April 24, 2018 • 38 mins
After losing to the Jazz again, Doug says the Thunder remind him of a really bad fantasy team. He thinks Odell Beckham Jr has one big problem that not enough people are talking about. Former NFL QB Jordan Palmer joins the show to talk about training Sam Darnold and Josh Allen for the NFL.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the best of the Doug Gotlip Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Boom Up America, Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox
Sports Radio. You do it, girl, You go for it.
You dye your hair right, you try it, go for it.
So we always tell our friends to do whatever you do,
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go for it. We do this in sports all the time, right,
we say it all the time. Man. I sure wish
we'd go for it. I wish we would stop, you know,
depending upon prospects and sign some guys to help us play. Now.
I wish we'd make a move at the trade deadline end.
Go for it. I put all all in, all right,
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like I wanna. I want to take all my chips
and just go all in and stand up and flip
over my cards and go, come on, suckles, what do
you got? By the way, do you guys remember what
happened to the movie Rounders the first time you went
all in? But look in sports, I know the Dimebacks
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made the playoffs last year, but two years ago they
went all in. Right up, let's blow it up, all
new pitching staff. How that workout for him? When we
see this, you picked the sport, the the guy going
all in seems who loses a fan when the team
goes all in. Nobody? Nobody? Because going forward is cool, right,
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Going forward on fourth down is awesome. Don't believe me.
The Eagles went forward and won the Super Bowl. But
sometimes you go forward and you don't get it. Sometimes,
instead of being conservative at the end of the first half,
you go forward. You throw intersumption. Sometimes you make a
big trade at the end of the trade deadline and
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you go for it and won't. Won't doesn't help you,
and you trade away some future superstar. Going for it
sounds really cool, right, going for it, kicking her, sticking,
for sticking. You ever played backyard football as a kid
kicking her? Sticking? Who? In Madden you go everybody go
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go for it. I go for it. I go for
I go for two every time, and Madden I do
have to get over to you. Remember what happened two
years ago. Mark Helford's basically lost his job because the
math told him you should always go for two. He
plays that and they played Nebraska on the road. They
go for two. They don't get it ever, and it
becomes a point of embarrassment. What do we do? I
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just kicked the extra point? Why are we leaving points
on the field? Why do we wait a second? You
love it when we go for it? Now, you don't
You love when you go for it and you get it. Yeah,
which brings me to the Oklahoma City Thunder. They went
for it, they did. Now. I didn't love the moves
at the time because I Carmelo has never won bub
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Kiss and I felt like, look, Paul George, he said,
it's pretty clear he wanted to be in Los Angeles
and you gave away two young starters under club control.
Depth helps you, youth helps you, and the more guys
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under rookie contracts that are playing helps you because it
allows you to go out and get some bad contracts
at the end of the season. So the first thing
with the Oklooma City Thunder you need to know is, hey, man,
they went for it and everybody champion did and you
know what they suck. They're not a well put together
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team because in order for Carmelo Anthony to be at
all marginally effective, he has to play the four and
even then you're kind of hiding him, right, And if
you're gonna play Carmelo at the four man, you better
have an athletic five The problem with it is they
added Paul George, who also plays some four. And yeah,
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they lost Andre Robertson, but if you had Robertson, though,
your defense would be better. Between he and Steven Adams,
that's basically two guys in the paint the entire game. Defensively,
you don't guard Robertson, you don't guard Steven Adams, and
so there's no driving lanes. And so part of it
is going forward is going forward is good, but you've
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gotta have all the right pieces. You gotta understand this
is a world to which yeah, sure you need hybrid bigs,
but you also need guys that can handle, that can
create shots for others. And so while I think Russell
Westbrook is all screwed up, I think he's got some
bad habits. I think he's got bad by the language,
and I think he's got a reputation which now he
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precedes him but also empowers him to continue those bad
habits and that bad body language. No, no, no, Russell
Westbrook isn't bad teammate. When his teammate misses a layup
and he gives him a scal that's Russell Westbrook because
he just cares more than everybody else. Like dude, they're
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getting beaten by the Utah Jazz who lost their best
player to the Boston Celtics via free agency, got nothing
back in return, and then trade away their second leading
score in that Calves trade and got Jake Crowder, who,
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let's be honest, as a shell of his former self,
Like there is no their leading score is a rookie
and wasn't a top two or three draft pick. Rudy
Gobert started his career in the D League, and Ricky Rubio,
though a top five, top six winner, pick five pick
coming out, has been was was seen as a bust
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up until this year. But what they are as a team,
what they have is multiple ball handlers, and what they
didn't do is go for it with one fail swoop.
They have younger, more active players, They have a better bench,
and the big reason they have a better bench is
Oklaoma City trade away two for one with both of
the deals that they made. Karmen Anthony is absolutely a
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better player than Doug McDermott or than Ennis Cantor, but
those are two bodies and two guys that don't require
the basketball always in order to be successful and really
cantor pretty good offensive player. He might actually be a
better offensive player at this point in his career then
Mellow is at this point in his offensive career. And
Doug McDermott, though not not the kind of player he
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was in college. He's the type of shooter that spreads
the floor, knows his role, comes off the bench, moves
around and just create space for others. And you've seen Sabonis,
you've seen Oladipo, you understand those are four traded for
two killed. Their depth killed, their shooting killed, their ball handling, killed,
their chances of winning this year. Even though they went
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for it, they went forward. Now, I don't think this
series is over because I've seen the Utah Jazz time
and time again lose game six at home two thousand
and seventeen. It happens in Utah. It feels like a
place that should be impossible to win. But Utah has
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lost game sixes at home far more than they've won
game sixes at home. That said, this is a classic
case of a team that was loved, that we were
enthralled with because they went for it. Go for it.
Everybody watched Duke's a hazard grown up. But if you
see a bridge outsign? Are you going for it? Buckle
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up hunting. I saw this on Duke's a Hazard once.
Sure sounds like a good idea, but remember there's a
with that reward, and the risk is they could lose
Paul George. They're stuck with Mellow for another year. Hell,
they're stuck with Russell Westbrook, who has proved beyond anybody
very reasonable doubt those super talented and super competitive. He's
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also really uncoachable and really hard to play with. The
stats be lie because I know how your mind works,
Like there's no way a guy can average double digits
and assist and be selfish. But that's not the case.
Watch the game. He holds it a click too long
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he wants to. There's no hockey assist, there's no ball movement,
there's untimely bad shots. He's not as good a finisher.
He drives in their heart. He's crazy athletic, but doesn't
actually make it as much as you think he should
make it. And in his effort to make it personal
last night against Ricky Rubio, he cost his team a
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substantial chunk of his energy and of his talents because
he was in foul trouble because he was overly aggressive,
and he told the world, I'm going to shut this
guy down. So the next time you want your team
to go for it, go for Why don't we make
that trade. Why don't we do this? Why don't we
sit here and stand pat Now you see why. Here's
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Paul George after the game. I think us three, this
is what we want, not necessarily be in this position,
but to at this point give it everything we got.
That's that's all that's gonna take. Approached this game like
his Game seven. Keep our displayoff, run alive, but approach
it like his Game seven. Awesome. Approach every game like
it's Game seven. This is what we want. I do
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think that Westbrook operates better backs against the wall mentality, right.
I do think this thing is at least going back
to Utah and one stummy of its going back to
Oklahoma City. I just this is not a good This
is not a healthy way to live. This is not
a fun thing to watch. And I look, I I
thought that Utah was really smart, really smart about some
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of the cheap stuff they were doing last night. Joe
Ingles kind of getting in the face of Paul George,
goading him into a t the trash talk, the tweaking
of them, the flopping around it, flopping like fish. They
won't get those calls in game five, Like I'm completely
realistic about how Utah played up the home the home
thing and was flop falling all over themselves like Land
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Stevenson was, and they got some of those calls. All
of that said, like Oklahoma City looked like completely dysfunctional
mash unit. They looked awful last night, and they're put together.
