LeBron and Kawhi Where To, Free Agency Frenzy, Immature Jameis

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
What up. Welcome in. This is lure in poor Colin Cowherd,
slightly younger, much more debon here. I'm Doug Gottli. Wherever
you may be, however you may be listening to the show.
Thanks so much for making us part of your day,
live from still overcast, cool Los Angeles, where we, unlike

(00:25):
many of you in the Midwest and soon on the
East Coast, experience and in heatwave. Uh, it's gonna be
seventy five of the beaches, eighty in the basin, nine
in the valley every day and then of course get
a little hotter. I think the end of next weekend
summer will fully arrive. But the summer of Lebron has
has has begun. Lebron James opts out of his contract

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with the Cleveland Cavaliers. That came down the line from
various Twitter handles earlier day. That is not a surprise,
not a surprise, h Lebron James has won every right
to opt out. That's why his contracts were written as such,
and too be opted in when you can make more
money and control your own destiny. Outside of that, what

(01:08):
was really you know, why would he do it? So?
Lebron Lebron opts out and Lebron is a free agent.
I oh yeah. By the way, I'm not sure if
you guys are aware, but today, the twenty nine of
June is Kauai Leonard's birthday, Happy birthday, and the Spurs

(01:32):
wished him happy birthday. Never has a Twitter handle been
so awkward since? Uh? I guess probably when the Toronto
Raptors congratulated Dwayne Casey on being the Coach of the
Year after he was fired as their head coach. I
love NBA Twitter, I really do. So here's where we
stand as of today. Various reports yesterday about the Lakers

(01:56):
and the Celtics engaged in talks regarding Kawai Leonard. The Celtics,
per their reports, noncommittal about who they'd include in the deal,
whereas the Lakers, uh, the home run package has not
been landed, and so I'm sure they're they're dipping their
toe into the Kauai Kawai waters. Understanding that there's a

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reason that Magic said what he said a couple of
days ago. We'll get to that, and then you have
Lebron James. Now, I'll give you what I I know
based upon the people I know and trust in the NBA.
And then I'll give you in a second what I
think about Lebron and the sitting waiting for something to
happen before he makes that move. Let's let's start with

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what I know. If you you're gonna sit here and
tell me that the Celtics are going to include Kyrie
Irving in a trade, I'm going to stop listening to
what you're saying. I don't think this. I know this
based upon two people I know in the Celtics front
office that they love Kyrie and he loves playing there,

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and they believe that Kyrie Irving he's not the best
point guard in the league. He's right there in the
discussion and they know that he's a part of He
fits into how they do what they do and why
they do it. The only concern with Kyrie Irving would
be the knee right and that he had. If you
know anything about the injury that he had, it was

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four years ago. Four years ago he had his his
kneecap broke against the Golden State Warriors in Game one
of the NBA Finals, a game in which the Calves
lost in overtime. He had three screws put in they
needed wire that tied him all together. His first surgery
this year was to take the wire out because it
was irritating him underneath the skin. Can you just imagine that,

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like the feeling of switching and scratching and underneath the skin.
That sounds so painful. And then he had the three
screws removed because one of them looked like it could
be infected. If the knat bone, if the kneecap itself
gets infected, now you've got a major problem for the
rest of his life, not just the rest of his career.
They believe is Nei'll be fine. That's their only concern.

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They think Kyrie is a better defensive player than you think.
They think he's a better passer than you think. And
they already know that everybody knows what a great score
he is, especially eaten around the basket. And oh yeah,
by the way, while Lebron made one of the great
defensive plays in the history of the NBA blocking Andrea
Guadala a couple of years ago in Game seven, it
was Kyrie who had times, carried them offensively and made

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the big three. None of these facts are lost on
the Boston Celtics. More than anything. The Boston Celtics are
run by a coach who's brilliant, and they believe Kyrie
Irving is brilliant. They get him, he gets them, not changing.
In addition, I've heard, well, don't you through Gordon Hayward
in there? How good is Gordon Hayward. Gordon Hayward isn't

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just really good. He was an All star going back
a year ago with Utah Jazz. Harder to be an
star in the West, especially in a place like Utah.
It's gotten better every year in his career. He can
guard and play four positions on each side of the floor.
He doesn't have to be the leading score the best player, superstar.
He's getting his money. Is very very happy, but more
to anything. He did, in fact play for Brad Stevenson College.

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That does matter. In addition, he too likes the culture
of the Celtics. Those two aren't going anywhere. And then
you have well Jayson Tatum, who if if it was
a one for one Tatum for Kauai, I would probably
do it. The problem is that it's not simply that easy. Okay,

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Jayson Tatum is on a rookie contract for three more years.
Kawhi Leonards got one more year, and they have no
idea nor they've been given any thoughts that Kauai would
want to stay. So three years of Jayson Tatum not
yet in the prime of his career, or one year
of Kauahi Leonard. And if you remember when Gordon Hayward
sign with the Celtics when they traded for Kyrie Irving,

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one of the statements that Danny Ainge made was that
both of them fit in age wise and career wise
to their plan to be successful and competitive during a
certain stretch of time. Like they don't want they are
the two cows the top of the pastors. They're not
the one that wants to run down and run back.
They want to walk down and stay down for a while.

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So then you're left with Jalen Brown, draft picks, Terry
Rogier other backups. And even then the Celtics are like, look,
we do it, but we have no idea if he'd stay.
Don't be fooled. NBA teams league stories to our NBA
NBA writer brethren, the Lakers are the destination for Kawhi

(06:51):
Leonard this year or next year. He has let it
be known to everybody in the league that's where he
wants to play. Do the best you can. If not,
we'll do this stance next year, I'll just go and
you won't get anything. And the people who are leaving
you to believe that the Spurs have leverage of the
San Antonio Spurs, they don't do this very often. They

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have a great general manager, a great front office, but
you don't. You don't ever see them engaged in trade
talks with their star players. And the team I would
least want to do business with is not the Lakers.
It's the Celtics because they keep winning all these damn trades.
So by my estimation, it feels like the Kauai thing

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will probably get done. The only question with the Lakers
is are you you are? Are you willing to play hardball?
Are you willing to say, hey, you know what, we're
not giving the Ingram and Kuzma. We'll give you one
or the other. That's a fair trade. We'll give you
a couple of draft picks, and you'll give us somebody
who doesn't want to be there. I think that's the question.

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You know, when you walk in a negotiation, are you
willing to walk away? Is your level of confidence? Magic
Johnson said earlier this week. Remember he was laughing. People
killed him for saying, Hey, if I don't get guys
in the next two years, I'll quit. You don't have
to fire me. You feel like Magic Johnson is not
speaking out of turn here. He feels that kawas coming regardless.

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So either give him to us now or await a
year and give it to us then. But are you
willing to walk away from the table, especially with Paul George,
who you could have had last year, but maybe he
didn't have the assets to pull off the move, or
maybe Indiana didn't want to give into his wishes and
trade him to the Lakers. Well, whatever the reason is,
last year, you didn't do it. Now you might not

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get Paul George. I have some thoughts in the Paul
George documentary and why it would be very surprising to
me if he didn't choose l A. But let's get
to this. Lebron thinks he's the Godfather, right. Lebron james

(09:03):
favorite movie is The Godfather. And while the god makes plans, right,
Godfather makes plans and things seem to organically happen and
follow his way. The Godfather is in control, is in control.

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He knows what everyone's next move is before that next
move actually happens. So the question becomes, if Lebron James
can control this entire situation, why won't he? If he
can control and change the landscape of the NBA, the
Western Conference, the Lakers, the Calves, If he can stick

(09:47):
a knife in the heart of Dan Gilbert and walk
out that door one more time, why won't he. We'll
get to that up coming next. Maybe work in a
couple of your phone calls as well. Man, we got
a good show for you. Ryan Stilo is gonna join us,
Karen Butler is gonna join us. Gary Washburn from the
Boston Globe, one of their talented calumness, he's gonna join
us as well. Upcoming, that's up coming next. Look, we

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all act as if we want to be a movie star.
We want to be somebody else. Bron James wants to
be the godfather. Right, More on that in a second,
a sports fans, the sun is shining, the attempts are rising.
Summer is officially here. So grab your friends, blast your tunes,
and ignite those coals. Because whether like this waits for
no one, Kingsford Charcoal start something is there anything better?

(10:38):
Is there anything more summer than the smell of charcoal?
It's it's not really, it's a it's a question. Um,
what's the question that to which the answer is already
in the question. The answer is no, there's nothing but
what we're gonna say Ryan music, That would be Sunshine,
Doug Sunshine, Unshine have a smell? I think, I said,

(10:58):
does anything reminds you more summer? I thought, I said, Well,
maybe I didn't. And some of it is got a
little head cold. I thought you said, are you okay, Spider? Um,
I thought you. I thought you said, are you okay? Spider?
Dad's for me, Spider. Sorry. Part of this is a
little bit of a head cold. I literally closed my
eyes at eight o'clock last night, woke up in like

(11:20):
a heap of sweated like four o'clock in the morning,
and felt great, so much better whatever I had seemed
to break last night. Um, I thought, I said, does
anything smell more like summer than charcoal? Like hot dogs
smell amazing, amazing, popcorn smells amazing, cotton candy smells amazing. Generally,

(11:40):
any fair food smells amazing, but it doesn't smell as
much like summer. As charcoal does when you're you're cooking,
like you could go by a car like that smells
and and this is listen. Next week I'll be on
for Dan Patrick. Me and Jason Smith be hosting for
for Dan Patrick. Um, and we'll get into this discussion.

(12:01):
You are not barbecuing, you kick cook something on a grill.
You are grilling. But this I understand that it's a
very small distinction. But if you're having a barbecue, you
know what you have to be cooking barbecue. Oh, we're
having people over, we're gonna barbecue. What are you gonna barbecue?
Some chicken? Cool cool, some burgers, some hot dogs. Wait

(12:24):
a second, you're not barbecuing, you're grilling. Make sure you
get it right. You labeled right, Ryan Smith, I'm not.
I'm not stating anything that's that's not fact correct. You
might be correct, Sir Doug got Vin for columnus The
herd Um. I think most of us, it's interesting. Uh

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there's always somebody that you wish you could embody that's
like from your favorite movie, your favorite movie star, right,
like one of my favorite movies a Hunt for in October.
You guys like hunting Hunt for October It's one of
those staples. Was on T T N T forever right.
Alec Baldwin plays Jack Ryan CI CIA CIA analysts Jack Ryan.

(13:08):
I don't think I ever wanted to be Jack Ryan,
but if I was going to be a CIA analyst,
that's the one i'd want to be. Um many of Harrison,
like Harrison Ford Han Solo or Harrison Ford in uh
Indiana Jones, Like, there's somebody i'd want to be Lebron.
James loves The Godfather, favorite movie, and so maybe this

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is his way of being the Godfather and being so
hands off and allowing things to allowing people to think
they're things are happening organically, but they're not really happening organically.
But look, I would be critical of Lebron letting Kyrie
walk out the door. I understand there's this ain't too
proud to beg sort of thing. Alright, Well, like, look

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he's Lebron, Kyrie doesn't want to be part of it.
Kyrie's gone okay, But there's a business aspect to it.
The business of Lebron is better if they're winning and
competing for championships, and you're better if it's Kyrie irving
and it's also something more human to to the and
I think a greater leadership quality when you go and
you take Hey, Kyrie said he wanted to leave. We

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had a conversation and he still wanted to leave it.
I'm good with it. Instead, he took a hands off approach.
He took the same hands off approach with when they've
changed your manager. Took the same hands off approach when
they hired a head coach. Took the same hands off
approach when they made the second series of trades earlier this,
you know, in mid season this year, Lebron James has

(14:37):
always said like, hey, I'm just the basketball player here,
those kind of things. But it's not accurate. You know,
if when they first fired Mike Brown before he left
for Miami, if you didn't want Mike Brown fired, he
could have gone and said, hey, whatever you do, don't
fire Mike Brown, because you know what, they wouldn't have
done fire Mike Brown. When when Cleveland changed general managers

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and Kobe Altman wasn't was installed, right, had he simply
said don't change general managers? Instead, he reacts on Twitter
and Raggy so surprised. So this is kind of who
he is he's he has those cards and yet he
doesn't at least visibly use them. And and based upon

(15:26):
the way in which information leaks out, real or otherwise,
if Lebron James tried met with with Kyrie Irving before
he got traded and he still wanted to be trade,
you would have known about it. And Lebron James says,
fire this GM over my dead body, you would have
known about. Lebron James says, trade Dwyane Wade or re

(15:46):
least Dwyane Wade or whatever, over my dead body. You
would have known about. He hasn't done that, but now
might be the time to do that. Now might be
the time to which Lebron, look, dude, everybody's been talking
about you leaving for l A. And you can do
this dance and end up in Cleveland, because this is
not a year where there's a bunch of free agents.

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But if you really want to make the l A
thing work, go say you want to play in l A.
Just go, hey, I'm going to l A. We'll figure
out the rest. The rest will be figured out because
the second you do now there isn't the pressure on
the Lakers to make the trade for Kauai. Now you
think you get Paul George and oh yeah, By the way,

(16:30):
it completely changes the dynamic of all of these different
scenarios for three players. If you if, if you want
to make it happen, make it happen. But this idea
that it's gonna organically kind of play out, and oh man,
I can't believe Paul George didn't go there, So I'm
not gonna go that. Just you're leaving far many, far

(16:54):
too many things a chance, way too many things for chance.
Um Cowherd just checked in. I said, Colin, do you
want to call in and give you a prediction on
what happens this weekend? He says, I'm with kids, noisy,
doesn't want to call in because it's noisy where he is.

