December 1, 2025 • 29 mins
Doug weighs in on the answer Erin Andrews gave on the things that you need to be prepared to miss and deal with if you choose to be in sports broadcasting. Doug reacts to Dan Beyer's take on Lane Kiffin. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart chooses as most annoying today. Plus, Browns lineman Shelby Harris makes today's installment of "Because We Can".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Up Doug Gottlieb Show in the Bonus Fox Sports Radio. Iheartradia.
Welcome in, dude. Okay, I want to have a discussion.
Happy holidays. Hope you had a great Thanksgiving weekend. I
had all three of my kids up in Wisconsin, first
time I had all three of them together, and it
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on paper, great idea. In practice it was good though
it was it was really good. It did make I
heard Aaron Andrews say something last week and social media
had it's kind of fun and everybody took sides. Jace,
do you you have that? Don't you you have the
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the sound of what Aaron Andrews said.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah, it's from her podcast with Carrissa Thompson and that
that podcast is produced by some very familiar to this program,
Ryan Music. And this is how Aaron sets it up. Okay,
I'm gonna I'm gonna give her defense of this before
we play the sound, because I want to add proper context.
She's obviously not happy with just a small clip that's
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out there on social media. So when Trey Wingo kind
of called her out for complaining. She says, I'm sure
you went back and saw that I wasn't complaining about working.
I'm sure you saw it was a segment where we
answered questions from people, young women, asking about being a
sideline reporter. What to know about it? What you miss?
(01:35):
My whole point is not just about wanting to be
on camera and hanging in with athletes. You have to
work and love it and deal with the over reactions
to clickbait. So this is what she's referring to, this
clip that made that went viral.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
This is what one of my first professors said. If
you don't want to make forty thousand in your first job,
get out. If you don't want to be told you
need a nose job, get out. If you don't want
to divorce, get out. If you don't want to work holidays,
get out. And I don't say it like that, but
I say you gotta love what you do, because I
miss all holidays. I didn't get married till I was
in my forties. Not that that is going to be
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your route, but I live out of a suitcase. I
miss a lot of stuff. I missed a lot of weddings.
I miss a lot of events. You have to love
it to get you through the fact I'm not going
to be home for Thanksgiving next week. You know, our
Christmas is cut short.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Okay, So that's caused a ton of reactions, ton of reactions.
I think there's a I think it's actually a really
really good discussion. And I actually am sensitive on some
level to Aaron's feelings, not because we're not friends, like
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at all, Like I know her, we've never worked together.
I have no idea if she likes me, doesn't like me,
doesn't matter. I can I can speak to like a
lot of the things she said. I think you don't
necessarily have to miss Thanksgiving. It's just you have to
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understand that Thanksgiving is going to look different, that's going
to look for other people, and whomever you find as
a partner has to understand that and embrace that. The
cool parts about this job is your home when other
people are at work. The bad part about this job
is you're at working other people at home. And it's
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especially true if you want to make it. Because if
you want to make it, and I don't think there's
anybody would argue I made it in television, I made
it in radio, and I continue to try and maybe
I'm not the same with the same energy that I had.
I tried to though, and that's why, you know, people
ask all the time, like why do you fill in
on Cowhard? Why do you fill in on Dan Patrick?
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Those shows are bigger than mine, And it's a a
three hour promo for our show to a wider audience
than traditionally listen that listens to our show. That's just
a reality to it. And you know, I worked on
Thanksgiving weekend where we worked Friday. I've done the Diamond
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Classic three years in a row in uh in Honolulu.
My ex wife went there once with me, didn't two
different years, Like, and she has the same opinion as
other people, like you should have you should have traditions.
You should be home on the holidays. Like my thing was, like, wow,
I bring your kids there. It's an awesome job. Every
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job has its challenges. Yes, you have to love the job,
but you have to understand that with any job, your
level of success oftentimes is going to be set against
what you're willing to sacrifice. And if you're not willing
to sacrifice those things, okay, don't have to. I would
also point out though that some people will not. Aaron
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didn't do it, but I've seen other people, especially women,
that will say it's just harder for a woman, Like,
do you think guys like leaving their families they go
to work on holidays? Nobody does. Maybe it's slightly different
when you're a mom, but it's just as hard when
your dad, maybe because you know, sometimes people don't make
dads feel like they're missed. I thought it would triggered
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a really good discussion. I thought it was really interesting,
and I think everybody exposes themselves as to you know,
many people, if people are jealous of or don't like
Aaron or whatever, they extract their pound of flesh, or
if they're jealous of people on TV, they expound the
pout of flesh. Or if they want to play the victim,
then they side with Aaron and do some sort of
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victim thing. I don't think she came across as playing
the victim. I think she came across as very, very
matter of fact. Hey, look I made it. I've had
an incredible career, I have an incredible life. I didn't
get married to my forties. My life would be very
different if I didn't have these jobs, but I was
willing to sacrifice them because I wanted to make it.
What do you think, Jase Tuo?
Speaker 3 (06:12):
No, I agree. I agree with almost all this, and
I really do. I understand where she's coming from. I
know these people. I know a lot of people who
choose this for a living, and I understand what she's saying.
But I will say this the we're going to play
something later on this podcast from OBJ and I said,
I'll say the same thing about this. There's a little
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bit of a disconnect, right because she's talking to another
successful broadcaster who's made a lot of money. Aaron's sitting
on a bunch of money. And so when you say
stuff to the common listener or even people coming up
that my professor told me, you know, twenty years ago
that you got to be prepared to work for forty
thousand dollars. There are people today right now that don't
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make forty thousand dollars. It's twenty twenty five. That's sad,
But at that point it's kind of a disconnect because
if you're saying that twenty years ago, what are you
saying about it now? And she has to know that.
