The NBA's Free Agency Problem and Mike Gundy joins the show!

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Daniel Jeremiah Moved the Sticks podcast covering the Nation Football
League to the NFL Network. Will join us upcoming in
about fifteen minutes. We'll we'll dive on in on so
many things we wonder getting ready for NFL training camps,
which are already underway in so many places. I read
this article The Athletic and I thought it was interesting.
Within days free agency, the league h opened an investigation.

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By the way, that's from s R from ESPN dot com.
The league opening investigation centered on the timing of the
earliest reported free agency deals on June. Sources familiar with
the matter told ESPN dot Com the scope of that
investigation is developing and is expected to include interviews with
players and possibly agents and team owners and sources. So, look,

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what what the NBA is doing is a lot like
what happens in college athletic where yes, there's National Signing
Day and maybe there's a moratorium on actually speaking to
the players, But look, you're allowed to have conversations with
agents about other stuff, and if you happen to mention,
what might happen to happen. This is a really bizarre

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free agency period, which is we think concluded. I mean,
obviously it could change if Chris Paul has traded over
some other deals are made, but to no one's surprise,
both the ESPN and the Athletic have both done articles
talking about the free agency period, which is now complete
and doing an investigation and hey, shocker, some people are

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kind of piste off, right. Do you have teams that
like Oklahoma City who signed guys too long term deals
only to have that same guy the next year walk
in and say he wants to be traded. You have
other small markets feeling like, no matter what we do,
we can't hold onto players. Um, we have guys like

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Magic Johnson conducting meetings even though he supposedly doesn't work
for the organization, only to leak said meetings and to
ultimately backfire because Kawhi Leonards, people said, don't say nothing
to nobody about nothing, and of course he said something
about to everybody about something. He insummation, magic is well magic.

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He did his kind of Magic Johnson sort of thing,
and you know we're left with with Kawhi Leonard as
a member of the Clippers. The Clippers did their due
diligence trying to find another star. Feeling like I feel

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like the more things get out, the more you realize
the Lakers really did have a shot now. They had
to have all their ducks in a row, and they
had to have a really good plan. They had to
make really good sense and appeared to be professional. But
think of what the Clippers did. The Clippers were looking
for another superstar to try and pair with him. The

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Rockets said no one. James Harden, the Wizard said no one.
Brad Veal At the very last moment when it appeared
like wh I had to go, well, I don't really
want to go back to Toronto. I guess I'll do
the Laker thing. Lakers do have an extremely uh strong brand.

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Magic Johnson, the guy who called out the organization for
being dysfunctional and called out others for not being trustworthy,
shown why they were dysfunctional under his under his lead,
because he didn't have his ducks in a row, and
showing he wasn't trustworthy because just the simplest thing, don't
say anything. Magic can't help himself, can't help himself. He

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wanted to save face. He wanted to be the guy
who fixed the Lakers, and instead he's the guy who
helped the Clippers. I oh yeah, YOI I'm not sure
what can truly be done. There's talk about changing the
free agency day to make it before the draft, much

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like the NFL. The problem with that is it pushes
back the draft, it changes summer league, although right now
the rookies who are drafted, many of them aren't playing
in summer league anyway, so I don't know if that
timeline actually works. I do know that when there's this

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much discussion over who's talking to who and when they
can talk to him, over small markets losing players and
big markets getting them over, the old inmates running the asylum,
there's this much kind of unrest that they'll probably be
some new rules which may at first make it worse,

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but before makes it better. But it does prove that
everything we've told you, everything has been as accurate as
anything you will hear otherwise. I'm not a sick of
Fanto Magic Johnson. I love watching him play. I think
he's looked completely in over his head and overwhelmed and
almost clownish in these last six months of the Lakers.

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I did think the Lakers had a tremendous shot to
get Kawhi Leonard because of the Lakers and because it's
Lebron and they got Anthony Davis and three stars will
in fact work, and I think the clip what the
Clippers were able to do was show a level of
professionalism and an ability to go and over spend, like
the trade in comparison for Anthony Davis to Paul George,

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Like Oklahoma City got a ridiculous King's Ransom and they
have Paul George under contract for three years. So I
think Oklahoma City looks great, but they also look like
a little bit of the victim here, and I think
the Clippers look outstanding, and I think the Lakers actually

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look fine. I think Magic looks like a fool. And
I would guess that one of the things that we
have discussed which has come to fruition is you have
Adam Silver, who so much, so badly wants to be
the player's commissioner, that the pendulum has swung too much
in that favor. And now we're having a U Basketball

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where team guys are switching jerseys at halftime and and
loading up on these super teams to try and form
imagined and created dynasties. It's not great. The juctaposition of
the health of the sport in terms of the volume
of talented players and the health of the sport in
terms of the buy in from the mainstream fans. Mainstream

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fans are, in fact loyal people. Americans are generally loyal.
We don't like all of this movement. We like to
know who's where and what's what. And while it's fun
to do the video game thing, to create a team,
to trade a player, when you need a name tag
on who's where, I don't know come again. That might

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be fun and invective, but we we we like we
like change, we don't like transition, and it will be
a transitional year. Think about what happens in the Midwest
when they change a uniform on a college football jersey.
One year is about a decade ago. To Nebraska put

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a white stripe, thick white stripe down there the side
of their pants, and the fans lost their minds. That's
not Nebraska football. The reason that the Lakers and the
Celtics and the Bulls for the most part, still have
the same uniforms as their championships of the past is
the same reason that fans expect the same players line

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up year after year and grow together. It doesn't mean
that we've forgotten that even championship rosters have turnover. Outside
of the top three or four players. It just means
that in our own mind, the way it's supposed to
be is you're supposed to raise your team's level on
your own. And I think the the NBA has kind

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of crossed over into this. They've they've created a way
for us to talk about them in the off season,
which is great for the league, But during the season
it makes it much harder to watch because you don't
know who's playing for who. In addition to which you
don't know who's actually going to play on a given
night because of load management, and then the volume of games,

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you actually don't know who's gonna play hard. But I
read these articles and I think the Lakers had a shot.
I think the Clippers move mountains. I think the Thunder
did as well as you can do. And I think
the the haves and the have nots of the NBA
are going to ultimately lead to some sort of strife

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and some sort of new legislation which will try and
help those smaller market, lesser market teams. All right, we'll
take a couple of phone calls at some point eight seven, seven,
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I promise I will work out up coming. Next, we'll
get to Daniel Jeremiah. He'll join us from the NFL

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Network and UM, I'm I'm I'm excited for this NFL season,
but I want to know the team that he covers,
The l A Chargers, a team that should great fortitude,
had the best tied for the best record in the
a f C last year. How do they How does
he think the Melvin Gordon situation plays out? We'll discuss next.

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may hear him called Charger games locally on on the
Chargers Radio network. He's the one and only Daniel Jeremiah.
He joins us now as training camps underway are about
to get underway throughout the National Football League. And DJ,
let's start with the Chargers, a team who last year
tied for the best record in the a f C

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lost to the Patriots in the playoffs, and a couple
of weeks ago, Melvin Gordon's camp put out there, Hey,
we know we're in the fifth year of our rookie contract,
but we want a new one and the offer that
was made isn't good enough. We're gonna sit or else.
How do you see a plan out, Well, I just
think the Chargers are in a position strength here. You know,

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for for a couple of reasons. Number one, you look
at the contract, him having another year left on the deal,
plus the you know, at least the threat of a
franchise tag. You start there with advantage in the leverage
department to the team. And then you look at the
depth of the roster um them showing the ability to
win games without him last year with a with a
good group. And then you also look at the recent

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trend and history of the the only three running backs
that are getting paid good money. I mean, there's only
three running backs making over ten million a year right now,
and all three of those teams, if you gave him
truth serum and gave him a do over, I'm not
so sure all three of them would it take the
opportunity to not do those deals, So all the leverage,
in my mind kind of points towards the team. I
do think there's the middle ground there where they could

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both reach a compromise and get this thing done. But
you know, I don't know from the outside looking in,
it doesn't look very optimistic that that's gonna end anytime soon.
You know, it doesn't um My friends within the charges
feel like they're kind of at last and final and
maybe over extended themselves even to where they're comfortable, like
they're in the ten million dollar range, and if he

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thinks things as disrespectful, like what's the point of continuing
to to make offers? Yeah, I mean I can. I
can totally understand where they're coming from there again, because
there's just no they have no incentive to uh to
do a deal, so they have all the leverage and
if they feel like you know, you do the math
and say, if the franchise number is who knows, say

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it's eleven or twelve next year. He's making five point
six this year, so you can do the math on
what that number is. And and I don't know what
their offer is, but let's assume it's in the you know,
if it's ten million a year or eleven million a year,
he's still going to make more money in this new
deal over two years, which, um, they could put that
on the table and say, hey, we're doing you, uh,
we're doing you a solid here, Um, Doug Otlip Show

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here on Fox Sports Radio, what about the Cowboys? I
feel like Zeke. I feel like Zeke kind of uh.
It's almost like a soft line. Just kind of put
that out there to see what people have said. And
most people have said, hey, dude, we know you're great,
but one running back to you just got out of
the Commissioner's office, like, what are you doing? Three? We
gotta worry about Amari Cooper and Dak Prescott before you

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hid in the Cowboys situation plays out well. They're thing
is interesting with him because I do think from a
leverage standpoint, even though he's got plenty of time left
and he's had some some some stuff off the field,
I think he's more integral part of their operation there
than any of the other running backs in the league
right now, and he's had more of an impact. Just
with him out there, you'll see more safeties dropped down.

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You talk to teams around the league. That's where the
game planning starts. So he's got some value, He's got
some leverage there. I just think from the Cowboys standpoint,
you look at both the situation with Dak Prescott and
was Zeke Elliott, I don't see them going anywhere this year. Um,
if they're missing one of the two, and people argue
till they're blew in the face, but who's more important?

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I think they need both of them. And when you
look get the window for them and them having opportunity
to win right now, and the wayter zones is historically
done business, I would imagine that this is going to
be looked at his two favorable player deals that will
come down to keep those guys on the field all season. Yeah.
How good are they the team as a team? Yeah,

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I mean look, I think defensively, Um, they've got a young,
fast defense. Um, I think you've got to get your
pass rusher back fully healthy coming off offseason surgery. But
to Marcus Lawrences is a top six or seven pass
rusher in the league. So I feel good about where
they are Defensively, They've got to get the offensive line,
uh to consistently perform up to their ability and stay

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healthy if they keep that group up front healthy. Um,
I think they've got a championship caliber team with a
quarterback in Dak Prescott, who I might have some limitations
here there, but he has a formula he can use
to win football games and he's won a bunch of them. So, um,
I think they're a championship caliber team. I really do.
But that that means they have everybody in on time
and read the start season of that offensive line stage healthy.

