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January 14, 2019 42 mins

Doug is tired of people saying Nick Foles and Dak Prescott are “winners” when clearly Tom Brady is the real “winner” in the NFL. Mitchell Schwartz from the Chiefs joins the show to tell Doug how they stopped the red hot Colts and how they plan to bring down the Patriots defense. He also talks to Cam Jordan from the Saints to discuss their rematch with the Rams in the NFC Championship game. 

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let we don't put all of the blame on the
feet of the losing quarterbacks, nor do we give all
of the credit to the winning quarterbacks. Right. I mean,
if you go through all of these games, there there
there actually is kind of an interesting parallel right there.

(01:06):
There honestly is, at least in in three of them,
especially maybe even four. The ability to run and stop
the run. It's so funny, like we comp completely forgot
about all of that. We're like, it's a passing league.
But the Kansi Chiefs dominated the Colts because they could
run the football and stop the run. And really like

(01:27):
the Chiefs, who had no defense to speak of up
until I don't know now, suddenly had one. What a
great Saturday in Kansas City, in that cold weather. It
was for Pat Mahomes and and the Kansi Chiefs. But
the story that game was was the defense more than
the offense. It's not that we didn't know their offense
was good and had some explosive players. It was are

(01:50):
you kid me? They got a defense now too? Continue
on with Saturday? What's the defense and the Rams and
the Cowboys game? Right? Rams could run it, Cowboys couldn't,
which brings us to and then you know, you look
at New England yesterday, and yes, Tom Brady was fantastic.
But the game plan of power running football, the use

(02:12):
of Rob Gronkowski, who showed his versatility as a blocker
more than a pass catcher. They just ran the ball
right at and right through the Chargers who looked like
the moment was just too big for them. And then
and then, while while the Saints it was not like
they're a prodigious running team, and they did really benefit

(02:33):
greatly greatly from all shot and Jeffrey uh dropping of
dropping a pass that he should have caught for a
first down, and the Eagles being in great position to
win that game. The fact is that the Eagles struggled
to run the football, which made their offense struggle more
than they usually did. But I love the idea. Last

(02:57):
week when the Cowboys won and Dac through a couple
of great balls in the second half, but wasn't all
that consistent in terms of his accuracy. You had people saying, look,
you know it's not that pretty, but he's a winner. Okay,
Well if if the end I'll be all of every
Dak Prescott discussion is he's a winner. Why aren't we
having that discussion now? And while you can sit there

(03:21):
and tell you tell me, well he was a better
quarterback because of the stats, Dude, there were eight guys
in that box the entire time they dared the Cowboys
to throw the football, and there were times in which
Dak was just not accurate enough. You want to know
a winner. Tom Brady is a winner. You guys aware
of this. Nineteen years the starting quarterback. Thirteen times he's

(03:43):
been in the a f C championship game. That's obscene.
That's that. That's just obscene. And we we so often
want to go against the common thought within the professional
sports league, right that Dak Prescott's fine. He's not great.
He's not terribly. He's fine. No, no, no, you guys
don't get it. He's better than fine. He's great. Then

(04:05):
when asked to be great, he cannot. He does not
have that competitive greatness within him. It's the same thing
where the league, though it's gone too much in the
let's find the next Sean McVeigh, Like, there's something to
the Sean McVeigh thing. And it's not just the play
calling and the relationship with the quarterback. He's the whole package.
It's a whole package. That's a good Dallas Cowboys team.

(04:28):
That's a really good one. And they saw the speed
at lineback of the speed on defense and said, you
know what, let's line up and let's just mash them.
And that's exactly what they did with one star running
back and C. J. Anderson who was signed off the
street and looked like he was on the street. Like

(04:48):
he looked more like remember Tolbert, a little running back
with the with the Carolina Panthers, we went to the
Super Bowl. That that's what we look like. You want
to know a winner, Tom Bray ease winner. This is what,
like the the all time greats do this. And we
talked about this the entire season, like, look, I don't

(05:08):
want to declare him dead, but boy do they look old,
but boy have they changed being a power running team.
And I don't want to play him in January, like
I don't know, Well, the Patriots hurt us. Don't believe me.
Here's Brady after the game, NFC Championship game and it's
a rematch against Kansas City this time though in Arrowhead.

