November 11, 2025 • 38 mins
Doug and the crew share the stories that didn't make the slate on Monday during this installment of "Tuesday Morning Quarterback". Doug welcomes FSR NBA Insider Ric Bucher onto the show to get his insights on the firing of Nico Harrison by the Dallas Mavericks. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through "The Press".
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Second hour of the show, we will talk about Nico
Harrison getting fired. Our good friend Rick Bucker has got
a new podcast. He's gonna join us at twenty after
the hour, plus we'll check in with all things When
or will Lebron James play this year? That's always interesting
and new uh to me. Plus we got the press,
plus we got other stuff going on before we get
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to that. We like to do this every Tuesday, a
way of recapping things that even we in the media
missed talking about yesterday because there's just too much stuff.
It's called Tuesday Morning Quarterback Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
This is Tuesday Morning Quarterback in the afternoon. Mondays can
be overwhelming. Tuesdays are getting to whatever we didn't get.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
To on Monday.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Yes, sir, day Morning Quarterback in the afternoon.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
We all look at the football season from a different perspective.
We watch different games, different ways of watching.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Some our red zone guys, some are locked into one game.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
When guys Dan's doing his show Tuesday Sunday afternoons, let's
start with you, Dan, Let's let's let's let's get the floor.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
You to you, Tuesday Morning Quarterback. What do you want
us to get to?
Speaker 5 (01:58):
Yeah, so I do want to get to the Seattle Seahawks,
my team with a huge showdown against the Rams coming
up on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
But I want to talk about the Most.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Valuable Player Award because I think that there is an
interesting conversation for the odds that we just talked about
when we did rank them bet online having and this
was as of this morning. Matthew Stafford your favorite at
three to one, Drake May plus three twenty five, Jonathan
Taylor plus three fifty. Sam Donald is sitting there right
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now with the sixth shortest odds at plus eight point
fifty at seventeen to two, and the Seahawks and their
record and Donald's passer rating are all reasons for Donald
to be a candidate. But Jackson Smith and Jigba is
one hundred to one, and when Sam Donald is only
throwing it to Jackson Smith and Jigba, I don't know
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how Sam Donald or anybody else could be higher than
Jackson Smith and Jigba in that conversation. If we're having
the conversation at Jonathan Taylor like we are, I think
we need to have it about Jackson Smith and Jigba,
who is on pace to possibly break Calvin Johnson's all
time record for receiving yards in a season, Like the
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two thousand yard mark for JSN is not out of
the realm of possibilities. Nineteen sixty four is the number
that Kelvin Johnson set in twenty twelve. Cooper Cup almost
broke it a few years ago, fell just short of it.
But Doug the target number for Jackson Smith and Jigma
on the season, and this is something that we talked
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about in our latest I Want Your Flex podcast episode
with Mike Harmon and our executive producer Ian Roddy. I'm
also plugging that podcast.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Such a name dropper.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
Jackson Smith and Jigba has eighty five targets on the season.
Second most on the team is Cooper Cup with thirty five.
There is a fifty target gap between first and second
on the Seahawks. So if Sam Donald, who is basically
only throwing to Jackson Smith and Jigba, is considered an
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MVP candidate, how is JSN so far down the line
at one hundred to one? And I know the answer.
Donald's a quarterback, Jsn's a wide receiver. I understand that.
But when you have one guy who has single handedly
been your really your entire offense because they haven't been
running the football that well, that to me stands out
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like a sore thumb. He's not gonna win it, but
I mean he is the reason. If the quarterback is
throwing to just one guy, I think it should be
the guy who's catching the football and not the one
who's throwing the football.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Uh, great point. I mean Cooper we were talking about,
you know, Cooper Cup. Cooper Cup was MVP of the
Super Bowl, rightfully so, because all they did was thow
to him on the last drive against the Bengals. If
that's the case, if Cooper Cup can be the why
can't Jackson Smith and Jigbob the MVP of the league
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considering his team's winning and he's the biggest reason.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Why.
Speaker 6 (05:06):
What did you think of the way they utilized the
new player from.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
The Saints, Rashid Chiheed.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
They were up so big they really didn't have to.
He did return a couple of kicks. I know that's
going to add a different dimension, but he really wasn't
needed on Sunday because they were up so much.
Speaker 6 (05:23):
I did notice too, that Sam Donald did some real
Sam Donald things in the second half. Yes, you did.
Trying to make it close.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
Yeah, three turnovers, fumble, two interceptions, one of the excuse me,
two fumbles, one interception. The interception was the ricochet off
the helmet, second time that's happened this season. Fumbled snap
inside your own five yard line. That doesn't help. And
there was a strip sack. Joshwat was able to strip
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Donald of the football, and something that happened to Donald
multiple times this year. I'm going to continue to harp
on the Seahawks turning over the football, kind of like
Jason does with the Dodgers. Even though everything looks good,
there are still problems. So if the Seax lose on Sunday,
it's very likely going to be because of bad turnovers.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Uh okay, there, I'll take one again.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
And we haven't. I don't think we've discussed. I know Sam's,
I don't know yours. Jase too.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
I group text. I started the group text with my subject.
Sam belatedly contributed his You and Dan ignored it.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
There's oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I know what you want.
That's not what I want to do.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
I want to be sorry that I just have to.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
I didn't ignore it because you sent me a specific
single text to ask about what my what my thing was?
So I gave you a topic and I did give
you an answer. I just this is way too inside.
Don't paint me as the scofflaw who did not follow
up on the group text.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Please don't. All right, Doug, the floor is yours.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
I just this is me going, hey, Rob Parker is
having a really tough time because he's always called Matt
Stafford stat Padford. Right, isn't that what he calls him?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Is that? Am I? Right? Sam?
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Stat Padford?
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Matt Stafford is nasty and he's having an unbelievable year
that I'm guessing that. I'm guessing Dan. You know the stats,
because that's your how your brain works, Jay Stu. Any
idea of what his touchdown interception ratio is.
Speaker 6 (07:38):
No idea. I just know the last four.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Week twenty five touchdowns, two interceptions all season twenty five
and two.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
And here's the guy pretty good. Yeah, here's a guy
who remember was it last year?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Year before they were like, eh, you know, you might
want to finish somewhere else, he went checked out the market.
Everything was about his bad back. What are they going
to do if he retires? And I mean, Stafford's this
weird quarterback that he's unbelievably talented and when he's in
a rhythm, holy count.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Now, I will grant you Niners aren't very good right now.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
And the previous game was against the Saints, but before
that it was the Jags.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Whatever. But twenty five and two over a season twenty
five and two is crazy.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
He should be in any conversation of best quarterback in
the league, should be any conversation of MVP league.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
And I remember, this is a.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Guy that some people thought might retire before the season started.
Matt Stafford, that's my Tuesday morning quarterback. The Okay, let
me get to Jay Stewart, you're up.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
I don't know about your guys' process, but whenever I
see like one of these aggregators send out these stats,
I send it to myself. I'm like, I want at
some point it might come up on the air this week.
I'm just gonna send this to myself, and Doug just
handed it to me like a Wheelhouse fastball.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
Did you guys know the milestone that Matthew Stafford reached
on Sunday. He now has a career NFL record as
a starting quarterback of one fifteen one fifteen and one.