(17:15):
Are we buying that as a viable excuse? So that's
just I don't want it. He tweeted about it very
early this morning. He was up at six I saw
a six am tweet from Cowherd and it was about
Paul George. Paul and basically what he's saying is, look
at Paul George stays in Oklahoma City. It's only about
the money because he can get forty million dollars more
and one more year guaranteed from Oklahoma City. I can
read you the exactly, But do are we buying the

(17:38):
noisy excuse from Calherd? I am not. I think he
is just in a situation where he's like checked out
for right now and he's ready to But I don't
think he's checked out. That's the thing about Colin, and
I'm wired that way myself. With the lebron thing. You
can't check out from it. You just can't. There's no

(17:59):
I think I. I honestly think I got screensick a
little bit this week. Have you ever got you, guys,
ever gotten that to where you get like a headache
and your eyes hurt? Like I wasn't feeling well I did.
I think I wore myself out in my travels and
and doing some workouts and not hydrating enough or whatever,
and I probably you combine that with some sort of
cold setting in. But getting a headache. I think I

(18:20):
got screensick because I'm constantly hitting refresh trying to figure
out when one of these guys, when load or Stein
or shams, when one of these guys are gonna break
this story. So I don't I the idea that I'm
just gonna get away with it, get away from it.
Normally I would understand, I don't. I don't think he

(18:41):
wants to come on to talk about Jamis Winston basically
being proven to be a liar and now what are
we Why did Jamis Winston only get three games and
other dude supposed to get six games. We'll get to
that in the show. I think he wants, but there's
no way that he can get away. There's no possible
place you can go in America when you're calling Cowherd
and somebody's not gonna ask you what do you mean
by lebron today? I think that that's maybe why. That's

(19:03):
what I mean, like not like checked out, Like obviously
he's following what's going on, But the idea of like
coming onto the show, formulating ideas, trying to be interesting
and thought provoking with the conversation that he's going to
have with you is a lot different than just let
me type out a tweet real quick, send it and
then be on my way. M let's get to Ryan

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Music with the news, turn on THEOS. This is the
herd line. Don Gottleiban for Colin Ryan Music produces the
Doug Gottlieb Show, which you can hear daily TWELP the
three West Coast time three to six East Coast time
on your I Heart radio app, Fox Sports Radio affiliate
or serious XM channel eight three. What do you have,

(19:47):
my friend? Well, Doug, did you know that there is
an NBA team for sale right now? Actually one of
the more popular NBA teams. I don't know if it's
for sale yet, and I believe it's going to be.
There's rumors is going to be for sale. That's true.
The New York Knicks. Everyone is playing Connect the dots
to see what will happen next with the Knicks. But

(20:07):
they do believe that James Dolan will put the Knicks
up for sale. Uh. This is sort of coming around
after earlier this week he said that he's going to
take the Knicks and the Rangers and move them into
their own separate company and that makes them more easier
to sell. And amidst this news, Madison Square Garden the

(20:31):
stock price continues to go up, and so people think
that this is all sort of starting to shape into
the landscape that Dolan is laying the groundwork to end
up actually selling the Knicks. Yeah, there's some lyrics from
some song he released last year about you know that
people think it's awesome to be a vn NBA owner
and not. Uh So, let's let's clean up a couple

(20:54):
of things. You're the news. You gotta make sure he
cleans up. The Knicks are not officially for sale. People
think that to be percent. If the New York Knicks
do go up for sale, they will command the highest
dollar far and away in the history of the NBA,
maybe in the history of professional sports, in terms of value.
And you might ask yourself, wait, wait, wait, you're overstating.

(21:14):
It's not football. Okay, you're overstating it. They haven't won.
There's another team in New York. I believe if you
get the Knicks, you get the garden. That property. Here's
how valuable that piece of property, Madison Square Garden is.
They did a billion building renovation of that took three years,
all three three offstin They put a billion dollars into

(21:38):
the building, into the building, a billion dollars into the building.
So let's say the building is worth two in change.
I'm talking to billion in change. The NBA team, the Clippers,
the second team in l a that don't own their
own arena, that have never won anything Balmber bought them

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for you know, two mean and change. Correct? Alright, so
the Lakers are worth in the four range and they
don't own their arena, the Knicks would have to be
worth in the fives to six billions of dollars. Billions
of dollars. Three Commas with a bee? What else you got? Well, Doug,

(22:21):
I know you're a big fan. Did you know that
there is, in fact, like three Commas thing? You just
let the three Commas thing go away? Well? I know you,
I know what TV show it's from, but I don't
watch that TV show. Why don't you watch Billions? I don't.
I just haven't gotten it started. I have to. I'm
supposed to start Game of Thrones before my girl, having
promised her, I'm gonna catch up to her before the

(22:41):
new season comes out. Yeah, the problem is if you start,
uh if you know, like, if you if you download
the new Drake album where it's like fifties songs, right,
you'll never get to Game of Thrones if you're trying
to decipher which one of these songs you like or
don't like. Doug, there is a golf tournament going on
right now, So that means we are going to check
in with one Eldrick Tiger Woods actually playing some of

(23:05):
the best golf he has played this year. He has
scored seven, count them seven birdies so far. He has
moved into a tie for eleven, but he has only
four strokes back of the league and from some of
the reports that I've been following, it looks like he
is striking it well off of the tea box. That's

(23:28):
what his strength is. Well, look, the big thing was
the putter, and he's changed. Putter's right. He's changed completely,
made a putter change, which is which is big for him.
Not he put the Scottie Cameron back in the bag.
He's five under for the day. You mentioned uh that
he he was. He's tied for eleven. That's up thirty
seven spots from where he started the day. Some of
it is the course right playing, uh playing quicken Loans

(23:50):
National in Potomac, Maryland, some of that. But somebody is
I've told people Tiger Tigers hitting the ball well, his
back's not an issue. The chipping and the putting that
will come. He has never had an issue in the
head consistently putting. He just didn't make putts. These things
come and go. I still think he's gonna win big
by the time of the year is over. Well, that's

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the news, and thanks for the herd line. Gary Washburn
works for the Boston Globe, does an outstanding job. He,
like the rest of us, is following the Kauai thing,
the Lebron thing, the Celtics engagement in the Kauai thing,
and how it relates to Lebron thing. He joins us
now in the Herd on Fox Sports Radio. Get Gary,

(24:33):
what what do you know in regards to how the
Celtics are playing this potential Kauai trade. I just think
they're looking into it. I think anytime they have a
chance to acquire player that challenge and we have assets
to do with it, and the Celtics, if everybody know,
there's a lot of assets slotty done, players, first round picks,
et cetera. We have a type of assets to offer

(24:57):
and maybe the Spurs might give you a workable dealing
that might now want to send them to the Lakers
or to the Western Conference. So I think giving the
something tires on that type of deal, you can see
what the stirs we're asking for and you see if
it's something that you want to do, And I just
think it's kind of exploratory that I agree with you.
I also think, and you tell me if I'm wrong,

(25:18):
because you know this team even better than all the
rest of us do. Why would you do business with
Danny Ainge? Right? Like all of these trades he wins
on and and if if you people keep doing deals
with a guy and he keeps getting the better end
of a trade, at some point you go like, and
maybe we shouldn't be trading with him. Um, I understand
they have all those assets, but they have the assets

(25:39):
for a reason, and that's because Danny Ainge has found
a way humilate all those assets. Why would anybody, especially
the Spurs who don't trade often want to trade with
the best trader in the NBA. Yeah, it's interesting. I mean,
it's a good question. I'm sure that when his name
comes up on somebody's caller. I used forms and sure
everybody could kind of you just push the block that
you push, uh to hang up? You don't, you know,

(26:01):
take the call because of the potential deal that might happen,
and and the fact you might come up from the
short end. But I tell you you have to spur
you know exactly what you want. I mean, you kind
of see you out a little last couple of weeks
that Colli does not want to come back, that he
was not want to be in San Antonio, and you
don't want to go through this a year long MENAGERIEA

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basically carrying him and trying to trade him during the
season because you get worth get lesser than dollars for that.
I think they have a good idea of what they want.
They know the Celtics players, so I think they know
what to ask for. But I think that they're no,
they're not going to take a questionable deal of the
they're gonna take. They're gonna grab the gonna some pay
when there as the first round picks. They're gonna make

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sure they come out on top of the deal. Whether
you do with the Celtics or the Lakers. We're gonna
pass through a lot for the Lakers. The Lakers have
a lot to offer and you probably need to be
away more than the Celtics. Last thing in regards to
the Celtics, Gary Washburn joining us in Boston Globe covering
the Celtics, all things New England sports. Okay, so there

(27:03):
are people that operate on this assumption that Kyrie Irving
is going to go to New York next offseason. I
was in Boston last week. I talked with two different executives.
I had lunch with one of them, and they were like, look,
of course Kyrie is not gonna sign extensions eighty million
dollars difference. He likes to hear we like him. Everybody
thinks we can win a championship with this roster, Like, what,

(27:24):
what's the reality to the type of nervousness you believe
would exist in Boston ultimately losing Kyrie Irving. Well, I
think there will be some apprehension. I mean, I did
not expect Kyrie to tell everybody, hey, I won't be
in Boston in the next fifteen years. I had expect
that he's gonna play close to the cuff. I do
think he Boston. What let's trace it. York was on

(27:48):
on the list of the team that he would not
have mine had been traded to. When he asked the
trade for the Cavaliers, he means the net. He was
okay with that, and so obviously with the cat space
next summer, as the Knicks are going to accumulate, they're
going to probably try to make rural wether him. Now
the question is, are theself is coming off a NBA

(28:09):
Finals appearance? Are they're coming off a championship for They're
coming off, you know, studying elimination? Check around, how what
happens with this season? And I think they go to
the Kyrie's thinking, do you leave a championship team for
the Necks? Uh? Do you want to be the face
of that franchise? What's the state of the Knicks for
the Nets? Uh? In two thousand nineteen, we don't know

(28:31):
that both franchisees seem like they're on the rise. Now
they're doing start to do good things. The next Knicks
are given out the Abyss and that they're making good.
Morves have finally rid themselves in that Celtics trade. They've
given all their assets that they're gonna give. Now they
can keep their own. So I think it's the those
two franchises, what happens this year in Boston and then

(28:53):
how comfortable Kyrie is staying in Boston. All those factors
will play into it. Over my Tom Kyrie not surprise
that he commit long term to concern, but I think
of something to know. We have the aspects of challenge
to keep him here because the championship chal no question.

(29:16):
They just open a new practicacility which is state of
the arts, the best in the NBA. They have a
coach that everybody in the NBA respects, an ownership group
that's been willing to do whatever it takes, in a
gentlemanager who has done all these moves Like I look,
I get the allure to New York. Everyone in the
NBA wants to be the guy who can get it
back to the Red Holdtsman days. Okay, but so many
have tried before and failed, whereas the Celtics seam seemed

(29:38):
ever ever so close. Gary Washburn joining US uh national
NBA writer for the Boston Globe. He joins us in
the herd Um Doug Gotlie filling in for Colin. Last thing,
I I understand that you're talking about another human beings
decision that none of us truly know what will happen.
But if you were a betting man, you're gonna put
your salary on what happens. Uh lebron Kauai, Paul George

(30:04):
in that order where do they play next season. I
think Lebron goes to the Lakers. I think Kauai uh
goes to the Lakers. I think George stays in Oklahoma City.
I think George is comfortable there. I think Uh the
Spurs half to figure something out, and I think the
Lakers have the most sense to offer. I mean, I

(30:25):
think you can. I think if you're you can regenerate
your team with a grand Ingram, Kyle Kuzma, and Josh
Harden's who first round picks. I think that's a good
return for Kauai leap this year anyway, So that's that's
a that's a great return. If I'm the Lakers, I don't.
I don't. I don't think the Lakers are trading both
Ingram and Kuzma. Could be wrong. I don't think that.
But that's if you can get that and you're the Spurs,

(30:47):
you do that deal today? Yeah, I think you'd wait
until the Lakers be desperate because agency um. I think
the Spurs are at the advantage now because they know
the Lakers are desperate to make a splash. And Johnson
just putting a job on the line last week by
saying that he used to creation in the next two years,
and you've got Lebron looking at We'll kind of helping

(31:09):
to fit me because I'm not going there putting with
a bunch of kids winning point six games. I'm going
to win the title. So I think a lot on
the line for the Lakers. Uh. But I do think
Lebron goes there. I think he's out a way to
get Gary Washburn does a great job fam on Twitter,
is working in the Boston Globe. He covers the NBA

(31:29):
for a living. Gary, thanks so much for joining us.
I'll just only had this one point, okay, and this
is important. So ESPN is doing this little mini documentary
series there's six seven minutes long whatever, and part two
came out yesterday where Paul George went to visa Spain
and he actually sat down. He sat down with Dwyane Wade.

(31:55):
Some of it is made for the documentary, right. I
understand like documentaries, even though to look like real life,
they're not like reality shows. The more you do a
reality show, the less it becomes real. On the other hand,
I feel like this is more important than we're We're
We're given it justice. We'll get to that up coming

(32:16):
next I'm Doug Gottlieb, this is the hurt. There were
switch shops before. Doug Gottlieb in four column is the hurt. Look.
Some people lock themselves in their room and they just
come out with a decision. Um. I'm not that way.