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Put there a fantasy team, well, Carmelo Averages and Paul
George Averages and Russell, But what rest Birik Averages twenty
seven or twenty eight and a triple double. It'll just work.
That ain't the way works. Be sure to catch live
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I Heart Radio app. Let's welcome to guys playing in
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the League. Brother starting the league. UH trained several of
these quarterback prospects have seen them all because he's worked
for the Elite eleven camp. He's Jordan Palmer. He joins
us in The Doug Gottlip Show. Here on Fox Sports Radio.
You can fall him on Instagram at Jordan Palmer. Also
check out to QB summit dot com Jordan. Yesterday we
had one of your protegason. We had Sam Donald on
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with us, and he said, you're gonna be you know
there as part of his kind of draft supports staff
if you will, When did you When did you first
meet Sam Donald? You know, I met him when he
was like fifteen years old, just I was working out
in the off season with one of my old coaches,
Bob Zenko, and um, he was just a kid who
was there. And I know you've been around Carson a
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long time. I was just cracking up because I couldn't
believe how much that redheaded kid looked like my brother
when he was fifteen. And I'm not going to say
I saw talent or anything like that at that age.
I just thought it was hilarious. He walked like Carson,
he talked like him, he acted like him, dressed like him,
and and then you know, a year later, he's like
getting offers, and then the next season we'll lead a
eleven with me, and now it's like, well, this guy
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really good. And so it's just kind of snowballed. But uh,
he's always he's always been really athletic. He's a great bostar. Um.
He actually has serious game, Doug, you should look into
that at some point. We should we should go equinox.
We should should we equinox him? We should, we should
hooks a lot of stances. Headquarters the Saw Company and
uh in Sant Cramenia. They have a nice sport there
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and they're playing Wednesday. I have to work. They're playing
noon Wednesday. If you can set up another a little
later afternoon game after he gets drafted, I'm I'm in man.
He Yeah, he's got game. But he's always been that athlete.
He's always been UM, really really confident, even though you
know he comes across he's super humble. He's just like,
you know, everything's grounded in humility for him. But when
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it comes from you know, game time, when you need it,
Um to be confident. So it's been so fun to
just kind of watch this thing build over these last
couple of years and watch him go out there and
earn everything that's in front of him. Um. Jordan Palmer
joining us. If you've forgotten, he threw for over eleven
thousand yards as a quarterback. You tep played a couple
of years uh in the National Football more than a
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couple of years, several years in the nashvillall like seven
in fact, a bunch of different teams trains a lot
of these young star quarterbacks. You've seen him in the
lead Evan lead Levin. Um, Okay, there there's talk about
his there's always been talking about his release. He gets
rid of it quick, but it's a bit of a
long release. Uh, working with you guys, as long as
you work with you guys, do you change that? Can
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you change that doesn't need to be changed? Well, it's
it's actually kind of a cool story. So this is
this last season was his sophomore season. So after the
Rose Bowl season and then going into a sophomore season
was really when we first started to address I'll use
the term the loop is loop and dropping the ball
down and coming back up. He was getting the ball
out quick, he was accurate, he was all that stuff. Um,
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But we were just having conversations throughout if if it's
not creating any more energy, can we get rid of it?
And so I had found out that Wilson, the hundred
year old Um, you know sporting goods company that had
it makes the NFL footballs. They came out with a
new technology and they had a chip in the ball.
It's called Wilson's Connected Footballs and they so they took
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that ship and you can measure everything. And it was
early on. But last offseason what we did is I
started putting stationary targets all over the field and we
determined it at around thirty two yards when he's throwing
the ball as hard as he camp. Around thirty two
yards is when he dropped the ball down. But then
we looked at the data and he had the same
spiral efficiency, the same spin and the same velocity. So
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instead of me building a drill when he was allowed
that it was able to do that day. It's kind
of go, I guess I don't really ever need to
drop the ball down again, because my hypothesis was that
it was psychological and he was doing it because he
thought he needed to without even thinking about it. And
that's when the loop started to shorten up. And then
this offseason we got a chance to just throw muscle
memory clean it up a little bit more. But what
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you see right now is the best version of sam
I don't think there's one stroke for everybody. And um
and sham is uh Sam could spin it. Yeah, A
lot is made of the turnovers. There are a lot
of their fumbles early, some strips, strip sack fumbles as well.
UM only seven I think his last nine games. What's
your assessment of how and he even talked about it
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yesterday with us and how like, look, the film is
what it is. I got to clean it up. How
hard are those turnovers going to be to clean it up? Well,
you know, I think everybody who has an opinion and
the Twitter account who wants to talk about this, Um,
if you're gonna look at the fumbles, and let's say
the careless fumbles, not like getting stripped while you're throwing right,
it's not your fault. If you're gonna look at the
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ones that that that he owns and he owns them,
he owns them. If you're gonna look at those, you
also have to I measure those against him dropping back,
rolling to his right, planting, cutting back to the left,
spinning and throwing a touchdown because he actually was careless
with the ball in a lot of those plays too.
And when you're nineteen and twenty years old, and you're
learning your game and your style and and uh and
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I mean you played basketball. I love you know that
you you developed your own style in your own game. Um,
you have to you have to really learn how to
mitigate the risk and the reward of those types of decisions.
And so some of the times when he was careless
with the ball lad to turnovers. But it also led
to a lot of the wild plays, which is why
people have them at the top of the draft. So
if you hold those two things in tension, and then
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a guy like me and his new quarterback coach, you know,
I'm done with him. But his new quarterback coach steps
in and says, all right, how do we continue that?
But we just have better ball security when we're moving.
That to me, sounds like a very simple fix. Jordan
Palmer joining us one of the quarterback trainers for some
of the Star Young Quarterbacks course. An NFL quarterback in
his own right, joining us on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
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Josh Allen's one of your other produges, right, and here's
a guy with a just massive arm, massive talent. But
everyone points to hey, dude, look at the accuracy issues.
What do you see when you see Josh Allen, Yeah,
I mean he talent wise when he can throw the
laces off of it. Um. But but in terms of
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the fifty six percent completion percentage, and I've had a
lot of conversations about this, the majority of the people
who have opinions about are piling on to two narratives
that are out there because they haven't seen the tape.
Seeing a couple of the highlights the AL twenty two,
they're not gonna watch enough tape of everybody else to
actually measure what that looks like. When I watched shosh
Allen on tape, it looks to me like an eighth
grader playing against sixth graders. And with sixth graders, I
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can say that he can't um. And and so when
I look at the fifty completion percentage, which is too low,
and we all agree, I also look at his system.
You know, his system didn't have the built atition to
the extent that other systems had. In fact, all three
other quarterbacks at the top of the draft had, So
the way I look at it, my loose math is
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there's about four to six percent completion that he didn't
have built in that are gimme throws. So if you
have that end, he's right now he's then he's at
six and we're not having this conversation because when people
talk about an inaccuracy, which you don't see is people
that are wide open down the field and he's missing them.
Now he has one or two or three. But Deshaun
Watson last year had in or his his junior year
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when he won the National championship, he missed wide open
seven touchdowns and he still was runner up for the
Higsman and won the National championship and it set the
league on fire. So I would say that's part for
the course. In terms of the completions with Josh, part
of it is what's coming out of his hand and
what he's doing, and part of it's what's happening on
the other end of the throw. And so all these
guys have to get better. They have to get better
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at finding completions. But the completion percentage is not just
about accuracy. It's also the types of throws you're making
when you're making them, and the and the tempo you're
putting on the ball. And so I just look at
the ingredients that Josh has and I go I don't
really care what his completion percentage was in college, And
in fact, the more I look at it, I'm actually
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impressed that he got to Yeah, but there's now there
are people that say, like, hey, show me a guy
who was inaccurate in college. That's accurate in the pros.