He reached five hundred. Oh. It's the most career starts
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that any NFL quarterback has ever gone. Reaching five hundred
for the first time at three hundred or two hundred
and thirty one pretty amazing to me. But I want
to talk about another mid quarterback, or was considered mid
up until about eight weeks ago, and now people are
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trying to tell us that they always knew that he
would go back to being mid. This is Daniel Jones. Okay,
Daniel Jones had a surprising start to the season, and
surprising in this regard. He was always turnover prone. That
was his thing coming in and I think he went
the first three or four games without turning the ball over.
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I think I remember asked in Janual Jeremiah, how do
you coach turnovers out of quarterbacks? Well, the last couple
of weeks, if you guys have been paying attention, he's
thrown four interceptions and in the game Overseas on Sunday,
he put the ball on the rug three times, only
lost one of them, but he fumbled three times. So
if you're doing the math, I think we're looking at
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seven or eight turnovers in the last two weeks. When
will Daniel Jones start playing like Daniel Jones? Maybe we're
seeing signs of that. Jonathan Taylor making up for a
lot of wartz. I did want to point this out.
So before the game Overseas, Kyle Brant was able to
sit down with Daniel Jones and turns out Daniel Jones
is a very boring guy, very uninteresting. In fact, it
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became a part of the conversation that Daniel Jones is
an uninteresting guy. And this is how Daniel Jones chose
to defend himself against that reputation.
Speaker 7 (10:56):
Probably a part of my personality. I feel like I've
never tried to try.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (11:02):
Social media, whatever it is, I don't. I don't share
too much. But yeah, I don't know. I mean, I
think try to play football and hang out with my
family and friends.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Pretty pretty simple.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Yeah, Like I said, I don't. I don't do a ton.
Speaker 7 (11:15):
I mean, I pretty much play football and uh and
hang out.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
I play football and I hang out. Which I've held
this up for a very long time. To make it
to that level, a quarterback needs to be exceptionally gifted
in doing one thing and they don't necessarily do anything else.
They're not worldly, they're not sophisticated. There are very rare,
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rare exceptions to this. If you watch the Netflix Quarterback
season two, you see how boring quarterbacks are. There were
cousins and two other white guys. In fact, the Netflix
special should be called white Quarterbacks, White boring, uninteresting quarterbacks.
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You will see how uninteresting these people are. There's just
no they're there. They are not dynamic, and they're thinking
for a reason, which I'm going to drive the point
home for the one hundredth time on these airwaves. We
cannot take Aaron Rodgers for granted. In twenty years, somebody's
going to be like, wait a minute, A quarterback would
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go on controversial podcasts and say controversial things and said
interesting things. Maybe not everyone agreed with it, but he
said things without any kind of thought for recourse, and
he had an intellectual capacity to have those conversations with
people that were well versed in very complicated matters. And
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my answer to my grandkids are gonna be yes. And
most quarterbacks were like Daniel Jones. So I think I
didn't take away your topic? Did I say, am No, Nope,
I have that.
Speaker 8 (13:00):
I would actually love to speak if Aaron Rodgers wants
and I'll get into my point about Aaron Rodgers here
in a second. If he ever wants to have any
dealings with the media in like fifteen years, would be
like a celebrity guest or whatever. He's gonna be like
the NFL's version of like a medicine man. He's gonna
have like long hair, he's gonna have beads on his neck,
he's gonna have more tattoos. He's gonna be talking about,
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you know, experimental drugs. If he wants to have a
role in the future, he should embrace being the NFL's
medicine man. Right now, he's with the Steelers, and the
Steelers are slumping. They've lost three of four. And listen,
Sunday Night's game against the Chargers was surprising and he
was mostly, if not partially, the reason they lost the game.
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And he's never been he's never been stiffer looking, and
he's never been older. Obviously, they cannot stop time. It
marches forward. But you still are in the best position
to win with him as your quarterback. So along with
Mike Tomlin giving him a vote of confidence, I'm giving
Aaron Rodgers a vote of confidence.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
I know they're in again.
Speaker 8 (13:59):
The start out four and one, they're five and four,
but they did have that win over the Colts, which
was a nice win. Kind of got people off their
back for a second, I think for the rest of
the year and beyond, Aaron Rodgers should be your QB
one and stick with him and ride it out because
the NFL goes in waves and wins and losses.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
We know that, Dan. Would that be uttered? Would that
rise to the level of a fantasy expertise on your
podcast QB one Aaron Rodgers, Well.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
I wouldn't recommend that as advice of him being the
QB one.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
I would not either.
Speaker 8 (14:32):
Well for the Steelers, you can't well yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I'm just saying. I'm just saying that that part the
reasons they've lost games off and on through the season,
it's been somewhat their defense, and Aaron Rodgers is playing
near that. But Aaron Rodgers a tied for fifth in
the NFL and touchdown passes, so he's still slinging it around.
And again, he's not the Aaron Rodgers of fifteen years
ago now, but I'm just giving him a vote of confidence.
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They're slumping right now, but it's not all him. Sunday night,
it was that was a surprising loss, and he played
very poorly, but he also got sacked a bunch, and
so some of it's on him, some of it's on
the line, some of it is on giving the charges credit.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
I do want to get to was that your that
was that your Tuesday morning quarterback yesterday? Bob Okay, So
you had Aaron Rodgers, Jay Stu had uh Dana Jones,
all right, I had uh Matt Stafford and Buyer way
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back thirty minutes ago because we all filibustered.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
I don't even remember, like Buyer's was good.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Well it was, Oh, it's Jackson Smith and Jigba right,
and how we overlooked how dominant he's been and how
though he's not going to he should get some sort
of consideration for MVP cor Yes, it's good Tuesday morning
quarterback in the efternoon.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
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should be. Why was Nico Harrison fired?
Speaker 2 (16:31):
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Brendan Huh. I'm sorry with uh go ahead, go ahead
you yeah, I know Brendon. I just I heard you
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talking and I didn't know if I missed the name
of the podcast because I do actually uh see the
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Speaker 2 (17:08):
Rick, Why now? Why fire Nigo Harrison?
Speaker 9 (17:10):
Now? Oh? Because the fans had gotten to a point
where they it had become a major distraction, and Patrick Dumont,
the Dumont wanted to be able to the owner, wanted
to be able to go attend games, and that was
going to become increasingly difficult because they were going to
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look at him and be waiting for him to fire
an Eco. So I just feel like we always get
We always get mad at the wrong person. You know,
at the beginning of last year what led to the trade.
Luca Donsis comes back and he's not in shape, and
he gets injured again. Everybody people weren't mad at him.
Speaker 10 (17:54):
They were they were mad even then already.
Speaker 9 (17:57):
At Jason Kidd and the Mads and general. And then
they make the move. And this is obviously Patrick Damon
is looking at the ownership is looking at it saying,
we don't want to pony up three hundred and sixty
five million for a guy who seems to be constantly
hurt on our watch. And so Nico goes and makes
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the deal. And uh, and now we're mad. We're mad
at Nico and and okay, so we fired Nico. How
does that solve the situation. I know that the fans
feel some satisfaction in seeing him hung out, but I
just this to me is the danger when you're running
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a team by crowdsource.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
And well, it's it's the old it's the old Jerry Sloan.
If you listen to fans, soon you become one of them,
right yeah.