(32:40):
Usually I call friends people I respect, and almost always
what you should do is when you're gonna go work
for somebody new, you want to talk to people who
have worked for that person or that group before, don't you?
Don't you? That's like you want background research. You want

(33:00):
to be able to ask hard questions about people, like, Hey,
what's this dude? Like? When I went to UH. When
I went to CBS from ESPN, I was doing radio
and I was working for UH. Two guys really like
a lot who have actually just left their company. One
is Chris Olivero and one was Eric Spitzer. Spense just
went to work for Sirius XM's a program director. Anyway.

(33:23):
Steve Levy, who works at ESPN, it was super close
friends with Eric Spitz. I think they used to be
roommates together before they before Spitz got married and Levy
got his start working on w f ANN New York.
So after my first couple of meetings and it started
to become a possibility. I went and pulled Steven Levy aside,
like what was what was this dude like, oh, he's

(33:45):
the best, he's this, he's that, you know it doesn't
like this. He likes this. That's what you do, so
everybody does. I'll never forget when I was also this
is when I was leaving ESPN, I was gonna do
a TV I did a TV show at night and
a radio show show during the day. So I I
called Scott van Pell and I said, um. And I

(34:09):
called Cowherd as well and uh, and both of them
said the exact same thing. They said, liked when you
do a radio and a TV show during the day,
Like everyone says, well, it's only you know, another hour
of work or in TV lands, or if it's if
it's thirty minutes, it's you know, twenty two minutes of
work or forty four minutes of work. The problem with it.

(34:31):
And I thought that Scott encapsulated best. He's like, look,
when you're doing a TV show, it's got your name
on it. You never don't think about the TV show.
You may be home, but you're not really home, and
you know the radio show is the same. And so
even if you're using the same topics, it's the mental
hurdles like that. That's a lot more work than you think.

(34:52):
It's a lot more work than you think. Coward said
the same, like, I'm not sure if you read, but Colin,
I think his run would speak for yourself, is going
to come to an end. This TV show on Fox
Sports one. And it's not it's not that he wasn't good,
but that's just a plus. He's getting up there in age.
You guys don't know. Colin's actually seventy two years old.
He he looks really good for his age. He's actually

(35:14):
seventy two. The point is that. And and then and
when Colin left ESPN to come to Fox, he was
asking me we never we didn't talk. It's never about
talking about money. You never talked about somebody's money. But
he was asking me about like how they treat you.
That's I was at CBS the time. How they treat you?

(35:35):
What's it like? You know, I'm thinking about this and
thinking if you could go back and change something, what
would you change? And I could just get the sense
that he was feeling me out to ultimately make a
massive move. I grew up in southern California. I lived
in southern California. A couple of years ago. We were
talking about the market places to live, kids in schools,
all these other little things. But more than anything, somebody

(35:57):
who had made the jump had made the leap. He
talked to a bunch of us. Ryan Roussillo is going
to join us upcoming in about an hour and a half.
You know, Rasilia made the move from east to west,
and I'm not sure I offered him any quality advice,
but we talked about it ten times over. Did you
do with your friends? Do you do with people you respect? O? Hey,

(36:18):
what's it really like? Smart? Paul George went to visit
Dwyane Wade. Now, look, Dwyne Wade's second stint with Lebron
didn't go well in Cleveland. But I'm still led to
believe that Dwyane Wade is best friends with Lebron James.
You go and sit down with the best friend of
Lebron James in your documentary when you're considering going to

(36:40):
play with the l A Lakers, presumably with Lebron James. Like,
what more of a sign do you need? What more
of a sign do you need. Well, he's working out
with Russell Westbrook. I don't think this. I know, I
know cow Herd kills Westbrook, and I think there's a
lot of parts of Russ's game that I don't like.
You know, Russ's default is the hell with it. I'm

(37:01):
gonna do it myself, which is great, but it doesn't
necessarily all work that way. Yeah, I'm just gonna do it.
The last game in Utah was a disaster. And if
I'm the Lakers and I get to sit with Paul George, hey,
let's just throw on some game tape and let's watch
the third and fourth quarter against the Utah Jazz in
Game six and just know, like, that's who Russell Westbrook is.

(37:23):
He's not a bad guy, but to be a guy
who believes that at the end of the day he's
been a bad shot from Russell Westbrook is better than
a good shot from you. The hell with it, I'm
gonna do it myself. That's hard to live with for
another year. When are there issues? And is it hard
to play with Lebron James being the second fiddle taking

(37:45):
some of the blame. Sure, but you're gonna get the
butt when you're open, You're gonna get the ball right
in your rhythm right and you're right in your sweet spot.
He's gonna live it on time, on target almost every time,
and it's up to you to make it so. I
I don't I don't know what greater sign you could
have gotten if you were a Laker fan when you

(38:08):
go to visit Dwyane Wade, right, Dwyane Wade is an
advocate for Lebron James. And though Dwyane Wade when he
left Miami, it didn't work out great for him in Chicago,
didn't work out great for him, uh in Cleveland. He
ended up back in Miami. But but that's not what
this That's not what that conversation was about. Dwayne Wade's

(38:32):
Lebron James guy. And you go to meet with him,
you go to discuss things. Unless Dwayne said something really
really stupid. You know, man ain't much fun unless Dayne
said something really really stupid. I can't believe that you
didn't ask him unless you all the answers you wanted

(38:53):
to hear. You end up here and you don't. Actually,
you know the crazy thing is, you don't even here
even when they give you negative answers. If you want
to do something, you don't even hear the negative answers.
You just don't you talk yourself into it. Right. It's

(39:14):
like you're going on a date with a girl your
best friend knows knows her. You sit down and he's like, well,
you know, she's got this thing that she does where
she'll should just go off the radar, you know, completely
off the grid for like a week on end. Nobody will.
I was like, but but she's smoke show, she's brilliant,
she's got her own job, she doesn't need your money now,

(39:36):
she high level conversation. And you just completely glossed over
the fact that you might not be able to know
where she is on earth for a week. And it
can be really off putting, Like you even listen when
they told you that that's what happens, you had kind
of confirmation bias, like, oh, okay, my sense of what happens.
Paul George goes to meet in a BISA, like you
have to want to make that trip. It wasn't like

(39:57):
he was down the street like oh, oh, Dwayne weighs
down the street. Oh I'll go down and grab a
cup of coffee. You go to Abiza, sit down, have
a film crew come. You're sitting with Dwayne Wade. It
feels like we have the answer without even knowing what
the actual question is already. Uh. I think many of
you have seen Breaking Bad. Many of you know the

(40:18):
plight of Walter White. It's similar to the plight of
the San Antonio Spurs with Kwaie Leonard. I'll explain next time.
Doug gottlib this is the herd. What up? Welcome in there,
this is the herd wherever you may be. I'llvery maybe
listening to this show. Thanks so much for Megan as

(40:38):
part of your day. I'm Doug Gottlieb, not Colin Cowhard,
who apparently, I said, unbelievably is seventy two years old.
I made a mistake. I forgot that Colin has been
lying about his age for years. He's actually sixty eight
years old. He just looks really good for sixty eight.
It's a he's a young sixty eight. Botox is amazing,

(41:00):
really amazing. That was the mood. L all right, Collins
really is cyboard. That's what he is. Caller to return Monday,
and I guarantee if Lebron comes, he's gonna say that's
what he was doing this past right Listen, I'm not

(41:20):
gonna try and brag here, but I'm kind of big
in sports. I brought Lebron with me. I was on vacation.
Lebron was in on vacation. Lebron just happens to arrive
in l A any more any other questions? All right?
We we told Duane Wade. We told Dwyane Wade to

(41:40):
go get Paul George and I went and got Lebron
James and then Kwi Leonard. He's coming anyway, so it
doesn't really matter, right quiet Leonards basically mute. Anyway. We
just signed language signed to him to come to l
A and he nodded, okay. He gave the gay thing
with his fingers. I do love the the Kawhi Leonard.

(42:04):
His uncle is upset because when they re up to
shoe deal, wasn't a big wasn't a big boon money wise? Like, Look,
we could say it's because of san Antonio, and san
Antonio is kind of boring, but it should be pointed
out that Kawhi Leonard is really boring. Like I think
Kawhi le Nord is great, not good great. I'm going
to say, third best player in the NBA plays both ends,

(42:26):
can post up, can hail the ball, become a much
much better shooter than I think anybody thought possible, and
can guard all those positions. But if you think playing
in San Antonio is the only reason that he got
short change in his shoe deal, come on, there's a
personality in there. No, there's not. It's okay, Like, we

(42:51):
don't all have to have big personalities. We don't all
have to have, you know, cameras in front of us
to be comfortable and be a salesman. No, no, no,
I know you are. Nonetheless, it does, uh, there's uh,
there's a lot of stories out there. This one is great.
San Antonio has informed teams it preferred target in any

(43:14):
than any a Kawhi Leonard trade the Celtics is Jason Tatum.
Teams have noted this is likely a negotiation tactic. Widely
believed in league circles that Boston is more likely to
propose a deal center on Kyrie Irving and future picks,
but based upon previous behavior, the Celtics are unlikely to
overpay for Leonard. I've talked to his Celtics source and
the like. We're not trading Kyrie and we're not trading

(43:34):
Jayson Tatum. What else you got? Philadelphia's internal discussions have
focused on potential trade packages offering various young players and
future draft selections. One team source says preliminary discussions with
San Antonio revealed the Spurs have a strong interest in
the package of burging forwards Dario Sarich Robert Covington, as

(43:55):
well as future first round picks. A potential more serious
offer Philadelphia's weighing internally includes Sorry Covington and the two
thousand twenty one Miami Heat unprotected first round pick the
Celtics obtained in their Draft night deal with the Phoenix Suns.
Like two thousand twenty one? What like? Are like, we

(44:19):
don't know what the age restriction is going to be,
We don't know what the draft is gonna look like.
We don't know if the Miami Heat are going to
be any good by that. That is betting up. I'll
tell you what, the Miami Heat are gonna be terrible
in two thousand twenty one. Let's gobble up that pick.
We don't even know if we're gonna have a lottery
system by that. Now do they change the lottery deal

(44:39):
in one offseason. They're gonna change it again at some point.
I mean that is the use of that is trusting
the process to the nth degree. I mean, if you
can tell me what's gonna happen in two thousand twenty one,
I need you to buy some stocks for me right now,
right because because all of these same people I'm are

(45:00):
you thought you know two years ago Donald Trump is
gonna be president, right, Oh yeah, I saw that one coming.
Cubs are gonna break the curse, the Celtics are gonna
have the best young town in the NBA. And oh yeah,
by the way, the Calves are gonna come back from
three one down. You could have told me that any
of these things two years in advance, three years in advance,

(45:22):
I can tell you this that Heat are gonna be
crumbing two thousand one. Okay, good, good to know. Noted,
Sometimes we gotta do business with unsavory types, right, you
just do. Sometimes you gotta do business with unsavory types.
I mean really, that's the reason that so many of
these apps apps now have taken place of of buying

(45:45):
tickets from a scalper, right, because he's just even if
the scalper is a regular looking dude. You're like, hey,
he's still a scalper, but now you picked the secondary ticket.
Marquez has been come like a legitimate business enterprise where
it always used to be. You go to the corner,
a guy who had held up a sign said, I
need two tickets. By the way, trying to explain to

(46:08):
somebody who doesn't understand why they hold up as signs
as I need two tickets, why they actually don't need
two tickets is a great And that's like an Abbott
and Costello who's on first conversation, Why does he have
a sign up says I need two tickets? Well, he
doesn't actually need two tickets. He wants to sell you
two tickets, so why doesn't he have it? Signs says up,
I want to sell you two tickets. You gotta understand

(46:30):
how the laws are written against scalping, and it's just
kind of the thing we all do. That's that makes
no sense. It makes total sense if you've ever been
to a ball game before. Anyway, I was thinking about
breaking bad. And Ryan Music is my producer. He he's
like me. Everyone tells him you gotta do Game of Thrones.
God have you done Game of Thrones. I've not done Game.