I think she knows better than that, and I will
say this too, there are sharks in the water on
social media, and if you want to steer clear of
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the potshots she's been taken. She shouldn't known better than
as a pretty white woman who makes seven figures. There's
always going to be sharks looking to call pretty white
women privileged. So she got a tidal wave of that reaction,
the political reaction. Can't believe your complaining about making this
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money and being in this position. So I totally get
what she was talking about. It's just I think I'm
a little bit taken back by that she didn't know
better than to kind of say these things out loud,
like it only brought her negative attention. And then, like
you said, then there was the over compensation from people
in the business who wanted to share in the victimhood
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and be better friends with her who posted it was
a weird reaction. But anyways, that was kind of my thoughts.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah, it is a weird reaction. I understand the disconnect.
I actually think that's where you can give people a
little bit of You can gain their respect by saying, like, look,
I understand I make a lot of money for this.
I stay in nice hotels, there is a downside to it, right.
The downside is everybody else gets together for Thanksgiving. I'm
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on television, and it's not just like you're there the
whole day. You got to go to these meetings or whatever,
and you have to change your schedule and you have
to work around it. If you're not one to work
around it, then you're not ultimately not ultimately going to
see the financial benefits, you know. And look when I
was in at CBS, I live in Westport, Connecticut. Everybody
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around you is working in New York City. And my
ex wife would be like, you work all the time.
You work every weekend, you know. My My thing. The
reason I left ESPN was I was doing this exact
same time lot, and I was working five months of
college basketball, and I was filling in for other TV shows,
and so in my mind, I worked every afternoon, many evenings,
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you know, many evenings, which is which are great. I
loved it, you know, But then I was gone every
weekend and I was like, God, I'm never going to
see my kids play sports. I can't go to after
school stuff. I just can't. That's when I work. And
CBS offered the ability to move to California. Some of
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it was to be closer to home, but a lot
of it was because the same show was twelve to
three and then I had the afternoons with my family.
It was a work around that same sacrifice. And yeah,
it was great to be on TV every Saturday, but
I literally had to cut out of you know, baby
swim classes at like ten thirty when they were ten
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to eleven because I had to make sure I had
my makeup on. I was in my chair at eleven thirty,
were on at twelve. So again, I agree with you,
there is that disconnect. I think you can make up
for it by simply saying this is it's a great job.
It's not without its pitfalls, and one of the pitfalls
is you're gonna work when other people at home. If
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you want to make it, you're gonna work when other
people at home because sports happens on the holidays, especially
the ones that she covers.
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Speaker 2 (10:34):
Let's Get the Fox Says and Now.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
What does the Fox Say?
Speaker 2 (10:39):
A special version of what the Fox says. We bring
back for you a special edition where we get different
perspectives on the biggest topics in supports. You may have
heard it earlier today or early this weekend on Fox
Sports Radio Fox Sports One. Today, we're doing three different
perspectives on Lane Kiffin's exodus from Oxford on his way
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to Baton Rouge. Here's Kerrie Rhodes and her own Dan
Meyer yesterday on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
Do you think LSU would have had a problem with
Lane Kiffin coaching throughout this playoff run? If he's coaching
into January, if they're winning games, do you think that
they would have had an issue with it. That's a
good point. I think they totally would have. Probably, I
think that they totally would have. And I think that
if if Ole Miss loses their opening game after being
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as good as they were all season long, that it's
easy to put it on Lane Kiffin. Now they kind
of if they lose, it's going to be Lane Kiffin's
fault anyway, but that it would be pointed at him
that maybe he was, you know, having you know, trying
to be in two spots at one time that wasn't feasible.
The timing can't be perfect on everything. Yeah, and for
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Lane Kiffin, who I will give credit has worked his
way back. He probably got too much too soon and
has worked his way back and earned the opportunity to
do so to be able to take that job. I
just I understand the hurt feelings. I understand all of it. Yeah,
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it's just the timing doesn't work out and the timing stinks.
So I can't Ultimately, I can't blame Lane Kiffin because
that's the world of college athletics.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
Yeah, they're getting ready to prepare for the college football playoffs,
probably going to have a home game, and he wanted
to stay on, but he also wants to take some
of the coaching staff and reportedly wants to poach some
of the players. Now, the players, I understand if they
came to Old Miss for Lane Kiffin and may want
to play for him at LSU. As far as these
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coaches go, they may want to go. Maybe a few
of them were on the private plane yesterday. Old Miss
owes Lane kiffen gratitude for the wins, but once he
walks out the door, they don't know him anymore than
just that he did a great job there. I don't
think any buddies denying that. But he made this a
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public mess. And that's the problem I had with this.
You're kind of toying with the situation. You were toying
with Old Miss, you were toying with these kids, you
were toying with your fan base. You know you could
have waited. We could have waited till you know, you
beat Mississippi State and say I'd love to coach this team.
But he's already said this team, these teams that Old
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Miss can't win a national title because money wasn't the issue.
He said he spoke to God. Now I don't know
if God is Nick Saban. Maybe he did speak to God,
but I was thinking maybe he spoke to Nick Saban,
and Saban said, yes, it's time to take the next step,
my son.
Speaker 7 (13:42):
Say what you want about Kiffin. You don't have to
like him. And I say this to all the bitter
people in Mississippi. I understand your hurt, but would you
have signed up for this exit when Kiffin got there?
You've been irrelevant forever.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
I don't think.
Speaker 7 (13:58):
I think last time you wont an seasy chance it
was in the sixties. Anytime you're good, you have a
manning quarterback arch or Eli. If I'd have told you
four years ago, Lane Kiffin's gonna burn you at the end,
but it'll make you the number one offense. It'll be
the best Old Miss football team ever. Stadium's packed, everybody
in the country is looking at you. You'll feel proud
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to be a Mississippian and an Ole Miss fan. He'll
leave you. It'll be ugly that taken it on the spot.
