February 15, 2019 • 26 mins
Doug reacts to the NFL and Colin Kaepernick agreeing on a confidential settlement in regards to Kaepernick's collusion lawsuit. He talks to Scott Kushner from the Advocate in New Orleans to discuss the Pelicans firing general manager Dell Demps. Plus, 3 time Super Bowl Champion Mark Schlereth joins the show to tell Doug whether or not Kaepernick will ever play in the NFL again.
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What Up America, Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. It
is not a news dumb Friday. No, no, no, no, no, no, no,
not even close, man, not even close. I mean, whoa
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what a Friday we have for you here on the
Doug got Lip Show on Fox Sports Radio. Because uh,
we thought Del Demps being traded, being being fired was
the story of the day after the dumpster fire comment
from from his head coach going back to last night.
But no, that's not actually the story of the day now,
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not even close. Um. We're just kind of blown away
here by exactly what has taken place in the National
Football League and trying to figure out what does it
mean for the future. I'll get to it one second, obviously,
revolves around Colin Kaepernick and a settlement that was just
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just reached by the NFL and Colin Kaepernick and Eric Rei.
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choose NBA Champion, his take on Del Demps being fired,
why that took place earlier today, our reaction to the
mess that is New Orleans Pelicans, and the really bizarre
and kind of ugly scene where Anthony Davis gets uh hurt?
Do the finger things hurt? Early in the game last
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night against the Oycloma City Thunder gets an m R
I and then leaves the building, doesn't return to the bench,
leaves the building with his agent who just happened to
be in town. All right, we'll get to that upcoming
in fifteen minutes. We got him Antonio Brown news to
to share with you. But let's not let's not bury
the lead. The lead is the NFL has reached a
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settlement agreement in the collusion case against the league which
was made by UH which was made by Eric Reid
and Colin Kaepernick. The grievance has been reached after a
drawn out process over the last two years. Kaepernick Eric
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Reads collusion case against the NFL has officially come to
an end. Earlier this afternoon, Mark Garrigos, who's the lawyer
for Kaepernick and Read, and the NFL put out a
statement saying they had put the officially resolved. The matter.
Terms were not revealed and they will not see the
light of the day because of a confidentiality agreement. Quote.
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For the past several months, counsel for Mr Kaepernick and
Mr Reid have engaged in an ongoing dialogue with the
representative of the representatives of the NFL. As a result
of those discussions, the parties have decided to resolve the
pending grievances and the resolution is a matter subject to
confidentiality agreement. So so there will be no further comment.
I could go on and on and on, all right,
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but it is funny that there's this assumption that Colin
Colin Kaepernick would have made X money. We don't know
what he would have made. We don't know what his
value would have been. We only know that he's not
been in Nation Football like And what's interesting about this
is this comes on the heels of the story that
was least yesterday, which is the a a F, the
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Alliance Alliance of American Football had reached out to Kaepernick
and Tim Tebow and been rebuffed on both accounts, and
Kaepernick reportedly had asked for twenty million dollars and look
earlier today, I co hosted the Dan Patrick Show, and
I said, I understand the ask. I understand asking for
far more money than anybody else in the league because
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not just you were starting quarterback in the NFL and
went to a super Bowl, but also because he's got
a huge name. Like him or not like him, positive
or negative press, whatever, he has a huge name, one
that would make the American Football Alliance of American Football.
He would. On the other hand, it sounds like he
asked for too much, and maybe it's because he knew
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that he had this as a possibility. As for the
details of the settlement, which you have not come out,
I've seen Mike Freeman tweet that he's he's heard between
sixt a million dollars. Now, remember million is between two clients.
We don't know the split of the two. You know.
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Also there's the assumption that the lawyers get their fees.
And even if he ends up getting say it's low
end sixty and he ends up getting a seventy thirty
split with Eric Reid, maybe even more split combined with
whatever he has to pay the lawyer, is that worth it, Well,
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it's worth it if you're never gonna if you're going
to play football again. If not, I think here's what happens.
We all have, we all have our inherent biases in
regards to how we thought this would play out. And
if you like Kaepernick, you walk in going want to win. See,
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the NFL knew they had a losing case, and so
they settled and kaeperni gets his money, and this thing
keeps quiet, and now they can't clude against him. He
can play in the National Football League. And if you're
against Kaepernick, very simple, you sit there and go like, see,
wasn't about anything, but the buyout wasn't about anything but
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collecting a check. This dude doesn't want to play in
the NFL. He just got himself a big fat check
that he can do whatever he wants with when the
truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Of course, the
NFL wants to settle this thing. They don't the problem
with even if, even if the settlement was a quarter
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of whatever they whatever they paid him, and who knows
what the amount actually is. Who knows. The fact is
that once once the uh, once the deliberations occur, now
of a sudden that becomes public record, and everything, all
the information gained in the collusion case, the full disclosure
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becomes public knowledge. Now all this stuff, all the text
men just between owners, all the email correspondence between the commissioner,
all the phone calls, any of the investigation gets buried away.
That's what you're paying for. That's what you're paying for.
And while you can sit here and go, hey, Colin Kaepernick,
where's the virtue just taking a paycheck? You know? So
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to keep his mouth shut, I would point out that
the likelihood is and I don't love Colin Kaepernick, the quarterback,
and I do find it odd that he hasn't said
anything in regards to the movement that he started. On
the other hand, like look, I'm not blind, deaf or dumb.