(05:29):
What can we expect from that? One would be a
good game or a good team. And we played him
early this year. You know, I know, you know everyone
thinks we suck and you know I can't win any games.
So we'll see. It'll be fun now, Listen, I've I've
sat next to Rob Parker, I've I've worked with with
Nick right like you name it, and and they're not

(05:51):
wrong in that. They're not wrong in the fantasy football
aspect of it, in the foot race aspect of it.
This is layup line basketball. Let me give you the
best parallel you're ever gonna get. Okay that there are
people who you go to a basketball game and you
watch the team play in layup lines or in the airport,

(06:12):
but layup lines. You want. One team's dunking and they
look great, and they're passing, they're clapping, they're doing that right,
they're doing the clapping, they're whooping. The other teams just
doing layups, just shooting jump shots, just getting ready. And
you walk into the gym, you're like that team at
that end, that's the one I'm going with. And then

(06:35):
you watch a little bit more closely, and the other
team is a little bit more locked in their fist
bumping each other. But they have like a laser like focus.
They look a little bit older, they look a little
bit wiser, and all of a sudden they start spreading
you out and cutting you up, screening you. Next thing,
you know, open three whap, open three whap. You decide

(06:59):
to stay home throwing the post. They get a little
post up kind of a little funky hook shop, but
it goes in. They're gapping you defensively every time you
cut their putting a forum in your chest. They're being
physical but not dirty. But to the point of, hey
are they being dirty? This is I mean, look, the

(07:19):
Chargers were like USA basketball and the Patriots are like Argentina.
Just find a way to win that game, exploit the
weakness and put the pressure on the other team that
hasn't been there before, playing as a team together, and
they collectively collapsed. Look what we're what we're telling you

(07:43):
about dak Well, we're telling you about fools. And you know,
Fols wasn't great. Yesterday's second interception absolutely not on him,
and he does get rid of it quicker, which does
has some benefits, but some of it's because he's a
league can get a little bit jittery back there, as
opposed to wins who might hold it a tick too long.
But there's some benefit to that as well. Like, look,

(08:04):
what we're telling you about Dac and we're telling you
about Fools is this thing is not about one game.
Here one game, they're winning a game, losing a game.
It's about the ability to do it time and again.
Not just based upon having a better game plan, but
can you make a play and can you make the
can you make the right throw and the right read

(08:25):
at the right time. And Brady just consistently does it,
and the best consistently do it. I think Folds is
one of the top five people in the NFL. Like
what I see from the Eagles and the loss. There's
a video now Doug Peterson waiting for every player before
they go into the locker room. There's of course the
video we saw yesterday and the still photos of Nick

(08:47):
Foles going over to all Sean Jeffrey and consoling him. Like,
as far as people are concerned, like I know Nick
a little bit. I know people who know him, They're like,
the real deal is a guy, But Carson Wentz is
a better quarterback. You can't solely judge based upon wins
and losses. The perfect example is Nick Foles played good
enough to win yesterday against Drew Brees. He did. He

(09:09):
was leading them on what looked like a game winning drive,
plenty of time in the clock, had plenty of time
to throw through to his best player open over the middle.
They would have been right there in the red zone.
Chance to win the game. Does it mean they would
have wanted to know, but it put them in what
felt like great position. But just like you can't judge
Foles based upon the previous week when he really didn't
play well against the Bears and the win, Let's not

(09:31):
judge him on this week. You judge guy based upon
the overall body of work and what you see and
what the league thinks. The same is true with Dak Prescott.
They have to do so many things in Dallas to
make Dak Prescott look like a star when he's just fine. Hey,
I didn't say he's terrible, He's just he's okay. He's
mediocre right there in the average category. Whereas Tom Brady,

(09:56):
sure at this point in time he needs a masterful
game plan, but when given the opportunity with throws, it
feels like he always delivers. It just does. So there's
something to the ability to consistently win. And while we

(10:17):
can't judge based upon one gamer here, they're right like Brady,
guys at his feeding both times against the Giants in
the Super Bowl still have a chance to win both
of those games, by the way, I mean, not like, Look,
if we want to really judge wins, and losses. It's okay.
They should have maybe lost to Seattle, but that was
after Tom Brady drive. But if David Tyree doesn't catch
the ball against his helmet, or if Wes Welker catches

(10:39):
a ball that hits him in the fingertips, he might
not have lost those two Super Bowls, right like last year.
If you want to put it on Brady because he
fumbled when they're down five, that's fine, but he didn't
miss the extra point and his team never punted. Think
about that, like you You just can't put everything on

(11:01):
one player in a sport where forty six guys are active.
Is he more responsible than any other player? Yeah, I'll
go with that. But the to the Dak Prescott is
a winner because he won the week before would make
him a loser this week. That makes no sense. He
wasn't terrible, He wasn't great. He he misses throws in

(11:23):
you know, he misses throws by by a greater margin
than he should considering how many credit hours he has
in the NFL. Guys throws are constantly high or low,
or left or right, and the reeds aren't his fluid
as the best in the game. But he can in
fact run it. He does have value. He is versatile,
he is tough, he is a good leader. But just

(11:45):
like you can't lump him in as a great quarterback
because they won last week, you can't kill him because
they lost this week. And the same is true for fools.
It's about consistency of performance. It's about the ability to deliver.
And while I don't give Brady all of the credit
this weekend, that that that's about an organization understanding and

(12:08):
evolving throughout the season. Here's who we are, here's how
we're gonna win. Laying in way, getting as healthy as possible,
executing the game plan too. You know, there were some
mistakes there, but as close to perfection as possible and
beating a super talented team and the Chargers, who if
you looked at layup lines and you're like, damn, Mike
Williams and Keenan Allen and Melvin Gordon and Philip Rivers

