December 1, 2025 • 37 mins
Doug and the crew shared what they loved most and hated most from the weekend in this installment of "Love AND Hate". Doug gets into the latest with Lane Kiffin and LSU. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through The Press.
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get to something we do every Monday. What we loved,
what we hated from the weekend. We call it love
it hate?
Speaker 4 (01:14):
What did you love?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
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start out with Dan Bayer. You get something you love
from the weekend?
Speaker 5 (01:39):
Danny, I sure do.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Doug.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
I had been waiting for November twenty ninth, twenty twenty five,
for three hundred and sixty four days, ever since Ohio
State was unable to beat Michigan in a game that
they were heavily favored to have their losing streak to
that team up North extend to four games. I've been
waiting for the game on Saturday for a long time,
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and while the early moments of the game did not
look good for the Scarlet and Gray the ending moments
sure did. The Ohio State win over Michigan made the
sun shine a little brighter, air smell a little cleaner,
and it was just a really, really good feeling to
see the Buckeyes top the Wolverines on Saturday.
Speaker 6 (02:22):
Sammy, I need a couple of ideas on this one.
I need to get Dug's thoughts as well. So Ryan
Day as he completely wiped clean the slate of any criticism,
was this the moment when he when he could do
no wrong? Moving forward now that he's defeated Ohio State
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after winning the national team in Michigan the heavy favorite
to win a back to back championship, he.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Won Nash chitcherd last year, right, So I mean it
definitely got the monk that monkey office back. Go ahead.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Yeah, And he had beaten Michigan in twenty nineteen. Michigan
then had a COVID situation in twenty twenty. Ohio State
probably would have won that game, but they just didn't
play it. So the last four really built up, and
he had beaten them before. It's doing it with his
players in his style. I think that was the biggest
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change in this that validates it. It's funny because both
of his wins have come in Michigan. The twenty twenty
game was supposed to be in Columbus and they didn't say, Okay,
well the next year you're going to host in Columbus.
They just didn't do that. They just played it twenty
twenty one in n Arbor. So that's where the odd
years are. But yeah, people never talked about that win.
Not that that was something to completely brag about when
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you've lost four in a row, but this doing it
with his own players, with their style and then just
being more physical than Michigan was in this game. I
thought it was a really good answer for Ryan Day
in that legasy.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
The last part was the big part. Danact. That they
out physical Michigan was gigantic because because that was Michigan
under Harball, that was their big thing. We're gonna be
the most physical team. And people have been critical of
Ryan Day's teams. It was a physicality issue, and they
more than showed that they had grown as a program.
I I agree that was a gigantic win. Gigantic win.
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It solidifies them as the absolute dominant team in the
Big Ten, and they can add to that they beat
Indiana in the Big Ten championhigame.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
I see. It's funny because I just there's a lot
at stake on paper. I just don't see. I don't
see like a huge motivating factor to play this game.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
There's not. No, it's again, this is what the College
Wall Playoff has done. I thought of that, which is
like like A and M lost to Texas, it sucks,
but they're still gonna play the College Wall Playoffs. You know,
at Ohio State lost, it would suck, but it's just
like last year, could still win that championship. So that's
what we've done, and we've changed about the sport. Sam
set me love on the weekend.
Speaker 7 (05:02):
I'm not done with this the game. I'm not done
with the game here yet.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Damn.
Speaker 7 (05:06):
I'm just curious. What when's the last time Michigan won
four in a row over Oha State?
Speaker 8 (05:10):
Do you know?
Speaker 7 (05:10):
Do you happen to know off the top of your head.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
It had been so let's see, maybe won three straight then, yeah,
it had been like that, maybe the late eighties, early nineties.
There was a tie in between, I believe in nineteen
ninety one, nineteen ninety two, but yeah, around that time.
Speaker 7 (05:30):
This is Big Four straight losses to Michigan. I mean
it just must have felt otherwise, because, like I remember,
Ohio State would win four over Michigan like pretty easily,
but for the shoe to be on their their foot
man purify the soul, exercise the demons.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
Yeah, Ohio State beating Michigan, believe in nineteen eighty seven,
they beat them then again in nineteen ninety four, so
it may have been in that range. Michigan had good teams.
There were better teams until the mid nineties, and that's
kind of when this all started, is that Ohio State
then had the better teams than Michigan and then they
couldn't at least recently of my generation. But yeah, that long.
Speaker 9 (06:09):
By the way, eighty eight to ninety one Michigan.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Nineteen ninety two would have been a tie. They lost
in ninety three Ohio State did, and then they beat
him in nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
With the memory on that guy look at the big
brain on.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
They beat him in ninety four, beat him in ninety eight, they.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Beat him ninety eight.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
Apparently, they beat him in two thousand and one, then
two they lost in three, then they won from four
to twenty ten, twenty ten was vacated. They lost to
Michigan in twenty eleven. Then they then Urban went seven
and oh and then it was the four game losing streak.
A big brain on this game means a lot. You
remember all of these outcomes.
Speaker 9 (06:49):
It does.
Speaker 7 (06:50):
And I have no doubt they would have beaten Michigan
in twenty twenty because they went off played Alabama for
the National Championship. Michigan would it was only one like
they had a losing record. So interesting. Anyway, where are
we at here?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
We're at Jason Stewart.
Speaker 6 (07:05):
Okay, I love when my instincts are confirmed. Now, don't
get that confused with I love when I'm right. Somebody
once told me that if you need to be right,
then you shouldn't be in this business. You need to
be flexible, you need to be humble. I don't need
to be right, but I do like it when my
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instincts are confirmed. I'll give you an example. I started
working here right before the twenty twenty one NFL season
four years ago, and Doug and Dan can confirm this.
I have been killing Tony Romo ever since. I was
negative on Romo when he was still kind of the
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poster child for a refreshing broadcaster that everyone loved. I
was very critical of I never understood the thing, never
got it. But something's happened if you haven't seen it.
Over the last couple weeks and the trades. I'm talking
like Andrew Marshatt. And then all the you know blogs
off announcing lots of negative articles on Tony Romo and
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his relationship with jim Nantz And you're like, why now,
And Doug knows us better than anybody. It's because somebody
at CBS is talking background to these reporters. I think
they can't get to him directly. He's not listening to instruction.
So let's see what happens when he reads a bunch
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of negative things about him. Just yesterday, they're at the
end of the Bills game and the Bills have a
decision late to kick a field goal and go up
three scores or to go for it on fourth down
and just take out the clock. Well, they get up
to the line and jim Nantz is like, they're gonna
go for it, and then a timeout was called and
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then jim Nantz starts to read a promo and Tony
Romo stops him three words in and says, you know what,
the Bills are just going to go up to the
one and try to draw them off side. Then they're
going to kick the field goal. Go up three scores, Okay,
go ahead, Jim, and he just lets him finish the promo.
And I'm like, whoa, that was a weird moment. And
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it's kind of like being a child of divorce parents,
Like there's just always this tension now with those two,
and it's all almost fault. He stopped putting in the work.
He's not as close to the game as he used
to be, and it's been made clear through all these
articles I've been reading. But anyways, I just like when
my instincts are confirmed.
Speaker 7 (09:36):
Okay, Sam, all right, got a couple of things here.
This is just a general thing. Can't do my love
of the weekend with at least just saying love being
with my family for Thanksgiving? It was very nice. I
don't get to see him very often. What I guess
the four fs you would say of life is it
family boy, football, food and the food was so good,
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and faith.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Turkey and dressing them ghibli gravy, mustard greens and Colin
greens and tim green cabbage green and street potatoes and
pecan pine all that kind of stuff, and gem and
chocolate cake and pound cake, and.