You've been Ryan and Matt Stafford, guys that higher completion
percentages in the NFL than they did in college. There's
two actually. I mean, if you look at Russell Wilson,
the three years at NC State below now crazy numbers
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when he went to Wisconsin, think a lot of short
and underneath stuff. But there's a guy who the system changed, right,
I mean, that's that's really kind of kind of what
what it comes down to. I want to ask you
about another guy, because you know, you worked in the
lead eleven and because being a so called guy and
you were up, you were brought in. I remember, um,
Jay Cutler got hurt one year and you were back
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up with the Bears, right and yeah with Josh the County. Yeah,
And and Josh McCown is like one of the all
time great guys. He's he's been on our show A
bunch is Rosan Cutler is that is that where where
the person is that the personality match for them? Is that? So?
I think I think Rosen is actually more Aaron Rodgers
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personality wise, very smart, um, interested in a lot of things.
You know. Right now, Josh Rosen gets knocked for guiding
Josh one is gonna be great problem right now. He
gets knocked for like all these interests and he says
things like charity and private equity and business and all
that stuff. Aaron Rodgers just bought an ownership stake in
the Milwaukee Bucks and a friend of mine, I'll just
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believe it at this Like, he's got a lot of
stuff going on and it's all going really well. A
lot of business interests, And I don't think it's a
bad thing. If you're if you have to create an
ability to compartmentalize, and if being a great legendary NFL
quarterback is always number one, then it's totally fine. And
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because Josh is who he is and he and he's
candid and he'll just say whatever is on his mind,
which I love and I love it. Um. I do
think that football is the most important thing to him.
I think that he's going to go all in on ball.
And I just don't see this being an issue with him.
Um no, I I you know Cutler, I've seen I
knew Cutler as their counselor and at Elite eleven in college,
and he's at Vanderbilt, backed him up in Chicago, and
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you know, I've been friends with him for a long time.
And he's a guy who's who's um very complex, and
he's a guy who also is off the charts intelligence,
and he just genuinely doesn't the thumb part where I
will compare the two of them, and Erin's in this
group to those guys genuinely, genuinely, deep down inside don't
really give a crap what anybody thinks, which which you
kind of have to. On the other hand, there is
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this and this is where the Cutler thing. Like, there
are dudes and I spent some time around Erin, and
when you're around Erin, you kind of get the errand
thing and you really like him. I haven't spent a
lot of time around Rosen, but I can tell you
that there are people from high school. They're like, dude,
he was so talented, but a lot of dudes love him.
And that's the same kind of thing at U c
l A is Is that fair? Uh? You know, I
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don't know enough about what was going on in the
opinions of people that I see, just because I've been
with my two guys have been spent so much time
and effort and energy you with those guys. Um. But
in my personal interactions with Rosen, and I've been around
him a long time, UM, I really like the kid.
I think he's fascinating. I think he thinks about really
deep and big things. Um. And I mean this guy
can play. He's gonna be He's going to be a
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stud in the league who knows how to run those systems.
He gets the botut of his hands quickly. He's a
really fast internal processor. Um. I think he's got a
bunch of good ingredients. What what would you? What's your
assessment of Mayfield? I think a walk on when in
the Heisman is like one of the most impressive things
I've ever seen. It's just a log on. Earning a
scholarship is hard. I mean, it's just crazy. How about
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two time walk on? Yeah he walked, Yes, No, it's
it's And he never lost a road game at Oklahoma
true road game, didn't lose a true road game. In Oklahoma.
But all that said, like it's a it's there's a
different level you I mean, you've seen it, you've played it,
you know, like those dudes in the lead get is
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just different. Does he can can he carry over that
it that you know, that kind of Derrito's bag of
chips on his shoulder. But does he have the game
to to to play at that level, to start at
that level, to start at the next level. I think
he does. Yeah. A lot of the feedback I get
from teams that are working him out privately is everybody
is pleasantly surprised at how good he is. It's spinning
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it and driving the ball and layering the throw and
you know whatever sporty time is, the sporty time is.
But he's a He's a playmaker back there. So I
do think he has a game to translate the challenge
for him and and I'm excited to see how he
handles this is. I think that the way that he
manages himself and the self control aspect of it, the
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stuff he did on the sideline, the stuff he's done
off the field, all those issues, those are all solvable.
When you go to the NFL, you get a clean slate,
you get to roll in and you get to just
go ahead and start over. And if he can really
dive deep in terms of how he's going to handle
self control, you know, the grabbing, grabbing himself for saying
stuff like he cannot lose, the fiery competitor, because that
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is why he's a two time walk on, three time
Heisman finalist, one time Heisman winner. That's and in the
discussion for being a number one pick. That is what
got him there. It's the self control aspect that I'm
excited as he grows up over these next couple of years.
If he can't handle that, if he doesn't change any
of that, he's gonna he's gonna welcome a lot of
new issues because he's on a bigger stage now. Um,
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and he's got a lot of older teammates now they
aren't gonna like it. But if he can manage that stuff,
then I think he's a superstar. I got into a
lot a big argument. This is years ago when I
was at ESPN Jordan Palmer, a guest dog gotlip show
Fox Sports Radio. Um, I got into a long armament
about your brother and that I would and this is
even at the peak of Mike Vick. I would rather
have your brother than have Vic, because what your brother did,
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you're always going to be asked to do, which is Look,
he's more athletic than anybody ever give him credit the
ball on third down, but can you throw the ball
on third down? Right? Whereas Vic, the things that he
did best, he was going to be asked to do less.
I look at Lamar Jackson and I don't think he
has the off the field baggage of Vic, but I
do think he's the closest thing to Vick. Might even
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be faster, probably has a leaner body, which you know
we've seen those things break down a little bit more.
But my my fear is that even if he cleans
up the passing and the completion percentage, because he just
can be inaccurate for no explicable reason, he's gonna be
asked to do less of what he does best and
more of the weakest part of his game. And that's
why with some other things as well, I would I
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would pass on him in the short term, especially in
the first round. Yeah, you know, I think with him,
I don't see enough to think that I could use
my first round pick on him. If I was expecting
him to play right away or take over my team
after year one. Again, I haven't worked with him. I
just haven't seen enough of that. But I really hope
as a fan of football, as a dude who plays
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fantasy and a guy who just lovesfl football, I really
hope somebody takes him and they try and put the
ball in his hands as much as they possibly can,
and whatever that avenue is it's best and most consistent.
Do that a ton. If that's dropping back and playing
starting quarterback and never coming out of the game, if
that's what moves the chains, have him do that. If
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it's catching the ball, if it's a jet sweep, if
it's wildcat, if it's a combination, which I think it's
going to be the first year, a combination of all
those things. Do that. As a fan of the game,
I want to see this kid in the best possible
position to succeed and put up a grip of yards.
Jordan Palmer, Jordan great stuff. Man, Really appreciate you. Join
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com and within the I Heart Radio app. I saw
that Odell Beckham Jr. Brought his own trainer. Man, that's man,
that's annoying. That's but like, look, let's just be honest.
That's an act of good faith, you know, Like, man,
just show up. Don't know, show on us. I ain't grunk,
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no showed Brady, no show. Just show up, you know,
walk through some stuff. We got a new coach, shake hands,
kiss babies, be a part of the team. Were giants gear.
Don't just wear your Nike gear all all over the place.
Well we're not. We're not asking that much. We're not
asking that much, you know. And it's it's fascinating me.
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This is a there's a little bit of Levy on
Bell to Odell Beckham Jr. Alright, Levan Bell has been
suspended some and been hurt some, and so in trying
to establish his value. Part of your value is how
much you show up, right, a little bit like being
a dad minute. Like look, sometimes you're gonna lose your
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cool as a dad. Sometimes you're gonna say the wrong thing.
But at least you're just there. At the percentage of
time you're there, you're around, you're better off. Every percentage
will tell your kid in terms of likely to success financially,
in college and school with relationships. The more a father
figure a dad is around, the greater chance you have
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of that kid having a better life. Okay, percentage of
times you're around. Heck, one of the reasons baseball players
make so much money is a hundred six two games.