Speaker 9 (18:52):
Yeah, And this is and this is a naive fan
who happens to be running the team because look was
it was it a questionable move on the part of
the Mavericks to to move Luka Doncic for what they got. Absolutely, absolutely,
if you're going to move him, try to get try
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to get more. But they were also under you know,
from everything I know, it was it was owner mandate
to we're not paying three hundred and sixty five million dollars,
see what you can get. And if you're gonna do
that in short order, and you're gonna be able to
try to pitch them on the idea that that you're
gonna still have some championship possibilities rather than rebuilding, then
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the move that they made, I don't know if there's
an appreciably better one that could have been made. The
biggest problem that I have is if you're going to
make this move, if you're if you're if you're going
to allow Nico Harrison or push Nico Harrison to trade
Luka Doncic, you don't eleven games into this season and
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then say, oh, that was a mistake. You know, you're
you're gonna pay with your job. They haven't had their
complete team and it's we're eleven games into the season.
It just feels like one naive decision after another by
a naive ownership.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I couldn't agree with you more. You know, there's no
way that trade gets made without ownership. It was just
signing off on it, but pushing for it. And then
they just they don't have the fortitude to a standard
when you don't even have your team. Kyrie's not back
till till spring. You know, Anthony Davis hasn't been healthy.
And Cooper Cooper Flag just started playing NBA basketball and
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he's playing point guard, which is not his position.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Right It's it all happened in time.
Speaker 9 (20:45):
But they're experimenting right now. I mean they're they're spitballing
because they do. They're they're injured, they don't have their
best players, and so how did you think this one
can go? And look, the optics are terrible because of
what Luca is doing. But Luca, like I said it
at the time, I thought, you know, Luca may never
get into the shape that he's in right now if
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he's not traded, if he wasn't shamed into and to
you have to approach things different. And as I've had
people tell me, it's like he's in shape now, he's
been in shape before. Can he sustain this through the season,
And maybe even more important, can you with the usage
rate and the amount of everything going through him, are
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you going to be any closer to a championship with
Luca in La than what you have in Dallas? That
still remains to be seen, and that story still like
at the moment, looks horrible eleven games in, but eleven
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games in is meaningless in the big picture in terms
of whether this actually this deal actually was the right
move to make or not, or who ends up winning
the deal, no question.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Doug Otlib show Fox Sports Trader, that's the voice of
Rick Pugree Jorge here on Fox Sports Radio. When will
Lebron James play NBA basketball?
Speaker 9 (22:07):
When when the opportunity to look good coming in and
it looks like the Lakers need him, I would say
that is it. I don't know that he's in any
rush to play or get back because with his age
he has one. He has one thing in mind. Can
I can I get another ring? Is there another way
to win another? Another ring? And for him, the more he.
Speaker 10 (22:30):
Can make this like the bubble year where he's not
playing a full season.
Speaker 9 (22:35):
He can ramp up at the right time and then
make a run. I think that's why he's He's observing
things the way that he is, which is, how's the
team doing? Are we in contention? Are we in a
good place? And when when's the time right for me
to come in where I can I can find my game,
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I can find my rhythm. Even when regardless of when
he comes back, I woulde I would imagine that he's
going to be in and out over the course of
the season, trying to get himself in prime position to
be a factor in the postseason at this point. And
I don't really blame him for that. But the only
part that I don't get is that he is as
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stoic as he is at the end of the bench
like he's he seems to be so disengaged, and I
that just seems curious to me, because that's not the
way he's been in the past. When he's been out,
he's been far more engaged, And so it raises questions
about what's what's inspiring that.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yes, I would I would tend to I would love
to know what the answer to that is. He would
love to know.
Speaker 9 (23:48):
I mean, there's a reason, let's face it, anything that
Lebron does is not happenstance. Whatever it is calculated. There
is a reason for what he's doing. He knows the
cameras on him, he knows that we're paying attention to
everything that he does. So when he does something this
uh obvious, there's a reason behind it. And I wish
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I could tell you what it is too.
Speaker 10 (24:13):
I don't.
Speaker 9 (24:14):
I don't want to leap the conclusions. There's there's a
lot of a lot of places you could go to
fill the vacuum, and uh, I just but I don't
want to do that because most of most of them
put Lebron in a negative light, and I don't know
that it's fair to jump to that conclusion.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Sammy, have you heard this before? But Joel Embiid has
ruled out for tonight's game. I know it's it's a stunner.
It's really surprising. Yeah, yeah, uh Philadelphia ride this thing out.
Are they going to try and move him?
Speaker 9 (24:43):
Well? I think they would. Uh. I think they would
consider moving him for sure. But I also don't think
that there's anything out there that is going to make
it worthwhile. I would expect that it's let's have on.
Let's again, He's almost in the Lebron situation, and a
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position in terms of we can if we can win
with these guards and we can bring back embid or
a b embads available at the right time. The big
adjustment is going to be on his part. You're going
to be and again much like Lebron, we got we
got new sheriffs in town, we got we have a
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new nucleus, and you are more a complimentary player, still valuable,
still valuable, but you're a complimentary player like this is
our this is what we're building our team around. And
if he's willing to adjust to that, then I would say,
you know what, keep him. I don't know that you're
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going to get anything back. It's it's more valuable and
or more useful. And I would say the same thing
with Lebron, which again goes back kind of back to
the like his disengagement. It's like, if he handles this
the right way, then you know what, you could end
up making a nice run being part of something that
at this point you shouldn't be part of. And but
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it's all a matter of can they supplement their egos
for the greater good? And I with either one of them,
I don't know if they're willing to do that.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
No, I definitely with Lebron, we just does as not
nothing he's done makes you feel as though that's the case,
right the.
Speaker 9 (26:27):
Case I would I would tend to agree.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Rick Buker's our guest here on the Doug Ottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Buke let me let me ask
you about about Steph Curry and the Warriors. Again, we
don't we pay attention for a couple first couple of
games and then nothing else Where are they in that
high hierarchy in the West.
Speaker 9 (26:47):
Uh, pretty much where they were they've been for the
last few years. And I know the run that they
made with Jimmy at the end of the year, But uh,
this is look they've they've aged out. That's just the
reality of it. They they could if they can get
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to the playoffs, they could be an interesting team much
like they were last year.
Speaker 10 (27:12):
They could potentially win around the counting on who they see.
But the but the truth of it is that small.
Speaker 9 (27:19):
Ball has expired. It's more tall ball in terms of
teams are playing still playing fast, but they now have
they don't have six six Draymond Greens as that point forward.
They got they got sixty eight six nine guys that
are doing it, and they've got seven footers who can
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protect the rim and space the floor. Uh so, and
and the talent that they have is just is deeper
than what the Warriors have. It's it is, I mean,
it's just cyclical. This is what the league is built on,
which is you can only stay at the top so long.
To stay there, you have to pay your guys, and
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then your guys get older, your core, and you're the
hamstrung as far as your ability to put talent around them.
Speaker 10 (28:12):
And so you just hit a certain limit.
Speaker 9 (28:15):
And you look across the board at the teams that
are out there, and the stars that they're competing against
are all in their prime. Every every every team, I
mean Luka Doncis even Luka Doostich in his prime, Nikola
Jokic in his prime, Shay Gilgess, Alexander you know, still
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maybe coming into his prime. Look across the board and
all of Uston Rockets, I'm Alpha and Sengoon in that group, Like,
there's just too many teams that are that are in
their prime. They can play, they're not phased at all
by the way that the Warriors play, and Meanwhile, the
Warriors are an older team that just doesn't have the
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requisite collective talent to compete with the rest of the West.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
At the top Stut Gottlieb show on Fox Sports Trader.
