs admire him. But with this,
I would say, my my level of admiration has gone up.
So have you developed like a thing like kings very
obviously your boys trying to be sex over there? Right right,
He's he's just he's if he could recruit college age
girls and just the moms themselves, that he would get
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every player. Um, okay, So so Gundy meanwhile, he's got
kind of the you know, he's got the week discussed
kind of the waterfall, right, So, like what's gonna be
what's gonna be your thing? That's a good question. You know.
I think you gotta let it happen. I think you
can't force it. So uh yeah, we'll see, we'll see
hopefully just a lot of wins. Hey, is that your
first road game is in the Shoe how to Stay?
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Is that? Is that your first road game of your careers?
And yeah, it will be Yeah we we two we
two op in Columbus. Thanks coach. I mean, like you look,
you left you a really good team. But yeah, that's
Urban Meyer on the road really good team like that
was super young last year. It turns a ton of talent. Hey, thanks, Like, like, dude,
you you that that's that's why if it if you
haven't felt it yet, that's the day you'll feel it. Right, Yeah,
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you know probably, But I mean that's that's that's part
of Oklahoma football. You know, that's you don't We're not
going to back down from anybody, and we're gonna play
great teams. And that's uh, that's you get that when
you come here. You understand that. And so I'm excited
about it as we'll be our team. I gotta point
out there's a little bit of bob stoops and you
I almost feel like you're gonna say, certainly, no question.
Everybody knows that there's a little bit of that. If
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you right, you're around him, and you're you're around him enough,
have you have you said, hey, coach, you're always welcome here.
Is there a kind of a plan for how much
he can hang it with the program? Most definitely? Yeah,
that's that's that was a big part of it. And
you know, something he he offered up and something that
I would have asked regardless, you know, that's uh, he's
a mentor. He's a you know, a great friend. He's
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somebody that I've got no ego in this. Still I
have no problem, you know, calling him up on the phone,
calling coach Switzer up on the phone to you know,
just to get their perspective on, you know, different situations
that may come up. And not only did they do
it at a high level, but they did it at
this place and they understand it as well as anybody.
So those guys are absolutely always welcome here. And uh yeah,
I love to have the luxury of being able to
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call him and pick the brains whenever I need. You
bring up Gundey. You know, when Gunney first got the job,
he like you said, you're gonna call play? Still um
when he was called Remember there was time early on
his career where he wasn't even watching when they're playing defense.
He was over in the side talking with his quarterback.
What what have you decided? Like, Yeah, I know you're
gonna call plays, but are you going to still be
focusing on defense and special teams? Are you gonna go
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with your quarterback while the team is playing defense? Now
we'll get the you know. The nice thing is, you
know Baker and I have have done this here together
for a while, so we'll we'll get the adjustments made quickly,
even even maybe adjustments where we're not havn't actually sit
on the bench, but we're you know, we get the
adjustments made potentially, you know, on the TV time outs
all that time. But while the game is going on,
I'm gonna be I'm gonna be locked in with our defense,
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locked in with our special teams, and I'm ready to
manage it from a from a head coaching standpoint. Well, man, listen,
I wish you the best of luck with the exception
of one game during the season. And and uh and
you know, I'm sure Sloan. I don't know how excited
your little little girl is, but between her and your
and your wife that they're gonna be fired up. It's
gonna be an outstanding season. For your rooting, for you always,
for the young guys getting a shot. We appreciate you
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being our guests. Absolutely. Thank you. Doug Lincoln Riley, head
coach at OUTH. Be sure to catch live editions of
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Chris Bruce is gonna join us. Upcoming in twenty minutes.
(00:24):
We'll talk about Friday night's game, and we'll talk about
tonight's game. Plus uh, interesting, interesting idea that NFL agents
are coming up with so that we don't have to
have the Topper. You know, the most annoying thing in
life is right where you know, Topper guy. Topper guys
like look, I end I get it because at at
(00:47):
our hearts were all kids and I had to deal
with this. I was home for a couple of days
this weekend, um as we make the transition. I'm transitioning
from Connecticut to southern California's been a couple a couple
of extra days at home and was dealing with like
I have twin daughters are eleven years old, and I
have one it's a little bit more socially mature than
the other one. And the one that's a little bit
more socially mature. Doesn't understand why does my sister always
(01:11):
have to one up me? Why does she always have
to say something is better than mine? I was like,
because she's playing Topper. And then I went to a party,
which like my wife's like, let's go down the street
to this part. Like, I just want to be home
and grill. I want to grow meet on my own grill. Anyway,
I mean, I got this big green egg thing. I
want to fire that sucker up. Man. Anyway, I'm sitting
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there next to a guy and I'm I'm listening to
guys be Topper guy, you know, like, oh boy, you know,
like I love my new car. What kind of cars
that's Alexis? Oh yeah, I got a new Tesla with
the ludicrous mode. They're just like Topper arrogant. And then
I'm on the plane flying from New York to l
A and I got Topper guy going behind me. Alright,
one guy went to n y U. The other guy
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went to Ivyle went to Columbia. Uh. You know, one
guy wrote a screenplay and the other guy hard in
the movie, Like I'm like a Topper guy. It's one
of the crazy things, especially about dudes, and I think
women do the same thing. The old idea keeping up
with the Joneses some interesting ideas from NFL agents so
that we don't have to have every new contract be
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greater than the contract before, even when the quarterback that
signs that contract not actually be great. We'll get to
that upcoming about thirty minutes from now. I want to
dive deep into a game that took place Friday night.