(46:51):
We've done Sans Sons of Anarchy, I have not done either.
I can't have a conversation with you until you you
watch those two What are you doing? What do you
what do you even watch? But you watch those like
HDTV shows? Yeah? Sorry, house Hunters International, which I mean
now I always pick out the worst places in House

(47:11):
Hunters in the national. Yeah. We thought we were gonna
live on like four dollars and turns out like five
thousand dollars and it's but we're gonna do it. Just
We're gonna just do it. Uh. I was. I was
that guy with Breaking Bad. I was to be a
long time. And I want to point this out. I
think Breaking Bad is awesome. It is not the best

(47:32):
television show ever. What it might be is might have
the best premise of a television show ever. Colin says
this all the time, and he's right. I'm doug out
living for Colin. By the way, this is the Herd
on Fox Sports Radio. Says it all times. If you can,
if you tell me what it is in two sentences,
and I like it, you got yourself a show, right,

(47:53):
two or three sentences? Can you tell me what it is?
And breaking bad chemistry teacher has cancer sells meth to
pay for his cancer treatment, like I'm in And what
a great premise, all right, what an incredible like Wow,
becomes the world's most renowned meth chef because of his

(48:16):
background as a chemistry teacher that he initially used. He
initially got into because he wanted to pay for cancer
treatment and he couldn't afford to do so. Otherwise, amazing, right,
really amazing. I don't think it's the best it's the
best TV show ever. I don't Cheers is the best

(48:37):
TV show ever, sure where, but I think the premise
of it is amazing. And here's the thing. I don't
think Walter White wanted to sell meth. That's part of
the the He did have this internal evil side which
ultimately comes out right. It's the opposite of Better Call Saul,

(48:57):
which is the spin off, the prequel to it, to
which Saul is a bad guy that some somehow kind
of becomes a good guy. Walter White. It's a good
guy that becomes a bad guy. It's amazing. The point is,
I don't think he really wanted to, but in order
to get everything paid for all cash is what you
have to do. And then if you're gonna sell meth,

(49:17):
you don't want to sell to the cartel, but you're
gonna sell it yourself. You gonna put yourself out in
the front line. We saw how that worked out. The
Spurs don't want to deal to the Lakers. They don't,
I mean, do they want to give the Lakers Kawai Leonard.
If they do, you give them Lakers Kawhi learned in anything,

(49:37):
and you let them keep anything that they have, it
would be assumed you're giving them a shot at an
NBA title. And and while the Spurs have been the
picture of consistency, the Lakers have been a laughing stock.
We're talking five years now between the end of like
look the Spurs laugh at the idea. Kobe Bryant had

(49:59):
one of the most incredib noble last games. He He
basically was Derek Jeter, right, Derek Jeter goes five for
five and his last game is Yankee. Kobe Bryant is
sixty in his last game. I mean, I don't care
how hard you think somebody's playing. To have sixty in
an NBA game period is superhuman. To do it when
you got a bad achilles, a bad knee and it's
your last NBA game and everybody's and you you dropped sixty.

(50:22):
It was insane. But the Spurs are sitting over there laughing, like, yeah,
they're celebrating Kobe going for sixty in a meaningless game. Meanwhile,
we're preparing to try and get an NBA championship. They
can't get high quality free agents. We get LaMarcus Al
Drech whenever we wanted one, and we already had a center.
We had Tim Duncan. We got his Arab parents. So

(50:44):
the so the Spurs, they take great joy in the
downfall of the Lakers as much as you could, as
much as I mean, you can point to the Lakers.
We're between the Spurs and winning back to back championship.
Remember the Spurs, many people don't insider myself include you
can't consider them a dynasty because they never went back
to back titles. Every other dynasty in NBA history has

(51:07):
won back to back titles, the exception of the Spurs. Now,
the Spurs should have beaten Lebron the first time around.
When the misfree throws uh, they should have done a
better job of defending uh, you know, you know, defending
the late game situation, Derek Fisher hitting that ball fish
ball fish ball fishy fish net point four seconds to go.

(51:31):
I mean, but the Spurs. The Lakers stood in between
the Spurs and being seen as the greatest modern day
dynasty in NBA history is a fifteen and twenty year run.
It's really amazing. They don't want to, but Kauai wants
to be there. Everybody knows Caui wants to be there.
That hurts his value elsewhere. Only has one year left

(51:52):
in his deal, so even if you get him, you
get basically nine months to convince him that no, no,
he's wrong. He doesn't want to be in l A
And oh yeah, by the way, the Lakers actually has
some really good pieces to offer, not just first round picks,
but it some young players like this is a deal
with the devil that you probably gotta make. This is
the Walter White decision. I've always done things the right way,

(52:19):
but I'm gonna swallow heart and cook some meth in
an RV somewhere outside of Albuquerque, New Mexico. I'm gonna
sell it for you know, with the intention of paying
off my cancer treatments, which is the bizarre comparison. San
Antonio Spurs loading themselves up for a future run. You

(52:39):
got de jont Murray. They believe their point guard of
the future LaMarcus Altras. They've gotten way more out of
him than anyone could have thought possible a year ago
when he wanted out draft picks, young players, great talent evaluation.
The Spurs will be solid until they land their next star,
which they have in the past, whether it's in international
one like Genoblee or Parker or domestic one. I know

(53:03):
that Tim Duncan comes from the Islands, but he's still
played in the States. Even quiet letter to Draft day
trade fifteenth pick in the draft, They've been able to
evaluate better than anybody. They don't want to, but they
have to. They have to. Karen Butler joins the show
upcoming next uh Tough. Juice is not only an analyst

(53:26):
for US Fox Sports, he also does work with with
the ESPN. He's he a turner. He does was that
players only. He works for everybody, and he knows everybody
in the league. He does Spectrum Sports, Nate is Lakers stuff.
I'm just gonna ask him what he thinks happens. You
know what what the players of the NBA thinks happens

(53:49):
with Lebron James. And if he's coming, who's coming with him?
And if he's not coming, does everybody stay? Karen Butler,
NBA champion, Fox Sport Radio joining us up coming next.
H M. Golimen for Colin is the Herd on Fox

(54:51):
Sports Radio, trying to still put things together right like
I will, I will commend the NBA on this for
the most part, for the most part, there's been no
there's been no leaks. Now, yeah, you see Paul George
go and visit Dwyane Wade, and I make the assumption
you go and talk to Dwyane Wade, not because you

(55:13):
want advice on what to do, but you want advice
on what it's like to play with Lebron James. Right,
let's welcome in Karen Butler, who of course won NBA Championship.
He works for Turner. He works for Fox Sports Radio
on the weekend's Christ and Karen Great Show. He can't
catch it, download the podcast. He always has some incredible
star guest on every week. He also worked for the
folks at ESPN cover in the n B A UH

(55:35):
tough juice as of today, what do you think happens? Yeah,
I still think Lebron leaves. I don't think you signs
on one in and one out or any bill like that,
or any situation like that. I think that he's trying
to survey the market, look at the landscape of things,
and you know, find a parent partner to come there

(55:55):
to Los Angeles with or or being a winning situation.
The guy has a lot of great basketball left in him,
and he wants to win, and he wants to win now.
And I think they're capped out there, you know, with
the Cleveland Cavaliers. All right, So let's start with Paul George,
who's all it's always been assumed that he would be
the most likely guy to join him. We're hearing, We're hearing. Hey,

(56:18):
Russ has done a great job. They work out together,
they become really close. He likes the organization, He liked
playing there, even though it didn't end end well, which
which is building hope that he'll return. On the other hand,
I'm watching his documentary and he goes and talks with
Dwayne Wade. You wouldn't go and talk with Dwayne Wade
unless you want to know what it was like to
play with lebron right. So you know, do you think

(56:40):
anything has changed in terms of the plans for him? Yeah,
you know what, I think you have to still cover
all basis. I mean you you you got a lot
of money on the table. I think listen upwards of
forty million dollars on that fifth year that you know,
the Oklahoma City Thunder can offer him. So that's something significant.
And you have to look at the time frame and

(57:00):
you know the body of you know, Paul George's career.
He was traded to Okay. See he was in a
rental in that situation. Uh, he had a devastating injury
which we all remember playing with the Olympic team. So
this is a this is a great time to him
and his family to uh, you know have non generational riches,
but generational wealth. And two hundred plus million dollars is

(57:21):
a large, large number. And that's if you mean so much.
So he just you know, crossing his teas dott in
his eyes, going during his due diligence, then finding out
like what's the best situation for him and his family
going forward, because this is a huge situation, a huge decision,
but when I hear your voice, though, do you feel
like he's still going to l A Yeah, you know what,

(57:42):
I feel like it's fifty fifty. And before if you
would have asked me this last summer, when he went
into this process of joining that big three in Karmelo
Anthony and Russell Westbrook, I would have told you, hey, man, look,
they got a one year rental out of this kid,
and he's going to Los Angeles afterwards. That's just what
it is, love Chucks and palm trees. But now you
look at the situation, it's like, man, you really don't know.

(58:06):
You really don't know. Was Russell Westbrook enough to draw
him in? I know they have a great friendship away
from the game of basketball, and they depend on each
other on and off the court. So there's one of
those situations where I'm like, yo, it's a fifty that
he possibly stayed with. Okay, See, I was watching the
mn playoffs. It struck me. Did the Thunder get beaten

(58:28):
in the first round in six games by the Utah Jazz?
Like that did happen? Right? Like? I understand if you
tell Dwayne Way, do you want to win championships and
the Thunder don't really have the ability to add any pieces.
Kameno Anthony's coming back for another year. How's it about
championships when you remain with the team that lost in
the first round to the Jazz in six games. I

(58:48):
think the main reason he met with the Wayne Way
it was just about the sacrifices and you know, the
attention that comes with playing with a guy like Lebron
James and the expectations. You know, you see it all
the time. You know, the super stars are gonna get
praise and then the others are gonna get the others treatment,
and you know, you want to be awarded significantly from
a financial standpoint and maximized that space of playing with

(59:10):
a superstar like that because he is the NBA carrot
the faith of the NBA for you know, almost eight
to ten years now solely. So with that being said,
you know, I think that's the main reason he met
with Dwayne Wade, and he's probably gonna meet with others
and as you've seen as the documentary and the series
goes on. But look, they had a they had a
relatively solid year. You know, guys still was trying to

(59:33):
find their role in Okay, see, but he did an
amazing job. You know, had his playoff Pea moment. You know,
he had some highlight moments. And most importantly, Paul George
don't seemed like the guy that you know does well
with all the criticism being directed at him. And therefore,
you know, Russell Westbrook was the shield. He was the
bulletproof shield to you know, get all that criticism and

(59:53):
you know, Paul George and kind of just go about
his way, played defense for twenty points half, I rebind
else have five assist and this be a second secondary
superstar on this ball club. All right, let's get to
Kawai Leonard. Uh. This is a game of chicken right
between the Spurs and the Lakers. The Spurs are sitting
there going like, hey, you guys gotta pay what you're

(01:00:14):
in our conference. You know, we can trade him wherever
we want and maybe maybe another Paul George happens where
you think you're only gonna get him for a year
and he never ends up coming to you. Meanwhile, the
Lakers are sitting there going, wait, there's not value. Everybody
else doesn't value him like we value him because he
doesn't want to stay in Boston. He don't want to
stay in Philadelphia. He don't want to go any of
those those places. He wants to come here. He's gonna

(01:00:35):
come here. Nobody's gonna want to give you top dollar
for a rental. Look how that worked. Look how that
I mean, look at the work for indie. Indie end
up end up getting a great deal out of it. Um.
So the question becomes, do you think ultimately that deal
gets done. I just don't think it happens because you're
asking for so much. You know, um Kawhi Leonard is

(01:00:56):
one of the top five players in this game of
basketball when healthy to way guy gets to the finals, MVP,
NBA Champion, you know the rest. And I think he's
the only guy in this league that can offset some
of the superstars and Lebron James and Kevin Durant. And
what I mean by that is that he's going to
slow them down. He definitely slows them down and offensively,
he goes back at those guys. So when you're talking

(01:01:18):
about gutting, possibly gutting the Lakers roster took completion to
get one player that's given up a ton. You know,
I heard rumors out there that it was brandon Ingram
with a possible pick and then heard rumors. You know
that that was false, but best believe where it smokes,
there there is fire, and you know you can't just
give up so much because if you do this organically,

(01:01:42):
these young guys are gonna be special going forward. You know,
two years from now, you're gonna be talking about while
Brandon Ingle potentially All Star, Pernial All Star, Kuzma is
still in the draft, Perennial All Star, Alonzo has unlimited
potential and now he's starting to tap into that. He's
working hard and is all season. I'm here, so you
know that's three guys that you know have no selings

(01:02:04):
from a potential standpoint. Alright, so best guests. As a
Friday's Friday, It's ten thirty on the West Coast. Okay,
we are not holding to you this. You're not you're
not reporting it. You're just Corn Butler, NBA Champion, Media
Media magnate me to superstar. Okay, at this point in time,
what do you think ultimately happens when the dust settles.

(01:02:25):
When the dust settles, I think that Lebron will be
in the Laker uniform and I don't know if he's
coming with a counterparty or anything like that. But I
do feel like he'll be in the Laker uniform. I
think that, you know, it's layers to every NBA career,
and I think that the seasons to every NBA career,
and you know, you go through the winter, you go

(01:02:45):
through the fall, and then obviously the summer, and you know,
not in that particular order. But I think Lebron is
on the back end. His career is still performing at
a high level, show no signs of declining, and life
at the basketball is something that you have to think
about and you have to think about to your your
your family lifestyle and you know, how do you want
that to be and making the sceneless transition into whatever

(01:03:06):
space that you're making in because it's he walks in
life that he can kind of just embody. The entertainment
thing seems to be one, you know, with space jam
To the trailer is gonna be released shortly after he
makes the decision. He has his own platform with Uninterrupted
Media platform, he has spring Hill Entertainment with you know,
making movies and documentaries that's so impactful and powerful and

(01:03:29):
moving the culture. So I think Los Angeles is the
perfect market for him to connect the dots and continue
to move that whole UH brand forward, and I think
that's why he landed Los Angeles. Karan Butler Tough to Use.
Check him out on the weekends Chris and Karan's now
standing show. Also download the podcast farm on Instagram if

(01:03:50):
you want to see some of the interviews that they
have as well. Tough Juse, thanks so much for joining
us NBA champion Karan Butler. Let's get to newsman in
music turn the this is the herd Line news. While
Doug listening to that interview there with Karen Butler, I

(01:04:12):
couldn't help, but wonder, do you guys know what the
secret is to landing Lebron James. No, the answer to
that would be food, at least according to your good
friend Rick Buker. I know you had him on the
show earlier this week with he is a big foodie.
We have him on our show regularly on Fox Sports Radio.