This was bound to happen. And you don't have to
like Kiffin, and you don't have to like the way
it looks. But he's a ladder climber and a lot
of coaches are and I get it. You think he's
losing sleep. And if you didn't know that going in,
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that's a you problem. Now, this ridiculous comment that Lane
Kiffin should be allowed to coach an Old Miss having
the LSU job, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
So I don't blame Old Miss for moving off him.
I mean, that's just ridiculous. People that say that on
other networks. You've heard a relegation in the English Premier League.
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You should be relegated as an on air talent if
you're arguing that. I mean, that's just ridiculous. That's not
gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
I do think it's ridiculous if that's the path you've chosen.
I actually like, like, look, Keith Carter's their ad. Well.
I don't know how many of you guys know. Keith
Carter played basketball there at Ole Miss. It's a really
really good player, good dude all about the place, gets it,
and he understood. This is one of the things I
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like that Lane explained it that he wasn't at the
meeting yesterday. Why because Keith Carter doesn't want Lane walking
in and saying, hey, doing the Jerry maguire, who's coming
with me? Who's coming with me? To people who think
that because he reportedly said, hey, if you want to go,
hop on the airplane, and like, only two people got
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on the airplane. The famous story about Nick Saban was
Saban was at Michigan State leaving for the LSU job.
He said, the plane leaves at three. No one got
on the plane. He flew down there, all those other
guys stayed coach with Bobby Williams. He got fired a
couple years later. So I'll give you my my stance
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on this thing. It has to do with you, the person.
But we seem to have all forgotten. We seem to
have all forgotten how college, How these same schools treat
coaches after a bad year or two. Mark Stoops was
fired today. Mark Stoops has owned thirty seven million dollars.
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So he'll get it. And if he never wants to
work again, he doesn't have to. I'm sure he could
work again. He did a hell of a job at
Kentucky for a long time. Kentucky's not an easy job
in the SEC. And again, if you look back, you
go back to last year, you know, like that guy
you would have thought could stay forever. But what happens
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is if you stay and you're loyal, and yes, you
get a contract extension with a health ft buy out.
But the second you have a bad year or disappointed
year or bad end, then they get rid of you.
Loyalty has never been rewarded by schools, or if by
and large, is not rewarded by schools. That's why the
second anybody gets good, they either leave or they get
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a massive contract extension. Like well, they're gonna fire me eventually.
At least I'm me to get paid paid for it.
So though I'm new to the coaching side, I can
tell you that ninety nine percent of the coaches would
tell you to do it lane Kiffin did, which is
he was somewhere for six years. Wasn't like he wasn't
like the Tennessee job, or is it for a year?
He's it for six years now. The Saban brought up
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a great issue on ESPN, which is the timing of
it is what's all screwed up. It's just all screwed up.
You don't need a sign signing class year. You don't
need to have guys early in rule and get in
the spring and getting the spring football. You just don't.
And if you'd push all that stuff back, all of
these things couldn't take place until the college football playoff
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is over. That's when this should happen. Like we're all
being critical of Lane Kiffin, or most are being critical
of Lane Kiffin and saying, no, he can't coach his team.
I don't have any problem with the coaches team. The
reality of him coaching his team is that you'd feel
like more guys are gonna come with him. On the
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other hand, you destroy the team by telling him he
can't coach, and now he takes a couple of coaches
with him, like, that's really hard. You may get a
one game boost, but you won't in total. There's no
true right answer to this, only a decision that Keith
Carter had to make, and he made one. Now why
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would he make it when? Because the argument is, hey,
if you could win a national championship Mississippi, why would
you go to LSU so you can compete to potentially
win a national championship? And the thought is like, look,
there's just so many more players close, so much more money,
so much more history. You're going to get more opportunities,
more bites at the apple. And that's why it's actually
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a step higher, even though it's in the same league
and even though they hit an inferior season. So if
this isn't about what I would do, this is about
Lane Kiffen has been fired several times before, fired by
the Raiders, he was fired by sc So you get
out while the getting's good. He was somewhere for six years,
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which is plenty. He wanted to coach his team, was
told he couldn't. He wanted to meet with his team,
he was told he couldn't. Ole miss knew what that
meant that they probably don't win because of it, but
they don't want to lose their players the LSU and
LSU wouldn't let him speak to the TAVA wasn't him.
That's what the Fox is.
Speaker 7 (19:47):
Say.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
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Speaker 2 (19:57):
Let's find out who are what is annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Jay stew What's annoying you today? Or who's annoying you today?
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Yeah, I don't know if you saw this. It's kind
of got lost in a busy NFL college football weekend.
Ob J was on the Pivot and had this to
say about the money he's made.
Speaker 8 (20:25):
If I didn't have a dollar in my account right
here today as we speak, I'm gonna be straight for
the rest of my life, no question, right. I don't
think everybody is in that.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
And when you've.
Speaker 8 (20:36):
Sacrificed your whole life to get here and you're like, yeah,
I played ten years in the league and I always
explain it to people, I'm like, bro, you give somebody
a five year hundred million dollar contract, right, what is it?
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Really?
Speaker 8 (20:46):
It's five years for sixty you're getting tax. Do the math,
that's twelve a year. You know that you have to
spend us, save, save, invest, flaw whatever, just being real.
I'm a buy a carp I'm get my mama house,
I'm gonna do everything costs money. So if you spending
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four million dollars a year, that's really forty million over
five years, eight a year, you know, and now you
start breaking down the numbers, it's like, that's a five
year span of where you're getting eight mien. Can you
make that last forever? And now you always hear the
people who ain't us and ain't been in the position
to be.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Like, oh well, that one lasts lights.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
I think the key word in this entire summary as
he says something that is a complete disconnect for anybody
who could be listening outside of that top one percent
of one percent of people who have have had one
hundred million dollar contract. The key term that he used
about what people do with their money, where does it go?
