September 17, 2025 • 23 mins
Doug riffs about the Tom Brady controversy and the fallout since Monday night when he was shown in the Raiders' coach's booth with a headset on during the game. Doug reacts to Brady Quinn's take about Dabo Swinney. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems as most annoying today. Plus, Eddie Vedder makes today's installment of "Because Wee Can".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug Gottlie Show. Heres in
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
What up Fox Sports Radio? And the bonus.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Isn't an amazing What championships do do you? What winning
does to you? I bring it up because you know,
yesterday we spent a lot of time, a lot of
radio equity talk about the Tom Brady story where Tom
Brady a partial owner of the Raiders in the booth listen,
you know, with the coaching calls whatever, and is it
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a conflict of interest? Should he be allowed to call games?
What does Fox think? And then you know, it does
sort of mute the fact that he hasn't been particularly
good as a broadcast. Better this year, but still not
not any not anybody that if on the merits of
just his broadcast, he would be in an NFL booth,
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let alone in the biggest booth for Fox Sports. I
think that's reasonable. But he's also started just started doing it.
And you know, it's one of the things that the
guys of us in broadcasting, many of us who have
done games, we talk about it. And I do think
that there's a need there to do more games, to
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get more reps, to be more free to just be
Tom Brady and stop being Tom Brady commentator. Tom Brady's
trying too hard to be that guy, but it does
take time. I don't know if we'll ever get there.
I don't know if he has the ability to be
kind of that vulnerable and be a real human being
instead of trying to be some image that he's professing
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to be. But when you factor in all these things, right,
hasn't really done it?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Not really great?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
They signed him, he took a year to supposedly prep
although it wasn't like he was awesome when he got it.
And then you have a conflict of interest that everybody's
talking about with the NFL, with your teams. It can
hurt your broadcast, hurt your ability to get information, and
also potentially, I guess, hurt the Raiders and that he
could get shut out of any information because everybody thinks
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he's working for the Raiders. When you factor it all in,
you start to go, like, why why do we even
put him on air if he's just okay? And the
reason is he tom Brady? The reason is he's Tom Brady.
And the expression in sports is winning cures all ills.
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But it really, it really does it's completely There's nothing
you can say negatively about Tom Brady that will ever
stick because end of the day, he's got seven championship
brings seven and people want to be associated with winning.
Magic Johnson not a particularly good broadcaster, unbelievable businessman, unbelievable
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NBA player, won four championships.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Right, he's magic one NCAA championship.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
How many opportunities is he as has he gotten that
he probably wasn't even fully invested in?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Does them? Coaching? Running the Lakers, broadcasting? Right?
Speaker 3 (03:19):
All of those are like side hustles because his main
hustle is his business enterprise. Why do they keep pushing
for because he's magic? Because he won? And I think
the second that we admit that that it has nothing
to do with race, has nothing to do with gender.
It only has to do with whether or not you've won,
then you understand. And it doesn't mean that it's the
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right philosophy, but it is a philosophy that most TV
programmers pick, which is, if you've won, everybody knows who
you are, so let's put you back on TV and
all you got to do is comment on winning, because
you know what winning's like, so you can talk about winning.
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Let's get to the Foxes.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
And now what say?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Let's get the Foxes.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
And now.
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Speaker 2 (04:31):
One Show, Here's Dan Patrick.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
He reached out to the NFL and asked if broadcasters
are allowed in the coaching booth. The NFL re spoted
with a statement that they sent out yesterday, no rules
prohibiting owners in the coaching booth.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Dan had this to say about that.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
We ask about a broadcaster sitting in the coaching booth,
not about an owner there. Tom is a minority owner,
he's allowed to be in the coaching booth. Is a
broadcaster allowed to be there? That was what we wanted
to know, still want to know. But the NFL is
just trying to kick this down the can down the road. Now, Hey,
(05:04):
once we get to Thursday and then it's not going
to be a big deal. Well, it's going to be
a big deal. When the Raiders play the Bears, then
it becomes a big deal again. But the NFL survives
all of this and they don't have to answer anything.
You know, if I'm Commissioner Goodell, all he has to
say is, Hey, the owners don't have a problem with this.
I don't have a problem with this. It's you guys
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in the media, Okay. And maybe that's the case, maybe
fans don't care, but it's a conflict of interest. But
we thought we would at least ask the NFL, just
so we had them on record. But they didn't say
anything about a broadcaster. They said the owner can be there.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Again, we talked about this yesterday. Dan Patrick and I
actually talked about it last night till we were talking
on the phone, and it's just it's fascinating. I think
the question becomes I'm obviously I'd be a hypocrite if
I said, hey, having two jobs is too much, especially
when they're in the same field. I don't think anybody's
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thinking it's too much, right, it's the appearance of a
conflict of interest, even if there isn't a conflict of interest.
