The Cavaliers Drama Continues, And The Latest on CTE

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the New York Times report on research being done on
CTE studies. While the numbers may not in reality when
the scientific study is actually done, may not be as
bad as they appear to be, they're definitely not good.

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And football guy, that football doesn't cause brain damage. Guy
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you're starting to be. And New helmet guy is uh
filtered cigarette guy. We'll get to that. Upcoming three times
Super Bowl champion Mark Schlareth will join us for about
twenty minutes. We'll talk about players holding out as a

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Dwayne Brown holding out the first holdout of the season
so far with the Houston Texans, What we what, what
our thoughts should be on the Dallas Cowboys, and the
litany of of a thousand of the thousand little cuts
of what's going on with different players as well as
the CT findings and what it means to former, current
and future players in the National Football League. But the

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story of the day, the story and sports continues to
be Kyrie Irving and Lebron James, the divorce which appears
to be imminent. Look, there are things that I will
I say on this show that you will hear me
repeat over and over again, right, And it's because if
I make them a cliche, they are. They might be cliche,
but cliches tend to be true more often when the

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going gets tough, the tough do get going. You do
actually need a Rabbi in the room. You need somebody
who believes in you, in your skill set. There are
no more secrets only facts suitors are yet to be revealed. Right,
Just the truth is out there and we have more.
We have a greater ability to gain it now than
we ever did. You can't fool players, You just can't.
No one goes to get a second opinion after good news.

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There's never been a guy who's like Mr Gottlieb, you
don't have cancer. Sorry, doc, I gotta go get a
second opinion. And whether it's Genie out of a bottle
or want you to visit visit the divorce attorney and
start talking about breaking up assets. It's not a marriage
that's going to last the test of time. Remember Kyrie
Irving talking with ownership, especially when ownership did not have

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a general manager, about his future and saying that he
wanted to be traded. Is different than if you want
to say married, married couple going to therapy. Right. This
is not let's talk it out. This is not Kevin
Love a couple of years ago trying to break bread
with Lebron James after the first year so that he
could get in all the photos. This is Kyrie Irving
saying I've been here, we want a championship. I'm good

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check please. This is justin Timberlake saying and seek is awesome,
but I want to go solo. That's what this is.
And whether it's being in a boy band, whether it's
being in the Bronze band, just gauge the reaction that
you've heard or you've read on Twitter, how many people said, look, honestly, Cowherd.

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Every day he's talking about these are first world problems,
like people complaining about the line at Starbucks. By the way, Cowherd,
like in the Kyrie wanting out of playing with lebron
from the line, like first world problems, the line being
too long a Starbucks. I should point out that most
of America hate the line at Starbucks. You know what
they did mobile ordering and it works fantastically. Cuts out

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the interpersonal communication, which is one of the reasons that
Starbucks kind of exists as the third place home and work,
but still it Starbucks saw that it was a problem,
knew that their customers were upset, and made an adjustment.
And the calves have been slow to adjust and so
now Kyrie wants out. But if you just gauge people's

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um feelings, they will almost all say this is a
sign of immaturity from Kyrie irving how could he possibly
how could he split tens? You got a winning hand,
why would you not want to play with It's it's
it's a parallel to the reason Kyrie likely wants out anyway.
And something I've been telling you going back to the
NBA Finals and through till last week when I was

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hosting the Herd stud Gotli show Fox Sports Radio, I've
told you that Lebron James is great. I am not
disputing the fact that Lebron James is an amazing basketball player,
right and he while he there's not maybe not that
doesn't do anything great, he does everything good. Like he's
not a great three point shooter, but he's become a
pretty good three point shooter you leave open. He's not

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the greatest pass we've ever seen. He's not Stockton's not,
Mark Jackson is not He's not Steve Nash doesn't have
that kind of He's not magic. He's not Larry Bird
is a pastor. But for all the other things he
does a very good pastor and a willing pass. He's
not a great post up player, but he scored something
the post a right. He does everything. He's not a
great man a man defense player, but for a guy

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that can guard multiple positions. He guard all of them
pretty well. Like that's he's a jack of all trades
and a master of I guess some He never gets
hurt and rarely gets tired, and he's lifted his teams
to higher levels. But what's happened is now what Kyrie
doesn't make anybody better? Really, Like we didn't pay attention
to the fact that Kyrie Irving waking up, going back

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to two years ago in the NBA Finals is one
of the things that turned around that series. That Kyrie
actually hit the game winning shot. He was the go
to offensive player down the stretch. Or here's the between
the narrative of people being negative about Kyrie leaving or
just a simple this just a simple idea. Kyrie Irving
was twenty four years old. This season had far and

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away his best season as a pro. Average more points shot,
a career high field goal percentage the second highest, and
three point percentage, but a high bunch higher volume with
three pointers, shrom the freezer line, and was about a
two to one assistant turnover ratio. He's not a great
assist guy for a lead guarden. More of a scoring
guard who wasn't one of the first three teams all NBA,

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whereas Steph Curry, likely based upon reputation, who did not
have a great season until the end of the year
when Kevin Durant was out, was the first three all
NBA teams. Same thing for Draymond Green. So, whether it's
you want your name in billboard lights and want the headlines,
which appears to be some of it, whether it's how
heavy it is to go to in the pressure of

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having to perform when things go wrong it's always your fault,
or just if you look at the overall narrative of
Kyrie does not help them when Lebron does, and when
Kyrie wants to leave, it's all on Kyrie, don't you Like,
don't you kind of get the idea of why a
guy might want to leave and then the idea that
we don't know where Lebron is even gonna be there

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next year, Like, well, then he went out of a
team to set himself. Yeah, but that's not really what
he wants. He wants to be the lead dog on
a good team in a place he wants to live,
in place he wants to go to work. And this
idea that it just happened. Not true. I've been brewing
for a long time. Here's Chauncey Billips on Altitude Radio member.
Chauncey Bill was supposed to be the general manager. Why

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didn't he take the job? What was leaked? Were they lowbalded? Well? Lowbald,
But for a guy who's never worked in an NBA
front office to get offered the general manager position of
a team that's reached three straight NBA finals seems like
a pretty good gig. Here's Chauncey as to what he
knew was going on, which we've just learned about. They

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didn't really surprise me. Um. Obviously I knew, you know,
as they were doing their due diuiligions on me, I
was doing the same things. Obviously I knew. I knew
um so much about the situation that that, you know,
the rest of the world doesn't know. Um. But that's unfortunate, man,
because he's a he's a special talent and uh, you know,

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and in my opinion, you know, so much of what
he's been able to accomplish on and off the floor
has been he's been a beneficiary of having Lebron James. Man.
That would be alarming to me if I was a
team looking to get him. Yeah, well listen, that would
be alarming for Chauncey Bills. But what Chauncey Bills again
is saying is what Kyrie feels like. A young people

(08:46):
feel this all the time. Hey, why do you have
to qualify all of my success with It's only come
with Lebron James Nobody says I'm just a great player. Like, like,
I think if you kind of break down the different players, like, so,
Westbrook's probably the best athlete who can give you the
most at both ends, even though he's inefficient and hard

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to play with. Uh, he plays incredibly hard and the effort,
the athleticism. I mean, He's different than Kyrie, who's the
best one on one score. Is different than Steph Curry,
who's the best shooter of the bunch. Is different than
James Harden who doesn't bring much of anything at the
defensive end, but is a really difficult and different matchup

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than Kyrie. Is. Like, they're all kind of different, and
they're all really really good. But our evaluation that Kyrie
is somehow below those guys kind of makes Kyrie's point.
And even if he's wrong, isn't that kind of the
American spirit of you know what, I'm not just gonna
tell you that I'm at those guys level. Give me
the chance to have my own team, and I'll show
you that I'm at those guys level. So I'm not

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sitting here telling you I'm solely on Team Kyrie. But
this has been brewing for a long time, and I
get it right, don't you kind of get it at
everyone is qualifying everything Kyrie has ever done with, Well,
it didn't happen until he had Lebron chains, which is true.
On the other hand, he also wasn't healthy. On the
other hand, it was also a dysfunctional organization, poorly coached team.

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They changed the coaches, they changed the culture, and they
added veteran players to go along with Kyrie, who was
finally healthy. So Kyrie's like, why does everybody have to
qualify it? This happens in bands all the time, happens
in business all the time, and now it's happening in sports.
I want my own team, I want my own band.

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I want my name in headlights when the headlights headlights
are in a car mark on the marquee. I was
not a role right, was it over? When the Germans
book Bob Pearl Harbor It's animal House. If you're not
old enough to remember that, I kind of get it,
because every comment I have heard is about Kyrie somehow

(10:57):
having some sort of failure, Kyrie's ego not being in check. Kyrie, Kyrie, Kyrie,
and he can't measure up to Lebron, which is kind
of Kyrie's point. I want to show you. I want
to show you. All right, there's a new study by
the Journal of American Medical by the Journey of Journal

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of American Medals Association that came out yesterday today, excuse me.
In total, CTE was diagnosed on of former football players
high school, college, NFL, Canadian League, and semi pro. What
I think it means, what a what a Super Bowl

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champion thinks it means? What it means to that for
the history of the most popular sport in American sports.
We'll discuss with Mark Schlareth next on The Dug Outlip Show.
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Fox Sports Radio sh Here's the thing about about Kyrie
and now the cats out of the bag. You know, look, look,
when no one denies the story, there has been zero

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denial the story. Have you read anywhere? Has there been
a tweet, a text, a story anywhere that says Kyrie
Irving vehemently or even not so vehemently denies the story.
So while we can break down what went wrong, how
it went wrong, or whatever, the fact is, Kyrie has
has to be traded, and no one's disputing that. Now

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Lebron is disputing the Stephen A. Smith story about Lebron
wanting to smack the hell out of out of out
of Kyrie Irving, which sounds like a more metaphorical smack
than a literal smack. Nonetheless, uh, Lebron is disputing that,
but no one's dispute like this is like this is
like when you're getting it um when you're getting to

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the end of the Aaron Hernandez trial, Remember the end
of the air in Hernandans trial. Nobody was actually disputing
at the end that Aaron Hernandez was there, Well, he
was there, he pulled the trigger or not like felt
like the evidence pointed towards it and he was done.
There was just no like if you don't deny the
facts of the case, a really good lawyer goes back
and goes like, all that other stuff could in fact
possibly be true, but the facts of the case are this.

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All the other stuff may in fact be interesting. Is
Kyrie to blame? Is Lebron blame? Is Dan Gilbert to blame?
Is there no general manager to blame? Should if they
resigned their general manager? What any of this have happened?
Is it? Was it the coaching changes that before? What
happened before Lebron got there? Is it Rich Paul and
his contract like all that? But no one is disputing

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that Kyrie has walked in and said I'd like to
be traded and that everybody in the organization knows that's
how they're proceeding. Let's turn to football, uh for for
a for a time. As new Fox Sports and Fox
Sports one analyst for the National Football League, three times
Super Bowl champion and the second strongest maybe even third

(14:17):
strongest man his own family. You should see the pictures
of his pops, his dad seventies seven years old. I mean,
and he looks he looks like he could compete in
like an iron man. I mean, he's just a stud.
Mark Slaith is not as big as stud, but was
a stud in the football field. And he joined us
on the Doug Gotlie show. Stank. How are you? I'm good, doggie,
how are you doing? My friends right to do that picture?
Your dad is super, super impressive, you know what. He's

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a freak show. I know. I know this about you know,
people talk about the hard work and there's nobody that
worked any harder and all that kind of stuff. But
I want the genetic lottery, and I make no bones
about it, you know what. And I'm not gonna apologize
for it because my dad's a freak show. Okay. So
I want to ask you about this new study from
the Journal of American the Journy of American Medical Association,

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which was at least today. They studied two d two
former football players of home that they studied. There's no
control group had ct a hundred and ten of a
hundred eleven former NFL players whose brains were donated to research,
and you probably only donate your brain to research. If
you felt like something was not performing optimally with your brain,

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had CT as a former uh and if a long
time NFL player you had was the twenty nine surgeries,
that what you had, I mean something crazy, okay, twenty
nine surgeries, but those are on your knees, none in
your head. What's your reaction to to these findings. I'm
not surprised at all. I'm not shocked by that whatsoever.
If you played football, and you know, I don't mean

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to be this is not for shock value, but if
you played football at any level, you've done brain damage
to yourself. It's just the way it is. I mean,
you can't repeatedly slam your head into other people's heads
and think that there's gonna be no long standing, you know,
issues from doing that. So I think it's part and
parcel of playing the game that if you play for