Speaker 8 (10:15):
I know you don't think on.
Speaker 7 (10:20):
So that getting that out of the way. All those
great all those great dishes wonderful. But I was watching
the Iowa Nebraska game with my niece who's five years old.
It's the heroes game, and she's like, who are these teams?
Team ketchup? I'm doing team Ketchup. That was Nebraska. She
just likes the colored are colors. So I was like, yeah,
Iowa's Team Mustard. So she was all boored Team Ketchup.
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But I'm like, fry, that's her name. Team Mustard has
now won ten of the last eleven. There's a lot
more you can do with Mustard than ketchup, so it's
good to be Team Mustard. I loved watching Iowa beat
Nebraska yet again. In this rivalry, Nebraska fans seem to
think that they're like above Iowa and their fans. The
fact is that if you can't beat your rival who
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you think you're above, then you really can't say anything.
Ten out of eleven is pretty much domination. So love
seeing Team Mustard get another win over Team ketchup.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
What I love from the weekend personally, love having my
three kids are three kids in my house. Just they're
all delightful people. You know to them. The twins are nineteen,
so like, the conversations are so different, so interesting. Sports wise,
what I love on the weekend Eagles lost to the Bears.
Now I don't know how good the Bears are, and
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I don't care. Nothing makes you feel good like when
you watch the Eagles lose. That's it. I don't know
why I don't. I've only had good experiences in Philadelphia,
kind of underrated, cool city. But their fans are obnoxious,
coaches obnoxious. I've never thought Jalen Hurts is all that good.
They play with fire, they play with their food. The
games are all close, and they got popped by the Bears,
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who may or not be the comeback turnaround team of
the year. Doesn't matter to be watching the Eagles lose
on a Thanksgiving weekend enjoyable. Let's go to what we
hated from the weekend. A resident hater is Jason Stewart.
You can start us off.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
It all comes down to one play. There's two things
that I hate about one play. I've been very vocal
about my support for Aaron Rodgers, and in this is
probably last season. I don't think it's been covered enough
and there's probably a purpose behind that. But Aaron Rodgers
took an awful hit yesterday. And this is why I
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hate two things about this play. I hate that the
Bills have a healthy Joey Bosa. I'm not familiar with that.
I would love to know what it's like to get
a healthy Joey Bosa. He was oft injured and he
got a lot to be I got a lot of
money to not play with the Chargers, and he's a
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difference maker with the Bills this year. And he just
about murdered Aaron Rodgers on a sack that he didn't see.
The sack drove Aaron's face into the ground, broke his
nose so much so that Aaron for the rest of
the game looked like Mark Hamill when he came back
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for Empire Strikes Back after a bad car accident, Luke Skywalker.
Mark Hamill was no longer castable for the rest of
his life because he was so atrocious looking. He could
only get Star Wars gigs and animation. That was Aaron
Rodgers in the second half of yesterday's game. He was
Mark Hamill after the car accident before Empire strikes back,
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horrible image.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
I didn't think he was going to return to the
game because Mason Rudolph came in for a little bit.
What do you know, Rogers returned.
Speaker 9 (13:50):
To Return of the Jedi. Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 5 (13:53):
Yes, through you, I was going.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
To use this the same game, but I got to
point out I was going to use a different player.
Cam Hayward after the game was complaining about Josh Allen
kneeing him in the in the gut, but the play
happened in the first half and he's still mad about
it when their defense thinks, here's Cam Hayward after the game.
Speaker 8 (14:20):
Being needed in my stomach. And then he was drawing
back and forth, and then he ticked off the entire
game because as a quarterback they're protected.
Speaker 7 (14:28):
But I'm not just pisses me off saying need you
or anyone else.
Speaker 8 (14:32):
That's exactly what I'm saying.
Speaker 10 (14:33):
Did you cross the line throughout the game?
Speaker 7 (14:35):
I was that was that one incident?
Speaker 9 (14:38):
Is that on purpose by him? Yes? Even said after
you know I had to do something to get you
off of me.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Yeah, again, it's he was tackling Alan. Alan used his
knees to protect himself from the weight coming down on
him and Cam Heyward. He even said, like the rest
of the game, that's all he could think about. Cam
Hayward stinks. Now he is a a tremendous as a
tremendous career with the Pittsburgh Steelers. But remember this is
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the same guy who before the year was like, hey,
I need a new contract. They're like, yeah, we'll put
some incentives in there. Their defense stinks. Cam Hayward, He's
just over the hill. And you know, veteran players will
talk about young players being immature if something that is
in football distracts them during the game, right, and then
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we'll always talk about Cam Hayward just said, like the
whole rest of the game, he was jawing and he
was mad about one play that happened the first half
instead of just playing better football. I don't know what
happened to Steelers, but I can't stay and watching him.
I hate it. I hate it. Damn Byer.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
By the way, I don't know if you guys hit
it in the pod that's coming up, but did you
hear the Shelby Harris response to Juwan Jennings from the bronzmember.
Remember on Monday night, Juwan Jennings went after Trayvon Marry
of the Panthers, and then the Panthers and then the
NFL suspended marrig for hitting Jennings in the you know
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Watts with his casted hand. Well, this is apparently Juwan
Jennings is getting under people's skin. And I don't know
if he was the one that actually did start it
against Carolina, but this is what the Browns. Shelby Harris
said to say about Juwan Jennings after yesterday's Niners Browns
game in Cleveland.
Speaker 8 (16:25):
He's a hoe and I want that known, Like I
see why he got punching the nuts, because that's like
he says some things that you should not say to
another man ever. But I don't respect it because you
say that I didn't run behind your ole line. That's
some real soft shit and I want that know. I
see exactly why they punched the nuts. I'm surprised nobody
punched them in the jiet.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
So good, so good.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
I'll make my hate quick. I just I love that
sound bite. I hated the response to the possible Jeremiah
Smith fumble or losing control of the goal line in
the Ohio State Michigan because it is a rule that
we have talked about in other sports shows and people
have talked about so many times. But I think because
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it happened against Ohio States in a unique circumstance, there
were so many well, that's a touchback. That's got to
be a touchback on the broadcast, Mark Perera, that's a touchback.
Joel Klatt, that's a touchback. That's how this would this
would be such a game changer. And Jeremiah Smith wasn't
trying the hot dog, He didn't drop the ball before
the goal line trying to show off. He was running
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and getting into the end zone and still, by the way,
held on to possession of the football. But it felt
a rule that I think everybody for the most part
doesn't like because it was possibly going to happen against
Ohio State in that moment, everybody was like, Yep, that's
the role, that's the role. That's a touchback. That's a
touchback when it should have been anything but that. That's
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what I hated.
Speaker 7 (17:54):
Sammy, Well, you guys already touched on a little bit
this is just a sort of a larger picture. I
hate it's the uh, the NFL's bad behavior issue this year.
I don't know what's in the smelling salts this year,
but we've had incidences of spitting, a couple of times fighting.
We had a guy threatened to kill another player. Whether
it was meant in jests or not, that was that
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was a punter threatening between what the Titans and the Jaguars. Jaguars,
We've got a guys getting punched in the groin. We've
got Juwan Jennings being disparaging and dehumanizing with his language
on the field. I think we need to call a
time out. We need to take the temperature down. Hold on,
I got a look, I got a football. Yeah, I know, Doug,
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but I got it. We got We need to call
in Lou Loomis from Caddyshack and just get all the
players in the NFL in one big auditorium and just
have Lou Loomis give him a little pep talk. I'm
gonna put it.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Right on the line. A lot of complaints already fooling
around on the course, bad language, smoking grass, poor caddying.
