Jerry Jones has been pushed too far

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But we're getting closer and closer and closer to the
NFL season and the Dallas Cowboys yesterday just about this time,
finally announced as signing an extension, exactly what we had
waited for. Jalen Smith, star linebacker Notre Dame tours a
c L had nerve damage, had dropped foot has come

(01:49):
back to be a pro bowler and started the last
twenty two consecutive games. Here's Jerry Jones after Jalen Smith
got the contract. Attention and what it means for dak
Zeke and Mary Cooper. There is less pie left, make
no bones about it. There is less pie. There's less pie.

(02:11):
Less pie doesn't mean no pie, just less pie. You
almost feel like Jerry Jones walked in and said, like,
find me somebody to give money to so I can rattle. Rather,
it's it's almost like when you get bad news, the
boss would take get me somebody to fire. It's the

(02:31):
opposite for Jerry Jones. But I I do think that
at some point, especially Ezeki Elliott, especially Azie Elliott, you
push Jerry Jones to the point now where he's like,
all right, look before it was fun, before you wanted
a big contract, you wanted my support. Whatever. But the

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big story that the story of yesterday was that Jerry Jones,
you know this weekend, had joked Zeke, who yesterday came
out that his agent and possibly Zeke were I felt
disrespected by Jerry Jones, saying Zeke who kind of jokingly.

(03:14):
Here was Jerry Jones addressing that I've earned the ride
with Zeke to joke period. I've earned it. So have
you got any conversations since then at all? No, let
me be real clear about it. I've earned that right
to joke it. It feels like it was really fun,

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like the Cowboys are were are enjoying preseason. No, they
got a good team, and then all of a sudden,
somebody took something sensitive and now everybody's everybody's got everybody's
got their their uh, their ears uh kind of perked
up right, like, hey, Jerry was even having a good
time about it. Now all of a a sudden, you're getting

(03:57):
sensitive over Zeke? Who will hold on? Do you not
remember when I went to the mattresses for you against
Roger Goodell? We did we that that did happen in
my lifetime. I almost feel like Jerry Jones at some
point is gonna saying like, hey, I'm old, but I
am not see now. That did happen, correct, It did

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happen that every time anybody said anything about you, we
have come out and been vociferous in our defense of
you as a human and as a football player. It
did happen, right, like, look, and this is who, this is,
who Zeke is. He wasn't wrong when he was at
Ohio State and they lost to Michigan State and he

(04:41):
didn't get the football enough. But he was just a
college kid calling out his offensive coordinator for not getting
the football enough, like you just don't do that, Like
what are you doing, dude? We don't, we don't. That's
not how we roll at this level, not how we roll.
So when when you when you hear that somebody's disrespected

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by what everyone knows to be a joke, and everyone
knows it to be a joke, and you act like somehow,
now I'm the bad guy, and I said, I'm like, no, dude,
I have earned the right. Yet that was this is
when laughing, joking, jolly, Jerry Jones just all of a
sudden flipped the switch and you got the other side

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of Jerry Jones. I want you to listen to this
one more time. It's not that he says I have
earned the right. Listen to what he says before he says,
I have earned the right. I've earned the right. Was
a joke, period, I've earned it. So have you got

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any conversations since then at all? No, let me be
real clear about it. I've earned that right to Jones.
Let me be real clear about that. I know he
said it twice before. Whatever in period like this was
he want this is like, hey, the other stuff whatever,
I have earned that right. This is like, um, and

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this is a weird thing. Um, Ryan, you you grew
up in in Torrance, California, which I'm guessing and I
still think now it's a little bit of a throwback town, right,
and there's certain areas did you grow up in a
neighborhood where kids rode their bike. Yeah, for the most part.
You you pop into somebody's house. Your best friend growing

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up was who probably Tyler. What's Tyler's last name? Tyler Odom.
When you would when you would see Tyler Odom's parents,
what did you call them? Well, eventually I ended up
calling them Donnie Indiana. But but initially Mr and Mrs

(06:51):
Odom correct, Like this is a big thing now in parenting, Okay,
I don't know like I was. I was brought up
like my parents, like you call them Mr and Mrs
and whatever their last name is, you know, and um,
you know, in the South they do this thing and
it's weird. I think it's weird. I know it's in
the side. If you listen to us in the South,

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you're like, well, hold on now. In the South, it's
more respectful to say, like my wife's Angie, Miss Angie,
you know, or Mr Doug, which I don't I don't
really like. I think sounds terrible, but that that is
how people are addressed Mr. Doug. How Mr Doug right,
Like that's somehow seen as as a term of respect.

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The point, though, is you put the Mr. The mrs
before it, and it does. You've earned the right to beat.
Now you can give away that right. But the first
time you meet somebody's parents, you should introduce yourself Hi,
like my son. Hay's like, Hi, my name, I'm Hayes,
Nice to meet you, Mr whatever, Mr. Music. That's how

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they're supposed to That's how our children are supposed to
dress people. And it doesn't mean that the that the
parent or the adult can't say hey, no, no, no,
call me Ryan, it's fine, or about it um. It's
that they have earned that right. And that's what it
felt like from Jerry Jones. It felt like all of
a sudden, Zeke and Zeke's agent were calling him jaire

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or Jarah right or j J Hey. J J felt
like that was respectful, and He's like, hold on, okay,
I bought this team. I fired the greatest coach in
the history of the sport by most people's by many
people's estimation, okay, and I hired Jimmy Johnson. We won
three Super Bowls. I've made this into a five billion

(08:41):
dollar uh Evaled company. We have the greatest practice sity
in history of the sport. We get the greatest stadium
in the history of sport, we have done a great
job in player development, player evaluation. Case in point are
starting quarterbacks fourth round pick. The linebacker we just just
res mind was a second round pick. Other people wouldn't

(09:02):
touch Hi because the knee injury. We did. When people
said he shouldn't draft a running back forth in the draft,
we did why because we do a great job player
player evaluation. How do you think we got all these
offensive linemen. I took the Dallas Cowboys from a mom
and pop used to be good in the nineties seventies.
Everybody said they're America's team. Only the Tom Landry just

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they just hadn't evolved. They did everything from a spreadsheet
to the to the most powerful sports franchise on on
the face of this earth, or at least in the
United States. I've earned the right to be called Mr. Jones.
I've earned the right to joke a little bit. And
oh yeah, by the way, along the way, I have
supported player after player after player, you know, Michael Irvan

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and Dion Sanders and like you name it, you mean,
we can go through it, and the the guy they
can all count on to be in their corner when
they need him most, right, because that's what real real
friends are there. Every everybody's there when things are good
and everybody's they are you know, Kevin Hart's to trying
to get up there on stage when the Eagles win
a championship. Where was Kevin Hart when the Eagles sucked?

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And everybody loves a winner. Jerry's been there for people,
and he's been there, especially for Zeke. It felt like
yesterday he put it down. Call me, Mr Jones. I
have earned that right, especially in the case of Zeke Elliott,
a guy who's a magnificent talent, but a guy who's

(10:30):
had his issues off the field, and Jerry Jones went
to the mattresses for him, went at the commissioner, tried
to get the commissioner fired, and he did so because
Zeke's guy. And so now, don't start getting sensitive. Now
our relationship is way past Zeke who and being sensitive.

(10:52):
Don't have some filter message come out from your age
and either it was all everybody, this is like yo, mama,
Joe right, somebody everybody starts joking back and forth about
your mama, this your mama, that your mama, this your mama,
that hey, my mom has got cancer. Whoa, we got
really really uncomfortable in here. Plus, if you have a

(11:13):
problem with it, just call me, send a text, get
up on a plane on a cobo, or you don't,
you're gonna leak it to the media through your agent.
It just sounds that's not that's not what we do here.
Let's use the day to celebrate Jalen Smith in this
amazing comeback. So that's what it felt like to me.
Coming up next, former Cowboys quarterback Brandon Weeden joins the show.

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What is it like to play for Jerry's team? How
can this offense evolve? Um? And how does he think
it ultimately plays out? We'll ask him next. Be sure
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(11:58):
Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio Whip Doug Olive
Show here on Fox Sports Radio. He's, uh, I think
one of the great comebacks to well, I don't know
comeback stories, but one of the great stories in the
history of the sport, right in the history of of
of football. Um. He's Brandon Weeden and he's I think

(12:18):
we're officially retired his quarterback. Course, Remember he was a.
He was a uh, you know, drafted into Major League Baseball,
played in the Yankees organization, then went back to college,
was the twenty second pick of the first round for
the Cleveland Browns. Uh filled in for Tony Romo, then
Uh played for the Texans, the Titans, back to the

(12:39):
Texans last year, and he joins us on the Doug
Gotlie Show on Fox Sports Radio. Are we like, if
the phone rings tomorrow, do you pick it up and
go like, yeah, come through the football round? Man, it
has to be really good. That's been really good. You know,
I'm pretty contented, and I mean, um, am, I gonna
miss the game absolutely, but um, you know, it had

(13:00):
to be a pretty sweet offer. I'm enjoying some time
around the fan, so playing in my ear, but you know,
I would say, sure, I'm done. Okay, I want to
do like a long form pod on this. But for
people who don't remember, um, you were like you play
baseball and you basically didn't you kind of walk into
my Gundey's office and like, yeah, I'd like to play football,

(13:21):
Like how did how did it actually happen? Yeah, it's
kind of a long story, but basically, you know, a
long story short. I came home. I was home for
a couple of days, and Robert Allen, which covers Oklahoma
State here in in Oklahoma City, and and uh, I
knew I was done. So he reached out to coach
Gundhy And basically that week I went up and met
with Larry for Fedora. He was the offensive coordinator at

(13:44):
the time. And that was probably and I would say
early to mid and May somewhere in there, and I was,
I was enrolled and I started. I think it was
June seventh that summer, So, I mean, it all happened
pretty quick. And my girlfriend at the time, wife, now,
I thought she was gonna kill me, but uh, you know,
fortunately unfortunately and all panned out. Yeah, And then you
played you read shirt of one year. You played one

(14:06):
game against Missouri State, wasn't it? There was? There was
the game you played was the Colorado game? Right? It
was like, how didn't did did both get the both
the quarterback Zach Robinson who went on to play in
the NFL, he got hurt and I think but only
thinks he was hurt coming in the game and Alex
Kate started the game. Remind me of how you actually
got to play against See You. Yeah. So the week

(14:26):
prior to See You, uh za got Dame you got
a concussion and I think you heard her shoulder if
I remember right. And then so Alex started, I was
in third string quarterback, which I can say it now
I definitely disagreed with and obviously wasn't happy about. And
uh yeah, so Alex started the game with over nine
I think he threw a pick. Uh. So obviously we're
getting beat at halftime, and and they told me that

(14:48):
I'm gonna get the not in the second half. And
and came out the second half and kind of slung around,
played pretty well, and we end up coming back and winning.
And uh to this day, I had to say that
that night probably changed my of life more than any
of the night. I mean, that was kind of when
it all started. And then going to that offseason, I
was a clear starter. Um take transferred and and um

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you know, unfortunately unfortunately we hired Dana Holgerson and the
rest is kind of history. Do you what do you
remember about that night? Like, what what do you do
you remember? Do you remember the throws? You remember the
touchdown passes? Do you remember the celebration? Remember which you
did afterwards, like, how vivid is that memory? That's that's
going back to two thousand nights ten years ago. It's crazy, man,
I honestly I remember more throws from that game than

(15:31):
I do for my junior year. I mean, you know,
just because I was throwing the fire and I was
so dum nervous that you know, I you know, I
didn't even have time to think, you know, I just
went out and kind of reacted. But yeah, I mean
that the throw that I made in the back corner
of the end zone, I was kind of rolling out
to my right, um and hit justin Blackman in the
back corner of the right end zone there in the
west end zone and boom Picking Stadium. And to this,