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Last year we were concerned about finding another wide receiver
for or a couple of wide receivers for Tom Brady.
Now they had to change, you know, tight ends as well.
It's first time since two thousand and ten he's entered
camp without knowing he wasn't gonna have Rob Gronkowski on
his team. Well, your thoughts on the defending champion, the
Patriots and what they're gonna I know they're gonna run

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the football more once you get late in the season,
but do they have the weapon re needed. I think
they're gonna run it, and I think they're gonna be
conduct people to death, and they're gonna shorten games and
they're going to force you to kick field goals and
get us and a score touchdown. It's like the formula
is still going to be the same. Um. You know,
Gronk is gonna be a hole for them. But when

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you look at the depth they have at the running
back position, UM, I think you're gonna see more two
back stuff from them than than just about any other
team in the league this year. And I think they'll
find ways to just get those guys, pitch up the ball,
get them out in space, and let them go. UM. So,
you know, there's there's a lot of teams you come
one of the season and they're missing this guy or
this guy needs to stay healthy, and you have your

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worries and your concerns. Doug, I don't know if it's
right or wrong. It's gotten to the point where the
Patriots where you just they've earned a benefit of the
doubt of I don't care what they're missing. Uh. They'll
have a plan in place and they'll be ready to roll.
Who's the team who? Uh? And again it's on paper,
it's surely, but people are in the league are talking
about that that that we have we haven't caught up

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to yet, you know, Like, um, I mean the Chargers
were won last year. Obviously, obviously the Chiefs, but I
don't think the Chiefs were It was a surprise they
were because they were good with Alex Smith and then
a better dynamic with Pad Mahomes. But there's always a
team that sneaks up on us. Who do you think
the team is this year? Well, I've been here in
the same two teams mentioned over and over again when

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you talk to people around the league, and I know
the first one people say, oh, you guys say this
every year, it never happened. But San Francisco was a
team that a lot of people feel, um is going
to be a playoff team and they just need to
keep the quarterback healthy. If they can keep them healthy,
with what they've added on the defensive line, um, they're
gonna be a much improved football team. And and really,

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play calling wise, Kyle Shanahan has as much respect as
any play caller around the league. So, um, they're a
team I think that's uh that's got a chance to
have a really good year. And then the other one
is Minnesota and the reason being is is Gary Kubiak
plugging in there, Maybe it's gonna really help Kirk Cousins
and they go out and get you know, Garrett Bradberry
in the offensive line. They've made some improvements there, so

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they should be better up front. They're gonna have somebody
that really knows how to design a system around the
quarterback um and defensively, their talents as good as anybody.
So who who are the teams that aren't as good?
As a reputation that precedes them would tell you, well,
I think there's just the Browns are the hot topic.
You know, UM, people want to see is this you know,

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is this all gonna work? There's a lot of talent um,
but what what's it gonna look like kind of forming
together and what's it going like as a team. So
that's the one I think everybody around the league is paying.
It's engine two and curious about um. But you know, look,
there's there's a lot of people in the media stay
and they're the favorites to win that division. But you
don't get that same answer when you talk to people

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around the league. They just I think maybe they're just
kind of holding onto the old Browns thing. And you've
got the Steelers and the Ravens with such a strong
track record, but definitely a prove it a year for
them around the league. Most interesting team the Packers, Right,
you make kind of an interesting higher. It might not
be the best fit for Aaron Rodgers, but he did
need something different. The defense in year two of a

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newly in solid system with some really talented youth, feels
like the Packers are an interesting team, no doubt. I
think I would. I would put the Packers in there. Um,
you know, coming off of a disappointed here, and I
don't even put the Falcons in there. Um is a
team that's that's really invested a lot in the offense. Um.
You look at what they did coaching wise, I don't
feel like they've got a shot there. Um. You look

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at what they've done on the offensive line wise to
add some investments there. Uh, they know defense Togie when
you talk to him, getting Dean Jones back healthy, Donald
Neil back healthy. Um, I think you like Dirk Cutter
is going to be able to get a good year
out of Matt Ryan. So that's a team with a
lot of ability. But that division is just brutal. What
do you think of the marriage between Jamis Winston and

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Bruce Arians Like I saw some signs from Jamis Winston,
some people just sold their stock to like not gonna happen,
But he did some. There were some times when once
he regained the starting spot. Granted it was late in
the year, but I thought there was some signs. And
then you add Bruce Arians who he has had the
mightas touch with quarterbacks, Kenny, can he save Jamis from

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from from going down the path of ultimately being a backup?
They look like last year. I think it's I think
it'll be a good marriage. I think offensively they were
pretty dynamic and explosive last year. They just gotta limit
the negative plays and that's been you know, really Jamis
going back to his college careers, it's the same thing.
So the ability is there. I think play calling wise,

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team wise, this is going to match him up um.
But they've just got to find a way to rein
him in a little bit to uh to avoid some
of those turnovers. My thing with them is defensively, there's
still just a lot of questions of whether or not
that team can get where they want to go. That's
where my concerner would be, Look, they're gonna score a
bunch of points, and I expect James to play well
in this system. We had Mike Leach on yesterday and

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he was saying, I said, you know, how important is
it for you to have Kingsbury work in the air
aid system work in the NFL? Considering it's like the
first real shot. He's like, look, you look at the
Pittsburgh Steelers. They run air raid concepts. A lot of
teams run an air raid concepts. Like that's great, but
doesn't did a success or lack there of of this offense.

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Doesn't that signify whether or not the air raid will
work in the pros? Is that is that too big
a statement for how important Cliff Kingsbury's offense is in
terms of how that offensive view. Oh, I think it's
I think is I think a lot of people are
looking at this as litmus test to see, um, if
this can work. Now, the same conversation was had about

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Chip when uh, when ship went to the Eagles and
then ended up changing some things there and adapted what
he had traditionally done and kind of evolved a little
bit to the NFL game. Um, you know, especially from
when he started to win he finished up with the
forty niners. So, um, I'm curious to see if Cliff
just sticks to what he's done, or if he's if
he's added some more NFL concepts and wrinkles two things.

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So if it is what he's always done and it works,
get ready because there's gonna be a massive influx of
college coaching them making its way to the NFL. Do
you think that it works? You know what? Yeah, I
don't want to. I don't want to the answer here
and not give you one, Doug, But it is really,
it really is a TB D. I think they've got

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a chance, um to consistently move the ball up and
down the field and rack up a bunch of yards.
My question is gonna be when this offense gets down
inside the red zone, which is where you win lose
football games in the NFL. Um, can they find a
way to punch it in? And that to me is
my concern And uh that's why I would say, you know,
how's it gonna work? Yards? You want to look at yards?
I think they'll be really impressive. Points is going to

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be my question mark whether or not they can punch
it in. Yeah, Um, if you look at um, you
look at the Odell Beckham Jr. Interview. Okay, my takeaway
from it, and you tell me Danna Jeremiah are guest.
Of course you can seem in the NFL Network download
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he had talked about retiring at twenty four when things
were going poorly. He felt disrespected by the Giants. He
was asked why he wasn't it o t a s
with the Cleveland Browns because it wasn't mandatory. Like, I
get that he works out hard, and I'll be him
by that. He practices hard when he practices, but they
are just they're just something to me. There's just something

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missing there that he still doesn't get that there's no
level of accountability for what he can do and what
he can contribute to winning. That he's one of those
I say that I want to win, but I don't
know actually how to win. Is that too crazy to
take from an interview? No, I look, I think you
can take that away. I just think sometimes in these

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interviews some of these guys and and this is the
exact situation here, that's such a long interview, and you
get kind of, uh, a little long winded there, and
then I don't know what you take from it, you know,
I just I really don't. I'm just anxious and I'm
I'm heard enough from Odell. So I just want to
see him get out there and play, UM and see

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if we see the player that we saw early on
in his career, if he can get back to that
and be consistent. Um. So that to me, I mean
everybody parts all of his words. I think it was
a very long interview somewhere with a million different takeaways. Uh,
I'm just kind of over hearing about it. I'm over
hearing about the Giants and over hearing about him. I
just want to see him get on the field and
see if he can live up to the hype and

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and be the guy we saw early in his career
we seen recently. Yeah, it's a it's a it's a
great point. Um Rosen or Fitzpatrick in Miami. Oh gosh.
This is a classic short term long term to me,
I think that decisions should be Rosen, even if Fitzpatrick
is better early on. I want to get a long
extended evaluation of Josh Rosen. And the argument against that

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as well, you might lose some of the veterans on
the team because Fitzpatrick might be better equipped to play
right now, and you're trying to win games. And I'm
sitting here saying, look, that's a I don't know. I
wouldn't stop me. Look, we have to evaluate this kid.
We're not going anywhere this year. Let's be realistic. Um,
let's be uh, let's be honest, and we have to
find out what we have in Josh Rosen. Because we

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all know Ryan Fitzpatrick's not going to be the guy
next year. We have to figure this kid out or
whether or not we need to go in the quarterback
market next year's draft. So to me, I think from
an organizational standpoint, I think you huddle together and say,
I don't care what we gotta do. Um, if you've
got to manufacture this thing for him to win it, um,
but we've got to see Josh Rosen. I tend to

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agree with you. I maybe the least discussed potential star
player in the drugs in the league is Christian McCaffrey.
Like they figured out how to use him, he figured
out how to stay on the field for every down.
I don't know what Cam's gonna look like because he
couldn't throw a football last year. Um, but he's McCaffrey's

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added added weight and looks like an NFL player, and
he obviously he has breathtaking speed and versatility the likes
of which you don't see often. Am I too bullish
on Christian McCaffrey, No, not at all. And you look
at you know what he's run behind. Not one of
the better groups in the league. So um, it's not
like he's benefited from a consistent passing attack or a

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or a consistent offensive line. And he's proven already. Look
if you if sometimes you play these games in the
in the scouting room during training camp, you're in the evenings,
you're gonna get bored. And if you told me right now,
third and three, third, four, Um, you can have any
back on the field in the league. Who do you want?
I don't I'm not sure I would just say Christian McCaffrey.

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For what do you could do running the ball as
well as what he's proven he can catching the ball?
So um, he is an explosive, dynamic player, uh who
kind of gets lost because of where he plays. Be
sure to catch live editions. So the Doug Dot Leaps
show weekdays at noon eastern three pm Pacific. The Dodgers
Stadium thing is kind of interesting, like the biggest deal.