That's the one and only Rick Buker. He's awesome. Oh
I'm sorry, Go ahead there, Jays. Jase dou has something
for you, Rick.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
Yeah, Rick, your podcast is called on the Ball with
Rick Buker.
Speaker 9 (29:17):
There is, I'm actually doing a couple of them.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
Now.
Speaker 9 (29:20):
On the Ball with Rick Buker is my solo podcast,
Finding the Scenes is that's a friend in Heywood. And
then I'm doing an international basketball podcast with Boston Knockbar.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (29:33):
Look at all these humber Braggs, multiple languages, multiple podcasts.
But I did want to focus on your podcast called
on the Ball because Doug's Dougs podcast All Ball on
the Scene.
Speaker 9 (29:45):
Yeah, I know, I know. Well Doug didn't check with
me before he came up with his But I collaborate.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
You guys could do a collaboration.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Well, we have actually discussed it.
Speaker 6 (29:57):
We have actually discussed, but it should be called All
on the Ball, which which sounds like a drill, like
like when I like on the.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Ball on the seams. I'm a big seams guy.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah, but because because the best of the best can
pass the ball, so you catch it on the seams
and there's like very few people on earth that can
do that.
Speaker 6 (30:16):
But Doug, isn't there a drill when you do practice?
You throw the ball out and you want your players
to dive on the loose balls, all on the ball,
all on the ball.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Let's go with Rick on the Let's called first on
the floor. All on the ball, first on the first
on the Just ignore him Rick. He means well, but
he can be. He can, he can be a lot.
He can.
Speaker 9 (30:43):
Just want of the bells and whistles and I can
appreciate that exactly.
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Speaker 2 (31:20):
Here's Dan Byer with the Press.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
The Press, Doug, it is the story of the day
that the Dallas Mavericks fire general manager Nico Harrison.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Uh, I'm surprised by it.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
I'm stunned by it, actually, Like, what what possibly has
changed between the offseason and now that you need to
fire your gentle manager because they're struggling when they don't
have their two superstars playing.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
I can't believe that the Mavericks aren't better. How's Kyrie
playing well?
Speaker 4 (31:55):
He's not.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
How's Anthony Davis playing well? He's not.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Now, if the argument is you acquired Innthony Davis for
Luka Doncik, who you thought would get hurt, and Anthony
Davis is always hurt.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Fair argument.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
But that hasn't actually changed. Remember he got hurt when
he first got there.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
None of this has changed. Dan, you look like you
have something on your mind. A counterpoint.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
No, it's not a counterpoint.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
I think that the timing is unique, but I think
I think Nico should have been fired after he traded Luca.
I think he should have been fired after taking credit
for winning the lottery, which was none of his doing.
They just stunk and somehow got lucky. So the timing
is unique, but there is at some point this organization
has to try to win back their fan base because
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it hasn't happened since the day that they traded Luca.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
So maybe I just again, I think their messaging was
so bad there there was never any ay, look, we
get it, but you know we did just go to
the NBA Finals and the same guy built that team,
so give me a second whatever. I mean again, the
ownership group, the owner that fired him was the same
owner that absolutely okay the Luca trade, and that part sticks.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
And I also, I just I've never felt that the
Luca trade and the fans reaction was about winning, and
that's as crazy as that sounds. And I think that
the Mavericks would have been competitive with Luca there, but
it was never about bringing home that championship. I just
always felt that the Mavericks fans loved having Luca be
(33:27):
their guy, maybe so much more than any other player
in the entire NBA. And I think that that so
for trading him to try to get better and win championships.
Is I don't think that the fans necessarily cared. So yeah,
but it is three and eight start to the season
on a long season when your pieces aren't there. Just
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the timing was odd. So it wasn't any contradiction or
anything A great Steelers said. Coach Mike Tomlin says he
has no long term reservations about quarterback Aaron Rodgers following
Sunday's up performance against the Chargers.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
What are his choices?
Speaker 9 (34:05):
Right?
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Was that Chris was that Chris Rock A man is
only as faithful as his options. What are his options?
Speaker 5 (34:11):
There was a report a couple of weeks ago where
the Steelers were looking at Rogers as a possibility for
next year that while Rogers may be looking this is
a as a one year sort of deal, that Pittsburgh
would be interested in him coming back.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
We'll have to see that.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Was that was previously. I think that's dated. I think, well,
there's last couple last couple of weeks he's looked.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
Like that and it looked good against the Bengals and
they I mean, his stats aren't off the charts, but
he has he has even with the bad game against
the Chargers stabilized the position somewhat. They're just not getting
a lot of extra from it.
Speaker 6 (34:52):
Sure, Mason Rudolph is still the backup.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
Yeah, he was in Tennessee last year and then came
back drafted. Will Howard, who's on IR Bill Belichick's in
North Carolina and the New York Giants job is open.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
He was asked about it today at a u n
C press conference.
Speaker 6 (35:11):
I know, when you got here, you said you're not
coming here to leave, But as.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Soon as the Giants jab came open yesterday.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
Your name got thrown out there. I'm certain sure to
go with other NFL jobs. What is your message to
players to recruits?
Speaker 6 (35:22):
I'm sure people aren't asking me about that. Who want
to come in for?
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (35:26):
Getting ready for wait for us? That's all I got
this week.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
Has anyone asked you or the players or recruits want
to know in myn the future?
Speaker 11 (35:35):
I mean I've been asked about it from time to time,
but yeah, look, I've been done this road before. I'm
focused on wait for Us. That's it, and that's my
commitment of this team. And next week it'll be to
our next opponent and so forth. But you know, I'm
here to do the best I can for this team.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
He didn't know who they played next. That was my key.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
I think it was gamesmanship because it was Duke.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
I don't want to mention their name.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Yes, maybe didn't want to say Duke.
Speaker 6 (36:06):
Wait what they do play wake Forest next?
Speaker 4 (36:09):
It's no, it's after wake Forest.
Speaker 6 (36:12):
Oh, he's so focused on wake Forest. He doesn't even
know who they point in two weeks. Yes, for me,
that's consistent with is wayne message. They're on a winning streak.
They've won two in a row, Billy b winning streak.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Then they played Duke.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Then they play in C State, so they're they're not
leaving the the research triangle for the rest of the season,
right Wake Duke n C State.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Creeping towards a possible Bowl Berth Bowl Berth.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
You know what's crazy is do we how many bowls
do we still have?
Speaker 5 (36:43):
I think this is around forty? Yeah, forty of them
forty two Because the Bulls are incorporated within the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Yes, the playoffs they are, but the other ones do
that ship? Will they exist much longer with more and
more players opting out of them?
Speaker 5 (37:01):
Well, it's never been about players, you know that. It's
always been about can those markets make money?
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Yep?
Speaker 5 (37:05):
And those Bowl games make money? And when they don't,
they don't stick around. Yah, they'll do They show up
Gasparilla bull This news just in. The CFL Board of
Governors has unanimously voted to allow their players to compete
in flag football in the twenty twenty eight Summer Olympics.
So the Canadian Football League says, go ahead. Now they
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also play in the summertime as well, heading into the fall.
But Canada saying, yeah, go ahead, play in flag football
if you want.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
So are we saying that Canada's gonna be a beast
in flag football Olympics in La Hey?
Speaker 5 (37:44):
I don't think because you play for the Edmonton Elks
that you can play for Team Canada. I still think
if a majority of those players are American they could
play for Team USA. But if they wanted to play
for Team USA, they could.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
And that's the press.
Speaker 6 (37:56):
That is the press they get out there, and press
that was the press.
