February 13, 2019 • 33 mins
Doug tells you why he likes the the Broncos trading for QB Joe Flacco. He also discusses Odell Beckham Jr and why he thinks the Giants might trade him. Plus NBA Insider Ric Bucher joins the show to talk about the Lakers’ disappointing loss to the Hawks and if Luke Walton’s job is in jeopardy.
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I've I've called two games in the last week. One
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do come back, So now was twenty three? Next game
I do has to be twenty four or more point
come back. We'll talk about Zion Williamson and how he
projects in the NBA with Rick Buker, NBA Insider from
bleacher Report. Also, how bad are things in l A
As the Lakers lose to the Hawks before a a
prolonged All Star break for lebron and the Boys. We'll
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get to that. But the news of the day is, well,
there's lots of news of the day. There's talk of
a trade that might happen in the Big Apple. Uh,
there's there's all kinds of discussions about Antonio Brown. But
the trade that did happen, it was a couple of
hours ago and it won't become official. They won't be
able to comment on it until the new football year
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begins in March. But Joe Flacco is going to be
a Denver Bronco. And here here's what you're going to
hear from a lot of people. Uh, John Elway, what
is he doing? Other Ravens? They killed it with Lamar Jackson.
What a great move. Clear out Flacco and and you
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get Lamar Jackson. And I'm here to tell you I
think this is the best possible scenario for the Denver Broncos.
It's the best possible scenario. Joe Flacco is not a
great quarterback. I'm not gonna sit here and tell you
that he's that. He's going to see a research into
his career the way that Peyton Manning did when he
was there. He's not John Elway at the start or
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at the end of his career. No, but Joe Flacco
is exactly what you think he is. He has the
perfect name, Joe, Joe's average. If I said Joe was mediocre,
you would say that means he stinks, right, But mediocre
means average. That's what it actually means. And my guess
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is that John Elway has sat there and said, I
won a Super Bowl as a general manager with Peyton
Manning as my quarterback who was below average. I want
a Super Bowl as a player two times late in
my career and I was average at best the way
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and Tom Brady just won a Super Bowl. And how
was his play? He threw two should have been three
picks in the ABC Championship Game, he fumbled into a
pick in the Super Bowl. He was by anybody's estimation
average at best this season, he wasn't spectacular. Like the
way in which you win in the National Football League
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is when you have a quarterback that's not making a
crazy amount of money and you're able to beat a
team with a roster and a philosophy. I think the
Broncos killed it today. This is the best possible scenario
for them. Like, look, could I sit there and and
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and nitpick and say, well, you know, had you called
the Philadelphia Eagles, maybe they have Maybe they have a
quarterback who's better than Flacco right now. On the other hand,
the ups and downs of their backup quarterback is Joe
Flacco has been the same. He was the same guy
before he won a Super Bowl. He was a little
bit worse at times. After the Super Bowl. He had
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the bad back. He has been a little bit injured.
But for the most part, Joe Flacco's touchdowns twelve to
fifteen interceptions and if you consider he has a huge arm,
don't believe me in a seventy yard pass that end
up beating the Broncos and keeping Peyton Manning from winning
a Super Bowl when he still had some juice in
the tank, or Kevin getting to a Super Bowl probably
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their best team. Altitude will help his arm. They do
have a good young talent base. They're they're good at
Philip Lindsay at running back. They drafted a very good
wide receiver like that's a pretty good football team that's
still has Von Miller and has reconfigured their defense where
they think, you know what we're I think the Denver
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Broncos did really well, whereas the Baltimore Ravens. We knew
this was coming, We knew it was going to be
Lamar Jackson's team. But what more do you need to
see from the Chargers game and from these type of
offenses that leads you to not think that Lamar Jackson
is going to regress in year two because the limitations
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of what Lamar Jackson is either you run the same offense,
which people figure out and unless you can dominate somebody defensively.
You know, anytime he forced into third and long, you're
feeling really good about yourself. Or you try and make
him into more of a traditional quarterback, which is not
who he is or what he does. If you're run
him like you're in him last year, he's gonna get hurt.
If you haven't dropped back and throw thirty five times,
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it's not going to be good. I kind of feel
like the I feel like the Ravens. They did what
they had to do, what they were forced to do,
and maybe the way to make this work is to
get another Lamar Jackson type to back him up, assuming
that there's going to be a time in which you're
gonna need somebody else other than our G three to
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be a backup. But the defaming of Joe Flacco, who
holds every record for the Baltimore Ravens as won a
Super Bowl, and I'm not gonna sit here and tell
you I'm not I'm I'm not on a on a
pulpit telling you he's a top ten, top fifteen, definitely quarterback.
You could do a lot worse, and the Broncos have
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done a lot worse. I've always said this in regards
to the quarterback market. It's the exact same thing as
what the Minnesota Vikings did last year when they got
Kirk Cousins. What else is out there? Everybody says, why
don't you go get an elite quarterback? Hey, it's not
easy to draft a star quarterback. Those guys are hard
to get. It is a hit and miss proposition. And
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even when you hit on the quarterback, you don't necessarily
win right away. Like the Jets hit on a quarterback,
were they good? Oh? The Browns hit on a quarterback.
They still won seven games this year. Granted some of
that was the coaching change. And that's a team that's
drafted well and drafted high the last bunch of years.
Like there's still a learning curve in the National Football
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Like it takes a couple of years. Whereas the Broncos
now bought themselves some quality time and in terms of
who's out there on the market, they probably got the
best guy. So you can sit here and tell me
Joe Vlagos stinks. He doesn't stink. He's a good quarter's fine,
he's fine. And you know what, the Broncos have been
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able to prove When John Elway won a couple of
Super Bowls, he wasn't at the height of his powers.
People forget when John Elway was great, they got blown
out in the Super Bowl. Why because they didn't have
a good team around him when he wasn't great. When
he was at the end of his run, he was
kind of banged up and he didn't have the same arm.
That's when they had to roll Davis. That's when they
had a great defense. That's an incredible offensive line. You
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get cost certainty at quarterback case Keenum returns back to
being a backup, which is what he is now. You
got to you have a decent a solid starter and
a very good backup. You got a you got a
young running back. You've got an improved offensive line. Like
I kind of think the Broncos did a great thing today.
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Remember the Raiders are sitting there in reset mode. The
Chargers are loaded, but they have no succession plan for
whenever Philip Rivers starts to fade. And the Kansas City Chiefs,
who are arguably along with the Charge. You know, a
couple of the best teams in football. We know they
have no defense, and at some point the very near future,
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they're gonna have to pay Pat Mahomes. Look at the
teams that have been the most successful, and they all
have something in common. How are the How are the
Rams able to have this great roster because they got
a quarterback under a rookie deal. You're not gonna have
to pay Joe Flacco, Joe Flacco Super Bowl MVP money.