There's this weird thing about Friday night sporting events. Usually
they got caught in the wash, right, like there's no
real sport. There is sports radio on Saturdays. Jason McIntyre
(02:37):
has a show on Saturdays. I know because Ryan Music
used to produce it was my producer now, and because
Jason McIntyre when he's on continuously plugs his own show.
There is sports radio on Saturday, but the heavy hitters,
the yakkers, the hot takers there, we don't pay attention
Saturdays in May and June. Like, dude, I'm off to
the beach, I'm off the lake. I'm doing some honey. Dude,
(02:59):
my wife's in a tag sail. That's yard sale. If
you're not from the East coast. Yeah, we got all
this stuff going on, so we don't get to lock in.
Friday night was a culmination, a perfect storm, if you will,
for the Cleveland Cavaliers to finally win a game. First,
Cleveland shot the eyes out of the basketball right, seven
threes in the first half second. The officiating was a
(03:21):
complete and utter joke. It was a debacle. The Cavaliers
shot twenty two first quarter free throws first quarter free throws. Uh.
The Golden State Warriors shot the ball poorly, turned the
ball over, didn't seem like they were ready for the
aggressiveness of the Cavaliers. They thought it was a coronation.
(03:44):
Turns out it was a street fight. They didn't lace
up their gloves. They were like, um, uh, remember when
Butch who did Butch knock out? In pulp fiction? Where
the guy didn't even lace up his gloves. You can
feel free to tweet me at lip show. I know
I should know this. He didn't even lace Um, yeah,
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I know he didn't. I should know who who it is.
It wasn't zeb Zeb's dead, right, zed Zed's dead. Wasn't
zed And it wasn't Um, what's this? What's the what's
the what's the guy? Who get with the zipper mask
and whatever the creepy stuff was? Oh man, anyway, somebody
(04:32):
I am. You guys don't want how many times? What
pick in your life? I know if you're not the gimp. Okay,
it's not Marcellus Wallace. Who Zed is the police officer?
Is I get? No? No, not no? Zed had the chopper.
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It's Zed Chopper. Who's Zed? Baby Zed's dead? Baby Zed's dead? Remember.
And the most annoying character ever is Butch's girlfriend fiance
whatever she is with her accent, it's a terrible fake accent.
It's not good. Who's the fighter? Who Butch knocks? Anyway,
That's who the Golden State Warriors were on Friday Night.
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They were ready for the fight. And that game was physical,
That game was terribly officiated, that game was owned in
the eighties. Six point first half of the Golden State Warriors.
Six points that really happened, forty nine points in the
first quarter, and so um, a couple of things, just takeaways.
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Is this really simple thought. We'll talk coming up about
how much pressure I believe is now shifted to the
Golden State Warriors Chris Broussard in moments, but more than anything.
To any of you who don't really understand or aren't
willing to admit that basketball has changed. That was more
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in line with how the NBA used to be played,
not the three pointers. And I will grant you that
there wouldn't a team that's gonna shoot seven, make make twelve,
to shoot twelve, make seven threes in a quarter going back,
you know, twenty years ago. But to anyone who says like, oh,
they couldn't, you couldn't stop Golden State with Ron Harper
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and Michael Jordan's, Scottie Pippen and Tony Ko coach and
Dennis Rodman. Watch Game four. That's why all these old
players they're talking in code. They can't really kind of
put their finger on it. Now you can. That's what
it used to look like, where brutally physical, brutally physical,
(06:45):
the fouls were harder, the hand checking was even more
severe than we saw on Friday night. And look, that's
not how basketball has been played in this last decade
in the NBA, with the exception of a couple of
games in the regular season and a couple of games
in the playoffs and several games in the NBA Finals.
So if you want to go cliche. Look the Calves,
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you're if you're the Warriors, you're gonna have to beat them.
They're not gonna beat themselves. They're not gonna let You're
gonna have to beat them, and you're gonna have to
physically stand up to the challenge of the Calves tonight.
But the reason that so many old school players are
coming out putting their teeth in, going, you know my
team from nineteen forty seven when whoop two Warriors? Yet
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you know we would we would put it and we
would hammer them. Why are they all saying it. It's
not because they have some nostalgia. It's because they know
that's how basketball was played. And when you watch the
Warriors played that style of basketball, the Warriors are not
nearly as effective on the offensive side of the ball,
and they're an offensive dominant team. Makes sense. And so
(07:53):
I have a bunch of questions. How will the game
be officiated tonight? How will Steph Curry play tonight? Played poorly?
Will Kybrie Irving can continue to light the world on fire?
Last two games? He's been ridiculous? Oh my, are we going?
Let's get physical? Olivia Newton, John, did I hear that
that was like early eighties. She was a smunk show
(08:16):
in the early ages whenn't she? But I I think
we got a series, and I know we have one
if if the Calves can steal one tonight, Physic Girl,
I want to get Physic Girl. Let me hear you
about it. To man, we got a good show for you.
(08:38):
Aaron Judge hit a baseball that hasn't landed yet. I'll
tell you why he's going to save regular season baseball.
Huh yes, Ryan Music, Twitter has chimed in. It was
Floyd Wilson. Floyd Wilson And by the way, I was right,
Z is the guy who's the cop who ends up
getting killed and had the chopper. The cop had the chopper?