(21:49):
And all this money does not goes quick, and he
said flaunt. He threw that in with invest and other
things that you do with money flaunt. And I think
that as he did a little giggle there, I think
he was explaining to us why we're gonna hear reading
the headlines one day that OBJ is broke. Nobody says
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that you have to excessively spend on flaunting your money,
but for whatever reason, he felt compelled to say it,
and the room of podcasters were like, yeah, yeah, I
mean you got it. You know, if you make money,
you gotta flaunt it, like it's just an expected thing.
But I don't know how many things he said in
there that was our complete disconnect from the public, But
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I think the word flaunt was probably the bum that
sticks out to me.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Ah, there was a bunch that stuck out to me.
And he's like doing the math, like like we're all like, wow,
that's that's terrible. That's we make. How much it is?
I thought you'd set it up perfectly. A complete disconnect
from reality, A complete disconnect reality.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Now this guy has already gone broken. I think he's
already said he's gone broke. Is about to He's like,
you know, I just I can't be Superman to my
eight kids out of wedwalk, you know, Cam Newton. So
he's uh, he's gotten a TV job, he's got a podcast.
But he said this this morning about the last the
last person to put two hundred yards up on the Steelers.
Speaker 9 (23:19):
Last person to put up this much yard as God
rest his soul was O. J.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Simpson, respectfully, God rests his soul. O. J. Simpson. Now,
I'm not a religious person, Doug. I'm really I'm not,
but I will say this that of the people that
will be or would be allowed in heaven, I would
say O. J. Simpson is not. So God help his soul,
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God bless him. He's seething in hell. He uh, he
murdered two people.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
You know what that's about, right?
Speaker 3 (23:52):
I have no idea what that's about.
Speaker 10 (23:54):
It.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
He doesn't know what those he's just saying things. He
doesn't know what they mean, because you don't have to
say respectful either. It doesn't matter they're either. None of that.
That is all just words that he's heard that he's
put together in a sentence that lots of people around
that sounds good, y'all. God rest. So yeah, like none
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of that makes any sense. None of it makes any sense.
So yeah, I my guess is he doesn't have nearly
the command of a lot of grammar that he purports
himself to have command of. It doesn't. That doesn't make
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none of that made any sense.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Now, a guy that I actually was impressed on how
he answered this, A guy who does have command of
the English language. He doesn't. I don't think he has
a great editorial sense of what he should say out
loud a lot, but I think he does have a
good command of the English language. Is Shudoor Sanders. He
put a reporter in his place. Now, listen to the question,
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did you like Kevin.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Having the addressiveness there even backed up in your character?
Speaker 9 (25:04):
I mean, first, that's a rude question to ask if
I'm if I think you know, it was a great call.
But my coach, you know, like the aggression.
Speaker 10 (25:12):
If you like a call like.
Speaker 9 (25:13):
You I like being out there playing, so so whatever
that comes, what it comes with, you know, like, you know,
we're not going to be here and every point figure out,
no coach or doing anything like that. You know, that's
extremely disrespectful and that's not even in my place. So
I'm thankful for being out there, honestly, and I'm thankful
that he trusts as us as an offense to be
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able to go out there and be able to execute.
Did we execute? No, we didn't. But you know, I'm
just thankful that we have that trust good answer.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
So two things could be true. He could have answered
that the right way, and I thought that sounded genuine,
and he cannot blame reporters for trying to bait him.
It's like, if you're going to be the guy that
has stepped in it many times and people run to
your side of the locker room when you're the third
streme quarterback because you're probably going to say something stupid
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and go viral, you really can't blame reporters for trying
to bait you. I like the way he answered that,
but we can't blame the reporter for trying because it's
a pretty good chance he's going to say something that
will go viral.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Well, uh, I think it was a terrible question, But
from this perspective, I do think you can ask the question.
I think the word aggressive it was being aggressive. Aggressiveness
is a trigger word, and that's what everything devolved around,
you know, devolved because of instead of you say, hey,
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what did you think of Kevin's call? When you're deep
in your own territory. That leads it to you can
answer however you want, then you can get Shador to go.
I love it. It's aggressive, he believes in this. Shador
did give David Good answers, but I thought it was
a trigger word in the question, which made the question
(27:00):
a bad question.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
So the question that should do cam Newton's hold on
the English language and obij doing weird math.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Obj. You know, rich people complaining about taxes and making
life changing wealth and then complain about what to do
with that wealth is an.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
So I do.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Because we can, all right. So this is up for
SoundBite of the Year. It's from a defensive tackle on
the Browns name Shelby Harris. They played the Niners yesterday
got their ass kicked, as should just pointed out, And
for the second week in a row, the player that
got hit in the nuts is Juwan Jennings. I guess
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he said something to an opposing player, this Shelby Harris,
and he provides a second reference in the past five
days to the word ho It's becoming a common thing.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
Now.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Remember the podcaster for Old Miss referred to a rap
song about hose and Lane Kiffen and hose don't become
good wives, and that became viral over the weekend and
Lane Kiffin confronted him at the game and all that stuff. Well,
Shelby Harris drops a hoe bomb as he talks about
Juwan Jennings yesterday.
Speaker 10 (28:26):
He's a hoe and I want that known, Like I
see why he got punched in the nuts, because that's
like he says some things that you should not say
to another man ever, but like I don't respect it
because you say that didn't run behind your old line.
That's some real soft shit, And I want that know.
I see exactly why they punched the nuts. I'm surprised
nobody punched them in the jaw yet.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Up Doug Gottlieb Show in the Bonus Fox Sports Radio. Iheartradia.
Welcome in, dude. Okay, I want to have a discussion.