You don't have to this, by the way, was the
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move that con Kaepernick could have made, taking less money
playing for the Broncos and betting on himself, which is
what Flacco is gonna have to do. So I get
that the Internet will tell you that this is a
terrible move for John Elway, who has no idea how
to evaluate the quarterback position. But instead of evaluating the
quarterback position as he previously did, which is try and
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judge guys in college how they'll be as pros with
the Paxton Lynches of the world and the brock Oswilers
of the world, instead he got a Joe Flacco. Joe
Flack was not great. Joe Flacco was not terrible. Joe
Flacco is just like his first name, very very average Joe.
But in the NFL, you get the cost certainty of
a guy who has played in the playoffs, in tough
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playoff games, and you know he's not gonna be too
nervous to perform, and you're gonna get him at half
the rate of the elite quarterbacks. Even if he has
half the skill of the elite quarterbacks, that's good enough
if you can get a good enough team around him.
I feel like the day is a huge win for
the Denver Broncos. Where's the Baltimore Ravens. You can expect
It's reasonable to expect massive regression as people figure out
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that offense over the off season, and they're going to
challenge Lamar Jackson to do some things that he's not
comfortable doing. Be sure to catch live editions of The
Doug dot Leap Show week days at noon eastern three
pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart
Radio app. Rick Buker, who joins us from Bleacher Report,
what are people around the NBA think of the potential
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of Zion based upon what they've seen so far this year? Well,
it's funny how you you know, automatically made him the
number one pick, and I just you know what what
I hear is, Yeah, he may end up that depending
on what the market is, depending on who the owner is.
The phenomenon of Zion Williamson may get him there. But
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for many of the reasons that you just stated, you know,
Marant and RJ. Barrett are are considered to be right
in the mix, and ultimately we'll see, we'll see where
it goes. I mean, this is this is what happens
now where a guy is escalated to stratospheric heights before
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he ever plays a minute in the n b A
and then it's like, oh wait, he has to be
a superstar by NBA rules, not by collegiate rules, and
it is quite the different thing. And I'll say, if
you're building around a guy and he's not a playmaker,
it automatically, in my mind, takes him down. And not
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because now I need he's not independent, you know, and
Lebron was a playmaker coming in. Uh, so you know
just how far he rises and whether he actually is
the number one pick. I still think there's some open
debate on that. I would I probably would have agreed
with you had I not seen him in person. And
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I just and I also think that how many teams
in the NBA want, like, man, if we just find
a small ball five that could play and he's he's
the perfect small ball five in terms of build, uh,
skill set, And he's not the pastor Draymond might not.
I don't know if he has the basketball IQE Draymond,
but plays really hard and is a much better athlete
than Draymond um. I just and I think he brings
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you something at both ends which you're right about playmaker,
although Kawhi Leonard is not a playmaker for other people,
but it's because he plays both ends right, right and
and and to that end. So you're taking the number
one pick, and you're basically saying, we're taking him for
I don't know, exclud not not exclusively for his defense.
Would you say primarily for like with the description of
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him as a defensive player is cantalizing because of the
way the game is played. Would you not only would
you take him for that, but if he's the number
one pick, is he going to wrap his mind around
you know, where I need to really put my focus
is being the best defensive player I can be I
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that that's where I'm going to make my mark. Is
he willing to accept that and take that approach? I
don't know, But as we all know, into the league,
the hardest thing is for a rookie to play defense. No,
I agree, But I would also say that that what
he's doing at Duke and how they're playing through R. J.
Barrett most of the time. You know r J. Barrett
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is is what you're talking about, a classic kind of playmaking.
You know, big guard um but but but are J?
But R j. Barrett. I don't know if he can
function without the ball in his hands, not being a
go to guy. Now, look, he may not have to,
But whereas I think Zion, if you put him on
a good team with other good players, he blends in
a whole lot easier. He's already kind of bought into
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the idea of defense. You don't have to get him
to buy into playing defense, much like you do most
rookies who are used to only being offensive players. Yeah, no,
no, no no, I get I get that. I just it's
the dynamic of being the number one pick. I'm looking
at this through the prism of being the number one pick.
And when you become the number one pick, suddenly everything
changes in terms of not just where you are, but
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everybody around you and how you're judged and uh, you know,
like it or not. People look at numbers and so
and they look at offensive numbers more than anything else.
So that's where the pressure of can I be with
the number one pick is supposed to be, which is,
in every way, shape and form, I'm supposed to be
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the best rookie coming into the game in the eyes
of the people that may be judging me fairly or
unfairly and how are they gonna judge me? They're gonna
judge me by my offensive numbers. Rick Peger from Bleacher
Report joining us Doug out Lip Show, Fox Sports Radio.
How bad a loss was that last night for the Lakers? Uh?
Just about as bad, well, maybe worse than the Pelicans
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loss to the Magic. Uh it is, Yeah, it's bad.
You needed something to say, Hey, the Sixers game was
the blip on the screen? Uh, and not the Boston
Celtics was the blip on the screen, or so we
say the second half. I mean, now we look at
the Boston win in a completely different context, which was
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they were getting run in the first half and it
had a lot more to do with Boston than it
had to do with l A And so yeah, I
mean having that kind of lost, and then the worst
part is the timing of it then going into the
All Star break, and there's gonna be a lot of
soul searching, uh in Lakersville as far as who do
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we go forward with and where are we with Lebron
and what messages are being sent back and forth? Do
they come out of the break with the same head coach?
And I don't wish Luke Walton ill in any way.
But this is a different team. Honestly, this is a
different team than the one that he signed up for
or the Lakers hired him to coach. And whether you
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blame him or you don't blame him, it just feels
like the drumbeat is getting louder. It does. It really
does feel that way. Does he make it out of
the All Star Break? That's a great it's a great question.