(27:28):
So what there if you haven't a Dodger's Dayum, they've
done a great job of making it look and feel
like it did when it opened in the mid fifties,
and yet you know, adding kind of new age stuff,
improving the seats, improving the boxes or whatever. But but this,
and and tell me if I'm wrong, Dan Buyer, Are

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there going to connect the pavilion, which is where the
outfield seats are, with the rest of the stadium, aren't they? Yes?
That is and that's that's that big thing. And I
actually don't like it. I don't now. I guess you know,
they're building a beer garden, They're putting in a sports
bar out there, like a kid's play area, So there
would be some benefit for people who are in the

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regular part of the stadium, but it's kind of its
own separate and distinct area. Uh, it's got its own
kind of almost environment. I don't know. I know people
have been calling for this for years, but I like
how it was. It's funny I had, you know, I
think we all have buddies who have you know, tried
to do the ballpark tour, and and years back when

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I was still living in Wisconsin, a buddy of mine
came out here to Dodger Stadium to try to mark off.
Dodger Stadium is one of his stadiums. And that was
the first thing that he said about going to Dodger
Stadium was he goes, you can't walk around the stadium.
You are you only have access to the certain areas
that you are sitting, really like you couldn't go out
into the outfield pavilion. And so that he said that

(28:54):
that was very unique, and that always stuck with me.
And now apparently it's going to go away in time
for next season. Yeah, So I mean, look, I think
the underlying issue is it gives people who you pay
less to sit out there and then you can go
sneak into the good seats. And the Dodger Stadium thing
is this you you can if you want there. There

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are ways because they're stairwells whatever, you can go into
the stairs and you can get to other levels. But
generally the whole stadium is that way. As you pointed out,
like you come in and you're on the upper deck.
You actually enter the stadium on the upper deck and
you don't go down if you are in the club box.
That there's specific places where you enter, specific places where
you leave. And I think it. I think it makes

(29:39):
the tickets more valuable. I think it's better that way.
Then hey, you can pay. And this this comes from
a guy who when I was a kid, I grew
up going to Anaheim Stadium and there used to be
a family section was five bucks to get in, and
it was supposed it was supposed to be where you
couldn't get around to get to the main seating area.
But you you end up. They end up like a

(29:59):
couple ratings in like whatever, do whatever, And it makes
the stadium look more full. But it also makes those
good box seats less valuable because why would you buy
them when you can buy the cheaper seats and steak
in the simple fact that you don't have an upper deck,
you know, to walk around the stadium like most stadiums
are enclosed, and that's not the it's not the case

(30:20):
with Dodgers Stadium. Very unique. But they're adding a whole
bunch of stuffs, as you mentioned, into the outfield. Sandy
Kofax is going to be getting a statue out there
all in time for the All Star Game next year.
M Uh, Doug Gotlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Right.
Speaking of Dan Buyer, we'll hear from Dan upcoming next.
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(31:32):
The game today is one? Are the chances? All right? Doug?
We got some NFL topics to talk about, Doug. What
are the chances? Patrick Mahomes throws for fifty or more
touchdowns this season for the Kansas City Chiefs. He through
fifty last year. I'm going to say, I look, I
think that the numbers for offensive football will continue to

(31:55):
grow the likelihood that he throws for fifty more, still
got Travis Kelsey, still got Tyreek Hill, and you don't
have Kareem Hunts. Don't have Kareem Hunt. But that again,
that's although he catched back those also running back. Um,
I'm gonna say a chance he does. And it's really

(32:16):
hard to replicate those numbers, really really hard. Although you know,
he's still not yet in his prime. So if any
if it's gonna happen to anybody, he's the guy. Yard
is a lot easier to replicate. You know, touchdowns sometimes
if you're at the five yard line and its first
and goal, maybe a little different. Maybe you've got more
options to run the ball. But yeah, touchdowns can fluctuate

(32:38):
quite a bit. What are the chances, Doug The Cowboys
running back Ezekiel Elliott leads the NFL and rushing again
this season, had over four yards last year, that was
the most in the NFL. Yeah, pretty good. I mean
they're they're, like Daniel Jeremiah said, they're very much committed
to uh to him within their offense, I would say
that's in the variety forty percent. I mean, look, so

(33:02):
many other so many other teams do it by committee
that that helps him. Um, again, we're assuming he ultimately
shows up when the games are played. That would obviously
hurt him if he didn't play. But um, this guy
not four years old, behind an outstanding offensive line, a
quarterback who need to have a running game, and a
team committed to handing him the football. I think there's

(33:25):
a good job. I'm gonna well. The first promo, if
you will, for the new Hard Knocked Season with the
Raiders was released today, two weeks from today's when we'll
get our first episode? One are the chances that this
are not? Season with the Raiders is one of the
best we have ever seen? Mm hmm. There have been
some duds. There have been some d wasn't that good?

(33:48):
Browne was good last year? Has a chance to be
really good. Also has a chance. Derek Carr I find
to be boring. I think Antonio brown it feels like
he's made for TV and it's kind of over the
top up. We've seen Gruden a lot, so I do
think there's the I think it has a bust. It
has a lot of hype and not a lot of
delivery possibility, But to be the best we've ever seen. UM,

(34:13):
recency bias obviously will make people like it. So I'm
gonna go it's there's a thirty five percent chance of
being the best we've ever seen. What people will say
it's better than it is because it just came out,
and you know, there's a lot of these different shows.
Now you know Amazon has um, what's the Amazon one
called it? Was there? All in? Was that? Or is
that a different I think all or nothing? And then

(34:37):
and then teams have their own like fake hard knocks
or whatever. So, because there's so many of these out there, UM,
it may not feel as as special. Doug, what are
the chances that Tim Duncan takes over as the Spurs
head coach when Gregg Popovich decides to retire as an
assistant yesterday? UM, I don't know. I I I think

(35:01):
it's fascinating that that he was he was hired, he
obviously took a year away. I'm gonna go sixt chance
six percent. I know that people have said, like, why
not Becky Hammond? I just I can't see them giving
Becky Hammon the job over Tim Duncan, I just can't.
And um, if eventually there will be a female head coach,

(35:27):
and you would think Becky Hammon would get the shot
because she was the first one to get on that bench,
but she's not been even discussed in any coaching hires.
I it's really hard to not consider hiring him. And
you look at how the NBA generally works and star
players get an opportunity when others do not. I would
say sixty percent chance, Doug. One of the chances the

(35:50):
San Frantisco Giant straight pitcher medicine bomb guarder now that
they are over five and just two games back in
the final wild guard in the National League. Um, it's
getting less and less by the days, getting less and
less by the day. They played some really good baseball
as of Layton now are in the thick of it.

(36:11):
Trade deadline coming up in a week from tomorrow also
should be noted. Just remember, and you've mentioned it before,
but for the listener, that there's just one trade deadline
this year. There is there's no waiver wire tried waiver
wire deadline. Correct. Finally, Doug, what are the chances that
played Travis's group? When's their pro am at the FedEx St.

(36:32):
Jude Classic tomorrow he's taking part in a celebrity pro am. Now,
we won the pro am at the Farmer's Insurance Open
at Torry Pines as we were victors on the South
course this past January. What are the chances that played
Travis's group takes home some hardware tomorrow. Who is playing
with I'm not sure yet, but there are a bunch
of a bunch of different celebrities, and unlike ours, this

(36:54):
isn't gonna be open to the public like we had
spectators around us, you know, the entire eight holes, you me,
Rodney Harrison and uh we were having a great time.
But this won't be open to the spectators. I'm not
sure who he's playing with though not open the spectators.
M Um. He will hit to the right, I don't

(37:15):
know how far right. Probably a little bit too far
to the right for people. I think there's I'm getting
I'm guessing the pressure and the idea that I've never
heard Clay ever talked about playing golf ever in his life.
I think there's a very very very very slight chance
that they win when they're with that group. I'm gonna

(37:37):
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we are Farmers. So I'm watching the fight Saturday night,
and UM, a little Bertie by the way told me
that Keith Thurman was actually injured before the fights. One
of the reasons he didn't have the same power that
he normally has. And uh, that's the only reason you
need to knock Manny Pacio out. Thurman. For the Thurman

(39:06):
has been incredibly respectful. He sounds like the world's greatest
boxing analysts even when talking about the fight, and he
has accepted defeat with grace and ease in the split decision,
which surprised some people. But if you watch the fights,
wasn't that crazy. I mean, he he recovered from the
first round knockdown, and there was several rounds that were

(39:28):
really close. You know, would I have if it wasn't
for the scoring system, would I've given it to Pacquiao. Probably,
But based on the scoring system, I don't think it's
crazy to have been really really close and maybe given
it to to Thurman. Like I just don't agree with
the idea that every round is equal. You know, it's

(39:52):
just not. Some rounds there's not a ton of action.
Some rounds there is. I think, you know, you just
kind of got a generally get a general sense of things.
But I'm I'm watching and there's the three minute rounds
with a minute thirty in between, ninety seconds in between.
So that's that's thirty six minutes, okay, and then so

(40:15):
in between rounds Ryan helped me out with my math here, right,
So that's if it's twelve, but you don't have it's
not twelve times, it's ten. It's thirty minutes in between
it's right, oh no, and it's thirty it's uh minute
thirty so ten um, it's fifteen minutes total of break time,
thirty six minutes total action times. So since you're talking

(40:39):
about fifty some odd minutes, you know, less than an hour,
and you only get fifteen minutes off otherwise you're in
the boxing ring with a guy who's trying to kill you. Now,
I think that mm A is um kind of equal

(41:00):
to but it's just not as long and probably can't
be as long because your body just can't hold up.
But for an hour to be in the ring, that
many minutes or fifty minutes to be in the ring
thirty six of those minutes, I think that's the most
grueling test of speed, strength, agility, and stamina. And this

(41:25):
comes from as a basketball player, which I do think
is a grueling test of of stamina, speed, strength, explosiveness
that and you will bang into guys. The difference is
somebody punching you and you punching somebody else, Uh, the
emotions of it, the energy to it, the pain to it,
and and just how it wears you out. I've heard

(41:45):
people say water polo. I think triathlons are more about
endurance than all of those other things. I got you
with wrestling and mm A, but they're just shorter. Ryan
Music is a former volleyball player. Can you what what
do you think is the most grueling test of overall
athleticism and endurance. I would probably go with mm A

(42:10):
just because of the fact that, at least with boxing,
you really can lock in on the fact that you're
just trying to defend yourself from punches, whereas the physical
demands of an m m A fight, your fatigue sets
in and there's so many different factors you have to
be on edge four. So I would say, and then
they would probably be a little bit more demanding. Okay, um,

(42:36):
the and and and what I would agree with you
is an m m A when you get you can't
just like grab a guy and hold on right. You
can't go like in boxing. You can get into a
clinch and sometimes kind of catch your breath, and when
you're you're you're falling down tired, you just grab onto
a guy and you make the referee come and break
it up, and you keep holding on, you keep holding on,

(42:58):
Like there was a round where he where um Thurman
got hit with a body shot and it's stunned him
and he basically ran away from Pacio for about fifteen
seconds before he could catch his breath. Otherwise, had he
been hit, he would have been knocked out. Like in
M M A. They're just is zero time to catch

(43:20):
your breath because the moment that you get in a
hold with a guy that actually most of those guys
know how to use that and counter it, and then
they can you know, they can put you on the
mat and make you tap out. I think the difference
is the length of time M m A is is
five rounds, and then how long are the rounds? That's
my question. I've been to a championship m M A

(43:41):
about and um I just feel like they're shorter and
they're not always five rounds, but twelve rounds is a
lot and those are a lot of Like you think
about it for a second, have you ever been punched
in the face. I haven't, Awkwood think about being punched

(44:03):
in the face, and I mean Keith Thurman smiled after
he got punched in the face, and he got knocked
down in the first round because he was kind of
off balance. But think about the idea you're gonna get
punched in the face multiple times and still find a
way to win the fight. I don't know, I watched,
I watched the entirety of that fight, and I just
thought to myself, Um, I was blown away by the speed, strength,