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Second hour of the show, we will talk about Nico
Harrison getting fired. Our good friend Rick Bucker has got
a new podcast. He's gonna join us at twenty after
the hour, plus we'll check in with all things When
or will Lebron James play this year? That's always interesting
and new uh to me. Plus we got the press,
plus we got other stuff going on before we get
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to that. We like to do this every Tuesday, a
way of recapping things that even we in the media
missed talking about yesterday because there's just too much stuff.
It's called Tuesday Morning Quarterback Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
This is Tuesday Morning Quarterback in the afternoon. Mondays can
be overwhelming. Tuesdays are getting to whatever we didn't get.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
To on Monday.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Yes, sir, day Morning Quarterback in the afternoon.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
We all look at the football season from a different perspective.
We watch different games, different ways of watching.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Some our red zone guys, some are locked into one game.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
When guys Dan's doing his show Tuesday Sunday afternoons, let's
start with you, Dan, Let's let's let's let's get the floor.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
You to you, Tuesday Morning Quarterback. What do you want
us to get to?
Speaker 5 (01:58):
Yeah, so I do want to get to the Seattle Seahawks,
my team with a huge showdown against the Rams coming
up on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
But I want to talk about the Most.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Valuable Player Award because I think that there is an
interesting conversation for the odds that we just talked about
when we did rank them bet online having and this
was as of this morning. Matthew Stafford your favorite at
three to one, Drake May plus three twenty five, Jonathan
Taylor plus three fifty. Sam Donald is sitting there right
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now with the sixth shortest odds at plus eight point
fifty at seventeen to two, and the Seahawks and their
record and Donald's passer rating are all reasons for Donald
to be a candidate. But Jackson Smith and Jigba is
one hundred to one, and when Sam Donald is only
throwing it to Jackson Smith and Jigba, I don't know
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how Sam Donald or anybody else could be higher than
Jackson Smith and Jigba in that conversation. If we're having
the conversation at Jonathan Taylor like we are, I think
we need to have it about Jackson Smith and Jigba,
who is on pace to possibly break Calvin Johnson's all
time record for receiving yards in a season, Like the
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two thousand yard mark for JSN is not out of
the realm of possibilities. Nineteen sixty four is the number
that Kelvin Johnson set in twenty twelve. Cooper Cup almost
broke it a few years ago, fell just short of it.
But Doug the target number for Jackson Smith and Jigma
on the season, and this is something that we talked
(03:34):
about in our latest I Want Your Flex podcast episode
with Mike Harmon and our executive producer Ian Roddy. I'm
also plugging that podcast.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Such a name dropper.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
Jackson Smith and Jigba has eighty five targets on the season.
Second most on the team is Cooper Cup with thirty five.
There is a fifty target gap between first and second
on the Seahawks. So if Sam Donald, who is basically
only throwing to Jackson Smith and Jigba, is considered an
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MVP candidate, how is JSN so far down the line
at one hundred to one? And I know the answer.
Donald's a quarterback, Jsn's a wide receiver. I understand that.
But when you have one guy who has single handedly
been your really your entire offense because they haven't been
running the football that well, that to me stands out
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like a sore thumb. He's not gonna win it, but
I mean he is the reason. If the quarterback is
throwing to just one guy, I think it should be
the guy who's catching the football and not the one
who's throwing the football.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Uh, great point. I mean Cooper we were talking about,
you know, Cooper Cup. Cooper Cup was MVP of the
Super Bowl, rightfully so, because all they did was thow
to him on the last drive against the Bengals. If
that's the case, if Cooper Cup can be the why
can't Jackson Smith and Jigbob the MVP of the league
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considering his team's winning and he's the biggest reason.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Why.
Speaker 6 (05:06):
What did you think of the way they utilized the
new player from.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
The Saints, Rashid Chiheed.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
They were up so big they really didn't have to.
He did return a couple of kicks. I know that's
going to add a different dimension, but he really wasn't
needed on Sunday because they were up so much.
Speaker 6 (05:23):
I did notice too, that Sam Donald did some real
Sam Donald things in the second half. Yes, you did.
Trying to make it close.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
Yeah, three turnovers, fumble, two interceptions, one of the excuse me,
two fumbles, one interception. The interception was the ricochet off
the helmet, second time that's happened this season. Fumbled snap
inside your own five yard line. That doesn't help. And
there was a strip sack. Joshwat was able to strip
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Donald of the football, and something that happened to Donald
multiple times this year. I'm going to continue to harp
on the Seahawks turning over the football, kind of like
Jason does with the Dodgers. Even though everything looks good,
there are still problems. So if the Seax lose on Sunday,
it's very likely going to be because of bad turnovers.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Uh okay, there, I'll take one again.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
And we haven't. I don't think we've discussed. I know Sam's,
I don't know yours. Jase too.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
I group text. I started the group text with my subject.
Sam belatedly contributed his You and Dan ignored it.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
There's oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I know what you want.
That's not what I want to do.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
I want to be sorry that I just have to.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
I didn't ignore it because you sent me a specific
single text to ask about what my what my thing was?
So I gave you a topic and I did give
you an answer. I just this is way too inside.
Don't paint me as the scofflaw who did not follow
up on the group text.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Please don't. All right, Doug, the floor is yours.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
I just this is me going, hey, Rob Parker is
having a really tough time because he's always called Matt
Stafford stat Padford. Right, isn't that what he calls him?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Is that? Am I? Right? Sam?
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Stat Padford?
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Matt Stafford is nasty and he's having an unbelievable year
that I'm guessing that. I'm guessing Dan. You know the stats,
because that's your how your brain works, Jay Stu. Any
idea of what his touchdown interception ratio is.
Speaker 6 (07:38):
No idea. I just know the last four.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Week twenty five touchdowns, two interceptions all season twenty five
and two.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
And here's the guy pretty good. Yeah, here's a guy
who remember was it last year?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Year before they were like, eh, you know, you might
want to finish somewhere else, he went checked out the market.
Everything was about his bad back. What are they going
to do if he retires? And I mean, Stafford's this
weird quarterback that he's unbelievably talented and when he's in
a rhythm, holy count.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Now, I will grant you Niners aren't very good right now.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
And the previous game was against the Saints, but before
that it was the Jags.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Whatever. But twenty five and two over a season twenty
five and two is crazy.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
He should be in any conversation of best quarterback in
the league, should be any conversation of MVP league.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
And I remember, this is a.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Guy that some people thought might retire before the season started.
Matt Stafford, that's my Tuesday morning quarterback. The Okay, let
me get to Jay Stewart, you're up.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
I don't know about your guys' process, but whenever I
see like one of these aggregators send out these stats,
I send it to myself. I'm like, I want at
some point it might come up on the air this week.
I'm just gonna send this to myself, and Doug just
handed it to me like a Wheelhouse fastball.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
Did you guys know the milestone that Matthew Stafford reached
on Sunday. He now has a career NFL record as
a starting quarterback of one fifteen one fifteen and one.
He reached five hundred. Oh. It's the most career starts
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that any NFL quarterback has ever gone. Reaching five hundred
for the first time at three hundred or two hundred
and thirty one pretty amazing to me. But I want
to talk about another mid quarterback, or was considered mid
up until about eight weeks ago, and now people are
(09:38):
trying to tell us that they always knew that he
would go back to being mid. This is Daniel Jones. Okay,
Daniel Jones had a surprising start to the season, and
surprising in this regard. He was always turnover prone. That
was his thing coming in and I think he went
the first three or four games without turning the ball over.