And I don't know if i've uh put some feelers
out to find out more about that. I haven't. I
haven't plumbed that answer quite yet, but I think it's
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a worthwhile exploration. At this point, it's possible. I think
it's possible that he doesn't. My adds odds are and
I haven't even looked at the schedule. I mean, so
so much of this is there's gonna have to be
some meetings of the mind and they have to find
the big question. And you and I think talked about
it on Monday. It's like the uh, the in and
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the up and down apathy of Lebron James. How much
of that is informing what he wants to see happen
at the head coaching level. And I don't have an
answer for that, but we know the passive, aggressive approach
of Lebron James at time, and it feels it feels
as if some of that is going on right now. Yeah,
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I guess, I guess My question is that's what every
That's what a lot of people say, like, well, it's
obviously Lebron doesn't care that much or doesn't like Luke
or doesn't like how they're all playing, and that's why
he's playing this way. Is it possible that, in an
effort that that we're missing the fact that now, all
of a sudden, he looks thirty four years old, like
a guy who's been in the finals eight con second times, Like,
is there a chance that he's not the same Lebron James? Yeah,
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Or that the weight of carrying this particular team as
young as it is doesn't allow him to be effective
or efficient in the ways that he could when he
had veterans around him that there were ways, because look,
the fact of the matter is he hasn't been playing
hard at both ends throughout the course of the season
for a couple of years now, and knowing when he's
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going to dial it back and when he's going to
go hole hog. I the reality is, even when he's
gone hole hog, it hasn't it hasn't been what it
was I dare say in the Miami days. So h
it's a fair question though, Like what I mean, and
that's you know, that's the other element of this whole
Lakers saga with Lebron is and I always thought it
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was going to be a question like what does he
have left in the tank? What are you going to
see when you as you're as you're waiting to compose
this team around him supposedly to take another playoff or
championship run. What is Lebron going to be by the
time that you get there. And if we're already seeing
indication that he may not be all that Lebron has been,
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then the Lakers may be on a timeline where they
can't they simply can't get this done. It's it's it's
absolutely crazy. Um what about what about the Celtics? Where
are we with the Celtics? Where I think because of
the comments of Marcus Morris and because of the collapse
when Kyrie got hurt the other night, there was this
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thought that wait, maybe all is not right. Then all
of a sudden Gordon Hayward has got a vintage Gordon
Hayward moments last night and then go and beat the Sixers,
And now the questions more about the Sixers, what are
you hearing about what's really going on in Boston. Look,
I was around the Celtics team when they were up
in Portland in November, and what Marcus said last night
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or in the last couple of days is almost identical
what he said then when when we were just having
a conversation about concerns about this team, the attitude of
the team. And I wish I could give you a
definitive answer as to how I feel. The Celtics were
my pick to win it all this year, and I
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still feel as if the champion is going to come
out of the Eastern Conference. But I and having seen
the NBA champions coming out of the East. Yes, the
the level at which I have seen the the Celtics
play when when they decide to play, makes me feel
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good about that. The fact that they can't find and
that that they've found like a rhythm at times, that
that tells me that I'm I'm right in believing that
what they're capable of that they haven't quite figured this out,
and that we keep having these epic collapses for a team.
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It's one thing if the Warriors do it right, because
they've already proved, Look, we know how to win a championship.
Sometimes we just it's not important enough to us. You
can say that still kind of sucks, but okay, we
we get it. The Celtics shouldn't. Shouldn't they don't have
that leeway. You haven't done enough to to be kicking
back and or having these internal the spats about how
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they're going to play. And so I'll only say this,
The only thing that I'm taking away from this is
to have a greater appreciation for guys like Phil Jackson
and Gregg Popovich. And because we went we were so
quick to anoint Brad Stevens and I think he's a
very good coach. But this being able to sort out
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the egos that are big enough to win you a
championship to keep them all on the same page and
on board. That's being able to do that is the
mark of truly great head coaches in the NBA, and
Brad Stevens now is up to the test, is being
tested as to whether he can answer that or not.
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And we'll see. Well. Well, well, I think some people
have already put him in that pantheon of best coach
in the NBA. Are one of the best coaches of
the NBA. He's he's seeing his finals exam right now
whether he truly deserves to be put in that category. Um,
you mentioned you didn't mention the Warriors as champions. What
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do you think is missing in regards to the Warriors?
Why won't they win a championship this year? Defensively, I haven't.
I mean, they're offensive efficiency rating, and not to put
too much emphasis on that, but they're But they're eleven
and even with their their their run of late, offensively
most efficient efficient team in the league, and they can
still dial it up in ways that that is impressive.
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And in some ways the Marcus has helped them on
that front. But and just watching them against the Miami
Heat the other night, Miami Heat got everything they wanted
in the paint. The rotations were bad. They were frustrated
with the Marcus because he was just slower in the
wrong place. They were slow and rotating out. And I
know that they're capable of of dialing it up. My
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question is are they capable of dialing it up to
the level that they have to for fifteen sixteen games,
um or fifteen wins, excuse me, sixteen wins and um
with with where they are right now, and with the
rotation that they have, and where andre iguadala is and
Draymond Green and and honestly, the Marcus Cousins. I just
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I feel is if you know, they they still have
enough firepower that they can overwhelm teams during the regular season.
When we get to the playoffs and it gets a
little more physical, I don't think their offense is going
to be as good. And defensively, I don't know that
being allowed to be more physical is going to change
the uh, the the gaps that they have at the
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defensive end. Well, I mean, it's amazing that you and
I are the only people seem to point out that
DeMarcus Cousins dramatically changes them defensively, right, because if they
play him, now there's two guys that can't switch. Right.
They've always been able to hide Steph as the one
guy that they don't want to have switched. Now there's
two guys and that totally changes the who they are.
And then if they take DeMarcus Cousins out. Now you're
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depending on Andrea Goodala, who's not the same right he
is he has he's been over the hill. Uh during
the regular season in the past couple of years. He
was able to dial it up just enough, although he's
injured most of the postseason last year and now it's
a year removed from that. Like I'm I'm with you.
I think people just assumed that you're adding de Marcus Cousins. One,
he's never played a playoff game. Two he doesn't actually
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make them better defensively and offensively. He's a volume He's
always been a volume guy. And everyone says, well, I'll
be fine with less volume, Like no one ever says
I'm fine with less shots. Every Well, he was four
what he was four for seventeen in their last game
against you saw and uh, you know, the Warriors ended
up closing it out. It just having to look. DeMarcus
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brings something that I've kind of forgotten that he could bring.
I mean, he brings some physicality, he brings some toughness.
He gives them a legitimate screen setter. He's a better,
better passer with quality talent around him than than maybe
I gave him credit for I always I've always been
a DeMarcus Cousins fan. But when we talk about the
playoffs and the level of play and the string that
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you have to be on collectively, I just see I
just see teams playing pick and roll and if they've
got a dynamic five, who uh can First of all,
warriors have to can't fall behind they fall behind them.