Speaker 7 (18:57):
It is football, but it's just got it seems like
the temperate just a little bit this year, So you know,
maybe get Lou Loomis in there and just say, guys,
we got to just take it down a notch. Take
the temperature down a notch.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
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Speaker 2 (19:24):
That got Lap show here on Fox Sports Radio. Jase,
do you want to get on this on the Lane
Kiven thing?
Speaker 6 (19:29):
No, No, I think that there's a lot of interesting
things that about this. It's got a lot of layers, right,
but I do want to play some Uh was it
Marty Smith caught up to him before he got on
the plane yesterday? Uh huh. I thought Lane had some
interesting answers to questions like why did you choose Lsu
over Ole miss.
Speaker 10 (19:49):
Or my heart was here? But I just you know,
I talked to some mentors, Coach Carroll, Coach Saban knowing,
especially when Coach Carrol saving your dad, I would tell
you to go, man, take the shot, you know, take
the shot. You've accomplished a lot here, you know, I
always felt I always hated how we only gave one
year to Tennessee and left. I really hated that feeling
of that, you know, even though it was exciting year.
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But you know, I think that we gave a lot
to this program and to the city and you know,
some of those historic wins in this stadium they've ever had,
and best best regular season in the history of the school.
So I feel proud of that part. But it became time,
you know, I talked to God and tell me it's
time to take a new step. It's a new chapter.
Speaker 9 (20:33):
And he also talked about why it took so long
to make the decision.
Speaker 10 (20:37):
So many emotions today, and it was so rushed. You know,
this isn't a normal job. And so I'm not complaining
about the job. You know, this is a very abnormal
job that you don't get a chance to just go places,
look around, make decisions, you know, maybe starting four months
or something when you relocate. This is one of those
strange jobs that you got to get on a plane
and go. So I hate that part of it, and.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
But it is what it is, don't you guys think
And just watching the way this has been covered and
reading comments on Twitter and whatnot. Don't you think that
compassion has been kind of removed from the conversation. In
other words, this has all been about kind of the
transactional part of this, almost everything from the decision to
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the money, to ole Miss's decision to not have them
coach and all this stuff. But at the heart of this,
there's obviously a fan base. But the people that I
feel most compassion for or empathy for are like the
football players that aren't like the top level guys. I
feel like, as a football a college football casual, I
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always feel like the conversation about college football players are
the guys making all the nil money and have all
these choices and going to poral and stuff, And you
rarely hear about like the eighty five percent that made
a commitment that are just kind of good enough to
play and they actually are there for based on some
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kind of a connection with the coach or the school.
I feel for those players, and I feel like they're
almost getting lost in this conversation. You guys get that
feeling at all?
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, look, education is apparently no
longer part of the conversation for most especially in the
SEC connection with the school is not either. I don't
think there's as much connection with the school as there
used to be. I don't think there's nearly the guys
that you're talking about that are just good enough reality
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as most of them are that guy, but that's not
where they are mentally. But the lack of compassion is
a real thing for athletes, for coaches, whatever. Like it's
a hard call. It's a hard call, and so many
people are being critical of Lane's decision when you're sitting
there going like, well, it's not that easy. Do I
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leave at SEC job. We're having a great year where
we've shown the last couple of years we can be
right there for a job that I think most people believe,
myself included, is all in all a better job because
you got better resources and better in state recruiting and
you have more history. But again, it's hard, you know.
I I obviously related to myself. I had a lot long,
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hard decision leaving ESPN for CBS. The money was not
that different, it just wasn't, and I just I always
want to do the fun of four. I want to
move back home to California. I wanted my afternoons with
my kids, But it was not easy. I loved ESPN.
I had so many good friends there. Leaving CBS for
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Fox was equally difficult. I just didn't have really the
time to make that call. And taking this job, I
didn't have any time. Just do you want it? Yeah,
I don't say I want it, then they're moving on.
But I actually really understand that. I don't think we
have the compassion for people because we view it as
a bottom line business. And the only reason that people
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think he's going there is the one hundred million dollars.
Don't get me wrong. That helps. And these are first
world decisions and he is. He's acting entitled because he is,
But there is still the core of do you leave
one job for another when in reality you're probably perfectly
happy where you are.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
Dan Byer, Yeah, I just I think that people want
to look at Lane Kiffin like his dad and grandpa
went to ole Miss, and that old Kiff and Lane
kiffn is tied to ole Miss because it's always been
in his blood. No, that's basically the fan base. And
that's so when Jason's talking about the people who are burned,
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and I agree with him on the not everybody is
nil and transfer transfer portable if you will, in going
to another school. Some guys are going to be at
ole Miss for four years and they've been on a
heck of a run as of late. Others maybe wanted
to go ole Miss and like Lane Kiffin, and now
they're gonna have a decision to make because maybe Lane
Kiffin doesn't want him at LSU. But I think it's
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the it's such a disconnect because I get that ole
Miss gave Lane Kiffin an opportunity, but Lane Kiffin is
still in Kiffin and he's only been there six years,
and I think that you're foolish to think that. And
it's nothing against Oxford Mississippi and it's nothing against ole Miss.
I don't think it's crazy that Lane Kiffin says, you
know what, maybe I don't want my legacy to be
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the twenty twenty five ole Miss football program because if
he goes seven and six the next three seasons, ole
Miss may be looking for a new head coach to
replace him. And now his opportunity to go back to
a blue blood if you will, or one of the
top marquee programs in college football now has been squandered.
So he's trading in ten chances at winning a national
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championship or right now or going for that instead of
maybe the one in twenty twenty five. And that is
the tough part about it. And you're now in a conference, Doug,
where you've talked about we've had the question of like,
what job would you take here? What is the best spot?
And Doug's brought up Texas, A and M like for
money and commitment towards it. So now you're competing against
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A and M. You're competing against Texas, You're competing against Oklahoma,
you're competing against Yes LSU, you're competing against Alabama, you're
competing against Georgia, you're competing against Tennessee, you're competing against Florida.
Where's Ole Miss in all of this? So now link
Kiffin wants to sit there and what ninth tenth, And
it's not meant to disrespect Ole Miss, but he's not
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tied to Ole Miss. He's a football coach. He's worn seven, eight,
nine different logos throughout his career. So it's such a
different job. It hurts for the fan base and it hurts,
but that's not how coaches. Most coaches are wired. Players
are wired, and especially Lane Kiffin.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
A great Uh yeah, yeah, you know they will tell
you never leave your job unless you're leavehim for the
best job in the league. You know, if you got
it rolling. I don't know if LSU is the best
you have in the league, but it's it's in the conversation.
It's in the conversation.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
Yeah, how many times are you gonna be a you're
in and you're out? What are the just the odds
of being able to compete? You know what this college
football is now with all of those schools. And by
the way, whoever got the LSU job is probably gonna
be out ahead of Ole Miss if it wasn't link Giffen.
So why wouldn't you take that?
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I got it? And again it doesn't mean that you
have to. Okay, I haven't been presented with there. I
have not been successful enough to ever. But you get
people all the time like why you're just gonna win
and leave? Like literally, I don't know. I do feel
emotionally tied to this place. I've only been here two years.