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any length of time, um, at pretty much any level
you know, starting it, let's call it high school, you've
done a certain amount of brain damage, some more than others.
But I just think there's no getting around the fact
that that is. That's you know, it's factual. That's what's
going to happen to you. There's no questions, you know,
if stands or butts about that. How does this affect

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the future of football? Well, I certainly think you know,
it will affect um. It will affect the people that
that have choices, UM, or that feel like they're in
a position to have choices. You know what money does
for you is it gives you the opportunity to make
the choice. And I think what you'll see is people

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from affluent families basically forbidding their kids to play. And
I think you'll see a lot of that. Now. There
are some that that will continue to play, but I
think there's no question that there will be a faction
of society that will no longer allow their kids to play.
Some people see it as a way out and they
will continue to play. UM. You know, I think it

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has a lot to do with economics and and where
you come from. UM. Me personally, with this information, what
I let my own kids play, darn right? I would
um And I'm a believer that, yeah, you've done a
certain amount of brain damage, and I've done a certain
amount of brain damage to myself. I mean, there was
not a game that I played in Doug. Why I
didn't at least see stars one time or knock myself

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out where it was just even for a split second
where I blacked out and kind of woke up on
the ground. And I probably started, you know, with preseason
and playoff games and everything, A hundred and seventy eight games.
So there's no question I've done plenty of brain damage.
I also happen to believe that your brain has enough
connectivity and enough elasticity to overcome some of those issues

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if you're using it, if you have purpose, if your
whole you know, it's if your whole um identity comes
from playing football. When that gets games from you, um,
there's gonna be depression that ensues. There's gonna be some
other things that that are going to affect you. And
I think that probably exacerbates the issues of of CTE

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and brattin trauma. But the bottom line is there will
be quite a few people who choose not to let
their kids play. I, on the other hand, will continue
to let if my kids wanted to play, that wouldn't
deter me for one second. That's the voice of marsh
laireth Uh Fox Sports NFL analyst joining us in the
Doug otlip Show here on Fox Sports Trader. Let's turn
to the Dallas Cowboys. So Lucky Whitehead was unlucky when

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he was arrested for shoplifting like a twinkie because it
wasn't him. He was missed. The guy identified himself as
Lucky Whitehead and even had his I D even though
it wasn't Lucky Whitehead. But he was cut, and the
Cowboys are still saying he's still cut. They're not going
to resign him, um because of the litany of issues
he had predating this. But that's just one of the

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many guys that have gotten in some form of trouble
off the field for the Dallas Cowboys. Is this just
a Cowboys issue? Or is this Hey, look at the NFL,
it's the offseason. Guys get arrested, not that big a deal. Well,
I think there's I think there's part of that, But
I also think it happened to do with the culture
that you establish as a franchise, as an organization. You know,
it's funny the Lucky Whitehead thing. There's always the sacrificial

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lamb guy that we cut to make an example in
hopes that are other guys, you know, Fallow suits, and
that really doesn't work. I mean, do you think if
you're trying to keep Lucky Whitehead off your team, he
was marginal, He was probably gonna, you know, be a
you know, a last cut type of guy anyhow. But
the bottom line, if you think Zeke Elliott is going

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to get the message that hey we cut Lucky Whitehead,
we do it to you too. Come on, if seek Elliott,
you know, steals a twinkie, do you think they're gonna
you think they're gonna cut him or reprimand him or
anything else. No, absolutely not. And you know there's a
lot of people that hit me up on twit there
and say, well, they're all allegations, right. None of this
stuff has proven. Whether it's domestic violence or whether the

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guy you know, whether he's knocked him out in the
ball or whatever. It's all allegations. Nothing has been proven.
And my response to that is, everywhere you go, if
it smells like a turd, you might want to check
your own pants because it might be you. You're the
one that might laid that turd in your pants. So
the bottom line with him is you you have got

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to clean your act up, and you've got to understand
that you are a target and then people are looking
at you, and people have got cell phones with cameras
on them, and that's just the way that goes. But further,
the further the point of the Dallas Cowboys, and I
think that's an important point. You know, I do a
lot of landscaping. Does you know. I have my man
one a one channel, and I like to be out
there doing all that stuff. Here's the bottom line. When

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you're landscaping, you gotta irrigate. And I know this about water.
Water is the same kind of um. It's very it's
very I like in it to culture and water. See water.
When you irrigate your yard, water will follow the path
of least resistance. And if you're not establishing culture, culture
follows the path of least resistance. And if the culture

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in new organization is hey, you don't have to listen
to the head coach because there's a back staircase to
Jerry Jones office and if you don't like what's going on,
you just walk up that back staircase and you get
it changed by Jerry. And I think that's part of
the culture that's been a part of the Dallas Cowboys
since Jimmy Johnson was fired, and that that to me

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enables players too to be habitual line steppers, to step
over the line and basically say, well, we can do
whatever we want because we really don't have to listen
to the coach because we're not gonna get punished for
it because Jerry's gonna bail us out. And and that
to me is the culture issue that you're dealing with
with the Dallas Cowboys when it comes to Zeke Elliott
and some of the other things that have gone on there.

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All right, so in the last minute, Marcial Lais has gone.
The smeller is the feller, and he also gave us
some rate uh, some great gardening tips. We'll talk about
hydrange is, maybe Guardinia's and uh and how exactly we
get we get the weeds to stay out of our
flower beds. That in a moment, plus, I want to
ask him about r G three and the likelihood that
that the Chargers signed him as he's working out for

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the Bolts today, Bolts looking for a backup here as
training camp is about to getting away in Costa Mesa.
We'll get to that though. Doug Outlin Show, Fox Sports
Radio rolls on Mark Layreth Fox Sports. NFL Allen's continues
to join us. You may have seen him on the Herd,
you see him on Speak for Yourself. You'll see him
all over Fox Sports when you'll see him covering NFL
games this year for Fox Sports. UM, let me ask

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you about r G three. Of course, was took the
took the league by storm with the Redskins. Then he
was injured. Then you know Shanahan didn't want him. He's
bounced around the league. Since he's working out today for
the San Diego Chargers. What's it likely in your mind
that it becomes a backup in the NFL this year. No,
I think it. I think there's a pretty good likelihood

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that he will. I mean, you talk about a perfect situation.
He is one of those guys that has fallen victim
to come out of college running that zone read kind
of system and then creating a system around him to
give him the opportunity to have success. And as you
know I've said many times before, and you and I
have had this talk, that system is unsustainable in the

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National Football League. Cannot put your quarterback in harm's way
that often. So, UM, you know, I think the likelihood
is good you want to put a guy in a
position to have some success to learn from Philip Rivers. Um,
let's face it, there's a dearth of starting quarterbacks in
the league, let alone backup quarterbacks who are actually competent.
And uh, you know, RG three still is not a

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great pocket pass. He's not a great polished guy. He
struggled understanding the system and understanding, um, you know, the
timing of getting the ball out of your hands with
the with the drops that correspond with the routes, and
you know, as a three step drop, five step drop,
when does the ball come out of your hand? Protection
She struggled with the time or two as well, watching

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him on film with the course of him trying to
come out of that Washington Riskin's early Kyle Sannahan Mike
Shanahan system to transitioning more into a traditional standpoint. So
you know, he's a guy that still has some upside,
that still has some talent, but ned lead needs to
really learn how to play from the pocket. But um,
you know, what else do you have in San Diego

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right now? I mean that's the big question mark. If
you if you feel like your guys stink in San Diego,
you know your backups, then why not have a guy
that's at least played a little bit backing up Philip Rivers. Uh,
then you go to Seattle. The story that we discussed yesterday,
which was Richard Sherman admitting he has a professional level
relationship with Russell Wilson, but also said they get onto

(24:46):
each other. Uh that, yes, they talk trash each other,
iron sharpens iron. Like I think, all that's great on
the defensive side of the ball, but like, look, you
know the inside of the locker room far better than
the rest of us to Does that work anywhere else?
Have you seen this anywhere else where a star defensive
back will call out the quarterback and uh, and they
they don't necessarily like each other, though they can work together. Yeah. Well,

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I've seen it happen a lot, but not necessarily at
the quarterback position, you know, unless you've got a quarterback
who's a flat out scrub and everybody wants him to
be replaced. But I haven't really seen it. You know,
I've seen guys talk trash. You know, I've seen dbs
talk trash to the quarterback, the quarterback talk trash back
to the dB. In a two minute drill or whatever,
like coming after you type of thing. And that's more

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a good, clean, fun you know, that's more um, you know,
kind of locker room banner. But not where there has
been kind of almost this vitriolic or it's been characterized
as this vitriolic relationship. They are always guys, And when
you're talking about fifty three guys, there's always certain guys
that you don't like or that you don't really care
for that you want to, you know, hang out with

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and pick out curtains together with. But as long as
you respect each other and there is that respect that
that guy is gonna work hard, and he's gonna prep,
and he's gonna give us a chance to win, um,
and then you tolerate those guys. And and so I've
seen that happen plenty, but not really to where there's
been this kind of overall victory all between dB and

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you know, Star dB and upcoming star quarterbacks. And I've
never seen that dynamic happen before. Yeah, it's gonna be faster.
You know. They talked about we kind of floated out
there trading Richard Truman in the off season. They obviously
couldn't get what they thought was appropriate value. He didn't
deny the story, although he denied some of the characterization
of the story. Um, and you know that, so some

(26:36):
of it tell us and the story the recent stories
told from his perspective, not Russell Wilson's perspective. And you
run the risk of Russell Wilson perceiving the relationship kind
of uh, far differently unlast the things think before we
before we let you go. There's talk of Levian Bell
holding out, he's yet to sign that franchise tender. UM.
Dwayne Brown is holding out with the Houston Texans. What

(26:57):
are your thoughts on some of these players and one
that not, uh, they hold out or they Greg greg
Olsen said he's not holding out, that he's gonna play
out his contract. What do you think like you're in
that situation, knowing what you know, now, how do you
approach it? Well, I mean, you never make up money. Um.
That was one thing that was always told me as

(27:18):
a young player. And so if you gotta put your
foot down and make a stand for yourself, you do
it to a point, but you can't too many games
because they got you over the barrel and you won't
make that money back, even in your next contract. So
you can make a statement, you can hold out for
a while. The players will all have your back. If
you're an outstanding player, they will all understand that. But

(27:42):
eventually you gotta come back in, you gotta play. And
that's the system that we play under. And you know,
and I've said this before, until we get the backbone
and we have the the cash on hand to survive
a strike, which we've never had, um, then you know
things will never change. There will never be fully guaranteed contracts.

(28:03):
None of that stuff will ever happen. And you know,
you and I had this conversation, Doug, but you know,
the NFL always preaches about, you know, about about player
safety being the number one priority and and I look
at that like it's obviously it's a bunch of hogwash.
But um, the bottom line to me is that it
truly was. There would be fully guaranteed contracts. And you

(28:24):
came into this statement talking about brain trauma and brain
injury and a hundred and ten of a hundred and
eleven brain scans had CTD of these donated brains. Well,
there has been one case documented in the history of
the National Football League, to the best of my knowledge,
where a guy self reported a concussion and that was
Ben Raefflsburg. Why because he's got a hundred million dollar contracts,

(28:47):
you know the rest of us. I mean, I can't
tell you how many times I've knocked myself out, how
how many times I've been had a concussion or whatever.
Even Tom Brady Giselle said he had a concussion, he
denies that. You know, it's the night and nine and
nine In the bottom line, if you really want to
protect players health, there should be fully guaranteed contracts just
on head trauma a loan. But we'll never I don't

(29:08):
think we'll ever see it. And I think it's because
the players. Number one, they don't save enough money. Number two,
the lifestyle. I mean, there are two or three pay
checks away from financial disaster. Um. That's the way the
league operates, and the owners know that, and that's why
we you know, come on July, in the last lockout July,
we rolled over and agree to a collective bargain agreement

(29:31):
that basically said, Okay, we'll take you out of PAD
in extra eight times, so you know we'll find it.
We're not PAD. So this is gonna add eighteen years
of my career. I mean, it's it's ludicrous when you
think about how stupid it is, but it is what
it is, and and that's kind of where we sit
right now. Do Marc Layrath, He's got his own radio
show in Denver. It's a good one. Uh. And he's

(29:51):
noutstanding NFL analyst as he was a great NFL player
lineman at three time Super Bowl champion during his own
Hey days. Thanks thanks so much for joining us. Love
catching up and talking about you anytime, my friend, we'll
talk to you to. It's Mark Slaith joining us on
the Doug Gotlip Show. What are the chances NFL players
are no longer part of a union? You heard stink
talking about Hey, this is what they need to do?

