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May 7, 2020 44 mins

Doug tells you why NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has a lot in common with Michael Jordan when it comes to operating the NFL business as opposed to the NBA and how they operate. He also tells you why we like some dynasties in sports more than other especially when you look at the Golden State Warriors. Plus, long time NFL Insider Peter King joins the show to tell Doug if the NFL will start the regular season on time and if Taysom Hill is the Saints QB of the future. 

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of the Doug Gotli Show on Fox Sports Radio. Now
I understand that time is on the side of Roger Goodell.
Time is on the side of Roger Goodell. His season
hasn't started. Their ability to pull off the draft um
which there's no games, you don't actually have to have

(00:43):
the human interaction. But it went off without a hitch.
It's more the way in which Goodell handled it, much
like he handles most things. You know, there's there's a
certain part of your brain, and some people's is maybe

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bigger or more powerful and more part of their personality,
and some people's it's a smaller part of their brain
of who they are, of their personality, And I don't
even necessarily know if it's empathy. You have to you
have to listen to everyone, but that doesn't mean, you
have to hear everyone's complaint or everyone's wishes as we

(01:29):
wait and see with Adam Silver, and they're gonna have
a They're gonna have a call tomorrow with all of
the players in the NBA. You imagine that zoom call
four current players in the in the NBA. They're gonna
have a call tomorrow for all NBA players And and
this is this is a mistake, but this is who

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Adam Silver is because Adam Silver has has created a
solid reputation as being a commissioner who not only listens
to but here's the players listeners to. But here's the players. Now, look,
you're gonna have this at home. If you're married in

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that you're gonna have to listen to and sometimes here
your wife. But sometimes you have to tune it out
because you have to know what's best the person who
is the primary breadwinner, and it could be women in
a relationship. Many of you might be a stay at
home dad. I'm sorry if the dynamics are as such
and you don't like it if you're a stay at

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home dad, But the fact is that you've gotta make
money in order to survive, and so following and that
doesn't mean that every decision is made simply based upon
the bottom line and how much money. But if there's
a region of the country where you can have a
job and you don't have one currently, or you can
make substantially more, that's where you're gonna live, whether you

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like it or not, and you just gotta make it work.
The NBA desperately badly needs to be on air right now.
As as as social media popular as the NBA is,
the fact is their ratings have been down, and everything

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that's on TV right now is ratings are up because
there's nothing else on. People people would have you convinced,
if you simply followed social media that the NBA is
closing in on the NFL and the NFL is a
dying enterprise, when in fact, the NFL is the opposite. Right,

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the NFL's numbers for a virtual draft were greater than
that of all but two or three NBA regular season games.
I mean, it's it's ridiculous. It's and you know how
many people who not don't necessarily even like football, play
fantasy football, which is the hook. It fits into our schedule.
It's better on TV. You know, it doesn't mean you

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want your kid to play it, but you still love it,
love watching it. It's a part of who you are
and what makes your city or what makes your team special.
But some of that is also Roger Goodell and that
he's kept his eyes on the prize. Is it fair
to the folks of Jacksonville that they've consistently lost games
to London? Nope? But you know what, that's the one.

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That's the way one. They create a new revenue stream,
a different time of data, broadcast games, and it's the
only way they can keep a football team in a
market the size of Jacksonville. So deal with it. There
is some ugliness to the sport of football, right, it's
not all perfect. But the reason that Goodell not only

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kept his job through the Ray Rice thing and through
some of these other missteps of NFL players, the national
anthem controversy. They had a year where the ratings were down,
all right. They struggled with the Thursday Night package. The
Thursday Night package was struggling, and you know what he did.