They can't put them on the floor because they can't
play that slow. If they do put him on the
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floor and he's out at the three point line, if
you have a dynamic center who is comfortable stepping out
and just getting a hand bothering him a little bit,
that changes his three point percentage, and then at the
other end on the pick and roll his ability to
kind of show and then get back to the big
I mean, Miami just destroyed them with Ben out of bio,
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and you could see the growing frustrations, and DeMarcus was
frustrated to he knew he wasn't getting there. He just
he couldn't do anything about it. Crazy crazy stuff do
got live show here on Fox Sports Radio. Sixers go
out and and add to Bias Harris, but they they
they had chemistry issues before with Jimmy Butler, and now
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they're concerned about hiding JJ Reddick, which has always been
the problem with with JJ Reddick. Defensively, what's the state
of the Sixers look from a talent perspective? Did they
get better? Absolutely? I like the pieces. This is the
danger whenever you think you're you're if you're a title contender.
This is why title contenders and teams that actually played
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for the championship generally don't make significant moves. Even with
the trade deadline moved up. You've got eighteen twenty games
to get everybody on the same page and seeing how
these pieces fit. And while on paper you could say, hey,
look we've improved and this is what it gives us,
and we've got another dynamic wing. Because I don't think
they ever, you know, they ever or didn't realize what
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they were losing when they moved Robert to Covington's and
and even Dario starts in the way that he played.
I mean, I dare say, if you could take it
all back, if somehow they could still have Dario Saris
and Robert Covington rather than going to get Tobias Harrits
with the Sixers prefer that. I think if they, if
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they really were honest, they'd say hell yeah, cause we
knew how those pieces worked. So I look, it doesn't
make them better on paper? Yes, are they going to
figure that? Does it change my view of them in
the hierarchy versus Toronto or the Celtics? No, it does
not great stuff. Last thing, the Knicks have lost seventeen
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in a row and it's pretty obvious that they're tanking. Heck,
you mentioned the Pelicans in their win last night. Pelicans
are tanking. I thought the commissioner was appalled by this
behavior and was trying to write this and change some
of the lottery some of the lottery stuff, and it's
it's not gotten better, it's gotten worse. There has to
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be discussions about this in NBA circles, Doug. The tanking
concerns with the are on par from me with the
tampering concerns. You can't stop. There's and and the idea
that you're gonna legislate it sure of just either doing
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away with the lottery or giving everybody one ping pong
ball it it is. I just don't know how you
change it. And it's the same with tampering. This idea.
We were like I I the NBA is becoming the
n C double A. You're trying to legislate things that
you can't possibly get your arms around. So I hate
to be one of those that says, so why try.
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But in this instance, at the end of the day,
you got you have to show me in the business
model where tanking is hurting the NBA. The second you
show me that. The second you show me that, I'll say,
you know what, they really have to address this because
the league is going to be damaged. But the reality
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is if you have the top teams and they're playing
exciting basketball and you it it, and you have Zion
Williamson's coming along and the dream and wherever it might
be New York or wherever I call it transaction leak.
Now that nobody sells hope the way the NBA does,
that's really what it is, because that watching the actual game,
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it's the hope of we could get a D, or
we could get Zion, or we could get our J
or or we could get k D. It's like, that's
what everybody gets excited about. Everybody's a fantasy GM out there.
So are there games that are dogs and that we
don't tune into absolutely. Is it impacting the NBA and
their money making process? I don't think so. Great stuff
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and Rick Buker check out his podcast UM and check out,
of course, all of his work at Bleacher Report. Buke
thanks so much for joining us. Man enjoy All Star weekend.
We'll talk very very soon. Be sure to catch live
edition so the Doug Dot Leaps show week days in
noon eastern three pm Pacific when he have Hunt talks,
people listen. Jay Glazer is the E. F. Hutton of
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the National Football Like, Jay Glazier's longtime NFO insider, and
I don't remember Ja breaking a story with exception of
who's playing, not who's not playing. But that doesn't mean
that Jay doesn't know. And what Jay does is he knows,
but he's not going to reveal his sources. He doesn't
want to sour relationships, and so he oftentimes hands them
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off to other people who work at Fox or he
insinuates sometimes things, and every once in a while he
gives you a gem. And he's so good at it
that for what feels like twenty years, I think it's
twenty years the NFL on Fox, he's been the guy
because he's E. F. Hutton when he talks people. Listen.
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This from Jay Glazier's mail bag. Jay, give us some
bold predictions about the NFL offseason. Give us a free
agent signing trade or another bold prediction. Thanks Robert P.
I predict Oldell Beckham Jr. Gets treated this off season.
I think that's bold enough by Jay Glazer. That's not
a rumor, that's a prediction from E. F. Hutton, Right,
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he just volunteered it, served it up. And I told
you last year this time, I didn't understand the Giants
stance on Odell Beckham Jr. Now, last year, this time
actually was shortly before he got caught in a room
or there's the video of him in a room with
a girl looked like cocaine. And then you know, they
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talked tough and talked about trading him, and you know,
talked about how he represented the Giants and YadA, YadA, YadA.
Then three months after the NFL Draft, he apparently on
good behavior. They're like, Wow, he's been a really good
teammate at O T A S. We're gonna give him
a huge contract. And they were rewarded with the same
type of uneven play were rewarded with a guy who
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went put on the hands team chose a business decision
instead of securing a win, and an on side kick.
Odell Beckham Jr. Is everything you think. He is incredibly, immensely,
remarkably talented, but much more concerned with the image of
Odell Beckham Jr. Than he is with winning football games.
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And when you look at the Patriots who won without
anyone who could even make the Giants outside the numbers, right,
you understand why this is reasonable. Remember, his new contract
doesn't take effect till this year, so it allows them
to get out from under that contract, which is going
to be an albatross. And it admits that they made
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a mistake and given it to him, and it's a
mistake that somebody else might be willing to make. But
do I believe that this is just something that Jake
Glazer flippantly said? No, I do not, because when Jay
Glazers talks, people listen, people listen, and I will I
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will tell you. Am I surprised by it? Yeah? Yeah,
because guys so oftentimes they won't at mistakes, right, that's
the that's the guys, one oh one. We don't admit mistakes.
We don't say that we're lost. We just took a
different route, especially when this is Dave Gentleman's baby. This
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is his contract that he offered up, that they signed.
But Jay Glazer is as he's just as tied in
as Adam Schefter is. He just doesn't choose to break
every story because he'll break big stories, huge ones, and
allows him to keep the relationships he has instead of
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being a guy who's constantly onto. It allows him to
have a life, have a gym, allows him to, you know,
to to train some of these guys. He's not gonna
not gonna violate that trust. But when he's got a
big one, when he's got a glaze bomb like that,
he just happens to pull it into and put it
into a mail bag column. It feels like we know
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how this ends.