(30:12):
A former head of the NFL p A has a unique,
interesting perspective. What are the chances that can actually happen?
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(30:34):
humble brag coming you ready for it? All right, in
the bucket list of things you haven't done sporting events either,
you guys been to a UFC fight, No, I have not.
You're leaving music for Maui today after the show. Yeah,
you're charging your your iPad as you speaking up. All right, Well,

(30:54):
he's listening. He's loading up on. What are you loading
up on? What was the show Narcos? Yeah? I thought
it was okay. I've never I've never seen it. I've
it's come really highly recommended. There's a lot of people
who really like it. I thought it was just okay.
I thought I think The Americans, which is an f
X show, is better. Um, I'm a um. There's other
shows that I would recommend to you. There's another one

(31:15):
that actually just started last night, which is Great Shooter.
M it's similar to and it's produced by So there
was the movie Shooter with Mark Wahlberg. So that's a
sort of similar to that. It's it's about a guy
who was a former marine and then he's kind of
like retires, but then they come back to ask for

(31:35):
his help on something and then it kind of goes
awry from there. Yeah, it sounds like an old TV show.
There's an old TV show like that right where a
guy was like he was out but they kept kind
of bringing him back. Anyway, Um, are you House of
Cards guy? If you watch House of Cards, you know
I watched. I got up to I think the first seasons,
like thirteen episodes. There was something weird with how I

(31:55):
was like into it for the first five. I got
to like episode ten, and I was kind of just
gave up on it after that. I just I'm a fan.
But anyway, Um, so you're leaving for MAUI rama's you
ever been to UFC. I have never been to a
UFC fight. I I have sequestion. I have obtained one

(32:17):
ringside ticket for UFC to fourteen so John Jones Cormier, Yeah,
which I heard is going to be awesome. It's I mean, look,
it's in the Pondanaheim, which is ten minutes from where
I live, fifteen minutes where I live. It'd be a
little weird going into a place. But you're like you're
by yourself, but I appably, but you know, like other
Fox people are going to be there right again. But

(32:38):
you know it's like you kind of how's the gun?
Who are you here with you? I'm uh but you
know that's that's the only I have friends that are like, oh,
take me. It's like I literally they said, I we
have one ticket ring side if you'd like it. I
was like, well, I'm not gonna say no. Right. And Cormier,
by the way, is oclhomstake. We've had him on for
good dude. So I'm I'm kind of fired up. And

(33:00):
it's weird because like I'm mixed on the UFC thing.
We'll discuss in a moment. First, I'll let's get to
what's in my sack. Let's reach into godly sack. Steve
the Segger in for Dan By are what he got
for me today? Steve, good afternoon to you. Welcome back
to the studio today, and let's dive in. What an't

(33:21):
we playing today here? What are the chances? Little I'll
throw percentages out. I'm not really an odds guy because
I'm not sure anybody actually knows how odds works. But
go ahead. Well, the biggest story first, and that is
the details of union de certification. What it actually happened.
Dominique Foxworth, who's been involved with the Union for football player,
of course, writes on The Undefeated this headline why de

(33:42):
certification of the NFL, p A and other sports unions
could pay off big. The NFL's non superstar ballers quote
aren't sharing in the wealth that the league generates. He
says in his first paragraph, I understand that arguing for
athletes to get paid more irritates most fans. Buddy writes,
this is more about giving a more accurate account of
how leagues use their far reaching influence to take more

(34:05):
than they've earned. The players have no practical response to
the owners taking a bigger, bigger share as the leagues
get more profitable. Could this actually happen? What are the chances?
As he writes, that America's major pro sports unions permanently
decertify and operate as trade associations instead. They've tried this.
The NBA tried this in their last negotiations with the UH.

(34:28):
The NBA p A tried this in the last negotiation
with the owners, trying for big leverage. Yeah, and they
got slaughtered negotiations They just do. I mean, like, look,
it's it's great union talk. I'm a member of a union. O. Hey,
I'm still a dues pay member of a union. But
all I can tell you is like, uh, unions exist
for a reason. You collectively bargain for the rank and file,

(34:50):
and um though they're not. The NBA, players aren't collecting
as higher percentage as they used to. Remember, costs have
continued to explode, and they're still profiting at a record rate.
No one's ever willing guys. Players aren't just aren't willing
to go to the mattresses. Owners can because they have
deeper pockets. Players don't. And uh, I don't see this happening.

(35:12):
If you want to do away with collective Barton agreements,
if you want to do away with salary caps. What
what union leaders will fail to mention is one the
NFL win a season without a salary cap, and it
was a financial disaster for players because in addition to
no ceiling, there's no floor, and that hurts the rank
and file, which makes up about eight percent of all
of these sports unions, the lowest percentile of It's it's

(35:34):
like America, right, like you have the one percenters. The
one percenters are fine. That's not who should be fighting
over the that's not who fights over what actually happens
with unions. It's the bottom or in sports unions, and
I they will always fight for the floor to be raised,
and you need that with the collective Barton agreement. You

(35:54):
need that with the union. So as far as I
would say, I mean they can be certify, I don't
think it changes my well, it sounds even high after
those paragraphs actually, but I don't think it changes the endgame, right.
I don't think it's it's an NFL takes away your
collective bargaining for starters, right. You can still negotiate as

(36:15):
a trade union. It just changes how you do it.
It's it's like an accounting when when accounting, when they
move around the money like a shell game. It's kind
of the same thing for for negotiation. Story number two
of the relationship between Gordon Hayward and Brad Stevens now
the Celtics coach and of course, hey we're now a
Celtics player Woes podcast this week interviewing the free agent

(36:36):
from the Utah Jazz, Gordon Hayward, and he says, the
relationship Brad and I have has been completely overstated and
overhyped from everybody. I played for Brad in college for
two years, so it wasn't like everybody kind of made
it seem like we were best ease or something. Oh,
he's gonna go to Boston because of Brad Well, we
had a good relationship. Wasn't like we were constantly texting

(36:56):
each other. I'm going to talk about this at the
top of the hour. What really happened to Gordon Hayward.
He doesn't even know happened to Gordon Hayward. Uh, But
what's the what's the question? What are the chances that
the relationship with coach Brad Stevens was the overriding factor
and hey, we're going to the Celtics. There you go
to Greg Olson a little bit yesterday, a little bit

(37:17):
today in the news for the star tight end of
the Panthers. He says, now he's not holding out because
it wouldn't be fair to the team. Last season he
became the first they fired Dave Gentleman. That's because he
didn't want to give Greg Olson a new contract replace
the GM that that has nothing to do. So what
are the chairs that he gets a new contract. I

(37:38):
think he's trying to show goodwill and get a deal
in the middle of the year, at the end of
the at the end of the year, and I think
there's probably a chance that actually happened, and he's ranking
seventh among tight ends with an average salaries seven and
a half million per years. Superb numbers, especially at tight ends.
But one are the chances that not fair to the
team is the reason that he's in camp this week?

(38:00):
I percent you yea Less Miles finally in the news.
What are the chances he actually goes to Old Miss?
Because USA Today had reported his name. Hugh Freeze resigned Thursday.
Of course Miles would arrive with plenty of sec experience
over a decade with the l s U Tigers, a
great record overall. There is the specter of the n
c A A though that notice of allegations that old

(38:21):
mrs fighting. What are the chances Less Miles actually becomes
the Old Miss coach in the next two years? I
think it's the New Orleans Times pickyun said that this
is the ultimate fake news, right. I think he would
be interested in the job, But the n c A
scares any legitimate head coach out off because there's there's
real violations there. I'm gonna say that even that even

(38:45):
sounds and that's that was Scott lead sack Um. So
Gordon Hayward downplays the relationship with Brad Stevens, but he
signed with Brad Stevens in the Boston Celtics. UM, there's
a new movie out called Dunkirk Okay. The new movie

(39:06):
how called Dunkirk Okay. Christopher Nolan made it, but Christopher
Nolan's previous movie tells the story of Gordon Hayward. I'll
share it with you next in the Dug Otlip Show.
What Up. It's Dug Gottlieb Show, Fired Up and ready
here on Fox Sports Radio. UM, I've been waiting along time.

(39:26):
I've been waiting. I can't remember the last good movie
I saw. Yes, I can last good movie I saw
in theaters. You wanna know what it was? Deadpool. I
saw Deadpool in theaters. This is like a year and
a half ago, and I thought it was awesome. I laughed.
I laughed my butt off the entire movie. And I
don't even like um X Men movies. I mean, like

(39:48):
the original X Men I liked, but like I haven't
watched Wolverine or any of these X Men Civil War
like I didn't. I didn't watch any of those, So
I don't really like I like some Marvel movies, but
X Men series and and jumped the Shark, but it's
kind of like fast and furious, Like I get it,
you're fast, You're furious X men, I get it, you're
x men. What else you got for me? Like new ideas?

(40:10):
But Deadpool because some of it was meta. I thought
Ryan Rells was outstanding. UM, and that was just really funny.
It was really well done. That's the last movie I've seen.
The one I want to see now, like kind of
like I want to and I'm still solo as we're
moving across country is I want to go see Dunkirk

(40:32):
and I want to go see dun Kirk for a
myriad of reasons. First, I like war movies, you know, um,
I don't like war love war movies. And secondly, maybe
most importantly, it's a Christopher Nolan film. UM and Christopher
Nolan saved the Batman series right before Christopher Lolan had

(40:57):
Batman Begins, it was Batman was an a Batman, and
Robin had Arnold Schwarzenegger and uh Uma Thurman, but also
had what's his name e er uh George Clooney was
was Batman right like the whole The casting was awful,

(41:17):
The script was worse than directing. I don't even know
who made that piece of crap, but they nearly ruined.
Was Joel Shoemaker? Right? Joel Shoemaker may have just ruined it.
And and we should know all these things because John
Ramos does his own take on movies. Ramos, have you
seen dun Kirk yet? I was not invited to dun Kirk. No.
I did see Atomic Blonde last night, Tomic Blonde with Charlie. Charlie,

(41:42):
I say, I think that she said it was dead own, Okay, Okay,
he's changes change the pronunciation. She's like the Derek Rivio
of movies. It was Ravio, was Rivo was Ravioli? I
don't really remember. Yeah. Um, look, Christopher Nolan is he's
in credible right, Um and one of my favorite movies

(42:05):
explains all you need to know about Gordon Hayward. What's
your favorite Nolan Christopher Nolan movie? Ramos? I love the
Batman movies, definitely, all three of them. Yeah, they're really
they're really remarked like I'm gonna struggle. There'll there'll be
other Batman's, but they'll be it'll be really really hard. Uh.