(09:00):
M Z was Z was Z's the one who pulls
out the gimp? I thought, I thought Z in the gimp.
I thought he owned like a gun shop. And then Marcia,
that's not z. No, Z's the cop? Who who the
guy who owns the shop calls? That's right, who's the
(09:21):
guy who owns the shop? I had no idea. You
look on IMDb. I don't know. My biggest takeaway Friday
is one the officiating was a joke, right, like, I
don't think the thing is rigged, but if it was rigged,
that's what a rigged game looked like. A right, don't
get me wrong. Like Cleveland shot the ball so incredibly well,
but one of the reasons they shot the ball well
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was anytime Golden State got anywhere near him, they were
called for a foul and then sometimes Cleveland just run
over him, throw their arms in the air. And there
was one a mon shop like I was sitting there
with my wife, who she doesn't get. She doesn't care
who wins. She hates that Steph Curry choose on her
mouth piece. He choose on his mouthpiece, Like she can't stand, like,
would you just put the mouthpiece and or spit it
out like easy? She's nope. But she thought of mon schumper,
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you remember what himn shupper and Steph kind of grabbing
him for a second and then he completely flopped. She's like,
that is ridiculous. He should be thrown out for that flop.
J hates flopping. She's kind of old school. But between
the contact and the post, the physicality by which Kevin
Love played with Lebron played with Richard Jefferson coming and
throwing his body around. Uh, Dante Jones talking issue over
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there on the sideline, Like it's pretty obvious that Cleveland
has finally decided to go along with my game plan,
which is you can't beat them just skill for skill.
They're more skilled than you are. You gotta get if
you think that was something, you gotta get more aggressive emotionally, physically, mentally, verbally.
Here's their coach, you know, hidden and being physical and
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just saying that they did to us in the first
three games. We gotta do that. And last game in
game four, I thought that's who we are. I'm gotta
be physical if he's talking trash or you know, knocking
guys on the floor, whatever you gotta do. We gotta
do what. We gotta be physical. I can't take a
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quick little story here and then we'll go on Bruce
Sar real quick story. Uh do you Ryan Music just
graduated from college like last month high school actually high
school and you were not my graduation? What was your sorry?
I wasn't my only do you speaker? What is what's
your what was your favorite class in college? Television news
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like journalism or something like that. If you put any
of that to work, Okay, I decided to shake Radio. No,
but but you you did you like that was your
favorite class? Yeah? I thought it was a lot of fun.
Rahma's Rama's your favorite class you've ever taken? Your history? History?
Rahmos by the way, super interesting guy. Like all of
a sudden, like he switches to like, he goes some like,
Rahmos is a great laugh laugh guy. And then all
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of a sudden he goes like history. Would you like that?
I'm like, oh my god, so much smarter than me.
I don't want embarrass this my favorite class ever. So
I went Notre Dame, then went to junior college for
a year, then went to Oklahoma State. Favorite class ever
was at Golden West Junior College. It was the history
of rock and roll. And what that song reminds me
of is even the term rock and roll is actually
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means like sex, right, Like it was rock and roll,
like Jake rattle roll. What do you think that's actually about?
Like all these songs, And I remember, like the first
day in class, he's playing all these different songs and
he's like, what's this song about, what's this song about?
What's and they're all about the same thing. Uh. Frankie
goes to Hollywood Frankie says, relax, you know, like go
back and listen to the words. You're like, oh my god,
that was on the radio. That was like twelve and
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I was saying it next to my mom and now
I'm totally grossed out. Anyway, That's what that song reminds
me out right, because I thought of it like it's
like a robe aerobic workout. Let's get physical physically, and
then you're like, wait a second, that's not what it's about. Uh.
What the game was about Friday night was to me,
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this is the only way the Calves can beat make
Draymond beat you, make all their ancillary parts beat you,
and then beat the hell out of their stars and
dare the officials to call a foul on you, and
instead the opposite happened. And oh yeah, by the way,
they threw in some crazy shots. Be sure to catch
live editions of The Doug gott Leaps Show weekdays at
three pm Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and
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the I Heart Radio app. Let's get the Chris Brussard
by away from Fox Sports. You know, he knows NBA,
he knows all those sports as well. He has his
own show on the weekends here on Fox Sports Radio.
You see him on all the Fox Sports one TV
shows as well. Chris Uh, what was your biggest takeaway
from Game four of the NBA Finals on Friday night.
I would say that Cleveland, I thought played with great physicality.
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I thought, um, they played with a sense of urgency
and hustle, um that they hadn't played within the first
at least the first two games. And I actually thought
it was more intense then they played in Game three,
which they had a chance to win. And I thought
that the game was bitter sweet for Cash fans because
on the one hand, obviously you're happy that you won
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and excited, But if I'm a Cass fan, I'm looking
at that game and I'm saying, where was this defense,
defensive intensity, Where was this game plan of bottling up
Steph double the team in him making Draymond shoot? Where
was the hustle? Where was Tristan Thompson's rebounding and aggressiveness?
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Where was all that in the first three games? Because
this I think the series still is over and Golden
States going to win, and so I'm like, why are
we in such a hole? A three or three oh hole?