They're around a lot. They got a lot of games,
a lot of games. Um In In in music, you
know guys that go you make your money now touring, right,
(28:56):
and yeah, some people can play stadiums, you can make
a ton of money, but it's the volume of albums,
the volume of tours, the volume of dates, that's where
you make your money. And there's there's a little problem
with Odell Beckham Jr. Who Yeah, there's some there's some
other uh, there's some other mitigating circumstances. You know, there's
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the video, there's the kicking Net thing, you know, the
whole kicking Net deal. There's he wants a bigger contract
than anybody else. Look, I think Odell Beckham Jr. Is great.
He's been as productive as any wide receiver in his
first four years in the league. But he's only played
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sixteen games once in four years. Remember, he was hurt
coming in miss camp, only played the last twelve games.
He did lead the league in yards per game, but
he only played twelve games. Played fifteen in year two,
sixteen in year three, and had a spectacular season with
ten receiving touchdowns hundred yards. He had thirteen hundred yards
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receiving and only three hundred yards receiving last year because
he got hurt, he wasn't healthy to start the year.
He came in two games in then he broke his ankle,
and he had three touchdowns in four games. He was
on pace to have another great year. Suspensions aside. Basically
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this is the levy on Bell. I'm not even arguing
that when healthy, he's the best player, won the top
three players position. I'm arguing, how do we know he's
absolutely gonna be healthy? And it's not fair that he
broke his ankle last year? Right, Like that's a that's
not somebody who's injury prone. I've had this before. Matt Holiday,
of course, has joined the show before. Remember Matt Holidays
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last year with the St. Louis Cardinals. He was playing great, great,
and he got hit on the thumb in Chicago and
he broke his thumb. And so when he was a
free agent, this is going back to last offseason, he
signed thirteen one, one year thirteen deal with the New
York Yankees. If you're like, well, Matt Holiday's injury prone, Like, dude,
I got a hit in the hand with a fastball.
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How is that injury prone? Like, well, three years ago
you popped your quad and then you broke your thumb,
like I got a hit in the hand with a fastball.
So I'm not saying that it's fair to Odell Beckham Jr.
That we're holding a broken ankle against him, But it
is fair to say, hey, dude, you played twelve, fifteen,
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sixteen and three and three games or so in four
years the Nation Football League. If you want to forget
be the highest paid player, If you want to be
the highest paid receiver. In addition to all the other things,
durability as a factor. Be sure to catch live editions
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Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I
Heart Radio app. The Rockets last night in the third quarter,
they it was it was like somebody changed the settings
on NBA two. Hey, like one team's playing an All
Star and the other teams playing on rookie. Like, what
did you guys? I don't know how much of you
called Harden was struggling mightily in the first half bad.
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They're like, oh boy, are they gonna really lose another game?
They're gonna really lose another game to the Minnesota Timberwolves
because the the like, look, I told you that I
think that the Timberwolves on paper are a lot better
than a normal eight seed. Right, Whenever you think of
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Andrew Wiggins, if he's your third best player this day
and age in the NBA, you're not terrible. Carl Anthony
Towns is probably the best player. Jimmy Butler's there, wildly veteran,
their second best player, maybe their best to end player.
Like and Thibodeau is a good coach, known more for defense.
This team doesn't seem to relate to him or love him,
and they don't run great but and they could have
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won game one. They did win Game three. If you look,
they lost some terrible teams in the regular season, but
they were competitive with the top teams, so it's not
crazy for them to win a game, or maybe win
two games. But I can't go crazy over a fifty
point quarter, right, I can't, Just like I can't go
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crazy over a one point quarter, which is what they
had in the first quarters. Like, oh, they had fifty,
they had nineteen in the fourth quarter, one in the
first quarter like those that that's pace for an eighty
point game. So I understand that there's this like crazy spike, Like, oh,
look at the Rockets. The Rockets do have a gear
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that they can hit that that no one outside of
the Golden State Warriors can hit, because they can just
hit you with the barrage of threes. Who what? Who? What? Like? Man,
how many do they have this quarter? They got fifty
in a quarter. Yeah, But I can't freak out about that,
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because I didn't freak out when they lost the Timberwolves.
I don't freak out when they have these nineteen point
quarters or these twenty point quarters or twenty one point quarters,
just like I just there's a there's a balance to it.
I know they have that. You shoot that many threes.
It's the old Live by it, die by it, and
they're gonna die by it eventually. But man, when they
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live by it, do they live by it? It's like
watching pleasant Ville. You remember the movie Pleasantville. The first
half was black and white and everything was perfect, Like
they go into the gym and they make everything. That's
what it looked like. There's your highlights of the Minnesota
Timberwolves losing to the Rockets. Just close your eyes and
think of pleasant Field. Unclose, guys were driving. Close your
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eyes and think of Pleasantville when it was black and white. Yes,
if they score fifty for two quarters, I'll get excited.
They get score fifty for three quarters, maybe even aroused. Okay,
they scored fifty for four straight quarters, all right, I
mean it'll be a big thing. But when you go
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fifty nineteen, you end up with a hundred nineteen, and
granted you took your foot way off the gas in
the fourth quarter. I woke up this morning with the
exact same feeling about the Rockets and the Timberwolves that
I woke up with for the last week. I knew
they were better. I knew they'll eventually win the series.
It's just gonna come down to would it be in
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five or six games? That's it. Fox Sports Radio has
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within the I Heart Radio app and now right. Josh
Rosen was on with Dan Patrick earlier today. He had
this to say about what he wants to be in
(35:51):
the NFL. I think the biggest thing, at least on
the football field, I want to be respected. I want
to come off the field and I want to shake
their middle backer's hand. I want to shake one of
their top dbs and he goes, you play a hell
of a game both ways, and I want to be respected.
I want to get out in the field in the
NFL and I want to play and I want to
earn the respect of my opponents and my teammate. Yeah,
(36:12):
that's the I want to be respected. I don't want
to be I'm not here to be liked. I'm not
here to be anybody's buddy. And that's that's what he said. Um,
I do think it's it's completely sensible to draw the conclusion.
Jordan Palmer was on with US earlier today and he
(36:34):
he thinks Josh Rosen will be a tremendous NFL quarterback.
He's like, look, he's like Aaron more like Aaron Rodgers,
and he is j Cutler. I think one of the
mistakes that Jordan Palmer makes that others in my position
make that NFL people are not making, is Aaron Rodgers
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may have always had this type of evolved personality. He
may have always had the interests. For example, he's a
minority owner now with the Milwaukee Bucks, but that wasn't
the personality that was on display the day he was drafted, right,
We all kind of evolved. It's a lot like, Look,
I've been married for twenty years this August. Oh no, sorry, bad,
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she's not listening. Eighteen years this August. We've been together
twenty years this October, and I can tell you that
I am not the same. Like I don't know, like
would she have married me if she knew how I
was now? I don't know, But I was not now
how it was then. It's not necessarily a slight of
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how I am now. But I've I've changed and grown
up and mature and have things that I like and
don't like, and things that I do and don't do
as opposed to when I was in. My point is
that we're all saying, well, he's like he's like Aaron Rodgers.
He might be he's like Aaron Rodgers. Now. The difference
is when Aaron Rodgers came to league, he was completely indifferent,
completely totally different. He was more humble, he was more
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soft spoken, He was much more guarded with what and
when and why he would say what and when why
he would say it. And I think that's the part
that we need to be very careful about.
This is the best of the Doug Gotlip Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Boom Up America, Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox
Sports Radio. You do it, girl, You go for it.
You dye your hair right, you try it, go for it.
So we always tell our friends to do whatever you do,
(00:25):
go for it. We do this in sports all the time, right,
we say it all the time. Man. I sure wish
we'd go for it. I wish we would stop, you know,
depending upon prospects and sign some guys to help us play. Now.