(01:04:35):
He wrote a fun piece in the Bleacher Report where
he went around asking several people who are close to
Lebron about some of if they were to approach Lebron
with a recruiting pitch. And we know Lebron, you know
leaked out earlier this week that he's not necessarily into
elaborate pitches this time around. But if you were to

(01:04:55):
get a recruitment dinner with Lebron James, what type of
advice with these people who were close to Lebron give
to someone hosting this dinner. Okay, the first thing is
he's a big wine guy, really glass of wine. Yes,
he does like wine, and they did mention that, but
those that wasn't even a large part of the story

(01:05:15):
because what they were talking about was the wine goes
with the food, right, no question. So you have to
figure out the food first, then you can sort of
narrow down what the wine is afterwards. So what foods?
So here were some of the takeaways. He loves waffles
and he loves sweet potato fries. But those two things

(01:05:36):
are not formal enough. So the advice they were given
absolutely not true. But okay, go ahead. But yeah, so
that was the advice was, look, these are some of
the things he really likes. So if you're doing your research,
you may hear this is what he likes, but I
wouldn't go that direction because it's not formal enough for
the recruitment dinner. Um Italian food is always a safe bet.

(01:05:57):
But what Italian food is such a bland like spaghetti?
Does he like uh, you know, and does he like
see Italian seafood? Right? Like North End of Boston has
incredible Italian food. A lot of it is seafood. If
you're not in the seafood, you're not as much into
the North End of Boston terms of Italian food. Well
here's uh, let me, let me lead you into this. Then, uh,
what you have to do in order to impress Lebron

(01:06:19):
James is whatever restaurant you take him to, you have
to have the chef prepare food that is not on
the menu of gotta go off menu. But then he's now,
this is an l A guy. This is an l
A guy. Like he's not that's of Cleveland thing. That's
an l A thing. Come on, dude, that's an l
A thing. Let's go one let's go one step further

(01:06:40):
than this, dug. You don't just go off menu. But
someone was also quoted as saying you have to be
able to prepare food and get food that is usually
hard to come by and actually available here in the
United States. So you have to go off menu and
fly the food in from Foreign Land. Do you remember

(01:07:01):
the movie Get Shorty right and find no clue You've
never seen? Get Shorty made into a TV show as well. Uh,
Get Shorty word and Danny DeVito plays like this. I
think it was supposed to be like a Richard Tryfus
sort of character, but basically it's a lot of It
is a spoof on on Hollywood types where he goes
to a restaurant. He goes to a famous restaurant um

(01:07:24):
in l A and he orders everything off menu and
then he takes he doesn't even eat it, and then
he leaves. That's exactly what he does. So yeah, that
that strikes It strikes me as annoying. Um. What I
like to do with a restaurant is say like, look,
I've never been here before. One meal, you're gonna eat
before you die? What is it? Okay? And there you go,

(01:07:47):
there's your meal. Uh. And then last little too to
take aways from this was the other important thing is
he likes to sample desserts, so you have to have
three or four desserts available at the end of the meal.
So like that. I like that. That's a good that's
a group thing, right, bring a bunch of desserts, just
have one scoop of beach. And lastly, and and maybe
most importantly, a powerful dinner guest can go a long way.

(01:08:08):
People like Warren Buffett, the dolly Llama or and I'm
not even gonna try to pronounce his last name, but
a twenty seven year old chess master from Norway. These
were some of the suggestions given. Lebron likes us surround himself.
I always feel like bugs pulling our leg on this.
He's just like Warren Buffett. I just got out on

(01:08:30):
a plane from Omaha. They pay me a hunter grand
to come here, and now go and turn around and
go right back home. Warren Buffett would do nothing for
a hundred grand? Are you kidding me? I will tell
you that's like, hey, Doug, can you come talk to
my friend for a dollar? Doing doing the doing the opposite?
Doing the opposite is also not a good player, right like, Hey, look,
we know everybody els gonna throw some stuff. We're just

(01:08:51):
gonna have sandwiches cracked, some cold beers. But down that
actually is not a bad play, right like, Look, we're
gonna go grab some fat burgers, some Tommy burgers still,
and we're gonna get some get we'll stop. We'll get
some modelos, some limes. Jimmy, you cut up the limes.
All right, we'll meet you down. We'll go down. We're
gonna go sit on a lifeguard stand and we're just
talking about life like I do that. They take Lebron

(01:09:15):
down the beach Comber in Corona, l Mar. All right,
play could come down there, they get some beers, they
get some food, or even go up to Ruby Rubies,
which is up overlooking the water. You can if you
can make a deal over a burger and a beer
over or a taco stand, right not what's more l
a than a taco stands? But I almost feel like

(01:09:35):
Bukes pulling on life. Somebody's gonna do that. By the way,
somebody's gonna show up with like a world renowned chef,
unbelievable menu flock, like some gonna release dubs, some sort
of crazy stuff, and he's gonna have an enjoyable dinner
and he's gonna go. The only way you can guarantee
getting Lebron James is if you provide that dinner and

(01:09:56):
you have Warren Buffett cooking, then you can get Lebron James.
Can you cook yeah. I wouldn't say like I'm a
great cook, but I definitely can cook for myself and
took a decent meal. Yeah, definitely. All right, let's turn
our attention to the New York Knicks and a little
bit different here. Earlier we talked about whether or not

(01:10:19):
James Dolan is laying the groundwork to sell the team. Well.
Given today's NBA, where players are always trying to take
control of their future, such as Lebron James, Kevin Durant
or force a trade kind of like Kyrie or Kauai,
teams have wondered if Chris Stops Porzingis is the next
player to force his way off of a team, given
his old relationship with Phil Jackson, James Dolan sort of

(01:10:42):
the Rocky Foundations start to his early career. However, Nick
fans take a deep breath. Knick's president Steve Mills told
Stephen A. Smith when asked, are you worried about losing Porzingis?
He said, no, We've worked really hard on rebuilding that relationship.
You buying this? You think every thing is good in
New York Land with Porzingis? Yes, yes, I'm like, look,

(01:11:04):
Christops persingis faded. The first couple of seasons, Uh, down
the stretch, whether it's from fatigue, his body wearing out,
and then he tore his a c L and he's
still the King of New York. So he's never gotten
any sort of criticism. UM and having when you can
escape criticism being in New York this long, you don't
have any kind of negative baggage. I do think they're
putting themselves in position to be free agency players next

(01:11:26):
off season. The next offseason is gonna be a huge
allotment of NBA players who want to make up. Let's
see what they do. I don't think he's going anywhere,
and I do think that after next summer, the NBA
is gonna put some protections in to keep players with
their current teams. So if the Knicks can lock up
some some good young talent, then I think he likely

(01:11:47):
won't be able to leave. Normally want to leave the
last one here, Doug, Let's turn our attention to the NFL.
UH Sae Kwon Barkley. You might have seen earlier in
the week he posted on Instagram about buying his parents
a new house. I'm not sure if you saw that,
but the interesting thing is yesterday he was asked about
it at an event, and he told reporters that he

(01:12:07):
paid for the home using only money made off of
his endorsements, and his goal is to actually never spend
any of his contract money that he gets from the NFL. Yeah,
he said, quote, I want to follow the Marshawn Lynch method.
I don't want to touch that. I want to invest it,
put it in the right people's hands and learn as
I continue to make investments and just live off of

(01:12:30):
the endorsement deals. Like you said, Gronk is another player
who does this. It's look, it's it's genius. If you
have the ability to do that right, you have the
ability to live off your endorsements and have the rest
of stuff kind of go away and never see it
and never have to worry about, you know, like the
rest of us. When you take out money, do you
get the balance update? I do you the balance update
when you take money out? No? You don't. No, But

(01:12:51):
I mean you're a father and you have kids and
a wife and far more complex financial so I don't know.
I don't know the exact like what what's going where
and where it's going. My wife handles off where my
money goes unless I understand, but you don't get the
balance update. No, I'm stunned by that. I would have
thought that guys that make that don't make as much money,

(01:13:13):
that aren't as old that you're constantly worried about, how
should I be taking this money out? Oh, I only
have haveevery much money in my account. Well, I feel
like I just put everything on my credit card anyway,
So I'm not so do you ever concern yourself with
how much somebody regularly check what my running balances on
the credit cards? I just can't imagine these guys being
smart enough at that young of age too to understand

(01:13:35):
this concept and to be financially that adept and never
they'll never have to look at a credit card statement
or a bank balance ever. If they're doing it the
right way, we'll see. But isn't that the point is that,
like the NFL, players are always asking to get leverage
back from the owners, and these c b A s
and not granted people A lot of players, almost all

(01:13:56):
players are not as popular as Gronk or Marshawn Lanch
or say Quon Barkley to only live off their endorsements.
But isn't the fact that these guys need to save money,
so they can actually use a holdout as real leverage
to sort of get you know, all of these guaranteed
contracts or all the stuff that they're always asking, Yes,
if you want to know, like in in the in
the real talk of the NFL last time around, the

(01:14:17):
collected bart In agreements and they had the lockout. NFL
players were a week ago, the owners were a week
away from canceling preseason games, which makes them a lot
of money. But NFL players had to give in. He
didn't sign a good deal is bad deal and the
next deal is gonna be a bad deal because they
won't miss they can't miss a paycheck. There's just we're
talking about a handful of guys that have the wherewithal

(01:14:37):
and the ability to not live above their means and
not deal without having a paycheck. Uh, this is the exception,
not the rule. Yes, if they were all great in
great financial shape, then they can hold out and they
could drive it to you, stick it to the owners,
and they could get longer guaranteed contracts. They won't. They
don't And say Kwan Barkley and Marshawn Lynch and Rob

(01:14:58):
Gronkowski are the exceptions not the role. Well, that's the
news and the Herd line. Jamie Winston has suspended the
first three games of next season, a confusing message sent
by the NFL to the NFL's players. But does that
message make more sense when you take a breath and

(01:15:18):
dive in. We'll discuss next in the Herd. Pro customers

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credit approval. US owned. So buried amongst the non stories
that we're tracking about Lebron James and Paul George Kauai

(01:16:00):
Leonard is a real story with Jamis Winston. Two years
ago in the off season. He was in Arizona and
this March of sixteen and there was the Uber ride
that went bad. Girl Girl was a driver Uber driver
complained on Uber and he got his Uber count basically
can't he can't use Uber anymore, can't use Uber anymore,

(01:16:23):
so he uses Lift. Sorry it's not really sing it anyway. Um.
And it was a very very strange story because at
first the story came out and you're like, man, Jamis
Winston you know, groping a girl. How could you be
so dumb? I could be sit down, regardless of what
did or did not happen at Florida State with the

(01:16:46):
girl with the crab legs with the internet meme, regardless
of that, like you gotta be smart in that. And
then there was the way she's got it all wrong.
It wasn't Jamis Winston. It as the third guy in
the car. One of his buddies came to the defense.
The third guy was not named. But that's I think
what we all believe. Right. Turns out that Jameis Winston,

(01:17:11):
at least for a portion of time, was alone in
that car and now has admitted to doing something. Remember
he wrote an apology that we talked about yesterday. First
and foremost, I would like to say, I'm sorry to
the Uber driver for the position I put you in.
It is uncharacteristic of me, and I genuinely apologize. But
according to NFL dot COM's Tom Pelisaro, Winston refuted refused

(01:17:33):
to apologize for anything specifics, such as inappropriately touching the
Uber driver because he doesn't believe any touching actually happened
as it was alleged. And then he asked the question,
if you didn't think it happened, why are you not
appealing the suspension again. This is according to the NFL
dot Com, Winston couldn't be sure nothing happened because he
was drinking heavily that night of the alleged incident and

(01:17:54):
couldn't clearly remember uh the events. So the NFL newciated
settlement with the Buccaneers quarterback that involved the three game suspension,
WinCE WinCE Uh. Winston had no promise, had to promise
not to appeal it. Under the settlement, Winston wouldn't admit guilt,
but he would have to admit that he was drinking,
which something he has apparently given up. So look, this

(01:18:18):
has caused an outcry from a lot of former NFL players,
some current NFL guys, and some pundits like, hey, it's
supposed to be a six game suspension suspension anytime there's
any sort of domestic instant. The Josh Brown had the
one game thing, he gets three games, Tom Brady gets
four games. For gets four games, four games for deflating football's. Um. Now,

(01:18:46):
some one of the reasons Tom Brady got four games
for deflating footballs was he wasn't willing to either admit
guilt or accept any sort of settlement like this. We
have to remember this is when you get caught, when
you get arrested for a crime. Oftentimes the newspaper put it, well,
he could be sentenced from a year to twenty years
in jail, and the guy ends up getting probation, Like yeah,

(01:19:07):
what is the deal there? Like, well, when your first
time offender, that's what happens. Jamis Winston's not being suspended
because they have any proof of what the young woman's
what the woman said, they have proof that the guy's dope.
They keep putting himself in these situations to which at
some point you know it's it's going to ruin your

(01:19:30):
completely ruin your career. And I I in many ways
I feel for Jamie's from this perspective. If you really
did nothing wrong with the woman at Florida State, then
all the rest can be dismissed as just immaturity, right,
Like the first thing he got in trouble for at