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He parried it down from tow different networks to one
network and got more money. If that's that's not leadership,
if that's not business sense, I don't know what is,
and whatever you think of the NFL and their plan
to go forward, they're gonna have a season, come hell
or high water, starting at the exact same time they

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thought they were gonna start. And they'll figure out whether
or not all the fans, some of the fans, or
none of the fans can make it. This that this
may sound odd, but I watched the Jordan's documentary, and
I've been told that seven and eight, which come out Sunday,
make the point even more clear. Goodell and Jordan's actually

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have a good deal in common. And at the end
of the day, he's gonna win, right, He's gonna walk out,
And it wouldn't stunn anyone if when he's finished being
commissioner for the first time ever, the NFL is on
every major network. ESPN wants to move My and Football
back to ABC. It's already on Fox, It's on CBS,

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it's on NBC de spite of the fact that former
players had a lawsuit where the NFL is gonna have
to pay out nearly a billion dollars, and we would
all conclude it is a really ridiculously dangerous sport, both
while you're playing and then after you're playing. In spite
of all of that, it'll be on four networks. The

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Super Bowl numbers continue to go up. Fantasy football makes
it a ton of money. They're expanding into markets, not
decreasing the market size. They they're ahead of the curve
in the new cb A allows them to have legalized
sports gambling in the stadiums where it's legal within that state.
He's ahead on so many things. Meanwhile, Adam Silver is

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is is rightfully concerned about the health of his players,
but so much so that it's overwhelming him in his
inability to get his league to move forward and get
to the play offs, which would be well regarded, would
spike the ratings and would regrow the shrinking brand of
the NBA. Look, I I talked to somebody who is

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involved with the NBA, and he's like, look, Adam silver
is brilliant. He is a brilliant dude. He is. He
has a strong amount of empathy within his personality, within
his brain, within his being. He is. He is not
a guy who you don't think as a great dude.
I just had a conversation with, But he's been so

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player friendly. Right. Players aren't businessmen. Some are, but by
and large, the players business is just that of a
basketball player, whereas the owners as uh as singularly focused
as some of you may think they are. You don't

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have a billion or two billion, or three billion or
whatever million dollars if you haven't figured out how to
consistently make it work through trying times, how to push through.
And it doesn't mean you lack empathy, but you kind
of quelled that empathy in an effort to continue to
make more and more money, right, Like, you have to

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figure out a way to push through. And silver Dust
just doesn't seem to have that bone yet, hate fellas
Let's get back to work. Well, I don't know, let's
get back to work. I've I've just been told that
he's lost lost that leverage, right that the players expect

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to not not only have him listen, but have him
hear them and their concerns for their family. And look,
the players, a lot of them, some of them have
gotten their all their money already, and and many of them,
while they would lose some money, like what's the purpose
to be coming back and playing instead of And this

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has always been a clause for every commissioner in baseball
and basketball and football. A commissioner can do something because
it's in the best interest of the sport. Right. You
can kick a guy at the sport because it's in
the best in transport, you can get rid of an
owner because in the best room, it's it's the ultimate.
Because I said so, card that only parents know that
they have right? Why why do I have to read
right now? Because I said so? Why Why can't I

(09:27):
have ice cream? Because I said so? Why do we
have to open up all facilities in open states and
even ones that aren't. I mean, look, go to the
governor's get them declared an essential business. This is not
that hard. But because you have pushback from some people,

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Adam Silver has his eyes slightly off the prize. His
job is not to make everybody happy. His job is
to make the sport better. His job is to make
more money for the owners and more money for the league,
which allows the players then in turn to make more money.

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But by by contrast, did you see the memo that
Roger Goodell sent out? Did anybody see it? I mean, look,
it told teams don't comment, don't say nothing, you disagree,
don't care, don't say a word. You know, like, here's
Goodell's power. They sent on a memo right before the draft.
Don't anybody tip pics? Did anybody tip pics? Damn right,

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they didn't. You know why because the Goodell said so.
Goodell's the parent that is the strong disciplinarian and does
so for a reason, and his kids end up going
to a good college, getting a good job. Silver is
the one was super super talented kids. Couple become entrepreneurs.