He's done good works with his money, and my guess
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is whatever money that he's obtained, a portion of it
will be put towards good works, because that seems to
be the kind of guy he is. That doesn't seem
to be phony. So it's it's exactly what you think
it is. It's what we hate in sports. It's a tie.
It gives us no winner, it gives us no loser. Essentially,
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everybody loses. The NFL loses because there's the assumption that
they settled a losing case. If they're gonna win, why
not just go to the mattresses and hey, we did
nothing wrong. Let's let this thing play out. The NFL
becomes losers. Kaepernick becomes a loser because if the effort
was to get your job back and to expose the
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NFL for concluding against you, why would no amount of
money is enough none for the fact that you can't
play in the National Football League. Kaepernick ends up losing.
On the other hand, Kaepernick did win because he didn't lose.
He did fight the man and got some sort of
monetary benefit. And oh yeah, by the way, there's the
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assumption that the NFL did something wrong. So he won there,
and the NFL wins because they put this thing to
rest because all their information goes back to being private,
and they did not lose this case. They could walk
around saying like, look, we didn't collude against him, Yes
you did know, we didn't. There is no summary judgment
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that says we colluded against Colin Kaepernick. No, we did not.
This is just like, this is just as unsatisfying as
any tie you've seen in the National Football League. Ties stink.
They make sense because they bring finality to it. At
some point, a game has to end, at some point
a lawsuit has to end. And this is really really
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smart on both sides, especially in the NFL side. Like
this happens in divorce. You know, could I hire a
forensic accountant and find out exactly what she's been doing
or what he's been doing with all of our money?
He's got it tied up in a bunch of businesses.
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Could I figure out what he's been hiding? Sure, but
hiring a friends account is expensive. Every time I call
my divorce attorney, it's expensive. And at some point we
just settle and set up for a tie. Enough is enough,
Enough becomes enough. So here's my question to you in
your mind, who won, who lost? And maybe more importantly,
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it's Colin Kaepernick play in the NFL again, Because if
you said, if you sue, you don't play in the NFL,
how come Eric Reid sued and now, of course has
reached a settlement and has signed a deal in the NFL.
On the other hand, if he made a boatload of money,
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maybe this is go away, don't come back. We don't
even want to hear you about you in the NFL.
That's part of a part of said agreement. Eight seven
seven fox eight seven seven six three six nine. I do,
in fact want your opinion. I'm supposed to sit here
and tell you that I know what what's behind sealing documents,
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and I don't know. I do know that Colin Kaepernick
bet on himself by not taking a pay cut to
play with the Broncos, and though his stats were good,
his team was awful, and I don't know what his
true NFL future would have been back then. I also
know that his girlfriend sent out that that Instagram meme
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lining Steve Bashotti to a slave, a slave master, slave
owner from Django unchained. On the other hand, I also
know that I don't know if the NFL didn't think
they did anything wrong when they see this thing out.
But do you want to protect all the information which
is which you're able to obtain when you have a
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grievance against the league. I'd love to sit here and
tell you I know, but I don't know. I think
he never plays again. But there's a sense from other
people like, hey, look, if Eric Read's playing, why can't
he play. I think it's different at quarterback. I think
once you sit a second year. I think the fact
that he struggled with what it took to be a
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starter may mean he'll struggle to what it takes to
be a backup. It doesn't change the distraction factor. I
think he's done. But I don't think that this was
simply a money grab. I'm guessing that he puts all
that money to pretty good use and and this becomes
what Colin Kaepernick is two point oh, But I don't
know that. Be sure to catch live editions of The
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Doug dot Leap Show week days in noon eastern three
pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart
Radio app. Scott Kushner joins us on The Doug got
Lip Show he's a Pelican beat writer for The Advocate.
You can fall him on Twitter at Scott D. Kushner.
Let's go back to the last night. What what was
that like where Anthony Davis, who hasn't bell and well received,
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gets hurt and then the team wins in spite of
the fact that he left the floor and left the arena.
I mean, it's it was interesting, but it was like
they played better without him since he requested his trade. Uh,
these guys that kind of rallied together even when he
was hurt. Um, they were playing harder. You know, they
didn't win all the time, and they were playing harder
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in his assets. It was pretty It's been pretty clear
there is a chasm on that team and that Davis
was not fully invested, especially you know, since requesting the trade.
So you know, the fact that they went won the
game against you know, the right for the All Star Break.
I don't think that was as big of a deal.
I think when uh, the idea of Davis leaving in
the middle of the game, He's done that before. To
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go look at m R. Eyes. Believe it or not
that he even hurt once or twice in his career here,
but the Uh, you know, it was when Alvin Gentry
kind of admitted that, yeah, this is a dumpster fire
and then basically wouldn't talk about a D and saying, look,
we're not going to deal with this anymore. We're only
talking about the guys that are here, and uh, and
that's to say that, hey, a D really isn't a
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part of them anymore. And I think that was pretty
telling overall. I think so as well. I look, last
night was probably the straw that broke the camel's back,
but it also wasn't great when Brian Windhorse reported that
at uh what was what? The Pelicans were simply, you know,
trying to damage the Lakers by releasing some of of
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the trade trade demands. How accurate do you believe that
story to be. I don't think they were going to
make the deal with the Lakers for multiple reasons. Um
whether or not they were trying to damage them intentionally,
I think kind of depends on your definition of that.
But there was no no chance they were going to
make that deal with the Lakers, mostly because they wanted
to have whoever the next guy was make the trade.