I wish we'd make a move at the trade deadline end.
Go for it. I put all all in, all right,
(00:48):
like I wanna. I want to take all my chips
and just go all in and stand up and flip
over my cards and go, come on, suckles, what do
you got? By the way, do you guys remember what
happened to the movie Rounders the first time you went
all in? But look in sports, I know the Dimebacks
(01:11):
made the playoffs last year, but two years ago they
went all in. Right up, let's blow it up, all
new pitching staff. How that workout for him? When we
see this, you picked the sport, the the guy going
all in seems who loses a fan when the team
goes all in. Nobody? Nobody? Because going forward is cool, right,
(01:36):
Going forward on fourth down is awesome. Don't believe me.
The Eagles went forward and won the Super Bowl. But
sometimes you go forward and you don't get it. Sometimes,
instead of being conservative at the end of the first half,
you go forward. You throw intersumption. Sometimes you make a
big trade at the end of the trade deadline and
(01:58):
you go for it and won't. Won't doesn't help you,
and you trade away some future superstar. Going for it
sounds really cool, right, going for it, kicking her, sticking,
for sticking. You ever played backyard football as a kid
kicking her? Sticking? Who? In Madden you go everybody go
(02:21):
go for it. I go for it. I go for
I go for two every time, and Madden I do
have to get over to you. Remember what happened two
years ago. Mark Helford's basically lost his job because the
math told him you should always go for two. He
plays that and they played Nebraska on the road. They
go for two. They don't get it ever, and it
becomes a point of embarrassment. What do we do? I
(02:42):
just kicked the extra point? Why are we leaving points
on the field? Why do we wait a second? You
love it when we go for it? Now, you don't
You love when you go for it and you get it. Yeah,
which brings me to the Oklahoma City Thunder. They went
for it, they did. Now. I didn't love the moves
at the time because I Carmelo has never won bub
(03:04):
Kiss and I felt like, look, Paul George, he said,
it's pretty clear he wanted to be in Los Angeles
and you gave away two young starters under club control.
Depth helps you, youth helps you, and the more guys
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under rookie contracts that are playing helps you because it
allows you to go out and get some bad contracts
at the end of the season. So the first thing
with the Oklooma City Thunder you need to know is, hey, man,
they went for it and everybody champion did and you
know what they suck. They're not a well put together
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team because in order for Carmelo Anthony to be at
all marginally effective, he has to play the four and
even then you're kind of hiding him, right, And if
you're gonna play Carmelo at the four man, you better
have an athletic five The problem with it is they
added Paul George, who also plays some four. And yeah,
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they lost Andre Robertson, but if you had Robertson, though,
your defense would be better. Between he and Steven Adams,
that's basically two guys in the paint the entire game. Defensively,
you don't guard Robertson, you don't guard Steven Adams, and
so there's no driving lanes. And so part of it
is going forward is going forward is good, but you've
(04:30):
gotta have all the right pieces. You gotta understand this
is a world to which yeah, sure you need hybrid bigs,
but you also need guys that can handle, that can
create shots for others. And so while I think Russell
Westbrook is all screwed up, I think he's got some
bad habits. I think he's got bad by the language,
and I think he's got a reputation which now he
(04:51):
precedes him but also empowers him to continue those bad
habits and that bad body language. No, no, no, Russell
Westbrook isn't bad teammate. When his teammate misses a layup
and he gives him a scal that's Russell Westbrook because
he just cares more than everybody else. Like dude, they're
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getting beaten by the Utah Jazz who lost their best
player to the Boston Celtics via free agency, got nothing
back in return, and then trade away their second leading
score in that Calves trade and got Jake Crowder, who,
(05:34):
let's be honest, as a shell of his former self,
Like there is no their leading score is a rookie
and wasn't a top two or three draft pick. Rudy
Gobert started his career in the D League, and Ricky Rubio,
though a top five, top six winner, pick five pick
coming out, has been was was seen as a bust
(05:58):
up until this year. But what they are as a team,
what they have is multiple ball handlers, and what they
didn't do is go for it with one fail swoop.
They have younger, more active players, They have a better bench,
and the big reason they have a better bench is
Oklaoma City trade away two for one with both of
the deals that they made. Karmen Anthony is absolutely a
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better player than Doug McDermott or than Ennis Cantor, but
those are two bodies and two guys that don't require
the basketball always in order to be successful and really
cantor pretty good offensive player. He might actually be a
better offensive player at this point in his career then
Mellow is at this point in his offensive career. And
Doug McDermott, though not not the kind of player he
(06:44):
was in college. He's the type of shooter that spreads
the floor, knows his role, comes off the bench, moves
around and just create space for others. And you've seen Sabonis,
you've seen Oladipo, you understand those are four traded for
two killed. Their depth killed, their shooting killed, their ball handling, killed,
their chances of winning this year. Even though they went
(07:05):
for it, they went forward. Now, I don't think this
series is over because I've seen the Utah Jazz time
and time again lose game six at home two thousand
and seventeen. It happens in Utah. It feels like a
place that should be impossible to win. But Utah has
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lost game sixes at home far more than they've won
game sixes at home. That said, this is a classic
case of a team that was loved, that we were
enthralled with because they went for it. Go for it.
Everybody watched Duke's a hazard grown up. But if you
see a bridge outsign? Are you going for it? Buckle
(07:52):
up hunting. I saw this on Duke's a Hazard once.
Sure sounds like a good idea, but remember there's a
with that reward, and the risk is they could lose
Paul George. They're stuck with Mellow for another year. Hell,
they're stuck with Russell Westbrook, who has proved beyond anybody
very reasonable doubt those super talented and super competitive. He's
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also really uncoachable and really hard to play with. The
stats be lie because I know how your mind works,
Like there's no way a guy can average double digits
and assist and be selfish. But that's not the case.
Watch the game. He holds it a click too long
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he wants to. There's no hockey assist, there's no ball movement,
there's untimely bad shots. He's not as good a finisher.
He drives in their heart. He's crazy athletic, but doesn't
actually make it as much as you think he should
make it. And in his effort to make it personal
last night against Ricky Rubio, he cost his team a
(08:57):
substantial chunk of his energy and of his talents because
he was in foul trouble because he was overly aggressive,
and he told the world, I'm going to shut this
guy down. So the next time you want your team
to go for it, go for Why don't we make
that trade. Why don't we do this? Why don't we
sit here and stand pat Now you see why. Here's
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Paul George after the game. I think us three, this
is what we want, not necessarily be in this position,
but to at this point give it everything we got.
That's that's all that's gonna take. Approached this game like
his Game seven. Keep our displayoff, run alive, but approach
it like his Game seven. Awesome. Approach every game like
it's Game seven. This is what we want. I do
(09:43):
think that Westbrook operates better backs against the wall mentality, right.
I do think this thing is at least going back
to Utah and one stummy of its going back to
Oklahoma City. I just this is not a good This
is not a healthy way to live. This is not
a fun thing to watch. And I look, I I
thought that Utah was really smart, really smart about some
(10:06):
of the cheap stuff they were doing last night. Joe
Ingles kind of getting in the face of Paul George,
goading him into a t the trash talk, the tweaking
of them, the flopping around it, flopping like fish. They
won't get those calls in game five, Like I'm completely
realistic about how Utah played up the home the home
thing and was flop falling all over themselves like Land
(10:27):
Stevenson was, and they got some of those calls. All
of that said, like Oklahoma City looked like completely dysfunctional
mash unit. They looked awful last night, and they're put together.
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Put there a fantasy team, well, Carmelo Averages and Paul
George Averages and Russell, But what rest Birik Averages twenty
seven or twenty eight and a triple double. It'll just work.
That ain't the way works. Be sure to catch live
editions of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three
pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the
I Heart Radio app. Let's welcome to guys playing in
(11:10):
the League. Brother starting the league. UH trained several of
these quarterback prospects have seen them all because he's worked
for the Elite eleven camp. He's Jordan Palmer. He joins
us in The Doug Gottlip Show. Here on Fox Sports Radio.