(27:47):
It would be a dream to be in six years
to be the position where you're like, you're literally the
best team the school has ever had, and at that
point in time. Again, I don't know what my reaction
would be, but it's very very human for you to
think of, well, these people believed in me when other
people didn't. On the other hand, if I start losing,
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no matter how much they believe in me, I'm gonna
be out. So do I keep on keeping on? What
do I do? I just so many, so many of
us view it through the lens of what it was
like ten years ago. And we're also criticizing Lane Kiffin
as if it was Tennessee. He's only here for a year.
Six years is again a long time? Would that make him?
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Mark Stoops was probably like the longest tenured coach in
the SEC he got fired today. I can't think of
a guy. It's probably Kirby Smart. It's probably now the
longest centered coach in the SEC. Sure, yeah, right, And
I don't think he's been there ten years. Like the
days of the guy staying thirty years at a place
is very I mean outside of Iowa, who's done it?
Speaker 7 (28:55):
You saw Utah was the next. I think he's next Utah.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Yeah, okay, yeah, those are the two. But there's like
one hundred and thirty something Division one teams and we're
talking about two.
Speaker 7 (29:05):
I think Mike Gundy was on that list of the
top three to five and yeah, twenty one years.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
So nineteen seventy one, Ole Miss had a ten win season.
That was the last since Eli and ole Miss in
two thousand and three. They then had one in twenty
fifteen with Hugh Freeze. Lane has had three. And if
you were to ask Old Miss when he takes over
in twenty twenty, if you could have three ten win
seasons in the five in the just looking at the
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record here, it's twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, twenty yeah,
oh yeah, in twenty five. Yeah, if if you look
at the six years, yep, so that's four. So if
you were to say in the in the six years
you had four to ten win seasons, would you take that?
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (29:48):
Yes, absolutely, yes, absolutely, yep.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
There's a good run.
Speaker 7 (29:52):
It was a good run. But doesn't it feels like
there was still more work to be done at ole Miss?
Like they didn't actually get to the playoff under Lane Kiffin.
They would have this year if he stuck around, they
might still get there, but he won't be there. So
it's like, just I don't feel satisfied with Lane Kiffin's
time there. Of course, the ten wins thing is great, but.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
You don't think you are satisfied.
Speaker 7 (30:11):
It's not sad.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
Centering the what had just laid out the bed ten
to three wins.
Speaker 7 (30:15):
No, you're right, it's nice, but you know it is
Ole Miss.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
He's He's the one that's supposed to.
Speaker 7 (30:22):
I mean, no, I'm any kind of irritation with it.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
I think I think a lot more people feel the
way that Sam does than the way that Doug looks
at it. Of the way that I look at it.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
I would say that if you would have asked me
ten fifteen years ago, I would have looked at a
lot more the way that Sam looks at it, and
I would have said, hey, you know, like, if you
can get to a college fat playoff at all, Miss, now,
why can't you? But I'm just telling you, based upon
the landscape of the sport. I mean, you're talking about
schools paying fifty like Kentucky's going to play thirty seven
million dollars and Mark stoops to not coach. Literally, you
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have a bad year and you're immediately on the hot seat.
You have that next year you better start out with
a way record and if your schedules too hard, like
you're out.
Speaker 7 (31:04):
You look at Michigan State Jonathan Smith and look.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Coastal Carolina Jonathan Smith, Michigan State, great call.
Speaker 7 (31:10):
Look at their last two coaches, Mel Tucker and and
Jonathan Well. Mel Tucker got yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Jonathan Smith comes in Smith. It's a scouldering two years
file of doo me.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
Mel Tucker got fired because they could fire him with cause.
Speaker 7 (31:25):
I'm just saying that there was It's been a mess
at Michigan State. They've not done the coach hiring thing
well lately. But the Jonathan Smith think he won five
games his first year, then they go oh to eight
in a big ten until his last game. He finally
when they finished like four, four and eight, and he
just I just yeah, I don't like that either. It's
really rough. That's really rough.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
So again, like you want to sit there and tell
me like you need to stay because you're they're be
loyal to you and whatever, Like I get it. I'm
just telling you, based upon the landscape of the sport,
go get the biggest check, Go have the most sources.
Everybody knows. Like you'll have games where you look and
you'll go like we we don't have a shot. They
have just better players than we do. You can coach
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The press.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
All right, Doug, I'm gonna pay off the teas right now.
I know it doesn't have to do with the Fox network,
but still is just a college basketball fan. I think
we can all appreciate this. We're gonna hear Dick Vitale
in the NCAA Tournament. It was announced today as the
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partnership with ESPN and CBS and Turner and the whole deal,
that Charles Barkley and Dick Vitale will actually be on
the call as analysts for this Saturday's game or excuse me,
the Saturday, December thirteenth game between Indiana and Kentucky. They
will also be a part of a First four broadcast
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of the Division One Men's basketball Tournament. Yes, Charles Barkley
and Dick Vitale will be on the call in March
for a First four game in Dayton.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
That's really cool, really cool. It is interesting, though, like
this generation gen z no idea who Dick Vitae is
or what he's done for college basketball.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
And it was always my understanding, Doug, that before j
Billis got to be the number one guy replacing vitalent ESPN,
is that the top analyst on the top team, that
they would let Billis do CBS, but they wouldn't let
their top guy do it. They wouldn't let vital do
the NCAA Tournament for CBS over the tournament because he
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was their number one guy. Is that is that accurate?
Billis doesn't do it anymore.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
For he previously had a contract with CBS, then he
went exclusive with ESPN. But VI Talent they've offered up
viy tal Vitaal has actually done it for the international
broadcast for years, like ESPN actually has the international broadcast.
Speaker 8 (34:52):
Right.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
I don't think it has to do with being their
top guy. I think it has to do with who
is in charge of the time. And obviously those things
have kind of gone away where now guys get to
work for multiple networks.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
Sure, well, because of the consolidation of all these leagues
and whatnot, they're going to have vital In Barkley on
the call for the Indiana Kentucky game and then a
First Four game in Dayton in March. All right, still
awaiting the Lane Kiffin press conference. UCLA is hiring James
Madison at football coach Bob Chesney to leave the Bruins
football program. By the way, Chesney will be able to
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coach the Dukes in the Sun Belt Championship game on
Friday and possibly in the College Football Playoff if they
make it.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Yeah, So why is that different than Ole miss I
don't really understand that. Like people thought it's crazy for
Lane Kiffin to want to coach his team, and I
don't mind. I understand what Keith Carter's saying, like, hey,
can't be around our kids because you're going to recruit
our kids. That's a real thing. Actually, I'm the only
guy who said that in radio prior to this year.
(35:52):
That that's why some of these coaches when they get up,
either one they don't get to say goodbye to their team,
or two when they do, they keep it super super top.
I sort of feelingless thank you. And that's because the
factors like, look, you got five minutes, you're no longer
the coach here, you can you're not stopping and talking
into these players. That's the deal. That's the deal.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
Doug, get ready for college football in Brazil in twenty
twenty six, an ACC showdown between Sorry I didn't mean
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State will be taking place in Brazil. The first ever
FBS game in South America coming up on August twenty ninth.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Chasing that dollar, man, how about that chase? Chasing that dollar?
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what we hated from the weekend. We call it love
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Speaker 4 (01:14):
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Speaker 2 (01:15):
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Stewart's here, Iowa Sam is here. You know what. Let's
start out with Dan Bayer. You get something you love
from the weekend?