(42:25):
Dark which one is Dark Nights with Ledger and he
Ledger was amazing that well Academy Award, right, Christopher Baiale
was really good in that movie too. Keep talking like this,
but that's supposed to be the whisper. It's the whisper,
and it's the best. That's the best I could do
with whisper. It's a very loud whisper um. Have you

(42:47):
get seen an inception? Do you remember the idea of inception?
But was generally the idea of inception Ryan music. So
the idea behind inception was that you have to be
create ative about convincing someone they came up with their
own idea, even though you're actually the one who gave

(43:09):
them that idea. This is it's a great trick that
you'll try, and everybody, have you tried this in life?
The two things people have tried in life is you
tried like the Jed well people have tried the Jedi
mind trick. Or you just try like thinking something and
see if it happens. Like I'll give you an example,
sitting next to your wife watching TV. You're thinking to

(43:33):
see if she'll make the move, and it doesn't work,
like my mind control is not working. But the inception
try it all the time. It's a great idea that
you just came up with, Boss. You know, uh, sure,
we'll go to We'll go to like whatever your favorite,
like your remote location is. You know, there's a there's

(43:56):
a golf event in Hawaii coming up, this guy's playing,
this guy's playing it being, Oh, yeah, it'd be great
to do remote in Hawaii. What a fantastic idea. Right,
There's different ways to do this, creative ways to do
it where you take somebody. It's not just you take
the horse to water, but you pick up the water
and you scoop it up and then you open up

(44:18):
their mouth and you pour it in. You're like, they're like, hey,
I was a great idea for me to go get
a drinking water, And you're like, yes, it was, Yes,
it was. You are a genius, so smart, so smart.
So there's this. This article was part of Adrian Wardanowski's
most recent podcast, He sat Down. He sat down with
Gordon Hayward, and he asked Gordon Hayward about signing with

(44:41):
the bosson Celtics and how much Brad Stevens had to
do with it. Between Brad and I has been completely
overstated and overhyped from from everybody, And I played for
Brad for two years, and so it wasn't It wasn't
like everybody kind of made it seem like your besties
or something, but everybody else was saying, oh, is gonna
go to Boston because of Brad. And we had a

(45:02):
great relationship. But it wasn't like we were constantly texting
each other, calling each other. You know, it would be
he's the head coach of the Boston somethings, He's got
things to worry and you you played longer for Quinn
Snyder than you had played for exact Steve. I played
for Brad for two years. Yeah, and with him, the
quote goes on with him was one of those things
where he made me feel like even if I didn't

(45:22):
go to Boston, it'd be fine and we still have
a great relationship. He'd still be in my corner, he'd
still be rooting for me. There was a there was
a trust there, right, There was a trust there, a
trust in Brad Stevens, a trust in what Brad and
Danny Ainge had built. And he made him feel as

(45:42):
though this wasn't the end of the world and they
would still have a great relationship. Brad Stevens knew the
psychology of Gordon Hayward enough from his time spent coaching
him two years ago, excuse me, years ago, two years
at Butler, to understand that if he was forceful with it,

(46:04):
if he was a hey, are you in or you out?
Because I thought you're my guy, it wouldn't work. On
the other hand, if you simply kind of took him
through the process, let him understand exactly what you're about. Hey,
remember we still know each other. Remember I'm a trust
for the guy. And look, if you don't love it,
it's okay. We're still gonna be friends. He planted the idea,

(46:25):
He planted the idea inside the head of Gordon Hayward,
and Gordon Hayward don't even know. I't even know. He
doesn't even realize that Brad understood his psychology from their
time together as Inception kids. So look, it had nothing
to do with my relationship with Brad. This wasn't like

(46:45):
a long term thing. I just chose it on my
own that it worked. Right. You know, we have a
calss phased team, hybrid forwards evolving. But look, look if
you don't want to do it, hey, we're still good amazing.
I mean, Christopher Nolan would be so proud. He's had

(47:06):
other ones. Memento is really good, um Mento is really
really good. Dark Knight Rises, Interstellar. Do you guys watch Interstellar?
That was That was a little long and a little weird,
little winding, which is funny because I asked Ryan Dunkirk
was it long? It wasn't. It wasn't that long, which
is funny for Christopher Nolan because this movies tend to

(47:27):
be long. Yeah, I don't mind a long good movie.
Kids movies had to be short. Adults movies, it's ok.
It's okay, Like, you know, don't edit out that. Don't
edit out the good stuff. You don't want to see
a three hour of Monsters Inc. No, Monsters Inc. Was
incredibly creative movie. Though, yes it was Monsters University. Not bad,

(47:48):
not terrible, not great. And I couldn't agree with you
more about cars too? Not good? Yeah, like who green
lit that one? Who goes this isn't this is a
good idea. Let's have a kids movie that incorporates double
O seven and guns everywhere. That sounds a good idea.
That's actually Disney getting back to old school Disney. You know, like,
you know, Cinderella is the worst, right, Like just pitch

(48:09):
the screenplay and this is a kid's movie where the
mom dies. Start of the movie. Mom dies. He marries
an evil stepmother who already has two daughters, who treats
the original daughter so poorly. She lives up in an
addict and her best friend or mice, and she's the
maid for everybody else, including her two daughters. She didn't

(48:29):
even let her go out. She has to like sneak
out just to meet the prince. Then she does everything
in her power to make sure that her daughters get
the hand of the prince, not the step daughter. I mean, well, like,
where's the dad the dad? Did dad died too? I
think everybody dies to stepmother. What a great story is it?
And then people want their daughter to grow up to

(48:50):
be said dressed get dressed up as Cinderella. What an
amazing story Cinderella is Like now it's actually not that's
Disney being Disney anyway. I see a ton of in
option with what Brad Stevens did. He planned an idea
and did it so well that Gordon Hayward doesn't even
know what happened to him. He doesn't even realize that
he understood the psychology of Hayward, massaged it into his brain,

(49:13):
and Gordon Hayward feels like he came up and with
it completely on his own that the Celtics were the team.
The Celtics were home. He could trust Brad Stevens, even
though he knew Brad steven the known queensider longer amazing,
really amazing. Former NBA All Star, number one overall pick.
Kenyan Martin joins the show. Next, I'll get his thoughts

(49:33):
on the pending or what we assumed to be pending
divorced between Lebron and Kyrie, and that's up coming. Next,
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down on Me Doug Otlin Show, Fox Sports Radio. I've
listened to so many different opinionists, pundits, analysts who have said,

(50:15):
among other things, about Carrie Irving that this is this
reeks of immaturity right, Um, when it's it's like fascinating,
like you want to go out and do things on
your own. You want to go out, go out and
go out on your own. Like there's something bold to that,
something brave to that. And it does say something to
me about playing with Lebron James. It's not as easy,

(50:36):
not as fun as it may be to do things
on your own. Look, I've I've kind of gone both routes.
Like I was at ESPN, which was like an ensemble cast,
nobody was bigger than the than the brand. And then
I was at CBS, which he kind of went and
did it, sort of kind of trying to build it
or audience organically. And then now here at Fox Sports Trading,

(50:58):
where I feel like you have other brands, I've already
been built up and Dan Patrick has been doing it forever,
Colin has been doing it forever, and then I've been
doing it for a long time but haven't maybe been
able to break two through to their level. I think
it's a reasonable way to look at it. Clay relatively
new uh to national sports radio. Ben Miller has been
doing a long time. Jason Smith's been doing a long time. UM,

(51:20):
and so you kind of have a combination of guys
that have built their own brand with the brand of FSR.
But I like there is a certain pioneer spirit to like, hey,
you know what, I kind of want to do my
own thing now, like I'm good. And yet it's been
met with such vitrio as if Kyrie is not coming
off his best season so pro it wasn't close. Dude,

(51:41):
was awesome this year awesome And from by my estimation,
when you hear all of these, you know, all this
negativity in terms of Kyrie Irving kind of leaving Cleveland
or his desire to leave Cleveland, I think it tells

(52:02):
you all you need to know about why Kyrie Irving
wants to leave Cleveland. What do you hear? Well, you
know and not anything. Well, Lebron James, he wants to
show you, let's show you he's incredibly mature. He wants
to show you that he's more mature. I won't win
a championship. Well, you know, there's probably a pretty good

(52:23):
chance that that thing is gonna blow up at the
end of this year anyway, And they were gonna win
a championship this year, So he's the stock is maybe
not an all time high, right, but it was at
an all time high last year when they won the championship.
He hit the big shot. Lebron got almost all the
glory um and it's leveled off some now. It could

(52:46):
still go back and peek at the previous high, but
there's a general sense that the end is near, then
the peak is and so do you sell that stock
down and reinvest in or start your own company? Which
that that's what happens happens in business every single day. Like, man,
this is really cool. I liked being the CFO, but

(53:09):
I want to be the CEO. Kenny Martin joins us.
He's the former number one overall pick, as was Lebron,
as was Kyrie Irving course from All Star in the NBA.
You can see him in the Big Three this upcoming
weekend in Dallas as he returns home to Texas. The
Big Three tips off two pm in American Airline Center
on Sunday. Game uh. The best way to get tickets

(53:30):
as Big Three dot com. Kenny, when you've heard Kyrie
wants to be traded on a team that most people
believe if they can just keep it together for for
one season, they'll get to an Eastern Conference to get
to the NBA Finals. What's your reaction He's had his
damn mind? Why where where else that he can do? Women?

(53:54):
Um so when it consistently have a chance to win
a championship every year plan with the best player on
the planet, where else couldn't get that done? Do you
think that is there is there any validity to the
idea of Hey dude, I've done that. That's fine. Uh,
I don't want my own team. You also only won
thirty games without Lebron James too, you know that's all

(54:17):
you know without Lebron James. Rather be honest, I think
it's a bad it's a bad decision. It's a bad
move forever or I or if it's his decision and
on his own, I just think it's a bad decision. Yeah,
would I would point out, well, it's it's fair like
he was off injured before Lebron joined and he was
like years old. Now he's twenty five, when the results

(54:42):
be quite different. I don't think so. I think he's
he's a ball dominator, part guard. You know, let's call
it what it is. He's a hell of a talent.
He makes plays, but he's a ball dominant point guard
in this league, and we all know what that is.
You know that that doesn't be quite winning in the NBA,
you know. So I just think he has a solid

(55:03):
convention around him and had a few younger pieces changing that. Bence.
I think that I'm saying they've been in the cop
of the you know. I just don't see where else
you're going and maybe have that kind of success, Ken,
I just don't see it. What if you're running Cleveland?
Do you keep him even though he wants out? No, No,
I do not. I don't know. I don't don't need
to keep it anyone that doesn't want to be there. No,

(55:26):
So I think you book the shipping and you get
something back. He goes bad. You you can no, that
was a pretty ship. Has a number of poem guards
around the NBA that were lebron James can have no
plays about doing it. Kenny Martin joining us in the
Doug Gottlieb Show. Ticket started twenty dollars. It's affordable fund
for families. It's great if you haven't seen the Big Three.
It is a It has become a thing, right, I mean,

(55:47):
it just has, like everybody like on Sundays when it
was intuld. So my friends told, like, dude, it was
the thing last weekend's in Chicago and then of course
the air's Monday on Fox Sports one. You are you
in any way surprised at how much of a thing
it's become from week one? Man, the crowd downs outside
of park, things in New York, we want, you know,
driving up, getting ready for the game. Just so the
way they came out of gross. Um, since the sad

(56:09):
thousand people came out to support it. Um, it's only
bit better since week one. Um, the players got better. Um,
the guys um, so we know what kind of shape
we're after being down to gord Um took a pete
to get a fan of the show, and I think
we've done that so far in five weeks. Yeah, you know,
my fear was Week one, like three guys got hurt,
and I just thought, like, you know, everybody says they
want to get in shape for it. But then a

(56:31):
lot of you guys made a lot of money, you
played a lot of ball. There's a lot of we
were off those ties. My thought was, man, week two
would be really telling, and we two was better than
week one? Was you ever thought though during Week one
You're like, oh, man, guys are falling out getting hurt.
This might not work. No, I mean, Andrews are part
of sports man. Um, guys get hurt of the week
in the NFL. They don't say I was having lot
of shape. You know. You know what's always that We

(56:52):
all know Andrew's all a part of sports man. And
people want to point out guys and ages and and
just that, but it's not. It's not bad. Um, guys
do the guys thought they were working, but we do.
It was gonna be challenging that fime. Like I said,
no earlier after we won, guys to do the kind
of sits you can't have to be in the change.
They worked out and and then as the dead makes

(57:14):
for better basketball. Kenny Martin joining us on the Dugout
Live show, Let's go back to Cleveland, they add Derrick Rose.
Rose actually averaged eighteen a game last year. Grant didn't
play the whole season, gonna play sixty four games. Um,
he signs for the league minimum. What are your thoughts
on that addition to the Cavalier's roster, Um, I think
you can help. Um. Is he going to be the

(57:35):
starting point going through. I don't know. It depends on
what Cleveland does. I'm saying with Kyrie, it depends on
where they're going good and then what they get back
for him. But I think it's a solid pick up. Um.
I think he's he doesn't have to play big minutes
if they don't need him too. He can show a
minute if, like you said, he have his eight teens
four games, no, so I think it definitely can help
them um their bench or or if they start him

(57:57):
on whatever they do as a backup. You know. But
I think he's serviceable. Um, I've been saying that. I
don't think he is. He should be with qualmed to
play thirty five forty minutes at night. You know what
comes up. We all know what that leads to. No,
but I think he can definitely help them, you know
what I'm say Moving forward? There was discussion yesterday, uh,

(58:18):
I think it was Bill Simmons talked about that the
possibility of Krome at Anton joined the Thunder. There's been
talking obviously about the Houston Rockets, has been talking about
the Portland's Trailblazers. Obviously, now there's gonna be talking about him.
There's gonna be until he moves with the Cleveland Cavaliers
as well with his relationship to Lebron James. If you're
in in Mellow's ear, where do you tell he's got
no trade clause so he can kind of determine with

(58:38):
with some reason where he could go. What's the best fit? UM?
I like the the thing on now that Paul George
is now give them another score. Somebody that can tune
on to compete with the device um button like the