Like very little thing, very few things are going to
be able to you can't see on tape that you
don't already know. I think the one question people have
is if he's taken an active approach.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
With an owners as an owner.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
How influential can he be when he does when he
does interviews. I'm gonna point this out. Grant Hill is
a part owner of the Atlanta Hawks. He broadcast NBA
games for NBA TV, he did it for TNT, and
he also did the Final Four for CBS and TNT,
So I mean he's influential as well. Nobody mentions it
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because well, he doesn't have a headset on during a game,
even if he does go to Atlanta Hawks games. I
think this is about optics more than anything else. And yeah,
I mean I also think that you're in a standalone
Monday night football game. Why was that the game that
you chose to be in the booth and visible? You
could have the headphones on and be in a different
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box and no one know you're there, but it's like
I have to be next to the coaches. My guess
is again just to guess, is that if he enjoys
the process of being with the front office, that's ultimately
the move. I don't know if he likes being a broadcaster.
He's done the Super Bowl, he's done all this stuff.
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I don't know if it brings him joy, and I'm
sure to him he's always wanted to run a football
Like now he's like, maybe I want to run a
football team. And this is a really good thing from
Mark Davis because it kind of wets his appetite.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
You get his brain.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
There's lots of stuff he doesn't know about scouting and
all kinds of different things and adjustments and coaching whatever.
But if you can have that guy as your ally
and slowly grow him into a potential president of football operations,
that's a huge win for everybody. But I think that's
like another year and a half away, is my guess.
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Here's Colin Cowhert talking about Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
He leads the NFL in passing touchdowns. Since he got
to Tampa, game winning drives last two weeks, he's been great.
He doesn't have to battle the media. He didn't have
to battle Hugh Jackson or Greg Williams to win the room.
He doesn't have to remake an organization. Tampa's always had players.
They just could never get the quarterback right, even as
top receiver, Mike Evans, Mecca Buka, No, we go easy
(08:38):
going guys. Remember Obj in Cleveland, the dad gets involved,
they're releasing stuff to the media. It just didn't work.
So Tampa is a perfect fit for Baker. By the way,
look at him. Handsome, he's happy, he's in great shape.
If you can go on the road in the NFL,
get a punt blocked, give up a huge return, not
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play particularly well, but you have a goal line stand,
you get Baker the ball with a couple of minutes left.
They're gonna win this division again. And Baker's the reason
why Baker Mayfield finally found the perfect fit. Even when
he got hurt here, when he got banged up his ankle,
that didn't stay down too long. You wanted to get
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out and get chatty. That's Baker and I'm here for it.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
I mean, remember there's a couple teams in between Cleveland
and when he ultimately got to Tampa and Tampa he
had to win the job. But this is this is
where Baker's at his best. When he's an underdog and
when he's slightly out of the spotlight and he has
guys that are all in on Baker. I think him
being the number one overall pick. I think that hurt
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him because there's an expectation of the number one overall
pick and he's not that guy. Obviously, having Odell Beckham
Junior hurt him as well, because at the time Odell
Beckham Junior it was such a gigantic star that when
he wasn't performing well, it became about Baker when it
shouldn't have been. And Baker hurt his arm and he
wasn't throwing the ball well. So these are all realities
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to it. Here's Brady Quinn. He had this message for debos,
Sweeney critics and Clemson fans.
Speaker 6 (10:18):
Seven out of the last ten years made the playoffs
flex on eight of ten won the conference flex thirteen
of the last fourteen years he's won double digits, so
ten or more games. The exception of that was twenty
twenty three where they went nighted four. This is somewhere
in the territory of like the Ryot Day, Ohio State
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fan based conversation. So many programs and schools they'll want
to fire these guys, and you know what they end
up doing. They end up spending the next decade or
more tried to find that exact same guy. They would
have killed four. So Clemson fans, I get it. This
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is not the start of the season that you wanted.
By the way, last year wasn't the start of the
season that you wanted. You went and I died at three,
You end up winning your conference, you go to the playoff.