(12:32):
and Derwin James and Nick nick Bosa to Nick Joey
Bosa and Melvin Ingram, You're like, dude, that team in
layup lines, I'm taking them. Meanwhile, the Patriots are down
there working on their screening. They're passing their cutting. Be
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(12:56):
is an All Pro and even more importantly, he's the
better of the two brothers, right that that's really Mitchell
Schwartz joints just on the Doug Gallip Show of the
Kanda City Chiefs. I've look, there's nothing like the love
and support of family and your brother Jeff, who of
course he guests hosts on Fox Sports Radio, and he
has this deal on the Action Network, and he's big
on social media, and he is your biggest fan and defender.

(13:18):
But how often have you let him know over the
last couple of weeks that you are in fact still
in the league in an All pro and he has
covered you as a member of the media. I don't
have to do that too much. I think it's kind
of an understood thing at this point. But it's great
to you know, have out there is a couple of fists.
Heype man, however you want to call it. Uh, you
know's what's gonna have a lot of support on social

(13:39):
media from him. Yeah, Like, look if you're if you're
the heavyweight champion of offensive lineman, he is your guy
holding the belt coming in uh saying the champ is here, right.
That's essentially his role, and it's a it's a pretty
pretty fun rule for for for him to have. Um, okay,
that's that's also true. And some and some gold chains
and maybe some sort of funny hat. So you get

(14:01):
ready for your plan on Saturday, and you wake up
Saturday morning and you knew weather was going to be
you know it was gonna everyone knew there was gonna
be a snowstorm. What is an offensive lineman from southern
California think when you wake up and you see the
white stuff on the ground when you're driving to work Saturday.
So we think it's great. I mean, you know, I've
been at its Inn, California for a few years now,

(14:22):
and it's got me pretty acclimated to the snow. So
I just think I'll get offensive lineman now. And for
us it's great. I mean, you know, pretty much anything
that happens w otherwise it can flow down the field
typically works in our favorite you know a little bit
worse flooding for the defensive line. I quite as much
gut off from them, Um from the selfish offense, fine perspective.
We're always digging it. And um, you know, I think

(14:42):
we showed you're show able to throw the ball pretty
effectively too. And of course having pat back there and
makes that makes that pretty easy courus. But UM, I
rememver playing the true snow game. You know, Jeff had
one game and uh he always talked about that and
it was exciting. And so the snow it snow like
all night, all morning and then right about game you
kind of lee up a little. So I you haven't
played the truth again yet. Um yeah, I have you?

(15:04):
Have you heard about this weather forecast for this weekend?
I have you know? Some of my southern California family
members that are coming in town have heard about it
too and aren't quite as pleased about it as I
think I am. That we have a game. Either last
year or two years ago, there was one degree at kickoff,
so I think this game will be slightly warmer, just
by a couple of degrees. So what what is you know? Like,

(15:28):
it's it's hard for us to I would never go
to a game, like I'm just telling you, Like, I
don't think I would ever go, but you have to go,
you have to play. Like do you feel it? I mean,
your face is obviously not covered, but you got a
helmet on. You know, you can load up with layers.
Like how much of the cold do you actually feel
when you're playing? So you probably feel it the least

(15:50):
because you obviously kind of the most cared for and
people are taking care of you. So when you're on
the field, you're running around, you move in, it's not
too bad. You come off to the bench, you get
to get the bench as they have those you know,
caps or pull over jacket thanks for you. You You get
underneath one of those, and then coming that banks. I
don't know about to do from having played, it's not
too bad. I think the worst for us is you're

(16:12):
doing a time out and to stop it from play
where you're out in the middle of the field, it's
kind of standing around on the huddle. The wind kicks up.
I mean, the wind show is gonna be much worse
than you know any so when you're standing in the
middle of the field, not much is going on in
wind takes up for us at the coldest, and like
you said, I mean those fans, man, it's crazy to
see him out there and the Yeah, I don't know
how they do it, just the fashion of their fans have, yeah,

(16:35):
I mean unbelievable fans. Of course, they hadn't been a
home playoff win since ninety three. What did it mean
to get off to that hot star? Right? You got
the ball, defense gets to stop you guys, get the ball.
Five plays later, Uh, touchdown, then you know, another three
and out and then eight play seventy yards a touchdown
to go to go up seventeen, nothing to start to gain,

(16:56):
considering um considering how much kind of um our last
year went? Really what what? What? What did that mean
to this team? Yeah? Yeah, I think we had the
confidence all we go into the game that you know,
we we kind of saw that happening a little bit,
and a lot of the media stuff obviously was you know,
cosal line and going against the defense and the snow