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One becomes a chef, drops out of college, goes to
culinary school. Very talented, but kind of lacking vision and
not crushing in the business world. That that's you want
to be an artist. That's cool running an NBA, running
in the NBA, run the NFL. That's a business. The
NFL needs. The NBA needs to get back to work,
because the NFL at this pace is going to be

(11:14):
back to work even though their seasons not until September.
This is about leadership. You don't have to like Goodell.
He's doing a better job than Adam Silver. Be sure
to catch the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show
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Radio and the I Heart Radio Whap. JP Morosi John
Paul Morosi covers Major League Baseball UH for UM for Fox,

(11:40):
of course, the home of the All Star Game and
of the World Series JP. I've read Passon's story. I'm
wondering what your senses of where baseball is in terms
of recovering well, dog, a good afternoon. Baseball right now
is is not yet at a spot where they made
a final decision on what the plan will be and
even how many different iterations of the plan will exist

(12:00):
within the plan, because I think that when you consider
UH the dynamic and changing nature of of COVID nineteen
and how governments and and public health officials are responding
to it, there's gonna have to be various hinges within
that that idea going forward about UH if there are
hot spots of the virus, how they would manipulate the
schedule to conform with that and try to get as

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many games in as is safe to do so. But
I do believe that, as Jeff has reported, that in
the next week or so, we're gonna see UH something
tangible that the Union is gonna be able to really
look at it think about. But it's good too, Doug.
There's time between now and when spring training would have
to get underway in a month, because there's gonna have
to be some time that goes into discussing the particulars

(12:44):
of the agreement and also uh making sure that on
the governmental public health side, that the testing protocol and
capacity of the country and the various states and cities
is up to the level where the Commissioner has set
his own standard, which is that baseball will not come
back until we are certain that it's not compromising the

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bandwidth of testing for society at large. It's a pretty
high bar for for the game to be able to
get to in versus for society to get to. And
I think by all accounts so we're not quite there yet. Yeah,
But I mean, like looking in Los Angeles, you can
get a test if you wanted, um, you know, And
and part of it is, look, you're planning for a
future where there's a ton of unknown and you need

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to build up so that they've told players to start
to get yourself ready, but they wouldn't be ready to
go for a season until July, well right now, Doug.
And it's a it's a fair question, but it will
take a degree of time to just simply begin spring training.
And and with spring training, you still have the biggest
question here, and the biggest concern for teams is picture

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and and to have enough runway for them to get
ready before the season begins. And even then, you're probably
going to have roster has report at least anywhere between
twenty nine thirty players to make sure that you have
enough pitching to support the fact that you probably have
to have piggyback starts, uh four innings and then four
innings maybe or or your even your best starters probably

(14:15):
can only go four to five innings for the first
month or so with the season. So it's an acknowledgement,
Doug that that not everybody in the country and certainly
outside of the country in some cases, has been able
to maintain the same level of workout. And I think
that that, uh, there's there's a competitive fairness question that
goes into I think putting on the best and fairest

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competition that you can That goes far beyond simply just
getting the game back on television sets. It's a matter
of making sure that you've got the players in a
position to play the game at something approximating their usual
level of doing something, no question, but baseball is also
I liken to to costco right, like so much of
baseball is about volume, you know, more than about one

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game here, one game there, um, if they play, if
they can get in starting in July, what is the
what is the prospect of the playoffs? Well, there's two
different ways look at the number. One is that by
starting in July you could potentially go as deep as November,
which has been mentioned before in different plans. The other thought,

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and Jeff mentioned this in his report as well in
the last couple of days, that there is, of course
the very real risk, according to many public health officials,
of a second spike of cases or intensifying uh spike
in cases in the in the in the fall, and
if that happens around November, you may want to bring
the season to a conclusion by the end of October

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in hopes of avoiding that, if that's what the modeling
says is most likely to occur. So that would then
therefore be a maybe a July August, September season that's
something around eighty to ninety games, and then an October
playoff that is done by Halloween or thereabouts that would
hopefully avoid the worst of what could be that second
spike in cases John Parbarossi joining us in the Doug