If we could have done that. You're not gonna shoot
from three every night. I get that. But the other
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things they could have done better, They could have done
those throughout the series. And I gotta be honest too,
I don't so really don't like hearing the Cass players
say that what Draymond Green said excite didn't motivated them.
I mean, first of all, what he said wasn't anything crazy. Secondly,
you're in the NBA Finals. It shouldn't take somebody saying
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they want to close you out at home to get
you to play at your fever pitch. And so those
for all things I took away from that Game four.
And if the Calves lose this series, not that they
could have beaten Gold say, I think that will mean
Gold Stags just a better team, But I think they
would be like kicking themselves because apparently they didn't bring
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it in the first three games as much as they
could have. It's a great point. Chris Bruce are joining
this from Fox Sports. Um, how much of an effect
do you think the officiating had in the game. Well,
it was bad, there's no doubt about that. I mean,
let's just go to the elephant in the room. I
guess I mean Draymond Green, Like was that first technical
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on Draymond or on cur I still I mean, I
know they're saying Kurt, but there's still some confusion over that.
Zaza for Julia, I thought should have been ejected for
hitting Emain Shumper where he hit him in the man's zone.
So I thought the referee was poor. Although I will
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say this, I liked the feist inness. I like seeing
Lebron and k D in each other's face. I like
the players kind of the bad blood, if you will.
It kind of reminded me of like Laker Celtics in
the eighties. Um and I thought it was really really good.
I hope tonight is like that as well. But as
far as the outcome of the game, I don't think,
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you know, I don't take anything from Cleveland. I think
they just shot the lights out and played better on
the other end of the floor as well. Can I
don't know if you can, you can, I give you
my little quick takeaway. And I don't know if you
saw it like on Twitter, and I said it on
on Calling show Chris Brus John Sto Gotlic show, Fox
Sports Radio. This actually gives Game four gave credence to
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the old fool teams who said, hey, look all this
stuff is cute, but with our rules, it would is
a completely different game, isn't that Like, Look, there was
a lot more threes, a lot more high possessions. It
was a higher possession game, and both teams end up
scoring a ton of points. But doesn't this give credibility
to the idea that Steph Curry wouldn't be Steph Curry
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if not for the rules changes. That's a great point.
I'll say this, Um. I definitely think those great teams
of the path that have all said they would beat
the Warriors, remember their thinking of their game and their rules,
and if they did play the Warriors under their rules,
hand checking, much more physical play, you can get drill
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when you go into the lane to the basket, they
would beat the Warriors. There. There's no doubt in my
mind they would beat this Warrior's team. The question is,
if you play by today's rules, would they be able
to keep up with this Warrior's team. But I think
you make a great point when you look at these
teams of the past that have said that they could
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beat the Warriors if they were allowed to be as
physical with them as they were in the past, then
they would definitely cause them some problems. And I think
your point is well taken. You pointed out something really
smart that I noticed, and that's that they're trying to
make make Draymond Green beat them. Like Draymond gets the ball,
brings up the court, and they're not letting him pass,
they're making him score. And it's interesting to me because
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I know you've pointed out the stat that Jordan only
played against was at nine Hall of Famers or something
like that, right, yes, nine and his six finals trip,
And I said Lebron has played. Now obviously that was
likely Hall of Famers, not no one's in yet, right
and and and also and looked while that's a legitimate
possibility statistically, like I think we operate under this assumption
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that Draymond is a Hall of Famer, It isn't he
at least I don't know. Isn't he getting exposed as
being a guy who he's a really really good role player.
He's a great role player, but he you can't put
him on his own team, and he ain't gonna score
twenty a game and carry a team like that's not
who he is. The only way he gets into the
Hall of Fame is if they win a bunch of championships,
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and and that's probably true for Clay too. You know,
I think it's Draymond's case is very similar to Dennis Robin.
Dennis Rodman was a spectacular role player, just like Draymond
in a different way. But he was a role player
like Draymond who had a great impact. If he hadn't
won those championships, he's not in the Hall of Fame.
But didnt he went? He won? He won two in Detroit,
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then he wanted the three with the Bulls, and then
did he win in San Antonio? Didn't he win one
in San Antonio as well? No, he he was in.
He was on those teams with David Robinson Rod Strickland,
But no, he didn't win it. Remember they didn't win
any championships that group. Yeah, and even if you remember,
I mean, obviously he was good Detroit, but he wouldn't
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if he hadn't gotten that three t with the Bulls,
he wouldn't have got in the Hall of Fame based
on you know, those two rings with Detroit off the
first year. But he also he led the league in rebounding,
Like I don't know, like eight straight years and two
time defense. But it's it's it's a very it's they're
different players. There's an interesting parallel in the importance of
their role, uh to, to this team. Okay, So then
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the last and maybe most important question is this um
does Golden State get tight tonight? I mean, they lose
tonight and all of a sudden we You can't tell
me there's not a whole world of pressure on them,
but I don't know they lose. If they lose tonight,
I think you can make a strong argument that Cleveland's
favorite now to win the series. I mean, it would
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sound crazy. You're still down three too, but you know,
I mean, look, this is my take. Losing one game
on the road when the opponent shoots at his store,
great that we may never see again. It's nothing to
get alarmed about. Okay. But so I think they should
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go into night's game feeling good about themselves and like,
let's let's close the team out at home and take
our championship. But if they lose tonight, that will be
five straight elimination games to the Calves that they have lost.