(17:17):
conditions and that's gonna favor you know, if we're talking earlier,
they were the favors the offensive. With how well they're
playing that it could be a bad matchup for us.
But um, you know, defense is pretty solid and there
and the defensive line especially, uh, I mean they can
get to the pastor like no one else from all so, um,
you know we have to get feel for it for
those guys being able to continue doing that, and you
know offensively, I mean, no one don't really talked about

(17:37):
the matchup between offense and their defense, and um, you know,
offense is pretty special and we got some some pretty
good guys on our side. So I had all the
outments in the world that if we went out there,
you know, we can kind of do our thing. And um,
obviously would have like to score some more points in
a second half there and uh, you know, make that
a little bit of game on the back end. But
as it was big for us, I mean it's big
for the team to go out and you get up

(17:58):
in a fourteen that thing seventeen nothing and it's early
first half, and uh, you know everyone's going getting the
confidence level definitely goes up. Um, so what like, look,
but the offense did kind of stall out a little
bit in the second half? Did they figure you guys out?
Did you get too conservative? Like if there's the only
point for concern could be that though the defense was

(18:18):
way better than expected, you would have I thought, like,
look there, because of Tennessee last year and Pittsburgh a
couple of years ago, Like they're gonna they're gonna open
up the playbook in the second half and and put
a forty or a fifty spot on the Colts and
it didn't happen. What went wrong offensively in the second half. Yeah,
I mean they're they're they're pretty good too. Like I mean,

(18:41):
we thought we could do some good things. The challenge
that we had going up against them, and um, you
know they're making their plays. We had some stuff on
our side. You know, when you watch the films, you're
kind of frustrating yourself for you know, the lack of
awareness or not taking get work or both fundamentals. You know, typically, um,
throughout the season when when we look back at things offensive,
will you and we have execute? Um, he usually comes

(19:01):
back to us and doing our thing, and you know,
if we're not all on the same page, you know
as an offensive line as as an offense, and you
just need one guy off and something that can happen
and kind of breaks down to play and then you
know you're getting the second and third team, third and
twelve situations like that, and that definitely plays into defensive hand. So, UM,
I think just you know, kind of consistent execution. Uh.

(19:22):
It sounds cliche, I know, but it really just starts
come down about the end of the day. And so
you know, I know we'll be we'll be working hard
this week to make sure that we're able to do
that every single play, because I mean, these guys coming
to town, they're a pretty good bunch and they just
put together their best complete game of the of the
year as well, So it'll be a tough one. It
just warts joining us All Pro offensive lineman for the

(19:43):
h the team with the best record in the a
f C, the Cancie Chiefs. What do you remember about
the Patriots last time you faced him? Well, exciting game,
I mean we love that one, you know, frustrated and
I lost by three units, and a really good job
in the first half of especially kind of keeping us
stand down and we had a cool turnovers and um,

(20:05):
you know, you're always obviously going up against UH coach Belicheck.
You can see some stuff that you haven't seen before,
and you're up against you schematically some things that are different,
and so you're never quite sure what's going to happen.
And so you know that the word week the preparation
is just really key against them, because, um, anything can happen.
You know, he's really known for those defensive game plans
where um, something changes. You know, he takes away one guy,

(20:26):
it takes away two guys, and he had all two
year off with a game plan. So that kind of
chess match and coach reads never really always always the
focal point of that matchup. And I mean we we
score points and at the end of the leaving to
score enough points and you know, looking back, like like
I said, I think that first half is really the key.
That they did some really good things and um preventing
us from reaching our full potential on that game. What

(20:48):
was Pat like in comparison this Saturday to previous Thursdays
and Mondays and Sundays, What was he like in that huddle?
Very similar? You know, I didn't I didn't notice anything
for instances the meaner's attitude of energy. Um, And that's
kind of a cool thing with him is you know,
he does bring an energy to the team, and he
brings a you know, the confidence and a passion, and um,

(21:10):
you only see that in a positive light. I mean
there's no negativity, there's no you know, Mr pasts here
or something that happened. You know, you don't really see
any um slide in him, you know, seeing lost confidence.
You know, there's always just like I don't know if
it's beautiful, exuberant or what it is, but just a
confidence that you know, we're gonna come back and make
the next play. And um, you know he was locked
in all week. I mean we had a really good

(21:31):
wee could practice and you know something coach reason distressing
all years, and everything you do on game days is
gonna be a biproduct of practice, and so you have
the kind of tail and throughout the week. Um, you know,
I think we are that allowed to the confidence going
into the game. Yeah, it feels like Mitchell Schwartz joining
US offensive tackle Kancy Chiefs. By the way, he and
his brother have a book I've I've read. It's Gonna
Eat My Schwartz. Uh. It's about eating and family and

(21:53):
football and faith. It's it's really really cool book. You
can pick it up. It's it's a it's a fun read.
More than anything you'll you end up. I don't know
if you laugh out loud, but you definitely be smiling
while reading the book. Um. Uh, It strikes me that
this is one of the things about young players, and
it's the same you know this in college sports and
professional sports, Like there's this window where you're you're still