(44:28):
endurance of the of the Sweet. Of the Sweet signs
five minutes for each mm a round, one minute of rest.
Well that's pretty hardcore. You've you've heard my expression with wrestlers,
right that cockroaches, twinkies, and wrestlers are the only three
things that will not be destroyed by the nuclear holocaust.
That's that's that's us. Then I saw this story and

(44:51):
I don't know, we don't have details on what to
make of it, but apparently Adrian Peterson is in default
of several loans, including loans that he took to pay
back the loans that he owed that were other like,
he's in default of three different levels of loan like
it was defaulting on loans, so he took a loan

(45:13):
to pay off that loan. He defaulted on that loan,
so he took another loan to pay off those loans.
And all of these loans of the type where if
you miss a payment it spikes up between fifteen and
twenty three percent interest. And Adrian Peterson, if you wondered
why he's still playing, he had a thousand yards rushing
last year, and he's made over a hundred million dollars

(45:34):
a hundred million dollars during his time as running back
in the National Football League. I remember reading a story
they were talking about Adrian Peterson during his year off
because he got, you know, suspended for whooping his kid
with a switch. And there was a story that he
had a lavish birthday party where he came in on
like a like a throne chair, and they carried him

(45:56):
all in and they had live camels and whatever. Like
I'd like to think, or maybe don't like to think,
but these reports that he was duped by people close
to him are partially true. But I would also guess
that I at least a decent portion of it is
that guy just spends a ton of money. But if
you ever wonder why Adrian Peterson still running in the

(46:17):
National Football League, there's your answer. You got you got
details music on Well, we go back to his thirtieth
birthday party that you were alluding to. It was taj
Mahal themed, so he wrote in on a camel um.
Guests included Jamie Fox was there to dance to some
Michael Jackson music. He had a giant, custom made twelve

(46:43):
ft block of ice that had a P thirty etch
into it, along with some other like it was like
a twelve ft bar that was made of all ice
and had special etchings in it. Um. And then also
his attorney releases atement earlier saying that there's much more

(47:03):
to the story and that he is a victim of
trusting people to manage his money and they did it inappropriately.
So I I do agree it's that may be true,
but it is also these both of these things like
he has I believe he has kids with multiple women. Um,

(47:28):
and that's expensive, right among the things that are the
most expensive. I remember my my late father. This is funny.
Uh My dad just sometimes did not have like the
appropriate response for certain things. Just did like people think
I don't have a filter, and that's how I made
in this business. Probably apple trees make apples. I remember

(47:51):
telling him that I got engaged to my wife and
um and he said, ah, you got engaged, Well just
take it easy on the kids. And I was like,
I don't have any kids, Like no, and having kids
they're really expensive. They're great, they're really expensive. And my

(48:12):
dad like would spare no expense, Like we didn't have
a lot growing up, but if we needed something for
sports or for school, like we got it that in
a video camera. Those are basically all the expenses that
he ever paid. But it's really true. And you start
having kids with different women, now it gets him. And

(48:33):
you're making millions in the NFL, so judges are going
to rule against you now you're now we're talking crazy
money right now, we're talking a lot lot of money.
So Adrian Peterson, still a running back still with the Redskins,
had a thousand like he's a guy to go. Hey,
name the guys the rush for a thousand yards last year.
Most people wouldn't name Adrian Peterson. He did, but apparently

(48:56):
he's in default. My question is, all right, I got it.
Maybe you defaulted on a loan and people manage his
money poorly, but what are you doing taking out these
other loans to pay out the loan, payoff the loans,
and then the third loan to pay out the other
two loans. Like this is just at some point you
gotta go I don't have it and declare bankruptcy. Fox

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college football season begin I don't know how um, I
don't know how you feel about it. First games are

(49:40):
was the twenty four of August, Miami takes on Florida.
Is that right? Like that's the first game of the year.
That's man, that's that feels super super quick. I mean,
um man, so early this year. It's college football is

(50:02):
always weird that you have some teams that have the
kind of the slow ramp up and some teams that
come out of the gate just firing on all cylinders.
Mike Gundy is gonna join us upcoming in a couple moments.
He's head coach and mile moderate Oaklahoma State, and this
year they open up at at Oregon State on the road.
That game's on Fox Sports one on a Friday night.

(50:23):
Under the lights. It is august in Oregon, which is
just kind of a beautiful time of the year. But
you know, like there's these weird like you can't compare.
It's really hard to compare teams, even within the same
conference based upon who they're playing. Right, Like you have Colorado,
Colorado State played first game of the year. That's you're
playing your our trial b y u Utah back on

(50:46):
and they play first game of the year as opposed
to other teams. You know, they they'll play a warm
up game, really a ramp up game before they get going.
It does feel like in college football there's less of those,
but they still exist. And and to anyone who says
they shouldn't exist, you don't understand the financial ramifications for

(51:09):
either school. You know, schools like the Organ States, oaklhom States,
Kansas States, they need those they need on campus games
to fill up the coffers for all the hotels, and
they need to win to get into a bowl game.
And then the other school needs it to get the money.
And yeah, yeah, college football makes money. It makes money

(51:32):
for the entire town as well. It's the athletic department
Boise State opening against uh Florida State, how big is
How big is that game for Florida State considering last
year in that game of course is in Jacksonville, but man,
considering what happened to Florida State the disaster of last season,
even from the opening game, that's a huge one, colossally big.

(51:58):
I feel like I need a back Ryan music into
my backpack or whatever, and I need to take him
to a legit college football game music. Biggest college football
game you've ever been doing? Uh, I guess it would
probably have to be Arizona, Utah And this was like

(52:20):
five years ago. I don't never you've never been to
like a big SC game or a big U c
l A game. No, I mean like I've been to one,
but I wouldn't say it was kind of against like
no name nobody. Yeah, it does feel like the West Coast,
like l A is maybe the last in New York
are like the last because because NASCAR guys will always

(52:41):
go like you need to come out to race. It's
just so different, right. But but there's a lot of
people that haven't been to a NASCAR race. I don't
feel like there's a lot of people that haven't been
to a big time college football game. Outside of in
Los Angeles and in New York, there are a lot
Like last year, I went to a clemsing game, went
to a Florida State game. I went to an Oklahoma

(53:02):
State game, um mos, like I went to an SC
game at U c L A game like I went
to a bunch of college football games. I love it.
I love it, but there there is something different when
you go Midwest. I would say Midwest and the South,
you know, Pacific, Northwest, Oregon. I've never been to it.

(53:22):
I actually went to an Oregon game once, um A
U DUB game I have never been to. And obviously
once you get to the Washington States and Oregon states,
it's more kind of classic college football. But South in
Texas and and in the Big Ten, I feel like
we need to have a a um A show trip

(53:45):
like we'll have Ramos. Well, Ramos won't be able to
go because game we'll have. Let's have Buyer do it.
Buyer's a Midwestern guy. Have him pick out a Big
Ten game and we'll all go. But if I want
to go, like I want to go and then go
to a Packer game next day, by are you in
on that? Can we get you do that? Sure, we
can work on it. Absolutely. So if you're gonna go

(54:05):
to a big ten game, which one you want to
go to? Um, I've been fortunate enough to see a
bunch of good games. So we'll have to We'll have
to figure out something where Ryan Music isn't gonna be
too cold. So I think that takes November out of it.
October Novembers, not early November is not bad. October is
the best. Yeah, October would be a nice time to
do it where you get do a little bit of

(54:26):
chill in the air. A lot of different matchups that
that we could see. Okay, So let's work backwards. Let's
work backwards here. Okay, So we need an October home
Packer game, right that, that's what we need in order
to do both because I want to go see it.
I gotta go see a game, Okay. So in October, UM,
they play the Lions at home on Monday night, the

(54:49):
Raiders at home on the twenty I don't love either
of those two. On the last Sunday in that's a
Thursday of a Thursday night game against Eagles, which is
a Fox game. I think that might be our ticket.
That's the twenty six of September. Alright, so we were
let's work backwards here. If we could do Thursday night football,

(55:12):
then we need a twenty September college football game September,
which I believe is the fifth week of the season.
So here's the big ten games that you can choose
from Maryland, Penn State. No, thanks, that's at Maryland. No.
No by Rutgers, Michigan No. Minnesota, Purdue no. Although produced

(55:36):
kind of interesting keeping their head coach uh Ohio State
in Nebraska winner winner chicken dinner or Northwestern Wisconsin music.
Have you ever been like a Nebraska football game that's big,
that's that's a big time football against Ohio State. Sounds good?

(55:57):
I think we have, um Dan, how far a drive
do you believe it is? From green Bay, Wisconsin Lincoln, Nebraska.
It's funny because my first stop, my first stop when
I moved out to California, my first leg was I
drove from Madison to Lincoln, Nebraska. Okay, so you know,

(56:21):
so how far it's? Well, I stopped that Field of
Dreams and that was about eight hours, so you would
have it about ten hours, I would think, because green
Bay to Madison's about a two hour drive. It's it's
nine it says on my map it'say is nine hours
and sixteen minutes from Green Bay to from Green Bay,
green Bay is way. Yeah. Yeah, so Thursday night, and

(56:45):
it was about right because it's about eight hours. Really
it's really good. It's a ten hour drive, right, you
gotta stop and take a leak and and and get
a sandwich. So here's the way I see it. Boys, like,
we're gonna call sales and we're gonna do this all right.
On End's day, we fly in. You guys don't like
red eyes like I like red eyes like I feel
like we fly into Chicago. I don't think there's anyone

(57:07):
on the planet that enjoys a red eye like for
sum enjoy a red Eye. I just hate wasting time.
I can sleep on a plane, and so if I
can go do it and do a red Eye, and
it's super. It's the airports. If you do at the
right time, the airports aren't it's tough to get in
out of We fly in on Thursday morning, we do

(57:28):
the show from green a Green Bay affiliate, right. Uh.
Then Friday morning we get in the cop We're get
in the car and we drive like halfway, we do
a show, and then we drive the rest of the
way to Lincoln, Nebraska. We watched the game. We fly
home probably Sunday morning. Who's in sure? I'm game? Hey,

(57:53):
why not? Let's do it? And Rama's is paying right, Yeah,
he's not here to I mean he's that he's not
gonna get on the plane. So like, listen, we'll experience it.
We'll send you lots of photos and you'll do it.
It's a long drive across Iowa. I'll tell you that.
It is a long time as somebody. We're the only
two people who have made that drive. Iowa and Nebraska

(58:15):
are remarkably flat, like, remarkably remarkably flash like, like uncomfortably
Oh my god, how do people do this? And they do?
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He's the head coach of his album Motio, which happens
to be my album monitors My Gundy, and he joins
us here on Fox Sports Radio. Mike, how are you.
I'm great, Doug. I was, I was finishing up doing
something I was bailing some hey, and I realized I
was seven minutes late, so I apologize for being late,
but I did get to catch up on the national news.
They're listening, so that it wasn't that bad. Wait wait, wait,

(59:00):
are you seriously billing? Hey? Are you just saying that
the pull are l No? No, huh no, we're we're
we just finished. Uh we cut the other day and
tethered and then you know, you let it set for
eight for eighteen to thirty six hours, depending on the
wind in the temperature, and uh we we ran, but
we round belled it today and so we just finished up. Um,

(59:21):
and we should get one more cut, probably in October.
How how much are you out there? Well, when I'm
on vacation, I'm there every day like that when I
take time off. Um, and you know this, well, you're you're, you're.
It's the same for you, Like if you're anywhere near
the office or work, you're not really on vacation. You're working.