You can fall him on Instagram at Jordan Palmer. Also
check out to QB summit dot com Jordan. Yesterday we
had one of your protegason. We had Sam Donald on
(11:30):
with us, and he said, you're gonna be you know
there as part of his kind of draft supports staff
if you will, When did you When did you first
meet Sam Donald? You know, I met him when he
was like fifteen years old, just I was working out
in the off season with one of my old coaches,
Bob Zenko, and um, he was just a kid who
was there. And I know you've been around Carson a
(11:51):
long time. I was just cracking up because I couldn't
believe how much that redheaded kid looked like my brother
when he was fifteen. And I'm not going to say
I saw talent or anything like that at that age.
I just thought it was hilarious. He walked like Carson,
he talked like him, he acted like him, dressed like him,
and and then you know, a year later, he's like
getting offers, and then the next season we'll lead a
eleven with me, and now it's like, well, this guy
(12:13):
really good. And so it's just kind of snowballed. But uh,
he's always he's always been really athletic. He's a great bostar. Um.
He actually has serious game, Doug, you should look into
that at some point. We should we should go equinox.
We should should we equinox him? We should, we should
hooks a lot of stances. Headquarters the Saw Company and
uh in Sant Cramenia. They have a nice sport there
(12:35):
and they're playing Wednesday. I have to work. They're playing
noon Wednesday. If you can set up another a little
later afternoon game after he gets drafted, I'm I'm in man.
He Yeah, he's got game. But he's always been that athlete.
He's always been UM, really really confident, even though you
know he comes across he's super humble. He's just like,
you know, everything's grounded in humility for him. But when
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it comes from you know, game time, when you need it,
Um to be confident. So it's been so fun to
just kind of watch this thing build over these last
couple of years and watch him go out there and
earn everything that's in front of him. Um. Jordan Palmer
joining us. If you've forgotten, he threw for over eleven
thousand yards as a quarterback. You tep played a couple
of years uh in the National Football more than a
(13:17):
couple of years, several years in the nashvillall like seven
in fact, a bunch of different teams trains a lot
of these young star quarterbacks. You've seen him in the
lead Evan lead Levin. Um, Okay, there there's talk about
his there's always been talking about his release. He gets
rid of it quick, but it's a bit of a
long release. Uh, working with you guys, as long as
you work with you guys, do you change that? Can
(13:38):
you change that doesn't need to be changed? Well, it's
it's actually kind of a cool story. So this is
this last season was his sophomore season. So after the
Rose Bowl season and then going into a sophomore season
was really when we first started to address I'll use
the term the loop is loop and dropping the ball
down and coming back up. He was getting the ball
out quick, he was accurate, he was all that stuff. Um,
(14:01):
But we were just having conversations throughout if if it's
not creating any more energy, can we get rid of it?
And so I had found out that Wilson, the hundred
year old Um, you know sporting goods company that had
it makes the NFL footballs. They came out with a
new technology and they had a chip in the ball.
It's called Wilson's Connected Footballs and they so they took
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that ship and you can measure everything. And it was
early on. But last offseason what we did is I
started putting stationary targets all over the field and we
determined it at around thirty two yards when he's throwing
the ball as hard as he camp. Around thirty two
yards is when he dropped the ball down. But then
we looked at the data and he had the same
spiral efficiency, the same spin and the same velocity. So
(14:44):
instead of me building a drill when he was allowed
that it was able to do that day. It's kind
of go, I guess I don't really ever need to
drop the ball down again, because my hypothesis was that
it was psychological and he was doing it because he
thought he needed to without even thinking about it. And
that's when the loop started to shorten up. And then
this offseason we got a chance to just throw muscle
memory clean it up a little bit more. But what
(15:06):
you see right now is the best version of sam
I don't think there's one stroke for everybody. And um
and sham is uh Sam could spin it. Yeah, A
lot is made of the turnovers. There are a lot
of their fumbles early, some strips, strip sack fumbles as well.
UM only seven I think his last nine games. What's
your assessment of how and he even talked about it
(15:26):
yesterday with us and how like, look, the film is
what it is. I got to clean it up. How
hard are those turnovers going to be to clean it up? Well,
you know, I think everybody who has an opinion and
the Twitter account who wants to talk about this, Um,
if you're gonna look at the fumbles, and let's say
the careless fumbles, not like getting stripped while you're throwing right,
it's not your fault. If you're gonna look at the
(15:47):
ones that that that he owns and he owns them,
he owns them. If you're gonna look at those, you
also have to I measure those against him dropping back,
rolling to his right, planting, cutting back to the left,
spinning and throwing a touchdown because he actually was careless
with the ball in a lot of those plays too.
And when you're nineteen and twenty years old, and you're
learning your game and your style and and uh and
(16:07):
I mean you played basketball. I love you know that
you you developed your own style in your own game. Um,
you have to you have to really learn how to
mitigate the risk and the reward of those types of decisions.
And so some of the times when he was careless
with the ball lad to turnovers. But it also led
to a lot of the wild plays, which is why
people have them at the top of the draft. So
if you hold those two things in tension, and then
(16:29):
a guy like me and his new quarterback coach, you know,
I'm done with him. But his new quarterback coach steps
in and says, all right, how do we continue that?
But we just have better ball security when we're moving.
That to me, sounds like a very simple fix. Jordan
Palmer joining us one of the quarterback trainers for some
of the Star Young Quarterbacks course. An NFL quarterback in
his own right, joining us on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
(16:51):
Josh Allen's one of your other produges, right, and here's
a guy with a just massive arm, massive talent. But
everyone points to hey, dude, look at the accuracy issues.
What do you see when you see Josh Allen, Yeah,
I mean he talent wise when he can throw the
laces off of it. Um. But but in terms of
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the fifty six percent completion percentage, and I've had a
lot of conversations about this, the majority of the people
who have opinions about are piling on to two narratives
that are out there because they haven't seen the tape.
Seeing a couple of the highlights the AL twenty two,
they're not gonna watch enough tape of everybody else to
actually measure what that looks like. When I watched shosh
Allen on tape, it looks to me like an eighth
grader playing against sixth graders. And with sixth graders, I
(17:35):
can say that he can't um. And and so when
I look at the fifty completion percentage, which is too low,
and we all agree, I also look at his system.
You know, his system didn't have the built atition to
the extent that other systems had. In fact, all three
other quarterbacks at the top of the draft had, So
the way I look at it, my loose math is
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there's about four to six percent completion that he didn't
have built in that are gimme throws. So if you
have that end, he's right now he's then he's at
six and we're not having this conversation because when people
talk about an inaccuracy, which you don't see is people
that are wide open down the field and he's missing them.
Now he has one or two or three. But Deshaun
Watson last year had in or his his junior year
(18:19):
when he won the National championship, he missed wide open
seven touchdowns and he still was runner up for the
Higsman and won the National championship and it set the
league on fire. So I would say that's part for
the course. In terms of the completions with Josh, part
of it is what's coming out of his hand and
what he's doing, and part of it's what's happening on
the other end of the throw. And so all these
guys have to get better. They have to get better
(18:40):
at finding completions. But the completion percentage is not just
about accuracy. It's also the types of throws you're making
when you're making them, and the and the tempo you're
putting on the ball. And so I just look at
the ingredients that Josh has and I go I don't
really care what his completion percentage was in college, And
in fact, the more I look at it, I'm actually
(19:00):
impressed that he got to Yeah, but there's now there
are people that say, like, hey, show me a guy
who was inaccurate in college. That's accurate in the pros.