(22:14):
so young, you don't really understand the ramifications of everything,
right where kind of the window. Then you get to
a point where you do have experience, but you also
have like baggage with that experience, and you you may
get a little bit tight and overthink things because you
understand the magnitude. Is it Is it possible he doesn't
really understand the magnitude and doesn't care, and that actually

(22:34):
kind of works for him as opposed to the lack
of experience working against him. I think it's two things.
I think you know part of that probably somewhat true.
And you know, it's a second year overall, first year
starting and you know, hey, we have the best record
when the sc ex Germati game, Um, this is kind
of the only thing he knows as a player. You know,
this level of success and you know this is kind
of just the way it is, and we've got another

(22:55):
game up coming, and you know, it doesn't really look
at the bigger picture of it and kind of locked
in the moment. But I think with with his dad
and a professional athlete and being around pro sports his
whole life, you know, he's just used to kind of
the athletic life and this is the norm for him.
It's it's you know, not weird step in a new
huddle as a two year old and commanding a team
because he's been around athletes his whole life. He's been

(23:16):
around guys older than him on a professional level his
whole life, and so I think there's that element that
that that had to help them. I mean, his his demeanor,
his coolness, um, you know, all those things I think
he fostered at a young age and being able to
see you know, leaders in the clubhouse when you're when
you're a kid and seeing twenty thirty five year old
guys showing you the ropes. Um, I think it's definitely

(23:37):
play dividends for him. And like he said, I mean
you can see he just you know, the confidence that
he displays, and he doesn't get rapidly, doesn't get phase.
He's just keeps plugging away. All right, So we're not
gonna I don't know if you saw Northwestern at all
this year, you ever seen those videos on on social
media where their strength coach, all their guys are out
there like shirtless before a super cold game, like working out.

(23:57):
Are we can see are we can see Mitchell Schwartz
warming up next week, shirt off, you know, bare chested,
working out for the game, just to show that the
coal doesn't bother you. I'm just gonna go ahead, and
so you don't want to see the shirt off for
darrelos of the situation. So I'm gonna stay social media that. Yeah,
I don't even at this point, I I don't go
out for pregaeting warmth anymore. Um. Some sort of two

(24:19):
years ago, I did one of my settle offensive linemen
in Cleveland. Uh the name is John greg O. He
uh didn't do you know, too much of an opuit
warm up. And we had a preseason game down Tampa Bay.
And you know, it's August in Tampa Bay and understorms
and lightning and all that, and so the whole pregame
just completely got scrapped. We can only go out there
for you know, the thirty minutes after beclore the game,

(24:41):
and so everyone's routeams thrown off. And I've kind of
been thinking, hey, I'm gonna try to you know, not
really want to up and at least too much energy
be toward him. And so I did that game, and
I was great coming out of it. And honestly, I
don't really go on on the field before the game,
was there's someone on the other side I don't want
to see. Yeah, I wouldn't go out there either. Forget that,
you go, I'm going out there for the time you're
paying me to go out the otherwise I'll be I'll

(25:01):
be in my trailer, Mitchell, and congrats on the wind.
Look forward to seeing you this weekend. Best of luck
against the Paths. I appreciate it. Thank you so much.
All right, dude, that's Mr Schwartz joining us. Be sure
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(25:22):
declared the run for the New England Patriots was over.
Don't worry, we've all you know, CBS called an election
over before it was over. Dil first not alone, although
he did not do it this time around. Others have
Trent were were so many so wrong? Was it did
the Chargers choke? Was it a matchup thing? What that'll

(25:43):
happened yesterday in Foxborough. Well, it's very similar to when
I said said my idiotic statement, Um, I don't know
what year that was, five or six, seven years ago
in Kansas City about the Patriots being done. They looked weak.
They got manhandled in Kansas City earlier in the season.
They hadn't done a lot of things offensively that impressed
Tom Brady looked like he was on an island. YadA, YadA, YadA.

(26:05):
So if you go to this year, I could see why, Um,
people jumped on the you know, the the run may
be over. They look vulnerable. They lost to four teams,
didn't make the playoffs. That's never happened before. You saw
Tom Brady make uncharacteristic mistakes throughout the course of the season.
The defense got shredded at times. So you know, you
could see why people could could make those assumptions. Now

(26:29):
I learned from my stupid comments years ago that they
do a lot of things in the regular season to
prepare for the offer, to prepare for the real season,
which is the postseason. To them, Um, they will do
some thing schematically. They will test out some personnel. It
will take some chances on some personnel. Um they're not
they're still trying to win. But what they're really trying

(26:51):
to do is make sure they're playing their best football
in December, in January, and through all of it this year,
I kept saying, you're gonna see more James White when
they get in the playoff time. You're gonna see them
get to ball their hand quick or less. Deep play
action played more ball your hand plays. You're gonna see
him run on the edges. You're gonna see tom Brady
controlling the run game a little bit more. At the

