National Championship Preview, Patriots Drama and NFL Draft Delusions

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to What Up America Doug Gottlieb show, Fox
Sports Radio, coming to you from the beautiful city of Angels.
M m um, just a quick thought to uh, baseball,
the hell are you doing? It's not that hard, like

(00:24):
something's are are just not that hard and they run
the risk of this constantly. I've seen Colorado have games
snowed out. Yankees home opener is snowed out. But um,
like the math is not hard, It's not difficult. Four
of the five teams in the NL West I can
guarantee will not be affected by snow. Um, it's not.

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N L Central is more difficult because you only had
the Brewers with a dome. In the National League East,
the Marlins, the and the Braves are pretty much set.
The American League is a little bit more, a little
bit more dicey. But the truth is that all the
AL West teams should be hosting games at home against

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teams from the a L Central and the AL East,
with the exception of Tampa and Toronto. There are plenty
of places to play for a couple of weeks and
get out of April, where you run out of early April,
where you run the risk of snow. Like I like
to think that we're evolving as human beings. I do.

(01:30):
And then I realized that we have no flying cars,
even though for the last thirty years they've been predicted.
Now we have electric cars, we have hybrid cars, we're
starting to get smarter cars that can drive themselves, but
we don't have any flying cars. So maybe we're a
little bit behind. I don't understand baseball, like I just

(01:50):
I don't get it with baseball. Just this idea. First
of all, there's day baseball games. Why is that possibly
a good idea. It's not Caesar Chavez Day everywhere? Is it?
Not in Pittsburgh, not in Detroit, not in Milwaukee. Just
doesn't see it doesn't seem like these are good plans,
these are well thought out plans. I don't understand baseball.

(02:16):
If you have a dome or if you're in an
area that it's not going to snow, those are the
places where you get to host games for the first two,
two and a half three weeks of the season. That's fine,
and then those teams go on the road for a
good stretch. Okay, these things can be worked through. You know,
it doesn't happen in Toronto with a dome. What doesn't

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happen in Milwaukee with a dome? What doesn't happen in Miami?
What doesn't happen in l a Or in Houston or
in Seattle with a dome, or in Texas or in Oakland?
No baseball? Come on, man, come on all right? Today
is uh first first day of Masters Week. You're welcome. God,
I'm excited about this masters. Of course, It's also the

(03:02):
day of the National championship game in college basketball. There's
a lot of things that are interesting about this game.
There are a ton and I think the biggest thing, like,
it's always amazing to me how one thing, one action
can tip the scales dramatically. Think about this for a second.

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Um Michigan State, which has been to this point an
absolute powerhouse in the Big Ten and tomasos coach seven
Final four teams, winning national championship in two thousand, Martin Cleaves.
But what started that war run? What triggered that run? Well,

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first four which was the high school class of I
turned down a scholarship offer to Michigan State. This is
a true story. Tomazo called me from the delivery room
of his first baby. Put the doctor on the phone,
so that I was that important and I didn't even visit.
I didn't did visit. Probably should have gone there instead
of going to Notre Dame. Would have been great to

(04:06):
play his style with all those players. That the year
would have been the year after I finished went and
won a national championship. But they won because of the
flint Stones and the reason they got Mateine Cleaves, who
everyone thought was going to Michigan, was on his visit
to Michigan. They got into a car accident. Remember Robert Trailer,

(04:27):
Robert tractor trailer, r I Peter Robert Trailer who tragically died.
Remember tractor Okay, So one of the reasons I want
to go to Michigan State was they were recruiting me
and tractor trailer and got himed Albert White who also
went with truck to UH to Michigan. So Robert Trailer
was driving a Ford Explorer, got into a car accident.

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Cops rolled up, who's this Florid Explorer? Belonged to it
belonged to his grandma. Somebody did some digging. Turns out
his grandma hadn't worked in years. How can you afford
brand to explore? They his search turned out Robert Trailer
was getting money from a guy in Detroit that brought
down all of Michigan's program. They went on probation, Mateen

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Cleves goes to Michigan State, and the rest, as they say,
is history. Same thing happened with tonight. Jalen Brunson is
the best player in college basketball. He's about a six
ft one point guard, and he's the perfect two thousand
eighteen point guard. Perfect. He can make open shots, he

(05:30):
can get his own shot enough, it's great off the
pick and roll, he can post up, he can defend
well enough. He like does everything really really well, and
he's not scared of taking and making the big shot.
And because he's not a freak athlete, he couldn't be
a one and done or a two and done. Even
if he goes out after this year, it's probably a
second round draft pick because he's probably a backup guard

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in the NBA. He's the son of Rick Brunson, who
played forever in the NBA. Like, oh, yeah, I remember
Rick Brunson. Rick Brunson, don't you know, played at Temple
and Jalen Brunson, by all accounts, was gonna go to Temple.
Because Rick Brunson was going to be on staff at Temple.
Then Rick Brunson got arrested, and when he got arrested, Temple,

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Temple backed away of offering the dad a coaching position.
And now Jalen Brunson turns and goes to Villanova. And
he was the other guard with Ryan Archie Diacano going
back two years ago. And now kind of like Tim
Tebow who backed up was it Chris Leak in his
first year? Yeah? Now is it Junior? He's probably gonna
win another national title and he's the National Player of

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the year. One action and oh yeah, by the way,
Illinois coaching staff they thought he was from Chicago. They
thought they were getting him one action. They lose their jobs.
Fran Dumphy. Over the weekend it was announced that he's
going to retire at the end of next year. If
he had Jalen Brunson, he wouldn't be retiring. They'd be
erecting a statue in his likeness out in front. You

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don't get Jalen Brunson and you get fired. You do
get Jalen Brunson, who, unlike some of these other star recruits,
passed to stay in college for three four years and
oh yeah, he's already mentally way ahead of any of
these kids his age. Are there other contributing factors? Sure?

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You know. I pointed out last weekend and on this
weekend on Twitter that they're helped out by all of
their red shirts that Michael Bridges and Dante de Vincenzo
and and Eric Pascal transferred in from Fortumat the red shirt,
all these guys you look at there. Marie Spellman didn't
get academically eligible, so he had the red shirt last year.

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So you have an older team, a skilled team, one
whose culture is outstanding there, coaching is remarkable. And yeah,
they're going against the Michigan team. That's kind of a
surprise with how well they played, and I think Michigan
have give him a good game. But think about that.
The Michigan State dominant run of Thomas, though, was started
because Robert Trailer got into a car accident on a

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car that that was the title was under his grandma's
name and she hadn't paid for just like Jalen Brunson
completely changed the trajectory of Jay right all because his
dad got arrested. It's crazy stuff, right, crazy stuff, and

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um and I get Colin Cowherd said, and it was
a smart It was a really smart take earlier today
which she said, Hey, this is an underdog school, an
underdog city, an underdog league, the new Big East. There
used to be in the underdog. They're gonna be there.
The prohibitive favorite tonight to be Michigan. While they handle
that pressure normally, I would say probably not. On the
other hand, most people thought they'd be here tonight. You've

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got three starters that have started in a national championship
game two years ago, and that was a much more
pressure field, pressure packed game, and I just think that
they're better. Evan Daniels and joined us. Up coming next,
we'll get his thoughts on this year, on this game,
on this tipping point with Jalen Jalen Brunson completely changing

(09:11):
the trajectory of illanovs basketball. Plus should coaches stay away
from recruiting the elite the uber elite? One and done
sort of kid. We also have Chris mannis gonna join us,
Mark Slayer is gonna join us. I'm gonna get to
tell you why why I hate basketball and a dome,

(09:32):
but I get basketball and a dome. Got some Rob
Grondkowski for you, got some Josh Rosen for you A man.
I mean, look, in a year in which so much
has been discussed in terms of cultural problems in college basketball,
you've got two programs that have great winning culture, cultures,

(09:52):
great winning coaches that appear to both be doing it
completely the right way. Is this the end of the
elites recruiting the one and done? And should we change
the three point line? I'll get to both up coming
next in the Doug Gotlip Show, Fox Sports Radio. This
is the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. There's

(10:16):
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Sports Radio. Getting ready for the National Championship game tonight
in college basketball, and what happens oftentimes is we make

(10:39):
these big, bold, outlandist statements about a season or the
future of the sport based upon a tournament, which frankly
is pretty darn random, right Like, Look, I know it's
an unbalanced schedule in the Big Ten, but Michigan did
in fact finished fifth place in the Big Tens. If
you want to tell me that there's this is a trend,
this is like okay, okay, sure fine. They were also

(11:05):
dead to rights beaten by Houston. Like if if this
kid's named Devin Davis he makes free throw, we're not
having this conversation, not having this conversation at all. But um,
I do wonder if we see some trends. I made
the statement earlier today. Tias Jones stays at Duke, and

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Tias Jones and Jalen Brunson are I don't know the
same guy right there. Not great athletes, but they're great
point guards. They make everybody around them better. I know
their games a little bit different. But Tyas Jones used
in National Championship as a freshman, which he hit shots
in and part laid that into being a first round pick.

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Granted he's barely played in Minnesota, his hometown. If he
stays three four years, Duke wins to three national championships.
Jalen Brunson stays three so far, and he's gonna have
a chance to win his second. And this only took
place because Rick Brunson got arrested. Otherwise he probably plays
a temple Evan Daniels joins us in the Doug Gotlip Show.

(12:09):
How far off am I? Hello? Did you hear? Did
you hear anything of what I was saying? I'm sorry,
I was put I was tweeting something, so I missed
the first part. Doug, Well, I'm a little hurt. But
then I was tweeting when you were answering, so I
don't even know what you said. I'm kidding, um, I said, like, look,
I I know that people are saying, well, it should

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be the end of the recruiting the one and Dunns,
But part of it is just a little bit of luck,
right Like if ty if Tya Jone stays at Duke,
they probably win a second national title. And he's a
lot like Jalen Brunson, right, not not so flee to foot.
He's gonna be the NBA starter. Jalen Brunson has developed
into a better player, but they're kind of the same,
and that they're that borderline guy, super high i Q

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make everybody better, making up shots win games. And because
they got Jalen Brunson, they got a shot to win
their second time in three years. No, I think that's
a tremendous point I mean, look, Trey, Trey Jones wasn't
a great NBA prospect. Now he's going on to to
hang on Tis traces brother, going to Duke I do
the same thing. It's okay, Yeah, well I think Trey

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is along that mold. But I think that tis uh,
he's gonna end up being an NBA player for for
a while. But he's not a great NBA prospect. And
the truth is neither as Jalen Brunson. But I think
he could be in the league for eight to ten
years as a backup. And you're right, like Villanova got
a little lucky that he hasn't. I mean, last year
he could have easily lacked and now he comes back

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and he's the best player in or argument, the best
point guard and all college basketball. And look, Villanova is
not in the National title game without Jalen Brunson. So yeah,
I think exactly what I think. I completely agree with
exactly what you're saying. Evan Daniels joining us on the
Doug Gottlib Show. The other part of the Villanova story
which is interesting is uh that a twofold one. You

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go back to O nine, they had the best recruiting
class the country. They could make it work. Now, these guys,
it's not like he's taken, you know, top three hundred guys,
their top hundred ish sort of guys. But how many
of them have red shirted? Right, DiVincenzo red shirts? Bridges
red shirts? Um in a world that no one wants
to red shirt, right right? I mean these guys and

(14:18):
you Smellman had to red shirt because of academics, but
he red shirted, you know, so you got what's his
name from Erica's from Pascal? Yeah, Pascal, Pascal is a
red shirt shat. That's four red shirts in your in
your top six, and you and I both know how
how important and valuable that extra year can be. A

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guy like mckel Bridges, uh never was productive in high school,
but he always had a lot of upside. Doug he was,
he was, he had the links, he had good size,
but he was rail thin and even in a U
he wasn't productive. So do we threw him like in
the back like the last kinspopped of our top one
when I was still at scout dot com, just based

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on upside? He goes in red shirts and and two
years later he's this big time prospect and now I
think he's a lottery pick. I mean that year is
so valuable in terms of building um their bodies and
getting them in great physical condition. To Mari Spellman lost
like forty pounds. You know, he wouldn't be the player now,

(15:20):
um if he hadn't had that year. It was extremely
helpful to him. And I also think you have to
credit you mentioned the range that kind of Jay Wright
has recruited from an interesting story. You know. He you
mentioned he had that number one class, But but Villanova
for a couple of years had I don't want to
say they've fallen off, but they weren't winning like they

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had been prior. And I asked Jay about that, and
he said they they got excited because they were able
to recruit a higher caliber player in higher ranked player,
but with that came some difficulties and came some challenges,
and he said they got a little away from recruiting
like the culture kid that they've kind of been known for.