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projects in the NBA with Rick Buker, NBA Insider from
bleacher Report. Also, how bad are things in l A
As the Lakers lose to the Hawks before a a
prolonged All Star break for lebron and the Boys. We'll
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get to that. But the news of the day is, well,
there's lots of news of the day. There's talk of
a trade that might happen in the Big Apple. Uh,
there's there's all kinds of discussions about Antonio Brown. But
the trade that did happen, it was a couple of
hours ago and it won't become official. They won't be
able to comment on it until the new football year
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begins in March. But Joe Flacco is going to be
a Denver Bronco. And here here's what you're going to
hear from a lot of people. Uh, John Elway, what
is he doing? Other Ravens? They killed it with Lamar Jackson.
What a great move. Clear out Flacco and and you
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get Lamar Jackson. And I'm here to tell you I
think this is the best possible scenario for the Denver Broncos.
It's the best possible scenario. Joe Flacco is not a
great quarterback. I'm not gonna sit here and tell you
that he's that. He's going to see a research into
his career the way that Peyton Manning did when he
was there. He's not John Elway at the start or
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at the end of his career. No, but Joe Flacco
is exactly what you think he is. He has the
perfect name, Joe, Joe's average. If I said Joe was mediocre,
you would say that means he stinks, right, But mediocre
means average. That's what it actually means. And my guess
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is that John Elway has sat there and said, I
won a Super Bowl as a general manager with Peyton
Manning as my quarterback who was below average. I want
a Super Bowl as a player two times late in
my career and I was average at best the way
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and Tom Brady just won a Super Bowl. And how
was his play? He threw two should have been three
picks in the ABC Championship Game, he fumbled into a
pick in the Super Bowl. He was by anybody's estimation
average at best this season, he wasn't spectacular. Like the
way in which you win in the National Football League
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is when you have a quarterback that's not making a
crazy amount of money and you're able to beat a
team with a roster and a philosophy. I think the
Broncos killed it today. This is the best possible scenario
for them. Like, look, could I sit there and and
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and nitpick and say, well, you know, had you called
the Philadelphia Eagles, maybe they have Maybe they have a
quarterback who's better than Flacco right now. On the other hand,
the ups and downs of their backup quarterback is Joe
Flacco has been the same. He was the same guy
before he won a Super Bowl. He was a little
bit worse at times. After the Super Bowl. He had
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the bad back. He has been a little bit injured.
But for the most part, Joe Flacco's touchdowns twelve to
fifteen interceptions and if you consider he has a huge arm,
don't believe me in a seventy yard pass that end
up beating the Broncos and keeping Peyton Manning from winning
a Super Bowl when he still had some juice in
the tank, or Kevin getting to a Super Bowl probably
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their best team. Altitude will help his arm. They do
have a good young talent base. They're they're good at
Philip Lindsay at running back. They drafted a very good
wide receiver like that's a pretty good football team that's
still has Von Miller and has reconfigured their defense where
they think, you know what we're I think the Denver
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Broncos did really well, whereas the Baltimore Ravens. We knew
this was coming, We knew it was going to be
Lamar Jackson's team. But what more do you need to
see from the Chargers game and from these type of
offenses that leads you to not think that Lamar Jackson
is going to regress in year two because the limitations
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of what Lamar Jackson is either you run the same offense,
which people figure out and unless you can dominate somebody defensively.
You know, anytime he forced into third and long, you're
feeling really good about yourself. Or you try and make
him into more of a traditional quarterback, which is not
who he is or what he does. If you're run
him like you're in him last year, he's gonna get hurt.
If you haven't dropped back and throw thirty five times,
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it's not going to be good. I kind of feel
like the I feel like the Ravens. They did what
they had to do, what they were forced to do,
and maybe the way to make this work is to
get another Lamar Jackson type to back him up, assuming
that there's going to be a time in which you're
gonna need somebody else other than our G three to
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be a backup. But the defaming of Joe Flacco, who
holds every record for the Baltimore Ravens as won a
Super Bowl, and I'm not gonna sit here and tell
you I'm not I'm I'm not on a on a
pulpit telling you he's a top ten, top fifteen, definitely quarterback.
You could do a lot worse, and the Broncos have
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done a lot worse. I've always said this in regards
to the quarterback market. It's the exact same thing as
what the Minnesota Vikings did last year when they got
Kirk Cousins. What else is out there? Everybody says, why
don't you go get an elite quarterback? Hey, it's not
easy to draft a star quarterback. Those guys are hard
to get. It is a hit and miss proposition. And
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even when you hit on the quarterback, you don't necessarily
win right away. Like the Jets hit on a quarterback,
were they good? Oh? The Browns hit on a quarterback.
They still won seven games this year. Granted some of
that was the coaching change. And that's a team that's
drafted well and drafted high the last bunch of years.
Like there's still a learning curve in the National Football
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Like it takes a couple of years. Whereas the Broncos
now bought themselves some quality time and in terms of
who's out there on the market, they probably got the
best guy. So you can sit here and tell me
Joe Vlagos stinks. He doesn't stink. He's a good quarter's fine,
he's fine. And you know what, the Broncos have been
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able to prove When John Elway won a couple of
Super Bowls, he wasn't at the height of his powers.
People forget when John Elway was great, they got blown
out in the Super Bowl. Why because they didn't have
a good team around him when he wasn't great. When
he was at the end of his run, he was
kind of banged up and he didn't have the same arm.
That's when they had to roll Davis. That's when they
had a great defense. That's an incredible offensive line. You
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get cost certainty at quarterback case Keenum returns back to
being a backup, which is what he is now. You
got to you have a decent a solid starter and
a very good backup. You got a you got a
young running back. You've got an improved offensive line. Like
I kind of think the Broncos did a great thing today.
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Remember the Raiders are sitting there in reset mode. The
Chargers are loaded, but they have no succession plan for
whenever Philip Rivers starts to fade. And the Kansas City Chiefs,
who are arguably along with the Charge. You know, a
couple of the best teams in football. We know they
have no defense, and at some point the very near future,
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they're gonna have to pay Pat Mahomes. Look at the
teams that have been the most successful, and they all
have something in common. How are the How are the
Rams able to have this great roster because they got
a quarterback under a rookie deal. You're not gonna have
to pay Joe Flacco, Joe Flacco Super Bowl MVP money.