(01:19:51):
Florida State was a bb gun fight. And oh yeah,
by the way, he he didn't want to pay for
a refillable coke, so he got a water cup and
kept refilling it even though they told him not to.
My guy, I gotta be honest, I've done that ten
times over and now I have to be the parent
that tells that my kid, Hey, we can't do that.
We're blaze pizza and my kids like I got them

(01:20:13):
all water cups and I want legitim me wanted to
have them drink water, and they're all getting lemonade. I
was like, yeah, we didn't pay for that. You can't
do that, litten. Do you want me to dump it out?
Well no, no, no, let's not do it again. Um.
If you read what's alleged to have happened, you would

(01:20:33):
say three games is a bit excessive. If you know
about his background, you would say three games is just
about uh is is not is not enough? And so
combining those two not having proof, three games becomes a
lot because it gives lidity to anything he's ever been
accused of in the past. Where's Lebron going, Where's Paul

(01:20:57):
George going? Where's Kauaigan? To end up, we continue that
tocussion next in the Hurt. What welcome into this is
learn wherever you may be listening, how or may you
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(01:21:19):
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(01:21:39):
filling in for Colin Calhard. Colin will be back on Monday.
I want to talk some super teams and whether or
not we really like this thing, right, Like we all
say what like you're supposed to say we'd like it?
But do we really like it? And I do think
there's more at stake here than just the super team.
Here's what we know as of now. Lebron's opted out,

(01:22:00):
so he's a free agent. This is not a surprise,
but it was made you know, Twitter official earlier today.
Nothing's official until it's Twitter official. It's like with relationships,
nothing's official until you switch your your status on Facebook.
So Lebron has opted out. We don't know on Paul George,

(01:22:20):
but Paul George's you know Paul George did. He opted
out as well, right, So Paul George can opt out,
so both are free to leave and sign with other teams,
But that does not mean they can't re sign with
their current team. They can't sign a one plus one
to two plus one whatever. They can sign other deals
and remain with their current teams. Kawhile Leonard has not

(01:22:40):
been traded, but the Spurs are at least open to
the possibility of that relationship ending, and they're trying to
They're trying to get somebody to overpay for arguably the
third best player in the NBA, but a guy with
this one year left in this deal, and someone who
told the Spurs to their faces, I'm out and I
like to play for the Lakers. So that that's what

(01:23:03):
we know. Uh, Paul George, what we've heard is Paul
George is considering staying because of his close ties to
Russell Westbrook. Well, he liked the organization. Apparently he did
not watch Game six yet that he played in in Utah.
He's just remembering Game five and his playoff Paul moment.

(01:23:27):
So Paul George considering stay in Oaklahoma City. On the
other hand, he also visited Dwyane Wade in Abiza asking
for some advice. What would he be asking advice about
Lebron James On vacation. He I ged out jumping off
a cliff, and one of his sons, Brawnie, also jumping
off a cliff. So whatever level of engagement doesn't change

(01:23:47):
because he's on vacation. But he is in fact on vacation.
And we've heard as much from Kawaie Leonard as we
usually hear from Kawhi Leonard, which is nothing. We just
know that the Lakers want he wants to be a Laker,
and maybe the Celtics want them, although the Celtics they
would love to trade for an NBA star and pay
less than whatever the going raid is. That's what we know.

(01:24:11):
What do we think that's might be more interesting? Let's
welcome in a good friend of mine, good friend of
Collins as well. He's got his own podcast. It's a
really good one. When he's had his own national radio show,
it's been outstanding. He's Ryan Solo. He joins us here
in the Herd on Fox Sports Radio. Um, did I
miss anything in terms of what we what we think
as of right now? No, that was really good. I

(01:24:34):
forgot I was coming on as the guests there for
a second. No, no, no, that way like that was
really good. I was laughing about the game six jokes
because I felt the same way about what's brook in
that game. But the Paul George thing, like and I
know that we're supposed to pronounce it differently now, but
I'm just not going to do that. Um how are
we supposed to announce it? Wait? You no tell me.
I honestly don't know. I think cool people say abisa, Abisa, Yeah, Abisa.

(01:24:59):
That was like, but he thought like, yeah with with
a th th who's the golfer like that? What's the
guy with the with the ponytail? Who amena? Yeah? Yeah
yeah amnute, I just did it again. Yeah alright, alright,
so if it's a bitha, then we also have to say,

(01:25:20):
you know, scores are nil and uh you know, we
have to use other pretence anyway. Okay, so I totally
interrupt your flow. I apologize. No, No, I just think
it's funny, like Paul Georgia staying with Okay, see, um,
he has this five part sports center thing that he's doing,
So they were probably like, look, we can't just not
do anything here, you know, like you're gonna have to

(01:25:42):
go visit somebody so we get some footage. Uh if
he's not going to leave as a free agent. That's
not as nearly exciting television. So let's start with the
Lebron thing. Um didn't didn't stay with Cleveland, the opt out.
We knew that was gonna happen, knew that was gonna
happen this week. And now you're left with if Cleveland
isn't play becauld they have done anything? Do they know
of any deals they can do to improve that team?

(01:26:03):
Because I had a hard time believing that Lebron would
go back to Cleveland if nothing had changed, but I
had never ruled Cleveland out. I still think it's l A,
Cleveland and Philadelphia. Now. The l A part of this
is really weird because it's sent the sense is Doug
that more and more people are like, you know, George
might just do a one in one here for a
two year deal and then hit the market again when
he has more service time and get an even bigger contract,

(01:26:25):
which seems so weird, not because the money part, but
just him not going to l A. When he told
the Pacers this whole soccer starter who were two years ago,
when he told the Pacers, hey, man, like, whatever you
guys want to do, But I'm going to l A.
And now he's gonna stay in Oklahoma City. So if
George is out in l A and the Spurs Kaua
I think has selled up with the Lakers. I can't
fathom that Lebron would go to the Lakers by himself.

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That's again if Cleveland hasn't improved itself. But I'd like
that would be as unlikely of any of these scenarios
for get to trade the different things like Lebron going
to play with that young core with no certainty of
any other start joining him. I still can't fathom if
that would happen. But you know, I'm kind of at
a loss year as it seems like lest guys are
moving around. Yeah, I got offered this as a different perspective.

(01:27:10):
Um didn't he enjoy playing with the younger guys in
the regular season once they made that trade? Like, you
still want people, You still want to walk in the
building and be like, oh hey, Lebron, lebron, Lebronze, Lebronze
here right. Like I understand in the playoffs order win big,
you have to have some experience. But if we we
look at Miami, he didn't win his first year we
look in Cleveland. He didn't win his first year that

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he got to the finals in both of those years.
UM couldn't just sell him on, Hey dude, why don't
you just come? If you come, Paul's probably coming, Kauai
is definitely coming. But more than anything, like, spend a year,
get to know all of us, get to know the
young pieces. See guys you like, see guys you don't like.
You're not gonna win this year anyway. Next year is
the year in which you can pick and choose if

(01:27:51):
you don't love those guys, like maybe get Clay you could,
you know, Jimmy Butler. You can pick from wherever you want.
I want to just come, like if and if you were,
by the way, if you staying in Cleveland. He's had
all season to figure out a way to stay in Cleveland,
to get a deal made, to have something already done.
I just I feel like sometimes we want the table
to be perfectly set for him, and that's maybe what

(01:28:12):
he's used to, but isn't at least a thought go
with the young guys, elevate all of their games, and
then pick and choose who you want to add next. Well,
I see what you're saying there, because there's one major
thought in that is that why would Paul George come
after Lebron decided to go to l A. Like these
guys talk to each other. He is close with Paul George, Like,

(01:28:34):
why would they be keeping in a secret from each other.
I can understand Lebron's camp and them being very tight
with all this stuff. They do a great job with
it and them not you know, giving any kind of
tell here. But if I'm Lebron, I'm not if I
want to play the fall. It's like I know if
he's staying in Oklahoma City or not. See what I'm saying,
Like he's not gonna sign and like, hey, l A,
I'm coming. I'm gonna do a one year and an option.

(01:28:56):
I'm gonna do the shorter term thing. You know, Lebron
is gonna be looking for the longer one here whom
um you know, I'm just gonna come to l A
and then I'll see what happens. He would already have
the answers to that by being able to talk to
all of these other guys, like the Durant news that
he talked to Durant that that was sexy, but it
doesn't mean Durant's not doing it and he's not leaving
Golden State. But it's also part of the bigger thing

(01:29:16):
here of this off season that that Lebron talked to
all of these guys so to me, like it isn't news,
but it also means that he should have gathered information
that's all of a sudden like what is Paul George
not going to tell Lebron ultimately, like what he's gonna do?
Like if Lebron called George and say, hey, what are
you doing, I'm not telling you dude. I mean that's
official to both parts. But but you also you also

(01:29:36):
know you also know I would say this, um and
and I pushing guys over that threshold, right like, look,
you walked away from your radio show is to me
as an ballsy move he did, but that took some
nuts to do. It's a hard thing to do. And
and as much as you could say, like hey, Paul,

(01:29:57):
you know you went and saw Dwyane Wade, he said,
le Bronze cool. You know it's l A. It's the Lakers.
You know how many times have how many times do
you threaten to move to l A when you didn't
do it. How many different guys have we said I'm
walking out that building and they didn't do it. It's
just that that last little push I could see whether
they're communicating, and he's like, I think I'm coming. I think,

(01:30:18):
you know, I just I need some time. I need
to think it over. And he's, you know, he's kind
of replaying. And again, some of this is he's remembering
it a lot more fondly than he should remember it. Like, all,
if I'm the Lakers, my pitch to Paul George's just
turned on the game six tape and it was awful,
right it was. It was horrendous watch that Game six tape,
like you want more of this, more for another year.

(01:30:39):
But I mean, but the fact that he was out
there and it hasn't dawned him yet. But hey, dude,
this is never going to change. This Westbrook thing is
never going to change. But what you hear about Paul George,
and it's not a bad thing, is that he's more
impressionable that that he might be the guy the day
of it's like, hey, I'm I love it here, Like
this is awesome. I love working out Westbrook. Like I
have heard this from numerous people this offseason that George

(01:31:00):
really likes Westbrook. So even though we watch it from
a basketball standpoint and go, how could anybody really enjoy
this Westbrook thing? And I don't want to fight with
Oklahoma City stands like if there's enough evidence out there
that it isn't fun to play with Westbrook and George
somehow like whatever that is, it's it's potentially here, you know,
because we still don't know for certain here, But it's

(01:31:20):
just the rumblings are that that I just haven't heard
from as many people are like, Okay, yeah, he's gonna bounce.
I heard from one agent, you know, a couple of
months ago, and then Flamm Mackison ran with it and
said that I was reporting Georgia's leaving And that's not
even close to right did but that's what everybody does. Now, Um,
you're right, Like you would think that would be part
of the pitch, But I mean, why would he have
to go back and watch it when he was out
there with By the way, I'm gonna aggregate all your

(01:31:40):
thoughts and repeat them in my next segment. That's what
I'm gonna because that's that's what we've become. Ryan Rissilo
joining us in the herd here on Fox Sports Radio.
I do think I think guys like I think guys
like offseason Russ, I think they'd like Rust the guy.
I think Russ is a human being, is a great
human being. I really I would agree with those I've
never heard of anybody feel like I don't like Russell Westbrook.

(01:32:01):
I just think, you know, when like just to jump
in real quickly. Remember that play where Westbrook was trying
to get like the tempest sifts and never against the Warriors,
believe yes, And the Warriors were laughing at him on
the bend. They were laughing at event because they were
mad at the guy didn't take the shot. And it
was like that told me. I think there's these little
moments like when Kobe told Dwight Howard, I know who
you are. That's all I ever needed to know about
Dwight Howard, despite mountains of evidence that you know, would

(01:32:23):
also prove that Dwight's not the greatest teammate. I thought
that moment told you a lot, Like dude, he's doing
it again, and Durant sitting there and laughing, go on,
this is so much more fun. Like I think that's
a real thing. Yeah, I I do. I do too.
I think it would be. Now there is the other
side to it, which which no one brings up. Is
it really fun to play with Lebron? You know? I

(01:32:43):
mean like look when when when he left Miami, Chris
Bosh was quoted as saying, you know, Kevin Love you
go there. Remember you're gonna have to play center, which
is true, okay, and he's gonna he's gonna give you
the ball, and if you don't make it in the
first half, you're not getting the second half. And when
things go wrong, it's gonna be your fault, not his fault.
Like again, if you can accept all of the things,
we would all agree Lebron is great, But there is
a prevailing there's some some sort of thought in the

(01:33:06):
media which I'm not sure to share with the players,
which is he's awesome to play with and he makes
you better. All of those guys that were traded there
performed better with their previous teams than they did when
they got to play with Lebron this year, and I'm
not sure how much fun they actually had. So he's
are we only looking at it as a Westbrook and
we're not looking at as from the Lebron might not
be that much fun to play with. I'd rather have

(01:33:26):
a little less fun and losing the finals than a
little less fun and lose in the first round. Agreed,
But the love the love Bosh examples like what you're saying, Like,
I haven't. There's certain things I disagree with that I
still have an open mind about. Okay, and Lebron isn't
always great to play with. I have an open mind
about it, Like, yeah, if you screw up, it's gonna
be on you. And if he screws up the defensive rotation,