(16:03):
Outlives show on Fox Sports Radio. UM. Okay, So the
tentative plan would they they want to play in the
stadiums that tentative plan? Would it? Um? Would it? Would
it go to the three team divisions or would they
go to the traditional divisions? I think, Doug the most
likely scenario right now, for a variety of reasons involves

(16:24):
those three divisions of ten teams. So all the West
teams are together in one ten team division Central and East,
which simplifies travel. You may even within those divisions, Doug
be able to find travel partners that would play more frequently.
So in other words, that you're the same division of
the Central. Maybe within the Central the Indians and Reds

(16:46):
would play a bunch because they can drive between those
two locations, and the Indians and Tigers a bunch, and
vice versa, so and the White Sox and Cubs, for example.
So you you would find different creative in many cases
cross league ways to schedule the sport so that you
spend a minimum amount of time on long haul trips
that that are just arduous. And and also I guess

(17:08):
I suppose every every minute an hour you spend traveling
is is a potential opportunity to be exposed to the
virus or different situations like that. So I think that
cutting down on the travel is a significant concern. It's
also cheaper when you think about the overall cost of
of the endeavor that baseball is having, and and the
general idea of having the teams in their respective UH

(17:30):
stadiums their home stadiums is really appealing because simply Doug,
it's what the players want. The players want that, and
if if you're gonna ask them to make other sacrifices
as it relates to UM having the consistent testing and
other protocols that are gonna be put in place, temperature checks,
all the hardships in a in a baseball sense, not
when the hardships in a life sense, but uh, in

(17:51):
a in a baseball setting, if you're gonna ask of
them those things that the ability to spend time with
your family for half of the games is going to
be really important to give to the players. John Palm
Rossi Johnny us Dog Gotlip Show here on Fox Sports
Sports Radio. J P I, I guess the part that
most of us are struggling with that don't live in
New York, that haven't haven't gone through kind of a

(18:15):
hardcore case of COVID nineteen. Is nobody's sick, right, like
the people like they're just the numbers aren't there, and
like we don't. Tom Hanks was sick and obviously he
went through it. Um, well, well, what which of the
cuomos was on TV? Chris Cuomo and now that his
wife got sick, right, Obviously Carl Anthony Town's mom died

(18:36):
from it. But for the most part, any of these athletes,
even the NBA players, got it, Like nobody got really sick,
and they're okay. So it's hard to convince the rest
of the world that we're we're have to do all
of this testing, isn't it? I mean to me, Doug Still,
I mean, certainly, I would begin by saying, my my

(18:57):
wife is a physician, so I get I get you know,
her experiences from it every day and understand them. I mean,
she's been involved in taking care of COVID patients. So
it's so on that level, it's a it's a personal
residence for our family. Uh And so I mean for
for me and for those that look at the numbers
and understand where the projections are and and and when when.

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Even even some of the projections that are not worse
case still involved deaths into the six figures, which is
just hard for anybody to possibly bath them. Uh. I
think that from that standpoint, the severity is is obviously
self evident and real, and and the fact that it
is not UM hit the population of pro athletes especially hard.

(19:40):
UM it does not diminish the overall public health emergency
that we have, although to your point, perhaps it it
allows athletes and the sports world of potential to potentially
conceptualize uh their own risk A bit differently. That being said, Doug,
I think we're all still in a situation where uh
oizenship and and taking care of those in our communities

(20:02):
is of paramount concern. And just because the pro athletes
have not been terribly adversely affected in a personal way
by this, broadly speaking, UH, they still have the same
obligations that that all citizens due to wear masks in
public when they're not on the field of play and
and try to mitigate the spread the best they can.
So I I understand where the questions coming from, but

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I just think that in general, the statement that was
made by the Commissioner Baseball, Rob Manford, I think speaks
to that which is baseball as a social institution has
an obligation to not cut the line, so to speak,
and to not uh compromise the overall ability based on
taking tests into the baseball world, uh to be able
to take care of of the patients for the whole world,