(15:52):
I mean, I think it's the best throw I've ever made, um,
given the situation and um, you know kind of where
we were that night, but Blackman was an unknown. I
was obviously an unknown, and and uh, that night, I
went home, We came back and Win went down the strip,
went to Murphy's and had some cold pops and I
went home that night, and of course my Facebook blew up,

(16:13):
and you know, I had all the followers where but
I didn't get a wink of sleep man, not even
an ounce and uh just the adrenalin that was pumping
in my body that night. Uh, I don't know that
I've had it since. It's Uh, that was that was
a pretty special night. Gundy has come out and said, hey,
we would have beaten L. S U. Um. Obviously you
never got that shot and you did need a missed
field goal by Stanford in order to beat Stanford. UM, well,

(16:37):
I think that was that an overtimey beat Stanford. I
remember they missed a they missed a makeup of field goal.
Could it could have beat you? Um? I know you
can't play games ten years ago, but did you guys
actually have have enough athletes to compete with L. S U. Offensively?
I think we did. I mean, I know they had
some some dudes on that defense that went on and

(16:58):
played in the NFL, and we're willing are still good players.
I just I just think our style of play, the
guys we had on offense, I mean, I just don't
know that there's many teams in the country that you know,
we're gonna stop us. Now. You know, obviously the elis
Who's defense again was it was great? Their offense, you know,
kind of warm smash the mouth downhill, you know, running

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type of tag him over pro style offense. So I'm
sure they would have done like a lot of teams
tried to do, and you know, take the air out
of the ball and keep us off the field. But
I mean I would have loved to have the shot.
I mean, I think I've been in the country to
again that you know, game of run. I think that
would have been I think we would give them the
best run for their for our money. They you know,
that was a that was a good team we had
in eleven. I mean, that was a special squad and

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you know we had one little hiccup unfortunately late in
the year that kind of kind of screwed everything up. Yeah,
the I the IOST game, which is just a crazy
uh crazy number searcha saying brand and we'd enjoining us
in the Dug Out Lip Show on Fox Sports Radio. Um,
I think people the thing people remember most about your
time in Cleveland was the flag thing. Yeah, so do

(18:00):
I that was man? What did that was a bad
start to a horrible day, man, because that was your game,
first start, first start out of the box and we're
playing uh Philly, you know, which I'm already you know,
got the nerves going, the whole deal. But man, I
played catch on that same yard line every game I've
ever played, and uh, you know, of course in college

(18:23):
you don't have the field size flags. But yeah, I
didn't get a heads up, I didn't get a nothing.
They just started running at me. And so next thing,
you know, I got, you know, this hundred yard American
flag coming over the top of my head. And it
was all I could think about when I was stuck
under there. Man was God, I hope they didn't catch
us on video, which I'm you know, this day and age,
everything is on video. But yeah, I was. I pretty

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much know I screwed. I mean, I went out through
three picks that I didn't play great, and we uh
we still had a chance to win. We lost. I
think we lost by I can't remember it was two. Yeah,
it was. That was a rough one. That was a
rough one. That was you know, I'm from a very
patriotic guy to begin with. I love I love a
fortune's live. So every every time about that time of

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the year, I get a lot of a lot of
comments on on social media about that. I can laugh
about it now, Man, it's all good. What was Pat
Sherman like. We're seeing Pat Shermer. He has a he
has a young quarterback in Daniel Jones that he doesn't
want to throw into the fire. What was Pat Shurmer
like for you? You know? Pat was great. You know,
he was the first time head coach, and I think

(19:27):
the way he's hit on that Daniel Jones saying is perfect.
And I tell everybody this. You know, even though it's
a first round pick, that doesn't mean to get to
throw the guy out there and and let him and
let him play right away. I've I've always said, especially
after my experience, as much as I thought I was ready,
there aren't many guys that are ready from day one.
I mean, it's it's such a jump from college football
to the NFL. I mean not not just football wise,

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I mean from a routine standpoint, a preparation standpoint. There's
so much more that goes into getting ready to play
on Sunday. Um, you really don't get a grasp of
until you know, I don't six seven games into the season.
So you know, I tell everybody, if you have the
advantage of you know, I quote unquote red shirting a
quarterback in the NFL, and you gotta take advantage of it.

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And they got Eli. Elis, in my opinion, a future
Hall of Famer. Let him sit behind him for you know,
this season and learn, you know, and and kind of
you know, do getting a routine, figure out how he
studies best, figure out what he does, you know, what
gets them ready to play on Sundays. And you know,
let's say, God forbid Eli does get dinged up. Okay,
then you throw him in there and let him go

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because I think he's a talented guy. Um. You know,
when when I was in Cleveland, we had Colt McCoy.
Colt McCoy is a really good quarterback. So I mean,
as a player, you're yourselfish, you want to play obviously,
but I think I think Pat Shermer is a smart
football coach. He's having things the right way. You know,
he's got the spotlight of the media in New York,
so every movie makes is gonna be on the microscope.

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But um, you know, I think it's a great situation
to have for him. I mean, uh, you got a
Hall of Fame quarterback, and you got one you're very
high on, so you know, I don't know, that he
can make a wrong decision, but he'll hand he'll do
what's best for that football team. Brad children your first year, right,
and then you had um, who do you have your
second year? Oh? You had a North Turner your your

(21:12):
second year? Do you think you would have turned out
differently had you had more consistency. I'm not a any player,
not just me, I think any player you you have
some consistency from top to bottom. You know, players around
the NFL are so much turned over again with but yeah,
I mean if you if you're in the same system
for a length of you know time, it's just gonna

(21:35):
give you more advantages to go out and play without
thinking as much. And you know you're able to prepare
for the opponent so much more versus having to really prepare,
you know, within your own playbook, you know. And that
seems like a little thing. But offenses in the NFL
are so there's so detailed. There's so much that goes
on just to get the ball snap, you know is
a bunch. And so yes, I mean and long the

(21:57):
longst re short. Yes, I think you know you want
that to say consistency, but you know that wasn't the
case you know, I love both those guys. Um North
Turners you know, obviously had a ton of success in
the NFL. I love the system he runs. I don't
get fit me better than what we did my rookie year. Um,
you know, we just had you know a bunch of issues.
You know, I think you know, Josh Gordon was kind

(22:17):
of in and out of it. You know, Brian played
a lot of that year. I was following how many
starts to seven or eight starts I got that year?
But um, you know, it was just a it was
a it was a tough, tough deal there in Cleveland.
You know, we just um couldn't couldn't quite figure it out.
And I'm glad to see they finally made the moves
and do a lot of right things to get that
thing turned around. They're they're definitely head in the right direction.

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All right. Then you go to Dallas, right and your
your your Tony's back up. And this was the year
that Tony had the collar bone at the collar bone issue. First,
organization wise, you go from Cleveland to Dallas, what's the
what's the difference? Like I mean oranges and apples, I mean,
you know everything that you know, Mr Jones does in

(23:01):
Dallas is first class. You know. I hate to use
word glitz and glamour, but I mean they were all
out the red carpet. I mean they they don't cut
any corners. I mean, he does things the right way.
He takes care of his players. I mean, that's that's obvious. Um.
You know, in Cleveland it was a little blue collar. Obviously,
when when you're winning games, it's all good, you know.
And in Dallas we were winning Cleveland we weren't, so
you know, it starts there. But um, you know, from

(23:23):
an organizational standpoint, I mean, you know, Dallas there was
a lot more um you know, there wasn't quite as
much turnover with the staff, There wasn't quite as much
turn over with the roster. There was a lot more continuity. So, um,
you know, I gotta taste of what the NFL is
really like. I can't imagine there's many teams in the
NFL that you know, kind of have what it what
it they have in Dallas. And people ask me all

(23:46):
the time. I get this question all the time, is
you know, what was the light playing in Dallas? And
I said, it's just different. When you wear the star,
it just is when when you go on the road,
when you're playing at home and you go out in public,
it's just different. And uh, it was that. My My
experience in Dalla was was phenomenal. I loved every minute
of it. Um didn't really think I got the fairest
of shakes, but you know it is what is. You

(24:06):
gotta win games and and uh, you know, unfortunately didn't
didn't go as as playing well, well if the fairest
of shakes, like like look in fairness and I obviously
you and I being friends, Brandon Weeden joined us in
the Doug out Leave Show on Fox Sports Radio. When
you got when you got a chance, they didn't really
give you a chance, right, they just I mean it's
very very like painfully conservative in the in the play calling.

(24:29):
What was what was that like? Yeah, it was challenging.
I mean you look at the three teams we played.
You know, we started off with Atlanta, which had a
really good defense that year obviously went on playing Super
Bowl and you know it was against that defense that
you know, that was a scheme that you know, we're
gonna take advantage to those intermediate top throws, those five
the senior type throws you know, they were're gonna let

(24:51):
the ball get over their head. They're gonna keep everything
in front, which is fine, Yeah, but they kind of
carried over and and uh was was pretty even Noah,
And you know, I would say, I think looking back
on it, they probably think, Okay, we had Tony Romo.
He's a fourteen year veteran, he's pro Bowl guy. We've
got a backup guy. It's played a little bit. But
you know where I felt the kitchen sync and which
I think is is wrong. First of all, because I
had been the system for that was my second year. Um,

(25:15):
but you know that's just that's kind of h I
guess the one knock of that system in general is,
you know there's not a lot of they don't get
real elaborate. You know, there's not a ton of formations,
not a ton of motions. Um, you're kind of handcuffed
on some of the combinations because it's a digit system.
But it was just very very vanilla. And it wasn't
just when I was playing, and it continued you know
after I you know, they benched me and moved on

(25:36):
and it continued, uh, you know kind of throughout. But
you know, I mean, I my my really, my job
was not screwed up, you know, and I feel like
I I complete a ton of balls. I had some
big plays through the touchdown late in the fourth quarter,
uh to go into overtime against the Saints. But you
look at the teams, like I said earlier, we played,
I mean it was you know, as a man. I

(25:56):
went on played the Super Bowl. It was Sunday night
football against the Ants, which is never easy. And there's
a home against the Green Bay Packers which or I'm
sorry against the uh New England Patriots, which end up
winning the Super Bowl. So it was it wasn't easy task.
I knew it was gonna be tough, but you know
it was. It was. It was conservative, but you know,
I think that was that was kind of in there.

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You know, that was the plane kind of teaching every week.
He's he's so good. You know. I always used to
joke of on him. Man, you you're so damn good.
But if you would just quit thinking so much, you
you know, he's just he's so smart. I mean, Tony
is obviously you're seeing it now with the broadcasting stuff
he's doing. But the guy is so smart. He knows
defenses as well. It's not better than a lot of

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defensive coordinators in the league. And he was. He was
so good, you know, for a guy that he's a
great athlete, but you know, not Cam Newton or a
you know, Patrick Mahomes or something. The guy had some
of the best instincts I've ever seen in the pocket
outside the pocket. He just he kind of had some
stuff you couldn't teach. Um. It was kind of fun
to watch, especially up close and personal. So yeah, he

(26:59):
was Uh, he was really really good. Organization wise, what
was Houston like great? Yeah, it was great. Again. You
know they have you know, had from ming never passed away.
We had an owner that was, you know, very neat.
I love football. I wanted to do with best first players. Um,
you know in Bill O'Brien's kind of the same way.
I mean, he's he's an all ball guy, you know,

(27:20):
very blue collar, wants to work, work, work, work, which
you know he had he had built that team to
where they're kind of all on the same page and
wanted to wanted to work. So I loved every minute
of it. I mean I really did. It was it
was a great experience for him. I run a lot
of really really good players. Um, still great buddies with
most of those guys and still keep in touch with
all those guys. Me and the Sean became extremely close

(27:42):
and have a great uh, have a great relationship. And
you know, so it was from start to finish, you know, sports,
I think I think it kind of helps. I got
off on the right foot, came down there and won
two big games to get us in the playoffs in
two thousand and fifteen. So you know, they kind of
liked me and I kind of liked them from the start.
Obviously made made their thing all all that much better.