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They didn't want Dell Demps to make that deal. And Uh,
they just they didn't feel like it was responsible to
have a guy they knew that was not gonna stick around. Uh,
go ahead and make you know, probably the biggest trade
in the history of the franchise, perhaps the Chris Paul
was bigger. Um, but why do that when you know
that you're gonna be changing people at the top anyway,
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Go get someone you trust and allow them to kind
of run their own ship. Uh. And so unless the
Lakers through and offered that was just absolutely obscene out
there with four first round picks and swaps and all
that other kind of stuff. There was really no That's
why they didn't even return calls, didn't do anything because
they knew they weren't going to take a deal. I mean,
you don't return a call, though, and guy makes it sure.
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You gotta gotta make gotta make an asking some of them,
all right. So so del So, why was Dell Demps fired?
Del Deps was fired because Anthony Davis requested to trade. Uh.
This entire tenure, I mean he's been there nine years,
it's not a short tenure. His entire tenure, basically since
two thousand twelve, was about building a team around Anthony
Davis building a sustainable roster and winning with him and
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keeping him for the long term. And the second that
that was understood that was no longer going to happen. Uh,
it was over. And I think it was you could
have you know, you could have fired him that day,
to be perfectly honest. Uh, this has been life support
since then. And they just kind of pulled the plug today.
Whether or not they did it because it was a
Friday afternoon before the All Star break or whatever the reasoning,
I had heard, you know, throughout the whole week that
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there was a chance Friday was the day. So I
don't believe a lot of these reports that they were
upset about what ad did last night and then they
fired him. This was a long time coming with regards
to dell Um and you know, as far as long
time being three four weeks. But this is a situation.
They weren't winning. I mean, they had Anthony Davis, they
were not winning. They won one playoff series and Davis
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his entire tenure U. This is a failed tenure firm
and general manager and that's basically what it comes down to, Alright,
So Danny Ferry takes over in the interim do you
believe that he has a shot to long term deal. Yeah,
I think they'll have an opportunity. He has a good
relationship with ownership. I think they've leaned on him a
good bit during this the whole Lakers thing. I know
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he was involved, uh, to a pretty large extent with
with ownership because again there was kind of an understanding
that they were going to be moving on um. But
I don't think he's the lead candidate. I think you're
gonna have a whole bunch of guys that they're gonna
look at. It's a bad job though, I mean, quite frankly,
with the desoline of what you could get back from
a p it's a really tough sell I think to
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a high level executive. We've seen these guys the Mike
Sarinds of the world, and David Griffin's like turn a
lot of teams down because it's a really hard situation
to walk into. I don't know what New Orleans really
has to sell a guy like that on. So perhaps
Danny is that is, you know, a good option, But uh,
they're gonna look around. They're gonna look around. A lot
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of guys are gonna see what they can sell and
I think whatever, you know, whoever takes this job, it's
gonna be come down to what they think they can
get in return. For Anthony Davis, Scott Kushner, Pelicans beat
right for the Advocate Palm on Twitter at Scott d. Kushner.
Great stuff, thanks so much for joining us. And what
is the story of the day in the NBA heading
into All Star weekend? We're oh yeah. By the way,
Anthony davis dramatic recovery is apparently gonna play Scott and
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we All Star Games. It's good to know that that
debilitating shoulder injury is not all that bad. Oh man, Well,
I'm very excited for his media session tomorrow here in Charlotte.
Should be very exciting. Thanks so much, Scott. Alrightee, be
sure to catch live edition so the Doug Dot Leaps
Show weekdays at noon eastern three pm Pacific. Let's welcome
to Mark la Everything, the three time Super Bowl champion.
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He also has his own really good local radio show
in Denver. You can see him call games for the
National Football League on Fox NFL on Fox, and of
course you can see him on all of our studio
shows on Fox Sports One. Uh Kaepernick and Airic Reid
settle with the league. Do you think Cap ever plays
in the NFL again? Uh, you know, that's an interesting question.
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I like, now that it's been settled, I probably the gosh,
I didn't even think about that question. Um. I don't
doubt that he might get an opportunity to be a
backup somewhere. I mean, I've always felt like this. I've
always felt like, is there, you know, some collusion. At first,
I was one of those, well, he's not very good
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if he wants starters money. I mean, people aren't gonna
want to pay him starters money. And then there's no
question that there was some type of collusion, some type
of we're not going to sign this guy. It always
comes down to this, are you is the noise that
associates with you as the noise that that surrounds you
louder than the production on the field. I think it's
exactly why Tim Tebow was no longer given an opportunity. Now,
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his skill set wasn't very good at the quarterback position,
but white people didn't want us to sign Tim Tebow
is that his skill did not weigh the noise as
a backup or potential backup quarterback, so eventually you move
on from him. Do I think the NFL colluded against him? Certainly,
I think there was some form of collusion, otherwise they
probably wouldn't have settled. Um. Will he be willing to
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go back and and take on a backup role for
backup money? Potentially? Um? But I just I just feel
like he has become more of an activist and that's
more where his passion is than it is playing football,
And and therefore I probably don't feel like I don't
feel like the NFL would completely exclude America Read just
signed a big contract or a new contract with Caroline
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that the NFL would necessarily exclude him. I just don't
know if that's Kaepernick's passion anymore. Oh, I I agree
with I. Look, I don't know about his passion. I
just think, look, uh, did did did Eric Read? Um?
Did Eric read signed a contract last year? Sure? Now,
look at the league really wanted this thing to go away?