(20:46):
which I think is still what the biggest concern. It's
really really fat If you had a guess, you had
a guess, Um, what's what's the most likely scenario? I think, Doug,
I'm I'm an optimist by nature, and and as as
I said, uh, I I have my my daily conversations
and my my conversation partner with my wife where she's
a bit more of a realist because of what she

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does for a living. Um. And so I still think
that we will have baseball games in July. I really
do think that. And and where and when and the
exact number of games I don't know. And will they
have to move the game somewhere else at the end,
that's a great question as well. But I do believe
Doug that we will have baseball in July. JP, great stuff,

(21:27):
ben Um. Interesting. We're not talking about the Astros and
the cheating scandal anymore, or the Red Sox and the
light punishment they seem to get. Instead, we just want
the sport back. We appreciate and we we appreciate you
join us too and tell your wife to be well. Thanks,
we will, and thanks for the well wishes there and
always appreciate the conversation. Do a great job, of course,
across all the different platforms. Zug and great to be
on the show with you today. Thanks. That's John Paul

(21:48):
Morossy on the Discover Card Guest Hotline. Be sure to
catch the live edition of The Doug gott Leap Show
weekdays at three pm Easter noon Pacific. Clay Thompson was
on a doc commentary called Above the Water, a short
documentary on what he's doing about his rehab and return
from from his a c L entry which was suffered
last year in the NBA Finals in Games six. It

(22:10):
just kills me inside when I see other teams making
many talking heads and some of my peers saying the
dynasty is over. They had a great run. I'm just
eager to prove everyone wrong again. Look, I actually agree
with Clay. I think the Warriors are gonna be really good.
My my fear with this year was that Steph would

(22:31):
get worn down from trying to carry the team, and
that didn't happen because he got hurt, so they ran
the benefit of staff basically missed the year and kind
of recharged his battery. Like look the Warriors, they won
two would have won a third title if they didn't
get hurt. Sorry, Toronto, that bother your feelings don't care.

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Went to six games with half of their team and
actually most of their team getting all banged up. Kevin
Brandt played one half of one game. He plays, they win,
Clay Thompson plays the whole time. They still may win.
There's a bunch of other Injries Looney, I don't even
get get into if they were healthy. The Warriors are
better than they win, and then their their dynasty still
probably breaks up. They won too, and they almost take

(23:15):
a sabbatical. Yes, Clay suffering a c L, but an
a c L has not been a career eliminary is
has not minimized others careers when it's been suffered in
the middle. Do I think Steph will ever be a
unanimous m v P again. No, I actually like the
addition of Andrew Wiggins, not as their best players second

(23:35):
best player, but as their third best scorer. Don't mind
it at all. And they're very likely to get a
top three pick in the upcoming draft, which doesn't mean
they'll get a star, but gives them the chance to
move that pick or keep it and have some more
youth off the bench with a very young talented player.
But I think the reason we liked the dynasty originally

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is the reason we didn't like the Dynasty with Kevin Durant.
And it wasn't just adding a guy who you had
beaten and won a championship to a seventy three win team.
To me, that wasn't what it was about. It's this
is kind of unspoken about the Bulls. Yes, the Bulls
added Rob and yes the Bulls traded for for Cartwright.
Yes the Bulls made some additions, and you know whether

(24:17):
it was John Paxson starting over Craig Hodges the year
they wanted and then they but they drafted B. J. Armstrong,
Horace Grant, Scottie Pippen. Scotty Pippen was a draft day trade.
But Horace Grant Jordan's Pippen, Tony Coo coach. Those are
all Bulls draftees. They were a homegrown team. He didn't

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just like him because it was m J. You liked
him because those guys were They came up together like
the the Big Three for the Celtics when you had
Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett to go with Paul Pierce
was a life for Celtic and Rondo was a draft
pick of the Celtics. But we don't have his great
affinity for the or for the Miami Heat that we're