(01:33:48):
it still might kind of be on you. Um, you know,
he's gonna get the love because he's He's but he
this dude is. I think sometimes we forget how amazing
he is, Like we hold every other superstar to the
standard that whenever they have a bad game in the
way offs to go like, oh, really is during all
that is Curry, all that is hard, and all that
is Paul that Lebron is doing it every single freaking
game in the playoffs. So yeah, I would, I would

(01:34:11):
listen to some of the smaller complaints, but like I
try not to let the ten percent get in the
way of that's amazing. And the Boss Love stat drop
off thing, I think it's a poorer. It's just poor
evidence for the argument that Lebron is not actually a
great teammate because Boss got empty stats on a barely
playoff Toronto team and Kevin Love wasn't even close to

(01:34:33):
step in the playoffs teams. Yeah, so like those guys,
those staffs were going to go down just by being
with better players. No question, Dan D'Angelo Russell had a
great year statistically in Brooklyn. Still nobody with who's a
playoff team wants him on their roster. So I I
agree with you, Okay, I'm not I'm not using stats.
I'm using the reality of play. If you're gonna play
with Lebron, you're going to play Lebron's way, right, like

(01:34:56):
you know, like they're not doing it. They're not doing
a ball moving offense and not doing a pick and
whole offense. That's not how he plays. Like, look, you're
gonna play to his strengths. He's the best player. That's
meant really more what I was getting at. And to
some people, that's not much fun, right, Some people just
doesn't fit. They just don't fit in with that and
have we not at least opened it up to the
possibility of enough people have told him, mate, like at

(01:35:17):
the Lebron they ain't that much fun. I can totally
understand how it wears on you, Okay, that it is.
It's this all encompassing things like he is the sun
and you are just these You're not even a planet.
Sometimes you're a murderer orbiting around this thing, just like, hey,
I'm along for the ride and all the attention, and
when you know we don't do as well, we're not
as good. Well guess what, like sometimes that played out

(01:35:40):
and sometimes and I hate the word narrative, like sometimes
it's not always accurate. It was accurate this year, like
that team wasn't any good. That was the worst team
rosterwise that he had of this eight years of final run.
So you know, if he was frustrated at times, like
I don't, I don't really blame him, you know how
along like I still don't have an answer. Do you
have just third best player on the Calvos this year?

(01:36:02):
I don't. I wouldn't say, like if somebody said life
or death, I would do it, just end it. I
can't answer that. Uh yeah, but there's also he's you
know the thing about do you think no, No? But
I think he I think he's like he's like every
super talented person I've ever known, I've ever worked with,

(01:36:24):
in that he's I think he's actually a good dude.
I think he's a good human being. I think he's
a great player. But I don't think it's all easy.
I just don't. And I also think that he has
maybe a little bit too much pride. The perfect example
is the Kyrie thing. Kyrie says, I'm out of this circus.
I want out. Do you mean to tell me you
don't pick up the phone and go like, hey man,

(01:36:45):
let's listen, let's let's let's let's chop it up. Let's
go eat this restaurant. I'll fly out and tell me
who you want to meet. It's not about media, it's
not about cameras. Let's just talk to this out face
to face. And then if Kyrie wants to leave, then
you're like, all right, good, I'll give you my blessing,
leave wherever. But the allowing the front office to make
moves and then coming out to Rachel Nichols and going
like I told him not to trade him for that
package and they traded him, Like, what are you doing,

(01:37:07):
like take some ownership over a relationship with Carry Irving
that had become dysfunctional. That's the part that makes it
to where I'm like, he's great, but he's not exactly easy.
But I don't I don't know if any of these
guys are like if we're finding again, I'm not telling
you that you're wrong about the critiques of this, but
when I look at the overall package, that this is

(01:37:28):
somebody that we're legitimately talking about being at the same
talent level as Michael Jordan's and it's not just the
guy that gets bounced out early, but because the eighth
straight finals, Like there's a value to that, Like if
he's such a bad teammate and it's so overwhelming and
it's so bad, Like, wouldn't these teams start losing more?
Wouldn't they lose earlier in the playoffs? So I would
agree that, yeah, there's some ownership stuff, But I still

(01:37:49):
feel like post two thousand and ten, when he was
made out to be the worst human ever for going
down as a free agent to Miami, that that's always
stuck with him, that that's that's burnt him, and they've
become a little bit more protective, and they are trying
to create more of the story around them because because
they don't like there is that ego and there is
that pride, and yeah, he probably could have found a
way to maybe repair the Kyrie thing a little bit poor.

(01:38:10):
And it sounds like that story a year later is
that Kyrie was going to be traded on his way
out and he's like, all right, forget this, I'm out
of here. I don't want to do this anymore. But
when I look at the trade packages and next here
and all the stuff that happened, you know that that
to me was more of a personality thing. That theme
was messed up. You know, they had to get Ida
and Jay crowd are out of there. So look, yeah,

(01:38:32):
that one's always kind of weird. I don't I'm still
expecting way to get like some weird contract from Miami
that doesn't make a ton of sense. That's paid back
for him opting out in two tusks fourteen, Like I
almost feel like, hey, they still own me money. I'm
gonna go back down there? Is that cool? Yeah, no problem,
because they probably could have used him in the playoffs
I'm not saying it would have changed anything, but that
was weird that it was just like, oh, by the way,
you can go back for nothing. I honestly think it's
a personality thing. I think it was him and Lebron

(01:38:53):
and other guys were jealous of of how how close
they were in terms of the relationship. I think it
was a dysfunction. Know, just punch all right here, here's
what we gotta get to. Okay, Um, best guess what happens.
Um it's either a one year deal with Cleveland or
somebody figures out that he's teaming up with Lebron here soon.

(01:39:14):
And if Lebron goes there by himself, meaning to the Lakers,
I have to imagine something else is coming by the
end of August. But that wasn't best guest. Best guest
means one guess. You gave me two options, which are
both very plausible. I'm just that's why I was so
bad at Sports Center, Doug, give me your best guess.

(01:39:36):
What do you think happens if I had gun to
your head? This is the this is This is a
simpler question to answer than third best player in the
Calves this year. I've always thought that Cleveland still very
much in play here, and if no one wants to
go to l a I thought he was gonna do
a short deal in Cleveland, So I'm giving you I'm
giving my best guests. But like as soon as I
find out like a Paul George of Kauai, you know,
end up there, like I don't seem going back to Cleveland.

(01:39:57):
So yeah, I'm not giving you just the best guests.
Those are my two who thought out rational points. Okay,
maybe maybe I'll work backwards. Do you think Kawhi Leonard
gets traded to l a UM. I think Kauai and
his camp have totally screwed this up. Like if they
just wanted to go to the Lakers, that's exactly what
they should have said. They should have controlled the message
so everybody else knew to not even bother bidding on
him because it was a one year rental. I can't

(01:40:19):
believe they did this thing where they played it out.
So now the Lakers price goes up, the left left
assets that teams up with there. But yeah, and by
the way, the Spurs, no one has told me they've
even offered him the Supermax, which which may have solved
all of their problems and just keeping them there. So, um,
if they don't offer him the Supermax about it seems
like it's teaching up more so. My best guess was

(01:40:40):
that he ends up with the Lakers. So the ends
of the Lakers, then Lebron ends up with the Lakers,
and then what does Paul George do? Gets to watch
a bunch of bad shot of tempasany and sushi. Okay, see,
hey there's some sushi. Niko is actually really good. No
clues to day. I'm just gonna point out it's it
may you know, it's not no boo, but it's it's
the no. It's the no. It's then no bou of

(01:41:01):
of of the northern part of Oklahoma City at northwest
Oklahma City. So I just want to north and it's
not northwest. Know that because I got new Uh, I
was there for a Sooner's game, so I'd stay back
in Oklahoma City and you know those college game day trips.
Back in the day, was Halloween getting yelled at on
the phone, and um, I ordered some delivery pizza and
it was it was so bad I called the complaint

(01:41:23):
and then the owner of the pizza place called me
back in the hotel room to threaten me. So he
was coming by. I wonder if that guy had knows
what knows what you look like in person. Ryan Rosilla,
the King of Manhattan Beach. Thanks so much, Ryan, Thanks
all right, Ryan Stilo joining us download his podcast. It's
a good one, uh man. You know, the summer is

(01:41:43):
all about creating the super team in the NBA, recreating
super a new super team in the NBA. But have
we actually ever articulated how we truly feel about the
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(01:42:41):
in this endless quest to try and figure out what
Lebron James is doing Ron Giants, we may have a
hint as to who Lebron James may be playing with,
just slightly. A report from Hoops Hype Alex Kennedy said
several veteran players have told him that if Lebron James does,

(01:43:01):
in facts go to the Lakers, they would end up
settling for a minimum deal in order to be a
part of that team. Um yeah, I guess the question
is who. And you just gotta you gotta be careful
with how many old pieces you get, right. I mean
that was their problem this year to me, To me
old dudes that aren't used to accepting those rules. But

(01:43:22):
do I think Lebron would bring some vets in town?
You damn righty wood. I just if I'm the Lakers
would be very cautious about getting rid of some of
the young guys. I don't think they think that Ingram
has it in and to be a superstar, but he does.
He is a is diverse skill set at both ends
of the floor. Um, I don't think Alonzo is going
anywhere one because he's not valued as highly elsewhere. But

(01:43:43):
I also think he can play with Lebron James. He's
good at playing without the basketball, so you'd you'd have him,
And then if you have you know, Kyle Kuzma, Josh Hart.
You have the two draft picks, that's enough youth, and
then you gotta get some vets to go with him
because the Vets make the shots in the playoffs. I
think it's reason everybody's just waiting to see what Lebron does,
and it feels like it's not gonna happen here on

(01:44:05):
a Friday. Might be a news dump Friday story, right,
It's something that happens maybe on Sunday, but more likely
on Monday Live. First big is Sunday Monday call returns.
I think that's kind of feels like that's when A
smart time to distribute that information would be former Cavaliers
general manager David Griffin. He is now a Sirius XM

(01:44:27):
radio host. He said earlier today he's hearing the Lakers
will actually get DeMarcus Cousins in free agency, and then
they will land either one of Lebron Kauai or Paula George.
Haven't really heard DeMarcus Cousins to the Lakers. You think
that's smart, especially considering the injuries coming off of well,

(01:44:47):
let's see um and I thought de Marcus Cousin is
not up until next year. Could be, I could be wrong,
but de Marcus Cousins is coming off of an achilles
tendon injury. Now, look, he was having a really good year.
He has improved his game, he has matured. Calls l
a home in the policees as so many guys do.
I've heard the DeMarcus Cusins thing, but obviously, yeah, that's

(01:45:08):
a coming off an achilles. That's a huge risk. Take
how to work out for them? Last time they had
a start coming off and a kill him. DeMarcus Cousins
is in fact a free agent right now. Um, A
lot of people have been wondering with the Dallas Mavericks
if they're going to get it on the demarsk Tomorrow
DeMarcus Cousins sweepstakes or also that trade with DeAndre Jordan's.

(01:45:30):
The problem with de Marcus Cousins is, you know, how
do you how do you play him against the small
ball uh, the small ball Warriors? That that kind of
becomes the question is does that work? Marcus Cusins out
of plot? But DeMarcus Cousins is a talented dude, and
it would make sense if you were going to get
Lebron because he also needs somebody who he respects and

(01:45:51):
maybe fears as the leader of the team. Right, you
don't want him to be your leader, but you do
want him on your team. Let's wrap this up here
with a little bit of nf L news. Doug, everyone's
favorite quarterback is looking like he may be the starter
once again. Of course, I'm talking about Sam Bradford, Doug. There,
Cardinals rookie wide receiver Christian Kirk told the NFL Network quote,

(01:46:12):
to be honest, just with what the coaches have said
and the way it's been looking, I'm pretty sure Sam
is going to start. Of course, one of the biggest
stories in the draft this year was when Josh Rosen
u c L, a quarterback, ended up falling to the
Cardinals with the tent pick. So we obviously know Bradford's
injury history. Doug, how long do you think Bradford, if
he does start the season as the starting quarterback, how

(01:46:35):
long do you think he holds on holds onto that
position is the cliche answer, until he gets hurt. Um. Look,
I I just don't think his body can hold up.
I think Sam Bradford's really good. Obviously, might be the
best game of his career Week one of the season
last year, but then he couldn't really come out for
Week two. He had the knee issue. He's gone that

(01:46:56):
scar tissue that ultimately had cleaned up I think he
makes it three quarters away through the season before he
ultimately relents to Joshua may pay him one million dollars
for this one year. They overpaid him, and I think
they over now. It also wouldn't be crazy if somebody
has a quarterback go down, if the Cardinals traded him,

(01:47:16):
if they felt comfortable, and not just Rosen, but also
who's their other quarterbacks in standing um, It's not crazy
to think that they might try and recruit a draft
pick by trading him to a team that needs a quarterback.
Sam Bradford can really throw, and for the first time
last year he showed the ability to step up in
the pressure in the pocket and makes him throws downfield.

(01:47:38):
Who was just too short lived with the knee. Yes,
you're never gonna believe who the third string or second
string right now quarterback for the Cardinals is. Remember, you
know a guy who was supposed to be the starter
was the starter last year, but they drafted a young quarterback. Remember, Oh,
that's right, that's right, that's right. I do I do this.
It's Mike Glennit yeah there right, No, So they have

(01:47:59):
two guys that can start, the guys that are fine,
and then you have your your kind of air apparent
there that eventually you'll turn it over to. So would
wouldn't be crazy to me if the Cardinals do what
the Eagles did, which is like we got three quarterbacks,
we only want to carry two Rosens the furt of
the s along of any of these guys anyway, We
don't want to start them right away. But if somebody
goes down, we get rid of Bradford in a heartbeat.