And remember Kevin Durant, even though it was to Cleveland.
That will be five straight elimination games that he has
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failed to close out Steph Curry in. In those four
previous elimination games against Cleveland, he shot thirty five percent
from the floor from three and Kevin Durant last for
elimination games, three of them obviously against Golden State, he
has shot thirty nine percent from three. So if they
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lose tonight, I think that it will definitely get in
their heads and they're gonna have a lot of mental
gymnastics to go through to win the series. Last thing,
are you one of these Lebrons should be m VP
regardless of whether or not they win. Of those guys,
I just I'm sorry. I mean, call me old fashioned
or whatever. I think you have to win. I think
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you have to be on the winning team. Now, who's
the best player in the series? Clearly Lebron? You think so? Wait?
Wait you think I thought? I thought Durant was clearly
the better player of the first three games. I mean
Lebron's average in a triple double. He's the only player
when when he There was an article today I read
in the Wall Street Tournal Lebron has been on the
floor a hundred sixty six minutes, the Cavaliers are plus
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six in those one sixty six when he's the only
Cavaliers player with a positive plus minus in the twenty
six minutes. Now, that's just twenty six minutes over four
games that he's been off the floor that has have
been outscored by twenty five points. And so Kyrie, Irvin,
who has been great, right by all of our measurements
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or by all of our opinions, he has the worst
plus minus in the entire series. So I think that
just shows how ridiculous plus minus can be. Like he
to me, he was the biggest key factor in games
three and four Lebron. Lebron made ten of his first
eleven shots in Game three and then he tired badly
when he made five of his next like sixteen shots
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in Game three. Kyrie carried them in the third quarter
there and he carried them. He had forty points. He
carried them offensively. In Game four. Like I, I, plus
minus is an important stat. It's not the end all,
be all and to those but you don't So you
don't think Lebron, So you think Kyrie has been bigger
for the I think Kevin Durant has been a better player,
like we just I watched the first three games. I
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was like, well, Kevin Durant played better, especially play better
when it mattered in the second half. Was Yeah, Game
three he was certainly better. So are you of the
opinion that he is surpassed, you know, assuming he plays
well and they close it out. Do you think he's
now the best player in the world. He's played better
than him in three of four games, and he was
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And here's the crazy thing about plus minus, right, he
had a minus twenty two plus minus in game four
Clay Thompson and minus seven. He was a lot better.
He was the only guy offensively who was doing anything
for the Golden State where he carried them. So plus
minus is not always not always a telling stat because
there's all sorts of uh, there's there's all sorts of
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other factors into what your plus minus is. So do
I think he's overall better player. I think he's a
better offensive player. I do I think he fits score? Yeah,
I mean obviously he's a better ball he's I think
he's a better I think he's a better I think
he's a better ball handler. Um, I think Lebron is
probably a better passer. But it's not it's not it's
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it's not so much better that it even like I
just I don't know, like we we judge everybody else
based upon go ahead. I don't think the Rant can
control a game like Lebron. Obviously, as you say, he's
a better score, he's a at a shooter, but he
can't control a game running offense like Lebron does. We
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have never seen him do that. I think the passing
is a huge difference, um. Even though Durant is not
a bad passer, UM, and I think that you know
you played at a high level, Durant has so much
less responsibility. That's the thing. I mean, Durant can have
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an average night and this team could win. Lebron has
to be phenomenal every night for the Cavaliers to win
in this series, except for the fact that he actually hasn't.
He hasn't had an average night like Duran has had.
He's been great, and he's had more responsibility defensively, and
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he stepped up to the challenge like he is protected.
Don't you think he can? But at the same time,
I can throw Iguadolla, Clay Draymond or Lebron and give
Durant a rest Lebron has jeff started to get some
relief from Garden Durant because now Jefferson is actually doing
a decent job. But I just think Lebron has to
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do so much more because he doesn't have the three
off star teammates that Durant does. He's got to So
I'm not trying to cry tears for him, but I
just think he's still got to carry a lot bigger
little where I will agree with you is this Durant is.
Certainly it's easier to fit him into a system because
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he is a catchy, can catch and shoot. He's you know,
can move without the basketball and do those things better
uh than Lebron. Lebron tends to become your system, don't
you think? You know? And that maybe that's part of
why his team struggle so badly when he's off the floor,
because whenever Lebron is on your team, whether it was Cleveland,
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Miami or now Cleveland again, the system is Lebron, whereas
in Golden State, Durant is not the system. Step does
not the system. The System's great point Chris brus Sorry
check out his radio show weekends on Fox Sport trade.
Of course, check him out on Fox Sports. Will be
on Disputer tomorrow. I'm sure he'll be on Collin cow
Heard tomorrow as well, and on Speak for Yourself tomorrow,
(27:12):
all on Fox Sports one. And you can see him
on Twitter reading stuff on Twitter. Chris, thanks so much
for joining us. Really appreciated. It's a Chris brus already.