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They would have. They would say, hey, somebody signed Kaepernick,
you know, offer him big money, like get this thing.
And the fact that they didn't, and he was the
face of the protest, he was the face of the lawsuit.
This feels like you hadn't played in the league in
two two and a half years. You know, this is
this is go away money, right that that's what that's
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what this is. You sued and even though you didn't win,
you didn't lose as well. This feels like go away money.
I don't know whether it's an activist or just the
fact that at the time has spent and like he's
not wasn't the perfect quarterback anyway. So I kind of
think his message is more powerful if he stays that
the league, because he can say, look, they still keep
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keeping me out of the league. I should still be
in there. They still don't want to even if there's
no proof of collusion, because that lawsuits already selling right well,
But I mean just the fact that they settled it
says there was something going on behind the scenes. It's
like the NFL settling the concussion lawsuit. Um, you know,
without ever going to court, settling that lawsuit for a
billion dollars or whatever it was. And part of the
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settlement is you can never talk about it. You know,
you we're going to destroy twenty years worth of research
on concussions because we don't want that out there, because
we know there was something that there was a form
of mouthpieceance that was going on. So I think the
same can be said about Colin Kaepernick. The NFL looked
at whatever text message were, you know, whether the smoking
gun that Kaepernick and his legal team had, and say, okay,
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there is at least it makes us look bad. Let's
make it all go away, walk away from this, um.
And part of the settlement is you can never speak
about it. You can never talk about it. UM. And
so you know, I guess Kaepernick continues to get to
be that activist and I think that's you know, I
think possibly that's where as hard as um And again
I've never really been a hundred percent sold on does
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Kaepernick really want to come back and and you know,
be a backup quarterback and grind through and earned that
opportunity again UM, And I believe that his motives from
the standpoint of really trying, like he has sacrificed a
lot for for racial inequalities and what he stands for.
And I think he's happy, you know, being the face
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of of a movement and like I said, being an activist.
And and therefore I think he you know, he essentially
got what he wants. Was the NFL to admit, hey,
you know what we did wrong by this guy, and
they settled with it. Doug Otlib show here on Fox
Sports Radio, all right, we're done with the Kaepernick Kaepernick
thing for now. Let's get to something I'm sure you've
discussed on your radio show. Joe Flacco. What was your comment?
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What do you think about the move? Well, I mean,
I think like it's an upgrade Overcase Keenum. Sure, I
think it's an upgrade Overcase Keenum. Like, like, how much
of an upgrade is it Overcase Tinum, you know, I mean,
is it it's not going from you know, it's not
going from uh cheeseburger to a Filet mignon type of upgrade.
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You know, maybe it's going from a veggie burger to
a cheeseburger, but it's not that great of an upgrade.
I would say the same thing I said about Case
Keenum going to Denver, as I'll say about Joe Flacco.
If you don't seriously upgrade the rest of your roster,
especially your group up front, your offensive line, then I
don't think I don't think Joe Flacco is gonna have
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any more success in Case Keenum did I think you're
based on your talent around him? You're six and tom
team regardless. So if they have him, if they have him,
excuse me, Mark, If they have him at eighteen and
a half million dollars and no guaranteed money for next year,
doesn't that help them with the cat. They're not paying
a crazy summon money. They draft a quarterback, he's a
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little bit better and they can continue to fix the
rest of this roster. Wouldn't that be fair? Well that yeah,
that would be fair. But the problem is is you're
gonna have to get rid of case Keenum, so you're
gonna think about a ten million dollar cap hit there.
So you're essentially playing Joe Flacco for one Now it's
only one year, but you're essentially playing Joe Flacco Aaron
Rodgers money to be your quarterback less unless they can
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find somebody to take Unless they can find somebody to
take case Keena. Maybe they hold on him and hope
somebody somebody takes them off their hands. They have and injured,
uh injured. Let let me ask you about about Antonio Brown. Um.
I don't know if this is reparable. You know, Art
Rooney has gone down to meet with him in Miami
and he's he's liking uh Instagram posts that are you know,
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going back into the past, have been going back into
the past of Ben Roethlisberger. Is that a fixable relationship? Well,
I listen, I think that one. Like I think Antonio Brown,
you know, would like to redo his contract again. I
think that it's reparable. Now. I think the bottom line
for Antonio Brown, he's upset with you know, several different things,
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um and part of it is, you know, his obviously
his own doing, his own selfishness. But I think when
he looked at himself, if you really look at yourself honestly, critically,
and I know that's really hard for certain diva receiving
diva wide receivers to do. But if you really look
at your situation, where are you gonna find a better
situation where you've got a potential Hall of Fame quarterback,
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You've got a great offensive line, you throw the ball
an absolute ton, your quarterback is constantly looking for you,
and you're and you're gonna put up big numbers. I mean,
look around the league, you know, look around like I
call a bunch of Arizona games. You want to be there?
You know where they can't block anybody. They got a
second year quarterback that a lot of people have question
marks about. They're even talking so much about, you know,
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can we move him and pick up a cown Kyler Murray? Like,
look around the league wherever they're gonna if you, if
they end up finding someone to ship you too. But
there's a lot of bad teams. So I think it's
reparable in that if he's really honest with himself and
he really looks around the league, he could sit there
and go, you know, I've got it pretty good here,
and they take care of me, and they put up
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with a lot of my crap and it is crap,
and he knows it's crap. So um some of the
things that he does, So you know, I think it's reparable. Um,
I don't think there's any question that it's reparable. It's
just a matter of the Stevens wanna, you know, if
the Stevens want to go down that road with him.