You don't have to this, by the way, was the
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move that con Kaepernick could have made, taking less money
playing for the Broncos and betting on himself, which is
what Flacco is gonna have to do. So I get
that the Internet will tell you that this is a
terrible move for John Elway, who has no idea how
to evaluate the quarterback position. But instead of evaluating the
quarterback position as he previously did, which is try and
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judge guys in college how they'll be as pros with
the Paxton Lynches of the world and the brock Oswilers
of the world, instead he got a Joe Flacco. Joe
Flack was not great. Joe Flacco was not terrible. Joe
Flacco is just like his first name, very very average Joe.
But in the NFL, you get the cost certainty of
a guy who has played in the playoffs, in tough
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playoff games, and you know he's not gonna be too
nervous to perform, and you're gonna get him at half
the rate of the elite quarterbacks. Even if he has
half the skill of the elite quarterbacks, that's good enough
if you can get a good enough team around him.
I feel like the day is a huge win for
the Denver Broncos. Where's the Baltimore Ravens. You can expect
It's reasonable to expect massive regression as people figure out
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that offense over the off season, and they're going to
challenge Lamar Jackson to do some things that he's not
comfortable doing. Be sure to catch live editions of The
Doug dot Leap Show week days at noon eastern three
pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart
Radio app. Rick Buker, who joins us from Bleacher Report,
what are people around the NBA think of the potential
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of Zion based upon what they've seen so far this year? Well,
it's funny how you you know, automatically made him the
number one pick, and I just you know what what
I hear is, Yeah, he may end up that depending
on what the market is, depending on who the owner is.
The phenomenon of Zion Williamson may get him there. But
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for many of the reasons that you just stated, you know,
Marant and RJ. Barrett are are considered to be right
in the mix, and ultimately we'll see, we'll see where
it goes. I mean, this is this is what happens
now where a guy is escalated to stratospheric heights before
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he ever plays a minute in the n b A
and then it's like, oh wait, he has to be
a superstar by NBA rules, not by collegiate rules, and
it is quite the different thing. And I'll say, if
you're building around a guy and he's not a playmaker,
it automatically, in my mind, takes him down. And not
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because now I need he's not independent, you know, and
Lebron was a playmaker coming in. Uh, so you know
just how far he rises and whether he actually is
the number one pick. I still think there's some open
debate on that. I would I probably would have agreed
with you had I not seen him in person. And
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I just and I also think that how many teams
in the NBA want, like, man, if we just find
a small ball five that could play and he's he's
the perfect small ball five in terms of build, uh,
skill set, And he's not the pastor Draymond might not.
I don't know if he has the basketball IQE Draymond,
but plays really hard and is a much better athlete
than Draymond um. I just and I think he brings
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you something at both ends which you're right about playmaker,
although Kawhi Leonard is not a playmaker for other people,
but it's because he plays both ends right, right and
and and to that end. So you're taking the number
one pick, and you're basically saying, we're taking him for
I don't know, exclud not not exclusively for his defense.
Would you say primarily for like with the description of
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him as a defensive player is cantalizing because of the
way the game is played. Would you not only would
you take him for that, but if he's the number
one pick, is he going to wrap his mind around
you know, where I need to really put my focus
is being the best defensive player I can be I
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that that's where I'm going to make my mark. Is
he willing to accept that and take that approach? I
don't know, But as we all know, into the league,
the hardest thing is for a rookie to play defense. No,
I agree, But I would also say that that what
he's doing at Duke and how they're playing through R. J.
Barrett most of the time. You know r J. Barrett
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is is what you're talking about, a classic kind of playmaking.
You know, big guard um but but but are J?
But R j. Barrett. I don't know if he can
function without the ball in his hands, not being a
go to guy. Now, look, he may not have to,
But whereas I think Zion, if you put him on
a good team with other good players, he blends in
a whole lot easier. He's already kind of bought into
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the idea of defense. You don't have to get him
to buy into playing defense, much like you do most
rookies who are used to only being offensive players. Yeah, no,
no, no no, I get I get that. I just it's
the dynamic of being the number one pick. I'm looking
at this through the prism of being the number one pick.
And when you become the number one pick, suddenly everything
changes in terms of not just where you are, but
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everybody around you and how you're judged and uh, you know,
like it or not. People look at numbers and so
and they look at offensive numbers more than anything else.
So that's where the pressure of can I be with
the number one pick is supposed to be, which is,
in every way, shape and form, I'm supposed to be
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the best rookie coming into the game in the eyes
of the people that may be judging me fairly or
unfairly and how are they gonna judge me? They're gonna
judge me by my offensive numbers. Rick Peger from Bleacher
Report joining us Doug out Lip Show, Fox Sports Radio.
How bad a loss was that last night for the Lakers? Uh?
Just about as bad, well, maybe worse than the Pelicans
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loss to the Magic. Uh it is, Yeah, it's bad.
You needed something to say, Hey, the Sixers game was
the blip on the screen? Uh, and not the Boston
Celtics was the blip on the screen, or so we
say the second half. I mean, now we look at
the Boston win in a completely different context, which was
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they were getting run in the first half and it
had a lot more to do with Boston than it
had to do with l A And so yeah, I
mean having that kind of lost, and then the worst
part is the timing of it then going into the
All Star break, and there's gonna be a lot of
soul searching, uh in Lakersville as far as who do
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we go forward with and where are we with Lebron
and what messages are being sent back and forth? Do
they come out of the break with the same head coach?
And I don't wish Luke Walton ill in any way.
But this is a different team. Honestly, this is a
different team than the one that he signed up for
or the Lakers hired him to coach. And whether you
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blame him or you don't blame him, it just feels
like the drumbeat is getting louder. It does. It really
does feel that way. Does he make it out of
the All Star Break? That's a great it's a great question.