(25:02):
kind of put together. But for the most part, I
think we one of the biggest infatuations with the Bulls
was I know Rodman was added in and others, Ron
Harper was added into the mix, but a lot of
their talent was homegrown. And I think that we'll have
a if the Warriors get back to making a run
back with their core three dudes, four dudes, I think

(25:24):
you'll have a much stronger affinity for that Warrior's team
then you did for the last Warriors team, even if
it's only the addition of Kevin Kevin Durant. Fox Sports
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(25:48):
here on the Doug Otlip Show on Fox Sports Radio
Football Morning in America and for NBC Sports. Peter, what's
your reaction to pass interference review being taken back out
of the game. Well, they never they they they didn't
do what they said they were going to do. And

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when this was passed, UH in March of two thousand nineteen,
at the league meetings in Phoenix, we were told. Everybody
in the league was told. The media was told. A
lot of interviews UH in Phoenix. I remember it with
Sean Payton and with Rich McKay of the Competition Committee

(26:31):
owners and hey, grade, we're finally going to be able
to get a fail safe for this terrible play. Nobody
ever said that day We're only going to call this
in big games, or if it's a twenty point game
in the fourth quarter, we're going to ignore it. Nobody
ever said that, But that's exactly how they officiated it.

(26:52):
And I blame Roger Goodell, Al Rivern, Rich McKay. I
don't really necessarily blame McKay because he was on the
rules committee that changed the rule. I blame the league
for changing a rule and not enforcing it because there
were three or four plays last year DeAndre Hopkins in

(27:14):
the end zone in the Houston Baltimore game where he
was absolutely undressed in the end zone and wasn't called.
It's just, you know, time and again last year we
saw it, and you know, shame on the NFL honestly
for approving a rules change and then never adjudicating said

(27:35):
rules change. It was a dumb uh, it was. It
was just a dumb thing for the NFL to do.
If you're if you are going to change the rule,
then change the rule. Peter Kate didn't Peter King joining
us on Fox Sports Radio. Now that we've all had
a chance to kind of catch our breath, right and
and really kind of take in the NFL draft, what what?

(27:56):
What are people in the league saying about the Jordan
Love pick ian Green Bay. Oh, everybody was surprised, and
I think most people feel that that kind of pick
was a year or two early. But honestly, uh, it's
it's it's so much like what has happened with the

(28:17):
two mentors um of Brian Goodkins, the Packers general manager.
And make no mistake, Doug, this was Brian goodkins call.
This was not Matt Lafleur's call. Brian Goodkins has uh
has the ability uh contractually, uh, you know, to take
whoever he wants. He's he's the boss. And you know,

(28:41):
early on in his uh scouting career, he saw Ron
Wolfe trade a first round pick for a fat second
round quarterback who had a poor rookie year in Atlanta,
Brett Farvee. And then you know, the next his next
mentor that was with Ron wolf His next men tour
was Ted Thompson. And in two thousand five, you know,

(29:04):
with Brett farve really having probably three or four years left,
even though even at the time he was he was
posturing that he might not play and all that stuff, Um,
they drafted Aaron Rodgers. So the Green Bay Packers basically
have always been about the long haul. And even though
it would have been far better for them for now,

(29:27):
for a thirteen and three team with a massive wide
receiver problem, it would have been better if they took
Tee Higgins, Brian Goodkin said, you know, I gotta care
also about two thousand. This is what I'm gonna do,
Peter King, our guests on Fox Sports Radio. Cam Newton
came out today is willing to at least consider being
a backup quarterback. But you know, look, there's there's a

(29:50):
mental change that you have to make where the backup
quarterback has to get the starter ready. None of these
teams with young starters want to have a former league
MVP behind him. Um what what? Where are the what
he's talking about perfect situations? Where where are the perfect
situations to be a backup that still exists? I don't
see a single one. I mean, if I'm Cam Newton,