I get it. You still want the conference. You still
went to the playoff. They still have very much of
an opportunity to do that. So one to two football
team that has not played its best football, You don't
want to play your best football right now. You want
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to play your best football in November December heading into
the playoff.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
The teams that.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
Get hot are the teams that end up ultimately playing
for the national championship.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
All that's great, but again we can't be in denial
of the fact that Clemson has tried to do it
without the portal. And yes, they made the playoff, but
they are not progressing anywhere near the level that they
were previously. Now could it be finances, sure, sure, But
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you lose a home game to LSU. LSU is really talented, Okay,
Trail Troy at the half.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Then you get beat at Georgia Tech like we'll see.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I'm not telling them the season is over, but I
definitely think that Clemson, who is atop the college football
landscape going back six, seven, eight years ago, is just
it's a step below where they used to be. That's
what the Fox said say.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
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Speaker 3 (12:35):
Let's find out who's annoying Jason Stewart and now.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
It's your annoying, Hey, Doug.
Speaker 7 (12:47):
I've been very critical of the WNBA, and I've been
very critical of Major League Baseball, but in this in
this certain respect, the WNBA figure something out that Major
League Baseball never did. We found out yesterday what the
awards were for the season. They right before the playoffs started,
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the WNBA announced their awards. What a novel concept. What
a great way to kind of try to bring attention
to your league right before your your signature playoffs, as
opposed to do the entire playoffs, end your playoffs in
early November and then slow roll a release of rewards
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into December.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Totally agree, Totally agree. I guess the problem is how
do you do that? If your baseball just two.
Speaker 7 (13:45):
There is a Monday between the end of the season
and the start of the playoffs, do that?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Do it?
Speaker 7 (13:52):
Then?
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Okay, But the rest of the playoffs you're still going
to conflict with football.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
You're okay with that?
Speaker 7 (14:00):
Oh god, No, I'm specifically talking about the season award release.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Oh yeah, I mean baseball. It's so bad. It's so bad.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
They wait so long, and it's like they want to
do and nobody cares. I would, I would. I I'm
gonna guess that fifty percent of baseball fans don't know
who won most of the awards last year because they
occurred so late in the cycle. Right, I'm completely with you.
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And if they people are like, well, what happens if
they're in the playoffs they get eliminated?
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Like who cares?
Speaker 3 (14:38):
At least there's some residents with the awards immediately for
the postseason.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Completely agree with you.
Speaker 7 (14:43):
It's called like building momentum for your biggest stage in
nineteen fifties. In the nineteen fifties, the commissioner baseball would say, yeah,
but guys, he would come on our podcast and he
would say, no, no, no, we need time for all
the ballots to be mailed to us, snail mail to us,
and then we need to count all the ballots. That's
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the reason why there's two months. It takes that long
to receive ballots in the snail mail and announce them.
But here's the one issue I have with that one.
It's twenty twenty five. Everything is done digitally. You could
have all the votes in by Sunday night. You said
a deadline. If you don't hit the deadline, your vote
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doesn't count. We're gonna announce it tomorrow. Thank you, Taylor Townsend.
This is great. This is the second time that Taylor
Townshend has been in this segment. I had never heard
of her until she was in it for the first
time three weeks ago. So, Taylor Townsend is a tennis player,
an American tennis player. She's playing in China right now
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and was forced to apologize. I'm guessing forced to apologize
via gunpoint, or else she would have been disappeared by
the Chinese government. She was walking through the buffet for
the tennis players last night and said, I'm honestly shocked
at what I saw at the dinner buffet. As I
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go back and forth and look, these people are literally
killing frogs. Bullfrogs, aren't they poisonous? Don't you get wartz?
This is crazy. So this morning she got down on
her knees and apologized profusely for what could have been
taken as racist and or anti Chinese comments, as they
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are hosting her for her tennis. That's not what annoys me.
What annoys me is that the first time we ever
heard of Taylor Townsend on this program was when she
was asked after one of her matches at the US Open.
And I'm going to use this this is a geographical reference.
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It's the US Open. It's played in Queens, which is
a part of the the boroughs of New York City,
which is in the United States. She was asked about
her opponent talking shit about her after her tournament win
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in the US Open.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
Taylor, congratulations, fiery match, start to finish.
Speaker 7 (17:17):
We'll get to it all.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Can you fill us in on the conversation you were
having with the Elena out there.
Speaker 8 (17:22):
You know, it's competition. People get upset when they lose,
and you can some people say bad things. She told me,
I have no class, I have no education, and to
see what happens when we get outside the US, so
I'm looking forward to it. I mean, I beat her
in Canada outside the US. I beat her in New
York outside the US, So let's see what else she
has to say.