(59:42):
I mean that's just the way it is, right. Um.
So I go on my tractor and I worked the
fields and then I don't take my phone out there,
and so they, um, Danielle, who who my assistant that
works with me. She knows that I'm on a tractor,
and she tells him he's on a tractor. So if
they need me, they're gonna have to drive out to
the ranch and drive out there on the property and

(01:00:03):
get me if it's really really important. So that that's
that's how I kind of get away. And plus I
enjoy doing that. Uh you know, I've got a hundred
anchors here that we farm with high protein weed free
um bermuda. Hey that that these horse farmers by. I'm
on the other end of it with I got girls
at ride horses, So I know how expensive that high

(01:00:25):
end weed free stuff is. So so you have you
have no cell phone? Do you have music playing? No?
You know, one thing my dad taught me is is
anytime you're operating heavy equipment, tractors and machinery. You know,
they have these new machines that all have radios and
music and it, but you can't hear the machine. You

(01:00:45):
don't know if something goes wrong, you know, and it's
not good to listen to music. So I was trained
to the young age to never listen to music when
I'll operate machinery. And so that's always stuck in my head,
and so no, I don't listen to anything. I kind
of watch what's going on and listen to this, listen
to the tractor in the equipment, and this is your
like kind of therapy. Is it cathartic to you? It?

(01:01:05):
Is it? Really? I don't play golf. I mean I coach,
and then I follow my kids around doing what their stuff,
you know, baseball or football or whatever, just like you
follow your kids. I don't play golf. I don't do
any of that stuff. So that's my getaway. The only
other thing I'll do is every once in a while
go to the lake um and just kind of hang
out there. But I can't do it very much. I

(01:01:27):
got to get back and go to work, and it
kind of drives me crazy after a while. Okay, So,
like what if something, if something goes wrong, does your
assistant come out and flag you down? Is that they
don't you know? Or have you? Have you reached the stage?
Where who was it? Uh? Coach Bowden at Florida State, Right,
he had his nap every day and he could wake

(01:01:48):
him up from his nap, Like, what is what? What
is the policy? How big an emergency does it have?
To be to get you off the tractor. Well, I
haven't got to the nap yet. Hopefully I can coach
as long as he did. He coached till he was
about hindy for that, you know, and so he he
deserved then. But um, Danielle knows that kind of what.
She's been with me now for ten years, so she
knows what's serious and what's not serious. But I'm sure

(01:02:11):
you followed. I just I just gave Casey done this
new high dollar, long term assistant head coach, director, head coach,
high dollar title. And so if if it's not really
really really really bad and he gets to handle it,
it's so different from you because because when you first
got the job as head coach, people remember you were

(01:02:35):
calling plays, and you were so invested in calling plays.
There are times you couldn't pay attention to the defense
of the special teams because you're over there working on
the offense. Like has it do Do you miss the
days of being more involved in every little detail of
the offense. Yes, But in my opinion, at Oklahoma State,

(01:02:56):
I'm not saying it Alabama or at Michigan or you know,
I don't know about any other school. I just know
at Oklahoma State, I don't think that the head coach
can operate all the different areas. It's it's become too complex,
in my opinion, recruiting all the media, all the side shows,
dealing with the players, the offense and defensive game has

(01:03:18):
gotten much more complicated than it ever has been. It's
just too much, um. And you know, the truth is this, um.
You know, I'm I'm fifty two or getting ready to
be fifty two or whatever, and I feel great, and
I'm energetic and being fortunate with my health and everything.
But I don't have the same energy level from six
in the morning until leven and ninth that I did

(01:03:40):
when I was thirty five. Yeah, you just don't. And
so what happens is is when I would go in
in the mornings at six thirty and start watching tape
to get ready for a game, and and then I
would stay in there until noon and then come out
and try to get ready for practice and do everything else.
That's what you have to do to get ready to

(01:04:01):
call a game, in my opinion. But but now I
just I I couldn't do it, you know, I haven't
done it in years, and and it's better anyway, it's
better to not micro manage, in my opinion, and it's
better for other guys on the staff to play their role.
Everybody has their responsibility, UM. And so it's been good
for me. I think it's made me a better coach,
and I think it's made I know it's made our

(01:04:22):
program better because I kind of have a better field
for everything going on, not just the offense. UM. You
played obviously for Pat Jones. When people don't know Pat Jones, Uh,
he's still a personality and TV and radio UM in
the Southwest. But he was and he was a great
personality when when you played for him, you guys won
ten games. But I was speaking actually at the o

(01:04:44):
C at the Oklahoma Coach Association earlier today in Tulsa,
and I was trying to explain that I look, I
played for one of the greatest college coaches ever and
he never drew up a play in a whiteboard, like never.
And I have friends that played for Mike Sachowski, played
for Lutles and played for you name it, and they're like, yeah,
they didn't draw on the whiteboard. When did it? And

(01:05:06):
I know it's gotten more complex since you started till
now but compared to when you played until now and
the level of complexity that you need to know as
a head coach. Uh, when did when did we get
to where everything became so complex in in in sports
and and that coaches had to have such an intricate

(01:05:26):
knowledge of each and every play technology there there's so
much more information out there, all the all the when
to go for fourth downs, when not to um um,
certain defenses, certain blitches, certain stunts, certain coverages that you
get on field. Location has location down in distance location, Uh,

(01:05:47):
second quarter, fourth quarter. Now we have much more information
than we ever had. We didn't need to have that information.
So what's happened is these quarterbacks, because of all the
training that's going on in the summer, seven on sevens
and things, they they come into college essentially um with
probably of information that coaches have at our level. I

(01:06:13):
mean when I went to college, I knew just to
I mean I knew just enough to get there. I
didn't know and I didn't know a whole lot. Knew
a few coverages that was said. I didn't know lyne play,
I didn't know protections, I didn't know all that. Well,
these kids now are coming in they know it, and
so all of the different scenarios and the locations on
the field are things that happened. It would virtue would

(01:06:34):
be virtually impossible in my opinion, for a guy to
know it like the back of his hand and also
be a head coach. So the technology has changed the game,
almost like Moneyball with the Oakland A's that movie you
know from Wild Black Well that's gotten into football in
the last three or four years, and I was a
little bit hesitant, but then after you study it, they're

(01:06:56):
pretty accurate. So so if they're accurate, you have to
stay on top off of your game. You have to
be able to keep up with it, or it's a
disadvantage for your team because you're not giving your team
the best chance because you're calling plays and you don't
really know because you're spending time with the media or
doing other things you've got to deal with as a
head coach. And so that's when it's changed four or
five years ago in my opinion. And then and then

(01:07:17):
the other thing that's changed is the ability to to
where the lineman can go three yards down the field
right like the r p O s have. It makes
it really really difficult to defend forget, you know, dual
threat quarterbacks. But but the ability to hand the football off.
I mean that that's changed as well, has it? Not
like the actual officiating has changed. How the how the
game is, how the game is played, and what plays

(01:07:39):
you call, well, there no question. And you know what's
funny is is the NFL is is is watching college football.
That's where they're getting their plays. Okay, that's why, that's
why they hired Kingsbury and and so this has been
going on for four or five years. The Patriots have
done it for for quite a while. End so more

(01:08:01):
NFL teams are buying into it. Um. I don't know
anything about the NFL. Never coached in it, didn't play
in it, and I don't real anythink. I just know
that their coaches are somewhat hesitant at times to say
we're getting plays from college coaches we watch. We had
we had Leach on yesterday and Lee said, I I
asked him about about Cliff and about how important cliffs
success was for the air aid offense, and he said,

(01:08:23):
you know, if you watch the Patriots, they've been running
air aid concepts for years and the Steelers do as well.
He said, just nobody wants to say it because there's
some sort of taboo with it. Well, the Patriots were
ahead of the game in my opinion. The Chiefs have
been doing it for three years. Um. The Rams just
started it a year or two. I can't keep up
with how long the young guys been there coaching McVeigh. Um.

(01:08:45):
They're doing a little bit different, but it's essentially the
same concept. They're tempo and like like. They really put
Dallas in a tough situation this year because of the tempo.
Wasn't the plays they were running. It was the tempo
of the offense that they were running the plays that
caused Dallas the problems. And the Eagles have been doing
it for several several years. Um, the Falcons were doing it. Um.

(01:09:05):
I can't keep track of it. But they're running college
offenses and that's why they're they're they're starting to um
draft guys like Baker Mayfield and Kyler Murray who years
ago would have never had a chance to play. But
because of the style of plenty basically meaning that when
you're our p O and you're not blocking one guy,
somebody's getting turned loose and the quarterback has to make

(01:09:25):
a decision very similar to a point guard. He's got
to dish the ball and get rid of it and
get it to the right person before that guy gets
to him. And so that's why the game's changed UM
in the last three or four years, and people are scoring.
You know, go look at look at coaches that are
in the NFL and UM have have stayed with some

(01:09:49):
of the old school, old style offensive schemes. They can't
score enough points, they're gonna change. Well, how about how
about just even in college football, Jim Harbaugh had the
old style and if he couldn't, he couldn't, couldn't keep
up and how good no matter how effective it used
to be, it's just not and he scrapped it. This

(01:10:10):
year was was was at Stanford, was winning. You know,
I don't know what he was winning Stanford. He did good,
like winning eight games and nine. I don't know if
he ever won ten. I don't. I think they didn't
win a game before he got there. He won ten
is last year and they played you guys the year
after he left, right right, So he's real good with
his style. And then you know, I was kind of

(01:10:30):
following him this year and last year they started Now
they've completely made the transition. So what's happened is it's
just like the shot clock in the NBA and in college.
So you can't play Coach Sutton's gonna play defense and
not turn the ball over in basketball, and he's gonna
beat you because you're gonna make mistakes and he's not
going to make mistakes. You can't really do that anymore
because you can't score enough points righting football. I mean

(01:10:54):
you look at look at years and what was it three,
three or four years ago? You were getting them we
need to uh put a clock on offenses and they
can't snap the ball over so many seconds. You were
getting that from the SEC powerhouses. Well now the tempo
now the now, the SEC powerhouses are doing the same thing.
Hey last thing, we'll let you get back to bail

(01:11:15):
and hey, um, this year starts out on the road
at Oregon State. You know that another program and you
kind of got this. You got you got Spencer Sanders,
a kid who's got a lot of talent but hasn't
ever seen live bullets. Or you got Drew Brown, who
has you mentioned Guys that come in and they know
a lot more, they've thrown a lot more football, as