(30:12):
I'm not signing anywhere right now to be a mistake.
He should he should wait. He should wait and see
if somebody gets hurt. Can you imagine if Gardner Minshew,
if he signs in Jacksonville and Gardner Minshew gets hot
at the beginning of the season, how do you think
Cam Newton is going to enjoy holding a clipboard for

(30:33):
Gardner Minshew. I mean, and I'm not criticizing Gardner Minshew.
I love Gardner Minshew, but I'm saying that this is
the guy was the m v P five years ago
who apparently is healthy. But the problem right now with
this offseason, Doug and everybody is trying to look for
all these theories. Geez, why is nobody signing him? There's
two basic reasons. Number one, they can't give him a physical,

(30:54):
and number two, they can't really talk to him face
to face, man to man to find out are you
gonna be okay if you don't start here. So the
way to fix this is to wait for quarterback X
to tearr his a c O on September. And I'm
I'm I'm trying not to be snide. No, no, no,
but just be honest. I mean, look, yeah, we we

(31:17):
went through this, Peter, which which you're like, Look, I
don't think I don't think some of these offenses are
a great fit for him, you know, whether it's West
Coast or whether it's Kyle Shanahan's. But you know, between
Deshaun Watson, Lamar Jackson, uh, some of these you know, um,
you know, uh, Josh Allen in Buffalo. And and look,
I understand that that if if they thought Brandon being

(31:40):
thought so highly of him during his time in Carolina,
he might already have gotten the call. Maybe he has
to be there, but now you can Now you can
essentially be everybody's potential replacement instead of limiting yourself to
one team. Yeah, that's and that's why if I'm Cam Newton,
I'm just sitting back waiting, stay in good shape. Uh,
enjoy life, and you don't have to kill yourself in

(32:02):
training camp. And then maybe maybe, uh, you know, on
whatever September October, all of a sudden, you've got a team.
Maybe there's a really good team out there that lose
its quarterback and says we're signing Cam Newton. Peter King
our guest in the Doug Gotlip Show here on Fox
Sports Radio. Um, Saints Buccaneers. We don't know much about

(32:25):
the schedule, which is going to be released tonight. We
do know that Saints Buccaneers is Sunday afternoon on Fox
to start the season. Um. I know that Brady is
already trying to get ahead of things, breaking into the
wrong person's home to get Byron left, which is info.
How challenging do we really think? Look, there's gonna be
a limit to whatever O T A S and offseason stuff.

(32:46):
There is even in Florida where everything's opening up. Um,
it's a different crew of wide receivers, different style, right,
He's loved that underneath stuff with slot guys that don't
exist how and and even in New England they were
slow to start. What are your expectations for Brady early
on in Tampa? I think he's gonna play great. I

(33:08):
think he's uh could be harys if you know, an
excellent year, like a top five quarterback year. These are
weapons he really hasn't had in New England collectively? When
is he had three tight ends like this? Now, who
knows if they'll keep all three, but when has he

(33:29):
ever had three tight ends and two of the top
ten receivers in football? And everybody said, well, Mike Evans, yeah,
but Chris Godwin one of the top ten receivers, absolutely precise,
rude runner. He's going to be great for Tom Brady.
And you know, look, when is the last time New
England had the kind of physical six four six five

(33:52):
Randy Moss type? But you know, Mike Evans is more
physical than Randy Moss was. But he's gonna win all
the jumps that Brady puts up there. I I don't
know how Tom Brady couldn't have an incredible year. I don't.
I don't, I don't. I don't fathom how he's not
going to play really well for this team. Uh. Conversely,

(34:14):
you know, New England loses the director of college scouting,
the Dante Scarneckia retires. You know, you you lose Brady,
you weren't gonna have Gronk. But Gronk wants to come
back and play for for Tampa, so you let him go.
They've lost a lot. I trust that Belichick has a
plan to rebuild this thing. But what's it gonna look
like during this season? I don't think anybody really knows that,

(34:38):
you know, I think it's a great question that you ask,
and I don't know. I think that I think the
Patriots this year are going to try to win seventeen
thirteen games. Look at how they drafted, um, you know,
they went so heavy on defense. I would I would
assume that he's going to try to play very much