(28:03):
Brandon Weeden joined us in the Doug Gotlip Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Um, Dallas is in this weird place. Okay,
they're in this place now where uh that you know,
Jerry's always taking care of his guys, but now his
guys want to be compensated levels, which I don't know
if you can keep all of them. So yesterday he
resigns Jalen Smith, and he was specific to say like, hey,

(28:26):
there's a little less pie here. Uh, And he did
seem to get his got a little burn his saddle
that Zeke Elliott was felt disrespected when he was joking
and said Zeke Zeke, who ultimately, how do you think
it plays out? Well, I mean, in the perfect world,
obviously they find a way to pay all three. Like
you said, it's it's tough with the pace structure in

(28:48):
the NFL. You know, if you want to pay a
quarterback thirty million dollars, it's hard to pay a running
back as well as a receiver, you know, because I
mean to Spade. You know, obviously Dak Prescott needs each Elliott.
They also need a great defense, and you know, so
they sign their their cornerstone, Jalen Smith. You know, so
something something's gonna have to give. You know, I think

(29:09):
some one of those guys gonna take a little less
money if he wants to stay, and if you don't
want to stay, he can go get that same money
somewhere else. But you know, I don't know. I mean,
I think you know, I mean j Jones is gonna
do what he can to make it work if if
at all possible. But I think something's had a given. Unfortunately.
I think it's what's the way the c b A
is right now. I think one of those players is

(29:29):
gonna have to give. And uh, if you're so the
Dallas Cowboys. You want to try to find a way
to keep all three, I just don't know if it's realistic,
you know, if if each guy wants to be paid
top two or three at their position. I just don't
know if there's enough money to go around, and especially
if you want to keep the other pieces in place.
But man, I don't know. I think something's gonna have
to give, you know, I don't know who it's gonna be. Um,

(29:51):
but you know it's uh again, it's another It's a
good problem they have because they've got three elite players
at their positions. But um, you know, but they all
want a lot of money. So um, if I were
a betting man, you know Jerry Jones has done in
the past, I'm sure he'll find a way to to
get it down to keep those three in places. Because
they're they got a bright feature. They're all young players,
and they're gonna they got a chance to play together

(30:12):
for a long time. Yeah. I think so too. Um.
Bill O'Brien is is running kind of running things in Houston,
and now the sudden Jadeveon Clowney's holding out doesn't seem
like O'Brien's bought into Clowney full time of long term,
but they can't really trade him right now either because
of because of how his contract actually works. In the

(30:34):
timing of it is such. Um, what's your sense of Houston?
A team that has they they've been good for a
while and Deshan has been really really good and you
know they want eleven games? How do you think that
team ends up looking this year with no general manager? Yeah,
I mean, I'm a I'm a big believe of yours.

(30:55):
As a head coach in the NFL, you already have
so much on your plate, you know, and and you know,
obviously the O'Brien's cold play for the last couple of years,
and and you know, finally passed out on to Tim Kelly.
But you know, with salary cap and you know, with
the way contracts are structured, you know, that's a lot
for a head coach to handle. So I would assume
that hire somebody, you know, maybe after the season. But
as far as Connie goes, I mean, you you gotta

(31:18):
find a way to bring get him back, make him happy,
because when he plays on Sundays, when he wants to there,
there's not many tackles that can block the guy. I mean,
he's he's obviously in the leade, you know, especially obviously J. J. Watt.
So that defense has been really good for a long time.
I think they got a little a lot of really
good pieces obviously. I think they're getting better in the
back end. Their secondary is getting better. Um, you know, linebacking,

(31:39):
blackbacker corps, you know, not bad. But um you know,
I've said this, and I don't care all thirty two
teams across illegal I mean, you've gotta be able to
protect the quarterback. And when the quarterbacks getting sacked sixty
two times and hit however many times, that's a bad recipe,
you know. And and they've got to do something up
front to find five guys to keep the Shawn bright

(32:00):
or else it's gonna be a it's gonna be a struggle.
So you know, they've got a good, good core running
backs obviously once Will Fuller is fully healthy and ready
to go, and and DeAndre Hopkins. That's two really good
you know, one and two receivers there. So there's there's
a lot of really good pieces in place, um, you know,
but you're gonna take it a step further. You look
at that division. It's also extremely tough. Uh. You know,

(32:20):
Indies just keeps getting better. Jacksonville defenses is still elite. Um.
With yourdition, Nick Foles are gonna better on offense in
my opinion, So you know, I think I think that
they can find a way to keep keep the Sean
comfortable and healthy and and upright. You know, he can
take those you can take that football team a long ways. Um,
but that's gonna be easier said than done in my opinion. Brandon,

(32:41):
great stuff, man, awesome. I love to have you on
during the season. Things you're seeing, uh, things, things that
you know because you played in the league. In the meantime,
enjoy your family, enjoy a second retire Who can say,
not only did you make it in two sports and
drafting two sports, but you retire from two sports. I know, man,
and older. I don't know what. I don't know if
that's a good thing or a bad thing. You've always

(33:04):
been old, so that's not really that's not really an issue.
Thanks doubt, Thanks so much. Man. All right, brandonweed and
joining us on the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox
Sports Radio. Give me your thoughts at Gottlieb Show. Feel
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(33:27):
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(33:50):
do this thing. You've got real news or fake news?
Doug will start things off first. The National Football League
Real news are fake news. Running back for the l HR,
there is Melvin Gordon's expected to continue holding out into
the season because contract negotiations with the Bolts have not progressed. Doug,
real or fake, They're They're spectacular damn straight at this point,

(34:14):
cord to Ian Rappaport Chargers running back Melvin Gorn's holdout
is expected to continue into the season. Sources say contract
talks have not progressed as he hoped, and he'll continue
to train in Florida for the foreseeable future. Big shot
to them. Um, look, the Chargers drew their line in
the sand and they said, look, here's a contract extension

(34:37):
to ten million dollars and kind of similar to the
Zeki Elli thing. He said. He felt disrespected, right, So, um,
I just like they have. They have the same problem.
They're gonna have to pay Joey Bosa next year. They
pay Melvin Ingram last year. You know they I just
I think the Chargers, it's like, it is what it is, dude.

(34:58):
If you want to collect your money, come get it.
I do think in the short term they can make
it work without him. I think Melvin Gordon shows up
before week one of the season. I do, I do.
I you know it's been my report is my sources gas.
My sources say that, uh, it's been all quiet from
the chart from the Melvin Gordon camp. They've called and said, hey,

(35:21):
the offer still stands, and there's been no response. So
at some point they understand the charges are not bluffing.
I'm telling you on two stories now, the Melvin Gordon one,
of course, the organ Ducks in a week one for them,
So we'll stick with that. National Football League news. We
continue on when discussing the quarterback depth chart in Miami Dolphins,
said coach Brian Flores says Josh Rosen has been impressive

(35:43):
so far and as actually ready to take the starting
quarterback job in the NFL from Ryan Fitzpatrick. Fake news
a real news, Uh, real news, you are fake news.
Candid comments from Flores, who's been on fire. He says
this candidly, A case could be made that the younger
guys not radiot end quote. Wow, that's interesting, um byan.

(36:09):
Brian Flores has got some swag to him, right, like
he played he played the jay Z seven jay Z
songs and and now this, uh, that's not not great news.
The one good thing is that you know, Ryan Fitzpatrick
can started the season. You know, Ryan Fitzpatrick can be
benched and you're not gonna get an issue from Ryan Fitzpatrick.
Whereas if you start Josh Rosen, then you bench Josh Rosen,
there might not be any coming back from that. Yeah,

(36:29):
what do you think Fitzpatrick starts the first three weeks
throwing for like nine touchdowns in the pick and then
a week four just goes in reverse. Yes, that's usually
fits magic. That's how it works, and it worked in Buffalo,
it worked in Tampa. It's gonna work that way in
my any Let's see what happens. Baltimore, Raven said. Cotched
John Harbor said that quarterback Lamar Jackson needs to stop

(36:50):
turning the ball over in practice, and he needs to
make his number one priority right now. Real news are
fake news. Small security, that's real news. You are fake
Oh jeez. So one thing he said is that Hardbus said, quote,
I think it's been way better just watching the practices.
You probably saw it all. Lamar makes very few mistakes

(37:11):
of the ball. Handling it right now end quote. Right
now is kind of telling. Obviously, that's one thing about
option football, man, option football. The ball does end up
on the turf a lot. We got chance one more,
go quickly, last one. Ray Lewis, Lamar Odom are the
last former athletes to be contestants on Dancing with the Stars,
Real or fake Real, they're real and they're spectacle bigger questions.

(37:32):
Will you watch it? I will not, But ray Lewis
seems a little too stiff for me. Lamar maybe, and
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(38:18):
So Hard Knocks Part three was last night on hbo
Um Music. How would you describe your uh, I mean
coming into the year, I know you like you're like
you're fired up to see Hard Knocks, right, Yeah, usually
always pretty excited about Hard Knocks, and especially this year,

(38:41):
I felt like it was an elevated sense of expectations
given you know, Raiders scrutin, Antonio Brown, the whole thing
and the first two episodes, how would you characterize them
slightly underwhelming, not outright boring, but not as explosive as
I had expected given all of the drama that had
taken place with Antonio Brown in the off season, right,

(39:05):
I mean, I think I think one part that is
important is that when A Hard Knocks began fourteen years ago,
there were very there were different cuts, right, there were cutdowns,
and so you would go from ninety and then you'd
have a you'd have like two different cuts. And so
I thought part of the drama in the previous versions

(39:27):
was you you they'd follow around some of these players
that were on the cutting block and sometimes they would
say and sometimes they would go and you'd listen to
the discussions about those in the front office, and then
you'd actually see them bring their star, bringing your playbook
and discuss and get cut. Right? Is that Is that
a fair assumption? Like that was one of the things

(39:48):
that that's always one of the things that that that's
drawn me to the show. Yeah, you'd you'd buy into
this player who otherwise if you were to just you know,
know the name, without the face or the story, you
just be like, oh, that's some third string nickel corner
who played at Middle Tennessee. That I don't really care
about um, but instead you follow a story and you're

(40:09):
really rooting for him to hopefully make the roster exactly
so you don't have that anymore as of yet, right
like they made a cut, but it was kind of like, hey,
just get his stuff and get out of here in
the first episode. It took them another episode to get
kind of some backstories going on some of the other
some of the other undrafted guys. But the Antonio Brown

(40:31):
thing you would have thought would carry it, but it
was that the timing maybe didn't match up and the
inability to provide some of the backstory didn't match up.
I did think that, Yester. Last night's episode, which you
can see on demand, it was good and I there
was there was part of it that was telling because

(40:51):
we got to kind of figure out here, like we've
we've been assuming more than anything like John Gruen's gotta
be ticked. You know, It's not just I came back
to run the Raiders. It's the Raiders, some team I
have great affinity for. It was basically given the keys
of the Kingdom. I left a lifetime job as color
commentator from Monday night Football to come back and not

(41:15):
just run this team, but run it well. Have the
complete and and total support of the owner. We're going
through a move and a transition, whether a tough season
last year. I took a lot of bullets because I
trade away our two best talents. Like, there's a lot
of stuff going on here, and so Antonio Brown his
prize getting free agency, Like you gotta be you want

(41:36):
to be the easiest dude, not the hardest dude. But
that's just not the way it's worked. I want you
to listen to that. There's a conversation there, and I
do understand that these guys know they're Mike miked up.
No one knows they're miked up more than Derek Carr.
Have you noticed that Ryan like Derek. I get that
Derek Carr is corny and cheesy, but in the second episode,

(41:58):
he goes into this hole. Like the most nervous I
was was when I asked was gonna ask my wife
to marry me? And their parents were there and she
went to the bat. It was just it felt like
he worked it out in his head exactly what he
was gonna say before he's gonna say it. There was
a lack of authenticity to it, even if the story
was in fact authentic. Yeah, it was definitely felt as