(27:13):
line of scrimmage. You'll see them change their temple up
a little bit more. And that's everything that happened yesterday.
It was as surgical as performance as I've seen in
a long time by Tom Brady. Not just throwing the ball,
he's also dictating terms of the line of scrimmage in
the run game. And when you saw him double Cadencene,
when he saw him get to line of scrimmage and
wait until the defense was doing he was finding the

(27:35):
softest edge and he was getting the ball to the
runner on the edge, eating up those light defensive ends
and getting up to those dime linebackers that the Charges
tried to play with. And it was just complete mastery
of a game plan, and it was an offensive system
that he prefers more than the one the experimented with
in the regular season, where it was kind of a

(27:55):
heavy inside run run action game plan. Doug Gotlin show
here on Fox Sports Trader. Okay, but now that the
Kansas City has seen what they're going to do in
the postseason, doesn't that put on tape who the Patriots
really are and make this week even more difficult. But
the Patriots could be more to you know, That's that's
the thing about them. They they can, Yes, I think

(28:18):
that would be the foundation of their offense. In Kansas
City now sees that, and they're gonna have an answer
for for James White coming out of the backfield on
the quick hitting stuff, and they're gonna have an answer
for Edelman eating up the middle of the field, and
they'll be aware of some of that stuff. But what
you haven't seen is a heavy dose a grown recently either.
And he definitely looked fresher uh in the game yesterday

(28:38):
in the game yesterday and it was mainly as a blocker,
but that doesn't mean he can't do it as a receiver. Um,
they have other weapons they know how to expose were
you're weak and let's not forget. Although Kansas City has
looked a lot better since the Chargers game in Week fifteen,
defensively so week sixteen, seventeen, and eighteen. I know people
anna say, well the thirty eight up on them, but

(28:59):
you saw a sign of the physicality in their defense. Um,
there's still a statistically poor defense and has they do
have a lot of holes and I think New England
be able to expose those holes. Doug Gallup shoot here
on Fox Sports Trading. What went so wrong for the
Colts and Andrew Luck? Am I crazy? Or did they
just look cold and slow? It was that Okay, I'm good,

(29:21):
I'm glad somebody else is a good I I mean
I I was telling my wife and my daughter, I'm like,
I never really buy into the cold stuff. But they
look cold. They looked tentative and didn't want contact, and
they weren't moving fast. Um. I think the easy way
to say is this Dome team that went and played
in bad conditions. Um, it's not uncommon. I think they

(29:43):
they kind of, I don't know. They weren't prepared mentally
for it as much as anything. Um, they did not
look like the Colts team of the last six or
seven weeks from a confidence standpoint, from a speed standpoint,
or from a physicality standpoint trend for joining us on
the Doug Gottli Show. Um, there were people last week
because of all the Highers saying, you know all these

(30:04):
Sean McVeigh guys or know this, you know it's too much.
And I tried to explain to people McVeigh is more
than a play color. There's a there's a lot more
he does than just work with Jeric Goff. On the
other hand, like there was a certain virtuoso to what
they were able to do. How were they able to
so manhandle the Cowboys, especially as Cowboys linebackers. Well, I

(30:26):
think it's really what they want to be. Let's not
forget Sean mcveigh's deepest routes are with the Shanahan's and
Mike Shanahan even more than Kyle Um loved running the
football and play actually actually spent very little time on
the dropback pass game. It was about run and run action. Uh. Kyle,

(30:46):
who's one of the great young offensive mines in all football,
is the same way. He's a run, run action guy. UM.
And I think Sean's roots are that he wants to
run the football, he wants to run on people's throats,
and then he wants to strike with the big player
with the passing game. I think there was probably a
period of time in there where he got a little

(31:07):
pass happy. I wouldn't disagree with that, but Jared Goff
was also playing great UM, and you want to be
able to show, you want to be able to put
on tap a lot of dimensions, so it's hard to
prepare against you. I think he got back to his
roots as much as anything. I think the bye week
really helped them. I think it helped the coaching staff.
I saw that the article written this morning where some

(31:27):
of their players on offense, and they found some cues
by the Cowboys defensive lineman guessing which stunts they were
gonna be in and kind of predicting what they were
gonna be doing defensively. That's a huge advantage that usually
comes with a even a deeper dive into the film
where the bye week can help you with that, But
I think this is who they want to be UM

(31:47):
at their core. I think they want to be a
team that controls the tempo of the game by running
the ball, force you into bringing extra recruiting, extra people
to liner scrimmage, and then create one on ones in
the back end. What about what about the Cowboys? Did
they not did they not throw it as much as
they should have because that's not who they are? Is
it because they don't trust Dack or is it because

(32:10):
their play calling was awful? Well, I mean, I I
didn't like to play calling. I'm not I'm not an
anti Scotlandahan died by any stretch of imagination. But it
was almost like they looked at the stat sheet and said, Okay,
they're bad against the run, so we're just gonna be
stubborn with the run, and you can't do it that way.
A lot a lot of the great running teams. UM,