You've been Ryan and Matt Stafford, guys that higher completion
percentages in the NFL than they did in college. There's
two actually. I mean, if you look at Russell Wilson,
the three years at NC State below now crazy numbers
(19:21):
when he went to Wisconsin, think a lot of short
and underneath stuff. But there's a guy who the system changed, right,
I mean, that's that's really kind of kind of what
what it comes down to. I want to ask you
about another guy, because you know, you worked in the
lead eleven and because being a so called guy and
you were up, you were brought in. I remember, um,
Jay Cutler got hurt one year and you were back
(19:42):
up with the Bears, right and yeah with Josh the County. Yeah,
And and Josh McCown is like one of the all
time great guys. He's he's been on our show A
bunch is Rosan Cutler is that is that where where
the person is that the personality match for them? Is that? So?
I think I think Rosen is actually more Aaron Rodgers
(20:04):
personality wise, very smart, um, interested in a lot of things.
You know. Right now, Josh Rosen gets knocked for guiding
Josh one is gonna be great problem right now. He
gets knocked for like all these interests and he says
things like charity and private equity and business and all
that stuff. Aaron Rodgers just bought an ownership stake in
the Milwaukee Bucks and a friend of mine, I'll just
(20:25):
believe it at this Like, he's got a lot of
stuff going on and it's all going really well. A
lot of business interests, And I don't think it's a
bad thing. If you're if you have to create an
ability to compartmentalize, and if being a great legendary NFL
quarterback is always number one, then it's totally fine. And
(20:47):
because Josh is who he is and he and he's
candid and he'll just say whatever is on his mind,
which I love and I love it. Um. I do
think that football is the most important thing to him.
I think that he's going to go all in on ball.
And I just don't see this being an issue with him.
Um no, I I you know Cutler, I've seen I
knew Cutler as their counselor and at Elite eleven in college,
and he's at Vanderbilt, backed him up in Chicago, and
(21:10):
you know, I've been friends with him for a long time.
And he's a guy who's who's um very complex, and
he's a guy who also is off the charts intelligence,
and he just genuinely doesn't the thumb part where I
will compare the two of them, and Erin's in this
group to those guys genuinely, genuinely, deep down inside don't
really give a crap what anybody thinks, which which you
kind of have to. On the other hand, there is
(21:31):
this and this is where the Cutler thing. Like, there
are dudes and I spent some time around Erin, and
when you're around Erin, you kind of get the errand
thing and you really like him. I haven't spent a
lot of time around Rosen, but I can tell you
that there are people from high school. They're like, dude,
he was so talented, but a lot of dudes love him.
And that's the same kind of thing at U c
l A is Is that fair? Uh? You know, I
(21:53):
don't know enough about what was going on in the
opinions of people that I see, just because I've been
with my two guys have been spent so much time
and effort and energy you with those guys. Um. But
in my personal interactions with Rosen, and I've been around
him a long time, UM, I really like the kid.
I think he's fascinating. I think he thinks about really
deep and big things. Um. And I mean this guy
can play. He's gonna be He's going to be a
(22:16):
stud in the league who knows how to run those systems.
He gets the botut of his hands quickly. He's a
really fast internal processor. Um. I think he's got a
bunch of good ingredients. What what would you? What's your
assessment of Mayfield? I think a walk on when in
the Heisman is like one of the most impressive things
I've ever seen. It's just a log on. Earning a
scholarship is hard. I mean, it's just crazy. How about
(22:39):
two time walk on? Yeah he walked, Yes, No, it's
it's And he never lost a road game at Oklahoma
true road game, didn't lose a true road game. In Oklahoma.
But all that said, like it's a it's there's a
different level you I mean, you've seen it, you've played it,
you know, like those dudes in the lead get is
(23:00):
just different. Does he can can he carry over that
it that you know, that kind of Derrito's bag of
chips on his shoulder. But does he have the game
to to to play at that level, to start at
that level, to start at the next level. I think
he does. Yeah. A lot of the feedback I get
from teams that are working him out privately is everybody
is pleasantly surprised at how good he is. It's spinning
(23:24):
it and driving the ball and layering the throw and
you know whatever sporty time is, the sporty time is.
But he's a He's a playmaker back there. So I
do think he has a game to translate the challenge
for him and and I'm excited to see how he
handles this is. I think that the way that he
manages himself and the self control aspect of it, the
(23:44):
stuff he did on the sideline, the stuff he's done
off the field, all those issues, those are all solvable.
When you go to the NFL, you get a clean slate,
you get to roll in and you get to just
go ahead and start over. And if he can really
dive deep in terms of how he's going to handle
self control, you know, the grabbing, grabbing himself for saying
stuff like he cannot lose, the fiery competitor, because that
(24:05):
is why he's a two time walk on, three time
Heisman finalist, one time Heisman winner. That's and in the
discussion for being a number one pick. That is what
got him there. It's the self control aspect that I'm
excited as he grows up over these next couple of years.
If he can't handle that, if he doesn't change any
of that, he's gonna he's gonna welcome a lot of
new issues because he's on a bigger stage now. Um,
(24:26):
and he's got a lot of older teammates now they
aren't gonna like it. But if he can manage that stuff,
then I think he's a superstar. I got into a
lot a big argument. This is years ago when I
was at ESPN Jordan Palmer, a guest dog gotlip show
Fox Sports Radio. Um, I got into a long armament
about your brother and that I would and this is
even at the peak of Mike Vick. I would rather
have your brother than have Vic, because what your brother did,
(24:51):
you're always going to be asked to do, which is Look,
he's more athletic than anybody ever give him credit the
ball on third down, but can you throw the ball
on third down? Right? Whereas Vic, the things that he
did best, he was going to be asked to do less.
I look at Lamar Jackson and I don't think he
has the off the field baggage of Vic, but I
do think he's the closest thing to Vick. Might even
(25:12):
be faster, probably has a leaner body, which you know
we've seen those things break down a little bit more.
But my my fear is that even if he cleans
up the passing and the completion percentage, because he just
can be inaccurate for no explicable reason, he's gonna be
asked to do less of what he does best and
more of the weakest part of his game. And that's
why with some other things as well, I would I
(25:35):
would pass on him in the short term, especially in
the first round. Yeah, you know, I think with him,
I don't see enough to think that I could use
my first round pick on him. If I was expecting
him to play right away or take over my team
after year one. Again, I haven't worked with him. I
just haven't seen enough of that. But I really hope
as a fan of football, as a dude who plays
(25:57):
fantasy and a guy who just lovesfl football, I really
hope somebody takes him and they try and put the
ball in his hands as much as they possibly can,
and whatever that avenue is it's best and most consistent.
Do that a ton. If that's dropping back and playing
starting quarterback and never coming out of the game, if
that's what moves the chains, have him do that. If
(26:20):
it's catching the ball, if it's a jet sweep, if
it's wildcat, if it's a combination, which I think it's
going to be the first year, a combination of all
those things. Do that. As a fan of the game,
I want to see this kid in the best possible
position to succeed and put up a grip of yards.
Jordan Palmer, Jordan great stuff. Man, Really appreciate you. Join
(26:40):
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(27:01):
com and within the I Heart Radio app. I saw
that Odell Beckham Jr. Brought his own trainer. Man, that's man,
that's annoying. That's but like, look, let's just be honest.
That's an act of good faith, you know, Like, man,
just show up. Don't know, show on us. I ain't grunk,
(27:24):
no showed Brady, no show. Just show up, you know,
walk through some stuff. We got a new coach, shake hands,
kiss babies, be a part of the team. Were giants gear.
Don't just wear your Nike gear all all over the place.
Well we're not. We're not asking that much. We're not
asking that much, you know. And it's it's fascinating me.
(27:47):
This is a there's a little bit of Levy on
Bell to Odell Beckham Jr. Alright, Levan Bell has been
suspended some and been hurt some, and so in trying
to establish his value. Part of your value is how
much you show up, right, a little bit like being
a dad minute. Like look, sometimes you're gonna lose your
(28:11):
cool as a dad. Sometimes you're gonna say the wrong thing.