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And now they're back doing it and they were able
to grab a top twenty five guy like Jalen Brunson.
But really, if you look at the recruits and the
rankings for the recruits, most of them live in that
range range, and they've just gotten guys that stuck around
for a couple of years that they can develop. Stud
Gotli Show Fox Sports Radio. That's the voice of Evan Daniels,
Fox Sports one and seven Sports college basketball analysts, recruiting

(16:28):
guru as well. Uh, speaking of recruiting Michigan, these guys
weren't hardly highly touted. Charles Matthews kind of an afterthought
when he was at Michigan. He transfers and he kind
of he saved him the other day when when they
had no offense to start the second half. Um, Wagner,
you know, anytime you get a foreign player, you want
to have him developed on you. And he's become way better.
He's probably the only true pro first round draft pick

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on their roster. What's your sense of Albi Line has
been able to put this thing together in spite of
of them not recruiting at the normal level of Michigan.
I mean, one, he's a ridiculous coach. Moe Wagner was
always going to be a good player. I think, Um
he he This is a guy that had an opportunity
to leave last year too. He was very highly thought

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of coming out of Europe. I mean, this was a
guy with a lot of potential and uh, they've been
able to keep him around for a couple of years
in developed But you mentioned the transfer of Charles Matthews.
He's been huge for them, not just that last game,
but throughout the season. Duncan Robinson wasn't even a Division
one transfer. Um, he's done it in an unorthodox way.
But he's also time, you know, as well as anyone

(17:32):
the student can really coach. And I think maybe what's
interesting is too, this isn't like his best shooting team.
Like usually he's got a bunch of wings that can
just absolutely make shots, and this is a little bit
different of the team, but some of those guards are
pretty highly raided. Dager Sinson was always the top fifty
seventy five type player in high school and he's come
up pick huge for them too. Evan Daniels joining us

(17:53):
on the Doug Gottlip Show. So is this do you
think there will be some sort of trend, Hey, stay
away from the guys that want to go to the
pros early. No, I don't think that's ever gonna be
a trend. But I don't think the recipe for winning
a National Championship is a team full of one and done.
I think the team uh maybe with a couple, but
also you've got to have somebody. You've got to have

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older leadership. You've got it like that Kentucky team that
won I think in two thousand fourteen and had Anthony
Davis and Michael kick Gil Chris, but then it also
had a Darius Miller that had been around for four
years and was a really good player. Like, if you're
gonna go that route, you've got to be able to
mix in some experience, uh, and some depth and some leadership,
some guys that have been there uh for a little bit,

(18:36):
like that Duke team with Tias Jones. That dude was
an exceptional leader, but they also had Quinn Cook next
to him, you know what I mean. And then it
has become an NBA guard um and and and they
had others, you know, they brought up other vets off
the bench. That's a hard thing with Duke. All right,
this this is off, This is tad off top topic, Doug,
but I think it speaks to what we're talking about.

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Permit Davis over the last seven years is one nearly
twenty six games a year and before that, he he
didn't have the same success at all, And I asked
him what what was what was the different Obviously he
was good, but not to that level. And I said,
what what did you do differently? And he said, I
recruited to stay older. And I think we're seeing the
importance of that not only at the mid major level,

(19:19):
but throughout college basketball. It's why transfers are so valuable now. Yeah, um,
speaking of which, going down to the Final Four, there's
a lot of talk about changing rules. What do you
think ultimately is done, uh, to kind of tinker with
the college basketball rules. Your guest is as good as mine.
I mean, I think a lot of people would like
to see them open up and allow agents to get
involved early. I don't know if that's the answer, but

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I do think that eventually these these kids are going
to be allowed to go straight out of high school.
I think by two thousand twenty that probably happens. A
lot of the NBA guys think that. Um so, I
think two thousand twenty could be the first year that
guys can go straight from high school to the NBA.
I mean, you saw last week Darius Basley is going
to go to the G League. I don't think he's

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starting a trend by any means. Twenty six dollars in
the G League not gonna really entice a lot of people.
But I do think the kids are gonna be able
to go straight from high school to the NBA in
the year two thousand twenty at least that's how it's
shaping up now. I think that's the big moment. Yeah,
I I was. I was led to believe that NBA
guys don't want that. The college basketball guys don't want that.
Only the agents want that because it gets them to

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the second, second contract quicker. But the most important thing
is is Adam Silver may want that. And he's got
a huge voice. Yeah, I also think that Adam Silver,
he's he's one of these conflict avoidance sort of guys.
And and he and and the the noise, the noise
is louder than the reality of it, right, the noise

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tells him open it up when the reality is. If
I think you really talked to his people, I think
he might get a different response. The basically thing I think.
Do you think maybe he sees he sees weakness as
a from a business standpoint In the n C double
lay and maybe now it's the time for him to
strike and get some of those biggest names. You know,
deanre at Is. I mean he that dude could have

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played in the NBA or found some sort of role.
But no, he wouldn't have. That's that's not hold. Let's
let's look deandret In looks like a man now. Had
he arrived in an NBA roster, Okay, had he been
drafted last year, he would have struggled massively, like this
is a he would have he would have struggled. Oh yeah,
and he wouldn't have. He wouldn't have had the team
agree with that, he wouldn't have And he wouldn't have

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had the time to build his body. He would have
gotten right into something like one of the things that
let's just take a Lonzo ball who had a really
good year. They haven't had the time to break down
his jump shot and build it back up. They haven't
had the time to break down his body and build
it back up. Like, yeah, Ben Simmons is playing great.
He had a red shirt year in the NBA, and
that's they all need. They all need time. And I

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actually I agree, I misspoke. I agree with you on
that I think that, so I'm not even saying for
the players that it's always best for them to go
to the m Yeah, I think that they should have
the right to go make money if they want to.
But you're right a year. That year is very valuable
for a lot of these guys because they're not only
mature from a physical standpoint, but also off the court

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and ask people too. I think that's big. I also
think that, honestly, college basketball really helps the NBA in
creating a name. While you knew who DeAndre was going
into college basketball last year, and maybe some people knew
who Marvin Bagley was, he can't tell me that had Duke.
I mean, like, look, every game he wins brings more
attention to his brand. And one of the things that

(22:34):
I think hurt both the brand of college but also
of the pro of when they go to the pros
is we don't know him ownA. We just don't like.
The most known high school prospect is Zion Williamson, and
I think he's probably the least NBA ready of the
Big three going to Duke. But going to Duke will
only help promote those guys like I I think if

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I'm Adam Silver. I want them to stay in college.
I want that. I want them to promote my future
star ours, all while refining them as people as players.
I think he's doing the opposite because he's one of
those guys that reacts more to the noise than to
the reality. Yeah, that's a fair point. I think Zion
is kind of a completely different Um, that's a different situation.

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This dude's like a YouTube sensation just because because of
his ability to leap and fair point on it. I'm evan,
I'm I'm I'm losing you really quick, really quickly. I
just want to ask you, is it is it locked up?
Since that that Jalen Brunson goes pro? I think so,

(23:37):
I think he's gone. I think he's a back in
first round or at least second rounder. What more else
does this guy have the proof? No, I mean, unless
he wants to try and win back to back. Unless
he wants to try and win back to back titles. Yeah,
I mean, the dudes a winner, he's a competitor. I'm
sure he wants to win back to back titles. But
I don't know. They just stop goes any higher. So
I'm probably out. Yeah, No, I and I have no

(23:57):
problem with him going on. I just I just wonder,
it's just at in my head, you know, does he stay?
Does he does he go? It's it's fascinating. There's a
lot of a lot of Josh harton. The Lakers absolutely
love Josh hard because he has that same kind of
kind of culture. Evan enjoyed tonight's game. We'll talk very
very soon, okay. At Evan Daniels on Twitter, The Doug
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Dan Buyer. Let's check in. What's what else is going
on in the world. Welcome back from San Antonio, Doug.
Good to have you back. You mentioned at the top
of the show opening day home openers for teams around
Major League Baseball, including in Milwaukee, where Miles Michaelis is

(24:42):
helping his own cause. The Cardinals picture at a two
run home run. Red Birds have a four to lead
over the brew crew right now, bottom of the fifth inning.
What's his name? Miles Michaelis yes, um alright, spent a
couple of years in Japan, coming over two or three
years in Japan. Now starting for the Cardinals, and as
the saying goes, Doug helping his own cause today, Cardinals

(25:04):
up helping your own cause. Third baseman Colin Moran helped
his cause in the Pirates cause with a grand Slam.
Pirates at top of the Twins five four, right now
on the top of the seventh inning, Tigers the Royal
six to one in the eighth. No home opener for
the Yankees today against the Raised postponed a Yankee Stadium
because of snow. Mets and Phillies also postponed because of

(25:25):
that snow storm. College basketball's National Championship is tonight. Michigan
takes on Villa Nova nine Eastern Time from San Antonio.
While Michigan State freshman Jaren Jackson Jr. Is leaving school
to enter the NBA draft. Doug reports out of Chicago
State the Bulls shutting down Zach Levine and Chris Dunn
for the season because of injuries. Because injuries, Hello, Zach

(25:47):
Leinos coming off and a c l U. They want
no part of winning the rest of the season. I'll
show you why in a second, how you're like the
only human being who loves is If you guys don't know,
like are a longtime Brewer fan and growing up in
state of Wisconsin, day baseball to me, I just don't know.
Summer day baseball I kind of get. But spring day

(26:10):
baseball on a Monday. True. One of the reasons why
you see it more often is because, and this alludes
to what you mentioned at the top, some of the
temperatures at night would get too cold, so it's warmer
in the day for some of the Upper Midwest. Now
Miller Park, you can close the roof and you're fine.
Does that dome still close by the way? Okay? Yeah,

(26:30):
some some of them, some of the retractable ones, they're like, yeah,
we don't really like to close it because it doesn't close.
You'll see the Tigers probably play in the in the
twins as well, maybe more day games early on at home,
just because of the temperatures at night. Great stuff, Dan,
good do have you been good to be back alongside
dam fire. You gotta get the Hooters and try the
new smoke wings, the whole new way to crave wings,

(26:50):
all the taste and half the calories you can eat
twice as many. All right, Um, Josh Rosen has now
tweeted out about this story, so let's talk about it.
Where Jim Mora, his former head coach, says, quote, Josh
Rosen needs to be challenged. Now, look, there's a longer

(27:11):
quote than that. Remember, Moura stood by his opinion from
last week that Darnel was a better fit for the Browns.
He added that he believes Rosen is the number one
quarterback in the draft. He's a franchise changer. But he
needs to be challenged intellectually so he doesn't get bored.