(42:21):
though he's like in his head thinking like, oh man,
I'm gonna score some points at home tonight when they
showed this in the episode, correct, correct, like the whole thing,
and there was some other other stuff, you know yesterday
when they scored in in Arizona and see celebrating, Like
I get the most of these quarterbacks are kind of corny,
a little bit dorky or whatever. But man, he is

(42:42):
door co indicts, so I do, And I think some
of it is he's he's miked, So I do think Gruden.
Gruden knows he's Mike. There's boom, Mike's there. I'm sure
Antonio Brown does as well. But take a listen to
a conversation between two of them. Have you got any
problems anything, bothering problem? I got problems. You know I'm
wrong in this together, I'm saying, go sm So I
know you've got a lot of people in your ear

(43:03):
because you're like a corporation that's kind of gone a
global But at the end of the day, let's keep this.
Let's keep football comes first. Football comes first. So I
think that Scrutin's way of expressing his frustration but not
putting the blame on Antonio Brown. Like this is really
really smart, very smart psychology. He has been and the

(43:25):
previous to that part of the clip, Antonio Brown said
he appreciated him uh supporting and being his number one supporter.
So like, look, John Gruden's actually being kind of critical there,
but he's not being critical of Antonio Brown. He's being critical.
He's like, I know you've got a lot of people
in your ear. This's just smart. It's really smart. Hey,

(43:46):
I know you want to play football, but there's other
people saying you should do this, you should do that,
you should the other thing, right, And I think that's
I think it's it's it's it's fascinating psychology taking the
burden off of Antonio Brown and putting it onto You're
basically a corporation. There's things that happened. They're out of
your control. None of it's true. All right, If Antonio

(44:08):
Brown wants to play football, Antonio browns play football. But
John Gruden's not doing that. He's not going like, hey man,
you gotta get you gress out there every day. This
is ridiculous. Paid you all this money. I don't care
about helmet, no helmet. You worry about the helmet stuff
for for playing in games. But you come here, you
come playing Oakland. Come put on whatever helmet we give you,
and you wear it and you play. And enough about
the feet thing. I'm I'm, I'm done with that. We're

(44:32):
you know, we only have so many hours, we'll have
so many practices, and we got real games. We're getting close.
And I get judged based upon every decision, but especially
the decision to give you money. That's not what he said,
though he could have, but he didn't. And this is
Gruden trying to be two thousand nineteen cattle ideal with
millennial superstars. How do I deal with these guys? And

(44:55):
I know that he's not technically a millennial, but it
doesn't matter. The point is, and this is a really
important point that while Gruden and Mike Mayock seem to
be playing good cop bad cop, Gruden actually is being
a little bit critical here. He does the old k
I S S, keep it simple, stupid at the end,

(45:18):
let's just play football. Football comes first. But he didn't
say that football didn't come first for Antonio Brown. He said,
I like the corporation has gone global. You got a
lot of people in your ear. Let's just keep he's
putting it off on other people. So the Raiders in
Antonio Brown are on the road this season, trying to

(45:38):
get back into the playoffs. Speaking of on the road,
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(45:58):
paid for by So look, all the good coaches do this.
I understand that we think Bill Belichick is a huge hardass, right,
but when you've seen him miked up, he's not that way.
He's like Jimmy Johnson. I coach everybody the same different.

(46:19):
You find out who's sensitive, you find out who you
can embarrass, you find out how you can You can
coach each guy, and that's the way you coach them.
We think Bill Belichick has has just no personality, no
person no warmth, because that's how he talks to the media.
He doesn't view dealing with the media as part of

(46:39):
his job managing egos in in the NFL he does. Now,
does he get on to guys, yeah, does he call
guys out in film, sure as you can. He call
it Tom Brady, Yes, But part of that is that's
Tom Brady is a quarterback and they have a long
standing relationship. And even tom Brady he's had to learn
there's some buttons there you can't press. They all do this.

(47:01):
They all do this, I mean the good ones, you know.
And and think of why so many college football coaches
have failed. College football coaches have failed for the most
part because when they're in college, what they say is law.
When you get the NFL, it's not really that way.
You gotta kind of get everybody to think it's there,

(47:21):
you gotta. It's basically the idea of inception. Further, the
Christopher Nolan movie An Inception, and the idea of his
inception is planting an idea so deep into somebody's brain
that they think it was their own idea, Right, That's
what you have to do. That's essentially John Gruten's doing,
planting the idea in Antonio Brown's brain. Hey, I know

(47:43):
you thought it was you that didn't want to play
with the helmet, But really it's all the people telling
you that let's just get back to football. You're a
great football player, and then Antonio Brown, somewhere along lines
will click and go like, man, I gotta stop listen
to other people. I just gotta start playing football. When
I play football and play it well, everything else is good.
That's what the best of the best do. Sometimes they

(48:05):
hug them, sometimes they scold them. But a full frontal
assault when you don't have any real equity with guys.
Hard way to live, hard way, hard, hard way to live.
All right. Up coming next, Daniel Jeremiah from the NFL
Network will join the show. He's also Chargers analysts. Gonna
ask him does he think Melvin Gordon misses a game now?
How much do they change without Derwin James? What does

(48:28):
he think of not just the new contract for Jalen
Smith of Dallas Cowboys, but the fact that Jalen Smith
of the Cowboys got the first big new contract we'll
discuss next. Be sure to catch live editions of the
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Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app.
So I'm a consumer of all things audio. I listened

(48:52):
to all of our shows on Fox Sports Radio, and
I listened to a select number of podcasts. My podcast
is The Ball Podcast. I do actually listen to it.
That may sound narcissistic, but I do think it improves
the product when you listen to your own product. UM
that's called All Ball. You can listen to the Doug
Gotlip Show podcast. You missed any of our interviews like
Brandon Weeden earlier today, um Herd podcast network has three

(49:15):
and out is as Inside the Parker, Rob Parker's Good Stuff.
My my favorite non I heart podcast. I listened to.
It's called Move the Sticks. Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Buckey's filled in for me here Daniel every week on
the show. You see him on the NFL Network. He
joins us on The Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Radio.
You've been doing your your your lists of thirty two right, yep,

(49:39):
go all thirty two series, taking a couple of different
topics and hitting it with the one player from all
thirty two teams. Yeah. I thought when when you've initially
said all thirty two, I thought you were gonna do
an individual podcast on each team, which I thought would
be good. But challenging. Yeah, that's a big apple right there.
Take a bite out of that thing. Yeah, and then

(50:01):
I can imagine the downloads for the uh what do
you think of the Jags the cultick which one you
think would really generate the most downloads? Where all these
are the fan bases would be dying to know what's
going on with them. I actually think you'd be you know,
you get kind of out because they all have their
own like insider deal, but like an outsider's perspective on it.
I don't know. I I think you know, it's on

(50:23):
social media. You'd be amazed at how many these markets are.
You go to Caroline and they're all about the Panthers. Man,
you go to Cleveland, they're all You go to Cincinnati,
they're all about the Bengals. They may not like them,
but they're all about them. So it's still we just
got to come up with an aggressive marketing campaign though,
So we do the episodes and we've got to market them,
uh locally in those markets. Well, maybe have a local

(50:44):
guy on with you. I don't know, I'll think about it.
Let me ask let me ask you about some let
me ask you about some of the big national names.
Cowboys signed Jalen Smith first. We knew he need to
get paid. We knew that Byron Jones need needs to
get his his deal redone there there has to be
some sort of symbolism for Jerry right to do this
one first and the way in which you did it,

(51:07):
and if you had any doubt if there was symbolism,
just listen to Jerry's own words, um, and when he
when he talks about the fact that he's done everything right,
hasn't missed a workout, you know, just to me, it's
he's obviously making a statement here, not just with with
Jalen situation, but making a statement more more, uh, directly
towards Zeke. I would say that to Dak or to Cooper,

(51:30):
but to me it was yeah, No, I think there
was tremendous symbolism in that signing. Is it? Do you
like the amount of money they gave him? Like it?
It does feel like you're slightly overpaying him. On the upside, well,
I think, look, if he's if he plays and stays healthy,
plays at the level he's shown us recently. Um, I

(51:51):
think the deal end up looking okay. It's just to
me from a team building perspective, he's a great, great player.
You like to get that deal done, but you usually
go with the old um, you know, what's the most
important piece of business, Let's try and get that done first.
Which again that's the debate everybody's had. It's the quarterback position,
you know, is to me is the most important position.
So you want to make sure that's it locked in

(52:12):
before you get to all these other positions. But um,
so they want out of order a little bit in
terms of the position. But no, like this kid stays healthy,
that that won't be a bad number. Okay, so what
does this do? Uh? In terms of the pie, Jerry
says that there's less pie. How much less pie is there?
I would say that I still think they can get
everything they want to get done with these three guys.

(52:35):
It's interesting to me Jerry's Jerry's tone and language. You know, look,
as we get closer to the season, that's when everybody
expects these deals are gonna get done. Right right before
the start of the season, that's when the deals happen.
This is this is where it all goes down. And
it's not lost on me that you see the rhetoric
changing with Jerry kind of cranking it up, like hey,
I'm not gonna go outside the budget and and really

(52:56):
gonna be firm. And then I saw I guess Ian
has a port today talking about Melvin Gordon. He's prepared
to miss games. It's like everything gets cranked up, and
I don't really buy it. I still think there's a
good chance a bunch of these deals get done before
the start of the season. You mentioned Melvin Gordon. Danny
Jeremiah joins us in the Doug Gottlieb show, You Do
You Do? You are the color analyst on radio for

(53:17):
the for the Chargers. I think he shows up. I
think I don't think the Charges have changed their stance.
I think he shows up week one of the season.
I'm with you and not fine. Money can that that
goes up quick um, and that's something where you hope
you can try and recoup that get a new deal.
But at the end of the day, I mean, look,

(53:37):
this is a lot of money that you could be
losing as you're going through this process, and you're facing
an organization that's proven that they're pretty principled and they've
got depth there as well. So I mean, again, I
keep coming back to it. Same. Melvin is a great player.
It charges obviously want to have him there, and they're
a better team with him. But I just don't see
them moving in this situation. And I don't know how
many more how many more fines you want rack up

(54:00):
before you decide, hey, let's go ahead and show up. Yeah?
Like what what? Like? At what point is did the
point you you push them to the limit and they've
shown they're not going to bend, you know, they offered
a new contact. I guess my question is, do you
think that same offer that was proposed in the preseason
will exist if he shows up right before Week one? Uh?

(54:22):
You know, I don't I don't know that. I wouldn't
know that answer, but I would imagine that that that's
probably still out there. I don't know that they put
a timetable on that. But you know, did you get
to the point where, um, okay, you know, is this
something where the fines are gonna keep racking up? Are
you gonna forgive the fines? I mean that's where the
negotiating gets kind of interesting at that point in time.
But I would imagine I would guess that that offer

(54:44):
that was out there previously would still exist. Up until
the start of the season and then then we'll see
what happens from there. Daniel Jeremiah joining us in the
Doug Gotlips Show on Fox Sports Radio. Baker Mayfield called
Daniel Jones too uh to clarify right, which kind of
sounds like apologize. Um. He was surprised the g Q
article had I'm surprised by the fact that Giants drafted him.