Happy holidays. Hope you had a great Thanksgiving weekend. I
had all three of my kids up in Wisconsin, first
time I had all three of them together, and it
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on paper, great idea. In practice it was good though
it was it was really good. It did make I
heard Aaron Andrews say something last week and social media
had it's kind of fun and everybody took sides. Jace,
do you you have that? Don't you you have the
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the sound of what Aaron Andrews said.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah, it's from her podcast with Carrissa Thompson and that
that podcast is produced by some very familiar to this program,
Ryan Music. And this is how Aaron sets it up. Okay,
I'm gonna I'm gonna give her defense of this before
we play the sound, because I want to add proper context.
She's obviously not happy with just a small clip that's
(01:15):
out there on social media. So when Trey Wingo kind
of called her out for complaining. She says, I'm sure
you went back and saw that I wasn't complaining about working.
I'm sure you saw it was a segment where we
answered questions from people, young women, asking about being a
sideline reporter. What to know about it? What you miss?
(01:35):
My whole point is not just about wanting to be
on camera and hanging in with athletes. You have to
work and love it and deal with the over reactions
to clickbait. So this is what she's referring to, this
clip that made that went viral.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
This is what one of my first professors said. If
you don't want to make forty thousand in your first job,
get out. If you don't want to be told you
need a nose job, get out. If you don't want
to divorce, get out. If you don't want to work holidays,
get out. And I don't say it like that, but
I say you gotta love what you do, because I
miss all holidays. I didn't get married till I was
in my forties. Not that that is going to be
(02:12):
your route, but I live out of a suitcase. I
miss a lot of stuff. I missed a lot of weddings.
I miss a lot of events. You have to love
it to get you through the fact I'm not going
to be home for Thanksgiving next week. You know, our
Christmas is cut short.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Okay, So that's caused a ton of reactions, ton of reactions.
I think there's a I think it's actually a really
really good discussion. And I actually am sensitive on some
level to Aaron's feelings, not because we're not friends, like
(02:48):
at all, Like I know her, we've never worked together.
I have no idea if she likes me, doesn't like me,
doesn't matter. I can I can speak to like a
lot of the things she said. I think you don't
necessarily have to miss Thanksgiving. It's just you have to
(03:10):
understand that Thanksgiving is going to look different, that's going
to look for other people, and whomever you find as
a partner has to understand that and embrace that. The
cool parts about this job is your home when other
people are at work. The bad part about this job
is you're at working other people at home. And it's
(03:33):
especially true if you want to make it. Because if
you want to make it, and I don't think there's
anybody would argue I made it in television, I made
it in radio, and I continue to try and maybe
I'm not the same with the same energy that I had.
I tried to though, and that's why, you know, people
ask all the time, like why do you fill in
on Cowhard? Why do you fill in on Dan Patrick?
(03:55):
Those shows are bigger than mine, And it's a a
three hour promo for our show to a wider audience
than traditionally listen that listens to our show. That's just
a reality to it. And you know, I worked on
Thanksgiving weekend where we worked Friday. I've done the Diamond
(04:18):
Classic three years in a row in uh in Honolulu.
My ex wife went there once with me, didn't two
different years, Like, and she has the same opinion as
other people, like you should have you should have traditions.
You should be home on the holidays. Like my thing was, like, wow,
I bring your kids there. It's an awesome job. Every
(04:43):
job has its challenges. Yes, you have to love the job,
but you have to understand that with any job, your
level of success oftentimes is going to be set against
what you're willing to sacrifice. And if you're not willing
to sacrifice those things, okay, don't have to. I would
also point out though that some people will not. Aaron
(05:05):
didn't do it, but I've seen other people, especially women,
that will say it's just harder for a woman, Like,
do you think guys like leaving their families they go
to work on holidays? Nobody does. Maybe it's slightly different
when you're a mom, but it's just as hard when
your dad, maybe because you know, sometimes people don't make
dads feel like they're missed. I thought it would triggered
(05:29):
a really good discussion. I thought it was really interesting,
and I think everybody exposes themselves as to you know,
many people, if people are jealous of or don't like
Aaron or whatever, they extract their pound of flesh, or
if they're jealous of people on TV, they expound the
pout of flesh. Or if they want to play the victim,
then they side with Aaron and do some sort of
(05:51):
victim thing. I don't think she came across as playing
the victim. I think she came across as very, very
matter of fact. Hey, look I made it. I've had
an incredible career, I have an incredible life. I didn't
get married to my forties. My life would be very
different if I didn't have these jobs, but I was
willing to sacrifice them because I wanted to make it.
What do you think, Jase Tuo?
Speaker 3 (06:12):
No, I agree. I agree with almost all this, and
I really do. I understand where she's coming from. I
know these people. I know a lot of people who
choose this for a living, and I understand what she's saying.
But I will say this the we're going to play
something later on this podcast from OBJ and I said,
I'll say the same thing about this. There's a little
(06:33):
bit of a disconnect, right because she's talking to another
successful broadcaster who's made a lot of money. Aaron's sitting
on a bunch of money. And so when you say
stuff to the common listener or even people coming up
that my professor told me, you know, twenty years ago
that you got to be prepared to work for forty
thousand dollars. There are people today right now that don't
(06:55):
make forty thousand dollars. It's twenty twenty five. That's sad,
But at that point it's kind of a disconnect because
if you're saying that twenty years ago, what are you
saying about it now? And she has to know that.
I think she knows better than that, and I will
say this too, there are sharks in the water on
social media, and if you want to steer clear of
(07:17):
the potshots she's been taken. She shouldn't known better than
as a pretty white woman who makes seven figures. There's
always going to be sharks looking to call pretty white
women privileged. So she got a tidal wave of that reaction,
the political reaction. Can't believe your complaining about making this
(07:39):
money and being in this position. So I totally get
what she was talking about. It's just I think I'm
a little bit taken back by that she didn't know
better than to kind of say these things out loud,
like it only brought her negative attention. And then, like
you said, then there was the over compensation from people
in the business who wanted to share in the victimhood
(08:01):
and be better friends with her who posted it was
a weird reaction. But anyways, that was kind of my thoughts.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah, it is a weird reaction. I understand the disconnect.