Speaker 5 (01:39):
Danny, I sure do.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Doug.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
I had been waiting for November twenty ninth, twenty twenty five,
for three hundred and sixty four days, ever since Ohio
State was unable to beat Michigan in a game that
they were heavily favored to have their losing streak to
that team up North extend to four games. I've been
waiting for the game on Saturday for a long time,
(02:02):
and while the early moments of the game did not
look good for the Scarlet and Gray the ending moments
sure did. The Ohio State win over Michigan made the
sun shine a little brighter, air smell a little cleaner,
and it was just a really, really good feeling to
see the Buckeyes top the Wolverines on Saturday.
Speaker 6 (02:22):
Sammy, I need a couple of ideas on this one.
I need to get Dug's thoughts as well. So Ryan
Day as he completely wiped clean the slate of any criticism,
was this the moment when he when he could do
no wrong? Moving forward now that he's defeated Ohio State
(02:45):
after winning the national team in Michigan the heavy favorite
to win a back to back championship, he.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Won Nash chitcherd last year, right, So I mean it
definitely got the monk that monkey office back. Go ahead.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Yeah, And he had beaten Michigan in twenty nineteen. Michigan
then had a COVID situation in twenty twenty. Ohio State
probably would have won that game, but they just didn't
play it. So the last four really built up, and
he had beaten them before. It's doing it with his
players in his style. I think that was the biggest
(03:21):
change in this that validates it. It's funny because both
of his wins have come in Michigan. The twenty twenty
game was supposed to be in Columbus and they didn't say, Okay,
well the next year you're going to host in Columbus.
They just didn't do that. They just played it twenty
twenty one in n Arbor. So that's where the odd
years are. But yeah, people never talked about that win.
Not that that was something to completely brag about when
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you've lost four in a row, but this doing it
with his own players, with their style and then just
being more physical than Michigan was in this game. I
thought it was a really good answer for Ryan Day
in that legasy.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
The last part was the big part. Danact. That they
out physical Michigan was gigantic because because that was Michigan
under Harball, that was their big thing. We're gonna be
the most physical team. And people have been critical of
Ryan Day's teams. It was a physicality issue, and they
more than showed that they had grown as a program.
I I agree that was a gigantic win. Gigantic win.
(04:20):
It solidifies them as the absolute dominant team in the
Big Ten, and they can add to that they beat
Indiana in the Big Ten championhigame.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
I see. It's funny because I just there's a lot
at stake on paper. I just don't see. I don't
see like a huge motivating factor to play this game.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
There's not. No, it's again, this is what the College
Wall Playoff has done. I thought of that, which is
like like A and M lost to Texas, it sucks,
but they're still gonna play the College Wall Playoffs. You know,
at Ohio State lost, it would suck, but it's just
like last year, could still win that championship. So that's
what we've done, and we've changed about the sport. Sam
set me love on the weekend.
Speaker 7 (05:02):
I'm not done with this the game. I'm not done
with the game here yet.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Damn.
Speaker 7 (05:06):
I'm just curious. What when's the last time Michigan won
four in a row over Oha State?
Speaker 8 (05:10):
Do you know?
Speaker 7 (05:10):
Do you happen to know off the top of your head.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
It had been so let's see, maybe won three straight then, yeah,
it had been like that, maybe the late eighties, early nineties.
There was a tie in between, I believe in nineteen
ninety one, nineteen ninety two, but yeah, around that time.
Speaker 7 (05:30):
This is Big Four straight losses to Michigan. I mean
it just must have felt otherwise, because, like I remember,
Ohio State would win four over Michigan like pretty easily,
but for the shoe to be on their their foot
man purify the soul, exercise the demons.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
Yeah, Ohio State beating Michigan, believe in nineteen eighty seven,
they beat them then again in nineteen ninety four, so
it may have been in that range. Michigan had good teams.
There were better teams until the mid nineties, and that's
kind of when this all started, is that Ohio State
then had the better teams than Michigan and then they
couldn't at least recently of my generation. But yeah, that long.
Speaker 9 (06:09):
By the way, eighty eight to ninety one Michigan.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Nineteen ninety two would have been a tie. They lost
in ninety three Ohio State did, and then they beat
him in nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
With the memory on that guy look at the big
brain on.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
They beat him in ninety four, beat him in ninety eight, they.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Beat him ninety eight.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
Apparently, they beat him in two thousand and one, then
two they lost in three, then they won from four
to twenty ten, twenty ten was vacated. They lost to
Michigan in twenty eleven. Then they then Urban went seven
and oh and then it was the four game losing streak.
A big brain on this game means a lot. You
remember all of these outcomes.
Speaker 9 (06:49):
It does.
Speaker 7 (06:50):
And I have no doubt they would have beaten Michigan
in twenty twenty because they went off played Alabama for
the National Championship. Michigan would it was only one like
they had a losing record. So interesting. Anyway, where are
we at here?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
We're at Jason Stewart.
Speaker 6 (07:05):
Okay, I love when my instincts are confirmed. Now, don't
get that confused with I love when I'm right. Somebody
once told me that if you need to be right,
then you shouldn't be in this business. You need to
be flexible, you need to be humble. I don't need
to be right, but I do like it when my
(07:25):
instincts are confirmed. I'll give you an example. I started
working here right before the twenty twenty one NFL season
four years ago, and Doug and Dan can confirm this.
I have been killing Tony Romo ever since. I was
negative on Romo when he was still kind of the
(07:46):
poster child for a refreshing broadcaster that everyone loved. I
was very critical of I never understood the thing, never
got it. But something's happened if you haven't seen it.
Over the last couple weeks and the trades. I'm talking
like Andrew Marshatt. And then all the you know blogs
off announcing lots of negative articles on Tony Romo and
(08:10):
his relationship with jim Nantz And you're like, why now,
And Doug knows us better than anybody. It's because somebody
at CBS is talking background to these reporters. I think
they can't get to him directly. He's not listening to instruction.
So let's see what happens when he reads a bunch
(08:30):
of negative things about him. Just yesterday, they're at the
end of the Bills game and the Bills have a
decision late to kick a field goal and go up
three scores or to go for it on fourth down
and just take out the clock. Well, they get up
to the line and jim Nantz is like, they're gonna
go for it, and then a timeout was called and
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then jim Nantz starts to read a promo and Tony
Romo stops him three words in and says, you know what,
the Bills are just going to go up to the
one and try to draw them off side. Then they're
going to kick the field goal. Go up three scores, Okay,
go ahead, Jim, and he just lets him finish the promo.
And I'm like, whoa, that was a weird moment. And
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it's kind of like being a child of divorce parents,
Like there's just always this tension now with those two,
and it's all almost fault. He stopped putting in the work.
He's not as close to the game as he used
to be, and it's been made clear through all these
articles I've been reading. But anyways, I just like when
my instincts are confirmed.
Speaker 7 (09:36):
Okay, Sam, all right, got a couple of things here.
This is just a general thing. Can't do my love
of the weekend with at least just saying love being
with my family for Thanksgiving? It was very nice. I
don't get to see him very often. What I guess
the four fs you would say of life is it
family boy, football, food and the food was so good,
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and faith.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Turkey and dressing them ghibli gravy, mustard greens and Colin
greens and tim green cabbage green and street potatoes and
pecan pine all that kind of stuff, and gem and
chocolate cake and pound cake, and.
Speaker 8 (10:15):
I know you don't think on.
Speaker 7 (10:20):
So that getting that out of the way. All those
great all those great dishes wonderful. But I was watching
the Iowa Nebraska game with my niece who's five years old.
It's the heroes game, and she's like, who are these teams?