(58:59):
Washington was that was established backcourt. UM. I think they
have pieces and plays when I'll tell us to New
York needs to take back and the Kelly break kid um,
the Morris kid um. But they just signed all the
ports when he's off the books probably Uh. But now
I don't like the same in Washington. He goes home,
he goes home his family and everybody to see him

(59:22):
play again. I think us there were two places Portland's Um.
I like people the Portland, but it's it's gonna be
somewhere in the West. UM. I would definitely I like
the move to go to Oklahoma City. If if you
were gonna say this guy has surprised me in the
Big Three more than anybody like a guy you're like, man,

(59:42):
I don't know what he's got left or you didn't
know if he could play at that level. Obviously, there's
some super high level guys. Uh in the Big Three.
Who's been the most surprising playing in the Big Three?
Um MC move um um. He's he's been out of
the NBA long and don't think and um the way
he still can play and move and shoot the ball

(01:00:05):
what we all know. The way that he takes care
of his body now and in the past. You know,
So that's telling you know what I'm saying. You can
tell that's what he's been doing since he got UM,
since his NBA career has ended. Um, he's been in
the gym constantly shoot the ball like y'all always has.
In this term, you can tell him his play and

(01:00:25):
some guys are taking him lightly because he's a little
older than all of us. He's going out there, he's
showing guys when he was the NBA. Yeah, he was
a flat out shooter, you know he was. He was
a flat out scorer. And that's when you're showing guys.
Now he's still held the ball, he's still moves. Well know,
he's out there getting it done. You know what I'm saying.
And the guys, I'm not the only one that surprise,

(01:00:47):
you know, born born getting buckets back when is Chris
Jackson lead the country and scored as a freshman of
course end of his career. Got the young guys, they
don't know that a lot of young guys don't know
him as Chris Jackson. So they just they don't know
they left the nation's going. They don't they don't understand that.
We we all saw that dukey get buckets. Kmart continued
health and success in the Big Three. Look forward to

(01:01:07):
seeing me in Dallas this Sunday, will be on Fox
Sports one this money. That's Big three dot Com slash tickets.
Great Kenyan, Martin Kane, thanks so much for joining us.
All right, that's Kmart joining us. Obviously. Look, I I
disagree with his perspective on Kyrie, but uh, there's a
dude who was in the league and he's like, like,

(01:01:28):
they won thirty games without Lebron. It's a very accurate point.
There's no inaccuracies to it. But I would contextualize it
and say, yeah, accurate, But he was like twenty one.
The team was the team had all young players, completely
different roster. He couldn't stay healthy. Remember all the different

(01:01:48):
movement moves they made. Tristan Thompson was in his first year.
Tristan Thompson was actually playing different handed than he does now.
That's how different. Jr. Wasn't there, Kevin Love wasn't there,
Lebron wasn't there. None of the vets coming off the
bench were there, The coaching staff wasn't there. Everything has
been turned turned over. And who isn't a better player?

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Twenty five and they were twenty one years old. Doug
Gallup show, Fox Sports Radio. So r G three is
working out as we speak extra this afternoon for the
for the l A Chargers. It was about to come
out my mouth to San Diego Chargers. Um, I know
people inside the Charge organization and what this has been

(01:02:29):
to me deemed to me to be just take you
a look, just gonna take just gonna take a peek.
Which I'm a big believer in. I'm a big I'm
a big believer in right. Like you know, well, when
you when you go, do you always rent the same car?
Were on the road, You're like, yes, I wanted to

(01:02:50):
know what a Malibu was like, I want to know
what a day was like. Like, some people like to
do the same thing over and over again. That's okay,
you can still do the same thing over and over again.
But it's okay to try other foods. Like I don't
really like Indian food. I just don't like curry guy.

(01:03:11):
I just it's not I don't I don't hate it,
I just don't love it. And there's enough foods that
I do like. But you know, somebody says, like, hey,
you wanna try some Indian Like yeah, you know, variety
is a spice of life a little bit, right, So
I like that the Chargers are at least kicking the
tires on on r G three. Does he bring any

(01:03:31):
sort of value? Remember last year Philip Rivers had a
disappointing year. Well, I didn't value the football. But I mean,
it's not like r G three is coming in to
compete to be the starting quarterback in San Diego, especially
at at at this date. On the other hand, uh,
taking a look, to me, this is about this is

(01:03:52):
a as there's a disparity there between who Kaepernick is
and who r G three is. Right, r G three,
uh never achieved the postseason success of Colin Kaepernick, but
I had arguably better regular season success, at least in
his first year. He had more devastating injuries, although Kaepernick

(01:04:13):
did have a couple of really tough injuries to come
back from. But the fact that r G three is
out there working out for teams tells you kind of
all you need to know about Kaepernick. Like, it doesn't
mean that the Chargers would sign Kaepernick, but you mean
to tell me that they wouldn't want to see him
work out and see what's got, especially with Kellen Clemens

(01:04:37):
as their backup quarterback. Let's take a peek of what
this guy has. Worst case scenario. You say, no, no thanks,
But we haven't seen Kaepernick pop into any of these
other camps. We haven't seen any kind of workouts he
went up to He went up to Seattle, and what
did you hear? Do you remember what was said about

(01:04:59):
him when he came Actrementcy, How do you remember what
what Pete Carroll said about him? What do you say, Ramos?
He said he could definitely be a starting quarterback in
the NFL. I took that at the time, and I
take it even more now. Two Uh, they were relaying
information to Colin Kaepernick. They were they were talking in code,

(01:05:19):
which is Kaepernick doesn't want to go somewhere, doesn't really
want to be a backup. He wants to be a starter.
And they were telling him like, look, if if Russell
Wilson gets hurt, we're gonna call you. But it also
is relaying that what he The vibe they got was
he didn't want to hear, Hey, if you want to
stay here now, you've got to be a backup. And

(01:05:43):
to all these people who are like, well, he's getting
a raw deal, and that's why he's not in the NFL,
that's that. Do I think that there are some owners
that want to stay away because of his flag protests
last year? Sure, I think that's a reasonable, But I
think there's a greater number of owners that want to
stay away because he wants a job that they don't.

(01:06:04):
There's not a position they feel like he's that's available
for him, like even the Jets, which has been pointed
out like why won't the Jeds sign him? Well, that's
because their general manager drafted Christian Hackenberth, and so the
general manager's signs Colin Kaepernick and he ends up being
better than Colin Kaepernick, like general manager's only proving that
he can't draft a quarterback. He's like, look, I'm trying

(01:06:26):
to develop a guy him and try and get him reps,
try and seeing what he does in the preseason. The
same with the RAM. I went to RAM sign him
because they have Jared Goff, who they invested a number
one overall pick in traded up to get him. Plus
they have Sean Manion who has never had the peaks
of Colin Kaepernick, but by most people's estimation, by Ley's mind, like,

(01:06:46):
I think they should have gone to him before they
went to Jared Goff last year if they really wanted
Gredgard Jared Goff and the reason Jared Goff played last
year because he nub one overall pick. So I think
the r G three thing is smart. I think it's
a lot like the Derrick Rose deal. Right when you're
out of the league, the most important thing is you
get back in the league. Instead of being picky about well,

(01:07:10):
I gotta go somewhere, I'm gonna start right away. I listen.
I when you're initially in the league, or when your
stock is high, that's great. When your stock is low,
just just keep being in the league. Just keep an
opportunity will come, but you're more likely to get that
opportunit when you're in house and when you're out of house.
That's the same in any business. Like you walk away

(01:07:31):
from your job, do I want to be picky and
take the next perfect job? The best time to look
for jobs when you have one, make sure you have
because if you're out of work, they're like, well, why
is this guy at of work? Got a great resume?
Always been picky. It might be something else to it
might be something else to it. So I look at

(01:07:53):
Derrick rosshim for two million dollars and he turned down
the chance to be a backup with the Lakers, to
be a backup with Calves. And I'm sure some of
it was he knew everybody in the league would have
taken if he knew there's something up with Kyrie. But
even if they lose Kyrie, they're gonna go out and
get another point guard, right, Like they're not depending on Rose.
But I think Roses he understands like, hey, if if

(01:08:15):
this works, my next contract, this is what this is
the other part Kaepernick screwed up. Kaepernick's real screw up
wasn't the the the anthem protests as much as it
was last year. Before the season, the Broncos wanted him,
but he was making fourteen and they're like, we'll take
yet seven million dollars. At the time, Gary Kubiak was
your coach. He's a former quarterback. They're run by the

(01:08:37):
president of operations is John Elway, former quarterback. They have
a defense that everything they needed outside of a quarterback
in order to at least push for the playoffs is
not be a playoff team. Had he bet on himself
and taken less because the job and not worried about
the bottom line, they'll be in the league. And the
lesson is take the job, not the money. To get

(01:09:00):
the job, not the money. It sounds really easy when
we're talking about ridiculous sums of money, but take the job,
not the money, and the money again depends on the
chosen field. Right, we'll come, o come. Shannon started by
my estimation completely missed the point we're talking about Lebron
and Kyrie earlier today. I'll tell you why I think

(01:09:22):
he's wrong. When we play what did the Fox say?
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(01:09:44):
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We've got a lot of things we want to get
to and you know, one of the best ways to
do so to pay homage to all of the great
shows which you can hear on Fox Sports Radio. Start.
It's not always a great show, Clay Travis. But I'm
kidding uh from starting with Clay Working too, Undisputed all

(01:10:09):
the way to Dan Patrick, Colin Cowherd, Rich Eisen, jt
The Bricks, Steve Gorman, um, Ben Muhller, Jason Smith. We
like to bring back for you portions of the shows
we like, we dislike, and we discuss and now what
does say? What does the Fox Say? Undisputed is a

(01:10:33):
show which features Shannon Sharp and Skip Bayliss along with
Joy Taylor. You can hear it on Serious XM channel
three in the morning following following Clay Travis's show, take
a listen to what Shannon had to say in regards
to Kyrie. He's never ever going to be big as
Lebron James. He can go to New York, he can

(01:10:56):
go to he can go to Golden State, San Antonio.
He's never skipped. It's not gonna happen. See. The thing
is that he's looking at it like okay. Kobe and Shot.
Kobe got fed up with Shock because Shaq was reporting
to Camp more and more out of shape. He felt
Shock wasn't dedicating himself as much as he was, and
he couldn't under he like, no, I can't. And he

(01:11:18):
felt he wasn't going to get the credit that he
rightfully deserved as long as Shot was there. Because it
got to the point that town, this town we're in
right now, not big enough for the both of them.
Somebody wanted a solo stage. Kobe, um I want. I
don't know if that's a mischaracterization of Kobe wanting a
solo stage as much as Kobe just didn't. They couldn't

(01:11:40):
get along, and Shack and Kobe after the rape allegations
that that began, or that maybe made more prominent a
fissure between the two relationship. I don't think with Kobe
was it was necessarily I can't work with anybody else.
It's I just can't work with Shock anymore. But to
to start with Shannon's point, which was he'll never be

(01:12:01):
as big as Lebron James. I don't think Kyrie ever
thinks he will be as big as Lebron James. There's
the possibility that he wants his own team, but also
understands Lebron James is always going to be a bigger
figure and seen as a better player. Like these two
teen things are not separate and distinct. These two things
can both coincide. He can want his own team, he

(01:12:25):
can want to be a star, but also realized that
Lebron is forever a bigger star. I don't I just
think we're we're we're we're evaluating Kyrie's talents by himself

(01:12:45):
based upon four years ago when he was twenty one
years old, totally dysfunction organization and he was constantly hurt
or the numbers and what happened when Lebron James is
off the floor. When we've all said, the flaw to
the Cleveland have Leers is they have only one guy
like Lebron. That's why they can't beat the Golden State Warriors,

(01:13:06):
because only Lebron can match up with Kevin Durant and
even Lebron can't really match up with Kevin Durant. They
can't switch anybody else on him, because that's just how
they're constructed. Kyrie is the only guy in this team
that can make a play on his own. To score
a bucket doesn't make anybody better. Realize, really, I always thought,

(01:13:29):
I always thought this was just me that that they
were a ward championships to teams that score the more points.
Is that? Is that correct that last time I checked?
And Kyrie is their best offensive score He's the best scorer.
He gets buckets, and he's become more efficient. He shoots
at a higher percentage that he's ever shot before from two,

(01:13:50):
nearly as high as he ever shot, with more volume
from three. He's a free throw shooter. So you're judging
and based upon four years ago when the team was
a complete dumpster fire coaching staff, super young roster, he
was super young, and Shannon Sharps saying he's never gonna
be as big as Lebron. Who the hell thought he'd
ever be as big as Lebron? Kyrie doesn't. He just

(01:14:14):
wants to get get a chance to run his own team.
It's like Kenyan Martin joined us He's like, well, he's
a ball dominant point guard. We know how those guys do. Yeah,
we do. Russell Westbrook won the m v P this year.
James Harden probably should have won an m v P
one of the past three years. Steph Curry's a ball
dominant point guard. Like, what are we talking about here?
He just he won a championship two years ago, nearly

(01:14:36):
won one this year and was playing great until he
hurt his knee going back three seasons ago. We don't
we Yeah, he's a ball down he's a scoring point
so scoring guard. Um Colin Cowherd had this to say
about Lebron and Curry. This is going to be a

(01:14:57):
career defining my steak by Kyrie Irving. It will have
virtually no impact on Lebron James image. So if Lebron
is worried about that partner, don't you are playing at
a different level. And when you're as great as Michael
Jordan's and you are as great as Lebron, and when

(01:15:18):
you're as great as Tom Brady, I mean, you do
know about Tom Brady's Skeevie trainer, right, you do know
about spy Gate and the flate gate, right when you're
playing at that level of excellence, it overwhelms everything else.
Kyrie Irving by leaving this is going to be his
defining moment, and in my opinion, it is a big mistake.