(55:06):
How big a faux pa is this inside the world
the NFL? Well, I mean, I just think it's it underscores,
you know, some of the criticism that was out there,
maybe some of the reluctance to buy into the Brown
not even just Baker, which is is just okay, are
they you know, is this team mature enough to be

(55:27):
able to go where they want to go? And this
is a this is in and of itself a small thing,
but it just feeds into that narrative of this. This
this you know, the leader of this team in this
organization is maybe a little bit immature, and and that's
that's what the league has looked at. The people in
the league have been very complimentary of the talent on
this Brown's roster, while also most people in the league saying, Okay,

(55:50):
this is kind of ridiculous how much hype these guys
are getting. They haven't done anything. Let's see it. Um,
So that to me, you know, the league is let's
just say that the media might be picking the Browns
to go to the postseason, but there's a there are
many people in the league to feel the same way,
no question, no, no question. I've just the offensive line
and and really even how Freddy Kitchens handled this right, Like,

(56:12):
at some point Freddy Kitchens has gotta go. You know,
that wasn't acceptable, you know, like, and he won't. He's
like some talk about we don't need to talk about
other players and other organizations. We just don't. We don't
need to do that doesn't benefit anybody. Um, that's just that,
you know, it's a lesson. Hey, Baker's young, he's learning.
This is a good lesson for him to learn. And
and we you know, we've talked to him. We're on

(56:33):
the same page. And I don't think you'll be seeing
anything like that in the future. Daniel Jeremiah handle it done. Yeah,
I I I agree. Daniel Jeremiah joined us on The
Doug Gottlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio Am I
crazy to think Pittsburgh going into New England there's six
point dogs and I get to New England getting back
Josh Gordon, but they haven't had Edelman all preseason. Like,

(56:55):
I think Pittsburgh is gonna be pretty good. I think
that's gonna be a great game. And New England traditionally
has actually the last couple of years, has been slow
out of the gate because they're using those first four
games as like extended preseason. I'm am, I crazy to
think Pittsburgh goes in there gives him a helmet game.
I don't think you're crazy at all. I think for
all the reasons you just mentioned. You know, the Patriots
usually takes in a few weeks to kind of find

(57:17):
their formula and what they want to do. And uh,
and the Steelers have a Hall of Fame quarterback, with
a good offensive line, I think a defensive front seven
that's got a chance to be really good. My only
concern would be just some of those questions in the
Steelers secondary and how that group comes together. Um, I
could see Tom, you know, picking them apart a little bit,
getting the ball out quick. But yeah, I mean, I

(57:39):
you know, I don't you know, get too much into
the line. But this is a this should be a
very very competitive football game. I tend to agree with you.
We we You mentioned how New England slow start because
they don't get after it that much in the preseason,
or they don't and this is becoming a trend right now,
the sudden Frank Raik is gonna hold as to his

(58:00):
starters out. Obviously the Rams have done this the past
couple of years, and it seems like we're moving away
more and more from playing guys in the preseason games.
Now they do have these dual practices which are occurring um,
which I know the coaches really really like. I guess
I'm just I'm I'm wondering if if we do away
with the preseason players do understand the teams make money

(58:21):
on it, and they're gonna try and make money somewhere else. Right, Well,
here here's the deal. So I've I've talked with uh
I had a chat with Hunter Henry a couple of
weeks ago about this, and so we we came up
with this thing, and so we've dubbed the Henry Jeremiah Plan.
I give Hunter top billing on the plan, but it's
the first two games to keep the four games right
or four four events. The first two are preseason games

(58:44):
where you're playing your young players, chance to evaluate the
young guys on your roster, basically what it is now.
You get two weeks of that, and then weeks three
and four are those joint practices in the stadium in
front of the fans. You're gonna see, you know, like
we just had the Saint from the Chart dis practice.
You're gonna get to watch Drew Brees and Philip Rivers
seven on seven. Then they're gonna go to team and

(59:05):
it's gonna be a thud period. The quarterbacks are in
a different colored jersey, but it's entertaining. You're watching the
stars and it's good work. It's good practice. The ones
versus ones. They understand how to take care of one another.
And then after those games in weeks three and four,
let's open it up a little bit. Let's, you know,
let's some of the fans come down to the field.
You're gonna have some autograph stuff, but make it more
of a you know that type of an event, and

(59:27):
I think the fans will get more out of it.
I think that the teams would be happy because they
can look at some of the young guys for a
couple of weeks, but then they can also get the
veterans a bunch of work. I think that's a much
more appealing thing for everybody involved in what we have
right now. Okay, now it's it's Is this the first
time it's been announced? Uh? Don't just might you know
we've talked about it, it's come up. I talked to

(59:48):
Money about it, Matt money Smith, But I don't know
that it's I think we talked about it on air
because Hunter Henry came on air, but it hasn't been
It hasn't caught on yet. Doug. We need somebody to
really push this thing forward. You know what you need, right,
You needed to be you need to be. You need
to put my name on it, the gottlieb Henry. Alright,

(01:00:12):
well I don't need to see to be top shelf. Um.
But if it was the gottli plan, I mean it
might because Hunter got hurt. But he got hurt in
non contact, right, so like I get it, but he
got hurt in an o T A non contact I
think true, true, that's correct. I do like the kind
of the Doug, the Doug DJ and Hunter. Uh, you
know we can maybe go first name on this thing. Yeah,

(01:00:33):
Doug DJ Hunter, all right, we'll figure it out the workshop.
But well, I like it. I like it. I'm like,
we'll have a what's what's the what's the group called
where where they test things against the group to see
their their appetite for it. Huh not focus focus group? No,
we need to like have a focus group, Like, all right,

(01:00:54):
how does this hit you if we say we say that.
The one thing I would I would point out is
you might want to have the young eyes go first
and then last. Okay, one in four weeks one and four, Yeah,
just because you don't want I don't know if you
want that good work the week before the season. I
do think they clearly need because before these joint practices
picked up as much as they are, like early season

(01:01:14):
games are a little raggedy. I mean, and college football
is really raggedy because it doesn't have this. I think
this is a good this is a very good idea.
It's a very good I just I also don't want
like a you don't want to be a circus, right,
you don't want the slam dunk competition. You don't want
the one hand comp You don't need that. You don't
need that, but I mean if you if you've watched
these joint practices, it's really good work. And the fans
are out there. I think they get there. They get

(01:01:36):
quite a show to see these guys go. Um, Philip rivers,
it's it's interesting. We're gonna do this later on my show.
He actually said this a year ago when I did
Chargers camp, and then he said to Dan Patrick last week,
which is like, why why is Tom Brady the greatest
quarterback ever? Just because you know they win a game
on a on a play here or there. Um, And
this kind of goes back to the old day Marino

(01:01:57):
Joe Montana thing. M. You know, Philip bees obviously a
savant in terms of being a quarterback. He knows the
history of the sport. And I don't think he inserted
him himself into the argument ever, but it's an interesting point.
What do you think of his the discussion as to
it is the greatest quarterback of all time the winningest

(01:02:18):
quarterback of all time? Well, I look in my opinion
on that has always been the same and that I
view those you know, the winning the championships to play
all the all that side of it. The postseason success
is a tiebreaker for me. Um So, in other words,
if if player A is significantly better than player B,
but player B has been on a great team and

(01:02:39):
won a Super Bowl, um, I don't, I don't. I
don't put player B over player A. To me, it's okay,
I've got two great players, Like in an era where
you might have you know, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady,
who are both you know, players, high high caliber players,
and you could say they're very similar and you know,
talent or skill or what have you. Then you might say, hey,

(01:03:00):
one guy's got you know, six and one guy's got
to Maybe that can be the tiebreaker there. But I'm
not willing to say that because you know, Russell Wilson
has won a Super Bowl and Dan Marino Hasn't that
rust Russell Wilson is a better players Dan Marino or
anybody that's you know, Brad Johnson, whoever you want to
say so to me, it's the tiebreaker. I don't think
it's the be all end All Doug Otive Show on

(01:03:21):
Fox Sports Trader that's the voice of of Daniel Jeremiah.
All Right, We've been doing this every week I've had
you on. Tell me about a team that we're not
talking about that we should be talking about. Give me
a new one. Oh, I'll tell you what a team
that's kind of interesting to me is is the Tennessee Titans,
just because I think if you if you look at it,

(01:03:41):
the teams that have been over five hundred the last
three years, there's not many of them. You know, you
have ups and downs. That was the Patriots trip there.
I think maybe the Eagles Titans are one of those teams.
They've just been nine and seven for three straight years.
They haven't been able to get over the hump. And
when you look at them offensively, if they can figure
it out between Mariota Tannehill, whoever can just play at

(01:04:01):
an acceptable level at the quarterback position, you get Delaney
Walker back. You know, Corey Davis I think has a
chance to grow and emerge as a player. You've got
a good offensive line, you can run the football. The
defense is really good with a defensive head coach. I mean,
I just think for a team that's been over five
hundred three years in a row, nobody, I mean nobody's
talking about Tantcy Titans. Uh what what is your level

(01:04:23):
of concern watching Jimmy garoppolo struggle on Monday, I'm not
not like a zero. I mean, I just it's such
a small sample size and it's such a you know,
the preseason is is so insignificant. I I don't I'm
not worried about it. I think he'll be fine, getting
start game planning with Kyle Shanahan and uh and let's

(01:04:44):
let's just take a deep breath here. Yeah, it's gonna
be gonna be interesting, though. I mean I thought that
I thought he part of it is he like rhythm, right,
his first pass gets batted down. He's under some pressure.
He didn't, you know. I mean, you know how these
guys script things. They want to get those guys some rhythm,
and they could never establish that for him. Yeah, I
just think he's got He's got, you know, one of

(01:05:04):
the all time friendliest or quarterback friendliest offenses and play
collars um he'll be fine, which would lead you believe
he will be, but he wasn't. Monday Night, DJ, great stuff, man,
Thanks so much for joining us. You can download his podcast,
it's called Move the Sticks. You can check him out
on the NFL Network Listening call Charger games or let's
do weekly here on the Doug Gotlip Show. Uh, Daniel,
Jeremiah part of the Gottlieb Jeremiah and Henry plan to

(01:05:27):
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I saw several shows this morning talking about this sound
bite from the Dan Patrick Show. I remember thinking when when, uh,
when the Patriots beat the Seahawks. When the Seahawks, when
they had the interception that gets the Seahawks down there
all fourth and one, and that gave them what their
fifth championship, right, I think, you know, everybody said, oh,

(01:06:35):
he's mouth the greatest of all time, and I thought
to myself, I already thought he was one of right,
I mean, how do you ever decide that? It's like
the old Michael Jordan, Right, we can talk about that
forever too, But I always thought he was already one
of the greatest all time. But because they intercepted the
past and now the days of all time, what if
the what if the Seahawks were running in and the
Seahawks were one break, he just played the exact same game.

(01:06:57):
He not anything different, you know, but it is it
is me how that works. So I don't I don't
look at that. That's why I always think Brado was
right there in the mix two. It's funny because that's
seen as the first time anyone could have questioned Tom
Brady winning a Super Bowl and not being to the
greatest of all time. I went on calling Coward Show
earlier today and I said, Philip Rivers said, essentially the

(01:07:19):
exact same thing with the exact same story last year
when I interviewed him during Chargers training camp. Take a listen,
I laugh about the way we judged some things Tom
Brady the year when the Seahawks didn't run it down
there and they threw the interception been there because of
the Packers. But and so the Patriots won. So and
I do think Tom's arguably the best to ever play.

(01:07:40):
But when they intercepted the ball, everybody said, Tom Brady,
you know he want us fifth or whatever. He is
now the greatest quarterback there play. But if Seattle would
have scored, he wouldn't have been but he was on
the sideline. He played the same game. You know. It
just kills me sometimes I think that I I mean,
I laugh at it because I go, no, he still
is one of the all time greatest, not whether or
not the guy made a play or not on defense.

(01:08:00):
So look, people will look at this as defaming the
name of Thomas Patrick Edward Brady the second right, That's
what they'll That's what they'll think, Like here he is,
he's calling out time. He's like no, no, he's trying
to have a more thoughtful, interesting discussion because if we
just go by championships, then sorry, Bill Russell is the

(01:08:20):
greatest basketball player of all time, not Lebron James and
not Michael Jordan's. If we go by championships, are we
going championships that are clean? You know? Like Jordan's six championships,
no losses? What happens to Lebron passed him? But do
we hold back to losses? Or Joe Montana for four
Super Bowls, didn't losing one? Tom Brady nine super Bowls
in the salary cap era. On the other hand, with

(01:08:42):
Tom Brady, is he actually a better quarterback than Aaron Rodgers?
Only one one? But he's playing for the Green Bay Packers.
I feel like what Philip Rivers is simply doing is
he's echoing the sentiment from both of our childhoods, which
was the it used to be you're a Montana guy
or your Marine no guy. And Marino never won one,
was only in one, but everybody thought he was amazing,

(01:09:06):
whereas you know, as good as Montana was, remember he
was he played under Bill Walsh, who's and and and
obviously Marino had Shula, and Shula is one of the
greatest coaches of all time. But he's not seen as
the innovative that Bill Walsh was. I mean, you look
at Bill Walsh's staff, you look at Bill Walsh the talent.