Team ketchup? I'm doing team Ketchup. That was Nebraska. She
just likes the colored are colors. So I was like, yeah,
Iowa's Team Mustard. So she was all boored Team Ketchup.
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But I'm like, fry, that's her name. Team Mustard has
now won ten of the last eleven. There's a lot
more you can do with Mustard than ketchup, so it's
good to be Team Mustard. I loved watching Iowa beat
Nebraska yet again. In this rivalry, Nebraska fans seem to
think that they're like above Iowa and their fans. The
fact is that if you can't beat your rival who
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you think you're above, then you really can't say anything.
Ten out of eleven is pretty much domination. So love
seeing Team Mustard get another win over Team ketchup.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
What I love from the weekend personally, love having my
three kids are three kids in my house. Just they're
all delightful people. You know to them. The twins are nineteen,
so like, the conversations are so different, so interesting. Sports wise,
what I love on the weekend Eagles lost to the Bears.
Now I don't know how good the Bears are, and
(11:37):
I don't care. Nothing makes you feel good like when
you watch the Eagles lose. That's it. I don't know
why I don't. I've only had good experiences in Philadelphia,
kind of underrated, cool city. But their fans are obnoxious,
coaches obnoxious. I've never thought Jalen Hurts is all that good.
They play with fire, they play with their food. The
games are all close, and they got popped by the Bears,
(11:59):
who may or not be the comeback turnaround team of
the year. Doesn't matter to be watching the Eagles lose
on a Thanksgiving weekend enjoyable. Let's go to what we
hated from the weekend. A resident hater is Jason Stewart.
You can start us off.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
It all comes down to one play. There's two things
that I hate about one play. I've been very vocal
about my support for Aaron Rodgers, and in this is
probably last season. I don't think it's been covered enough
and there's probably a purpose behind that. But Aaron Rodgers
took an awful hit yesterday. And this is why I
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hate two things about this play. I hate that the
Bills have a healthy Joey Bosa. I'm not familiar with that.
I would love to know what it's like to get
a healthy Joey Bosa. He was oft injured and he
got a lot to be I got a lot of
money to not play with the Chargers, and he's a
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difference maker with the Bills this year. And he just
about murdered Aaron Rodgers on a sack that he didn't see.
The sack drove Aaron's face into the ground, broke his
nose so much so that Aaron for the rest of
the game looked like Mark Hamill when he came back
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for Empire Strikes Back after a bad car accident, Luke Skywalker.
Mark Hamill was no longer castable for the rest of
his life because he was so atrocious looking. He could
only get Star Wars gigs and animation. That was Aaron
Rodgers in the second half of yesterday's game. He was
Mark Hamill after the car accident before Empire strikes back,
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horrible image.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
I didn't think he was going to return to the
game because Mason Rudolph came in for a little bit.
What do you know, Rogers returned.
Speaker 9 (13:50):
To Return of the Jedi. Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 5 (13:53):
Yes, through you, I was going.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
To use this the same game, but I got to
point out I was going to use a different player.
Cam Hayward after the game was complaining about Josh Allen
kneeing him in the in the gut, but the play
happened in the first half and he's still mad about
it when their defense thinks, here's Cam Hayward after the game.
Speaker 8 (14:20):
Being needed in my stomach. And then he was drawing
back and forth, and then he ticked off the entire
game because as a quarterback they're protected.
Speaker 7 (14:28):
But I'm not just pisses me off saying need you
or anyone else.
Speaker 8 (14:32):
That's exactly what I'm saying.
Speaker 10 (14:33):
Did you cross the line throughout the game?
Speaker 7 (14:35):
I was that was that one incident?
Speaker 9 (14:38):
Is that on purpose by him? Yes? Even said after
you know I had to do something to get you
off of me.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Yeah, again, it's he was tackling Alan. Alan used his
knees to protect himself from the weight coming down on
him and Cam Heyward. He even said, like the rest
of the game, that's all he could think about. Cam
Hayward stinks. Now he is a a tremendous as a
tremendous career with the Pittsburgh Steelers. But remember this is
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the same guy who before the year was like, hey,
I need a new contract. They're like, yeah, we'll put
some incentives in there. Their defense stinks. Cam Hayward, He's
just over the hill. And you know, veteran players will
talk about young players being immature if something that is
in football distracts them during the game, right, and then
(15:31):
we'll always talk about Cam Hayward just said, like the
whole rest of the game, he was jawing and he
was mad about one play that happened the first half
instead of just playing better football. I don't know what
happened to Steelers, but I can't stay and watching him.
I hate it. I hate it. Damn Byer.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
By the way, I don't know if you guys hit
it in the pod that's coming up, but did you
hear the Shelby Harris response to Juwan Jennings from the bronzmember.
Remember on Monday night, Juwan Jennings went after Trayvon Marry
of the Panthers, and then the Panthers and then the
NFL suspended marrig for hitting Jennings in the you know
(16:09):
Watts with his casted hand. Well, this is apparently Juwan
Jennings is getting under people's skin. And I don't know
if he was the one that actually did start it
against Carolina, but this is what the Browns. Shelby Harris
said to say about Juwan Jennings after yesterday's Niners Browns
game in Cleveland.
Speaker 8 (16:25):
He's a hoe and I want that known, Like I
see why he got punching the nuts, because that's like
he says some things that you should not say to
another man ever. But I don't respect it because you
say that I didn't run behind your ole line. That's
some real soft shit and I want that know. I
see exactly why they punched the nuts. I'm surprised nobody
punched them in the jiet.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
So good, so good.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
I'll make my hate quick. I just I love that
sound bite. I hated the response to the possible Jeremiah
Smith fumble or losing control of the goal line in
the Ohio State Michigan because it is a rule that
we have talked about in other sports shows and people
have talked about so many times. But I think because
(17:08):
it happened against Ohio States in a unique circumstance, there
were so many well, that's a touchback. That's got to
be a touchback on the broadcast, Mark Perera, that's a touchback.
Joel Klatt, that's a touchback. That's how this would this
would be such a game changer. And Jeremiah Smith wasn't
trying the hot dog, He didn't drop the ball before
the goal line trying to show off. He was running
(17:30):
and getting into the end zone and still, by the way,
held on to possession of the football. But it felt
a rule that I think everybody for the most part
doesn't like because it was possibly going to happen against
Ohio State in that moment, everybody was like, Yep, that's
the role, that's the role. That's a touchback. That's a
touchback when it should have been anything but that. That's
(17:53):
what I hated.
Speaker 7 (17:54):
Sammy, Well, you guys already touched on a little bit
this is just a sort of a larger picture. I
hate it's the uh, the NFL's bad behavior issue this year.
I don't know what's in the smelling salts this year,
but we've had incidences of spitting, a couple of times fighting.
We had a guy threatened to kill another player. Whether
it was meant in jests or not, that was that
(18:16):
was a punter threatening between what the Titans and the Jaguars. Jaguars,
We've got a guys getting punched in the groin. We've
got Juwan Jennings being disparaging and dehumanizing with his language
on the field. I think we need to call a
time out. We need to take the temperature down. Hold on,
I got a look, I got a football. Yeah, I know, Doug,
(18:36):
but I got it. We got We need to call
in Lou Loomis from Caddyshack and just get all the
players in the NFL in one big auditorium and just
have Lou Loomis give him a little pep talk. I'm
gonna put it.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Right on the line. A lot of complaints already fooling
around on the course, bad language, smoking grass, poor caddying.