(01:15:42):
In his opinion as of now, it's a big mistake.
Aliso point out that that he also didn't think the
Big Three with the Celtics would work. We don't know, uh,
Colin Calhert. There have been other like we all make.
I don't know if it's a big mistake because I
don't know where he's going just yet. I don't always
going just yet. But if you don't think this hurts
Lebron's legacy, are they more or less likely to win

(01:16:04):
an NBA Championship without Kyrie Irving? Less? And if he
doesn't win one this year and he goes to another team,
the likehood that he wins one in his first year.
He didn't win one his first year in Miami, didn't
win on his first year in Cleveland. That continues to
get less and the more. When you when you see
a superstar player say thanks, but no thanks, I want

(01:16:24):
to play on my own, Dozen's that that tell you, hey,
maybe this guy isn't the easiest to play with. Of
course it hurts the legacy of Lebron James because it
hurts the narrative within the league. Hard to play with
gets all the credit, never any of the blame, and
the reality of that team is they're not going to
be better with Karrie. Now, let's see what they get
back in return. But I I failed that everyone says

(01:16:47):
you're not gonna get dollar for dollar. If you're not
gonna get dollar for dollar, you're not gonna be as good.
Is it a smart move? I don't know. But I
also know that Kyrie is probably Kyrie maybe too smart
for his own good. And that's if I had a
critique of him, it's he's he tried to be too
clever with the flat Earth thing. And this may be
another case of hey, he's too smart for his own good.

(01:17:08):
He realized he's really good, great player, he wants to
show people, wants to do his own thing. And this
is maybe Robbie Cano, like Robinson, Cano took all that
money to go to the Mariners, completely irrelevant, whereas he
could have been the longtime second baseman for the New
York Yankees, knowing that the Yankees eventually will figure it out.

(01:17:30):
But Robbie Cano has life changing money, not just for
his generation, but for the next and next generation in
his family and for Kyrie irving Hey. To him, it's
more important to do it his way than to do
it somebody else's way. And I actually have a ton
of respect for that. You know, I don't believe in

(01:17:54):
breaking up tens, but I've actually broken up tens before.
I have said everybody said, don't have a break up
Ten's like, all right, what if this guy's got a
six show? Got a six showing? Fine? Like it's I'm
playing five dollar, ten dollar, fifteen dollar black chack. Let's
not act like I'm breaking the bank. It's not necessarily
a good idea, but it's fun. It's fun. What do

(01:18:16):
cigarette smokers and football players have in common? I'll tell
you next And Doug gotlip Show? What up? Doug gotlip Show?
Fox Sports Radio. We continue to react to Kyrie versus Lebron,
the divorce witches pending right now they get together back
and play again. Yeah, I'd be like War of the Roses.

(01:18:36):
Do you guys remember when we wore the roses? Romos?
Does Romos is my movie? Guy? Kathleen Turner, Michael Douglas.
Danny DeVito is the is the lawyer. They actually had
a red line go down the middle, the middle of
the house, like you got your side, I got my side.
Don't watch War the Roses over the weekend. You tell

(01:18:57):
me if it's gonna work with Kyrie and lebron Co
ex is sting in that house, the house that Dan
Gilbert built. That that that's not gonna last. Um. I
was sitting outside today having coffee and in southern California. Um,
I think, like, look, there are parts of Southern California

(01:19:17):
which you are not the greatest place on earth. Like
I I enjoy living here. I grew up here. I'm
not gonna sit here and say every part is perfect.
Like the traffic is ridiculously bad. It just it is.
It is. It's ridiculously bad. Um. And I you know
there are parts to where I live which I live
there because around there the traffic isn't bad. But when
you get to Los Angeles, like West Los Angeles, it's

(01:19:39):
just the worst. But I was sitting outside and there's
a a Los Angeles ordinance where not only you not
smoke inside, you can't smoke within ten feet of anybody
who's sitting down outside. But think about how we view
smokers now, right, it's like the beta max you. They
still make you. You walk into an airport. I was
walking through an airport yesterday in Tulsa, Oklahoma, and I

(01:20:02):
told you, guys, I had my cat with me. Cat
did survive? Is okay, is cleaned off. I have survived
as well. We've all been bathed, cat pooping in her
in her carrier the day before. She's fine, We're fine,
will serve my daughter's cat's cat is alive and well enough? Right,

(01:20:24):
I went from a I'm not really a cat guy,
but I kind of like this cat too. Not a
cat guy at all. After one trip, but you walk
by the smoking lounge and you just look at those people, like, boy,
that is that that is that has got to be
just this though? If that's people talk about Cleveland being
the factory of sadness. Smoking lounge at an airport, everybody

(01:20:46):
looks like ten years older than they actually are, just
smoking just you know, they're just they just oh God.
And I understand there's an addiction to nicotine, but god,
that looks like just an awful lifestyle. And if you're
sitting there smoking a thirty million other people spoke in
this country. You're not alone the rest of us, like really,

(01:21:09):
really a guy with a rotary phone. But it's interesting
when news comes out of a new study about CTE,
you get football guy to sound a lot like smoking guy,
you really do or football guy. Maybe here's the other one.

(01:21:30):
Do you remember when you didn't have to wear seatbelts
as a kid. This is you, probably thirty five and older,
maybe forty and older, and I'm guessing many of you
your dad or your mom used to do the armbar
thing when they'd stopped short, like, oh, that's gonna stop
me from going through a windshield? Right there was actually
anti seatbelt guy would tell you, hey, look, you go

(01:21:52):
off into a lake. You know you gott unbuggle that
seatball you might drown, which is, in hindsight, the dumbest
thing anybody has ever thought of. But for a long
time it's like, yeah, you know what, that's like the
good reason you shouldn't have to wear a seatbelt. You
should be allowed to wear a seatbelt. You should be
allowed to go right through that windshield, have your head
rolled down the highway and have somebody else pick it

(01:22:13):
up and try and connect it back to your body
when they bury you. Absolutely. Um. But when when I
was a kid, they used to smoke on airplanes. Have
you ever your travel overseas? There are still some countries
where you could smoke on airplanes. You're like, wait, an
oxygen eated cabin where we're lighting up We're lighting up

(01:22:33):
matches and cigarettes like that, just fet above the earth.
That sounds like the dumbest idea ever. We're supposed to
be the smartest species. We're not. We're not. But here's
where smoking, guy is a lot like football doesn't cause
brain damage? Guy, Right, the numbers come out and they're alarming.

(01:22:58):
And I love football and I played football as a kid.
My son's eight years old. He wants to play tackle.
Fo boy's gonna play flag for now. The journal American
Medical Association released findings from a ct study in which
a hundred and ten of a former NFL players whose
brains were donated research tested positive for CTE. Of the

(01:23:21):
two former football players including high school football players, now
there's only four of nineteen high school football players in
this study were found f c t E, and obviously
a greater percentage of college NFL, Canadian and semi pro players.
And and the pushback you'll hear from people is you
have to listen. Listen. You wouldn't donate your brain to
science unless you thought something was wrong with the brain, right,

(01:23:45):
And so those numbers are skewed, and that's accurate. This
is not a true scientific study. You know anything about science.
To go back to when you're in fifth grade science,
you have to have a control group, right, you have
to have the group in which you're studying, and then
you have to have any random joe off the street.
And then you get the ray shoe up. Because I'm
sure there are other guys. There are motorcycle guys. There
are a guy that was m M a guy. There
was guys that was high school athlete. They were just

(01:24:06):
guys that that that did. There was a gust far Rott.
Remember Gus far Rott, you know, broke his neck by
just hitting his head in the cement wall for the
Washington Redskins because he's an idiot. Right, There's regular guys
that are just that same kind of idiot. There are
other guys that have CT. It's the only possible explanation
for some of the human behavior we have out here, Right,

(01:24:27):
What does it matter with that guy? But the idea
that Listen, we had bad helmets, then we had bad helmets.
We had bad helmets. Like, that's like smoking, guy going,
These are filtered cigarettes. They filter out much of the tar,
some of the chemicals. You're still inhaling nicotine, right, You're

(01:24:48):
still inhaling all of these man made chemicals added to tobacco,
which goes directly into your lungs. And your lungs still
turned black. You still cough up a piece of your lung,
your t stston yellow, your fingers turning yellow, Your your nose,
your nose breath smells, my wife's pick on nose breath,
like everything smells. Because you know you have a filter,

(01:25:10):
it's better. You have a better helmet, it's better. And
I guess that the question becomes, what is the percentage
to which it has to be greater than the average
for you to go? You know, football is probably not
a good idea. Like, I have an eight year old son.
I love my kid, my kiddie. I just got a
textis at a summer camp. He went surfing to day

(01:25:31):
in Maine. How cool is that? Right? Like? And he
loves life. Why would I if it's one. If it's
five percent, your five percent more likely to suffer brain
damage from playing tackle football, why would you do it? Why?

(01:25:53):
Mark Schlareth joined US Earliers, three times Super Bowl champion
his son, By the way, it's really important to point out,
I know he played football growing up, play Major League Baseball.
The reliever Stink had this to say about what he
thinks will happen in the future. It will affect the
people that have choices or that feel like they're in

(01:26:13):
a position to have choices. You know what money does
for you is it gives you the opportunity to make
a choice. And I think what you'll see is people
from affluent families basically forbidding their kids to play. And
I think you'll see a lot of that. Now. There
are some that that will continue to play, but I
think there's no question that there will be a faction

(01:26:34):
of society that will no longer allow their kids to play. Um,
I would agree. I would say that's already happened, right.
It's one of the reasons, Like, look, lacrosse has always
been made of guys who aren't quite athletic enough and
maybe big enough to play college football. Across is a
great sport. It's really growing. I don't think, and there
is a professional lacrosse league, but like, do I think

(01:26:56):
it ever becomes legit professionally. No, But I think kids
who come from affluent backgrounds are gonna play more lacrosse,
they play more soccer. I think baseball will see a
continued resurgence. And you look at for example, Bryce Harper
comes from an affluent family, A very good athlete probably
could be a football player. Uh, same thing could be
said for Mike Troud football baseball player, football basketball player

(01:27:18):
becomes a football becomes a baseball player. Right. So I
do think you see this in with suburban kids playing
other sports. But I also think that maybe lost in
this discussion is not just that you're already seeing declining
numbers in kids playing tackle football in high school. I've
told you this. All it takes is one class action
lawsuit and high school football is done. Like college football,

(01:27:43):
I think can probably survive because it's so profitable and
because players are signing up for the right to get
a college scholarship, and there's a value uh in the
in the education that that's obtained. There no matter what
sports radio hosts or sports radio talkie guy says, like,
there's a there's a trade off there, right, and you're
willing to and you're also an adult. Once you get
to eighteen years old, you can sign up. But the

(01:28:05):
idea that you and people always say, well, I'll let
my kid decide. Like, so a fourteen year old understands
the ramifications of playing football and what it could mean
when they're fifty years old and suffered traumatic brain injury. Yeah,
all fourteen year olds have that much, have that much foresight.
Have you ever had a conversation with do you remember

(01:28:25):
yourself when you're fourteen or like you remember there's a
reason that your insurance rate as a as a male
is peaked between sixteen to twenty five. Why because you
have no common sense? Right, because you are, in fact
an idiot, because instead of thinking from your brain out,
you think from your crotch out. Right. That's most guys sixteen.