(27:31):
He's a millennial. He wants to know why. Millennials wants
to know why they're good. Josh has a lot of
interests in life. If you can hold his concentration level
and focus only on football for a few years, he
will set the world on fire. He has so much
ability as a really good kid. Josh Rosen, why why? Um? Look,

(27:57):
this is Jim Mora speaking in code. Right. There are
certain kind of buzzwords, certain buzzwords. It's like, did you
see that what what Sinclair Media did over the weekend?
Do you got any guys see this Robert did you
see it. So Sinclair owns all these local TV stations,

(28:17):
all these local affiliates, and they had all they had
all their anchors stand up and talk about fake news,
and they used all these kind of buzzwords like political
buzzwords and other. Course President Trump tweets about it. And
if you take it on, if you take it just
by what how you read it, You're like, oh, well,

(28:38):
they're just saying, hey, look we're trusted news source. We're
gonna thoroughly investigate. You don't want to just you know,
read something on Facebook and think that it's real. Instead,
go to people you trust. The problem with it is
the idea of fake news. Fake news is a word
that could be easily trademarked by our president to which

(28:58):
he calls legitimate news fake news. You know, the most
qualified news men and women in the country work for
some of the best pieces of journalistic in endeavors and
integrity in the country. And though that's what he calls
fake news. And so you use these kind of trigger
words and buzzwords. And I'm not simply using him. That's

(29:19):
just an example. We do this in anywhere in life
where you have buzzwords, words that gets your attention words
that say what you're really trying to say in all
the other words, though, it makes the sentences. If you again,
if you read all of this, this doesn't sound bad
at all. All right, let me read it again to you.
Needs to be challenged intellectually so he doesn't get bored.
He's a millennial and he wants to know why millennials

(29:41):
wants to know why they're good. He has a lot
of interest. If you can hold his concentration level, only
focus on football for a few years, he will set
the world on fire. He has so much ability. He's
a really good kid. Right in totality, that's pretty good,
pretty awesome. But um, he said he's still take take

(30:04):
Like if he's so awesome, if he's not one counterback
in the draft, why the hell wouldn't take him in Cleveland?
And then he says millennial and millennial is a word
that it's a lot like mediocre, a lot like the
word mediocre, Like do people know what the word mediocre means?

(30:27):
If I say, my wife says, how is dinner? She says,
and I say, it's mediocre, Dan Buyer. If I say
to my wife, uh, and she asked, how dinner was,
And I say mediocre, Is that a good thing or
a bad thing? I think it's a bad thing. But
what does mediocre actually mean? Um? Average, Yes, means completely average.

(30:48):
So if I tell my even if I tell my wife, hey, listen,
you're a great cook. How is how is that meal?
It was mediocre? Like if on average, she's a really
good cook, and this was simply average, it's well above average. Right,
But mediocre is a word with a complete negative connotation,
which is what millennial is. To anyone who's forty and up. Up,

(31:12):
you say millennial and you're like, oh god, he's a millennial.
They're always tweeting or texting and staring at their phones.
They're doing selfies at every possible opportunity. You know, they
have the iPad and the iPhone and the I Mac.
It's all about me, me, me, me me, or YouTube,

(31:34):
not about we other than tender We. When it came out,
it's pretty cool anyway. He used the word millennial, which
sounds like an it's an accurate depiction, which could be
an accurate depiction of my wife's dinner average, but it
has a negative connotation. He also said Josh has a
lot of interest that's interesting. People do have a lot

(31:56):
of interest. They do. Like look, everybody has got something
else they're into. I got a buddy who likes to
drive Porsches really fast. I don't get it. I don't
understand it takes hours away from his family. You know,
he's got like three four porses, makes a bunch of money,
like dude, but he likes to drive really fast, does
so legally on on tracks across the country. I know

(32:19):
the guy's end up fixing up classic cars. There are
some guys that are a golf guy. You know what
I'm gonna do is a gun and go play a
quick nine. There's tennis guy. There's tybo guys. Type of
guy still exists as any may teach type of anyone.
But that's not what you don't want the reputation being
the guy who coached you in college, who offered you

(32:42):
a scholarship, who coached you for three years. Says, I
take somebody else, And by the way, I wouldn't just
take somebody else. I take somebody from an arch rival school,
and you're a millennial, and they've got a lot of interest.
Forget all the other fluff. The trigger words are all there.

(33:05):
He's telling you everything you need to know. He's telling you, millennial,
he's a pain in the ass, right, Oh God, they
want to know why and everything? Just do it? Josh?
Why why? Why? That's what two year olds do? Three
year olds do? My son was six. He went through

(33:25):
this why why why? Why? At some point you go
because I said, so, that's it. I don't want somebody
who has he has a lot of interest. That sounds
like a dude with a d D. And it's not
who Josh Rosen is he just it's just not that
much fun, That's what he said, Josh Rosen super talented?

(33:49):
Is he fine? Like? Not really? Right? Josh Rosen reminds
me how he's portrayed. Reminds me of a supermodel, right.
I think you take him out to dinner and they
look great, but they can't really eat anything and they're
so thin and they're beautiful, but there's so much better

(34:09):
looking than you are, like ah ah, And they can't
ever cut their they only can when they have their
hair done. They gotta have their hair done by somebody, right,
Like you know, I like a ball cap and sweats
kind of girl. I want a seven that I want

(34:29):
a ten that thinks she's a seven, not a nine
that thinks she's a ten. No, don't give me this,
won't be happy for the rest of your life. Get
yourself an ugly way. No thanks, all right, man, we
got a lot to get to. This is gonna be
a fun show. Peter King has a sorcerer, says the

(34:53):
Broncos are planning on taking Josh Allen number one. Big deal,
a little deal or no deal. I'll tell you next.
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again left San Antonio now in New York. Get to
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(35:56):
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So have yourself a sweet treat. Big deal, little dealer,
no deal. Doug that the women's final four had three
remarkable finishes this weekend, including two buzzer beaters by Riquel

(36:43):
Gumba wally of Notre Dame, leading them to a national championship.
She said she had the mama mentality right. Yes, you
did see what she shot in the championship game. No
what we're the final stats six. There was five of
twenty before she made those game winners. That is the
mama mentality of have I ever seen it? But congratulations?
Uh to no tra dime? How exciting was their choke

(37:05):
job and then victory over yukon the semi finals. The
five point lead with like fifteen seconds left that was blown, yes, yeah,
and no free throws. It was the three and then
the steel and then the turnover. Yeah there was. There
was really good action this weekend in Columbus for straight
turnovers and you kinda had a chance to win it
seconds to big deal, little deal or no deal done.

(37:27):
By the way, I'm good on women's basketball for a
good year. Like watch parts of two games. I'm good,
thank you. Big deal, little deal or no deal. That
the Charlotte Hornets will offer their g M vacant see
the former Lakers general manager Mitch cup check. That's a
big deal. Uh, look, Carolina guys getting back together, Buzz Peterson,
Michael Jordan's Mitch cup check. Where they can hire Larry

(37:47):
Brown or George carl Right, it's gotta be a Carolina guys,
Caroline away. Uh. The the tenure with the Lakers was
obviously story. You want a bunch of championships after Jerry
West left left the position. But it ended with um,
the Steve Nash signing, which was a joke. Terrible. Uh.
It ended with uh, Timothy Masgov terrible contract. Um, Uh,

(38:12):
what's again? What's this? Lull? Dang lu wal Dang's contracts? Terrible?
They and they don't like him Maskov and then rust
In D'Angelo Russell. Uh, the number two pick in the
draft who they couldn't wait to get rid of until
so they did last year to Brooklyn. So it didn't
end well with the Lakers. Let's see what he does
with the Horns. Big deal, little deal or no deal?
Dog That Warrior. Swingman Patrick McCaw has been released from

(38:33):
the hospital following his injury on Saturday night and included
this tweet since about twenty minutes ago, quote Mr Vince Carter,
I know you didn't mean to harm me in any way.
Actually it's Mr Vince Carter fifteen, as he tagged him
to my coaches, teammates and friends, family. I love you
guys so much for being there with me. It was
it was scary, scary, scary moment, no question, scary moment

(38:54):
um and Vince might not want to hurt him, but
he did Lowbridge him and then Vince was like complaining
about the foul being called that first before you saw
him writhing in pain. But it's a big deal, big
deal that he's okay, big deal, little deal or no
deal that The MMQB dot Com is quoting a friend
of Brown's GM John Dorset is saying the team will
take Josh Allen at number one, and then if sa
Kwon Barkley drops to four, they'll take the Penn State

(39:16):
running back. Um, yeah, okay, makes sense. Um, big dealtle um.
I think that's a smart deal. Yeah, that's a that's
a big deal. And I know Cal heard talked about it.
I've told you John Dorsey wants to do what they
didn't in Kansas City last year when he was there,
which is draft the best big arm quarterback, having learned

(39:38):
under that, haven't learned underpro. We'll do that with Tyrod Taylor.
That makes a ton of sense. I would draft Sam Donald.
I don't think it's close. I also wonder if not
anything we hear between now and the draft. We're gonna
hear a whole bunch of scenarios, as we always do. Finally,
big deal, little deal or no deal. That Bovado was
Rory mcelroyd Jordan's speet and Justin Thomas is having better
rods to win the Masters than Tiger Woods. Um, that's

(40:01):
a little deal. I mean, like, look, Tigers doesn't want
any of these tournaments he's been in, so it's an
act of faith if you want to, if you want to,
if you want to bet on him. But I'd say
it's a little deal that ds I tweeted out infro
that Tiger has been bet on by the most tickets,
followed by other fan favorites Filmmakels and Ricky Fowler and
Bubba Watson and the Bubba's won there twice recently. Phils
of course won there, but isn't playing great golf right now,

(40:24):
So I can't I can't wait till Wednesday the Part
three and then Thursday when the tournament gets in away.
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show, I
continue to hear whispers about the idea of the Patriots
and Rob Gronkowski being ready to file for divorce. And
it's interesting. You know, what we're seeing in college basketball

(40:46):
tonight is what I think we're seeing with Bill Belichick.
There's a correlation in Villanova, Michigan and the Patriots. Next,
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(41:09):
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already out this year? Uh yeah, we're already talking baseball.
It's because NBA do non playoff teams, but we get well,
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(41:32):
We will preview. I'll give you my picks a little
bit later on. Yes, I've been killing it with the
n c A tourman Chris Mann is gonna join us.
We'll ask him speaking of the NBA about Kawhi Leonard
he went back to New York. Was the second opinion?
Was it more rehab? Is there any chance he plays
in the playoffs for the Spurs? And the West is
kind of a mess, very topsy turvy there, from like

(41:54):
the third spot all the way to the ninth spot.
As far as who's in the playoffs and who they're
gonna play A Chris mannis Yahoo Sports and weekends on
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team is um. Sources have said that Rob Gronkowski still

(42:14):
hasn't made up his decision, but despite some serious considerations
since the end of the season of retiring because of
physical mental fatigue, sources say that Gronk is pretty certain
he'll come back as long as Tom Brady remains with
the team. Is Tom Brady going somewhere? We don't know. Uh,

(42:34):
This of course from Jeff Darlington, who writes, However, this
dose of good news Pats and Pats fans comes with
some delusion. Lingering frustrations remained between Gronk and Bill Belichick,
along with other players in the Pats organization. According to
sources close to each side, whether those frustrations on either

(42:55):
side will and Pat Gronks return to the team remain
the final He's the unfinished puzzle. Look Gronk speed up,
Gronks had a bunch of surgery. Gronk not happy, and
Gronk thinks he's got a post football career. And Danny
Amendola is gone. Um, and so the thought is with

(43:21):
all these other Nate soldiers gone, with all these others gone,
Malcolm Butler obviously gone. Hey man, I don't are we
gonna be good enough to win this thing. Look, there's
more news out about the Malcolm Butler thing. None of
it seems all that good for Butler. It just doesn't.
Nowhere in there is there Butler saying, Hey, you know

(43:42):
what Butler was like, I was trying to get back
to who I was, was trying to get back to health.
I was trying to none of it said that I
was ready to go, that I was playing my best football,
is the best version of myself. And some of the
comments of unnamed teammates say that, like, look, it was
a surprise, but wasn't like they didn't see some of
it coming. They weren't shocked because he hadn't been bringing it.