(01:09:26):
I mean, yes, Joe Montana was great, but he played
behind the historically great offensive line, with the greatest wide
receiver of all time Roger Craig, one the great running
backs of all time, with unbelievable defensive players, an owner
that took care of everybody. Like, it's just interesting that
we used to have this Marino debate with Joe Montana.
Marina never won one now, and I don't think Philip
Rivers was inserting himself even though he's never been to one,

(01:09:48):
let alone one one. But I do think it's like, okay,
is yeah. Um. Tom Brady didn't play great in this
last Super Bowl. Even you go back to the previou
A Super Bowl, he played really pretty well, but he
made a terrible uh. He threw to the wrong guy
on their last interception against the Eagles, cost them the game.

(01:10:08):
They had the ball down five, chance to win the game.
Tom Brady screwed up. Tom Brady didn't play well the
first three quarters against Atlanta Falcons. His team got him
back in the game and he started making some good throws,
and the Falcons miss managed the clock, and they had
some errors and and it it's snowball. So these are
all sports stories, and it's a sports argument, but it's

(01:10:31):
an interesting one in which we cannot be two prone
to only go based upon the ultimate outcome decide who's
actually individually the best when it's a team game. And
that's what the Fox said. By the way, this was
Freddie Kitchens discussing Baker Mayfield. This is what I'm talking about.

(01:10:56):
Take a listen to Freddie Kitchens. He's talking about Baker
Mayfield and his you know, this is this latest article
with g Q and Daniel Jones comment. If I ever
feel like that, I'll address it at that point. But uh,
beggar and not have a good relationship. I think Becker
knows exactly what he's doing. You guys aren't giving him
enough credit that uh from the standpoint of he's just

(01:11:19):
been Uh he's twenty four years old. Okay, he's very mature,
but again he's still twenty four years old. He's know
how things he learns along the way in football and
life and everything else. I don't think it matters at
the end of the day. I don't think it matters.
Somebody says something about the bulls, says something about the bulls,
What does that matter? Do we not have a bulls
eye on this just because we're in NFL when we're
playing on Sundays. Yeah, I mean, I look, I I

(01:11:42):
do think I'm not a big bulletin board material. Guy.
I don't know if you are, Like you're a professional
athletes the NFL. You only have sixteen games. You only
now you want to win? Oh, because Baker said something
about Daniel Jones, only now you want to win. That said,
this is a perfect opportunity for Freddy Kitchens to act

(01:12:04):
like the head coach of the Cleveland Browns and just
to go, hey, we don't talk about other teams in
our locker room. Not you know, we have a report around.
You don't talk about somebody else's team. You just don't
talk about your team, talk about your guys, talk about
your story. I know Baker Mayfield called Daniel Jones, uh

(01:12:26):
to to to what was to clarify Youah, to clarify
that clarify is that's that's translates roughly into clarifies by apologizing.
That's what it is. So I mean like I you're

(01:12:47):
just waiting for Freddie Kitchens to go kind of like
Jerry Jones or make Mike Mayock. I've had enough and
this was a perfect opportunity where you didn't have to
be firm with warmth. Baker's only twenty four years old,
only been a league year. This was a mistake. We'll
clean it up, we'll learn, We'll move forward. Only talk
about guys on our team. Jerry Jones is officially had

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(01:13:53):
Jerry Jones wanted to get me somebody to give us
a bunch of money into, right, like, well, get get
missed somebody, Stephen, get somebody in here I can give
a bunch of money to because people are questioning whether
Jerry Jones is gonna give him some money give me
a loyal cowboy. So he signed somebody's jail and Smith.

(01:14:15):
Here's Jerry Jones. There is less pie left, make no
bones about it. There is less pie. There's less pie,
less three point one four that's pie. There's less of
it now that we've given out some of it to
jail and Smith. This kid from Notre Dame, second round
pick towards a c L had dropped foot, came back

(01:14:38):
pro Bowl level player, and he's gonna be part of
our linebacker crew for years to come. Right. That's that's
what's That's what's going to happen, is there. There's just
less pie now, and that is a shot to the
Dak Prescott's, Mary Cooper's, but more than anything, Zeke Elliott's.
Remember when Zeke Elliott and at least his his agents

(01:15:00):
said they were um not embarrassed disrespected by Jerry when
he said Zeke, who kind of joking about Tony Pollodge.
Great day on Saturday. Here's Jerry Jones response. I've earned
the right with Zake to joke, period. I've earned it.

(01:15:20):
So have you got any conversations since then at all? No,
let me be real clear about it. I've earned that
right to joke. Let me be very clear. Let me
be real clear here. I have earned that right to joke.
I've earned that right. Reminds me of um Adam Fawley,

(01:15:43):
remember him from the town. That's John Hamm's character. Remember
when he had had this to say, this is not
around crew, So find me something that looks like a
prince so I can grab one of these and shake
their tree because it's not round. Things about to go
both ways. Yeah, this is the We're done messing around.

(01:16:03):
Like we were all cool, gonna going back and forth,
and he wants to be the highest paid guy, and
we said we're not ready to get there. We got
other guys to get to. And this is Jalen Smith's
day and we're joking around about Tony. But you're like,
all right, I have earned the right to joke around
about Zeke. I am writing all of these checks. I

(01:16:25):
wrote the check to build Jerry's world, even though it
costs one million dollars a day to operate, and we
went over and above any sort of budget. I did it,
and I do it again. I'll figure this thing out.
We had a plan, and Zeke's cutting in line like
this is this is the We're done messing around crew

(01:16:50):
like Zeke needs to be here. He needs to accept
our terms. We're not gonna blow the bank out for him.
We're not gonna make him paid above that of a
running back we were are you We understand times actually
on our side, not yours this time, with the exception
of trying to win a super Bowl, which we can do,
and if we win a super Bowl, everybody gets rich.

(01:17:10):
Everybody gets rich instead of haggling over a million dollars here,
a million dollars there. I think of the money that
you make if you win a super Bowl. But these
guys just can't see the bigger picture, small mind, small picture.
So I I feel like Jerry has had enough. Like
it was fun and it was entertaining, and the Cowboys

(01:17:31):
were in the news and everybody talking about how good
the Cowboys are and etcetera, etcetera. But push comes to
push comes to shove and he's like, look, I've I've earned.
I stood by you when you had the domestic violence
deal in the investigation, in the six game suspension, I
lost it with the commissioner. I was supporting you. That's

(01:17:54):
equity that I've earned. So if I want to joke
about your name, not out of Zeke who when Tony
poll has a it did they Fine, it's a joke.
Everybody knew it was a joke. Let's not act like
we're offended. Let's not act like we're offended. But I
think that the Cowboys that the deadlines bring deals. And

(01:18:18):
while the Cowboys would only be bidding against themselves because
Zeke is still under contract not just for this but
for next year as well, and then could be for
two additional years, and he can't go anywhere. They don't
want him to. He can't go anywhere, and he doesn't
earn any of the higher dollar figures unless he shows
up this year for lower dour figure. But the Cowboys,

(01:18:41):
there's also a little bit of pressure there because they're
they're Super Bowl clock has tiken. You know, Yeah, Dak
will get a new deal, but it would probably be
mostly a new money starting next year. At the end
of this season in terms of how it hits the
salary capital, allow them to sprinkle around the money this year.
You're only gonna have a quarterback under this type of
rookie control for so long. This is probably this is

(01:19:03):
the last year. They got Giants, Redskins, Dolphins. Then it
gets real Saints on the road, Packers at Jets, Eagles
at Giants. Not the craziest, most difficult schedule ever, but
also not exactly an easy one. You got New Orleans
to go to New Orleans take on the Saints. You
gotta go to Chicago take on the Bears, you gotta
go to New England take on the Patriots. And of

(01:19:25):
course you have all the games in your in your division,
which means Eagles on the road, Giants on the road,
and Redskins on the road. And even if Giants and
Redskins aren't particularly good, that's there. That's their biggest game.
Cowboys and Redskins, Cowboys and Giants, those are their biggest games.
No disrespect to Philadelphia. Philadelphia New York is a very

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good rivalry. It's not as good rivalry as Cowboys and Giants.
Cowboys and Giants will be on Fox as long as
Fox has the broadcast rights. That big of a deal.
Not a good a deal. Doug Galla Show here on
Fox Sports Radio. You like the town, um, Ryan, That

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like there is a certain I don't know, I don't
want to say cliche aspect to it, but there is
Like there's a combination of a bunch of other movies
that I like that are in it. Like there's a
little bit of heat to it, right, They're a little
bit of heat to it. There's a little bit of
what's the other Boston movie I'm thinking of The Departed? Yeah,

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it's a little right, a little departed to it. Um,
a little bit of everything to it. It's a good movie. Though,
was that that? Did you realize that's nine years old? No? No,
I had no idea it was that old. But um yeah, no.
Solid movie. Not like the greatest of all time or
any means, Like, no one's gonna be like, oh, what's
a movie that just goes down in your top ten.
No one's gonna put it in their top ten. But

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solid entertaining movie for sure. One of the movies that
slowly put Ben Affleck onto the map. I know he uh,
he suffered for quite a while there, Ryan, why are
you looking at a cross side? He's been on the
map since Chasing Amy. You're talking, you're maybe back on
the map. That's what I said back on You didn't say.
You didn't say back on the map, and he's still
looking at what what's the problem, right, you didn't say

(01:21:11):
back on the map? Ryan, What do you say? What's
your problem? Back on the map? I mean he's I
mean I remember thought he fell off the map. Yeah.
After after everyone was like, oh man, how awful? Is
that one of the worst movies ever? Yeah, he had
a bad run there. Um, okay, so here's the well,

(01:21:32):
let's look at let's look at Ben Affleck. Right, So
Ben Affleck obviously Argo was as big that was. That
was huge for him. Argo was was a crazy big
movie for him. But if you go back to post
GELI all right, so let's see here Gelie was when
when is Geelie after Julie? It's not that great there, Ryan, Um,

(01:21:56):
if you kind of want to really get into it.
For a good portion of time, Gelie was. He had Geelie,
he had Paycheck, Jersey Girl, Surviving Chris Christmas Man about
town clerks to Hollywood Land, did you watch Hollywood Land
Smoking Aces, Vanity Fair. He's just not that into you.

(01:22:18):
State of play, extract the company men and then the town,
the town, and then Argo put him back on the map.
Ryan's right, Geelie happened in two thousand three. Argo wasn't
until two thousand twelve, so he had the town, Argo,
Gone Girl, Uh, Batman and Superman, Don of Justice, Suicide Squad,

(01:22:43):
you know, Justice League. And he's got a kind of
back rolling again. But you know, Argo and Gone Girl
were really big. But Ryan's exactly right with the town
got him going again. Thank you? What do mean? Thank
you said Ryan's right? I meant I meant Ryan music
is right. He Ryan's just salty because of the fact
that you know, he thinks you have you have terrible

(01:23:05):
taste in music. So I don't know where are in
movies and I don't know where that came from. Yeah,
why do you think I have terrible tasting movies? Long
story Shore, I don't want to get into it. But
you enjoyed The Last Jedi and I hated it. But
that doesn't mean you have portraits of movies that just
we disagree on a movie music. Help help help us
out here. Gascon. Do you want to get in on

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this one? Like does does liking one movie that somebody
else doesn't like because he's like serious this, this guy's
serious Star Wars. It's been years and he's still with
that decision. It kind of makes me think of Jimmy
Garoppolo in that preseason game against Denver. Just not a
good start for you. Well you don't you don't like

(01:23:47):
the last yet? I you don't wan like that movie?
I didn't either. I think the acting has been brutal though.
Really yeah, I really do Star Wars. Like Star Wars
acting hasn't been you know, like when was it great? Well, yeah,
the original three, that's it. Even in the original three
there was some there was some acting that was not
the greatest in the world. But you're at least you're

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a movie Savon will give you that because most of
the guys in your crew. I'll sit in here and
take the shot. Dan Buyer does not watch movies. We
all know that. I mean, that's a weird. So when
you when you quote like Rounders and he can't fire back,
I'm just like, I want to call up damn, let
me help you out real quick. Okay, So gascon impressed
me with your movie, Like you're gonna sit down, you

(01:24:29):
open up your laptop, You're gonna fly across across the pond.
You get like five movies to watch. It's only movies,
not television shows, only movies. Damn it, um inceptions one
of them. I mean you brought it up. That's that's
a top ten for me. I have terrible taste of movies.
Remember that, don't don't never you know, Um, that's tough.