And I don't know if i've uh put some feelers
out to find out more about that. I haven't. I
haven't plumbed that answer quite yet, but I think it's
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a worthwhile exploration. At this point, it's possible. I think
it's possible that he doesn't. My adds odds are and
I haven't even looked at the schedule. I mean, so
so much of this is there's gonna have to be
some meetings of the mind and they have to find
the big question. And you and I think talked about
it on Monday. It's like the uh, the in and
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the up and down apathy of Lebron James. How much
of that is informing what he wants to see happen
at the head coaching level. And I don't have an
answer for that, but we know the passive, aggressive approach
of Lebron James at time, and it feels it feels
as if some of that is going on right now. Yeah,
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I guess, I guess My question is that's what every
That's what a lot of people say, like, well, it's
obviously Lebron doesn't care that much or doesn't like Luke
or doesn't like how they're all playing, and that's why
he's playing this way. Is it possible that, in an
effort that that we're missing the fact that now, all
of a sudden, he looks thirty four years old, like
a guy who's been in the finals eight con second times, Like,
is there a chance that he's not the same Lebron James? Yeah,
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Or that the weight of carrying this particular team as
young as it is doesn't allow him to be effective
or efficient in the ways that he could when he
had veterans around him that there were ways, because look,
the fact of the matter is he hasn't been playing
hard at both ends throughout the course of the season
for a couple of years now, and knowing when he's
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going to dial it back and when he's going to
go hole hog. I the reality is, even when he's
gone hole hog, it hasn't it hasn't been what it
was I dare say in the Miami days. So h
it's a fair question though, Like what I mean, and
that's you know, that's the other element of this whole
Lakers saga with Lebron is and I always thought it
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was going to be a question like what does he
have left in the tank? What are you going to
see when you as you're as you're waiting to compose
this team around him supposedly to take another playoff or
championship run. What is Lebron going to be by the
time that you get there. And if we're already seeing
indication that he may not be all that Lebron has been,
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then the Lakers may be on a timeline where they
can't they simply can't get this done. It's it's it's
absolutely crazy. Um what about what about the Celtics? Where
are we with the Celtics? Where I think because of
the comments of Marcus Morris and because of the collapse
when Kyrie got hurt the other night, there was this
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thought that wait, maybe all is not right. Then all
of a sudden Gordon Hayward has got a vintage Gordon
Hayward moments last night and then go and beat the Sixers,
And now the questions more about the Sixers, what are
you hearing about what's really going on in Boston. Look,
I was around the Celtics team when they were up
in Portland in November, and what Marcus said last night
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or in the last couple of days is almost identical
what he said then when when we were just having
a conversation about concerns about this team, the attitude of
the team. And I wish I could give you a
definitive answer as to how I feel. The Celtics were
my pick to win it all this year, and I
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still feel as if the champion is going to come
out of the Eastern Conference. But I and having seen
the NBA champions coming out of the East. Yes, the
the level at which I have seen the the Celtics
play when when they decide to play, makes me feel
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good about that. The fact that they can't find and
that that they've found like a rhythm at times, that
that tells me that I'm I'm right in believing that
what they're capable of that they haven't quite figured this out,
and that we keep having these epic collapses for a team.
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It's one thing if the Warriors do it right, because
they've already proved, Look, we know how to win a championship.
Sometimes we just it's not important enough to us. You
can say that still kind of sucks, but okay, we
we get it. The Celtics shouldn't. Shouldn't they don't have
that leeway. You haven't done enough to to be kicking
back and or having these internal the spats about how
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they're going to play. And so I'll only say this,
The only thing that I'm taking away from this is
to have a greater appreciation for guys like Phil Jackson
and Gregg Popovich. And because we went we were so
quick to anoint Brad Stevens and I think he's a
very good coach. But this being able to sort out
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the egos that are big enough to win you a
championship to keep them all on the same page and
on board. That's being able to do that is the
mark of truly great head coaches in the NBA, and
Brad Stevens now is up to the test, is being
tested as to whether he can answer that or not.
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And we'll see. Well. Well, well, I think some people
have already put him in that pantheon of best coach
in the NBA. Are one of the best coaches of
the NBA. He's he's seeing his finals exam right now
whether he truly deserves to be put in that category. Um,
you mentioned you didn't mention the Warriors as champions. What
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do you think is missing in regards to the Warriors?
Why won't they win a championship this year? Defensively, I haven't.
I mean, they're offensive efficiency rating, and not to put
too much emphasis on that, but they're But they're eleven
and even with their their their run of late, offensively
most efficient efficient team in the league, and they can
still dial it up in ways that that is impressive.
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And in some ways the Marcus has helped them on
that front. But and just watching them against the Miami
Heat the other night, Miami Heat got everything they wanted
in the paint. The rotations were bad. They were frustrated
with the Marcus because he was just slower in the
wrong place. They were slow and rotating out. And I
know that they're capable of of dialing it up. My
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question is are they capable of dialing it up to
the level that they have to for fifteen sixteen games,
um or fifteen wins, excuse me, sixteen wins and um
with with where they are right now, and with the
rotation that they have, and where andre iguadala is and
Draymond Green and and honestly, the Marcus Cousins. I just
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I feel is if you know, they they still have
enough firepower that they can overwhelm teams during the regular season.
When we get to the playoffs and it gets a
little more physical, I don't think their offense is going
to be as good. And defensively, I don't know that
being allowed to be more physical is going to change
the uh, the the gaps that they have at the
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defensive end. Well, I mean, it's amazing that you and
I are the only people seem to point out that
DeMarcus Cousins dramatically changes them defensively, right, because if they
play him, now there's two guys that can't switch. Right.
They've always been able to hide Steph as the one
guy that they don't want to have switched. Now there's
two guys and that totally changes the who they are.
And then if they take DeMarcus Cousins out. Now you're
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depending on Andrea Goodala, who's not the same right he
is he has he's been over the hill. Uh during
the regular season in the past couple of years. He
was able to dial it up just enough, although he's
injured most of the postseason last year and now it's
a year removed from that. Like I'm I'm with you.
I think people just assumed that you're adding de Marcus Cousins. One,
he's never played a playoff game. Two he doesn't actually
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make them better defensively and offensively. He's a volume He's
always been a volume guy. And everyone says, well, I'll
be fine with less volume, Like no one ever says
I'm fine with less shots. Every Well, he was four
what he was four for seventeen in their last game
against you saw and uh, you know, the Warriors ended
up closing it out. It just having to look. DeMarcus
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brings something that I've kind of forgotten that he could bring.
I mean, he brings some physicality, he brings some toughness.
He gives them a legitimate screen setter. He's a better,
better passer with quality talent around him than than maybe
I gave him credit for I always I've always been
a DeMarcus Cousins fan. But when we talk about the
playoffs and the level of play and the string that
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you have to be on collectively, I just see I
just see teams playing pick and roll and if they've
got a dynamic five, who uh can First of all,
warriors have to can't fall behind they fall behind them.