(32:32):
when teams know they want to run the ball, actually
come out and show you other stuff, get you out
of your comfort zone and make you think that you're
gonna have to defend a bunch of other stuff today,
and then run it down your throat. I personally thought
that was a game. They should have come out and
been a little more aggressive in the passeng game. And
I don't mean throwing it down the field, just getting
the ball creative ways to Cooper and his zekel out

(32:55):
of backfield, and Jarwin the tight end has been, you know,
really good for them late in the season. I thought
there were some matchups there. The other thing two and
I think it was with you. We talked about this
weeks ago. Wade Phillips Achilles hill On defense has always
been linebackers, tight ends matched up in the passing game
for as long as he's been a coordinator in this league.
That's where the really good offensive minds have attacked him.

(33:18):
I was shocked that there wasn't more Um Elliott out
of the backfield, Jarwin matched up on backers, multi multi
tight end set, getting a match up on backers. I
was really surprised that was not the game plan. And
I think they could have had a little momentum, more
momentum early on if they would have attacked that way. Okay,

(33:38):
so we'll get to what that means, because that feels
like a massive mismatch when you're taking on the Saints,
because they attacked those linebackers with Alvin Kamara in the
passing game. But let's get to let's get to the Saints.
They're down fourteen nothing, a couple of big explosive place
in the Eagles and then and look, we just had
Cam Jordans. They shut down the Eagles without Sheldon Rankins,

(33:59):
who has had an outstanding year for them. How are
they able to to shut down the Eagles? I think
Colin said this morning, as you watch Colin Show this morning,
I thought he said it perfectly, And when he asked
me about it, I said, well, you gave the answer
earlier in the show. I think that the Saints, and
you know, it hurts me to give calling that much credit,
by the way, but um, I think the Saints are

(34:22):
very different than what they're percept what people perceive them
to be. I think, at their core, they are a tough, physical,
defensive minded, hard nosed, mentally resilient football team that has
the ability to have some flash and sizzle when needed.
But we all remember early in the season when Drew
Brees They're lightening up the scoreboard and yet teams are

(34:45):
still getting organized on defense. What they've really done a
nice job of is shortening the game, controlling it with
the run games, sharing carries between Ingram and Kamara, and
then throwing some Taysom Hill and at you, and then
trusting Drew Brees to be Hall of Fame Drew Breeze.
When that formula, it doesn't work. And I've always said
this about Hall of Fame quarterback There's there's no doubt

(35:07):
that the safest way to play football is by having
a high volume of runs, played, good defense, played good
special teams. The problem with that form a lot of times,
if you sequestion your quarterback, you don't allow him to
be as good as he could be. However, I've always
felt like, when you have a Hall of Fame quarterback,
why not trust him to be a Hall of Fame

(35:28):
quarterback and get you at a jam If you're going
to take a more conservative approach to pounding, the pounding
the rocket people. And that's kind of what they did.
They said, Okay, we're gonna shut it on defense because
we're tough on defense. You saw they played a lot
of tight covers. I mean they really were all over
the Eagles wide receivers um. And then offensively, they just

(35:49):
said we're gonna be patient. We know this is the
way we play. Um, We're gonna run the ball, we're
gonna be physical, and then we're gonna trust True and
Thomas to make some plays to exist out of jams
and didn't disappoint. Um, how did how did falls play?
I tell you played okay. Um. You know he made
a couple of really nice those early Um. But then

(36:11):
after that, I thought he was kind of tentative with
some balls. They had a lot of one on ones. Um.
Like I said, the Saints were really aggressive in their
cover schemes, and he had some one on ones and
egregiously underthrew some of them. Now, I know they kind
of want a softer ball, more of a fifty ball.
That's part of their perimeter passing game. But I thought
he pulled the pulled the string a couple of times,

(36:33):
as the term we use his quarterbacks, And you're not
fully decisive on your throat that he pulled the string
on some throws. Um. You know, Nick is a guy
and I'm a Knick fan, but he's a guy that
likes zones. He wants to throw the ball versus zones.
He wants to get out of his hands, you know,
throw it in between zoe zone defenders, layered over his

(36:54):
own defenders, throw it early in zones. He struggles and
the tight man to man and stuff. And I think
they knew that. The Saints knew that, and that's what
he got. A large dose of those type man to
man um covered schemes as the game were on, and
he did not play great against them. Yeah, and then
and then he still had a chance and all Sean,

(37:14):
all Sean drops that that that football, I mean, we've
we look, we've seen this before, you know, we've seen
this minutes and I guess he only had two two
true drops this year, but he did drop a ball
that would have given putting them right into the red zone.
Um at it. And it's really amazing how this happens, right,
Like I think we'd all agree, Folds is just okay,
they have fourteen nothing lead and they can't put any