I actually think that's where you can give people a
little bit of You can gain their respect by saying, like, look,
I understand I make a lot of money for this.
I stay in nice hotels, there is a downside to it, right.
The downside is everybody else gets together for Thanksgiving. I'm
(08:27):
on television, and it's not just like you're there the
whole day. You got to go to these meetings or whatever,
and you have to change your schedule and you have
to work around it. If you're not one to work
around it, then you're not ultimately not ultimately going to
see the financial benefits, you know. And look when I
was in at CBS, I live in Westport, Connecticut. Everybody
(08:47):
around you is working in New York City. And my
ex wife would be like, you work all the time.
You work every weekend, you know. My My thing. The
reason I left ESPN was I was doing this exact
same time lot, and I was working five months of
college basketball, and I was filling in for other TV shows,
and so in my mind, I worked every afternoon, many evenings,
(09:10):
you know, many evenings, which is which are great. I
loved it, you know, But then I was gone every
weekend and I was like, God, I'm never going to
see my kids play sports. I can't go to after
school stuff. I just can't. That's when I work. And
CBS offered the ability to move to California. Some of
(09:32):
it was to be closer to home, but a lot
of it was because the same show was twelve to
three and then I had the afternoons with my family.
It was a work around that same sacrifice. And yeah,
it was great to be on TV every Saturday, but
I literally had to cut out of you know, baby
swim classes at like ten thirty when they were ten
(09:54):
to eleven because I had to make sure I had
my makeup on. I was in my chair at eleven thirty,
were on at twelve. So again, I agree with you,
there is that disconnect. I think you can make up
for it by simply saying this is it's a great job.
It's not without its pitfalls, and one of the pitfalls
is you're gonna work when other people at home. If
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you want to make it, you're gonna work when other
people at home because sports happens on the holidays, especially
the ones that she covers.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
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Speaker 2 (10:34):
Let's Get the Fox Says and Now.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
What does the Fox Say?
Speaker 2 (10:39):
A special version of what the Fox says. We bring
back for you a special edition where we get different
perspectives on the biggest topics in supports. You may have
heard it earlier today or early this weekend on Fox
Sports Radio Fox Sports One. Today, we're doing three different
perspectives on Lane Kiffin's exodus from Oxford on his way
(11:02):
to Baton Rouge. Here's Kerrie Rhodes and her own Dan
Meyer yesterday on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
Do you think LSU would have had a problem with
Lane Kiffin coaching throughout this playoff run? If he's coaching
into January, if they're winning games, do you think that
they would have had an issue with it. That's a
good point. I think they totally would have. Probably, I
think that they totally would have. And I think that
if if Ole Miss loses their opening game after being
(11:29):
as good as they were all season long, that it's
easy to put it on Lane Kiffin. Now they kind
of if they lose, it's going to be Lane Kiffin's
fault anyway, but that it would be pointed at him
that maybe he was, you know, having you know, trying
to be in two spots at one time that wasn't feasible.
The timing can't be perfect on everything. Yeah, and for
(11:51):
Lane Kiffin, who I will give credit has worked his
way back. He probably got too much too soon and
has worked his way back and earned the opportunity to
do so to be able to take that job. I
just I understand the hurt feelings. I understand all of it. Yeah,
(12:12):
it's just the timing doesn't work out and the timing stinks.
So I can't Ultimately, I can't blame Lane Kiffin because
that's the world of college athletics.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
Yeah, they're getting ready to prepare for the college football playoffs,
probably going to have a home game, and he wanted
to stay on, but he also wants to take some
of the coaching staff and reportedly wants to poach some
of the players. Now, the players, I understand if they
came to Old Miss for Lane Kiffin and may want
to play for him at LSU. As far as these
(12:43):
coaches go, they may want to go. Maybe a few
of them were on the private plane yesterday. Old Miss
owes Lane kiffen gratitude for the wins, but once he
walks out the door, they don't know him anymore than
just that he did a great job there. I don't
think any buddies denying that. But he made this a
(13:03):
public mess. And that's the problem I had with this.
You're kind of toying with the situation. You were toying
with Old Miss, you were toying with these kids, you
were toying with your fan base. You know you could
have waited. We could have waited till you know, you
beat Mississippi State and say I'd love to coach this team.
But he's already said this team, these teams that Old
(13:26):
Miss can't win a national title because money wasn't the issue.
He said he spoke to God. Now I don't know
if God is Nick Saban. Maybe he did speak to God,
but I was thinking maybe he spoke to Nick Saban,
and Saban said, yes, it's time to take the next step,
my son.
Speaker 7 (13:42):
Say what you want about Kiffin. You don't have to
like him. And I say this to all the bitter
people in Mississippi. I understand your hurt, but would you
have signed up for this exit when Kiffin got there?
You've been irrelevant forever.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
I don't think.
Speaker 7 (13:58):
I think last time you wont an seasy chance it
was in the sixties. Anytime you're good, you have a
manning quarterback arch or Eli. If I'd have told you
four years ago, Lane Kiffin's gonna burn you at the end,
but it'll make you the number one offense. It'll be
the best Old Miss football team ever. Stadium's packed, everybody
in the country is looking at you. You'll feel proud
(14:18):
to be a Mississippian and an Ole Miss fan. He'll
leave you. It'll be ugly that taken it on the spot.
This was bound to happen. And you don't have to
like Kiffin, and you don't have to like the way
it looks. But he's a ladder climber and a lot
of coaches are and I get it. You think he's
losing sleep. And if you didn't know that going in,
(14:38):
that's a you problem. Now, this ridiculous comment that Lane
Kiffin should be allowed to coach an Old Miss having
the LSU job, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
So I don't blame Old Miss for moving off him.