Speaker 7 (17:40):
So if you get a chance to beat her in China,
I will say this that's outside the US. But I
just think I find this person increasingly annoying. And when
she talks about educated being educated, I think she probably
needs more education on things like which cities are in
the United States.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Yeah, because New York City is not in the United States,
and that had the opposite of the intended effect. I remember,
that's the second time that kind has made it to
your annoying.
Speaker 7 (18:16):
Who else to quote a former was it Miss America
or a miss Universe? That's why they have maps. It's
annoying that Robert Redford died. I don't like seeing people die.
But what's more annoying is that, to me, it's like
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just one more reminder that we are we have removed
ourselves from what Hollywood was when he was at his peak.
People don't understand this in this time. And Mary, who's
sitting next to me, I think, is in her early twenties.
So I'm going to educate her. There was a time
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in movie history when one charismatic movie star would do
one movie a year, maybe one movie every two years,
and people would wind up around the block to see
that front man, that charismatic movie star, and he would
just do one movie. He wouldn't do a digital series
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that you could stream. You had to go to the theater.
You had to pay for a ticket. You paid your
two dollars and fifty cents, and then you paid for
your popcorn, and you watch Robert Redford. He was a
leading man in a bygone era. I cringe when I
see people like al Pacino doing digital series. Great actors,
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but they seem to belong in this bygone era. So
that saddens me. And then I really like Robert Redford.
I can go over his list of accolades, including the
Sun Dance Festival, but I won't. I found this online
last night that made me like him even more. He
was asked about American politics.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
What do you think patriotism in America should be right now?
Or what is it for you?
Speaker 9 (20:10):
Generosity of spirit would help?
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Are you seeing that what worries your most?
Speaker 9 (20:16):
What worries me most that I don't see it it
doesn't exist right now.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
If we have.
Speaker 9 (20:20):
I can't speak for your country, but my country is
kind of the strength of it is based on two
parties representing two different ideas or ways of thinking, working
together fleshing out those ideas. That's kind of a democratic principle.
But it's not at play right now. I think it's
pretty obvious. You know, you have two parties that are
so opposed it's really a house and very much divided.
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That's not very healthy in my mind.
Speaker 7 (20:45):
So Robert Redford can just confirming the fact that the
two party system in the United States is broken, and
he eloquently put it. And finally, Doug the Dodgers shoe
Halo Tani had a no hitter through five innings last night.
Depending on who you ask, Dave Roberts says that he
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asked show Hey if he wanted to go out, and
Shohy says, I'm good either way. The Dodgers gave up
a four run lead as sho Halo Tani and this
is kind of where it gets sat. Shoe Halo Tani
was pitching a no hitter. He pitched no hit innings
against a playoff team in the Phillies and then in
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the same game he hit his fiftieth home run, and
I think we are so used to this kind of
greatness that people don't understand how unusually amazing that is.
And our Dodger bulleten bullpen completely shit on his moment.
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Dodgers are annoying, specifically their bullpen. Nowadays you have to
honor Sho Halo Tani and close that game out, and
they did not.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
What's the most annoying Dodger bullpen? Tennis player who doesn't
know that the US is in the United States? What
are my other two choices?
Speaker 7 (22:17):
The WNBA does something that Major League Baseball doesn't.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Yeah, I think the Major League Baseball it is. It's honestly,
I'm glad you picked up on that. I usually bring
that up during the postseason, but getting out ahead of
it is really smart, and pointing out that even the
WNBA gets it right makes it even more annoyed.
Speaker 7 (22:43):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 6 (22:45):
I do.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Because we can.
Speaker 7 (22:51):
Pearl Jam front man Eddie Vedder is a big sports fan.
He's a Cubs fan, famous Cubs fan, and I think
he's good friends with Anthony Rizzo. Anthony, I think retired
recently was honored by the Cubs if I want. If
my facts are incorrect, forgive me because it's not important
to the story. The important thing is that Eddie Vedder
was on Live TV and he said this on Live TV.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Raddie, you're like a regular out here. What today, though,
is it like to get to enjoy this with Anthony?
Speaker 7 (23:20):
Uh?
Speaker 9 (23:21):
I've never got to sit with my favorite player in
the bleachers clean the.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Stretch with him? What was it like cleaning the stretch
with him?
Speaker 2 (23:29):
What was it like?
Speaker 7 (23:30):
Oh, I was terrified.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
You're terrified by dec I didn't want them to fuck up.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
So good, so good, the great Eddie Vedder. Why do
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Speaker 2 (23:53):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
What up Fox Sports Radio? And the bonus.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Isn't an amazing What championships do do you? What winning
does to you? I bring it up because you know,
yesterday we spent a lot of time, a lot of
radio equity talk about the Tom Brady story where Tom
Brady a partial owner of the Raiders in the booth listen,
you know, with the coaching calls whatever, and is it
(00:45):
a conflict of interest? Should he be allowed to call games?