Great stuff, stink Mark Layra three times Super Bowl champion.
It's a news dumb Friday, but that doesn't mean that
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that that you're a news dumper at that have a
great President's Day weekend, We appreciate you join us. You
gotta do you. Thanks man,
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is not a news dumb Friday. No, no, no, no, no, no, no,
not even close, man, not even close. I mean, whoa
(00:43):
what a Friday we have for you here on the
Doug got Lip Show on Fox Sports Radio. Because uh,
we thought Del Demps being traded, being being fired was
the story of the day after the dumpster fire comment
from from his head coach going back to last night.
But no, that's not actually the story of the day now,
(01:06):
not even close. Um. We're just kind of blown away
here by exactly what has taken place in the National
Football League and trying to figure out what does it
mean for the future. I'll get to it one second, obviously,
revolves around Colin Kaepernick and a settlement that was just
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just reached by the NFL and Colin Kaepernick and Eric Rei.
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Do the finger things hurt? Early in the game last
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night against the Oycloma City Thunder gets an m R
I and then leaves the building, doesn't return to the bench,
leaves the building with his agent who just happened to
be in town. All right, we'll get to that upcoming
in fifteen minutes. We got him Antonio Brown news to
to share with you. But let's not let's not bury
the lead. The lead is the NFL has reached a
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settlement agreement in the collusion case against the league which
was made by UH which was made by Eric Reid
and Colin Kaepernick. The grievance has been reached after a
drawn out process over the last two years. Kaepernick Eric
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Reads collusion case against the NFL has officially come to
an end. Earlier this afternoon, Mark Garrigos, who's the lawyer
for Kaepernick and Read, and the NFL put out a
statement saying they had put the officially resolved. The matter.
Terms were not revealed and they will not see the
light of the day because of a confidentiality agreement. Quote.
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For the past several months, counsel for Mr Kaepernick and
Mr Reid have engaged in an ongoing dialogue with the
representative of the representatives of the NFL. As a result
of those discussions, the parties have decided to resolve the
pending grievances and the resolution is a matter subject to
confidentiality agreement. So so there will be no further comment.
I could go on and on and on, all right,
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but it is funny that there's this assumption that Colin
Colin Kaepernick would have made X money. We don't know
what he would have made. We don't know what his
value would have been. We only know that he's not
been in Nation Football like And what's interesting about this
is this comes on the heels of the story that
was least yesterday, which is the a a F, the
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Alliance Alliance of American Football had reached out to Kaepernick
and Tim Tebow and been rebuffed on both accounts, and
Kaepernick reportedly had asked for twenty million dollars and look
earlier today, I co hosted the Dan Patrick Show, and
I said, I understand the ask. I understand asking for
far more money than anybody else in the league because
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not just you were starting quarterback in the NFL and
went to a super Bowl, but also because he's got
a huge name. Like him or not like him, positive
or negative press, whatever, he has a huge name, one
that would make the American Football Alliance of American Football.
He would. On the other hand, it sounds like he
asked for too much, and maybe it's because he knew
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that he had this as a possibility. As for the
details of the settlement, which you have not come out,
I've seen Mike Freeman tweet that he's he's heard between
sixt a million dollars. Now, remember million is between two clients.
We don't know the split of the two. You know.
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Also there's the assumption that the lawyers get their fees.
And even if he ends up getting say it's low
end sixty and he ends up getting a seventy thirty
split with Eric Reid, maybe even more split combined with
whatever he has to pay the lawyer, is that worth it, Well,
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it's worth it if you're never gonna if you're going
to play football again. If not, I think here's what happens.
We all have, we all have our inherent biases in
regards to how we thought this would play out. And
if you like Kaepernick, you walk in going want to win. See,
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the NFL knew they had a losing case, and so
they settled and kaeperni gets his money, and this thing
keeps quiet, and now they can't clude against him. He
can play in the National Football League. And if you're
against Kaepernick, very simple, you sit there and go like, see,
wasn't about anything, but the buyout wasn't about anything but
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collecting a check. This dude doesn't want to play in
the NFL. He just got himself a big fat check
that he can do whatever he wants with when the
truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Of course, the
NFL wants to settle this thing. They don't the problem
with even if, even if the settlement was a quarter
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of whatever they whatever they paid him, and who knows
what the amount actually is. Who knows. The fact is
that once once the uh, once the deliberations occur, now
of a sudden that becomes public record, and everything, all
the information gained in the collusion case, the full disclosure
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becomes public knowledge. Now all this stuff, all the text
men just between owners, all the email correspondence between the commissioner,
all the phone calls, any of the investigation gets buried away.
That's what you're paying for. That's what you're paying for.
And while you can sit here and go, hey, Colin Kaepernick,
where's the virtue just taking a paycheck? You know? So
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to keep his mouth shut, I would point out that
the likelihood is and I don't love Colin Kaepernick, the quarterback,
and I do find it odd that he hasn't said
anything in regards to the movement that he started. On
the other hand, like look, I'm not blind, deaf or dumb.
He's done good works with his money, and my guess
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is whatever money that he's obtained, a portion of it
will be put towards good works, because that seems to
be the kind of guy he is. That doesn't seem
to be phony. So it's it's exactly what you think
it is. It's what we hate in sports. It's a tie.