(01:24:54):
I I gotta go. Well, if I got time to kill,
I might as well go with like, Um, I'll go
with like one of the die Hard movies. It's always
good for killing time. Which one one or two? One
or three? One or three? Yeah, I mean you're gonna
get the Samaritan in there? Right? No, yes, die heard

(01:25:15):
two does not exist. It's like Rocky five, Rocky did too.
What are you talking about? You got the Annex skywalk.
The guy got a parking ticket on Christmas? What the
hell is that? I mean, this is a parking ticket
in the airport. They get towed. Um, it's it's a
fair point. By the way, rotten tomatoes everybody uses rotten tomatoes.
Do you know that black Panthers, the number one rated

(01:25:37):
Rotten Tomatoes movie of all time. Ryan Smith hates that movie.
That's not true. It's a good movie. It's actually only
because of Ryan Smith creating fake accounts that it ever
got that high of a ratings. But okay, so so
give me what are your five movies? Give me Departed,
give me Rounders, give me Inception, give me Brave Heart,

(01:25:58):
give me Gladiator. That's good for five. On a trip
over the pond, Ryan Smith, you want to get on this. Uh.
If you are gonna put me on the spot, I'll
go chasing Amy. Uh. The Crow Empire strikes back Winter
Soldier in Affinity War just off top of my head,
Infinity Wardy War, Avengers, Doug, Hello, I've seen Avengers anywhere,

(01:26:23):
but the Avengers ones are long. They're a long, long long.
I'll give you. I'll give you my list later on music,
you can pile your list. Cowboys insider Matt Mosley joins
the show. Coming next, what does he think Jalen Smith's
contract tells us about Doc and Zeke's future with the team.
Will discuss next. Be sure to catch live editions of
The Doug dot Leap Show week days at noon eastern
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(01:26:45):
Heart Radio app. Matt Mosley has been a long time
Cowboys insider Baylor, Bear Homer and General Thorn in my Side.
He now has this show called The Matt Moseley Show
in Austin and anywayco plus, he's a co host of
the Doomsday Podcast, which I believe lost Edward or Edward

(01:27:06):
just he just dropped you like a bad habit didn't
he No, he's still with me, He's still on board.
I mean, I think that was the whole stipulation on
going back to Bristol. He had to he had to
continue on the Doomsday Podcast. M Um, why j Allen
Smith in the in the order of guys, James Smith's
gotta get paid Byron Jones, gotta get paid. But why

(01:27:28):
j Ellen Smith. Well, I do think Jerry has this
special relationship anybody that's had to overcome adversity, Jerry always
brings it back to himself because he's a classic narcissist.
And uh, he thinks about his start, how he barely
made it and when he took over the Cowboys got

(01:27:48):
he almost went under. And what Jalen Smith overcame with
this horrible knee injury and the nerve genera uh, you know,
degeneration and all that. He had to regenerate that thing.
I think, Jerry, I mean, you heard how emotionally got
so I think there are a couple of things at work.
First of all, this guy is an incredible, incredible leader,
and I think he's already one of the better linebackers

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in the NFL. And unlike the other agents, Jerry found
the player who wanted to deal, who who actually brought
into this stuff about how uh if you if you
you know, play for the Cowboys and you play for
that brand, it's gonna stick with you the rest of
your life. Jalen. Jalen totally buys into that. So, Jerry,

(01:28:31):
this thing just got done in a hurry. And it's
also a way. I'm not saying he only signed him
to send a message, but he certainly used that news
conference to send a message to U Zeeke and a
little bit Dak. Hey, you know, we have to sign
We got a lot of great players. We gotta sign everybody.
Everybody's gonna work together to make this a team thing.
So that's how Jalen cut to the front of lot

(01:28:54):
in a line because he's buying into Jerry's You played
for the Cowboys, that should that should make you wealthy
the rest of your life. What does it mean to Zeke? I?
I just think I had to I had some of
that looked like Jalen looked like the teacher's pet up there. Uh. Next,
I wonder what Zeke was speaking because everything they were

(01:29:16):
saying about Jalen was was kind of going against Zeke.
Zeek's out there, you know, two years left on his deal.
I I need my money, let's go. And they sort
of painted Jalen as the ultimate team guy, the ultimate
let's put the Cowboys first, and so they tried to
almost make it look like el Zeke's being selfish. Now,

(01:29:39):
I don't think this, this is this is a bunch
of bull about Zeke being upset or uh at at
uh at Jerry's choke, the Zeke who thing the other
night after Tony Pollard had a nice night. That's the
biggest joke in the world. That's an agent trying to
score some kind of weird uh negotiating point. So I,

(01:30:00):
I don't you know, right now, Jerry's in a fight
with the agents of these guys. I don't think he's
letting it get personal with Zeke, although it did fill
a tad bit personal when Jerry said yesterday I have
earned the right to choke with Zeke because that dog,
as you know, went back to two thousand and seventeen.

(01:30:22):
I had this man's back. I stared down Goodell. He
basically tried to get Goodell fired over that whole thing.
And and so I do think sometimes Jerry is he
usually doesn't let it get personal, but in that moment
it did get a little personal with Zeke. Matt Mosley
is our guest on the Doug Gatlum Show here on

(01:30:44):
Fox Sports Radio. Of course, he has his own radio
show in Austin and in Waco. It's called Matt Mosley Show. Um. Okay,
So the last reports were Cowboys were up to thirty
for Dak and he wanted forty. Um, where is where
is that? As of down? Um? I think the forty

(01:31:07):
thing was something, you know, you know, it kind of
sounds like the Cowboys were might be trying to make
Jack look a little like greedy on that front. Forty
I think is uh insane number. I think this thing
will get done and somewhere in the wherever Russell's ended
up thirty three thirty four, it'll be like right around there,

(01:31:29):
and uh and they'll they'll, you know, they'll kind of
meet in the middle on that. I I just think
Dak now I have seen some thought, and I was
the one leading this talk. I think Dak ought to
try to play this year without the contract if he
can't get what he wants right now. I remember Romo
doing it one year. Rollo was not happy doing it
two thousands is you gotta go way back? Two thousand seven,

(01:31:50):
Rollo wanted to deal before the season, didn't get one.
He went out and played, and he drove the number
up like crazy. He went from like what at the
time was Martin Bull your money to something way bigger
and uh boy, you love it when I pulled a
name from the past like that. But but I I'm
telling you, Dak, I think that should should maybe think

(01:32:11):
about playing this year and just driving the money. I mean,
if if that, if I don't think it doesn't say
drive the money, though they can they can always. I
don't understand by the cowboys of you and engageing stuff.
They got the franchise attack for him next year. Zeke's
under contract the next two years. You know, Marie Cooper
is the one making fourteen, like you take some of
that off the salary cap. I guess I just well,

(01:32:32):
they can't. They can't do it without Zeke, though they
know it. I mean they can say all this stuff
that Zeke's got him over a barrel. The entire thing
is built around Zeke. They can't. They can't do this
with Tony Pollard or whoever else they got around. They
just can't. So this is the one running back. You know,
I know Gordon, they didn't really have that kind of
leverage with San Diego. This guy actually does have leverage.

(01:32:53):
So you gotta get him in with Deck. You know,
you're right, they could do whatever. I just think they
think this guys like this huge. You know, he's the
face of the franchise. We can't, we can't afford to
let this happen. We gotta let that. We gotta take
care of our men back, and I think that's the
way they're approaching that negotiation. Matt Moseley joining us in

(01:33:15):
the Doug Outlip Show week one of the season. Who
plays at the Cowboys? Oh, I think Zeke gets done
about four days to spare. So they're all there. I mean,
that's not gonna hold out. Mary's fine, They're they're all good,
They're all They'll all be there, and they'll cave on.
They'll get something. You know, they'll try to get something
close to girly where they can almost say he's too

(01:33:36):
in some respect. This contract will be like the number
one running back contract in the NFL. They'll they'll they'll
somehow get it to that point where they can at
least make an argument that it's, uh, that is that way.
So yeah, they're not gonna start to Cherry learned his
lesson years ago. He started to see was throughout him
it and he got they got. They lost two games
with oh and two they won a Super Bowl that year.

(01:33:57):
Jerry is not going to let uh this season gets
started without Zee, So we'll see. I I didn't think
I was shocked that he didn't show up. It can't
so you know, we could be wrong about this, but
I I think I think Zeke will be there, So everybody,
everybody's gonna show up and and they'll be ready to roll.
You know, Uh, Redskins, Giants and Dolphins aren't exactly the

(01:34:21):
seventy two Dolphins that they're gonna play against, right, I mean,
so I do actually think that they can win some
games without them. But it's it's all right. Here's the question.
Are they as good as they think they are? I don't.
I don't know because I just have no clue about this,
Kelly Moore, but they are? They are? They are? I

(01:34:43):
mean anything, Listen, we had Brandon Weeden not earlier, and
he was and and look, Weeden is as as nice
and political as he can be. But he's like, look,
there's just not a lot to what they what they've done,
you know, I mean, anything is more creative than Scott
linahand like Scott linehand is uh you remember the as
an offensivecording or he reminds me of what's the guy

(01:35:06):
he um parus Bueller's day offer? You go Bueller? Do
you ben Stein? Yeah? Yeah, you Ben Stett offense reminds
me of Ben STEINH mean yeah, you should go with that.
I like, I like where you're going with that? No, no, no,
but hey he's gone, let the hands gone. I know,
I know. So now you have Kellen Moore, who, like
You're I'm not sure about it. Anything is more creative

(01:35:27):
than what they had before. Yeah, oh, you're gonna see
all sorts of pre snap magic. The one thing I'll
say is that the thing they are at least, I mean,
there's those receivers in the line hand they weren't even
coming back for the ball. I mean, you're seeing better routes. Obviously,
a Mari will have another year with Doc, another off
season with Dec. They totally have a chance to get

(01:35:49):
back to the division playoff game. And and I mean,
and I mean it's a it's you know, it's a tough,
but think about this, uh, think about this NFC East.
I mean, is he got to You've got to dry,
You've got to like four and twelve type teams. I mean,
so you could stack up some wins. It's just between
you and the Eagles. And and are you gonna tell
me the Eagles? But people are jumping on this Eagles thing. Goodness,

(01:36:12):
I don't know. I mean, I don't love wins. I
do love wins, but I I don't think that the
Cowboys have really stacked this defensive line and this linebacker corps.
Dog this is I mean, you name me some better
linebackers right now. That that vander esh Shalen thing and
then you've got Sean Lee in their base defense. This
is ah. I mean, you know, I'm no shill, I'm

(01:36:34):
no Cowboys fan, but they got something. They they have
put something together here, so absolutely they could be you know,
and uh, well, before Weedon gets too uh, before he
gets too critical, I might have to pull some of
Weeden's numbers out when he was with the Cowboys. So
you know, only what he said was like they wouldn't
him do anything? So well, all right, I was, I

(01:36:55):
was covering all that. Would I tend to agree with them,
So that guy goes back to you know, the Pokes.
I get it. I mean, I'm you know, I don't
want to disperage the name of Weedon. Guy. You should
see this Baylor team in Italy right now. This basketball team,
good gosh, this is like a dark horse Final four team.
Are you in Italy? Are you in Italy? You are

(01:37:17):
you watching? I'm watching all this stuff though, and I
Scott called me, came on the show yesterday from Italy.
He was in Venice. I mean, they got a team,
they got an absolute team right now. And I know, uh,
your old buddy friends all going crazy over tech. Oh
my guys, they're over here in the Bahamas. Everybody looks

(01:37:38):
good in the Bahamas. Who doesn't look good in the Bahamas?
I mean if you're over in the free in the
you know, in Atlantis, every team looks good. But this
this guy Drew team. I'm telling you, uh, Doug, you
you gotta get on board. I want you to be
first to talk about this thing. I will, I will
be I will be a second because you just talked
about him. By the way, Baylor football, bat Bailor football.