(44:07):
And there's there's something interesting going on in sports, and
I think you're gonna see it tonight. I do. I
think you're gonna see it. And honestly, we kind of
saw in the College Football National Championship. Do you remember
who was the starting quarterback for the Alabama Crimson Tide

(44:31):
and May have an idea. Remember that was Yeah, the
Crimson Tide of Alabama started a sophomore at quarterback in
Jalen Hurts, right, But they pulled Jalen Hurts for Tua
in the second half of the National Championship game, and

(44:54):
Jalen Hurt said something that was amazing afterwards, like I'm
so happy for him and happy for us, Like can
you imagine can you imagine if the biggest show of
the year, all of a sudden, I gotta tap on
the show, like, hey, god, they listen, We're bringing Buyer
in out of the pen. He's gonna take it the
rest of the way, and then Buyer absolutely crushes it
and we win some sort of mythical radio championship, Like

(45:19):
would I be happy for Dan Buyer? I think Dan
does a really good job. I listen to his afternoon
show every weekend he's on on Fox Sports Radio, and
I try when he fills in, I try to listen
because I think he's excellent. But whether it's jealousy, envy,
or just reality, I don't that'd be hard for me.
But part of it is the demands of Nick Saban,

(45:41):
like hey, if you're gonna be here, you're gonna sacrifice
your ego. I want to coach the guys I want
to coach. Look at the San Antonio Spurs. How have
they been able to have sustained success in the NBA?
Get over yourself, right, Get over yourself. We want to

(46:02):
have guys around here who want to be coached. You
look at tonight in college basketball and what changed with
Villanova two thousand nine. Villanova coming off of Final four.
They could have got anyway they want in the country,
and they did stop at Yaroo Dominique Cheek. They got
all these guys and Malik Waynes couldn't win games, couldn't

(46:26):
win with them because they weren't what what they'll what
they'll say is well, they didn't fit our culture. What
that means is they want to be coach in one
diving four, they want to take charges. Do you want
to move the ball? Didn't want to cheer for the
success of others because we wore the same uniform. And

(46:49):
that's the fight. When I was down at the Final
four in San Antonio. We have all these discussions, all
these discussions about about what changes need to be made
in college basketball. And you talked to high school coach
he talked to college coach and talked to pro coaches.
They'll all to say the same thing, dude, that every

(47:12):
year they seem to get more entitled, more about themselves
and less about the team. With the exception of the
teams that win. Those coaches find a way to get
guys to absolutely positively buy in. And how do you
do that by selecting guys that you want to coach
because they want to be coached. That's how So I

(47:34):
think there's actually a correlation here between the the grong thing.
Gronk is not happy. Okay, gron do you think we're
happy when when Bill BELLI? Do you think Bill Belichick
has been happy that he's had to go Super Bowls
without you there? But he's one of these guys. I
had this conversation with Mike with my son. So my son,

(47:56):
Hays is nine years old, and he went from being
just crushing in uh in baseball to he can't get
it hit. Now we'll see he's got He's got three
games this week. I'm sure we're gonna try and turn around.
But yesterday I was trying to get him to go
to the batting cages with me, and he's feeling so
blue about the fact he hasn't been able to get
a hit. Dad, I just want to have fun. I

(48:19):
just want baseball to be fun. I said, when was
baseball most fun? He's like, when I was getting hits.
I said, here's the thing. Baseball, football, basketball, riding horses, hockey,
whatever the fun is in the winning and hanging around
friends when your team is winning, when your team plays well,

(48:39):
and going to pizza parties at wards, like, that's fun,
legit fun. The process of getting good it's not all
that much fun. Sorry, it's fun to get a's. It's
not fun to study to get a's. And so while
Gronk and the Patriots, some of these Patriots are like, look,

(49:02):
I'd rather go somewhere and now when as much, but
have more fun. Go ahead, have fun, good luck because
it doesn't seem to be working elsewhere. It just doesn't
tell me the place where you're gonna have balls and
balls of fun. Now, you could say, look, I'm over

(49:23):
that I won a Super Bowl. I don't need it.
But asking you to sacrifice yourself for the team, asking
you to do the little things, to work a little
bit harder, to lock in a little bit more, just
to to stay out of the clubs, to stay out
of the newspapers, to try and say the right thing
and not cause a stir to be about the team

(49:44):
like this is a challenge for all coaches. And if
you and and sources close to boltics say he's at
the point to which you like, the hell with it.
I want to coach you, guys, I want to coach now. Look,
there's a there does come a point to which you're
you do need talent, But look no further than on
b Line tonight. Oh John Beeline can't recruit? Do you

(50:05):
need to? Even if he doesn't win tonight? It what
a big twelve, big ten tournament. They getting the National
Championship game. This is the type of team where every
kid will get a degree and maybe Moe Wagner ends
up playing in the NBA and maybe Charles Matthews, maybe not,
I don't know. Outside of that, no NBA players in
this roster. But you win a lot of games, and

(50:30):
you know what happens. We win a lot of games.
It's really fun. It's really really fun, really fun. So
we misassociate fun with fun when winning is fun. And
I don't blame Belichick first sitting there going like, you know,

(50:50):
I don't even know if I want him back, because
I don't want guys that want to have fun. I
want them to win, which is of course fun as
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We are. I also think there's a distinct possibility that

(51:10):
he wants to go do something else. Hey, I'd like
to go to uh w W E like, how much
is that worth? Right? And they probably said, you know what,
You're probably worth a couple million dollars to us to start,
and runk might be a lot of things. But he
sits there and goes like, okay, well I can make

(51:31):
I don't know, he makes nine or ten playing in
the NFL, and I can make two or three in
w W, which is always going to be there for me,
Like just ten is more than two or three? Correct?
Last time I checked for max twenty games, twenty appearances,
ten million dollars minimum, and I can always make that

(51:51):
two or three million dollars. That's what it feels like
to me. Well, sure, I'll come back if there's Tom
Brady if it's a little bit more fun like the
pages basically call his bluff. Okay, dude, ten million dollars here,
there's two million dollars there, Which do you choose? We'll
see in camp. Come up next, Chris Mannos will be

(52:12):
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I don't know where you stand on this, but I
don't think the cows are very good, and I think
once you get to the first round they're beautiful. Let's
say it's Washington the first round, the Wizards get John

(53:38):
Wall back. The Wizards, I mean, they talk a huge
game in the regular season and never amounts to anything,
but they've been a pretty good playoff team over the years.
I mean, but John wal clunker against the Celtics and
the conference semifinals. You want thing to kept them out of,
uh that conference finals, they're real threatened the first round.
I'm just not a believer that that there is this
proverbial switch, you flip, you've become a better defensive team.

(54:01):
I know the argument. You know, games are spaced out,
Lebron will be more checked in all the all the
guys on the calves. Maybe they're going to be healthy.
But I think these defensive problems are real, and I
think it's gonna be a six, seven round series in
the first round if they play a team like Washington.
I agree, and look, and I don't even know if
it becomes if that's the game that gets them, but
it's the attrition of long series, long series, you know,

(54:24):
and who knows they can stay healthy or if anybody
like Lebron can can only carry you so much. And
I'm I'll be fastated to see exactly how how that
plays out. What about D'Antoni expressed some frustration over their
lack of sharpness, and he's like, look, we're still gonna
play our guys. Is there any legit concern or are

(54:45):
they just bored because they've locked up the one seed now?
I I talked to a scout to watch them play
in the last couple of days, and they just look bored.
They look checked out. And if you're Mike D'Antoni, you've
got to be careful about just burning guys through the
regular seas. Remember what happened to James hard last year,
played only two and then wound up looking like a
shell of himself in that clincher against the San Antonio

(55:05):
and the conference final. I know that you want to
be as sharp as you possibly can going into the postseason.
But he's not dealing with with rookies or even like
late thirties guys that might need to rev their engine
up a little bit. He's got a hungry team there.
He's got Chris Paul and James Harden in the prime
of their careers, young guys, role players that are playing
the best basketball I would. I think stepping off the

(55:26):
gas is the right thing to do and letting these
guys rest because once again, once they get to the
conference semis, they're probably gonna be some tough fights for him.
Great stuff, great stuff. Yesterday I listened to the show.
Obviously I appeared on the show, but also listen to
what I was driving around is Chris Mannox. You listen
to Chris and Karen every Sunday right here on Fox
Sports Radio. Follow him on Twitter at Chris mannos y S.
That's for y'all who sports where he writes and he

(55:48):
got he has great insight into the NBA. Chris can't
tell you how much I appreciate it. The segment of
the day, Doug was yesterday you and Karen going out.
I could just get out of the way for that
for an hour. That was fun. It was. It was
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I did? I did as well. Thanks so much for
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(56:33):
What's the picture's name we started started the game? That
was Miles michaelis Cardinal. Did you see sports Illustrat had
a video of him a couple years ago. He's with
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Really yeah, oheez. In the bullpen. You should scale back
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(56:55):
back again. Up eight for Paul, the youngest third on
run of the season, a three run shot all St.
Louis right now. Cubs and Red's just Underwig and an
n L Central showed on as well. They're scoreless at
the end of one. Pirates trying to close it out
against the Twins. Pittsburgh scored five in the first, holding
on to a five four lead right now, while the
Tigers dropped the Royals earlier today six to one. Yankees
home opener against the Rays postponed because of snow, and

(57:17):
the Bronx. College Basketball's National Championship is tonight in San Antonio,
Villadelva takes on Michigan Eastern Time. Now. Michigan State freshman
Jaren Jackson junior leaving school to enter the NBA Draft,
as his Penn State sophomore Tony Carr in the NBA.
Multiple reports a the Hornets will offer their GM vacancy
to former Lakers general manager Mitch cup Check. Timberwolves guard

(57:38):
Jimmy Butler practice today could return Doug before the end
of the regular season from his meniscus injury at his knee.
Timberwolves right now in the seventh spot in the Western Conference. Yeah,
the the Western Conference playoffs for kind of topsy turvy,
aren't they. I Mean, you look at him, and I
thought the thunders win over the Pelicans was big egg

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that that really kind of solidified their spot kind of
in the top part of the bracket. But if you
look at the West, they're not a ton of Look,
there's not a ton of space there in the East either.
With Cleveland's got forty seven wins, Billy's got forty six
and He's got forty six, So you could you could,
You could conceivably see Indie being in the third seat
spot and Philly and Cleveland going at it in the

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first round. That would not be That would not be
ideal for the Calves. Not that the Sixers aren't better,
I mean aren't the Calves aren't better than the Sixers,
but that young team they're gonna screw around and win
two of those games and stretch you out, whereas I
don't think the Pacers can do that. And the Wizards,
of course, should be interesting. They could potentially play them,
and they're better than the six seat and they've been
playing without John Walt. Granted, they got to figure out

(58:44):
how to play with John woman he comes back, Doug.
For the last month, I have been on this kick
and whenever I get an opportunity, whether it be on
my show filling in for you, I talked about how
tanking has affected the NBA, and I'll say it again
with the amount. Notice howbody wins speaking has affected the
NBA for the for the Yeah, I did this. I
did this Friday. Now we look, we we great minds.