It gives us no winner, it gives us no loser. Essentially,
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everybody loses. The NFL loses because there's the assumption that
they settled a losing case. If they're gonna win, why
not just go to the mattresses and hey, we did
nothing wrong. Let's let this thing play out. The NFL
becomes losers. Kaepernick becomes a loser because if the effort
was to get your job back and to expose the
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NFL for concluding against you, why would no amount of
money is enough none for the fact that you can't
play in the National Football League. Kaepernick ends up losing.
On the other hand, Kaepernick did win because he didn't lose.
He did fight the man and got some sort of
monetary benefit. And oh yeah, by the way, there's the
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assumption that the NFL did something wrong. So he won there,
and the NFL wins because they put this thing to
rest because all their information goes back to being private,
and they did not lose this case. They could walk
around saying like, look, we didn't collude against him, Yes
you did know, we didn't. There is no summary judgment
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that says we colluded against Colin Kaepernick. No, we did not.
This is just like, this is just as unsatisfying as
any tie you've seen in the National Football League. Ties stink.
They make sense because they bring finality to it. At
some point, a game has to end, at some point
a lawsuit has to end. And this is really really
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smart on both sides, especially in the NFL side. Like
this happens in divorce. You know, could I hire a
forensic accountant and find out exactly what she's been doing
or what he's been doing with all of our money?
He's got it tied up in a bunch of businesses.
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Could I figure out what he's been hiding? Sure, but
hiring a friends account is expensive. Every time I call
my divorce attorney, it's expensive. And at some point we
just settle and set up for a tie. Enough is enough,
Enough becomes enough. So here's my question to you in
your mind, who won, who lost? And maybe more importantly,
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it's Colin Kaepernick play in the NFL again, Because if
you said, if you sue, you don't play in the NFL,
how come Eric Reid sued and now, of course has
reached a settlement and has signed a deal in the NFL.
On the other hand, if he made a boatload of money,
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maybe this is go away, don't come back. We don't
even want to hear you about you in the NFL.
That's part of a part of said agreement. Eight seven
seven fox eight seven seven six three six nine. I do,
in fact want your opinion. I'm supposed to sit here
and tell you that I know what what's behind sealing documents,
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and I don't know. I do know that Colin Kaepernick
bet on himself by not taking a pay cut to
play with the Broncos, and though his stats were good,
his team was awful, and I don't know what his
true NFL future would have been back then. I also
know that his girlfriend sent out that that Instagram meme
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lining Steve Bashotti to a slave, a slave master, slave
owner from Django unchained. On the other hand, I also
know that I don't know if the NFL didn't think
they did anything wrong when they see this thing out.
But do you want to protect all the information which
is which you're able to obtain when you have a
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grievance against the league. I'd love to sit here and
tell you I know, but I don't know. I think
he never plays again. But there's a sense from other
people like, hey, look, if Eric Read's playing, why can't
he play. I think it's different at quarterback. I think
once you sit a second year. I think the fact
that he struggled with what it took to be a
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starter may mean he'll struggle to what it takes to
be a backup. It doesn't change the distraction factor. I
think he's done. But I don't think that this was
simply a money grab. I'm guessing that he puts all
that money to pretty good use and and this becomes
what Colin Kaepernick is two point oh, But I don't
know that. Be sure to catch live editions of The
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Doug dot Leap Show week days in noon eastern three
pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart
Radio app. Scott Kushner joins us on The Doug got
Lip Show he's a Pelican beat writer for The Advocate.
You can fall him on Twitter at Scott D. Kushner.
Let's go back to the last night. What what was
that like where Anthony Davis, who hasn't bell and well received,
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gets hurt and then the team wins in spite of
the fact that he left the floor and left the arena.
I mean, it's it was interesting, but it was like
they played better without him since he requested his trade. Uh,
these guys that kind of rallied together even when he
was hurt. Um, they were playing harder. You know, they
didn't win all the time, and they were playing harder
(13:04):
in his assets. It was pretty It's been pretty clear
there is a chasm on that team and that Davis
was not fully invested, especially you know, since requesting the trade.
So you know, the fact that they went won the
game against you know, the right for the All Star Break.
I don't think that was as big of a deal.
I think when uh, the idea of Davis leaving in
the middle of the game, He's done that before. To
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go look at m R. Eyes. Believe it or not
that he even hurt once or twice in his career here,
but the Uh, you know, it was when Alvin Gentry
kind of admitted that, yeah, this is a dumpster fire
and then basically wouldn't talk about a D and saying, look,
we're not going to deal with this anymore. We're only
talking about the guys that are here, and uh, and
that's to say that, hey, a D really isn't a
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part of them anymore. And I think that was pretty
telling overall. I think so as well. I look, last
night was probably the straw that broke the camel's back,
but it also wasn't great when Brian Windhorse reported that
at uh what was what? The Pelicans were simply, you know,
trying to damage the Lakers by releasing some of of
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the trade trade demands. How accurate do you believe that
story to be. I don't think they were going to
make the deal with the Lakers for multiple reasons. Um
whether or not they were trying to damage them intentionally,
I think kind of depends on your definition of that.
But there was no no chance they were going to
make that deal with the Lakers, mostly because they wanted
to have whoever the next guy was make the trade.
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They didn't want Dell Demps to make that deal. And Uh,
they just they didn't feel like it was responsible to
have a guy they knew that was not gonna stick around. Uh,
go ahead and make you know, probably the biggest trade
in the history of the franchise, perhaps the Chris Paul
was bigger. Um, but why do that when you know
that you're gonna be changing people at the top anyway,
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Go get someone you trust and allow them to kind
of run their own ship. Uh. And so unless the
Lakers through and offered that was just absolutely obscene out
there with four first round picks and swaps and all
that other kind of stuff. There was really no That's
why they didn't even return calls, didn't do anything because
they knew they weren't going to take a deal. I mean,
you don't return a call, though, and guy makes it sure.