He's awesome. Be sure to catch live editions of The
Doug gott Leaves Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
I saw this story which I thought was interesting. So
Jason Cole of Bleacher Report recently noted that some agents
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and people within the nfl p A. Remember this is
agents and the NFL p A are increasingly suggesting that
star players linked their contracts to a percentage of the cap. Alright, so,
and it says it will happen only when a great
player has maximum leverage, presumably hitting the hitting the open market,
and creating a land rush for his services. It probably
(27:53):
also needs to be a franchise quarterback. Remember aanon Rodgers
last week, he came out as like, I'm not under
pay pay what I'm worth it kind of he took
the high road. I'm not getting into that. Uh, Andrew
Lux already got his new deal. The idea is, and
maybe this goes to an Odell Beckhams Jr. Maybe it
goes to a Derek Carr. The agents are like, look,
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we don't have to keep increasing what you make. Let's
just tie it to the salary cap. So they always
the franchise quarterback always gets a certain chunk of the
salary cap five ten percent, fiftcent salary cap goes up,
they get a raise. Um, this seems to be a
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completely pro player deal and that to me, it won't
happen if it does. NFL teams are smart like, look,
if you want to link your salary to the salary cap,
that's fine, we can do that, but we're gonna cut
down on the guarantees. And guarantees helped teams because it
doesn't go in against a salary cap number and allows
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them to get many other players to surround the quarterback
or running back. With guarantees help players because even though
NFL players would tell you our contracts aren't guaranteed, that's
a bunch of bull. There are guarantees within the contracts.
It's just how much leverage that they have. And so
if if an agent goes to an NFL team and says, hey,
we want some guarantee, we want some money locked in
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percentage wise of the salary cap. If I'm an NFL team,
I'm going, great, sweet, we'll give you five percent of
the cap, but we're not going to give you the
guarantees that we were gonna give you anyone. So I
think we're still a long way from this happening. And
it's one of those sounds like a great idea from
the NFL p A and players side. Reality of it is,
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you don't want to have a quarterback under that type
of contract by the time he's You just don't. You
don't want a guy under contract for more than two
or three years. Case in point, Conn Kaepernick, case in point,
Jake Cutler, case in point Kirk Cousins. Like they're good,
they're fine, they're not superstars, right Jer's is the only
guy who could be that guy, and I just don't
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see him turning down the guaranteed money of a signing bonus,
of a roster bonus so that he can link in
for a long term deal to continue to get money
as a salary cap increases. Fox Sports Radio has the
best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of
our shows at Fox Sports Radio dot com and within
the I Heart Radio app. Lincoln Riley joins US now.
(30:26):
He's the new head coach of the University of Oklahoma's
only thirty three years old, so he doesn't have this
kind of built up baggage of negative you know, these
negative things. Lincoln, how are you? I'm great, I'm great. Doug,
how you doing good? Man? So have you moved your
stuff into the office yet? I am I'm actually sitting
in there right now. Yeah, it's uh spot for sure.
Have you started to soak up like you're sitting in
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the chair it's not the same chair. That would be
really interesting. Bud Wilkinson, Barry Switzer, Bob Stoops, Lincoln Riley
has that sunk in yet? Yeah? You know, no, And
I don't know that it ever will, you know. I
mean it's uh, you know, you feel that when you
when you walk into this program. I felt it two
(31:08):
years ago, just you know, the sense of responsibility to
uphold with all the other great coaches and players have
done here, you know, and it's just that kind of
place and that kind of program. So yeah, you know,
to be the head coach here is really really special.
I'm thrilled about it, but I know I've also got to,
you know, take it one day at a time and
just try to do the best I can day today.
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That's Lincoln Riley, head coach University of Oklahoma. He's from
Mules Shoe, Texas. The Mules was your your high school mascot, right, mu, Now,
mules Shoe was like, it's not flat. It's not like
in the flat. It's like elevated. Right, It's a little
bit cooler than other parts of Texas in it it's
pretty flat. It's pretty flat. Now we're you know, kind
of it's on the cap rock a little bit, so
(31:49):
a little elevated, but it's it's pretty flat. And I
would say typical. Uh, you know West Texas, great town,
great people, small town. I love their sports, love football. Um,
you know, it was a great place to be raised. Okay,
So like is there a sonic there? I mean, like
we do we have a sonic? Um? We got McDonald's
like halfway through I think my high school career, and
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that was that was big time news. I can promise
you that I bring up my wife's from UM and
I don't know how much you've been into central Oklahoma
outside of Cushing. This is called town called drum Right,
Drum Rights from She's from the suburbs of drum Right.
Like are you from, like downtown Muleshoe? Are you from?
Like is there some other little community that that's really
where you grew up? And he went to some regional
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school before you went to high school. Now, now, straight up,
I would we didn't live I would say downtown, but
but yeah, we're right there in the heart of the
city and was there, was there all through my my
entire career. Okay, So then you went to Tech, you
went to Lubbock, which in West Texas. Like that's the
big town, right, Like you went there, You're like, this
is the biggest place I've I've ever been. That's right,
It's all relative. Okay. So the first time you met
(32:53):
Mike Leach, uh, give me the give me the meeting,
the first time you met coach Leaks. It's pretty funny, actually, um,
so our first quarterback meeting, I walked on um and
I remember our first quarterback meeting and I've got my
I've got my notepad and uh, you know, I'm just like, wow,
I'm getting ready to you know, this college football. I'm
a small town kid, you know, just never really even
(33:15):
know if you'd be something like this, and so I'm
feel thinking this is gonna be just an incredibly profound meeting.