Speaker 7 (18:57):
It is football, but it's just got it seems like
the temperate just a little bit this year, So you know,
maybe get Lou Loomis in there and just say, guys,
we got to just take it down a notch. Take
the temperature down a notch.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Okay, and that is love and hey.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
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Speaker 2 (19:24):
That got Lap show here on Fox Sports Radio. Jase,
do you want to get on this on the Lane
Kiven thing?
Speaker 6 (19:29):
No, No, I think that there's a lot of interesting
things that about this. It's got a lot of layers, right,
but I do want to play some Uh was it
Marty Smith caught up to him before he got on
the plane yesterday? Uh huh. I thought Lane had some
interesting answers to questions like why did you choose Lsu
over Ole miss.
Speaker 10 (19:49):
Or my heart was here? But I just you know,
I talked to some mentors, Coach Carroll, Coach Saban knowing,
especially when Coach Carrol saving your dad, I would tell
you to go, man, take the shot, you know, take
the shot. You've accomplished a lot here, you know, I
always felt I always hated how we only gave one
year to Tennessee and left. I really hated that feeling
of that, you know, even though it was exciting year.
(20:12):
But you know, I think that we gave a lot
to this program and to the city and you know,
some of those historic wins in this stadium they've ever had,
and best best regular season in the history of the school.
So I feel proud of that part. But it became time,
you know, I talked to God and tell me it's
time to take a new step. It's a new chapter.
Speaker 9 (20:33):
And he also talked about why it took so long
to make the decision.
Speaker 10 (20:37):
So many emotions today, and it was so rushed. You know,
this isn't a normal job. And so I'm not complaining
about the job. You know, this is a very abnormal
job that you don't get a chance to just go places,
look around, make decisions, you know, maybe starting four months
or something when you relocate. This is one of those
strange jobs that you got to get on a plane
and go. So I hate that part of it, and.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
But it is what it is, don't you guys think
And just watching the way this has been covered and
reading comments on Twitter and whatnot. Don't you think that
compassion has been kind of removed from the conversation. In
other words, this has all been about kind of the
transactional part of this, almost everything from the decision to
(21:21):
the money, to ole Miss's decision to not have them
coach and all this stuff. But at the heart of this,
there's obviously a fan base. But the people that I
feel most compassion for or empathy for are like the
football players that aren't like the top level guys. I
feel like, as a football a college football casual, I
(21:42):
always feel like the conversation about college football players are
the guys making all the nil money and have all
these choices and going to poral and stuff, And you
rarely hear about like the eighty five percent that made
a commitment that are just kind of good enough to
play and they actually are there for based on some
(22:03):
kind of a connection with the coach or the school.
I feel for those players, and I feel like they're
almost getting lost in this conversation. You guys get that
feeling at all?
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, look, education is apparently no
longer part of the conversation for most especially in the
SEC connection with the school is not either. I don't
think there's as much connection with the school as there
used to be. I don't think there's nearly the guys
that you're talking about that are just good enough reality
(22:35):
as most of them are that guy, but that's not
where they are mentally. But the lack of compassion is
a real thing for athletes, for coaches, whatever. Like it's
a hard call. It's a hard call, and so many
people are being critical of Lane's decision when you're sitting
there going like, well, it's not that easy. Do I
(22:59):
leave at SEC job. We're having a great year where
we've shown the last couple of years we can be
right there for a job that I think most people believe,
myself included, is all in all a better job because
you got better resources and better in state recruiting and
you have more history. But again, it's hard, you know.
I I obviously related to myself. I had a lot long,
(23:23):
hard decision leaving ESPN for CBS. The money was not
that different, it just wasn't, and I just I always
want to do the fun of four. I want to
move back home to California. I wanted my afternoons with
my kids, But it was not easy. I loved ESPN.
I had so many good friends there. Leaving CBS for
(23:44):
Fox was equally difficult. I just didn't have really the
time to make that call. And taking this job, I
didn't have any time. Just do you want it? Yeah,
I don't say I want it, then they're moving on.
But I actually really understand that. I don't think we
have the compassion for people because we view it as
a bottom line business. And the only reason that people
(24:05):
think he's going there is the one hundred million dollars.
Don't get me wrong. That helps. And these are first
world decisions and he is. He's acting entitled because he is,
But there is still the core of do you leave
one job for another when in reality you're probably perfectly
happy where you are.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
Dan Byer, Yeah, I just I think that people want
to look at Lane Kiffin like his dad and grandpa
went to ole Miss, and that old Kiff and Lane
kiffn is tied to ole Miss because it's always been
in his blood. No, that's basically the fan base. And
that's so when Jason's talking about the people who are burned,
(24:46):
and I agree with him on the not everybody is
nil and transfer transfer portable if you will, in going
to another school. Some guys are going to be at
ole Miss for four years and they've been on a
heck of a run as of late. Others maybe wanted
to go ole Miss and like Lane Kiffin, and now
they're gonna have a decision to make because maybe Lane
Kiffin doesn't want him at LSU. But I think it's
(25:08):
the it's such a disconnect because I get that ole
Miss gave Lane Kiffin an opportunity, but Lane Kiffin is
still in Kiffin and he's only been there six years,
and I think that you're foolish to think that. And
it's nothing against Oxford Mississippi and it's nothing against ole Miss.
I don't think it's crazy that Lane Kiffin says, you
know what, maybe I don't want my legacy to be
(25:29):
the twenty twenty five ole Miss football program because if
he goes seven and six the next three seasons, ole
Miss may be looking for a new head coach to
replace him. And now his opportunity to go back to
a blue blood if you will, or one of the
top marquee programs in college football now has been squandered.
So he's trading in ten chances at winning a national
(25:49):
championship or right now or going for that instead of
maybe the one in twenty twenty five. And that is
the tough part about it. And you're now in a conference, Doug,
where you've talked about we've had the question of like,
what job would you take here? What is the best spot?
And Doug's brought up Texas, A and M like for
money and commitment towards it. So now you're competing against
(26:12):
A and M. You're competing against Texas, You're competing against Oklahoma,
you're competing against Yes LSU, you're competing against Alabama, you're
competing against Georgia, you're competing against Tennessee, you're competing against Florida.
Where's Ole Miss in all of this? So now link
Kiffin wants to sit there and what ninth tenth, And
it's not meant to disrespect Ole Miss, but he's not
(26:32):
tied to Ole Miss. He's a football coach. He's worn seven, eight,
nine different logos throughout his career. So it's such a
different job. It hurts for the fan base and it hurts,
but that's not how coaches. Most coaches are wired. Players
are wired, and especially Lane Kiffin.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
A great Uh yeah, yeah, you know they will tell
you never leave your job unless you're leavehim for the
best job in the league. You know, if you got
it rolling. I don't know if LSU is the best
you have in the league, but it's it's in the conversation.
It's in the conversation.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
Yeah, how many times are you gonna be a you're
in and you're out? What are the just the odds
of being able to compete? You know what this college
football is now with all of those schools. And by
the way, whoever got the LSU job is probably gonna
be out ahead of Ole Miss if it wasn't link Giffen.
So why wouldn't you take that?
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I got it? And again it doesn't mean that you
have to. Okay, I haven't been presented with there. I
have not been successful enough to ever. But you get
people all the time like why you're just gonna win
and leave? Like literally, I don't know. I do feel
emotionally tied to this place. I've only been here two years.