I mean, that's just ridiculous. People that say that on
other networks. You've heard a relegation in the English Premier League.
(14:59):
You should be relegated as an on air talent if
you're arguing that. I mean, that's just ridiculous. That's not
gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
I do think it's ridiculous if that's the path you've chosen.
I actually like, like, look, Keith Carter's their ad. Well.
I don't know how many of you guys know. Keith
Carter played basketball there at Ole Miss. It's a really
really good player, good dude all about the place, gets it,
and he understood. This is one of the things I
(15:25):
like that Lane explained it that he wasn't at the
meeting yesterday. Why because Keith Carter doesn't want Lane walking
in and saying, hey, doing the Jerry maguire, who's coming
with me? Who's coming with me? To people who think
that because he reportedly said, hey, if you want to go,
hop on the airplane, and like, only two people got
(15:47):
on the airplane. The famous story about Nick Saban was
Saban was at Michigan State leaving for the LSU job.
He said, the plane leaves at three. No one got
on the plane. He flew down there, all those other
guys stayed coach with Bobby Williams. He got fired a
couple years later. So I'll give you my my stance
(16:08):
on this thing. It has to do with you, the person.
But we seem to have all forgotten. We seem to
have all forgotten how college, How these same schools treat
coaches after a bad year or two. Mark Stoops was
fired today. Mark Stoops has owned thirty seven million dollars.
(16:31):
So he'll get it. And if he never wants to
work again, he doesn't have to. I'm sure he could
work again. He did a hell of a job at
Kentucky for a long time. Kentucky's not an easy job
in the SEC. And again, if you look back, you
go back to last year, you know, like that guy
you would have thought could stay forever. But what happens
(16:51):
is if you stay and you're loyal, and yes, you
get a contract extension with a health ft buy out.
But the second you have a bad year or disappointed
year or bad end, then they get rid of you.
Loyalty has never been rewarded by schools, or if by
and large, is not rewarded by schools. That's why the
second anybody gets good, they either leave or they get
(17:12):
a massive contract extension. Like well, they're gonna fire me eventually.
At least I'm me to get paid paid for it.
So though I'm new to the coaching side, I can
tell you that ninety nine percent of the coaches would
tell you to do it lane Kiffin did, which is
he was somewhere for six years. Wasn't like he wasn't
like the Tennessee job, or is it for a year?
He's it for six years now. The Saban brought up
(17:35):
a great issue on ESPN, which is the timing of
it is what's all screwed up. It's just all screwed up.
You don't need a sign signing class year. You don't
need to have guys early in rule and get in
the spring and getting the spring football. You just don't.
And if you'd push all that stuff back, all of
these things couldn't take place until the college football playoff
(17:59):
is over. That's when this should happen. Like we're all
being critical of Lane Kiffin, or most are being critical
of Lane Kiffin and saying, no, he can't coach his team.
I don't have any problem with the coaches team. The
reality of him coaching his team is that you'd feel
like more guys are gonna come with him. On the
(18:19):
other hand, you destroy the team by telling him he
can't coach, and now he takes a couple of coaches
with him, like, that's really hard. You may get a
one game boost, but you won't in total. There's no
true right answer to this, only a decision that Keith
Carter had to make, and he made one. Now why
(18:41):
would he make it when? Because the argument is, hey,
if you could win a national championship Mississippi, why would
you go to LSU so you can compete to potentially
win a national championship? And the thought is like, look,
there's just so many more players close, so much more money,
so much more history. You're going to get more opportunities,
more bites at the apple. And that's why it's actually
(19:03):
a step higher, even though it's in the same league
and even though they hit an inferior season. So if
this isn't about what I would do, this is about
Lane Kiffen has been fired several times before, fired by
the Raiders, he was fired by sc So you get
out while the getting's good. He was somewhere for six years,
(19:25):
which is plenty. He wanted to coach his team, was
told he couldn't. He wanted to meet with his team,
he was told he couldn't. Ole miss knew what that
meant that they probably don't win because of it, but
they don't want to lose their players the LSU and
LSU wouldn't let him speak to the TAVA wasn't him.
That's what the Fox is.
Speaker 7 (19:47):
Say.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
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Speaker 2 (19:57):
Let's find out who are what is annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Jay stew What's annoying you today? Or who's annoying you today?
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Yeah, I don't know if you saw this. It's kind
of got lost in a busy NFL college football weekend.
Ob J was on the Pivot and had this to
say about the money he's made.
Speaker 8 (20:25):
If I didn't have a dollar in my account right
here today as we speak, I'm gonna be straight for
the rest of my life, no question, right. I don't
think everybody is in that.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
And when you've.
Speaker 8 (20:36):
Sacrificed your whole life to get here and you're like, yeah,
I played ten years in the league and I always
explain it to people, I'm like, bro, you give somebody
a five year hundred million dollar contract, right, what is it?
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Really?
Speaker 8 (20:46):
It's five years for sixty you're getting tax. Do the math,
that's twelve a year. You know that you have to
spend us, save, save, invest, flaw whatever, just being real.
I'm a buy a carp I'm get my mama house,
I'm gonna do everything costs money. So if you spending
(21:08):
four million dollars a year, that's really forty million over
five years, eight a year, you know, and now you
start breaking down the numbers, it's like, that's a five
year span of where you're getting eight mien. Can you
make that last forever? And now you always hear the
people who ain't us and ain't been in the position
to be.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Like, oh well, that one lasts lights.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
I think the key word in this entire summary as
he says something that is a complete disconnect for anybody
who could be listening outside of that top one percent
of one percent of people who have have had one
hundred million dollar contract. The key term that he used
about what people do with their money, where does it go?