And so we get in there the first day and
and um, he puts in h he puts in a
dip and uh and he puts in you know up
from Millshore, Texas. So I've seen a guy put in
a dip before. I mean that wasn't you know, anything
anything different. But he puts in the biggest dip of
(33:35):
any human being I've ever seen. And I'm kind of
sitting there with my eyes wide open. And he so
he starts talking to us, and he starts talking to
us about you know, about about dip and about the
different you know, different ways you know that that that, uh,
you know, the different kinds and all. You know, if
you've talked to Mike before, he he's got a pretty good,
you know, pretty crazy point of view on everything. Well,
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the entire meeting goes by, Um it's just like an
hour and a half and I would say probably an
hour and twenty five minutes were devoted to dip. So
I go out there on the first practice field thinking
what is going on here? You know, this is crazy?
And but that was him, you know, and he uh
obviously was a great coach. Was was a great you
know mentor to me as far as giving me my
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my first chances and and certainly always kept it interesting. Okay,
So what was his dip of choice? He didn't like?
He was he a redman? Man? Was his skull? What
was he? What was he doing? Now? At that point
it was Copenhagen. It was it was straight Copenhagen. So yeah,
that was that was a great and great first meeting.
So yeah, that's for you. Yeah, that that is Wait,
who sings there is somebody who? Wait, what's the singer
(34:39):
who sings a song about copen Copenhagen? There's yeah, yeah, exactly,
there you go. I'll remember. I'll remember it before Lincoln
Riley joining us on the Doug Gottlib Show. Alright, so
you're at you're at East Caroline. You joined uh coach
Leech's staff after walking on there. Then you're at East
Carolina working for Rough and McNeil. How did how did
it work? Where? Uh? Because you were a hand selected
(35:01):
Bye bye, Bob stoops, like, how did it work where
he found you and you guys came into contact and
you came to work for him. You know, it happened,
It was It was interesting. It happened pretty quick after
our after our bowl game that year, and uh, you know,
coach had had just decided to make a couple of
changes here, and he just started with the phone call.
I was on my way back home after the bowl
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game with my wife back to West Texas just to
see some family, and uh I was driving and phone
call with the four or five air code and picked
it up and now and then you know, we had
a good initial talk. And uh you know, I think
he had, you know, had kept an eye on on
some of us guys that have been you know, in
the same tree. Uh. You know that he had gotten
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Mike and some of the other coaches from and uh
as far as kind of that what used to be
called kind of the air Raide tree, and uh, yeah,
we had enough success there that I think, you know,
I've been brought to his attention. Um. And so yeah,
we had a great talk and then came up to Norman,
I don't know, come days later and had a great
visit with him and the staff, and it just everything
seemed to fit. You know, It's interesting. I pointed this
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out when he retired last week that among the things
that I don't think get discussed enough, and you tell
me Lincoln Riley joining us head coach at Oklahoma, is
that of all the things that Bob Stoops brought to
the Big Twelve, no one threw the ball. I was there.
I was a student at Oklahoma State and they came
in and Leech was the offensive. Cordner came in from Kentucky,
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and now I did no one throw the ball. But
none of the none of the high level schools, none
of the oh used, the Texas is, the Alabama's, the
l s used, the Michigan's, the Ohio State. They still
don't really do it. But none of them ran spread.
And by uh, he validated the spread offense by bringing
Leech in. And I know they tinkered with it when
Kevin Wilson came in, and there's been all different machinations
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to it. But isn't that maybe one of the more
understated parts of what happened with Oklahoma football was, Yes,
the defense of special teams with him and his brother
was great, but in being willing to change of insively
and try something different than anybody else had tried. It
forever changed college football starting at OU, There's no question.
I mean, I think that's a large part of his
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impact that you know, the offense was starting to circulate
a little bit around not lesser programs, but not programs
maybe though with the history and the caliber of Oklahoma,
and it was really the first time that it got
to that level and and then started, you know, consistently
producing championships like it's done here, and so yeah, I think,
you know, for him, especially a defensive minded head coach
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that had that background thought to have that kind of
foresight and understand you know, that that was the direction
that the game was going, and to bring that advantage
to a place like Oklahoma was he was ahead of
his time, and you're you're right, it started a trend
that I don't think's going anywhere. When when did you know?
I mean, we found out last week, but there's some
talk that he had purchased I guess purchased a condo
(37:52):
in Chicago. Like the timing is unique. When did when
did you know that you were going to be the guy? Oh?
I knew I knew for sure about eleven o'clock the
day had happened. Um, I didn't. We'd had some talks
and the just you know, immediate, you know, just a
few days before that that I thought, you know, that
(38:13):
might be what he was gonna do, and that might
be what would happen. But you know, as a coach,
you kind of you prepare yourself because sometimes you have
those conversations or things come up and you realize that
there's you know, saying it and it actually happening, or
a lot of are two different things a lot of times.
And so you know, we had some conversations and I
thought there might be a chance that that's might that
might would be what happened. But but you just you
(38:35):
never know until it does. And uh yeah, when it did,
it was just it's moved, you know, it moved really
quickly from there. I like it. You what Mike would
because that is that is very Oklahoma in West Texas
and might would happened, Mike could happen Mike Lincoln Riley
joining us on the Doug Otlip Show. Okay, so you
find out, let's say eleven o'clock and you find out
you're gonna be the guy. You call your wife first?
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Who'd you call first? I did, Yeah, I called my wife. Um,
you told her had had a quick you know, you know,
you know, special conversation with her, and then honestly, it was,
you know, let's get a suit over here, let's let's
get a team meeting called. I mean, you know, we
told the team I think about two o'clock and then
had the press conference that afternoon, so it moved quickly.