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And I did this without even talking to you about it.
You're right, the playoff teams, I mean, those are the
teams that you need other teams to lose to or to.
You need the tanking teams to beat those teams. And
all of a sudden, now if you have a seven
game win streak against the Sun's, Nets, Magic and Hawks,
I mean, it changes the whole face of the playoff system.

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I mean, if you had to if you had to
play the Hawks earlier in the year when they were
actually trying, and now all of a sudden, let's say
you're the Pacers and you get them two out of
the last four, you know games of the same Well,
just for an example, when they had when they were
playing days more, when they're playing their best players. Now
they've shut those guys down for the year. Yeah, I
think it's had a huge effect, and I think that's,

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you know, affected how we're seeing seating in the East
and West for all the bad teams that these playoff
teams have to play at the end. I agree with you, No, listen,
it's a it's a problem. Um. I saw this from
Mike Girardi, who works for NBC Sports Boston. He said,
I texted a couple of current Patriots about Malcolm Butler

(01:00:07):
media tour and his comments to Sports Illustrated. One said,
we all wished it would have worked out better, but
he said should have focused on what mattered those two weeks.
We didn't like the decision, but it wasn't without merrit. Also,
both said it's over and done with nothing, nothing getting
getting said. Now it changes the damn thing. Finally, on Butler,

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he tried to return himself to form, said one teammate.
We appreciate that, but was he ever himself last year? No?
So the the idea of the Malcolm Butler thing is
I get that all of us believe we know more
about the New England Patriots and what they should have done,
because look, I mean, Malcolm Butler is their best cornerback.

(01:00:50):
Malcolm Butler made that play in the Super Bowl. Malcolm Butler.
Malcolm Butler, Malcolm Butler, he should be playing. And maybe
you're right, maybe we're all right that playing Malcolm Butler
cost the Patriots the Super Bowl. Should be pointed out
that in spite of the fact that they did something
they never do, which is miss a field goal. Um,

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they missed a field goal. They obviously missed a subsequent
two point conversion because they were chasing points. They still
had the ball in Tom Brady's hands down five with
a chance to win the game. Suboptimal, not ideal. But
it wasn't a good defense the entire season. It wasn't.

(01:01:31):
And so the fact that they were and oh yeah,
by the way, this is after um, their best speed
wide receiver got hurt and they've been playing without Julian
Edelman all season. So you know, part of a part
of it is we can look at when you look
at the Patriots to say, if they play Malcolm Butler,

(01:01:52):
they win. But if I'm Bill Belichick, I might look
at and say I wouldn't be in eight Super Bowls
if I would played Malcolm Butler, and I have a
chance at other Super Bowls because I didn't play Malcolm Butler.
I think that's a legit conversation to have, And it
doesn't mean that all these unnamed sources like Mark Mike Girardi,

(01:02:15):
who knows people in the Patriots think the way that
each individual guy thinks. We all wish it would have
worked out better. Should have stayed focused on what mattered
those two weeks. We didn't like the decision, but it
wasn't without merit. None of this. It's bowl, none of this.
It cost us the game. Now this you know this
was about ego, about contract. No it's not. It was

(01:02:38):
about a guy who wasn't having nearly as good a year,
didn't have a good playoffs, and wasn't healthy, wasn't on
the team, one of the team playing. Remember that this
is by his own accounts. By his own accounts, Malcolm
Butler said he wasn't feeling He said, I wasn't feeling well,
so I went to the hospital, right, isn't that what

(01:02:58):
he said? Have any of you guys had a head
cold and gone to the hospital anybody has anyone has
that ever happened to any human being on Earth? You
know what? I had the sniffles, I had a head cold,
so I went to the hospital, missed the team play.

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I just don't understand how that's that's that's a possibility,
if that's explainable, and if it gets filtered up the line,
You're like, where's Malcolm. Why isn't he on the plane?
I don't know. He checked in the hospital, but I'll
meet us there. You say, hospital, I'm like, that dude's
on his death I don't go to the hospital list.
I'm on my deathbed. By the way, if you go

(01:03:42):
to the hospital when you're sick and you have team
doctors and team trainers, you're trying to hide something from
the team, Like, man, if I only had a doctor,
I could go see you know, they have a team
full of physicians, right, Like, is you guys anyone buying

(01:04:04):
Malcolm Butler's story. I have some beach front property Nebraska.
I'd like to sell you anybody wanted. I wasn't feeling well,
so I checked in the hospital, and that's why I
missed the team playing. You mean you weren't feeling well
and you didn't call the team doctors and told them
why you weren't feeling well and then came down to

(01:04:24):
see them and wanted their advice on how to proceed.
You didn't want to go with the team to the
Super Bowl, and then they would continue to treat you
round the clock for illness. No, no, that you don't
want to get there and get ahead of the team.
Meet them a day early so that when you were there,
so that as soon as they got out to plane,

(01:04:45):
the Dodgers could help you. And you said, hey, look,
I didn't want to get anybody else on the team
plane sick Like this is the worst excuse I've ever
heard in my life. Coming up next, Karen Butler really
believes that high school prospects would be better going straight
to the G League than they would spend a year

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Zone and now all right, So every day in the
Doug Gotlip So, we we bring back for you a
portion of uh, usually a show in the last twenty
four hours. This one just gets under the um. On
Sunday is the show New Show Chris and Karan Chris
Mannocks had just joined Uskaran Butler, longtime NBA player, former
NBA All Starr NBA champion, and I was on. We

(01:06:14):
had this discussion about uh, there's we talked about a
little yesterday. Darius Basilely, who's uh high school senior, is
gonna go straight to the G League, something that I've
told people for a long time you're able to do,
has decided to not go to Syracuse where he was
committed to going, and instead going to go to the

(01:06:34):
G League. So Karan and I had a discussion over
whether or not going to college. What was better going
to college or going to the G League. Here's Koran.
We we're talking about big picture and we're talking about Zion.
If you're looking at the n C Double A and
you're looking at the G League and the ultimate goal
is to be in the association being the NBA. And

(01:06:55):
we look at eighteen year old kids, we're talking MLB,
we're talking about golf. You don't want them to be
around grown people. But that's how you develop the true
competitive Can you play on this platform? He's gonna dominate
the n C Double A. And then you look at
the coaching bench, what guy that looked like him that
can teach him the skill set at the highest level

(01:07:17):
Besides coach k He's not gonna be out there in
the individual sessions showing him footwork, showing him to jump,
hook showing them things like that. But if you go
to a G League team and you're a little brother
to an organization, whether it's the Lakers, whether it's whoever,
You're gonna have pros coming in teaching you how to

(01:07:38):
drop steps people you respect. Okay, So twitch I said,
um I named the three assistants on staff now with
it with Duke, Chris CARROLLLL Nate James, both who played
at Duke recently, and Nolan Smith who played a Duke recently.
And Nolan Smith of course played the most in the
NBA of of those three guys. So if you want

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to diminish the staff, that's fine. If you want to
say that he's going to dominate college basketball, that's fine.
I don't think that Marvin Bagley dominated college basket when
by the way, if you watch Sion Williamson, he's got
a lot of work to do. He's played at a
low level in terms of high school basketball, and he's
known more because of YouTube as opposed to an R. J. Barrett,
who's the top recruit going to Duke, who's played at

(01:08:23):
a much higher level of high school and a U basketball.
But just look, there's a there's a component to it
which we continue to miss out on. We continue we
hear people say the big picture, and they're big picture
is how can I get paid fastest. That's not the
big picture. The big picture is the big picture your life.

(01:08:47):
Do you have a great life or do you have
a life where you made money? A year before, you
could make a lot more money. First of all, in
terms of making a lot more money, you can make
a whole hell of a lot more money. If you
play a duke and you play a final four, you
play against Caroline and Syracuse, Louisville and Notre Dame. You
play all his games on TV. That is called brand building.

(01:09:11):
You go playing the G League, you are in the
witness Protection program for a year from mainstream America. I'm
not saying I won't watch. I'll watch if basketball is
on TV, it's on my computer, it's on my phone,
it's on my watch. I will watch it. But I
am not mainstream America. We create legends because of what

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you do in college basketball for a year. Why do
you know Trey Young? If I said Aaron Harrison's name,
you might know him from Kentucky. Do you know he
was the best player in the G League this year
before you get called up? Of course you don't. You
know why because nobody cares about the G League. Nobody
cares about Major League Baseball. Stop comparing it to the
baseball model. Because if NBA players knew what baseball players

(01:09:57):
made for this first six years of their career, they
would poop their pants. They'd be like, wait, what some
of the best players in baseball aren't even making a
million dollars after being a league for a couple of years. Yeah, dude,
that's the deal. Like, no way, I wouldn't do that.
You're right. That's where the major League Baseball model doesn't work.

(01:10:20):
You have a chance to go and play under a
legendary coach who you can say he doesn't know about
the NBA, but he's pretty well respected when he coaches
USA Basketball. And if you want to compare staffs, that's fine.
Do they get to do they do? They get to
work with you more. In the pros they do, although
the South Bay Lakers they don't practice all that much.

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But more than anything, the big picture is you as
a person being around a major university and a really
well respected one like Duke, growing, maturing, being away from
home for the first time. All these things are important.
The maturation process of the human being is important. And
as a player, and there's brand building, but people will

(01:11:08):
lead you to believe that somehow it's better to make
fifty grand this year. Then then build your brand based
upon a seventy dollars scholarship, which is really worth hundreds
of thousands of dollars. Villanova is a ten that carries
itself like a seven. Josh Rosen can learn from him. Next,

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What up Snug Gottlip Show, Fox Sports Radio, bo Chut
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I hope you had a great weekend. I sure did.
H Yes, I watched parts of two women's basketball games.

(01:11:54):
Uh I did. I did. Gratulations didn't note no trade
damon Johnny Lujack would be very proud of the lady
irish at what they were able to accomplish. Where was
the women's Final four? I don't even actually know. I
have no no concept. I don't I could look, but
I have no no real idea it was. I was

(01:12:18):
in an arena. I'll say this. Uh, look, there are
a lot of people watch so um this being the
first my first year of Fox, I uh, I made
a a knee jerk decision that I was very proud of. Alright,
so here's the here's the thing. I've been to like
twenty final fours and they're all fun in San Antonio's
honestly my favorite spot one. I love Mexican food too,

(01:12:41):
actually like I like kind of the Mexican flair, and
I like the weather. Um, I like the river walk,
I like the I don't mind the dome that I
like the dome there because it's walking distance. It's not
as close as obviously in these dome is. I like it.
Hotels are nice, people are nice, food is nice, like
all that stuff all good. And I'm a huge fan

(01:13:04):
of San Antonio. So we got down there Wednesday. Wednesday
night was pouring rain, went out Thursday when out Friday
night was awesome. I got to hang out to see
a bunch of friends. Friday night kind of culminated with
my guy Darius Rucker and Charles Barkley and after after
Darius Private show and got my brother back there when
my close friends back there is a huge Darius fan.