(27:47):
It would be a dream to be in six years
to be the position where you're like, you're literally the
best team the school has ever had, and at that
point in time. Again, I don't know what my reaction
would be, but it's very very human for you to
think of, well, these people believed in me when other
people didn't. On the other hand, if I start losing,
(28:08):
no matter how much they believe in me, I'm gonna
be out. So do I keep on keeping on? What
do I do? I just so many, so many of
us view it through the lens of what it was
like ten years ago. And we're also criticizing Lane Kiffin
as if it was Tennessee. He's only here for a year.
Six years is again a long time? Would that make him?
(28:33):
Mark Stoops was probably like the longest tenured coach in
the SEC he got fired today. I can't think of
a guy. It's probably Kirby Smart. It's probably now the
longest centered coach in the SEC. Sure, yeah, right, And
I don't think he's been there ten years. Like the
days of the guy staying thirty years at a place
is very I mean outside of Iowa, who's done it?
Speaker 7 (28:55):
You saw Utah was the next. I think he's next Utah.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Yeah, okay, yeah, those are the two. But there's like
one hundred and thirty something Division one teams and we're
talking about two.
Speaker 7 (29:05):
I think Mike Gundy was on that list of the
top three to five and yeah, twenty one years.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
So nineteen seventy one, Ole Miss had a ten win season.
That was the last since Eli and ole Miss in
two thousand and three. They then had one in twenty
fifteen with Hugh Freeze. Lane has had three. And if
you were to ask Old Miss when he takes over
in twenty twenty, if you could have three ten win
seasons in the five in the just looking at the
(29:34):
record here, it's twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, twenty yeah,
oh yeah, in twenty five. Yeah, if if you look
at the six years, yep, so that's four. So if
you were to say in the in the six years
you had four to ten win seasons, would you take that?
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (29:48):
Yes, absolutely, yes, absolutely, yep.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
There's a good run.
Speaker 7 (29:52):
It was a good run. But doesn't it feels like
there was still more work to be done at ole Miss?
Like they didn't actually get to the playoff under Lane Kiffin.
They would have this year if he stuck around, they
might still get there, but he won't be there. So
it's like, just I don't feel satisfied with Lane Kiffin's
time there. Of course, the ten wins thing is great, but.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
You don't think you are satisfied.
Speaker 7 (30:11):
It's not sad.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
Centering the what had just laid out the bed ten
to three wins.
Speaker 7 (30:15):
No, you're right, it's nice, but you know it is
Ole Miss.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
He's He's the one that's supposed to.
Speaker 7 (30:22):
I mean, no, I'm any kind of irritation with it.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
I think I think a lot more people feel the
way that Sam does than the way that Doug looks
at it. Of the way that I look at it.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
I would say that if you would have asked me
ten fifteen years ago, I would have looked at a
lot more the way that Sam looks at it, and
I would have said, hey, you know, like, if you
can get to a college fat playoff at all, Miss, now,
why can't you? But I'm just telling you, based upon
the landscape of the sport. I mean, you're talking about
schools paying fifty like Kentucky's going to play thirty seven
million dollars and Mark stoops to not coach. Literally, you
(30:55):
have a bad year and you're immediately on the hot seat.
You have that next year you better start out with
a way record and if your schedules too hard, like
you're out.
Speaker 7 (31:04):
You look at Michigan State Jonathan Smith and look.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Coastal Carolina Jonathan Smith, Michigan State, great call.
Speaker 7 (31:10):
Look at their last two coaches, Mel Tucker and and
Jonathan Well. Mel Tucker got yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Jonathan Smith comes in Smith. It's a scouldering two years
file of doo me.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
Mel Tucker got fired because they could fire him with cause.
Speaker 7 (31:25):
I'm just saying that there was It's been a mess
at Michigan State. They've not done the coach hiring thing
well lately. But the Jonathan Smith think he won five
games his first year, then they go oh to eight
in a big ten until his last game. He finally
when they finished like four, four and eight, and he
just I just yeah, I don't like that either. It's
really rough. That's really rough.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
So again, like you want to sit there and tell
me like you need to stay because you're they're be
loyal to you and whatever, Like I get it. I'm
just telling you, based upon the landscape of the sport,
go get the biggest check, Go have the most sources.
Everybody knows. Like you'll have games where you look and
you'll go like we we don't have a shot. They
have just better players than we do. You can coach
(32:07):
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Speaker 4 (32:57):
The press.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
All right, Doug, I'm gonna pay off the teas right now.
I know it doesn't have to do with the Fox network,
but still is just a college basketball fan. I think
we can all appreciate this. We're gonna hear Dick Vitale
in the NCAA Tournament. It was announced today as the
(33:20):
partnership with ESPN and CBS and Turner and the whole deal,
that Charles Barkley and Dick Vitale will actually be on
the call as analysts for this Saturday's game or excuse me,
the Saturday, December thirteenth game between Indiana and Kentucky. They
will also be a part of a First four broadcast
(33:43):
of the Division One Men's basketball Tournament. Yes, Charles Barkley
and Dick Vitale will be on the call in March
for a First four game in Dayton.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
That's really cool, really cool. It is interesting, though, like
this generation gen z no idea who Dick Vitae is
or what he's done for college basketball.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
And it was always my understanding, Doug, that before j
Billis got to be the number one guy replacing vitalent ESPN,
is that the top analyst on the top team, that
they would let Billis do CBS, but they wouldn't let
their top guy do it. They wouldn't let vital do
the NCAA Tournament for CBS over the tournament because he
(34:28):
was their number one guy. Is that is that accurate?
Billis doesn't do it anymore.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
For he previously had a contract with CBS, then he
went exclusive with ESPN. But VI Talent they've offered up
viy tal Vitaal has actually done it for the international
broadcast for years, like ESPN actually has the international broadcast.
Speaker 8 (34:52):
Right.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
I don't think it has to do with being their
top guy. I think it has to do with who
is in charge of the time. And obviously those things
have kind of gone away where now guys get to
work for multiple networks.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
Sure, well, because of the consolidation of all these leagues
and whatnot, they're going to have vital In Barkley on
the call for the Indiana Kentucky game and then a
First Four game in Dayton in March. All right, still
awaiting the Lane Kiffin press conference. UCLA is hiring James
Madison at football coach Bob Chesney to leave the Bruins
football program. By the way, Chesney will be able to
(35:24):
coach the Dukes in the Sun Belt Championship game on
Friday and possibly in the College Football Playoff if they
make it.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Yeah, So why is that different than Ole miss I
don't really understand that. Like people thought it's crazy for
Lane Kiffin to want to coach his team, and I
don't mind. I understand what Keith Carter's saying, like, hey,
can't be around our kids because you're going to recruit
our kids. That's a real thing. Actually, I'm the only
guy who said that in radio prior to this year.
(35:52):
That that's why some of these coaches when they get up,
either one they don't get to say goodbye to their team,
or two when they do, they keep it super super top.
I sort of feelingless thank you. And that's because the
factors like, look, you got five minutes, you're no longer
the coach here, you can you're not stopping and talking
into these players. That's the deal. That's the deal.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
Doug, get ready for college football in Brazil in twenty
twenty six, an ACC showdown between Sorry I didn't mean
to laugh, but at ACC Showdown between Virginia and NC
State will be taking place in Brazil. The first ever
FBS game in South America coming up on August twenty ninth.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Chasing that dollar, man, how about that chase? Chasing that dollar?
Speaker 5 (36:44):
How unnecessary? Just completely unnecessary. Two other NFL three. NFL notes,
Vikings quarterback jjm McCarthy expected to be cleared and start
Week fourteen. Jaydon Daniels are the Commanders who the Vikings play,
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Speaker 9 (37:03):
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Speaker 4 (37:04):
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