(01:28:48):
So there's gonna a lot of high school football players like, yeah,
you know, I can't play because you know, maybe when
I'm like an adult, it might get to CT. So
I'm gonna sit this one out like that doesn't happen.
I'm gonna let my kid decide. What sho you let
your kids decide? So what do you think your curfe
you should be? I don't think I should have a curfew. Okay, boy,
as long as you can handle it right that that's
not great parenting. What do you think you shoat for dinner? Um? Cake?

(01:29:11):
Good plan? Son? Sounds tasty, sounds healthy? Right? Like? That
doesn't so for football, like the one sport to which
you can name yourself, you can be paralyzed as well
as have career and you know, life threatening, life altering
brain trauma. You're gonna let your kids decide. Like, that's
the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Well, maybe not smoking.

(01:29:33):
I think, after all the information we have is probably
the dumbest thing. This is probably the second dumbest thing.
I'm not sitting here tell you I don't like football.
All we're gonna talk about over the next nine months
is football, And when we talk about football, every possible opportunity.
I love football. I like playing football. I think there's
great virtues in football. The idea that you have to
have all eleven guys working together, you have to have

(01:29:54):
all in an NFL roster fifty three in a college
roster eight five pulling in the same to direction, like
incredibly important for young boys, right, because there's a sacrifice
of ego of you all of a sudden, you gotta
be a lot. Everybody wants to be a quarterback, everyone
wants to be the running back. Everyone wants to score
a touchdown. But you can't. You have to celebrate somebody
else's successes or everybody's failures. Right. There's great life lessons

(01:30:16):
and discipline and toughness built it in football. But dude,
it's bad for you, and you can deny the numbers.
But they used to deny the numbers for smoking. And
now we put all you smokers in a room and
laugh at you as you walk by, and feel really
sorry for you. And in Los Angeles you can't come
within ten feet if somebody's sitting and having a cup

(01:30:37):
of coffee because that's how ostracized. We feel like you
should be in society and everybody's okay with it. Smoking
guy's football guy just thirty years removed. Jim Jackson stops
by up coming next I'll tell him why. Um, everybody
blaming Kyrie for wanting out of Cleveland is exactly why

(01:30:58):
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(01:31:20):
Out The Show, Fox Sports Radio. Mm hmmmmmmm, all right, now,
I'm kind of ready for college football season to kick off, right, Like,
we get that one weekend of college football. I kind
of feel like we should get two weekends of college
football before we get to before we get to the

(01:31:41):
you know, the NFL season. I don't know, but I
do like that we get our one kind of we
got a one that gets you, what's your appetite a
little bit for it? So, uh, I don't know. Is
it fair to say that there has been a substantial
amount of drama surrounding the Ron James That's that's a

(01:32:02):
fair statement. And and look, it's also fair to say
that while a good amount of it, a good amount
of it Lebron James has cost I mean, we just
start with the decision, and then of course when he
comes back to Cleveland like that is that is caused
by Lebron um. He has not shied away from offering

(01:32:25):
up his opinion on on some social issues, and while
that's not maybe seen as drama, it continues to keep
him in the news. Played in three straight he played
in seven straight NBA finals, so we're gonna pay more
attention to him. He's not only been a champion in business,
he's also champion the efforts of his friends in business,

(01:32:48):
which of course led to that weird acide in the
middle of the season where Phil Jackson uh talked about
his posse and Lebron took it to be a shot
he in though he was simply relaying what pat Riley
had said about how how much work. Frankly it was
to have Lebron on the team. Like all of these
things did in fact happen. Lebron is on Instagram, is

(01:33:13):
on Snapchat, is on Twitter, does post things, does react
to things like It's not like he goes into his
little He's not Kobe. Kobe had a lot of drama,
but it was drama with what happened in Eagle County, Colorado,
and his drama with the basketball floor. But when Kobe

(01:33:34):
was off the court. You didn't see Kobe. I will
grant you. It was for the most part, a different time,
different era where you didn't have social media. But it
is true to say that Kobe lived kind of in
a cocoon, whereas Lebron likes, welcomes the attention. So with

(01:33:55):
that in mind, like there's a substantial amount of drama
with the Braun James, and at some point you're just like,
I can't take the trauma. Than right, you can't take
the drama. I can't take it. Have you ever been
in a relationship where somebody's emotions ran too hot, too cold,

(01:34:18):
where somebody was way too dramatic? You can't tell me
you haven't. Is it a turn on or turn off? Well,
maybe when there's passion, when they're into you, that's a
turn on. But when every little thing and every day
is either a hill or a valley, at some point, like,
you know what, enough, I just need somebody who is
consistent and whatever they are. Again, I don't know. I

(01:34:44):
don't think anybody with this whole prediction business that Kyrie
the end game is gonna be like, we don't know
where he's going. I mean, if you said like, I
want to go to the San Antonio Spurs. He ends
up going to San Antonio and Kawhi Leonards They're like,
that's not a terrible plan. And by the way, that's
not a guy full of ego. If you're willing to
say the first thing you have to do when you
go to San Antonio play for Greg Papovich, just check

(01:35:05):
your ego at the door, right, Like that actually goes
counter to the narrative, counter to the nearrative. What we
do know is this is a reality. That's what we know.
Because even though Lebron James has denied um on social

(01:35:26):
media that he wants to he wants to knock out
Kyrie or smack around Kyrie for what he's done. Took
a strong He didn't deny. No one's denied that Kyrie
wants is done. It's also interesting to me that while
Lebron gets no blame, so too does Adam Silver. Don't

(01:35:46):
blame Adam Silver has been a pro player commissioner, right
supporting their uh, their right to protest social issues, supporting
their right to change teams, supporting in many ways or
not actually criticizing players choosing to sit out games. Have

(01:36:09):
you ever heard Adam Silver, the commissioner of the n
b A, say hey, this is wrong. Players shouldn't be
doing this. Have you ever heard that come out of
his mouth? I haven't, And why is that? Because he's
a pro player commissioner. That's his bag. When he came
into power, he came in you always go with the

(01:36:31):
opposite of the guy before you. David Stern could be
seen as at times anti player, pro owner. He also
when Adam Silver took over, he was trying to not
be Roger Goodell, who was seen as anti player, pro owner,
pro business, not pro individual businessman. Right. He came in

(01:36:54):
during UH during the Donald Sterling deal with the l A.
But that was his first big move was to remove May,
force him to sell the team, forced him to sell
the team and ilok. Look, it was an obvious decision.
It was something that I don't think there was any

(01:37:15):
other plan that made any sort of sense because my
guess is that as much vitriol as it was in
social media and in national media, the truth is the
reason they made him do it was because they were
sponsors of NBA teams. They were corporate sponsors, like, look,
we just can't be associated with this we just can't.

(01:37:35):
You gotta make him sell the team. But the fact
is that Adam Silver coward to the thoughts and you know,
and to the desires, like an illegally obtained audio tape
which did characterize him as a racist, although there were

(01:37:59):
actions that Donald's certainly had that you could say wasn't
a racist. I don't like Donald Sterling, but the truth
is Donald Sterly made two billion dollars on sale of
a team, right, made off with a ton of money
and offering up no other solution other than hey, players
want him out, so he's going to be out. Started

(01:38:19):
a path of every decision he's made for them has
been pro player. And so when players start moving and
you're not critical, and then you factor in, we're in
this au generation where guys switched teams all the time.
How do these players think that they're bigger than the
league because the owner has essentially told them as such,

(01:38:41):
The media has told them as such. The same media
that's criticizing Kyrie Irving for wanting his own team, for
leaving this team that's gonna compete for a championship, is
the same one, the same one that has empowered him.

(01:39:02):
We got the transfer generation in college basketball, which comes
back from the au generation in high school basketball, which
feeds all this movement in the NBA basketball. And then
we act like we're like surprised, vaguey, we're surprised A
Jim Jackson jonas in a moment of course he uh
a a an Ohio native. We'll get his thoughts on Kyrie?
Is it crazy? Is it one step ahead of the posse?

(01:39:27):
And by posse, I mean Lebronze possely leaving town? And
has he accomplished enough to go out and go out
on his own Doug Olive Show, Fox Sports Radio. Alright,
in terms of where could Kyrie go? Uh? This just
in Brandon Nite has torn as a c L. We'll

(01:39:47):
likely miss the entire season. Uh, there's been talk about Phoenix.
They have Devin Booker, they have expiring contracts like an
Eric Bledsoe. Could that be a landing spot? Let's catch
up with Jim Jackson, of course, is the lead analyst
for covering the Big Three on Fox Sports One. You
can see it Monday nights. This weekend, the Big Three
will be in Dallas, Texas. Jim, of course, a two

(01:40:10):
time Mr Basketball in the state of Ohio, a superstar
Ohiose State and a longtime NBA VET as well as
an All Star in the NBA, and he joins us
here on Fox Sports Radio, Jim, what, what was your
initial reaction when you heard Kyrie wanted to be traded?
I was, I was blown away. But Doug, I had
heard before that it was intention maybe with some people

(01:40:30):
around Kyrie about um, the lack of Kyrie really being
able to be in control of regards to having a
ball in his hands. But at this point at the
three Finals, um, I was. I mean, I was really
surprised in regards to the trade demand. Um kind of
caught me off guard. But if you if you go

(01:40:51):
back to the backdrop in regards to some of the
inner workings, lesson being said behind the scenes, kind of
some unhappiness, it probably started to board to a point
where Kyrie and his camp just I thought it was
time for him to uh to make a move, which
is unfortunate. Um. How, here's here's the thing I think
people are struggling with. I know that before Lebron joined him,

(01:41:15):
they won thirty games, but he was like one the
team was a mess. He was constantly hurt. I think
we would all agree he's a much better players coming
off his best season as a pro. How good is
he on his own in your opinion? Well, see, here's
the here's the problem that we don't know because the
last three years since Lebron has been back, we've been
able to see the pressure taken off of Kyrie and

(01:41:38):
for him to be able to play that one B
role without the pressure on him to be able to perform.
So when things didn't go right, a kind of selling
Lebron James Lap not Kyrie. And that's not taking anything
away from the progress and what we've seen him or
how we've seen him grow in the last three years.
But how do we judge it. We can't budge singulearly

(01:42:01):
on Kyrie carrying the team because keep in mind, when
Kyrie was out, it was Lebron not carried the team. Okay,
So we we don't know if if the maturity level
and the game is caught up enough where Kyrie could
go to a good team or mediocre team, mediocre team
make them much better or they really a good team

(01:42:23):
and make him a championship CALLIP caliber team by himself.
We just don't know. Um, do you think it's crazy.
Like Kenny Martin said, he's lost his damn mind, I
kind of I let me tell I just I kind
of understand it. I'll tell you why. I think the
ship is sinking and he don't want to be playing
the fiddle. As well as the fact that, like, look,
as much as there isn't pressure on him when like,

(01:42:45):
when the team doesn't win, Lebron has a triple double,
people say it's everybody else. Now they haven't said it's Kyrie.
But but there's no blame. But there's also uh, like, look,
this year he had his best season. He wasn't an
All NBA first, second or third team player. He had
five and a half a game, shot ninety right, So
he doesn't it's fair to say he hasn't gotten the
recognition or maybe some of the respect he thinks he deserves.