(01:11:36):
they have the talent, what's the what's the decision, like
first game of the season, experience versus maybe upside and
talent you gotta get. You gotta go with the guy
that gives your offense the best chance to score points
and do it the right way. Okay, And I go
back to what we talked about and saying, Um, you
might have one guy that's more explosive, but but if

(01:12:00):
he's turning the ball over and doesn't understand the offense
and he can't distribute it to the Cuba Hubbard or
to the Wallace or get it to the right people,
then then he's gonna cause you more problems than a
guy that can distribute the ball. And this is the
first time in my career as a head coach and
we've had a quarterback race that's dead even starting in August,

(01:12:20):
and people have asked, um, you know, they said, well,
who's gonna play? I don't know right now. In spring ball,
nobody took it. Now, if somebody shows up in the
next two to three weeks and they take the job,
will name a starter? Makes my job easier. If we
name a starter. I think ultimately that's the best for
the team when they knew who the quarterback is. But
you can't name a starter if you don't know because
you've been in a lot of practice. The kids know, right,

(01:12:40):
they know what's going on in practice. So that's why
I was joking with uh with Kaole, my brother when
I ran in him a few weeks ago, because there
had been a big conversation about it. And I said, well,
you're gonna tell me that nobody on your staff knew
that Kyler Murray was the best quarterback until three days
for the first game last year. Yeah, that that doesn't

(01:13:01):
I mean everybody everybody knew, right, everybody's And so I
was using that as an example. I said, so that's
not I mean, we're not operating that way. And I'm
not saying you were. I'm just guessing that most people
probably knew, um, but uh, but we're not in that situation.
And and you know, we gotta go play at Oregon State.
You know, they score points. People talk about their record,

(01:13:22):
but let me tell you what they do. They score points,
and so that's very similar to what we see in
this league. They score a lot of points. Probably haven't
played as well on defense as they would have wanted. To,
but they did score a lot of points, and they
do it in a little bit of an un conventional way.
They're unbalanced. They're doing wings or doing tied ends over.
So it'll be a dog fight, you know how it
is Friday night game, first game year on the road.

(01:13:45):
Oh well, listen, I will hopefully see up there. If not,
get back on the tractor. Clear your mind. Can't wait
to see in the sideline. That was great catching up.
All right. Well, hey, give me a call the week
for the game or something. Okay, all right, I'll I
listened to you at hearing all the time. All Right,
you're lying because you said don't listen to anything on
the tractor, but I appreciate nor I'm messing with you. Thanks.

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There's a bigger play here, and that is when Gregg

(01:14:53):
Popovich steps down as the head coach of the Spurs.
I think Becky Hammond was going to be the head
coach coach of the San Antonio Spurs. Now, if you're
gonna have players, younger players, I don't know if they
get caught up in am I gonna be coached by
a woman? Do I care to be coached by a woman?
If I have Tim Duncan on that staff with Becky Hammond, man,

(01:15:14):
do I have an insurance policy where there is going
to be a respect? There should be respect and there
will be respect. Look, I think that's possible. I've heard
that that she hasn't garnered the respect from people in
San Antonio's UH coaching staff the way they would like.

(01:15:35):
There has been and it's very possible. Right everyone else
has left and taken some have taken lateral jobs. So
maybe that's the case, or maybe Duncan ends up becoming
the guy because it's just going to be very, very
difficult to be the first woman head coach. You get

(01:15:55):
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we are. It felt like last week, but it's not.
What is it? We're like two weeks removed from from
free agency? Everything hitting the proverbial fan? Is that right? Yeah,
that's that's where we are. And um, look, I think
this is fascinating. There's an article out in the Athletic

(01:17:03):
one on ESPN dot com, This one from Zach Low
Kawhi Leonard nudging Paul George out of Oklahoma City with
two years remaining on his contract, we'll go down as
a watershed moment in the NBA. Now, let's remember that
Paul George wasn't like he went there and they got
nothing in return. They got a pirate's bounty in return.

(01:17:26):
But but the article goes on. Leonard lending George leverage
is the extension of player empowerment. Kareem abdul Jabar demanded
a trade in seventy four, Lebron Dwyane Wade Chris Bosh
of course joined forces. And then nine years later James
wanted Anthony Davis and it took him a year in

(01:17:47):
order to do so. This is not the first of
its kind, but when you're under contract from multiple years,
some officials, even some agents, argue players put teams in
an unfair disadvantage. One request comes with a short destination
lists intended to chill the market. In other words, it's

(01:18:09):
not just that they want out, they want a specific destination,
and they let everybody know they want out and let
a specific destination, and that screws both teams and Adam
Silver has done nothing nothing, And I I understand that
there's this idea we have in mind, player league, player league.

(01:18:33):
It's a player league, and it is and it isn't right.
It isn't. It isn't. Forbes has their list of most
valuable sports franchises. Did you guys happen to notice who's fourth?
The New York Knicks. Now, maybe that changes some in Brooklyn.

(01:18:53):
A lot of that is location based. Some of that
is they own the arena, but a lot of it
is just there the team of New York City. The
Lakers are the team of Los Angeles. And in order
to own those franchises and run those franchises, you're you're
gonna have to pay out millions, hundreds of millions. And
now to buy in, people spend billions of dollars. And

(01:19:20):
while we all like the idea of it being free market,
it's not. It is not a free market. It is
a collectively bargained market. And you have some franchises they
are going to operate in this kind of bubble um
where they can pick and choose who they want, and

(01:19:42):
then you have some other franchises whose bubble bursts because
even if they get it right and they draft a
superstar what's to say the guy doesn't just want to
leave there are there There is still a hope, right,
It's like when Paul George left why and Russell Westbrook
was traded. It does feel like you're You're Johanna Sintenna

(01:20:06):
Kompo is now Princess Leiah. There is another but what
if you honesty here from now decides I want out.
Milwaukee is just too too small for my brand. It's
just too cold for me. I want warm, and I
want big. I want somewhere else. I want New York
where there's a huge Greek population. I want to I

(01:20:28):
want to like that news that Forbes had the Knicks
is the fourth most valuable sports franchise United States. That
is good news for the Knicks and bad news for
the rest of the league. They will get somebody. They
just didn't get anybody this year. So I you know,
as we continue to celebrate the fact that now we

(01:20:52):
have some sort of settling and we do feel like
we have we feel like we have a little bit
of parody, like this actually could be and and this
is what capitalists will tell you all the time, like, look,
I know it feels like only people with money make money.
In capitalism. But eventually the lesson I learned in marketing,

(01:21:14):
I was not a did not have a journalism background.
I had not study communications in marketing and free market
ultimate capitalism, the idea is more more competition, begets more competition.
Now it hasn't worked that way that much with the

(01:21:36):
targets of the world. Although you do have you know,
though it's eliminated the mom and pop stores, you do
have Target, you do have Walmart, you do have some
other big box options. And maybe now the market settles
because there's only one basketball and the Nets have two guys.
The Clippers have to, the Lakers have to, the Rockets

(01:21:59):
have to, the Trailblazers have to, the Warriors have two
and a half, the Spurs have to. You know, in
terms of perennial All Stars, look around the league and
it's finally now reached a point where it's kind of settled.

(01:22:23):
But there are teams that are have not There are
teams that don't have those options. There are teams that
are stuck. Or they grow a player's brand, allow it
to player to to to to play. They even give
it a player a max contractor maybe now a super
max contract, only to be met with the Hey, guess what,

(01:22:43):
Remember how I said I wanted to stay here forever.
Forever just ended, And we can sit here and say
this is cool. It's a players league, but it doesn't run.
It doesn't happen unless you have owners that were willing
to lay out their cash, many of whom before this

(01:23:05):
first TV New TV deal and even some after the
New TV deal aren't making as much money on the
day to day and have lost money previously on the
day to day of running an NBA team. You go
into the luxury tax. You go into luxury tax as
when it's more than just your first time and as

(01:23:26):
a repeat offender, and you're not making money in your
NBA season, You're just not. It's not possible. So I
don't know what you can truly do. I do know
that there will be a reaction, and the reaction will be.
The reaction will be we gotta figure out a way

(01:23:47):
so that it's equitable for all teams, not just financially
in terms of their value of the franchise, but equitable
in terms of the number of players they can get
and players they can keep. And then you have the
the other kind of side part of the story, which

(01:24:08):
is the Lakers and the Raptors feel like they were
duped and used by Kauai Leonard. And the other element
to the story is that the ultimate straw that broke
the camel's back, the thing that turned Kauai Leonard off,
was Magic Johnson leaking details of his meeting with Kawhi Leonard,

(01:24:33):
which is who magic is. He can't help himself. He
can't help himself. You know, he's the he's the heavy
guy who has an eating problem, who can't say no
to donuts. It's like, ah, you know, I'll just have one.
And he wakes up in his sugar coma and there's

(01:24:55):
jelly everywhere. That's magic Johnson. You know, I just want
to get back to being Magic Johnson. Well, what is magic?
Being magic Johnson? You want to be a fan of
the Lakers and act as though you have ends with
the Lakers, okay, but an effort to save face and

(01:25:16):
to make himself important. And he was allowed to be
important because they did have a meeting with him. Leaking
out information however minimal, however minimal. If they asked you
not to. They have every right to be ticked like

(01:25:38):
it's one of the things I've learned in my life,
and somebody says, hey, don't say anything about this. I
was told I was told a secret yesterday about a
major sports injury. Now I wasn't told specifically not to
say anything, but I didn't ask before I left. Hey,
do you mind if I say something about this? And

(01:25:58):
I don't have a second source on it, so I've
chosen to sit on it. It's okay, sit this one out.
I'm not. I'm not, by trade a story breaker. I've
given it to some other people because if I linked
that out, everyone would know where I got it from,
and I hadn't cleared it, and if I didn't clear

(01:26:21):
it with the person I got it from, wouldn't be
good for me at work. I've I've been told, hey,
don't don't respond to anybody on Twitter. And however nominal
and remedial the tweet was, or even just quote retweeting
somebody who had praise. When you're asked out to do so,
you don't do it, or you run the risk of

(01:26:42):
some sort of pushback. Maggie Johnson was told don't say
nothing to nobody. This is like the scene from Goodfellas, right,
they were turned don't buy anything, don't buy anything, take
it back, take it back. The only difference is Magic
can't take it back. He wanted to be important. He
wanted people to know he was still involved. He couldn't

(01:27:04):
just lay in the cut. He couldn't just be Magic
and answer people's text. Couldn't just have you know, drinks
with somebody on the side. Instead, he had to have
everybody know. And not only did he cost the Lakers
Kawhi Leonard, but the fact that he cost the Lakers
Kawhi Leonard makes him look even worse. And the only

(01:27:26):
person Magic Johnson can blame is in fact, Magic Johnson.
Chris Haynes gonna join us up coming next. The dust
has now settled, although we still don't know what happens
with Chris Paul. Does the league think that Russell Westbrook
and James Harden work? And did Magic Johnson come out