(01:37:59):
How how back are they? I don't know, like eight
wins back? They're good. They're okay, okay, yeah, yeah, but
they're I mean Texas and uh, oh you man, this
this is like a big thing now. And then that
Matt Campbell is a great coach at Iowa State. But
uh but this Texas, oh you thing, you've got to

(01:38:20):
legitimate top ten and oh here's another thing. I'm gonna
tell you that you'll love this because I do this.
But nobody's you know, not as many people are listening
to me as you um Ellinger as a dark horse.
Heispan candidate. You should jump on that, like he's plus two.
Last time I looked here, he was like whatever is
it plus or minus plus two thousand? I don't know

(01:38:41):
my gambling minus when he's a favorite, minus would be
a favorite. So plus plus plus two thousand, yeah, plus
two thousand, Yeah, it's I know he's I know some
people who know him. He's an incredible kid, incredible personal story.
But can you throw a football? Oh? Yeah, he's a
monster too, he's like six three. I know he's a monster.

(01:39:04):
I know he's a great athletic competitor. No, no, no,
you know he he is. Uh, I mean hurts. It's
gonna be interesting. It's really gonna be interesting because if
they beat L s U. If Ellen or beat L
s U, this thing's gonna go crazy if if they
if they beat L s U in Austin, that's a
game you should totally come to, Doug. Yeah, you need,

(01:39:26):
you need to come to. My son has his first
my son has his first tackle football game that day.
Oh sorry, okay, well that's more important. I get know.
I would, I totally would. I totally wanted to. I
actually wanted to do that one uh two weeks. A
couple of weeks after that, they play Oklahoma State in Austin.
That sounds like my jam Yeah, yeah, you could. You
could come see your old year old school. Yeah, you
should totally do that. All right, we'll talk soon. Mostly, well,

(01:39:49):
you've completely derailed the show. I appreciate your insight on
the Cowboys and we'll talk to you soon. Alright, buddy,
I'll see you soon. Be sure to catch live edition.
So the Doug Dot Leap Show week days at noon
Easter three pm Pacific. Oh yeah, do you want to bet?
Uh first game of the season in college football is

(01:40:11):
Miami versus Florida. Now this isn't any sort of SEC bias,
but I think Dan Mullen, of course, remember he ended
last season ended last season with four straight wins. Granted
against Michigan they didn't have four starters, but doing so
with Phelippe Franks is just up and down at quarterback. Uh.

(01:40:33):
They lost to Georgia, lost to Missouri, lost Kentucky. Those
are their three loss in his first season. They're better
this year. They're legit top ten team this year. Then
I look at the Miami Hurricanes, the team they're gonna
take take on, and like, look, this is a team
that I don't think they knew they were gonna run
Mark Rick or Mark Rick retired or whatever when they did,

(01:40:57):
and I do believe that ultimately they'll be fine, And
eventually they'll be fine. But Florida Miami seems like a
complete mismatch, and the line is seven a half. I
think only because they both occupy the same state. Give
me Florida. Give me Florida just better program, better on

(01:41:18):
the offensive and defensive lines, and frankly better and more
experienced at quarterback. Give me the Give me the Gators
at seven. It's at seven a half. I liked it
before it was at six and a half. Now and
seven half, it'll probably eight or eight and a half.
I kick off. I still like the I still like
the Gators. You want to bet, is jay Z really

(01:41:41):
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about this for some chalk. Houston Astros played tonight. That's

(01:42:30):
not a big deal, right, Well, they play at home
against the Detroit Tigers. Here's the kicker on it. Line
opened up for Houston at minus fo It's now at
Houston minus five fifty, so basically at the wager five
fifty dollars just to win one dollars. That's the biggest
favorite ever. That's according to Caesar Sports Book as of

(01:42:51):
Today's a fair last highest Dodgers five against the Braves
back in two thousand sixty, and they won that ball game.
But previous two Astros against the Orals they lost. They
were minus four sixty. Minnesota was minus four thirty five
against the Nationals. They also lost that ball game as well.
Dodgers are big favorites with Walker Bueller minus three seventy

(01:43:14):
against the Blue Jays they beat sixteen to three last night.
Bochet though you see him going yard? He did. He
got great hair, he does. He's got a good flow.
He's got a really good flow. I think I beat
sixteen to three, So I can't go that crazy over
home run. Yeah, we have too, so I can keep
the yard ball in the park. But whatever, would you

(01:43:36):
ever touch a game like this Houston Detroit? Uh? Yeah,
I'd probably bet the favorite, just, you know, something smaller,
just to make sure I've won. I don't know. I
don't know enough about betting. Baseball seems really hard. I've
been a big I've been a big proponent of in
game betting for baseball, which is coming, and I think

(01:43:56):
that's a great way to I don't know, the same
sport doesn't have to be saved, but the sport can be.
I can evolve. And I mean think of in game
betting and playoff baseball, striker ball, gonna hit a hit
or not? Like what the what's what's gonna happen? Just
making everybody gets you have a have a section, you
know that has cocktails and cocktail waitresses and whatever, and

(01:44:17):
you get hitting an iPad and you know, you load
it up with a hundred bucks or a couple hundred
bucks and you gambled during the game, would be amazing.
Have you been to Legassi Stadium at Venetian? No, Legassi
Stadium is that it's a sports bar and restaurant underneath
the Venetian and they actually have live betting that was
available before live live betting came online. And what you

(01:44:39):
basically do is you give the attendant your credit card
and they hand you back what looks like a game
boy and you just have a small pen that goes
in there. And so any game that's going on, National
Football League, college football, whatever it may be, you just
click it, you go and it gives you all kinds
of options, so you can live bet, you can do
quarter bets, you can do half bets, whatever it may be.
But it's a it's pret it's pretty interesting, especially when

(01:45:01):
you get you throw a couple back. I love it.
I said this much justin Verlander going tonight for the
Houston Astros. Meanwhile, you mentioned it with the National Football League.
I guess it's TMZ versus Oh jay Z. What's going
on right now? Jason luckin Forest saying with right now,
TMZ is reporting multiple people connected to the National Football

(01:45:22):
League ownership group also say right now that Jay Z
is not going to be an owner right now. Just
the partnership is a long term play that could eventually
become him becoming an owner. But that's a far cry
from what's happening right now with his immediate partnership with
the league. So eventually it'll be an owner right now,
not so much, correct, minority owner. That's about it. Well,

(01:45:44):
that being said, we stick with the National Football League. Doug,
I don't know if you saw this a couple of
days ago, actually, I think it was yesterday, Carly Lloyd
kicking field goals for the Philadelphia Eagles fifty five yards out.
And right now Matt Naggy is taking a little heat
from Chicago Bears in the media right now. He had
nine kickers try out. Nine kickers, according to Sports Illustrated Today,

(01:46:08):
and a couple of them were quoted anonymously about the process.
And now you said, quote, I understand we brought in
a lot of kickers that came in here. To me,
I look at it as a positive and fact we're
gonna say we're gonna turn the ball over every time. Well,
we're gonna turn over every stone right now and see
and find out whoever is available to kick us some
field goals. Obviously he's hurt by last season's Cody Parky

(01:46:28):
missed field goal from forty three yards out. Wait, so
he's catching a lot of heat for why for not
inviting her? No, for just I'm just using as an example.
But he brought in nine kickers though for tryouts. It's
hard to kicker things hard because you can pick the
right guy. Can you get it in the in the
regular like Cody Parkey when Cody Parky signed with the
UM with the Dolphins the year before, I know, with

(01:46:49):
the Bears last year, like the Dolphins wanted to keep
him Cody, they just had more money. He was the
he was the kicker on the market, young guy, big leg, accurate,
you know um And I actually called, you know, I
got a chance to do one sideline for one game
that was again he missed a game winner for the
Bears against the Dolphins. That was against his old team,
and it just kind of got it got worse after that.

(01:47:11):
So you can sign a guy who is the right
guy and then all of a sudden they're not afterwards,
no doubt. Um, are you excited about the XFL? Yeah, alright,
more football is fine, nothing wrong with that. Well, we
got eight team names that came down the wire today.
Hit me with him. What are the team names? Dallas Renegades,
Houston Roughnecks. Roughnecks makes sense, that's a that's a oil term.

(01:47:35):
How about this Los Angeles Wildcats. I don't love it?
New York Guardians, St. Louis battle Hawks, Seattle Dragons kind
of like it, Tampa Bay Vipers, and the Washington Defenders.
Ella got the Wildcats? Talk about mailing it in? Nick?

(01:47:58):
Naming your naming your your sports team. The Wildcats is
like a woman wearing flats on a on a date
with a new guy. Like that is mailing it in. Man,
you gotta look out for that. Now. That's brutal. Uh.
Draft scheduled for October, minicamp opens up in December, and
a training camp full blown January of twenties. We're looking

(01:48:21):
forward to all that. How about this? Your Jets been
hit with a couple of injuries and now a suspension.
Outside linebacker Brandon Copeland suspended for the first four games
the upcoming season for p E. D S keep in
mind one of their starters, Aby Williamson, he's done for
the season as well. He's on I R with a
knee injury, so he's done. And obviously Copeland gone for

(01:48:42):
the first four games. So um, je Jets looking like
the Jets. Huh Yes, basically Jets doing Jets things. And
that's the press. Get out there and pressed. That was
the press music. You wanna throw some movies out there?
I mean, like you know, I would easily go shosh
Anchor Deemption and Hunt for October as as two really

(01:49:04):
good ones. I am an Empire strikes back guy. Everybody
knows my favorite line is I love you Harrison Ford
saying I know, Um, I'll go uh. I'm a big
fan of Christopher Nolan films as well, So I go
Dark Night, always a good one. Um, through a little
Quentin Tarantino in there, go Reservoir Dogs, right, maybe some
good fellows, good fellas. I'm gonna get the papers, get

(01:49:25):
the papers, get the papers, get the papers. Go a
little dark here, but it's always a good movie. Seven
seven seven is a tough one. Seven is a tough one, ending,
very very tough one, but it's good net It's excellent
in it. I will say Gascon with some good ones,
though I would have also included Inception and Brave Heart,

(01:49:46):
but I didn't want to just piggyback off of his. Yeah,
I mean the Christopher Nolan. Uh. Batman ones are really
really good. Probably the last one would be the best one,
but totally disagree. No, I'm not even close. Batman is
the best one. Batman begin I've defended you, but now
you do have bad taste. Three is trash? What is

(01:50:07):
wrong with you? It was great seconds. I thought it
was great. What's the matter like? It was good, but
it was not better than Dark Knight. Dark Knight was
Dark Knights with Heath Ledger. Yes, that's the best one. Okay,
thank you, we can add on a good note. Thanks stuff.
You're you guys right, I'm not. I'm not always right,
but like, look the idea that like somehow Ryan Smith

(01:50:28):
is the all knowing being by the movie just because
I I like the last Star Wars. I also watching
with my daughter that makes it kind of cool is
our thing. And now we watched you watch The Office too?
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