But at least you're just there. At the percentage of
time you're there, you're around, you're better off. Every percentage
will tell your kid in terms of likely to success financially,
in college and school with relationships. The more a father
figure a dad is around, the greater chance you have
(28:34):
of that kid having a better life. Okay, percentage of
times you're around. Heck, one of the reasons baseball players
make so much money is a hundred six two games.
They're around a lot. They got a lot of games,
a lot of games. Um In In in music, you
know guys that go you make your money now touring, right,
(28:56):
and yeah, some people can play stadiums, you can make
a ton of money, but it's the volume of albums,
the volume of tours, the volume of dates, that's where
you make your money. And there's there's a little problem
with Odell Beckham Jr. Who Yeah, there's some there's some
other uh, there's some other mitigating circumstances. You know, there's
(29:19):
the video, there's the kicking Net thing, you know, the
whole kicking Net deal. There's he wants a bigger contract
than anybody else. Look, I think Odell Beckham Jr. Is great.
He's been as productive as any wide receiver in his
first four years in the league. But he's only played
(29:42):
sixteen games once in four years. Remember, he was hurt
coming in miss camp, only played the last twelve games.
He did lead the league in yards per game, but
he only played twelve games. Played fifteen in year two,
sixteen in year three, and had a spectacular season with
ten receiving touchdowns hundred yards. He had thirteen hundred yards
(30:03):
receiving and only three hundred yards receiving last year because
he got hurt, he wasn't healthy to start the year.
He came in two games in then he broke his ankle,
and he had three touchdowns in four games. He was
on pace to have another great year. Suspensions aside. Basically
(30:24):
this is the levy on Bell. I'm not even arguing
that when healthy, he's the best player, won the top
three players position. I'm arguing, how do we know he's
absolutely gonna be healthy? And it's not fair that he
broke his ankle last year? Right, Like that's a that's
not somebody who's injury prone. I've had this before. Matt Holiday,
of course, has joined the show before. Remember Matt Holidays
(30:45):
last year with the St. Louis Cardinals. He was playing great, great,
and he got hit on the thumb in Chicago and
he broke his thumb. And so when he was a
free agent, this is going back to last offseason, he
signed thirteen one, one year thirteen deal with the New
York Yankees. If you're like, well, Matt Holiday's injury prone, Like, dude,
I got a hit in the hand with a fastball.
(31:07):
How is that injury prone? Like, well, three years ago
you popped your quad and then you broke your thumb,
like I got a hit in the hand with a fastball.
So I'm not saying that it's fair to Odell Beckham Jr.
That we're holding a broken ankle against him, But it
is fair to say, hey, dude, you played twelve, fifteen,
(31:29):
sixteen and three and three games or so in four
years the Nation Football League. If you want to forget
be the highest paid player, If you want to be
the highest paid receiver. In addition to all the other things,
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(31:49):
Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I
Heart Radio app. The Rockets last night in the third quarter,
they it was it was like somebody changed the settings
on NBA two. Hey, like one team's playing an All
Star and the other teams playing on rookie. Like, what
did you guys? I don't know how much of you
called Harden was struggling mightily in the first half bad.
(32:13):
They're like, oh boy, are they gonna really lose another game?
They're gonna really lose another game to the Minnesota Timberwolves
because the the like, look, I told you that I
think that the Timberwolves on paper are a lot better
than a normal eight seed. Right, Whenever you think of
(32:35):
Andrew Wiggins, if he's your third best player this day
and age in the NBA, you're not terrible. Carl Anthony
Towns is probably the best player. Jimmy Butler's there, wildly veteran,
their second best player, maybe their best to end player.
Like and Thibodeau is a good coach, known more for defense.
This team doesn't seem to relate to him or love him,
and they don't run great but and they could have
(32:56):
won game one. They did win Game three. If you look,
they lost some terrible teams in the regular season, but
they were competitive with the top teams, so it's not
crazy for them to win a game, or maybe win
two games. But I can't go crazy over a fifty
point quarter, right, I can't, Just like I can't go
(33:20):
crazy over a one point quarter, which is what they
had in the first quarters. Like, oh, they had fifty,
they had nineteen in the fourth quarter, one in the
first quarter like those that that's pace for an eighty
point game. So I understand that there's this like crazy spike, Like, oh,
look at the Rockets. The Rockets do have a gear
(33:40):
that they can hit that that no one outside of
the Golden State Warriors can hit, because they can just
hit you with the barrage of threes. Who what? Who? What? Like? Man,
how many do they have this quarter? They got fifty
in a quarter. Yeah, But I can't freak out about that,
(34:04):
because I didn't freak out when they lost the Timberwolves.
I don't freak out when they have these nineteen point
quarters or these twenty point quarters or twenty one point quarters,
just like I just there's a there's a balance to it.
I know they have that. You shoot that many threes.
It's the old Live by it, die by it, and
they're gonna die by it eventually. But man, when they
(34:24):
live by it, do they live by it? It's like
watching pleasant Ville. You remember the movie Pleasantville. The first
half was black and white and everything was perfect, Like
they go into the gym and they make everything. That's
what it looked like. There's your highlights of the Minnesota
Timberwolves losing to the Rockets. Just close your eyes and
think of pleasant Field. Unclose, guys were driving. Close your
(34:45):
eyes and think of Pleasantville when it was black and white. Yes,
if they score fifty for two quarters, I'll get excited.
They get score fifty for three quarters, maybe even aroused. Okay,
they scored fifty for four straight quarters, all right, I
mean it'll be a big thing. But when you go
(35:09):
fifty nineteen, you end up with a hundred nineteen, and
granted you took your foot way off the gas in
the fourth quarter. I woke up this morning with the
exact same feeling about the Rockets and the Timberwolves that
I woke up with for the last week. I knew
they were better. I knew they'll eventually win the series.
It's just gonna come down to would it be in
(35:31):
five or six games? That's it. Fox Sports Radio has
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within the I Heart Radio app and now right. Josh
Rosen was on with Dan Patrick earlier today. He had
this to say about what he wants to be in
(35:51):
the NFL. I think the biggest thing, at least on
the football field, I want to be respected. I want
to come off the field and I want to shake
their middle backer's hand. I want to shake one of
their top dbs and he goes, you play a hell
of a game both ways, and I want to be respected.
I want to get out in the field in the
NFL and I want to play and I want to
earn the respect of my opponents and my teammate. Yeah,
(36:12):
that's the I want to be respected. I don't want
to be I'm not here to be liked. I'm not
here to be anybody's buddy. And that's that's what he said. Um,
I do think it's it's completely sensible to draw the conclusion.
Jordan Palmer was on with US earlier today and he
(36:34):
he thinks Josh Rosen will be a tremendous NFL quarterback.
He's like, look, he's like Aaron more like Aaron Rodgers,
and he is j Cutler. I think one of the
mistakes that Jordan Palmer makes that others in my position
make that NFL people are not making, is Aaron Rodgers
(36:54):
may have always had this type of evolved personality. He
may have always had the interests. For example, he's a
minority owner now with the Milwaukee Bucks, but that wasn't
the personality that was on display the day he was drafted, right,
We all kind of evolved. It's a lot like, Look,
I've been married for twenty years this August. Oh no, sorry, bad,
(37:17):
she's not listening. Eighteen years this August. We've been together
twenty years this October, and I can tell you that
I am not the same. Like I don't know, like
would she have married me if she knew how I
was now? I don't know, But I was not now
how it was then. It's not necessarily a slight of
(37:39):
how I am now. But I've I've changed and grown
up and mature and have things that I like and
don't like, and things that I do and don't do
as opposed to when I was in. My point is
that we're all saying, well, he's like he's like Aaron Rodgers.
He might be he's like Aaron Rodgers. Now. The difference
is when Aaron Rodgers came to league, he was completely indifferent,
completely totally different. He was more humble, he was more
(38:00):
soft spoken, He was much more guarded with what and
when and why he would say what and when why
he would say it. And I think that's the part
that we need to be very careful about.
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