(01:27:50):
looking worse now that we believe that that was the
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(01:28:13):
an NBA senior insider for Yahoo Sports. He covers the
league and, um, there's a lot of want to get
to a couple of stories of the day. One is
Zion Williamson signs with Jordan Brand. Of course, remember Jordan
Brand is essentially Nike. I know, it's its own brand's
own company. This is it's kind of interesting. Darren Revelle

(01:28:36):
just tweeted out that there were other offers that had
more money on the table, but Michael Jordan's is his idol,
his favorite player. Of course, she retired before Zion was
even born. But with YouTube and you know the the
Jordan image, Um, are you surprised that that Jordan Brand
is is where Zion ended up a little bit A

(01:28:58):
little bit, um, just for you know, the reasons you mentioned.
You know, Zion wasn't alive when Michael Jordan retired. Uh.
A lot of times when you ask a lot of
players who were you know, born in the in the nineties,
I would say like mid nineties and upwards, you ask
who their favorite players, and most of them would say

(01:29:20):
Kobe Brant or if you ask who that the best
player is that most of them say Kobe Bryant. So UM,
I was a little bit surprised, but like you said
that there is a vacuum connection there with Jordan Brandon. Uh.
At the end of the day, I think it's a
pretty solid fit. UM. I mean, look, I get that

(01:29:43):
all of these guys want to be healthy for the
regular season. We're also seeing load management in the regular season.
I don't know what to make of so many players
pulling out of the World Cup. Actually, I do know
what to make of it, Like, is it just it's
a World Cup? Or is this a bad sign for
the upcoming Olympics that so many players are pulling out
of playing for Team USA? No, I think I think,

(01:30:05):
you know, not to disrespect it, but I do think
it's just the World Cup up summer. Um. You know,
I think Lebron will be playing UM. If this were
the Olympics, a D would be playing. I was actually
told that A D would be playing. UM. But you
know that that's that's why I would leave it sift
me that UH to blame for guys pulled out, that

(01:30:28):
it is the World Cup and you know those guys,
these guys are pulling out. I would expect most of
them uh to be available when uh when Colangelo and
Great Propitis have to trim the roster the soil going
to the Olympics next summer. Um. So I think you
add in add in the fact that this season there's
really no clear cut title favorite, and so a lot

(01:30:51):
of players didn't want to, you know, commit six weeks
for their off season, you know, being out, you know,
being outside the country. You know, they wanted to get
get acclimated with their teammate, trying to make a rough
forward doing this next upcoming NBA season. Chris Haines NBA
Inside for y'all who Sport showing against Doug Gotlip Show
Fox Sports Radio. Tim Duncan get me on the staff
with the Spurs. Does he want to be a head

(01:31:11):
coach or is he the one who's gonna watch over
Becky Hammond's back case she gets the job. Yeah, I
mean I could probably see more of the ladder, uh
from what you just mentioned there, does is really difficult.
You know, Tim Duncan doesn't like the spotlight. I mean,
for God's sake, press release, he was second. He was
the second assistant coach mentioned on the dress release yesterday,

(01:31:34):
So it's hard for me to believe that he would
take an up front, visible head coaching role where you
have to you know, be open to the media and speak,
you know, every single day. Um, I'm surprised he's taking
assistant coach because you know, he asked to dress up

(01:31:55):
a West suit huh for every game and travel to
every game. So I am surprised that they can never
It's hard for me to see Tim Ductor taking the
head coaching spot. I think, I think that the stage
is getting set for unprecedented uh promotion in Becky Hammonds.
When when it when it's all the time for that. Yeah,
I mean there's been such an exodus from some of

(01:32:16):
the other assistance, some surprisingly so that they're clearly clearing
a path. R J. Buford getting kicked upstairs is interesting too.
Did you see that coming? Yeah? Well, my guy, my
guy Jabor Young for the athletics. You reported that a
couple of days ago. Um, believe was last week that
this move was was happening, And it seem like they're

(01:32:38):
going in a different maugine and they're going a different way,
and uh, you have to think, like would that Funt
would would it be. I wouldn't call it the funt
office stick up, but will there be some movement in
the front office. Had not happened? Had not Kauai? Had
not the situation went down the way it did, And

(01:32:58):
so you have to wonder, and you know, this just
Arsie's time to take on a different ventures of time
to get somebody new blood to get in there. Uh,
I don't know, but you know, uh, Brian, he's a great,
bright guy. He's definitely worthy of this opportunity. And uh,
you know, we'll see how to resume moves forward with
the way things are setting up in that office right now.

(01:33:20):
One of the stories out about Kauai Leonard is that
what ultimately turned he and his uncle Dennis off about
the Lakers was that Magic leaked the information about Magic's
meeting with Kauai and uncle Dennis too. Ramona Shelburne, Um,
I just I'm left with this thought that Magic just
can't help himself. He has to he has to be

(01:33:43):
in the spotlight, he has to have attention, and in
an effort to save face and be a part of
the process, he might have ruined the process. Is that
too harsh way to look at? How magic, Johnson ultimately
exits the story. Yeah, I think that's a little bit
too hard. Look, look, was it was it ideal? No,
obviously not. But I can't say that that was one

(01:34:06):
of the reasons. I you know, I couldn't collaborate that
that that was the reason why the Lakers were eliminated. Um,
you know, I I couldn't believe. I really couldn't believe that.
But definitely when you look into how um Kauai set
up the free agency, Um, you know with these teams,
you know, each team they knew going in that trust
was a big issue with him, and you know they

(01:34:28):
didn't They did not want to play by play scenario
of how free agency meetings went or what happened. They
didn't want that occurring throughout. And so definitely know that
that was something that uh they Kauai and would have
would have rather stayed in the house. But no, I
can't I can't go as far and say that's why,
um you know, he he didn't consider the Lakers. That

(01:34:50):
that's why. I don't think that's true at all. Okay,
So did the Lakers and Raptors get true consideration or
was this just to play all along to to at
the Clippers to motive, motivated to get that second start. Well,
I'll say this. I'll say this, Um, when you're looking
at Kauaili and his the teams he's been on the

(01:35:11):
NBA and in the NBA, you know he's been shielded.
You know, San Antonio, you didn't hear much from him
at all. You know, he would hardly speak. The Spurs,
you know, pr staff, they they tend to hide their
players and thought they're not the most accessible franchise. And
then you go to Toronto where he was opening out
out and spoken a little bit more because he had

(01:35:31):
to be, because he was, without a doubt, the face
and leader of that team. So he spoke a little bit.
But still, you know, Toronto still shielding him somewhat with
the you know, with local management and all those things.
And so when you look at going to the Lakers,
aside from the fact that you know he just didn't
want to, you know, build a super team, you know,

(01:35:53):
a lot goes around. There's a lot of drama that
goes around the Lakers, and then there's a lot that
goes around, you know, just playing with the Lebron team.
You know, he Lebron demand so much, and there's just
so many media stories that's driven by Lebron when he
says he's every move. You know, I don't think, wha

(01:36:14):
I wanted to be around around all that. You know,
that's just something he's not accustomed to. So, you know,
good the opportunity to go back, you know, go to
the Los Angeles Clippers, be home, and they was able
to steal Paul George at the same time. And so
for him, I think he believes it was a win
win for this situation. Do you um, do you think
and trigger dollar ends up ultimately with the Lakers. I

(01:36:38):
don't know. I don't know in that regard, there's a
there's a you know, Houston has interest, uh the Lakers,
of course. You know, I wouldn't be surprised if you Clippers,
you know, trying to find a way to get in
that mix. It's tough, it's tough to say. Right now,
Messis wants something in return, and so they're they're they're
holding on strong, They're they're trying to get a trade

(01:36:58):
going on. So, uh, it was all situation is a
little bit more than right now. Chris Haynes Chris Haynes
joining us in the Doug Otlips Show on Fox Sports Radio. Uh,
senior NBA insider. Okay, what about the league? You know,
like you know these out any of these front office
and owners operate like they look around, they see the

(01:37:20):
mass player accadents. They see guys like Paul George a
couple of years left on his deal, Anthony Davis had
a couple of years left in his deal. When he
said he wanted out. There couldn't possibly be happy about it.
No one's saying you're not gonna you're gonna cut all
player empowerment. But how will they slow the tide of guys,
you know, joining up and going to the coast, and

(01:37:41):
and and and leaving kind of the Midwest behind. I mean,
the supermass was was supposed to solve that problem. You
know that that was supposed to be what would keep
the Anthony Davis, the choir lewards to stay you know,
stay at their home teams. And that still wasn't enough. Um.
You know, I think at the end of the day

(01:38:02):
that you look at like this, when when these these
franchises and even small market franchises, when they draft the player,
and and they draft a star player who ends up
being a top five, top ten player in this league.
You know you got that player for almost a decade,
seven eight years. You know you you got them around
that time, Uh, without them being able to hit I

(01:38:27):
receipt the free agency. You got them wrapped up. So
you have all that time. Two. You know, show them
why this this is a stand up organization. Show them
that you want to do whatever it takes to to
bring on the championship roster, that the structure, everything is organized.
You have all that time. And so if a player
still wants to leave, even though he's leaving sixty million

(01:38:48):
a hundred million on the table, there's there's really nothing
you can do. And I don't I don't know the answer.
I really don't know the answer as to what can
be what can be done to slow up the situation,
because like I said that these teams they have on
for seven eight years. So if you can't convince the
player that this is the white opportunity to white situation
for you in that time, hey man, you know, there's

(01:39:11):
not much more you can do. Now, I'm with you.
I mean, it is hard. You're right about the super
Max and I it's interesting that the overall contracts have
reached a point where these guys are smart. They make
so much money that they're like, yeah, I can sign
a short term deal, I still make it in thirty
million dollars for a year or whatever. I can you know,

(01:39:33):
one plus one and I can get out. I can
survive that. There have been some guys that haven't gotten
that ultimate big payday, but to this point, the superstars
have found a way to continue to get the new contracts.
Chris Haines, It's Yahoo Sports. Who's coming up? In the
post up with Chris Haines's podcast, I wish I could
tell you right now. I'm working on a couple of days,
so hopefully next time I'll come on and I'll be

(01:39:53):
able to share a little bit more. I I tease
this thing and I'm excited about it, and you never
give me nothing. I can't. I can't police keep that
you do. Chris, great stuff, man, Thanks so much for
joining us. Be sure to catch live editions of The
Doug dot Leap Show weekdays at noon eastern three pm
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app.