(21:49):
And all this money does not goes quick, and he
said flaunt. He threw that in with invest and other
things that you do with money flaunt. And I think
that as he did a little giggle there, I think
he was explaining to us why we're gonna hear reading
the headlines one day that OBJ is broke. Nobody says
(22:13):
that you have to excessively spend on flaunting your money,
but for whatever reason, he felt compelled to say it,
and the room of podcasters were like, yeah, yeah, I
mean you got it. You know, if you make money,
you gotta flaunt it, like it's just an expected thing.
But I don't know how many things he said in
there that was our complete disconnect from the public, But
(22:34):
I think the word flaunt was probably the bum that
sticks out to me.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Ah, there was a bunch that stuck out to me.
And he's like doing the math, like like we're all like, wow,
that's that's terrible. That's we make. How much it is?
I thought you'd set it up perfectly. A complete disconnect
from reality, A complete disconnect reality.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Now this guy has already gone broken. I think he's
already said he's gone broke. Is about to He's like,
you know, I just I can't be Superman to my
eight kids out of wedwalk, you know, Cam Newton. So
he's uh, he's gotten a TV job, he's got a podcast.
But he said this this morning about the last the
last person to put two hundred yards up on the Steelers.
Speaker 9 (23:19):
Last person to put up this much yard as God
rest his soul was O. J.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Simpson, respectfully, God rests his soul. O. J. Simpson. Now,
I'm not a religious person, Doug. I'm really I'm not,
but I will say this that of the people that
will be or would be allowed in heaven, I would
say O. J. Simpson is not. So God help his soul,
(23:44):
God bless him. He's seething in hell. He uh, he
murdered two people.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
You know what that's about, right?
Speaker 3 (23:52):
I have no idea what that's about.
Speaker 10 (23:54):
It.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
He doesn't know what those he's just saying things. He
doesn't know what they mean, because you don't have to
say respectful either. It doesn't matter they're either. None of that.
That is all just words that he's heard that he's
put together in a sentence that lots of people around
that sounds good, y'all. God rest. So yeah, like none
(24:14):
of that makes any sense. None of it makes any sense.
So yeah, I my guess is he doesn't have nearly
the command of a lot of grammar that he purports
himself to have command of. It doesn't. That doesn't make
(24:36):
none of that made any sense.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Now, a guy that I actually was impressed on how
he answered this, A guy who does have command of
the English language. He doesn't. I don't think he has
a great editorial sense of what he should say out
loud a lot, but I think he does have a
good command of the English language. Is Shudoor Sanders. He
put a reporter in his place. Now, listen to the question,
(25:00):
did you like Kevin.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Having the addressiveness there even backed up in your character?
Speaker 9 (25:04):
I mean, first, that's a rude question to ask if
I'm if I think you know, it was a great call.
But my coach, you know, like the aggression.
Speaker 10 (25:12):
If you like a call like.
Speaker 9 (25:13):
You I like being out there playing, so so whatever
that comes, what it comes with, you know, like, you know,
we're not going to be here and every point figure out,
no coach or doing anything like that. You know, that's
extremely disrespectful and that's not even in my place. So
I'm thankful for being out there, honestly, and I'm thankful
that he trusts as us as an offense to be
(25:33):
able to go out there and be able to execute.
Did we execute? No, we didn't. But you know, I'm
just thankful that we have that trust good answer.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
So two things could be true. He could have answered
that the right way, and I thought that sounded genuine,
and he cannot blame reporters for trying to bait him.
It's like, if you're going to be the guy that
has stepped in it many times and people run to
your side of the locker room when you're the third
streme quarterback because you're probably going to say something stupid
(26:03):
and go viral, you really can't blame reporters for trying
to bait you. I like the way he answered that,
but we can't blame the reporter for trying because it's
a pretty good chance he's going to say something that
will go viral.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Well, uh, I think it was a terrible question, But
from this perspective, I do think you can ask the question.
I think the word aggressive it was being aggressive. Aggressiveness
is a trigger word, and that's what everything devolved around,
you know, devolved because of instead of you say, hey,
(26:40):
what did you think of Kevin's call? When you're deep
in your own territory. That leads it to you can
answer however you want, then you can get Shador to go.
I love it. It's aggressive, he believes in this. Shador
did give David Good answers, but I thought it was
a trigger word in the question, which made the question
(27:00):
a bad question.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
So the question that should do cam Newton's hold on
the English language and obij doing weird math.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Obj. You know, rich people complaining about taxes and making
life changing wealth and then complain about what to do
with that wealth is an.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
So I do.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Because we can, all right. So this is up for
SoundBite of the Year. It's from a defensive tackle on
the Browns name Shelby Harris. They played the Niners yesterday
got their ass kicked, as should just pointed out, And
for the second week in a row, the player that
got hit in the nuts is Juwan Jennings. I guess
(27:52):
he said something to an opposing player, this Shelby Harris,
and he provides a second reference in the past five
days to the word ho It's becoming a common thing.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
Now.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Remember the podcaster for Old Miss referred to a rap
song about hose and Lane Kiffen and hose don't become
good wives, and that became viral over the weekend and
Lane Kiffin confronted him at the game and all that stuff. Well,
Shelby Harris drops a hoe bomb as he talks about
Juwan Jennings yesterday.
Speaker 10 (28:26):
He's a hoe and I want that known, Like I
see why he got punched in the nuts, because that's
like he says some things that you should not say
to another man ever, but like I don't respect it
because you say that didn't run behind your old line.
That's some real soft shit, And I want that know.
I see exactly why they punched the nuts. I'm surprised
nobody punched them in the jaw yet.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
That's an unbelievable SoundBite. Unbelievable SoundBite, unreal, Like we play
for you because we can. All right, that's it for
the end the Bonus Podcast. To get the radio show
every day three to five, he shoot Delta Civic, Fox
Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app. I'm Doug Gottlie
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