(01:48:19):
I would say, if he's if he's healthy, three cords
of the year at most, he starts, and that's well,
that's the news. And I look at super Teams like
I look at all these Marvel Comics movies right now.
I didn't fight the Marvel Comics thing the whole time.

(01:48:42):
Like I like spider Man, the first reincarnation of Spider Man.
I loved all the Christopher Nolan Batman's, all of them.
Christopher Nolan's a genius filmmaker. I loved all of I
love the darkness to it. I just I really liked it.
But I, you know, the Captain America, all the Avengers movies.

(01:49:03):
I like iron Man, iron Man two not as much,
iro Man three not so much. We just kind of
get caught in the weeds, like, man, how many superheroes
are there? And is this a movie where everybody knows
superheroes exist or is this one of the movies where
people don't know they exist yet? And are we going
off into space? Like man, just some of it becomes

(01:49:24):
I'll give you an example. I had never seen Galley
Guardians of the Galaxy, and then I watched the new
Avengers movie and I'm like, you know what, I gotta
go back and watch Guardians of the Galaxy and Guardians
of the Galaxy one really funny. The problem with it
is there's there these intermittent, intermittent uh fight scenes which

(01:49:46):
are ridiculously unbelievable. They're just they're not and you can
tell what you don't understand the superpowers Like fine, it's
just really hard to believe these fight scenes and there's
too many of them, and I just have not suspend
a disbelief enough to totally buy in. But here's the deal.
Marvel's comics movies and superhero movies are just like super teams.

(01:50:11):
But just like super teams. Kay, Like, I don't know,
are you ever gonna make it great? I thought dead
Deadpool is probably my favorite one, and it makes it's
because it makes fun of all the other movies. I
love that one. I like Deadpool. That's one of my
favorite movies I've seen in the last decade. I laughed,
I chort I laughed so hard. Super teams are the

(01:50:35):
same way, right. The superteam idea is not new. The
Celtics created a super team when they had Kevin Garnett,
Paul Pierce, they had Ray allen Um. That was a
super team. The Lakers have had super teams in the past,
whether it was the Shock and Kobe, which of course
they built through a draft day trade to get Kobe
and getting Shock through free agency, or whether it was
the super team that they got going back in the

(01:50:56):
eighties that was mostly acquired through free agency through through
the draft, or whether it's a super team that when
you had uh Kobe and they got Dwight Howard and
you know, they had Steve Nash. Like they try to
put there, are different, just like not all superhero movies
are awful, some are okay, some are great. The same

(01:51:18):
is true with super teams. Some of them and have great,
some of them are a disaster, some of the jokes
fall flat, some of the action scenes are too much.
Some of the storylines are too intricate for most of
us to follow. But here's the lasting part about the
super teams. Sorry, I had to cough. I got I'm
working through a cough. I apologize. I don't think anybody

(01:51:42):
truly believes you're making a great movie if you're making
a superhero movie. And I don't think anybody really thinks
you're making a great team if you're building it through
free agency and creating some sort of super team. That's
just me. Look, part of it is I grew up um,
and I guess I'm partially guilty of it, but not

(01:52:04):
fully guilty of it. When I grew up, you had
an a U team, and that was usually the team
that you're with that you tried to recruit guys from
lesser teams to come join your team, but you wouldn't
poach guys from other elite teams to be on your
elite team. For whatever reason, that wasn't done. When I
went to high school, I didn't go to the high
school in my district, But I also didn't go to

(01:52:25):
the high school, the private high school that had all
the players. I went to a public high school that
was really well coached that had pretty good talent. I
guess my my takeaway is, do I hate I don't
hate super teams. I understand that you've existed for a
long time. I like them because it does give you
something to shoot for, and I think everybody likes it
when they lose. Everybody likes when they lose. So like

(01:52:51):
the Warriors could have been had this year by the
Rockets could have been had Chris Paul couldn't stay healthy.
But let it be known, the Rockets are just as
much a kind of super team as the Warriors are
a super team, right. I mean they traded for James Harden,
which ends up being a great trade to give him
a huge contract, and then they go and make a
trade for Chris Paul. Like all of this stuff is,

(01:53:14):
it's different ways of creating the same thing. We all
want the idea of creating organically through the draft, but
even the Warriors weren't created initially in you know, organically
that much to the draft. Yeah, Clay Steph Draymond, all
draft picks, Iguadala free agent, Sean Livingston free agent, Kevin

(01:53:39):
Durant free agent. Do I love super teams? No, but
some of them are a lot more enjoyable than organically
built teams. Do I love superhero movies. I like them
all right, right. Some of them are really really good
and really really clever, and some of them are a

(01:54:00):
lot of dudes disappearing, having these bizarre strengths and stuff.
I just I sorry. I didn't read comic books when
I was a kid. I had a life, I had girlfriends,
I had friends, I played outside. I never got caught
up in dungeons and dragons. The Celtics are not trading

(01:54:21):
Kyrie Irving the best for lasses, next Dog got even
for Colin the Herd on Fox Sports Radio, what are
you playing here? It's The Adventures, a great movie, by

(01:54:45):
the way. And you wonder why Ryan doesn't always get
the call to playing board on on Cowherd show, chances
that Colin has seen The Avengers. I'm gonna go I'm
gonna go low. He already saw it. He said it
was great. He did he saw with his son. Then
it doesn't matter. It was great. He said it was great.
It was a lot of things. I don't think great
was where there there's some good scenes, there's some interesting stuff. Uh,

(01:55:07):
it's obviously setting up most everybody dies, which means they're
coming back in a future movie, right. Spoiler alert. Well, man,
it's been out for how long. If you haven't seen it,
you haven't seen it. If you like, if you like
what you see, that person is probably gonna die. That's
that's let's get to the best for last. After almost
three hours, Colin apparently hasn't gotten to the point yet

(01:55:28):
quit holding out on his cowherd. It's the best for last,
all right. So there's just uh, there's just quote from
Danny Ainge that I think is perfect. Danny Ainge calls
potential blockbuster deals unlikely. Quote. I feel like it will
help our team will explore every trade of players of

(01:55:51):
certain magnitude or superstar first ballot Hall of Famer types,
Haines said Friday after the Celtics formally introduced their first
round pick Robert Williams, who I believe did make the
call time this time, a spot last week. We're gonna look,
We're gonna look and kick the tires and see if
there's something there. But that's all. I think those things
are unlikely. Ah, that's because they're not trading Kyrier, right.

(01:56:17):
I feel like we're a title contender last I feel
like we're a title contender. Last year in training camp,
I didn't think we're the favorites, but I think we
were a contender. Now, of course they feel like they're
a contender. I feel great. We have a lot of
players that people like and want. That's a great feeling
to have. That's not always the case, and that's the
reason we like our guys too. We have a lot

(01:56:38):
of talent on our team. I'm excited about our team
going forward. They're not trading Kyrie Irving. Kyrie Irving is
at worst a top ten player in the NBA, and
unless his knee is bad, you don't want to get
You don't want to trade a top ten player in
his prime when he's been in your system for a year,
and if his knee is bad, you wouldn't be able
to trade him anyway. They're not trading Carrie Irving, and

(01:57:02):
they're probably not trading Jayson Tatum with three years left
on a rookie deal. So with that in mind, it
feels more and more like the Spurs are trying to
drum up interest and trying to find anybody, oh anybody
who can drive up the price and the Lakers. And meanwhile,
the question for the Lakers is, you know, how do
you do in this trade? We don't have We don't

(01:57:23):
have a ton of data to go on with Rob
link and how he does in trades. But if we
can use the mid season trade of Jordan Clarkston and
of Larry Nance for Isaiah Thomas, he won that one, right,
he won the trade. They did not want, they did

(01:57:45):
not want. They did not want Isaiah Thomas, but Isaiah
Thomas's contract was going away, which freed up even more
cap space that they needed. They didn't want Clarkston. They
thought he was a hangout dude more than a great
basketball player. That he was a guy who put up
empty stats on bad teams. They got rid of him.
He got exposed in the playoffs. They like Larry Nance,
but Larry Nance can't score. He's a bench player. He

(01:58:06):
was just a throw into the deal to make the
money work. We don't have a ton to go on
with Rob Polinka, but I think he does know a
thing or two about smart trades, having been an agent
for a quarter century in the NBA. Whereas the Spurs,
they've never been in the situation before. I mean, not
many teams have been in this situation, but the Spurs,
as good as they've been, they've never had a players
say no. They got Michael Finley for pennies after he

(01:58:30):
was bought out by the Dallas Mavericks. They got Tim
Duncan out of the draft. They got Monogenobly out of
the draft after playing two years in Europe. We got
Tony Parker out of the draft. Like this is not
Remember they tried. One of the years they won an
NBA title. I believe it's two thousand three. They tried
to trade for Jason Kidd mid season, couldn't pull it off.

(01:58:51):
They're not great at trades. They're good at player evaluations,
getting guys to buy in, they're great at coaching at
player improvement, but they have not to this point been
anywhere near what For example, Danny Ainge has been on
the trade market, which, by the way, if I'm san Antonio,
I'm super cautious of whatever Danny Ainge offers. I want

(01:59:14):
the opposite of that, Like he could offer Kyrie and
Jason and Jason Taine like Nah, I want something else?
Why just because whatever he whatever he wants and he
gets it always seems to work. Out worse for whoever
trades with Kyrie ain't going anywhere. I like Danny understands
the sensitivity of it and the sensitivity this is. This
is one of the issues that you have that I

(01:59:35):
think Magic kind of plowed through. Magic openly opening for
two max player free agents though his guys aren't old
enough or maybe good enough to have the egos they should.
He is in fact saying we don't have good enough
players here, and he said that by saying so, some
of our guys are in the wrong rules. That's we

(01:59:58):
want Kyle Kuzma to be a ben player, our best
bench player. We want Brandon Ingram to be our fourth best,
fourth best offensive player. But those guys have been moved
up because they got rid of all the old pieces.
Danny Ange calling the potential blockbuster trade unlikely tells you
all you need to know. Unlikely and me telling you

(02:00:20):
it ain't happening one of the same thing. I was
in Boston last week. I talked with some Celtics people.
They're like, did he ain't go anywhere? Of course, he's
going to be a free agent next year. They're all
gonna be free agents, and he can get the most
money signing with us. As long as we don't screw
something up, and he didn't screw something up, we're gonna
try and get him back. So it's gonna be a

(02:00:43):
great weekend. Speaking of a great weekend, fire up that
Kingsford Kingsford Charcoal. Hey, sports fans, the sun is shining,
the tempts arising. Summer is officially here. So grab your friends,
blossomed tunes and ignite those coals. Because whether like this
waits for no one, Kingsford Charcoal starts something. Weather is
hot everywhere, getting now the heat. I have not seen

(02:01:04):
the New Jurassic, but I'm gonna guess somehow, stunning Lee,
there are more dinosaurs roaming the earth. I know this
is crazy and people are gonna get eaten. The c
g I will be incredible, The acting will be clever,
although cliche, and there'll be something in the movie which
leads you to believe there might be another sequel. Now,

(02:01:28):
on the other hand, you have The Incredibles two, which
I did see with my family, and I hear a
lot of people going it's not as good as Incredible.
The idea in Incredible one was a great idea. The
actual plot and relating to both the older and younger audience.
I think is better than Incredibles to go see Incredibles too,
if you had a choice between the two. No humans

(02:01:50):
real otherwise are eaten in the filming of Incredibles two. Ryan.
By the way, have you have you seen Have you
seen Jurassic the New Jurassic Smith? Ryan Smith? No? I
have not. Ryan. I am thinking of as a black.
That's right, that's the that's that's from. Is it hangover right?
The Doug we're looking for is a white? Thank you,

(02:02:11):
Archie Bunker. No, you've not seen it. I have not
seen any music. Have you seen it? I gonna go
with a no on that one. You have not seen it. No,
you guys are writing the target demo. You guys are
like twenty two hipsters. You got your jeans rolled up,
you get your vape cigarettes. You guys are both going,
aren't you what? I'm forty? Seriously, yeah, man, Black, don't crack.

(02:02:34):
There you go. He's he's forty and he likes Avengers
movies and comics comics. You're a Star Wars fan. You're
older than I. I do like Star Wars, but Star
Wars is different. Star Wars is not comic books. Star
Wars is. It's different. There's a Star Wars comic book,
by the way. Yeah, but nobody is like, Oh, I
like the comic book. That's why I like Star Wars.
Comin said the book is better than the movie. No

(02:02:55):
one's ever said the book. No, No one has said
the book is better than movie. All Star Wars fans
do is complain about the new Star Wars. It's not
as as authentic as the old Star Wars. It's trash.
It's it's it's trailer trash. Uh. Tiger Woods may win
this weekend, but he did not. He he finished what
he finished In eleventh he shout a seventy working on

(02:03:15):
a new putter. All right, go back to the golf
course and work on your pots. We'll see if Lebron comes.
I think he's coming. I think the Quiet Trade is
gonna gonna happen. I don't know about Paul George, but
if I'm the Lakers, I just showed the game six
game tape and go, do you want that for five
more years? Oklahoma City, go for it. I'm Doug Gottlieb,
just the herd

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