(01:13:26):
Another one of my close friends whose wife is pregnant
like they was. It was just a great night. And
so I had tinkered with the idea of a tinker
with the idea of flying back early, and I looked
at my flights that Fox Sports Radio pays for, and
it was for Sunday and Um, I had a ticket

(01:13:51):
and I got I'd give it. I had tickets, and
I gave the tickets to my brother and his son
and to a couple other friends that I had gotten
tickets for, and I had my past, and I'm like,
you know what, here's the thing. I don't like watching
basketball games in the Dome. I really don't watch like
watching basketball games unless i'm really really I'm a ticket stop.
I had good seats unless I'm like basically on the court.

(01:14:16):
And even then, you don't get the replays unless I
have a monitor so I can see the replays. And
it's not like they have the big center hung scoreboard
like they do in Dallas. The Cherry's World. My son
and a baseball game, my kids, my girls rode horses.
It was nice. Weekend I watched at home was great.
And look, basketball is meant to be played in basketball gyms,

(01:14:38):
in a basketball arena. Now we can say all we
want about the back trop and how it affects shooting.
Sure didn't hurt Villanova, right, Villanova's what what what? What? Wap?
Thirteen threes later? Like my god, Jim Nances like, I
guess the background doesn't matter. It does not but it does.
It hurts the viewing experience. The crowd can get into it.

(01:15:02):
But like tonight, thankfully it's filling Ova. It's not Loyola.
I mean Figures Michigan, not Loyola. But it'll be relatively full.
But it's not gonna be the seventy people That was
sixty nine thou people there the other night. Anyone who
says it's good to watch a game in a dome,
come on, you lyned yourself. It's really cool to watch
those kids warm up out there and play in front

(01:15:24):
of the crowds. It's gotta be an amazing experience. But
basketball is better when played in arena specifically designed for basketball.
But if you don't understand, this is the n c
a's bake sale, all right. This is their bake sale.
This is their their big fundraiser every year. This is
their Girls Scout cookies. By the way, Um, we all agree,

(01:15:49):
thin mins the best Girl Scout cookies. You're okay with that.
Don't give me the what are the other ones? Um?
What are the peanut buttery ones? It's not not Samoa's, right,
the Samoas. Some people like Samoa's. I don't like Samoa's
there's docy does there's tag alongs, the lemon Ones? Are

(01:16:10):
those tag alongs? That the Lemon Ones? What a waste
of time? Those are? I I think less of you
as a person. Look, I feel less of myself when
I ordered Girl scott cookies, But I think less you
use a person when you order the Lemon cookies. Whatever
which over was on? But like, look, the Girl Scouts
do it once a year. They raise millions of it,
millions of dollars. I love it. When are we gonna

(01:16:33):
get to the point to which newspaper writers and people
are gonna be like, hey, when are the Girl Scouts
gonna get some of that money back? All they do
is raise money for the Girl Scouts of America, and
all they get is, well, whatever the hell the Girl
Scouts give them life lessons, friends for life, YadA, YadA, YadA. Anyway,

(01:16:56):
I understand, Like, just do the math in your head,
or maybe you don't even have to do in your head.
Say you charge a hundred bucks a ticket ticket right
for us for seventy five thousand seats, and by the way,
they're more than a hundred bucks tickets for seventy five
thousand seats. Ran how much does that give you in

(01:17:17):
terms of how much do you make off of seventy
five thousand seats more money than all seven point five
seven point five million dollars? All right, that's a lot
of money. That's a hundred dollars ticket. Now, let's say
you decide to move it into a basketball arena. And
basketball arenas, let's say the biggest one you can get
is twenty thousand seats. So do you want to do

(01:17:41):
the math of how much you would have to charge
on average per seat in order to proceed in order
to get to get to seven point five million dollars
to make the same amount of money. And you can
tell me, hey, it's not about the money, it's about
the kids and about winning a championship, And you might
actually be accurate, but you can in fact do both.

(01:18:03):
They've shown that they could do both. Think about this
seven point five million dollars, all right, and you know
all you have to do is divide that by twenty
thousand seats. You have to charge three hundred and seventy
five dollars a ticket just to get that same amount.

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That is a three hundred uh the three point Yet
the multiply by three point seven five, whatever the ticket
prices to make the same amount of money. So remember now,
if the tickets are that's if the tickets are a
hundred bucks to pop, and they're not on average, on average,

(01:18:47):
they're closer to three or five I think are actually
closer to five that five, between five thousand and a
thousand dollars a pop face value, So two D five
a piece per game, per percession. It's just it's not doable,
it's not tenable. You're gonna price out the market. So

(01:19:10):
this is their big sale. It's why it makes sense.
And oh yeah, by the way, it's a it's a
you start to understand why Villanova works, why Michigan works. Now, look,
Villanova's players, they weren't unrecruited. Let's not. Let's not act
like these guys were auxiliary jim guys who were playing

(01:19:30):
against you know, we're playing against old men and walkers
and playing against girls teams. They were all Jalen Brunson
was a top twenty five player and he's the national
Player of the Year. But he's the perfect college player
because he's good enough and smart enough to play in
his freshman year when they win a national championship, with
Ryan Archidiacono, but not athletic enough to blow you away

(01:19:52):
to where he would have been a second round pick
last year. He might be a first round pick, might
be a second round pick next this year, and the
same for next year. And though his dad played in
the NBA, it's not like he's made of money. He
wants to play in the league, but it's not He's
not in some desperate desire to where I gotta go
get a check right now because mom and need shoes.
Not one of those deals. Perfect college player, but the

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rest of their guys have completely bought into the idea
of culture right. Villanova was my number one team in
the country to start the year. Villanova is a favorite
to win it, and Villanova probably will win it tonight.
But they don't. They don't do the things that teams

(01:20:40):
with huge expectations are accused of doing when people tell
you you're great, Like anybody can want to show people
that they're great when somebody says they suck. Sometimes it's
harder to be great when people are saying you're great.
You're like, hey, you know, I'm great. Dealing with success
in many ways is just as difficult or more difficult

(01:21:02):
as dealing with adversity. But watch him and how hard
they play together, how much they place a team, They
have an extra pass and make make a good pass mentality,
they box out, their rebound, they take charges, they defend,
they do it all. There are a ten that carries
themselves like a bunch of sevens. And the big football

(01:21:28):
story of the day is when Josh Rosen and his
former coach Jim Mora, who said, look, he's really bright.
He's he's got to be challenged mentally. He's a millennial.
He's got a lot of he's got a lot of
you know, a lot of interest in his life. The
problem with Josh Rosen, Josh Rose is the ten. When

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you watch Josh Rosen, I watched him against USC in person.
I've seen him play a bunch of times. When you
see him drop back and throw a football, go through
his progression, you're like, that's what an NFL prospect looks like.
The bigger problem is everyone's told him he's a ten.
He's smart. That's great. Everyone's told him he smart. He
knew he was smart. Parents are both ivy legue educated.

(01:22:12):
Knew he was smart. I know it's smart. There's no
way the apple does not fall that far from the tree,
just doesn't. And so when you even if it's fake humility,
he seems to lack it. There's a lack of emotional intelligence,

(01:22:32):
not understanding or maybe even caring how people around you
take who you are what you are. I think it's
really interesting. Rosen is a ten that knows he's a ten.
Nova is a bunch of ten that's a ten as
a team. But they they play the things they do,
the way they act, the way they compete for every point,

(01:22:56):
for every scrap to this point could all changed tonight,
and that could come out arrogantly and not defend and
shoot a bunch of threes and not get back on defense.
But there are ten that plays like they're a bunch
of sevens as conditions on the field change. So can
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(01:24:05):
giving my picks against the number. Uh and um, we'll
react as such a plus major League Baseball games going
on in a way, I just and day baseball, or
you're asking a lot of a sports fail like yeah,
I just I just had Easter Sunday and now I'm
gonna tell the boss. Although look, if you're in sales,
you can do things on the phone on day baseball

(01:24:25):
might be pretty cool, right, go to a couple innings,
have beer, like, well, I'm doing dude, making my calls,
make my calls. We made our calls. Uh. No one
knows more about the the NFL, uh, inside and out
than a guy who he's done studio. He did games
and of course he played when when three Super Bowls
He's Mark slay Restink joins us on the Doug Gottlieb Show.

(01:24:48):
I wanted your thoughts on the Gronk situation where now
there's talking. All right, I'm gonna come back, but you
gotta be nicer to me. Brady's gotta be there, and
I'm not totally totally there yet, but I think I'm
coming back. Where are you by the way, I'm outside,
they are, you know, just doing some work in the yard.

(01:25:11):
I mean, it's a beautiful day in Denver. So I
decided it's time to clean the pond out. Man. I
got a I dug a coy pond by hand a
couple of years ago. And you know, I mean, I
just I'm just working. That's all. That's what I do,
all right, cool, because I used I've had I had
a Koi pond my first house in Connecticut. It was

(01:25:31):
a huge mistake, huge mistake. It's just just a bane
of by existence. You're constantly cleaning it, fixing it, and
we put goldfish in that they grew huge. But anyway, Gronk,
what would you do if you're the If you're the
you're the Pat Patson Gronk well, I mean, obviously, Gronk
is one of those guys you gotta have on your squad.
I mean healthy, he's he's the best title in football.