(39:16):
So yeah, there was a lot of people to call
him think but but that that happened a little later on.
Did you have a conversation with with Mike and I
bring it up because like, look, he brought Mike back.
Mike's been a head coach before, obviously coach do selected you?
Like was there? Did you have you guys sat down
and go like, hey, look, I don't want this to
be weird. I still you're a huge part of this,
and it's I'm sorry your brother picked me instead of you, Like,
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has that conversation taken place? We had a conversation. But
you know the thing with Mike and I, we've worked
together so well for the last two years that that
we're comfortable with each other, you know, I'm comfortable with
the job he does. I think he's been comfortable with
the job I've done. And you know, the offensive coordinator
defensive coordinator to play winning championship football half to work together.
You can't just look at its two separate, two separate entities,
(40:02):
because you've got to compliment each other. You've got to understand,
you know, on game day if if one's hot or
one's not being able to help each other out. And
I mean that's just part of the deal with Mike
and I have always done that. We've got a lot
of respect for each other. And so it was actually,
you know, contrary to what people might believe, are really easy, smooth,
you know, um talk and the communication has been great
(40:24):
and excited to have him here for it as our
defensive coordinator. Lincoln Riley joining us. He's the head coach
the University of Oklahoma, just thirty three years old. Um,
are you going to go into a mullet growing contest
with you know what, don't fight battles that you can't win. Yeah,
and I'm not gonna win though. I mean, that's it's
an amazing mullet Like I don't I don't have that
kind of thing going. But the Arkansas Waterfall is really
(40:46):
really spectacular. You know, I've always liked Mike and always
you know, watch his programs admire him. But with this,
I would say, my my level of admiration has gone up.
So have you developed like a thing like kings very
obviously your boys trying to be sex over there? Right right,
He's he's just he's if he could recruit college age
girls and just the moms themselves, that he would get
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every player. Um, okay, So so Gundy meanwhile, he's got
kind of the you know, he's got the week discussed
kind of the waterfall, right, So, like what's gonna be
what's gonna be your thing? That's a good question. You know.
I think you gotta let it happen. I think you
can't force it. So uh yeah, we'll see, we'll see
hopefully just a lot of wins. Hey, is that your
first road game is in the Shoe how to Stay?
(41:27):
Is that? Is that your first road game of your careers?
And yeah, it will be Yeah we we two we
two op in Columbus. Thanks coach. I mean, like you look,
you left you a really good team. But yeah, that's
Urban Meyer on the road really good team like that
was super young last year. It turns a ton of talent. Hey, thanks, Like, like, dude,
you you that that's that's why if it if you
haven't felt it yet, that's the day you'll feel it. Right, Yeah,
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you know probably, But I mean that's that's that's part
of Oklahoma football. You know, that's you don't We're not
going to back down from anybody, and we're gonna play
great teams. And that's uh, that's you get that when
you come here. You understand that. And so I'm excited
about it as we'll be our team. I gotta point
out there's a little bit of bob stoops and you
I almost feel like you're gonna say, certainly, no question.
Everybody knows that there's a little bit of that. If
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you right, you're around him, and you're you're around him enough,
have you have you said, hey, coach, you're always welcome here.
Is there a kind of a plan for how much
he can hang it with the program? Most definitely? Yeah,
that's that's that was a big part of it. And
you know, something he he offered up and something that
I would have asked regardless, you know, that's uh, he's
a mentor. He's a you know, a great friend. He's
(42:31):
somebody that I've got no ego in this. Still I
have no problem, you know, calling him up on the phone,
calling coach Switzer up on the phone to you know,
just to get their perspective on, you know, different situations
that may come up. And not only did they do
it at a high level, but they did it at
this place and they understand it as well as anybody.
So those guys are absolutely always welcome here. And uh yeah,
I love to have the luxury of being able to
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call him and pick the brains whenever I need. You
bring up Gundey. You know, when Gunney first got the job,
he like you said, you're gonna call play? Still um
when he was called Remember there was time early on
his career where he wasn't even watching when they're playing defense.
He was over in the side talking with his quarterback.
What what have you decided? Like, Yeah, I know you're
gonna call plays, but are you going to still be
focusing on defense and special teams? Are you gonna go
(43:15):
with your quarterback while the team is playing defense? Now
we'll get the you know. The nice thing is, you
know Baker and I have have done this here together
for a while, so we'll we'll get the adjustments made quickly,
even even maybe adjustments where we're not havn't actually sit
on the bench, but we're you know, we get the
adjustments made potentially, you know, on the TV time outs
all that time. But while the game is going on,
I'm gonna be I'm gonna be locked in with our defense,
(43:37):
locked in with our special teams, and I'm ready to
manage it from a from a head coaching standpoint. Well, man, listen,
I wish you the best of luck with the exception
of one game during the season. And and uh and
you know, I'm sure Sloan. I don't know how excited
your little little girl is, but between her and your
and your wife that they're gonna be fired up. It's
gonna be an outstanding season. For your rooting, for you always,
for the young guys getting a shot. We appreciate you
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being our guests. Absolutely. Thank you. Doug Lincoln Riley, head
coach at OUTH. Be sure to catch live editions of
the Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three pm Eastern
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