They can't put them on the floor because they can't
play that slow. If they do put him on the
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floor and he's out at the three point line, if
you have a dynamic center who is comfortable stepping out
and just getting a hand bothering him a little bit,
that changes his three point percentage, and then at the
other end on the pick and roll his ability to
kind of show and then get back to the big
I mean, Miami just destroyed them with Ben out of bio,
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and you could see the growing frustrations, and DeMarcus was
frustrated to he knew he wasn't getting there. He just
he couldn't do anything about it. Crazy crazy stuff do
got live show here on Fox Sports Radio. Sixers go
out and and add to Bias Harris, but they they
they had chemistry issues before with Jimmy Butler, and now
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they're concerned about hiding JJ Reddick, which has always been
the problem with with JJ Reddick. Defensively, what's the state
of the Sixers look from a talent perspective? Did they
get better? Absolutely? I like the pieces. This is the
danger whenever you think you're you're if you're a title contender.
This is why title contenders and teams that actually played
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for the championship generally don't make significant moves. Even with
the trade deadline moved up. You've got eighteen twenty games
to get everybody on the same page and seeing how
these pieces fit. And while on paper you could say, hey,
look we've improved and this is what it gives us,
and we've got another dynamic wing. Because I don't think
they ever, you know, they ever or didn't realize what
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they were losing when they moved Robert to Covington's and
and even Dario starts in the way that he played.
I mean, I dare say, if you could take it
all back, if somehow they could still have Dario Saris
and Robert Covington rather than going to get Tobias Harrits
with the Sixers prefer that. I think if they, if
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they really were honest, they'd say hell yeah, cause we
knew how those pieces worked. So I look, it doesn't
make them better on paper? Yes, are they going to
figure that? Does it change my view of them in
the hierarchy versus Toronto or the Celtics? No, it does
not great stuff. Last thing, the Knicks have lost seventeen
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in a row and it's pretty obvious that they're tanking. Heck,
you mentioned the Pelicans in their win last night. Pelicans
are tanking. I thought the commissioner was appalled by this
behavior and was trying to write this and change some
of the lottery some of the lottery stuff, and it's
it's not gotten better, it's gotten worse. There has to
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be discussions about this in NBA circles, Doug. The tanking
concerns with the are on par from me with the
tampering concerns. You can't stop. There's and and the idea
that you're gonna legislate it sure of just either doing
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away with the lottery or giving everybody one ping pong
ball it it is. I just don't know how you
change it. And it's the same with tampering. This idea.
We were like I I the NBA is becoming the
n C double A. You're trying to legislate things that
you can't possibly get your arms around. So I hate
to be one of those that says, so why try.
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But in this instance, at the end of the day,
you got you have to show me in the business
model where tanking is hurting the NBA. The second you
show me that. The second you show me that, I'll say,
you know what, they really have to address this because
the league is going to be damaged. But the reality
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is if you have the top teams and they're playing
exciting basketball and you it it, and you have Zion
Williamson's coming along and the dream and wherever it might
be New York or wherever I call it transaction leak.
Now that nobody sells hope the way the NBA does,
that's really what it is, because that watching the actual game,
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it's the hope of we could get a D, or
we could get Zion, or we could get our J
or or we could get k D. It's like, that's
what everybody gets excited about. Everybody's a fantasy GM out there.
So are there games that are dogs and that we
don't tune into absolutely. Is it impacting the NBA and
their money making process? I don't think so. Great stuff
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and Rick Buker check out his podcast UM and check out,
of course, all of his work at Bleacher Report. Buke
thanks so much for joining us. Man enjoy All Star weekend.
We'll talk very very soon. Be sure to catch live
edition so the Doug Dot Leaps show week days in
noon eastern three pm Pacific when he have Hunt talks,
people listen. Jay Glazer is the E. F. Hutton of
(29:52):
the National Football Like, Jay Glazier's longtime NFO insider, and
I don't remember Ja breaking a story with exception of
who's playing, not who's not playing. But that doesn't mean
that Jay doesn't know. And what Jay does is he knows,
but he's not going to reveal his sources. He doesn't
want to sour relationships, and so he oftentimes hands them
(30:13):
off to other people who work at Fox or he
insinuates sometimes things, and every once in a while he
gives you a gem. And he's so good at it
that for what feels like twenty years, I think it's
twenty years the NFL on Fox, he's been the guy
because he's E. F. Hutton when he talks people. Listen.
(30:35):
This from Jay Glazier's mail bag. Jay, give us some
bold predictions about the NFL offseason. Give us a free
agent signing trade or another bold prediction. Thanks Robert P.
I predict Oldell Beckham Jr. Gets treated this off season.
I think that's bold enough by Jay Glazer. That's not
a rumor, that's a prediction from E. F. Hutton, Right,
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he just volunteered it, served it up. And I told
you last year this time, I didn't understand the Giants
stance on Odell Beckham Jr. Now, last year, this time
actually was shortly before he got caught in a room
or there's the video of him in a room with
a girl looked like cocaine. And then you know, they
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talked tough and talked about trading him, and you know,
talked about how he represented the Giants and YadA, YadA, YadA.
Then three months after the NFL Draft, he apparently on
good behavior. They're like, Wow, he's been a really good
teammate at O T A S. We're gonna give him
a huge contract. And they were rewarded with the same
type of uneven play were rewarded with a guy who
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went put on the hands team chose a business decision
instead of securing a win, and an on side kick.
Odell Beckham Jr. Is everything you think. He is incredibly, immensely,
remarkably talented, but much more concerned with the image of
Odell Beckham Jr. Than he is with winning football games.
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And when you look at the Patriots who won without
anyone who could even make the Giants outside the numbers, right,
you understand why this is reasonable. Remember, his new contract
doesn't take effect till this year, so it allows them
to get out from under that contract, which is going
to be an albatross. And it admits that they made
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a mistake and given it to him, and it's a
mistake that somebody else might be willing to make. But
do I believe that this is just something that Jake
Glazer flippantly said? No, I do not, because when Jay
Glazers talks, people listen, people listen, and I will I
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will tell you. Am I surprised by it? Yeah? Yeah,
because guys so oftentimes they won't at mistakes, right, that's
the that's the guys, one oh one. We don't admit mistakes.
We don't say that we're lost. We just took a
different route, especially when this is Dave Gentleman's baby. This
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is his contract that he offered up, that they signed.
But Jay Glazer is as he's just as tied in
as Adam Schefter is. He just doesn't choose to break
every story because he'll break big stories, huge ones, and
allows him to keep the relationships he has instead of
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being a guy who's constantly onto. It allows him to
have a life, have a gym, allows him to, you know,
to to train some of these guys. He's not gonna
not gonna violate that trust. But when he's got a
big one, when he's got a glaze bomb like that,
he just happens to pull it into and put it
into a mail bag column. It feels like we know
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how this ends.
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