(01:25:53):
And he's so multiple because he can be an inline guy,
he can be a motion guy, he can line up fullback,
he can line up in a slot um just split
away from the line of scrimmage. And of course, as
you know, I mean, he can flat out be a
split wide guy outside the number. So he gives you
so much versatility. But really, you know, this has been interesting,
and we have talked about this, and the Patriots have

(01:26:14):
basically all there's nothing to see here for a while.
But we talked about this on Speak for yourself. You
and I have had conversations about this, this whole thing
this year with the Alex Guerrero stuff and and and
revoking his access to the facility. You know, that's Tom
Brady's guru. Um that Jimmy Garoppolo trade. I I did
the game with his first start, as a matter of fact,

(01:26:36):
Jimmy Garoppolo's first start with San Francisco versus the Houston Texans.
And you know, it was interesting because talking to Kyle Shanahan,
he was like you know, we reached out to the
Patriots two three times. They said no, no, no, no no.
We're sitting in our office as all of a sudden,
Bill Belichick is on the line talking to Kyle Shannon
and had you still want Jimmy Garoppolo for a second rounder? So,

(01:26:57):
you know, from my perspective, it's the first time that
I think I've ever seen Bill Belichick and his authority
be trumped by the owner, because that certainly seems like
it wasn't Bill Belichick's intention to get rid of Jimmy
Garoppolo for a second rounder. So this stuff is the
first time that we've seen in our history here eighteen
years of watching them, just we're on rough shot through

(01:27:18):
the league where the the owner has circumvented the authority
of the head coach, where there's anks between the head
coach and the players, and the Patriot way seems to
be losing a little bits luster was some of the
guys that have been there for a while. So it's
a really interesting time to watch this Patriots team kind
of I don't know, devolved, if you will. Yeah, And
and there's this talk that look, he just wants that

(01:27:39):
he wants to coach, guys that he wants to coach,
and guys that want to do it his way? Can
you find enough of those guys? Right? Like? I I
think still most football players they want to be coached,
they want to win, they want to be part of
a winning culture. But there is the thought that, hey,
maybe maybe this generation is done with that. Do you

(01:28:00):
think he can have enough town on the football field,
even though it's his guys in his way? Yeah, I mean,
I definitely think anytime you have Tom Brady, and you know,
Tom Brady is if he comes back, tom Brady is
sold out. I mean he's gonna do, you know what
he has to do to be successful because that's who
he is. And if you have Tom Brady, yeah, you're
just gonna have a chance to be very good. That's

(01:28:21):
that's the I guess that's the reality of the situation.
But it does come down to those crunch time moments.
It does come down, you know. I think for for
the guys the Patriots, they saw the guys on the
other side of the field having fun. You know, they've
lost the Super Bowl and the guys on the other side,
we're having a blast. They're running trick plays, they're going
for it on fourth down. They're hooton holler and they're

(01:28:42):
having a good time. And the Patriots are like, I
just get this feeling, Like you see, there is a
different way to do it. You know, it's not all
grind all the time. And listen, they have fun, don't
get me wrong, but it's just been one of those
things where they've been great for so long, it's been remarkable.
They've never been stay success for the first time in

(01:29:03):
a lot of those guys careers, they're seeing maybe a
different way and they're saying, man, that looks appealing to
me right now this state in my career. You know,
it's not appealing. The sound of your cell phone in
the wind is really really really really really Yeah. You
know what, we just got a big micro first, let
me walk over here where I got some wind protection.
How about that? I love that he goes micro burst

(01:29:23):
like he's he's a he's a weather man. He'll clean
out your Koi pond and oh yeah, by the way,
he'll break down your football team. He's Mark Schlareth. He
joins us. All right, So look, we're used to we're
used to college football coaches coming out and saying, Hey,
my guy is better than your guy. That's why I
recruited him. And we're not getting that out of Jim Mora. Yeah,

(01:29:44):
he's saying he thinks that he's He's try to say,
Josh Rosen is great, he's great, he's great, he's great. Look,
but I would us Cleveland, I would take Donald and
you gotta gotta challenge you mentally because Rosen's got a
lot of interest. Like this is not glowing praise. This
is kind of honesty. And while everybody says like I
want honestly, like your wife walks in and says, do

(01:30:06):
I look fat in these pants? Good luck telling her, yes, honey,
you look fat in those pants. But but that's what
that's what Moura's doing here. What's what's your read on
what Maura's saying about Josh Rosen. Well, I mean it's
a it's a buyer beware situation. Here's the thing I know, um,
you know, it's it's crazy because we all know this.

(01:30:27):
Any of us who have participated in sports, regardless of
it's a high school level, or if it's the college level,
or if it's the professional level, doesn't matter where you've
where you've competed at. If you've done that, you realize
that talent is only part of it. It's great character
that drives talent towards greatness. The equation never flip flops.

(01:30:48):
Talent doesn't all of a sudden drive character. When you're
uber talented, you're not like, hey, man, better work on
my character because I'm so talented. Usually what happens with
really talented guys is they don't give a rip. They're
gonna do it the way they want to do it
because they're so good you can't not have them on
your team. And the bottom line is this, it's the
character part that matters the most. But we get so

(01:31:08):
enthralled with the talent part. So there's going to be
a bunch of teams they're gonna look at, you know,
Josh Rosen goes, I don't know, man. I mean, he
won't even get a reindorsement from his former coach, and
he's talking about his millennial ways and you better keep
him engaged, and oh, there's all kinds of talent there.
But if you're not engaged mentally, and if you don't
keep him sharp and you don't give him some challenge,

(01:31:30):
you know he's gonna check out on you. It's not
a re endorsement. But with that said, listen, I know egos,
and I know egoes in the locker room. I know
what egoes upstairs in the coaches office. And I've never
met a coach he didn't think under his expert tootle age,
you can get the best out of a dude. So
there will be some teams you're like, man, I'd rather
stay off that guy. I'll let somebody else deal with that.
But there's gonna be those teams also that be like,

(01:31:52):
he's the most talented guy, will get the best out
of him, because we're great coaches. You played with a
bunch of them, and you obviously you played with Lu
and you know a couple of different good ones when
you're you're in d c um. How much of does
it if guys like you doesn't matter as a quarterback.
I think it. I think it does. I think listen,

(01:32:15):
maybe not even like it's guys have to respect you.
They have to respect the way you go to work.
They have to respect the way you lead your team.
They have to respect the way you sacrifice for your team.
And and and that's really what is the most important
just that respect factor. But I think you don't have
to be liked, But I think being liked if it's helpful,

(01:32:37):
Like I know one thing, if we can't stand you,
then it doesn't help you at all. Now, if you're
just so damn good that there's nothing we can do
about it, you know, and you're gonna win games, we'll
we'll put up with you. Okay, how would you? How
would you? How would you? That's a that's a great one.
By the way, if we we we can't stand you,
that's different. Um, how would you characterize what your feelings

(01:32:58):
were your offensive lines? Feeling? We're playing for John Elway?
Oh loved him? Like him? Yeah? Absolutely? Because one Um,
and now John was at a stage of his career,
you know when when I came to Denver where you know,
he was on the latter end of a Hall of
Fame career, and so it wasn't like we were hanging

(01:33:21):
out like he did in the past, you know, when
he was a young player with his offensive line. Um,
but the deal with John, like John would never yell
at you, John would never cuss you out. The only
time I ever heard John raised his voice was Hey,
we got to play in late, and we gotta get
this ball. Snaps. Come on, let's go, let's get this ball. Snap.
You can get him hit. You know, you can get

(01:33:41):
a penalty. He's not gonna cuss you out or do
any of that stuff. He always respected him the way
he handled it. And then he walked into a huddle, man,
and you just knew as a player, regardless of what
the situation was, he had that look about him like
we got him right where we want. You could be
down fourteen and like, all right, let's roll, let's go
to work. And it was just a matter of fact
kind of business approach to getting things done, and you

(01:34:04):
always felt like you had a chance to be great.
That's what I loved about playing with John Elway in
the huddle. Um, you know where we where, We were
super close. You know where we're going out and hanging
out together now when we're going out and getting dinner. Now,
I don't think he did that with anybody at that
stage into his career. But he was still one of
the dudes. He was lifting, he was wrong with us,
he was doing the meetings, he was doing everything with us.

(01:34:26):
Even though in the world's eyes, you know, he probably
earned a whole past to where he didn't have to
do any of that stuff and still make the team.
He did it anyhow, even though he didn't need to.
All Right, UM, help me out. You do local radio
in Denver. What are they gonna do? Are they just is?
What are they gonna do in the draft? Well? I can't.
I can't imagine. The only guy that I can imagine

(01:34:48):
them really wanting to take at number five in the
quarterback spot is Josh Allen because he is so big,
he's so strong, he's so athletic, he's got such a
big arm. I'm sure that Elway looks at him and
sees a little John Elway in him, and that part
would intrigue him, the potential of that. But I really
look at this team like they've addressed through through trades.

(01:35:12):
They've addressed their offensive line to some degree. They've addressed
their safety position. Um, you know, they they've got a
tight end and Jake but who basically took a red
shirt year last year. They think he could be special.
He practiced them toward the end of the season. He
just wasn't active, he just wasn't ready. But they think
he can be special. So I think they feel like
they've gotten a lot of things done. They went out

(01:35:33):
and signed case Keenum. I look at them, I still
think they have holes to fill. And there's a couple
of guys because of the run on quarterbacks, they're gonna
be available that are generational type players. Chubb the defensive ent,
he's a generational type player. Quintin Nelson the guard, a
generational type player. So they're either gonna go with one
of those generational type players at five or I would
imagine if there's still that big run on quarterbacks and

(01:35:55):
maybe somebody wants to come up and get Mayfield, that
they trade out of that pick and get multiple picks
and see if they can't still get a generational type player. Yeah,
there's just sitting there, waiting, waiting, waiting, and it doesn't
feel like Josh Allen will be around. But we'll see.
Because you can't you can't trust anything any of these
guys say in terms of leading up to the draft.
All right, get back to your gardening and and you're
weeding and you're cleaning of your your Koi pond, and

(01:36:18):
we'll talk to you really soon. All right, sounds good man,
be good, Thanks you too. It's bar Slayer with who's
one of my favorite human beings on Earth. He's got
a great balance about him. Awesome dude, good dad, and
made the ill fade a mistake of digging a um
a koi pond trench. Let's get to a Dan buyer
who will cleans pools actually on his day off. Uh.

(01:36:42):
Can I ask you think is would you say golf
is your thing? Like every every human beings supposed to
have a thing outside of like work in life right
recently and I'm married like somebos a year now, right,
But um, well, what were your thing? Would golf be
your thing? Do you have any other things? Like you
collect something? Do you have? I don't know? Yeah, Like
I I love golf. I collect mini football helmets. That's

(01:37:05):
uh something that I did. It was a lot easier,
Doug when college schools weren't changing helmets mid season, you know,
like having like three or four about twenty years ago.
It was a lot easier. Now I've kind of moved
on to pro teams but more of like throwbacks, and
um close to completing what I consider the NFL of
the eighties. I just need three more helmets and then

(01:37:28):
I feel that I've got what I need I need
a Vikings one, you know that they were in the eighties.
I need a Colts one with a white face mask.
What was difference in the Vikings helmet then? And well
they have a modified horn on their helmet now. Plus
there was more of a a deeper purple on the
eighties helmet. Now it went to a like a lighter purple,

(01:37:51):
a matt matted look. And the one in the eighties
like a Tommy Kramer sort of Darren Nelson those it
was Joey Browner Day's where it was a deeper purple.
Even John Randall wore that deep purple helmet. But need
that one. And a red Falcons one, not the black one,
but the red Falcons one without the gold stripe. Yeah,

(01:38:13):
a little little tidbit there by the way, Yeah, nor thing,
that's what it is. That's your thing. I'm okay, it's
your thing. The other people's thing. Baseball. So people are
just baseball crazy, and this is the perfect time of
year for them because they get it day at night,
including today in places like I don't know, Pittsburgh, swinging
a high drive to right field. It is Cranson love time,

(01:38:38):
Manco just t Frans Pirates are four and oh, topping
the Twins today five to four. The Pirates Radio Network.
Cardinals doubled up the Brewers eight to four. Paul the
Young a three run shot is third of the season,
and the Tigers got their first win, stopping Kansas City
six to one. Reds looking for their first winner on

(01:38:58):
top of the Cubs one nothing right now on the
autom of the fifth inning Yankees and raised postpone because
of snow, as were the Medicine Phills College Basketballs National
Championship ist tonight in Michigan and Villanova nine twenty Eastern
Time in San Antonio and Doug Michigan State freshman Jaren
Jackson Jr. Leaving school early to enter the NBA Draft
as his Penn States Tony Carr sophomore going pro. And

(01:39:18):
though Tony carthing is interesting, I'm glad you ended with
that as we talked about Villanova. He's from Philadelphia. Nova
recrured to him, he chose to go to Penn State,
and he's an outstanding player. They won the n i
T But it's just fascinating on how they don't get him.
Doesn't matter they don't get Lonnie Walker goes to Miami
doesn't matter. I mean, look, at some point you do
have to have players. They have really good ones. Losing

(01:39:39):
Jalen Bunson's are probably gonna do after the season will hurt, uh,
But it's it's you know, they didn't get quality Green
last year. He went to who would have been his
backup or played alongside him some and then would've taken
over whenever Jalen Bunson left. But Quality Green Green needs
time to develop. They'll have to do so, like Kentucky
struggled this year as a freshman, lost his starting point guards.