(09:59):
I think I remember asked in Janual Jeremiah, how do
you coach turnovers out of quarterbacks? Well, the last couple
of weeks, if you guys have been paying attention, he's
thrown four interceptions and in the game Overseas on Sunday,
he put the ball on the rug three times, only
lost one of them, but he fumbled three times. So
if you're doing the math, I think we're looking at
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seven or eight turnovers in the last two weeks. When
will Daniel Jones start playing like Daniel Jones? Maybe we're
seeing signs of that. Jonathan Taylor making up for a
lot of wartz. I did want to point this out.
So before the game Overseas, Kyle Brant was able to
sit down with Daniel Jones and turns out Daniel Jones
is a very boring guy, very uninteresting. In fact, it
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became a part of the conversation that Daniel Jones is
an uninteresting guy. And this is how Daniel Jones chose
to defend himself against that reputation.
Speaker 7 (10:56):
Probably a part of my personality. I feel like I've
never tried to try.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (11:02):
Social media, whatever it is, I don't. I don't share
too much. But yeah, I don't know. I mean, I
think try to play football and hang out with my
family and friends.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Pretty pretty simple.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Yeah, Like I said, I don't. I don't do a ton.
Speaker 7 (11:15):
I mean, I pretty much play football and uh and
hang out.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
I play football and I hang out. Which I've held
this up for a very long time. To make it
to that level, a quarterback needs to be exceptionally gifted
in doing one thing and they don't necessarily do anything else.
They're not worldly, they're not sophisticated. There are very rare,
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rare exceptions to this. If you watch the Netflix Quarterback
season two, you see how boring quarterbacks are. There were
cousins and two other white guys. In fact, the Netflix
special should be called white Quarterbacks, White boring, uninteresting quarterbacks.
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You will see how uninteresting these people are. There's just
no they're there. They are not dynamic, and they're thinking
for a reason, which I'm going to drive the point
home for the one hundredth time on these airwaves. We
cannot take Aaron Rodgers for granted. In twenty years, somebody's
going to be like, wait a minute, A quarterback would
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go on controversial podcasts and say controversial things and said
interesting things. Maybe not everyone agreed with it, but he
said things without any kind of thought for recourse, and
he had an intellectual capacity to have those conversations with
people that were well versed in very complicated matters. And
(12:47):
my answer to my grandkids are gonna be yes. And
most quarterbacks were like Daniel Jones. So I think I
didn't take away your topic? Did I say, am No, Nope,
I have that.
Speaker 8 (13:00):
I would actually love to speak if Aaron Rodgers wants
and I'll get into my point about Aaron Rodgers here
in a second. If he ever wants to have any
dealings with the media in like fifteen years, would be
like a celebrity guest or whatever. He's gonna be like
the NFL's version of like a medicine man. He's gonna
have like long hair, he's gonna have beads on his neck,
he's gonna have more tattoos. He's gonna be talking about,
(13:21):
you know, experimental drugs. If he wants to have a
role in the future, he should embrace being the NFL's
medicine man. Right now, he's with the Steelers, and the
Steelers are slumping. They've lost three of four. And listen,
Sunday Night's game against the Chargers was surprising and he
was mostly, if not partially, the reason they lost the game.
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And he's never been he's never been stiffer looking, and
he's never been older. Obviously, they cannot stop time. It
marches forward. But you still are in the best position
to win with him as your quarterback. So along with
Mike Tomlin giving him a vote of confidence, I'm giving
Aaron Rodgers a vote of confidence.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
I know they're in again.
Speaker 8 (13:59):
The start out four and one, they're five and four,
but they did have that win over the Colts, which
was a nice win. Kind of got people off their
back for a second, I think for the rest of
the year and beyond, Aaron Rodgers should be your QB
one and stick with him and ride it out because
the NFL goes in waves and wins and losses.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
We know that, Dan. Would that be uttered? Would that
rise to the level of a fantasy expertise on your
podcast QB one Aaron Rodgers, Well.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
I wouldn't recommend that as advice of him being the
QB one.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
I would not either.
Speaker 8 (14:32):
Well for the Steelers, you can't well yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I'm just saying. I'm just saying that that part the
reasons they've lost games off and on through the season,
it's been somewhat their defense, and Aaron Rodgers is playing
near that. But Aaron Rodgers a tied for fifth in
the NFL and touchdown passes, so he's still slinging it around.
And again, he's not the Aaron Rodgers of fifteen years
ago now, but I'm just giving him a vote of confidence.
(14:53):
They're slumping right now, but it's not all him. Sunday night,
it was that was a surprising loss, and he played
very poorly, but he also got sacked a bunch, and
so some of it's on him, some of it's on
the line, some of it is on giving the charges credit.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
I do want to get to was that your that
was that your Tuesday morning quarterback yesterday? Bob Okay, So
you had Aaron Rodgers, Jay Stu had uh Dana Jones,
all right, I had uh Matt Stafford and Buyer way
(15:28):
back thirty minutes ago because we all filibustered.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
I don't even remember, like Buyer's was good.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Well it was, Oh, it's Jackson Smith and Jigba right,
and how we overlooked how dominant he's been and how
though he's not going to he should get some sort
of consideration for MVP cor Yes, it's good Tuesday morning
quarterback in the efternoon.
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Speaker 2 (16:31):
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Brendan Huh. I'm sorry with uh go ahead, go ahead
you yeah, I know Brendon. I just I heard you
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Speaker 2 (17:08):
Rick, Why now? Why fire Nigo Harrison?
Speaker 9 (17:10):
Now? Oh? Because the fans had gotten to a point
where they it had become a major distraction, and Patrick Dumont,
the Dumont wanted to be able to the owner, wanted
to be able to go attend games, and that was
going to become increasingly difficult because they were going to
(17:31):
look at him and be waiting for him to fire
an Eco. So I just feel like we always get
We always get mad at the wrong person. You know,
at the beginning of last year what led to the trade.
Luca Donsis comes back and he's not in shape, and
he gets injured again. Everybody people weren't mad at him.
Speaker 10 (17:54):
They were they were mad even then already.
Speaker 9 (17:57):
At Jason Kidd and the Mads and general. And then
they make the move. And this is obviously Patrick Damon
is looking at the ownership is looking at it saying,
we don't want to pony up three hundred and sixty
five million for a guy who seems to be constantly
hurt on our watch. And so Nico goes and makes
(18:18):
the deal. And uh, and now we're mad. We're mad
at Nico and and okay, so we fired Nico. How
does that solve the situation. I know that the fans
feel some satisfaction in seeing him hung out, but I
just this to me is the danger when you're running
(18:40):
a team by crowdsource.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
And well, it's it's the old it's the old Jerry Sloan.
If you listen to fans, soon you become one of them,
right yeah.
Speaker 9 (18:52):
Yeah, And this is and this is a naive fan
who happens to be running the team because look was
it was it a questionable move on the part of
the Mavericks to to move Luka Doncic for what they got. Absolutely, absolutely,
if you're going to move him, try to get try
(19:13):
to get more. But they were also under you know,
from everything I know, it was it was owner mandate
to we're not paying three hundred and sixty five million dollars,
see what you can get. And if you're gonna do
that in short order, and you're gonna be able to
try to pitch them on the idea that that you're
gonna still have some championship possibilities rather than rebuilding, then
(19:38):
the move that they made, I don't know if there's
an appreciably better one that could have been made. The
biggest problem that I have is if you're going to
make this move, if you're if you're if you're going
to allow Nico Harrison or push Nico Harrison to trade
Luka Doncic, you don't eleven games into this season and
(20:00):
then say, oh, that was a mistake. You know, you're
you're gonna pay with your job. They haven't had their
complete team and it's we're eleven games into the season.