What does Fox think? And then you know, it does
sort of mute the fact that he hasn't been particularly
good as a broadcast. Better this year, but still not
not any not anybody that if on the merits of
just his broadcast, he would be in an NFL booth,
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let alone in the biggest booth for Fox Sports. I
think that's reasonable. But he's also started just started doing it.
And you know, it's one of the things that the
guys of us in broadcasting, many of us who have
done games, we talk about it. And I do think
that there's a need there to do more games, to
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get more reps, to be more free to just be
Tom Brady and stop being Tom Brady commentator. Tom Brady's
trying too hard to be that guy, but it does
take time. I don't know if we'll ever get there.
I don't know if he has the ability to be
kind of that vulnerable and be a real human being
instead of trying to be some image that he's professing
(01:48):
to be. But when you factor in all these things, right,
hasn't really done it?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Not really great?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
They signed him, he took a year to supposedly prep
although it wasn't like he was awesome when he got it.
And then you have a conflict of interest that everybody's
talking about with the NFL, with your teams. It can
hurt your broadcast, hurt your ability to get information, and
also potentially, I guess, hurt the Raiders and that he
could get shut out of any information because everybody thinks
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he's working for the Raiders. When you factor it all in,
you start to go, like, why why do we even
put him on air if he's just okay? And the
reason is he tom Brady? The reason is he's Tom Brady.
And the expression in sports is winning cures all ills.
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But it really, it really does it's completely There's nothing
you can say negatively about Tom Brady that will ever
stick because end of the day, he's got seven championship
brings seven and people want to be associated with winning.
Magic Johnson not a particularly good broadcaster, unbelievable businessman, unbelievable
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NBA player, won four championships.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Right, he's magic one NCAA championship.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
How many opportunities is he as has he gotten that
he probably wasn't even fully invested in?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Does them? Coaching? Running the Lakers, broadcasting? Right?
Speaker 3 (03:19):
All of those are like side hustles because his main
hustle is his business enterprise. Why do they keep pushing
for because he's magic? Because he won? And I think
the second that we admit that that it has nothing
to do with race, has nothing to do with gender.
It only has to do with whether or not you've won,
then you understand. And it doesn't mean that it's the
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right philosophy, but it is a philosophy that most TV
programmers pick, which is, if you've won, everybody knows who
you are, so let's put you back on TV and
all you got to do is comment on winning, because
you know what winning's like, so you can talk about winning.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
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Eh to Doug Otleb Show. Here on Fox Sports Radio,
Let's get to the Foxes.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
And now what say?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Let's get the Foxes.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
And now.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Every day of this time in the Bonus podcast to
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One Show, Here's Dan Patrick.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
He reached out to the NFL and asked if broadcasters
are allowed in the coaching booth. The NFL re spoted
with a statement that they sent out yesterday, no rules
prohibiting owners in the coaching booth.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Dan had this to say about that.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
We ask about a broadcaster sitting in the coaching booth,
not about an owner there. Tom is a minority owner,
he's allowed to be in the coaching booth. Is a
broadcaster allowed to be there? That was what we wanted
to know, still want to know. But the NFL is
just trying to kick this down the can down the road. Now, Hey,
(05:04):
once we get to Thursday and then it's not going
to be a big deal. Well, it's going to be
a big deal. When the Raiders play the Bears, then
it becomes a big deal again. But the NFL survives
all of this and they don't have to answer anything.
You know, if I'm Commissioner Goodell, all he has to
say is, Hey, the owners don't have a problem with this.
I don't have a problem with this. It's you guys
(05:26):
in the media, Okay. And maybe that's the case, maybe
fans don't care, but it's a conflict of interest. But
we thought we would at least ask the NFL, just
so we had them on record. But they didn't say
anything about a broadcaster. They said the owner can be there.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Again, we talked about this yesterday. Dan Patrick and I
actually talked about it last night till we were talking
on the phone, and it's just it's fascinating. I think
the question becomes I'm obviously I'd be a hypocrite if
I said, hey, having two jobs is too much, especially
when they're in the same field. I don't think anybody's
(06:07):
thinking it's too much, right, it's the appearance of a
conflict of interest, even if there isn't a conflict of interest.