(37:36):
points on the board. And then because all Sean drops
the ball that he ninety nine times in a hundred
catches and gets a first down, suddenly now it's all Sean.
Jeffrey lost the game. And it wasn't that Nick Foles
wasn't really good enough to score enough points. It wasn't all.
It wasn't on all Sean Jeffrey. Now again it's a
horrible mistake, one that he owns right after the game,

(37:57):
as he should. But yeah, I think I'm with you
on this one. I I don't think Nick played. Nick
did not play championship by any stretch of imagination. When
you put up fourteen earlier, like you said, um, you
at least got to move the ball consistently during the
game and get some field goals, flipped the field, you know,
pain the Saints back whatever. It's not always about putting

(38:18):
forty on the board. But yeah, I thought he did
not play very well in some critical downs and like
I said, was pretty in decisive with some of his throats.
That's the voice of Trent. Delfrey joins us in the
Doug gotlips. All right, let's let's fast forward here. Let's um,
you mentioned the weakness to Wade Phillips defense is their
linebackers in coverage. Traditionally, that seems to set up well

(38:39):
of the Saints. The Saints have seen them. On the
other hand, like the Rams, seemed to regained some of
their confidence, some of their swagger, especially in that offensive line.
And if you give Jared Goff time. He's been really good.
You know, on a Monday games on a Sunday, who
do you like? I bet my buddy weeks ago the Rams,
so I kind of got stick with. But what I

(39:00):
really think, I think it's a really tough matchup for
the ram. For what we said about Wade Phillips, now
he has evolved a little bit. He's playing some more zone.
Peters has forced him to play a little more zone
because Peters is not to get up in your face
man to man guy, never has been. UM, So Wade's
had to adapt and play more zone. But when it's
go time and the biggest plays the game, Wade always

(39:22):
calls one of three defenses. He's been doing it forever.
He's either gonna rush five play man with no help
in the back end, just a whole safety. He's gonna
walk out a linebacker and another one to the edge
and lets them play man. Or is he gonna play
a tight match zone. All three of those exposure safety,
linebackers to running back and tight end miss matches. Um.

(39:44):
And that's again this goes by. You know Wade was
coaching when I played. This is fourteen years of playing.
This is nine years of being an analyst watching it
every single year that it's a he's a great coordinator
and it's a great system. But you go and you
find the really good often of minds and it's clockwork.
They will always attack those coverages with running back and

(40:05):
tight end matchups. Um, so I Sean Payton knows this.
You know. Sean Payton's forgot more football than oll ever know,
so he knows this as well. So I look for
these critical moments. It's not gonna be all game, you
know what I mean. This isn't fantasy football where okay,
now Camara is gonna catch a team balls and the
tight end is gonna catch nine. That's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying in the downs where everybody knows, okay, this

(40:27):
is a big down. This, this is one of these
downs is going to change the game. I can promise
you a way is gonna play, and I can promise
you what Sean Payton is gonna call, and those are
gonna be Those are gonna be the six to eight
plays in the game. They're gonna decide the game. And
I'd give the advance, I'd give the advantage the same,
all right, everybody counted the we've seen him lose on
this deal before. But as you pointed out, like there's

(40:49):
more to the Pattriots than even they've shown. On the
other hand, there is a lack of playmaker on that
defensive side the ball. No matter how good they are
against the run, there's just a lack of playmaker and
sometimes an inability to put pressure on a good offensive
line For the Kansity Chiefs. Who do you like him?
What's gonna be frigid Kansas City. It's gonna be interesting,

(41:11):
pretty confident how Bill Will will call this game defensively,
that they're they're gonna dare Kansas City to run the ball,
that they're gonna want Kansas City to run the ball
over and over and over again and try to kick
field goals. They're not gonna try to stop him in
the middle of the field. They're gonna try to prevent
Patrick Mahomes from going off and make these highlight real plays.

(41:31):
Um So, I think Kansas City moves the ball rather
easily throughout this game. It's gonna come down to how
they finished drives. And this guy that was one of
most prolific touchdown throwers in the history of our game.
He's gonna have to throw the ball across the goal
line to beat the Patriots, which is the hardest shot
in football. Um. I just learned by being an idiot
years ago not to bet against the Patriots this time

(41:53):
of year. You just don't. They are intellectually superior to
everybody they play. They teach the game of football better
than anybody teaches it. I think it comes this time
of year and it's your football IQ, it's your technique,
it's your toughness, it's your grit, it's those are the
things that win more than playmaking. And I think that

(42:13):
that's why the Patriots continue to win this time of
the year, because that's what they emphasize. They're not about
flash and says, well, they're about substance, and they do
substance better than anybody's ever done it. And for that reason,
I can't pick against them. I think they go up
there and I think it becomes a one possession game
at the end and Tom Brady wins it. Awesome stuff.
Trent Dilford Super Bowl champion Pam on Twitter at Dilfer's Times.

(42:36):
He gives great analysis there as well as joining us
on our and call and show. Thanks so much for
joining US, Dude, Thanks Bundy,
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