It just feels like one naive decision after another by
a naive ownership.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I couldn't agree with you more. You know, there's no
way that trade gets made without ownership. It was just
signing off on it, but pushing for it. And then
they just they don't have the fortitude to a standard
when you don't even have your team. Kyrie's not back
till till spring. You know, Anthony Davis hasn't been healthy.
And Cooper Cooper Flag just started playing NBA basketball and
(20:39):
he's playing point guard, which is not his position.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Right It's it all happened in time.
Speaker 9 (20:45):
But they're experimenting right now. I mean they're they're spitballing
because they do. They're they're injured, they don't have their
best players, and so how did you think this one
can go? And look, the optics are terrible because of
what Luca is doing. But Luca, like I said it
at the time, I thought, you know, Luca may never
get into the shape that he's in right now if
(21:06):
he's not traded, if he wasn't shamed into and to
you have to approach things different. And as I've had
people tell me, it's like he's in shape now, he's
been in shape before. Can he sustain this through the season,
And maybe even more important, can you with the usage
rate and the amount of everything going through him, are
(21:27):
you going to be any closer to a championship with
Luca in La than what you have in Dallas? That
still remains to be seen, and that story still like
at the moment, looks horrible eleven games in, but eleven
(21:47):
games in is meaningless in the big picture in terms
of whether this actually this deal actually was the right
move to make or not, or who ends up winning
the deal, no question.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Doug Otlib show Fox Sports Trader, that's the voice of
Rick Pugree Jorge here on Fox Sports Radio. When will
Lebron James play NBA basketball?
Speaker 9 (22:07):
When when the opportunity to look good coming in and
it looks like the Lakers need him, I would say
that is it. I don't know that he's in any
rush to play or get back because with his age
he has one. He has one thing in mind. Can
I can I get another ring? Is there another way
to win another? Another ring? And for him, the more he.
Speaker 10 (22:30):
Can make this like the bubble year where he's not
playing a full season.
Speaker 9 (22:35):
He can ramp up at the right time and then
make a run. I think that's why he's He's observing
things the way that he is, which is, how's the
team doing? Are we in contention? Are we in a
good place? And when when's the time right for me
to come in where I can I can find my game,
(22:58):
I can find my rhythm. Even when regardless of when
he comes back, I woulde I would imagine that he's
going to be in and out over the course of
the season, trying to get himself in prime position to
be a factor in the postseason at this point. And
I don't really blame him for that. But the only
part that I don't get is that he is as
(23:22):
stoic as he is at the end of the bench
like he's he seems to be so disengaged, and I
that just seems curious to me, because that's not the
way he's been in the past. When he's been out,
he's been far more engaged, And so it raises questions
about what's what's inspiring that.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yes, I would I would tend to I would love
to know what the answer to that is. He would
love to know.
Speaker 9 (23:48):
I mean, there's a reason, let's face it, anything that
Lebron does is not happenstance. Whatever it is calculated. There
is a reason for what he's doing. He knows the
cameras on him, he knows that we're paying attention to
everything that he does. So when he does something this
uh obvious, there's a reason behind it. And I wish
(24:11):
I could tell you what it is too.
Speaker 10 (24:13):
I don't.
Speaker 9 (24:14):
I don't want to leap the conclusions. There's there's a
lot of a lot of places you could go to
fill the vacuum, and uh, I just but I don't
want to do that because most of most of them
put Lebron in a negative light, and I don't know
that it's fair to jump to that conclusion.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Sammy, have you heard this before? But Joel Embiid has
ruled out for tonight's game. I know it's it's a stunner.
It's really surprising. Yeah, yeah, uh Philadelphia ride this thing out.
Are they going to try and move him?
Speaker 9 (24:43):
Well? I think they would. Uh. I think they would
consider moving him for sure. But I also don't think
that there's anything out there that is going to make
it worthwhile. I would expect that it's let's have on.
Let's again, He's almost in the Lebron situation, and a
(25:03):
position in terms of we can if we can win
with these guards and we can bring back embid or
a b embads available at the right time. The big
adjustment is going to be on his part. You're going
to be and again much like Lebron, we got we
got new sheriffs in town, we got we have a
(25:24):
new nucleus, and you are more a complimentary player, still valuable,
still valuable, but you're a complimentary player like this is
our this is what we're building our team around. And
if he's willing to adjust to that, then I would say,
you know what, keep him. I don't know that you're
(25:44):
going to get anything back. It's it's more valuable and
or more useful. And I would say the same thing
with Lebron, which again goes back kind of back to
the like his disengagement. It's like, if he handles this
the right way, then you know what, you could end
up making a nice run being part of something that
at this point you shouldn't be part of. And but
(26:08):
it's all a matter of can they supplement their egos
for the greater good? And I with either one of them,
I don't know if they're willing to do that.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
No, I definitely with Lebron, we just does as not
nothing he's done makes you feel as though that's the case,
right the.
Speaker 9 (26:27):
Case I would I would tend to agree.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Rick Buker's our guest here on the Doug Ottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Buke let me let me ask
you about about Steph Curry and the Warriors. Again, we
don't we pay attention for a couple first couple of
games and then nothing else Where are they in that
high hierarchy in the West.
Speaker 9 (26:47):
Uh, pretty much where they were they've been for the
last few years. And I know the run that they
made with Jimmy at the end of the year, But uh,
this is look they've they've aged out. That's just the
reality of it. They they could if they can get
(27:08):
to the playoffs, they could be an interesting team much
like they were last year.
Speaker 10 (27:12):
They could potentially win around the counting on who they see.
But the but the truth of it is that small.
Speaker 9 (27:19):
Ball has expired. It's more tall ball in terms of
teams are playing still playing fast, but they now have
they don't have six six Draymond Greens as that point forward.
They got they got sixty eight six nine guys that
are doing it, and they've got seven footers who can
(27:40):
protect the rim and space the floor. Uh so, and
and the talent that they have is just is deeper
than what the Warriors have. It's it is, I mean,
it's just cyclical. This is what the league is built on,
which is you can only stay at the top so long.
To stay there, you have to pay your guys, and
(28:03):
then your guys get older, your core, and you're the
hamstrung as far as your ability to put talent around them.
Speaker 10 (28:12):
And so you just hit a certain limit.
Speaker 9 (28:15):
And you look across the board at the teams that
are out there, and the stars that they're competing against
are all in their prime. Every every every team, I
mean Luka Doncis even Luka Doostich in his prime, Nikola
Jokic in his prime, Shay Gilgess, Alexander you know, still
(28:36):
maybe coming into his prime. Look across the board and
all of Uston Rockets, I'm Alpha and Sengoon in that group, Like,
there's just too many teams that are that are in
their prime. They can play, they're not phased at all
by the way that the Warriors play, and Meanwhile, the
Warriors are an older team that just doesn't have the
(28:59):
requisite collective talent to compete with the rest of the West.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
At the top Stut Gottlieb show on Fox Sports Trader.
That's the one and only Rick Buker. He's awesome. Oh
I'm sorry, Go ahead there, Jays. Jase dou has something
for you, Rick.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
Yeah, Rick, your podcast is called on the Ball with
Rick Buker.