Like very little thing, very few things are going to
be able to you can't see on tape that you
don't already know. I think the one question people have
is if he's taken an active approach.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
With an owners as an owner.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
How influential can he be when he does when he
does interviews. I'm gonna point this out. Grant Hill is
a part owner of the Atlanta Hawks. He broadcast NBA
games for NBA TV, he did it for TNT, and
he also did the Final Four for CBS and TNT,
So I mean he's influential as well. Nobody mentions it
(06:52):
because well, he doesn't have a headset on during a game,
even if he does go to Atlanta Hawks games. I
think this is about optics more than anything else. And yeah,
I mean I also think that you're in a standalone
Monday night football game. Why was that the game that
you chose to be in the booth and visible? You
could have the headphones on and be in a different
(07:15):
box and no one know you're there, but it's like
I have to be next to the coaches. My guess
is again just to guess, is that if he enjoys
the process of being with the front office, that's ultimately
the move. I don't know if he likes being a broadcaster.
He's done the Super Bowl, he's done all this stuff.
(07:36):
I don't know if it brings him joy, and I'm
sure to him he's always wanted to run a football
Like now he's like, maybe I want to run a
football team. And this is a really good thing from
Mark Davis because it kind of wets his appetite.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
You get his brain.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
There's lots of stuff he doesn't know about scouting and
all kinds of different things and adjustments and coaching whatever.
But if you can have that guy as your ally
and slowly grow him into a potential president of football operations,
that's a huge win for everybody. But I think that's
like another year and a half away, is my guess.
(08:12):
Here's Colin Cowhert talking about Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
He leads the NFL in passing touchdowns. Since he got
to Tampa, game winning drives last two weeks, he's been great.
He doesn't have to battle the media. He didn't have
to battle Hugh Jackson or Greg Williams to win the room.
He doesn't have to remake an organization. Tampa's always had players.
They just could never get the quarterback right, even as
top receiver, Mike Evans, Mecca Buka, No, we go easy
(08:38):
going guys. Remember Obj in Cleveland, the dad gets involved,
they're releasing stuff to the media. It just didn't work.
So Tampa is a perfect fit for Baker. By the way,
look at him. Handsome, he's happy, he's in great shape.
If you can go on the road in the NFL,
get a punt blocked, give up a huge return, not
(09:02):
play particularly well, but you have a goal line stand,
you get Baker the ball with a couple of minutes left.
They're gonna win this division again. And Baker's the reason
why Baker Mayfield finally found the perfect fit. Even when
he got hurt here, when he got banged up his ankle,
that didn't stay down too long. You wanted to get
(09:22):
out and get chatty. That's Baker and I'm here for it.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
I mean, remember there's a couple teams in between Cleveland
and when he ultimately got to Tampa and Tampa he
had to win the job. But this is this is
where Baker's at his best. When he's an underdog and
when he's slightly out of the spotlight and he has
guys that are all in on Baker. I think him
being the number one overall pick. I think that hurt
(09:49):
him because there's an expectation of the number one overall
pick and he's not that guy. Obviously, having Odell Beckham
Junior hurt him as well, because at the time Odell
Beckham Junior it was such a gigantic star that when
he wasn't performing well, it became about Baker when it
shouldn't have been. And Baker hurt his arm and he
wasn't throwing the ball well. So these are all realities
(10:12):
to it. Here's Brady Quinn. He had this message for debos,
Sweeney critics and Clemson fans.
Speaker 6 (10:18):
Seven out of the last ten years made the playoffs
flex on eight of ten won the conference flex thirteen
of the last fourteen years he's won double digits, so
ten or more games. The exception of that was twenty
twenty three where they went nighted four. This is somewhere
in the territory of like the Ryot Day, Ohio State
(10:39):
fan based conversation. So many programs and schools they'll want
to fire these guys, and you know what they end
up doing. They end up spending the next decade or
more tried to find that exact same guy. They would
have killed four. So Clemson fans, I get it. This
(11:02):
is not the start of the season that you wanted.
By the way, last year wasn't the start of the
season that you wanted. You went and I died at three,
You end up winning your conference, you go to the playoff.