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You gotta gotta make gotta make an asking some of them,
all right. So so del So, why was Dell Demps fired?
Del Deps was fired because Anthony Davis requested to trade. Uh.
This entire tenure, I mean he's been there nine years,
it's not a short tenure. His entire tenure, basically since
two thousand twelve, was about building a team around Anthony
Davis building a sustainable roster and winning with him and
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keeping him for the long term. And the second that
that was understood that was no longer going to happen. Uh,
it was over. And I think it was you could
have you know, you could have fired him that day,
to be perfectly honest. Uh, this has been life support
since then. And they just kind of pulled the plug today.
Whether or not they did it because it was a
Friday afternoon before the All Star break or whatever the reasoning,
I had heard, you know, throughout the whole week that
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there was a chance Friday was the day. So I
don't believe a lot of these reports that they were
upset about what ad did last night and then they
fired him. This was a long time coming with regards
to dell Um and you know, as far as long
time being three four weeks. But this is a situation.
They weren't winning. I mean, they had Anthony Davis, they
were not winning. They won one playoff series and Davis
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his entire tenure U. This is a failed tenure firm
and general manager and that's basically what it comes down to, Alright,
So Danny Ferry takes over in the interim do you
believe that he has a shot to long term deal. Yeah,
I think they'll have an opportunity. He has a good
relationship with ownership. I think they've leaned on him a
good bit during this the whole Lakers thing. I know
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he was involved, uh, to a pretty large extent with
with ownership because again there was kind of an understanding
that they were going to be moving on um. But
I don't think he's the lead candidate. I think you're
gonna have a whole bunch of guys that they're gonna
look at. It's a bad job though, I mean, quite frankly,
with the desoline of what you could get back from
a p it's a really tough sell I think to
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a high level executive. We've seen these guys the Mike
Sarinds of the world, and David Griffin's like turn a
lot of teams down because it's a really hard situation
to walk into. I don't know what New Orleans really
has to sell a guy like that on. So perhaps
Danny is that is, you know, a good option, But uh,
they're gonna look around. They're gonna look around. A lot
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of guys are gonna see what they can sell and
I think whatever, you know, whoever takes this job, it's
gonna be come down to what they think they can
get in return. For Anthony Davis, Scott Kushner, Pelicans beat
right for the Advocate Palm on Twitter at Scott d. Kushner.
Great stuff, thanks so much for joining us. And what
is the story of the day in the NBA heading
into All Star weekend? We're oh yeah. By the way,
Anthony davis dramatic recovery is apparently gonna play Scott and
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we All Star Games. It's good to know that that
debilitating shoulder injury is not all that bad. Oh man, Well,
I'm very excited for his media session tomorrow here in Charlotte.
Should be very exciting. Thanks so much, Scott. Alrightee, be
sure to catch live edition so the Doug Dot Leaps
Show weekdays at noon eastern three pm Pacific. Let's welcome
to Mark la Everything, the three time Super Bowl champion.
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He also has his own really good local radio show
in Denver. You can see him call games for the
National Football League on Fox NFL on Fox, and of
course you can see him on all of our studio
shows on Fox Sports One. Uh Kaepernick and Airic Reid
settle with the league. Do you think Cap ever plays
in the NFL again? Uh, you know, that's an interesting question.
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I like, now that it's been settled, I probably the gosh,
I didn't even think about that question. Um. I don't
doubt that he might get an opportunity to be a
backup somewhere. I mean, I've always felt like this. I've
always felt like, is there, you know, some collusion. At first,
I was one of those, well, he's not very good
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if he wants starters money. I mean, people aren't gonna
want to pay him starters money. And then there's no
question that there was some type of collusion, some type
of we're not going to sign this guy. It always
comes down to this, are you is the noise that
associates with you as the noise that that surrounds you
louder than the production on the field. I think it's
exactly why Tim Tebow was no longer given an opportunity. Now,
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his skill set wasn't very good at the quarterback position,
but white people didn't want us to sign Tim Tebow
is that his skill did not weigh the noise as
a backup or potential backup quarterback, so eventually you move
on from him. Do I think the NFL colluded against him? Certainly,
I think there was some form of collusion, otherwise they
probably wouldn't have settled. Um. Will he be willing to
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go back and and take on a backup role for
backup money? Potentially? Um? But I just I just feel
like he has become more of an activist and that's
more where his passion is than it is playing football,
And and therefore I probably don't feel like I don't
feel like the NFL would completely exclude America Read just
signed a big contract or a new contract with Caroline
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that the NFL would necessarily exclude him. I just don't
know if that's Kaepernick's passion anymore. Oh, I I agree
with I. Look, I don't know about his passion. I
just think, look, uh, did did did Eric Read? Um?
Did Eric read signed a contract last year? Sure? Now,
look at the league really wanted this thing to go away?
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They would have. They would say, hey, somebody signed Kaepernick,
you know, offer him big money, like get this thing.
And the fact that they didn't, and he was the
face of the protest, he was the face of the lawsuit.
This feels like you hadn't played in the league in
two two and a half years. You know, this is
this is go away money, right that that's what that's
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what this is. You sued and even though you didn't win,
you didn't lose as well. This feels like go away money.