Speaker 9 (29:17):
There is, I'm actually doing a couple of them.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
Now.
Speaker 9 (29:20):
On the Ball with Rick Buker is my solo podcast,
Finding the Scenes is that's a friend in Heywood. And
then I'm doing an international basketball podcast with Boston Knockbar.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (29:33):
Look at all these humber Braggs, multiple languages, multiple podcasts.
But I did want to focus on your podcast called
on the Ball because Doug's Dougs podcast All Ball on
the Scene.
Speaker 9 (29:45):
Yeah, I know, I know. Well Doug didn't check with
me before he came up with his But I collaborate.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
You guys could do a collaboration.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Well, we have actually discussed it.
Speaker 6 (29:57):
We have actually discussed, but it should be called All
on the Ball, which which sounds like a drill, like
like when I like on the.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Ball on the seams. I'm a big seams guy.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah, but because because the best of the best can
pass the ball, so you catch it on the seams
and there's like very few people on earth that can
do that.
Speaker 6 (30:16):
But Doug, isn't there a drill when you do practice?
You throw the ball out and you want your players
to dive on the loose balls, all on the ball,
all on the ball.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Let's go with Rick on the Let's called first on
the floor. All on the ball, first on the first
on the Just ignore him Rick. He means well, but
he can be. He can, he can be a lot.
He can.
Speaker 9 (30:43):
Just want of the bells and whistles and I can
appreciate that exactly.
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Speaker 2 (31:20):
Here's Dan Byer with the Press.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
The Press, Doug, it is the story of the day
that the Dallas Mavericks fire general manager Nico Harrison.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Uh, I'm surprised by it.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
I'm stunned by it, actually, Like, what what possibly has
changed between the offseason and now that you need to
fire your gentle manager because they're struggling when they don't
have their two superstars playing.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
I can't believe that the Mavericks aren't better. How's Kyrie
playing well?
Speaker 4 (31:55):
He's not.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
How's Anthony Davis playing well? He's not.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Now, if the argument is you acquired Innthony Davis for
Luka Doncik, who you thought would get hurt, and Anthony
Davis is always hurt.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Fair argument.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
But that hasn't actually changed. Remember he got hurt when
he first got there.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
None of this has changed. Dan, you look like you
have something on your mind. A counterpoint.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
No, it's not a counterpoint.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
I think that the timing is unique, but I think
I think Nico should have been fired after he traded Luca.
I think he should have been fired after taking credit
for winning the lottery, which was none of his doing.
They just stunk and somehow got lucky. So the timing
is unique, but there is at some point this organization
has to try to win back their fan base because
(32:39):
it hasn't happened since the day that they traded Luca.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
So maybe I just again, I think their messaging was
so bad there there was never any ay, look, we
get it, but you know we did just go to
the NBA Finals and the same guy built that team,
so give me a second whatever. I mean again, the
ownership group, the owner that fired him was the same
owner that absolutely okay the Luca trade, and that part sticks.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
And I also, I just I've never felt that the
Luca trade and the fans reaction was about winning, and
that's as crazy as that sounds. And I think that
the Mavericks would have been competitive with Luca there, but
it was never about bringing home that championship. I just
always felt that the Mavericks fans loved having Luca be
(33:27):
their guy, maybe so much more than any other player
in the entire NBA. And I think that that so
for trading him to try to get better and win championships.
Is I don't think that the fans necessarily cared. So yeah,
but it is three and eight start to the season
on a long season when your pieces aren't there. Just
(33:50):
the timing was odd. So it wasn't any contradiction or
anything A great Steelers said. Coach Mike Tomlin says he
has no long term reservations about quarterback Aaron Rodgers following
Sunday's up performance against the Chargers.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
What are his choices?
Speaker 9 (34:05):
Right?
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Was that Chris was that Chris Rock A man is
only as faithful as his options. What are his options?
Speaker 5 (34:11):
There was a report a couple of weeks ago where
the Steelers were looking at Rogers as a possibility for
next year that while Rogers may be looking this is
a as a one year sort of deal, that Pittsburgh
would be interested in him coming back.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
We'll have to see that.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Was that was previously. I think that's dated. I think, well,
there's last couple last couple of weeks he's looked.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
Like that and it looked good against the Bengals and
they I mean, his stats aren't off the charts, but
he has he has even with the bad game against
the Chargers stabilized the position somewhat. They're just not getting
a lot of extra from it.
Speaker 6 (34:52):
Sure, Mason Rudolph is still the backup.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
Yeah, he was in Tennessee last year and then came
back drafted. Will Howard, who's on IR Bill Belichick's in
North Carolina and the New York Giants job is open.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
He was asked about it today at a u n
C press conference.
Speaker 6 (35:11):
I know, when you got here, you said you're not
coming here to leave, But as.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Soon as the Giants jab came open yesterday.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
Your name got thrown out there. I'm certain sure to
go with other NFL jobs. What is your message to
players to recruits?
Speaker 6 (35:22):
I'm sure people aren't asking me about that. Who want
to come in for?
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (35:26):
Getting ready for wait for us? That's all I got
this week.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
Has anyone asked you or the players or recruits want
to know in myn the future?
Speaker 11 (35:35):
I mean I've been asked about it from time to time,
but yeah, look, I've been done this road before. I'm
focused on wait for Us. That's it, and that's my
commitment of this team. And next week it'll be to
our next opponent and so forth. But you know, I'm
here to do the best I can for this team.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
He didn't know who they played next. That was my key.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
I think it was gamesmanship because it was Duke.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
I don't want to mention their name.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Yes, maybe didn't want to say Duke.
Speaker 6 (36:06):
Wait what they do play wake Forest next?
Speaker 4 (36:09):
It's no, it's after wake Forest.
Speaker 6 (36:12):
Oh, he's so focused on wake Forest. He doesn't even
know who they point in two weeks. Yes, for me,
that's consistent with is wayne message. They're on a winning streak.
They've won two in a row, Billy b winning streak.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Then they played Duke.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Then they play in C State, so they're they're not
leaving the the research triangle for the rest of the season,
right Wake Duke n C State.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Creeping towards a possible Bowl Berth Bowl Berth.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
You know what's crazy is do we how many bowls
do we still have?
Speaker 5 (36:43):
I think this is around forty? Yeah, forty of them
forty two Because the Bulls are incorporated within the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Yes, the playoffs they are, but the other ones do
that ship? Will they exist much longer with more and
more players opting out of them?
Speaker 5 (37:01):
Well, it's never been about players, you know that. It's
always been about can those markets make money?
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Yep?
Speaker 5 (37:05):
And those Bowl games make money? And when they don't,
they don't stick around. Yah, they'll do They show up
Gasparilla bull This news just in. The CFL Board of
Governors has unanimously voted to allow their players to compete
in flag football in the twenty twenty eight Summer Olympics.
So the Canadian Football League says, go ahead. Now they
(37:27):
also play in the summertime as well, heading into the fall.
But Canada saying, yeah, go ahead, play in flag football
if you want.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
So are we saying that Canada's gonna be a beast
in flag football Olympics in La Hey?
Speaker 5 (37:44):
I don't think because you play for the Edmonton Elks
that you can play for Team Canada. I still think
if a majority of those players are American they could
play for Team USA. But if they wanted to play
for Team USA, they could.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
And that's the press.
Speaker 6 (37:56):
That is the press they get out there, and press
that was the press.
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