I get it. You still want the conference. You still
went to the playoff. They still have very much of
an opportunity to do that. So one to two football
team that has not played its best football, You don't
want to play your best football right now. You want
(11:23):
to play your best football in November December heading into
the playoff.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
The teams that.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
Get hot are the teams that end up ultimately playing
for the national championship.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
All that's great, but again we can't be in denial
of the fact that Clemson has tried to do it
without the portal. And yes, they made the playoff, but
they are not progressing anywhere near the level that they
were previously. Now could it be finances, sure, sure, But
(11:55):
you lose a home game to LSU. LSU is really talented, Okay,
Trail Troy at the half.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Then you get beat at Georgia Tech like we'll see.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I'm not telling them the season is over, but I
definitely think that Clemson, who is atop the college football
landscape going back six, seven, eight years ago, is just
it's a step below where they used to be. That's
what the Fox said say.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
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Speaker 3 (12:35):
Let's find out who's annoying Jason Stewart and now.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
It's your annoying, Hey, Doug.
Speaker 7 (12:47):
I've been very critical of the WNBA, and I've been
very critical of Major League Baseball, but in this in
this certain respect, the WNBA figure something out that Major
League Baseball never did. We found out yesterday what the
awards were for the season. They right before the playoffs started,
(13:10):
the WNBA announced their awards. What a novel concept. What
a great way to kind of try to bring attention
to your league right before your your signature playoffs, as
opposed to do the entire playoffs, end your playoffs in
early November and then slow roll a release of rewards
(13:33):
into December.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Totally agree, Totally agree. I guess the problem is how
do you do that? If your baseball just two.
Speaker 7 (13:45):
There is a Monday between the end of the season
and the start of the playoffs, do that?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Do it?
Speaker 7 (13:52):
Then?
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Okay, But the rest of the playoffs you're still going
to conflict with football.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
You're okay with that?
Speaker 7 (14:00):
Oh god, No, I'm specifically talking about the season award release.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Oh yeah, I mean baseball. It's so bad. It's so bad.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
They wait so long, and it's like they want to
do and nobody cares. I would, I would. I I'm
gonna guess that fifty percent of baseball fans don't know
who won most of the awards last year because they
occurred so late in the cycle. Right, I'm completely with you.
(14:32):
And if they people are like, well, what happens if
they're in the playoffs they get eliminated?
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Like who cares?
Speaker 3 (14:38):
At least there's some residents with the awards immediately for
the postseason.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Completely agree with you.
Speaker 7 (14:43):
It's called like building momentum for your biggest stage in
nineteen fifties. In the nineteen fifties, the commissioner baseball would say, yeah,
but guys, he would come on our podcast and he
would say, no, no, no, we need time for all
the ballots to be mailed to us, snail mail to us,
and then we need to count all the ballots. That's
(15:06):
the reason why there's two months. It takes that long
to receive ballots in the snail mail and announce them.
But here's the one issue I have with that one.
It's twenty twenty five. Everything is done digitally. You could
have all the votes in by Sunday night. You said
a deadline. If you don't hit the deadline, your vote
(15:26):
doesn't count. We're gonna announce it tomorrow. Thank you, Taylor Townsend.
This is great. This is the second time that Taylor
Townshend has been in this segment. I had never heard
of her until she was in it for the first
time three weeks ago. So, Taylor Townsend is a tennis player,
an American tennis player. She's playing in China right now
(15:51):
and was forced to apologize. I'm guessing forced to apologize
via gunpoint, or else she would have been disappeared by
the Chinese government. She was walking through the buffet for
the tennis players last night and said, I'm honestly shocked
at what I saw at the dinner buffet. As I
(16:11):
go back and forth and look, these people are literally
killing frogs. Bullfrogs, aren't they poisonous? Don't you get wartz?
This is crazy. So this morning she got down on
her knees and apologized profusely for what could have been
taken as racist and or anti Chinese comments, as they
(16:32):
are hosting her for her tennis. That's not what annoys me.
What annoys me is that the first time we ever
heard of Taylor Townsend on this program was when she
was asked after one of her matches at the US Open.
And I'm going to use this this is a geographical reference.
(16:53):
It's the US Open. It's played in Queens, which is
a part of the the boroughs of New York City,
which is in the United States. She was asked about
her opponent talking shit about her after her tournament win
(17:13):
in the US Open.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
Taylor, congratulations, fiery match, start to finish.
Speaker 7 (17:17):
We'll get to it all.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Can you fill us in on the conversation you were
having with the Elena out there.
Speaker 8 (17:22):
You know, it's competition. People get upset when they lose,
and you can some people say bad things. She told me,
I have no class, I have no education, and to
see what happens when we get outside the US, so
I'm looking forward to it. I mean, I beat her
in Canada outside the US. I beat her in New
York outside the US, So let's see what else she
has to say.