(01:40:00):
But um it, it's fascinating me. As for Jaren Jackson,
he's gonna be a top six pack. A bunch of
Villanova thing. How much does because I think there's a
couple of things in play with Villanova's success, which I
think could continue. But how much does the lack of
success maybe up and down that corridor from Boston to
d C. Like there's no Georgetown that's competing in the

(01:40:22):
Big East. There's no Yukon, not even in the conference anymore. Look,
here's here's what Big East people would and we have
the Big East on five Sports one. They'll think they'll
think that I don't like the league, Like, I'm just
a real realist about it. It helped Villanova when they
got away from Syracuse Yukon. Remember Yukon was in a
different league. They won a national championship. It helps Syrica,

(01:40:43):
it helped them win you know, Syracuse Louisville who also
won a national championship in two thousand and thirteen. They
when they got out of that league, they got a
little bit more confidence. They weren't that good when they
first kind of started this run. That's why they got
beat early in the tournament. And they got better and
earned better and they had older players and and then
kind of here's I say, college basketball came the field

(01:41:06):
kind of came back to them. Right. You had a
year in which Carolina is not as good as they've
been because they don't have because they had a couple
of years where there was the cloud where they thought
they were gonna be on probation or Roy Williams might retire.
Dukes just super super young. And because they've had a
couple too many guys transfer and a couple too many
guys go to the NBA Draft, Kentucky lost their bet.

(01:41:28):
Nobody wants to sit on the bench for Kentucky. They
were too young this year. Arizona obviously loses early. Um,
they weren't as good as maybe they should have been.
Louisville had had on paper what should have been a
national championship caliber contender team that was destroyed when their
best incoming recruit, uh, you know, never was never able
to play because the FBI investigation and they lost their

(01:41:50):
head coach. So some other things kind of worked their way.
And then you had the fact that they've been able
to get kids to red shirt whilst they you know
a lot of guys have gotten red shirts by getting transfers,
and they have one. But when you get Dante di
Vincenzo to red shirt, when you get Mica Mikhail bridges
the red shirt, when you get who Amari Spellman had

(01:42:12):
to red shirt, like he was good enough to play
right away anywhere in the country, but he red shirted
because he was academically ineligible. Like that has all helped
them so too in the Northeast corridor. That helps you some. Um,
and it also helps that they have they played, they
were the they've been the dominant team in the league,
so they get a really good seat. That helps you

(01:42:32):
some and I think that they've they've gotten players that
maybe are become NBA players, but aren't one in Donners,
and so they've had to work. And then they have
a great culture and a really good coach and they're
playing twenty what I call twenty century basketball using the
three point shot hybrid. Big guys will step out and shoot.
The whole thing has come together and they're they're like

(01:42:53):
an iconic brook That's that's how you want to play,
how you want to play. So it's it's gonna be
fascinating to see what happens with Villanova in the future
when Brunson leaves, because I do think, as I started
the show telling people, I do think that that he

(01:43:16):
he is the story his dad as an NBA player,
His dad was going to get a job at Temple
to be a coach. His dad got arrested. I don't
even think he was convicted on it or whatever, and
Temple couldn't hire him, and so then he opened back up,
his recruitment, went to Villanova and the rest. As they say,
his history, that's the best player in the country. By
the way, do you guys hear what dick by Tal

(01:43:38):
said in regards to three point shooting. Take a listen,
Dick by tal Now, look, it's been related as Dick
vital saying too many three pointers is not what he said.
On the other hand, there's some holes to the take
Take a listen. We are coming to a point where
we must fall to that three point lit It is
dominating the games so much and takes a from the

(01:44:00):
flow and the rhythm with the game. Really was supposed
to me about past caught Drive, I would love to
see them utilize what they did in unit. Why didn't
delay in the sixteen feet and then also moved that
three point line back to the international an inch and
I think that would help the game and certainly minimize
all the threes that are being used. Okay, listen, I

(01:44:22):
love coach fo is very nice to me when we
worked together at ESPN. I don't know how many of
you guys know this, but when he got the job
the head coach and the University Detroit, there were two finalists.
One was my dad, mom was Dick. So he's always
been kind to me, but he's actually completely contradicting himself.
Do I believe that it would cut down on some
threes to widen to to move the three point line

(01:44:45):
out shore. But eventually players would have just just as
they adjusted, I mean the lineback you know, five years
ago or so. Just but I'm okay with that. But
but the other part he said is that we'd have
more passing and cutting and driving in Did you watch
the game? It wasn't like they were just coming down
and going like dribble dribble three, dribble dribble three. No,

(01:45:09):
the ball is moving side to side. It's the same
thing they run the NBA. And by the way, if
you widen the lane, you make post ups even less efficient,
so you get less post up shots. You want wine
in lane? Cool, you want wind the three point line? Cool,
don't wind the lane if you want post at post play,

(01:45:33):
and you still get just as many points in the paint,
you just get them differently instead of throwing into some
big dude's sweating a ton, you know, you get it
to a guy who's cutting towards the basket, or you
get put back dunks, or you get drives to the basket.
The game is still about who makes the most laps,
not just who makes the most threes. Coming up next,

(01:45:55):
Lebron James as a beef for the University of Alabama.
Whose side do we take? I'll tell you up coming next.
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Fox Sports Radio. I'll give you my championship game picks
in a second. Let's get to the press. The press.
It is baseball season. Teams for spending big money to

(01:46:39):
get all the tools that need to win. Luckily you
don't have to. Auto Zone offers of a hundred loan
of tools programs with loan tools for free. Excuse me?
With free services from auto Zone, you can't lose getting
the zone auto Zone damn buyro What do you got
quick dog? If you noticed this trend down Twitter, not
all teams, but certain teams that clinch playoff berths, they
put the X in front of their name like you
would see in the stay innings, like the Philadelphia seventys

(01:47:02):
have done that. Do you like that? Do you think
that's catchy? Do you think that's lame. Um, I think it's.
I like good new things, like I like the deal
I think, although I don't think they did it last
the other night where um they took from that tournament
where a team moves on the n C a term
and they put their name in the bracket, Like, I
like that, okay with it? Yeah, I'm good with it too.
I think it's actually kind of neat this. So now

(01:47:23):
do people put Z or eliminated, some eliminated sign for
when you're there elimited like the Phoenix Suns that they
come out and they put a Z in from their name.
I don't think so. I'm not sure they're there. Could
be a division and conference in playoff, but I don't
think the teams from eliminated they would put an E.
I guess would be the one. Yeah, I don't think
that they're doing that. Um. One of the teams that's

(01:47:45):
likely to make the playoffs, but not officially yet, the
Minnesota Timberwolves getting some good news. USA Today says Jimmy
Butler took part in five on five drills and could
return from his meniscus tear before the end of the
regular season. Wolves in the seventh spot in the West.
Just a game and a half back a fourth place.
M that's interesting. Look, the West is very interesting in
terms of who Golden State is gonna match up with

(01:48:06):
in that first round. Gold State right now a shell
of their normal self. Lebron James and The Uninterrupted have
sent a letter to Alabama and Nick Saban telling them
that their new video package, Shop Talk, it's kind of
a Nick Saban you know, uh, talking shop. I guess
with the likes of Julio Jones. Well, that infringed on
Lebron's The Uninterrupted owned show, which debuted last year called

(01:48:29):
The Shop. The letter says the side should talk before
legal action is needed to be taken. M So do
they they do? They're claiming that they own the rights
to the shop, to to the to the you own
the rights to the idea that I think it's got
to be something with the name because Barber's Shop conversations
have been right, yeah, forever, so that could be the issue.

(01:48:51):
But Lebron and the Uninterested, like he said, if you're
claiming like we own the the the idea of shop Talk,
I don't know. And is it shop with one p
or a two piece in an e right, you can
make it the high, the high society shoppy yeah, chop
shopa we had a baseball card shop in my hometown. Um,
how about some baseball news. The Miami Marlins won't wear

(01:49:12):
orange jerseys this season, wearing only black, white, and grays.
This could be of notes, maybe not related, but remember me,
Mars has the orange jersey correct correct debuted in the season.
I guess last night against the Dodgers at least the
first time that I've seen them this year. But no
orange jersey for the Marlins. They will wear a throwback

(01:49:32):
pinstriped white with teal. I like like, I like those uniforms. Um,
here's the thing. They suck. So this is probably the
last time we're gonna talk about the Marlins other than
the fact that they suck and they're trying to suck.
They're trying to tank games and so far not doing
a very good job of it. Two and two in
the year, there are some news about Tiger Woods before
the Masters. According to TMZ, his ex girlfriend signed a

(01:49:56):
non disclosure agreement to talk about their relationship, but now
she is claiming that that n d A shouldn't be allowed.
Her name's Kristin Smith. She dated Tiger a couple of
years back, but there are reports that she may want
to speak about their relationship despite having this nondisclosure agreement. Yeah,
that's really this The story here with the with some

(01:50:18):
of this me too stuff is is nondisclosure agreements and um,
the fact that they don't really actually work. They just don't. Yeah,
there's there's loopholes apparently in enough of them. So there
could be some some news about Tiger's relationship with the
woman who he dated. Don't guess for a year, you know,

(01:50:39):
I don't know, I mean unless he did something like
if it's a me too thing, if he did something
wrong to you, right, like if it's if it's if
it's something you could be you'd be charged with or
something you could sue him for. Like I kind of
I'm to this point where like I'm I'm interested, but
I'm not at I shouldn't be. We shouldn't know every

(01:51:00):
thing about a guy's relationship with a woman, shouldn't. TMZ
says that they have heard that she believes Tiger cheated
on her, So that's where this could all be going.
By the way Tiger is supposed to play a practice
round with Phil Mickelson at the Master's. But Tiger just
shouldn't be in any relationship that somebody considers monogamous. We're
okay with that, all right, we did good? Okay, Fine.

(01:51:21):
Look I wasn't married to him, I wasn't his girlfriend.
I think it's you shouldn't do it. But again, I'm
not gonna I like him as a golfer, and I
wanted to win this weekend. Nova and Michigan tonight nine
Eastern time, Doug for the national champion. You're taking sick
and a half point line and the number yes, give
it to me too, mean too. Look, here's the thing.
Nova is really good. They match up really well with Michigan.

(01:51:43):
I do think the game is closed for a while,
but I I struggled to find a way. I struggle
to find where Michigan is gonna score, and I just
think there's there's a lot of different options for Villanova.
I think it'll be a close game throughout, and then
eventually Nova gets a little bit of breathing room late
in the game, but you know, Zavier Simpson can't really score.
That allows Janna Bunchon to catch his breath. They match

(01:52:06):
up with the stretch five play a mor Wagner. I
think Nova wins this game. Bag it out there and pressed.
That was the press, all right, Enjoy the National Championship game.
I'll be posting stuff on Twitter pre during post. We'll
have a National champion tomorrow and we'll get you ready
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.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}National Championship Preview, Patriots Drama and NFL Draft Delusions