I don't know whether it's an activist or just the
fact that at the time has spent and like he's
not wasn't the perfect quarterback anyway. So I kind of
think his message is more powerful if he stays that
the league, because he can say, look, they still keep
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keeping me out of the league. I should still be
in there. They still don't want to even if there's
no proof of collusion, because that lawsuits already selling right well,
But I mean just the fact that they settled it
says there was something going on behind the scenes. It's
like the NFL settling the concussion lawsuit. Um, you know,
without ever going to court, settling that lawsuit for a
billion dollars or whatever it was. And part of the
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settlement is you can never talk about it. You know,
you we're going to destroy twenty years worth of research
on concussions because we don't want that out there, because
we know there was something that there was a form
of mouthpieceance that was going on. So I think the
same can be said about Colin Kaepernick. The NFL looked
at whatever text message were, you know, whether the smoking
gun that Kaepernick and his legal team had, and say, okay,
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there is at least it makes us look bad. Let's
make it all go away, walk away from this, um.
And part of the settlement is you can never speak
about it. You can never talk about it. UM. And
so you know, I guess Kaepernick continues to get to
be that activist and I think that's you know, I
think possibly that's where as hard as um And again
I've never really been a hundred percent sold on does
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Kaepernick really want to come back and and you know,
be a backup quarterback and grind through and earned that
opportunity again UM, And I believe that his motives from
the standpoint of really trying, like he has sacrificed a
lot for for racial inequalities and what he stands for.
And I think he's happy, you know, being the face
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of of a movement and like I said, being an activist.
And and therefore I think he you know, he essentially
got what he wants. Was the NFL to admit, hey,
you know what we did wrong by this guy, and
they settled with it. Doug Otlib show here on Fox
Sports Radio, all right, we're done with the Kaepernick Kaepernick
thing for now. Let's get to something I'm sure you've
discussed on your radio show. Joe Flacco. What was your comment?
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What do you think about the move? Well, I mean,
I think like it's an upgrade Overcase Keenum. Sure, I
think it's an upgrade Overcase Keenum. Like, like, how much
of an upgrade is it Overcase Tinum, you know, I mean,
is it it's not going from you know, it's not
going from uh cheeseburger to a Filet mignon type of upgrade.
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You know, maybe it's going from a veggie burger to
a cheeseburger, but it's not that great of an upgrade.
I would say the same thing I said about Case
Keenum going to Denver, as I'll say about Joe Flacco.
If you don't seriously upgrade the rest of your roster,
especially your group up front, your offensive line, then I
don't think I don't think Joe Flacco is gonna have
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any more success in Case Keenum did I think you're
based on your talent around him? You're six and tom
team regardless. So if they have him, if they have him,
excuse me, Mark, If they have him at eighteen and
a half million dollars and no guaranteed money for next year,
doesn't that help them with the cat. They're not paying
a crazy summon money. They draft a quarterback, he's a
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little bit better and they can continue to fix the
rest of this roster. Wouldn't that be fair? Well that yeah,
that would be fair. But the problem is is you're
gonna have to get rid of case Keenum, so you're
gonna think about a ten million dollar cap hit there.
So you're essentially playing Joe Flacco for one Now it's
only one year, but you're essentially playing Joe Flacco Aaron
Rodgers money to be your quarterback less unless they can
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find somebody to take Unless they can find somebody to
take case Keena. Maybe they hold on him and hope
somebody somebody takes them off their hands. They have and injured,
uh injured. Let let me ask you about about Antonio Brown. Um.
I don't know if this is reparable. You know, Art
Rooney has gone down to meet with him in Miami
and he's he's liking uh Instagram posts that are you know,
(24:47):
going back into the past, have been going back into
the past of Ben Roethlisberger. Is that a fixable relationship? Well,
I listen, I think that one. Like I think Antonio Brown,
you know, would like to redo his contract again. I
think that it's reparable. Now. I think the bottom line
for Antonio Brown, he's upset with you know, several different things,
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um and part of it is, you know, his obviously
his own doing, his own selfishness. But I think when
he looked at himself, if you really look at yourself honestly, critically,
and I know that's really hard for certain diva receiving
diva wide receivers to do. But if you really look
at your situation, where are you gonna find a better
situation where you've got a potential Hall of Fame quarterback,
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You've got a great offensive line, you throw the ball
an absolute ton, your quarterback is constantly looking for you,
and you're and you're gonna put up big numbers. I mean,
look around the league, you know, look around like I
call a bunch of Arizona games. You want to be there?
You know where they can't block anybody. They got a
second year quarterback that a lot of people have question
marks about. They're even talking so much about, you know,
(25:54):
can we move him and pick up a cown Kyler Murray? Like,
look around the league wherever they're gonna if you, if
they end up finding someone to ship you too. But
there's a lot of bad teams. So I think it's
reparable in that if he's really honest with himself and
he really looks around the league, he could sit there
and go, you know, I've got it pretty good here,
and they take care of me, and they put up
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with a lot of my crap and it is crap,
and he knows it's crap. So um some of the
things that he does, So you know, I think it's reparable. Um,
I don't think there's any question that it's reparable. It's
just a matter of the Stevens wanna, you know, if
the Stevens want to go down that road with him.
Great stuff, stink Mark Layra three times Super Bowl champion.
It's a news dumb Friday, but that doesn't mean that
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that that you're a news dumper at that have a
great President's Day weekend, We appreciate you join us. You
gotta do you. Thanks man,
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