(01:43:08):
In your opinion, you've been in the league, you cover
the league. Uh, you know the situation. Is it crazy
to want out when there's probably one last year of
this group together? Well that's addressed the first I get
the fact in regards to the unknown because with Lebron,
remember Dwayne Wade was like his best friend, Banana boat
crew and he didn't know that really he was going

(01:43:32):
back to Cleveland. So I get that part in ricards
is the uncertainty what's gonna happen. But at the same time,
wouldn't it be your team if you're Kyrie once again,
if le Bron chooses to leave, because keep in mind
that with him asking for the trade demands, the only
viable team you're talking about really competing right now is
San Antonio now and San Antonio. You know, it's all Doug,

(01:43:54):
You know this. It's all about the system. Yeah, Kyrie
can play, but he's gonna have to steal play within
the confined instance. You know, so seenix. You're talking about
New York. These are not contending teams. So be careful
what you ask for in regards to wanting to run
your own ship. Okay, that's to me the bigger picture

(01:44:16):
here in regards to your trade demands or one thing
you want to move on, you want to do your thing, Fine,
where are you going to Really you're gonna be able
to compete right away? Golden state it as a point guard,
Houston as a point guard. Maybe the Clippers. Maybe you
could fenagle something with the Clippers, but they're still you're
talking about fIF six down the line in regards to
in the Western Conference. So where are you going in

(01:44:39):
regards to competing at a high level? Because now the
view on Kyrie, to be honest with you, Doug, he
looked upon as a different kind of player. Yes, this
game is improved, but he's a champion, He's been to
the championship and all of that quireon honesty is a
result has on lebronze James back, it's totally fair. Jim
Jackson joining us on the Doug Gottlip Show. Is there
any chance that they say it like, look, we don't

(01:45:02):
we think it's crazy for you to ask to be traded.
We're gonna we're gonna hold on you. We're just gonna
make you play with this current team. Is that doable?
No novel Lebron James, because I think behind the scenes
you know it as well as I do. If Lebron
is not happy, he's not gonna be happy, and they're
gonna force a way. Because think about this, Dan Gilbert
has to do pretty much any and everything too to

(01:45:23):
try to appease Lebron to you know, get him to
look at the bigger picture and regards to staying in Cleveland,
so you don't think of Lebron quietly or as people
went to the management and said, listen, we gotta get
this thing situated taking care of right away so we
can move on. That won't happen. Come on, I mean,

(01:45:45):
it's it's one of those things I don't think can
work in regards to personality. Why won't you cross that bridge, Doug,
in regards to demanding something, And then you're pointing the
finger and said, it's the reason why. It's because of
that guy over there, And now you expect us play together.
Some guys are professional enough to do it. I don't
think these two are. Yeah, well not just that. This

(01:46:05):
is like going to divorce attorney and asking, you know,
if we split up our stuff, what would it look like?
And the you're like, well, just kidding, honey, we're not
really thinking about getting divorced, right Like, nobody that that
doesn't actually happen. Jim Jackson joining us on the Doug
Gottlieb Show. Okay, so if you're Lebron and you can
put together some you know, some scenario to which your
team is still competitive at a title level, who is

(01:46:29):
that guard? Who? Who is what is the trade out there?
What is the guy out there that could or two
guys that could replace the Kyrie Irving that could keep
Cleveland on this path, on this collision course and maybe
have them be better than the Warriors. Well, the problem
is that you know the top point guards are already
with contending kind of teams. Washington to be pretty good

(01:46:49):
in the East. Um, who are you going to pull in?
It gives you the combination of a shooter score, a
sembimaker that complements Lebron James, but also if Lebron is
not on the court, can be your key catalyst to
the offense. Okay, that's the difference. When Lebron went out

(01:47:11):
the game at time and even in Championship Series, the
you know Kyrie was there. Kyrie hit big shot, Kyrie
made big play. Not a lot of point guards that
are available that are not already all started playing for
a team that you could get that can do that. Now,
how do you supplement that? Can you get a couple
of shooters that are more athletic, that can print maybe guarding.

(01:47:33):
If you get a bled soul from Phoenix, the thing
you're gonna get from him his quickness, then you're gonna
get a guy that can guard a little bit better
on the perimeter, better defensive player. He's not gonna be
the dynamic score, but he's going to give you a
defensive present. And I think he'll make a few more
plays with the ball force teammates. So that could be
a guy that for this Cleveland team, depending on what

(01:47:54):
other moves they make. If they can get a carmelo
Um tighten up their wing position for the trading, a
line that could maybe worse. It's it's uh, it's just
fastinating the end of the end of the day. Does
Kyrie again and we don't and and and this is
unfair because we don't know where he's going. We don't

(01:48:15):
We don't know where Lebron's going or if he's going
at the end of end of next year, end of
the day. Though, do you think this was this is
a mistake for Kyrie to make this demand. Let me
say this. I've been in the situation before where it's
been rumors about what I'd say it or done that's
been totally false. I think what we need to do

(01:48:35):
is we can do all the speculation we want. We
can talk about all the scenarios we want, but we
have to allow Kyrie to come out and and give
us his side of the story because it could be
totally different, but it could be something that we're not
looking at. But but he hasn't. But he hasn't. There's
been no denial of the story, no denying that he
wants to be traded. It hasn't. But we have to
get into why and what's going on and then kind

(01:48:58):
of dissect out a little bit more because I would
love to hear it from Kyrie, because there's always if
you look at the other side, if they're leaking information
or whatever it may be, they're always gonna put ten
on the twenty. What I mean is to jaggerated a
little bit more, whereas Kyrie may come in and say, well,
here are some of the issues that I've been having
the last three years that led me up to this

(01:49:19):
decision today. It just didn't Maybe he says it didn't
just didn't happen overnight. Maybe it's been an ongoing situation
where at this point I needed to move on. See,
we don't know that until Kyrie is able to come
out and really tell his side of the story, and
that then I think we can get a bigger picture
of what this whole scenario is all about. You can
see him on the Big Three this upcoming Monday night

(01:49:41):
on Fox Sports One at eight o'clock. They'll be in
Dallas this weekend. Of course, you can hear him on
Fox Sports Radio, see him on Fox Sports One. Across
all of our different shows, he's one only Jim Jackson, Jim,
great stuff, great perspective. Thanks for Jon, appreciate all right,
that's the ageless Jim Jackson, who looks younger than me
even though he's much older than me. The Trailblazers trade
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(01:50:02):
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(01:50:23):
Trump maybe more interesting than Kyrie Irving versus Lebron James. Nonetheless,
what we have in sports we have in politics. Although
Lebron and Kyrie at least one h championship at at
some point continue to keep an eye on Major League Baseball.
You heard from Steve to Seger Coves are up six
to six to two right now with a runner at

(01:50:43):
first base. We'll keep you updated. Top of the our
Gorman boys follow me as they always do. Um, you
want to promote anybody we got tomorrow? Have you been working?
We've been talking about some of the big gets we're
trying to come. Eric Davis gonna join us tomorrow. That's it.
That's what you got from me here. Three time you
got a Super Bowl champion, three time All Pro Eric Davis.

(01:51:04):
Canna enjoin me? That's all we have confirmed, don't It's
all you have confirmed? Now? Okay, so I know which
well you won't be You're not gonna be here. I'm
not a music guy who's you're not here? Right, that's correct.
I'm off. So you're catching a flight too? Is it
NonStop to Maui? Or you're going to Holleula first? Non
stop to Maui? Did you write down the restaurants that
I gave you? I did? They're here on my phone seriously? Yeah? Okay,

(01:51:25):
Leota's and Gazebo. Yeah, and then there's Star Noodle is
also good for for for dinner. Star noodle for news,
terrific or anything. Just I love. I mean, everybody knows
why Maui is amazing. I haven't been to I've been
to uh Wahu a bunch of times, Mauie only once.
I've been the other islands. But I mean, Maui's it's special.
And then do if somebody says, do you want to
do the Road to Hannah, you should do it. It's

(01:51:47):
pretty spectacular. I've done that. I did that back in
middle school. I think. Yeah, so it's been it's been
quite some time now. That was what five years ago, no,
two and a half. Let's get to the press, the press.
Steve de Sager joins us, Well, let's get as many
stories as we can in in as short period of

(01:52:09):
time as possible. Already, NBA you mentioned Sons guard Brandon
Knight suffering a torn a c L in his left knee,
expected to miss the entire season after surgery coming up
this Friday, apparently hurt in a Pro am game recently.
And the other NBA item for you the Portland trade
of Alan Crab to Brooklyn, Portland. According to ESPN's front
office expert Bobby Marks, Blazers will now see their current

(01:52:30):
luxury tax bill dropped from forty eight million to four
million with this trade. Because the Blazers now have still
over a hundred twenty million salary, but they are under
the luxury tax. Yeah, I wonder what that does in
terms of putting them at least in the discussion to
go and get Carmelo Anthony um. But look, Alan Crab
has had you know, the last two years, he's been

(01:52:51):
very productive and I think what people look at the
money he signed for number two. Last two years, he's
averaged ten points a game. He upped his field goal
scentage to seven percent, shot forty four from three. Uh.
I'm I'm obviously in the bag for Allen. My brother
recruited him out of Pace High School in southern California,
where he was l a city Player of the Year,

(01:53:12):
played at Cal Berkeley and then kind of struggled his
first two years. So this is one of the things
that that the Nets have been able to do as
their as Sean Marks, another Cal Lump former player, has
tried to remake their roster. They've been able to take
on some big salaries from other players because they just
haven't had any draft picks. A couple of NFL items.
Michael Vick is in Kansas City Chiefs camp as a

(01:53:35):
coaching intern, just during training camp for Andy Reid. Of course,
there's a connection with the Eagles of those two. Lyle
Collins is finally getting paid like a first rounder. NFL
dot Com reported earlier today that Collins and the Dallas
Cowboys have agreed to terms on a two year extension
that will pay him over fifteen million dollars total, including
the signing boasts bonus that keeps him through Dallas through

(01:53:57):
the end of It's it's it's really smart. Remember, Lile
Collins was the kid who was gonna be a first
round draft pick and then uh former girlfriend, uh at
her boyfriend or some of that closer was like murdered
like a week or so before the NFL Draft, and
so because it wasn't really the time to investigate, like
trying to look at his background, he fell in the draft.

(01:54:18):
It's one of the things that the Cowboys like, we
gotta give them credit. We're gonna talk about it tomorrow
on some of these other off the field kind of
little things, these little hickeys, as not just Zeke Elliott,
but some of the other things that are going on.
But they took a chance on a little Collins and
it is paid off, and now they're trying to kind
of reimburse him for his draft day loss, which is

(01:54:38):
a smart thing to do, and it's part of what's
made the Cowboys one of the favorites to reach the
Super Yeah, he was originally undrafted and signed cheap for
the Cowboys originally. Jim Harbaugh was a Big ten media
Day addressing of course the media in Chicago and does
confirm that after the Rome trip for his team at
Spring Drake next year it's funded by Booster. Likely they
are going to Paris and to no Rmandy. Also, he

(01:55:01):
says he claims that they have three guys about tied
for the quarterbacks starting job at this point, including the
incumbent starter Wilton's fate. I'm fascinated by horrible. I thought
last year they were the best team in the Big
tent um. Remember how State was super super young. I
know how State beat them in overtime. I realized how

(01:55:22):
that um and they realized they struggled on the road.
But I think hardball has changed the game and recruiting
them in Michigan are gonna be around for a long time. Obviously,
Penn State has showed their legitimacy as well. But I'm
fasted by the hardball thing. And to anybody who's being
critical of the Italy trip, this becomes no different than
basketball teams making foreign trips as often as they can

(01:55:43):
in the off season, or other groups at universities shaking
said trips. Speaking of quarterbacks, by the way, Marcus Mariotta
with Titans camp starting on Friday, you had the broken
leg last year, he says, he feels great, thinks his
body is in good shape. Can't wait to get it going.
And how about this out of our beloved producer found
I did see this in the news of Wisconsin. Company
as a plan to implant employees with microchips. Three Square

(01:56:06):
Market has an interest in the technology because it owns
machines that can utilize microchips. Workers aren't being forced to enroll,
although the CEO says about fifty employees, including himself and
his family, will get chipped August one, and with the
wave of their hands, employees will be able to open
doors that require I D cards. They could log into

(01:56:27):
their computers, operate copy machines, or pay for snacks out
of the company's vending machines. Now with a wave of
the arm Book of revelation. Anybody you have what happens
when haw nine thousands starts making them do things that
they don't want to do? Right? What do they break wind?
As it sudden they start opening up all of the
doors uh in in the building, and and and while

(01:56:47):
listen and I while I appreciate the fact I will
not be tracked, Like really, your cell phone, your Apple watch,
those your car those track you just as well. That's suppressed.
Get out there and pressed. That was the press. All right.
So you've seen dun Kirk, haven't you. You've seen? Oh, yeah,

(01:57:07):
it was great. It was really good. We're seeing Oh,
we're seeing and definitely have to see it in theaters
to make it really worth it. Unless you have like
a really cool theater room. Yeah, unless you're like a
big ball right, I don't have I'm not. I'm not
saying I do it this. I still even moved into
this house, so I don't. I'm not gonna have a
theater room at this house. But I'm saying if you
have a big baller, yeah, because like any other Christopher

(01:57:28):
Nolan movie, the camera work and the sound is what
really makes the difference. I have a safe trip to Maui. Uh.
We may or may not miss you, may or may
not have a job when you get back. I don't
think I will. Uh. Like tomorrow, we're gonna talk about
the Cowboys and their issues. We'll find out if Kyrie
is moved. In the meantime, you can download the podcast
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