(01:40:17):
You know I I would say this. Um Demarto Rosens,
the guy who signed a long term deal and then
was traded. Blake Griffin was traded. Anthony Davis of course
requests the trade and was traded. Paul George did as well.
You want to know what NBA teams can do if
they want to stop this from happening music, Do you
know what I'm gonna suggest? I do not not trade

(01:40:39):
the Just because you requested trade does not mean the
request has to be granted. You know, Um, you don't
have to. You can go like, hey, I hear you No,
Paul George, I hear you know. Now, Look, I don't
know if the thunder would have made the trade of

(01:40:59):
not for the the Clippers moved so many pieces to
get them. But I also think that when the when
the Thunder moved, I thought they probably thought it would
have been easier to move Russell Westbrook than it was.
There's lots of ways to handle wanting a new contract.
And I've told people before like this idea of with

(01:41:24):
you know, grandstanding and not showing up or doing what
a Zeke Elliott's doing, which is telling everybody you might
show up or you might not show up. You're contemplating it,
but you're leaking it through sources. Bobby Wagner is probably
gonna get the biggest deal in the history of the
support for linebackers. He's expected to show up to training
camp tomorrow because of the kind of leader he is

(01:41:44):
and wanted to be their first teammates. He may not
put himself in harm's way until the deal gets done.
It will be cautious, but I'll be out there. That's
all you have to do. It's a show of good faith, right,
a show of good faith. People are reasonable, teams are
a reason. We we want to work this thing out,
all right. Well, it doesn't get worked out like Melvin Gordon.

(01:42:06):
They want to the charges. You want to get you
new contract. You want thirteen million there somewhere in the
nine to ten million range. That's a three million dollar
gap per year for two years. That's six million dollars
off over two years. In the meantime, show up and
just say, hey, you know what, I'm not gonna do
any live stuff. I'm just gonna be around the team
and be in the meetings. You can do that, no

(01:42:30):
reason you can. But when you grand stand and you
make people look bad and you try and hurt the
PR I mean, if you try and hurt the PR
of a place. People can react to that all kinds
of different ways, and not always possibly, not always possibly.
So I look at Bobby Wagner and I just think

(01:42:52):
that's the way you do it. I'll grant you if
you want to tell me that they're closer to getting
a deal than some of these other deals, that's fine. Yeah,
But um what what is the Mary Poppin The Mary
Poppins expression, A spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down? Yeah,
that's it, um right, Levian Bell. I mean, now, he

(01:43:21):
held out, and he stayed out, and he stayed away,
and he didn't show good faith, and we see what happened.
That was the ultimate hold out. And I know Levian
posts some on Instagram about two sixty how much he
weighed or whatever, and he looks like he's in phenomenal shape.

(01:43:42):
He lost fortune a half million dollars that he will
never get back. So in the NFL, I've told you before,
the house always win. They always have leverage over you.
I mean, look, Alan Herns, they want to take a
pay cut, he gets cut. Now, there's a pretty good
chance that Alan Herns could make what he would have
with the Cowboys and pick his own spot, or maybe

(01:44:02):
makes more going to a different place, or what he
probably should do is sit here and wait and wait
for somebody else's starting wide receiver to get hurt, and
then he could be in shape and ready to go,
and then maybe he'll get more money than he normally
would on the market. But it's a risk. It's a risk.

(01:44:24):
I just I always feel like showing good faith is
usually well received because at the end of the day,
these are, in fact human beings. And if everyone knows
that you want a new contract, well, those people in
the front office know it, and what they don't need
you doing is pointing it out to the media and
two fans and dividing the fan base and making the

(01:44:46):
the ownership group look cheap even if they are. Just
because they're cheap, doesn't mean you point out they're cheap.
And by the way, they're not going to be cheap.
They're gonna spend millions and millions of dollars on you. Eventually,
it's just a question of how much you want versus
how much you can get. And in this case, good
for Bobo Wagner. He's gonna get close to what he wants.

(01:45:11):
And maybe the reason he's gonna get close to what
he wants. It is because he shows up when he
doesn't have to. James Harden and Kawhi Leonard were almost teammates.
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at this time, we'd like to get you got up

(01:45:31):
on all the stories today. We do so by getting
to the press, the press, damn by what he got.
We're gonna start out with some sad news. Year old
Russian boxer Maxim Dadashia have died after suffering brain and
injuries in a fight last Friday, lost by t k
O in the eleventh round of Friday's about was immediately

(01:45:53):
hospitalized afterwards, underwent brain surgery but never recovered. It was
also word that Dadashia was trying to get his green card,
trying to to fight and win enough money to bring
his family over from Russia. Didn't make it through the weekend.
Maxim dash Off dead at the age of so sad,

(01:46:13):
So sad. You've never lost the fight until Friday. No,
but it's it's you know, they I read what they
thought was going on there. He just had a brain
bleed and um, you know, who knows how healthy he
was before he got in the ring. And sometimes it's

(01:46:35):
just one can be one shot, or obviously the repeated
blows or too many fights close together. Just terrible, terrible news.
And you know, we celebrate the gladiatorial status, uh you
know of these guys, the way in which they are
absolute warriors, and this is the harm they put put

(01:46:56):
in their way, in their way. You touched on this
with As Haynes, but those who may have missed it.
Publicans forward Zion Williamson announced he signed an endorsement deal
with Jordan Brand, and the Action Network says that Zion
actually turned down offers that were worth more money because
he wanted to wear the Michael Jordan's logo. You know,
those retro shoes are incredibly popular and Jordan Brand makes

(01:47:19):
a ton of money. Chris Paul obviously a Jordan Brand guy.
Blake Griffin a Jordan Brand guy. I also think that
it's not just Jordan, it's you know, Blake Griffin obviously
I think has an effect on him. But he also,
you know, a kid who grows up in the Carolinas,
and you've got Michael Jordan's and they all know Michael
Jordan from YouTube, they absolutely do. But this is a big,
big win for Nike. Big win for Nike. Um it's

(01:47:43):
not technically the same company, but we all know it
to be the same company. And considering the shoe ripped
off his foot and they kept the player, that that's
a big get for them. A report from the Athletics
say is the Clippers did check in with the Rockets
to see if James Harden would be available in a
trade as part of a plan to teamail with Kawhi Leonard.
This was done prior to the Paul George deal. Report

(01:48:05):
also says the Clips as the Wizards about Bradley Beale.
Now the team were interested in trading their superstar. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I mean you got a that's when you gotta ask, uh.
And it was the idea of bringing James Harden home, right,
the same idea bringing Kawai Leonard home. But do you
think Kwi Leonard would have want to play with James Harden. Yeah,

(01:48:26):
I'm not too sure. Maybe maybe he was on the
short list. Maybe that's the part that wasn't reported enough.
Damian Lillard and de Marta Rosen I have withdrawn from
Team USA's basketball camp, won't play in the Feeble World Cup,
and nobody's who's on that teams. Marcus Smart and Jalen
Brown were at it yesterday. So you could have, you
could have. You can have the Boston Celtics take on

(01:48:49):
the rest of the world. Chris Middleton's gonna play. So yeah,
I mean, I think it's a great operation. I don't understand.
I don't understand a lot of these guys pulling out.
You know, it's always interesting. They're like, well, I don't
want to travel overseas. Well, you went overseas for your
shoe company. Well, you know, I want to lock out.

(01:49:13):
I need some time off. Did your posting workout videos
all the time? Like, I think it's a it's a
great brand. All these guys want to grow their brand.
This is an opportunity if they want a chance to
play in the Olympics, Olympic team and raise their profile
play on this team. I think it's a massive mistake
some of these guys are making jumping over to college basketball.

(01:49:34):
The n C double A gave to Paul men's basketball
coach Dave later with three games suspension and placed the
program on three years probation for recruiting violations. Then double
A found that an associate head coach arranged for an
assistant director of basketball ops to live with a prospect
to make sure that player remained eligible. Was that was
that wrong? Should I not have done that? I thought

(01:49:56):
the thing sounds terribly creepy and completely the unethical um.
And apparently a couple of the assistant coaches knew about
it and said nothing about it. The crazy thing about
it is the Paul still stinks. The penalty should have
been you have to coach those three games, like, you know, honestly,

(01:50:19):
this is this is this is this is the most
Lado took over a program. It was bad and and
the best part of that team going back to last
year was a D three transfer they got because his
his mom went there. Like that's the craziest part of

(01:50:39):
That's the craziest part about de Paul is they were actually,
you know, pretty good last year and and the best
player was a guy they didn't really have to fight
a lot a lot of people for I mean, it's
just it's crazy that they had a um. They had
a kidding Max Max s Trusse who averaged twenty a

(01:51:02):
game and he transferred up from Division two basketball. So
they also have a guy named Jalen Butts. I like
that Jalen Butts is and he's tall. So if if
I do their game next year, I'll say I like
big Butts and I cannot lie. Oh that would be great.
Uh now we just have to watch the Paul basketball
to see it. Uh. By the way, I think you

(01:51:24):
and I are in that last generation where the Paul
basketball was actually good, right, it's it's well they had that.
They had the like two thousand one with um, let's
stay Quentin Richardson. They had but yes, we we were
back eighties nineties, um time Klin Yes, yes, yeah, he

(01:51:46):
had the sleeveless T shirt underneath that cut the sleeves off.
The Dodgers announced today that Dodger Stadium will undergo one
hundred million dollar renovation this soft season. Team also says
they'll extend the protective netting down to the funnel poles
in August, and there's a Sandy Kofax statue that will
be placed outside Dodger Stadium. M m um, what took

(01:52:08):
him so long? On Sandy Kofax, although I'm not really sure.
I don't know. Yeah, like jews and statues, we don't
have that. That doesn't actually mix that. She cleared that
one with Sandy. That's all you done. That's all you
You don't really believe in, you know, you don't bow
to statues or ever. That's a that's a weird one. Um.

(01:52:29):
I like continuing to keep Dodger Stadium new and fresh.
I just don't like. I don't like connecting the pavilion,
which is the outfield bleachers, to the rest of the stadium.
It was something unique about the stadium and frankly, it
kept the bleacher creatures away. Finally, dug former picture Dwight
Gooden arrested on d u Y chargers for the second

(01:52:50):
straight month in New Jersey. He was stopped yesterday for
going the wrong way on a one way street in
New work good and also facing drug charges from last
month's arrest. Wow, well the wrong way is uh, that's
that's awful, you know. I mean, listen, Darryl Strawberry try
to tell people and nobody would listen to him. And

(01:53:12):
it's unfortunate. The doc is an attic and hasn't been
able to kick kick his his habits. I'm not making
any joke about the situation that he's in, but I
will say there has been a time once where I
accidentally turned down the wrong way. You know, have a
one way street. So my my dad did that too.
He just wasn't intoxicated. Order did he have several d uys.

(01:53:35):
It happens to the best of us. I said this
to Music and he had an interesting try. I said, Ryan,
the Angels aren't terrible. They're fifty two and forty nine
and Mike Trout has thirty one home runs on the year. Obviously,

(01:53:55):
they go into Schevez Ravine with Felix Pain You who
you want to talk but a guy whose numbers don't
equal out Hiss win loss seven and three, but a
e r A of about five and going against Kent
and Mada. But they're not terrible. They're not terrible. That's
the best thing I can say. And they got they
got a home set against the Orioles and the Tigers

(01:54:17):
after two against the Dodgers, so it chance chance to
gain some ground the a O West Mike Trot thirty
one home runs, the best in the sport, plays in
a team that is well, not terrible. We'll try not
be terrible tomorrow. Talk to training camps, holdouts, and probably
somebody pulling out of the Basketball World Cup. Stull gotlip show.

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