Speaker 7 (17:40):
So if you get a chance to beat her in China,
I will say this that's outside the US. But I
just think I find this person increasingly annoying. And when
she talks about educated being educated, I think she probably
needs more education on things like which cities are in
the United States.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Yeah, because New York City is not in the United States,
and that had the opposite of the intended effect. I remember,
that's the second time that kind has made it to
your annoying.
Speaker 7 (18:16):
Who else to quote a former was it Miss America
or a miss Universe? That's why they have maps. It's
annoying that Robert Redford died. I don't like seeing people die.
But what's more annoying is that, to me, it's like
(18:36):
just one more reminder that we are we have removed
ourselves from what Hollywood was when he was at his peak.
People don't understand this in this time. And Mary, who's
sitting next to me, I think, is in her early twenties.
So I'm going to educate her. There was a time
(18:58):
in movie history when one charismatic movie star would do
one movie a year, maybe one movie every two years,
and people would wind up around the block to see
that front man, that charismatic movie star, and he would
just do one movie. He wouldn't do a digital series
(19:20):
that you could stream. You had to go to the theater.
You had to pay for a ticket. You paid your
two dollars and fifty cents, and then you paid for
your popcorn, and you watch Robert Redford. He was a
leading man in a bygone era. I cringe when I
see people like al Pacino doing digital series. Great actors,
(19:43):
but they seem to belong in this bygone era. So
that saddens me. And then I really like Robert Redford.
I can go over his list of accolades, including the
Sun Dance Festival, but I won't. I found this online
last night that made me like him even more. He
was asked about American politics.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
What do you think patriotism in America should be right now?
Or what is it for you?
Speaker 9 (20:10):
Generosity of spirit would help?
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Are you seeing that what worries your most?
Speaker 9 (20:16):
What worries me most that I don't see it it
doesn't exist right now.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
If we have.
Speaker 9 (20:20):
I can't speak for your country, but my country is
kind of the strength of it is based on two
parties representing two different ideas or ways of thinking, working
together fleshing out those ideas. That's kind of a democratic principle.
But it's not at play right now. I think it's
pretty obvious. You know, you have two parties that are
so opposed it's really a house and very much divided.
(20:43):
That's not very healthy in my mind.
Speaker 7 (20:45):
So Robert Redford can just confirming the fact that the
two party system in the United States is broken, and
he eloquently put it. And finally, Doug the Dodgers shoe
Halo Tani had a no hitter through five innings last night.
Depending on who you ask, Dave Roberts says that he
(21:07):
asked show Hey if he wanted to go out, and
Shohy says, I'm good either way. The Dodgers gave up
a four run lead as sho Halo Tani and this
is kind of where it gets sat. Shoe Halo Tani
was pitching a no hitter. He pitched no hit innings
against a playoff team in the Phillies and then in
(21:28):
the same game he hit his fiftieth home run, and
I think we are so used to this kind of
greatness that people don't understand how unusually amazing that is.
And our Dodger bulleten bullpen completely shit on his moment.
(21:49):
Dodgers are annoying, specifically their bullpen. Nowadays you have to
honor Sho Halo Tani and close that game out, and
they did not.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
What's the most annoying Dodger bullpen? Tennis player who doesn't
know that the US is in the United States? What
are my other two choices?
Speaker 7 (22:17):
The WNBA does something that Major League Baseball doesn't.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Yeah, I think the Major League Baseball it is. It's honestly,
I'm glad you picked up on that. I usually bring
that up during the postseason, but getting out ahead of
it is really smart, and pointing out that even the
WNBA gets it right makes it even more annoyed.
Speaker 7 (22:43):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 6 (22:45):
I do.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Because we can.
Speaker 7 (22:51):
Pearl Jam front man Eddie Vedder is a big sports fan.
He's a Cubs fan, famous Cubs fan, and I think
he's good friends with Anthony Rizzo. Anthony, I think retired
recently was honored by the Cubs if I want. If
my facts are incorrect, forgive me because it's not important
to the story. The important thing is that Eddie Vedder
was on Live TV and he said this on Live TV.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Raddie, you're like a regular out here. What today, though,
is it like to get to enjoy this with Anthony?
Speaker 7 (23:20):
Uh?
Speaker 9 (23:21):
I've never got to sit with my favorite player in
the bleachers clean the.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Stretch with him? What was it like cleaning the stretch
with him?
Speaker 2 (23:29):
What was it like?
Speaker 7 (23:30):
Oh, I was terrified.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
You're terrified by dec I didn't want them to fuck up.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
So good, so good, the great Eddie Vedder. Why do
we play it for you because we can. That's it
for the end of the Bonus podcast. You got the
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Speaker 2 (23:53):
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