(35:00):
meat and potatoes football. They don't have a good receiving corps.
They don't have a tight end answer and they may
have one with one of these rookies, but I shouldn't
say they don't have one. We don't know if they
have one yet. But now they've got two young prospects there.
I mean, look, this is this is a team that

(35:21):
is set up to try to win seventeen to thirteen
and set up to try to play for the future.
Um and I'm not saying it's impossible they'd make the playoffs,
but man, their talent is really diminished from what it
was three or four years ago, no question about it.
The great Peter King joining us on the Doug Gottlib Show.
Ben Roethlisberger coming off of Tommy John surgery, he did

(35:43):
sow for five thousand yards through a couple too many
picks going back two years ago, does anybody know what
Big Ben looks like? Or throws like J? J? Glazer
kind of? And I think some of his tongue in
cheeks said, you know, his offseason program is more like
do do a yoga class, play some golf, and drink beer.
You know, he looks like a big grizzly bear, Like,
do we know what he What are the expectations for

(36:04):
him to look like here late stage in his career
coming off the surgery. Quarterbacks usually don't have Yeah, I
mean that's a that's a really good question. Now. I
saw what Jay said and I have absolutely no idea
if that's if that's true, If if Roethlisberger's in bad shape,
I don't I wouldn't know. But you know, when you're

(36:24):
thirty eight years old, you better devote an awful lot
of time in the off seat. And you're coming off
a year where you barely played, you better devote an
awful lot of time to it. And we'll see if
Ben has We may not know until August twentieth, but
it's going to be crucial for him to be in
good shape when he reports, because you're this year, I

(36:44):
don't think you're gonna We're gonna see teams be able
to use training camp to get players in shape. You
you've written about in your columns that Sean Payton swears
by Taysom Hill and they put their money where their
mouth is where he got money, and Jameis Winston really
got third string type money. And and look what we've
talked about how the league is evolving. And if you
look at Taysomhill when he was healthy in college, he

(37:06):
was dynamic? Um, what what? What? What's your honest feeling though?
On Sean Payton? Does are we to believe that he
believes that a guy who was like a slash right
now can truly become his next quarterback. He's going to
have a chance to be that um, But there's no
It's like Bill Parcels used to say, they don't sell

(37:27):
insurance for that stuff. He's not going to go down
on his sword if I mean, let's say that, let's
say that this year breeze goes down and somebody's got
to play two games, or say somebody's gonna play four games.
We'll pay some Hill's almost certainly going to have the
first shot, and if he stinks through two weeks, he'll
play Jamis Winston. And you know, so Peyton, Peyton uh

(37:51):
believes strongly in Taysom Hill believes in him, you know extremely,
He believes in him a lot. But he also understands
that because he's never done it before, he's not going
to leave himself unprotected. And again, I don't know that
in two thousand twenty one, that um that tastes it'll

(38:12):
be Taysom Hill and Jamis Winston. I really don't know.
But he will not leave himself unprotected. He will not
go into with Taysom Hill and nobody at quarterback. Awesome
stuff Peter. You're healthy, You're good, You're you're well. Yeah,
everything is going good in Brooklyn, kind of in the
belly of the beast. And you know, being being an

(38:34):
at home sports writer, I covered the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
draft from the seventh floor of an apartment building in Brooklyn.
It's a weird, weird time in our country and in
our lives. Well, stay safe. We love your work and
we appreciate you join us. Hey, thanks so much appreciated, Doug.
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
dot Leap Show weekdays at three pm Easter noon Pacific

(38:55):
on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app.
We are in the middle, obviously of a pandemic. We
are in the middle of some form of recession, whether
long or short term. Thirty million people have applied for
unemployment benefits and that number is growing, not shrinking. And
even as economies begin to start back up, it's gonna

(39:17):
be a different landscape when we return fully online. And
I think sports are an interest. It's sports are interesting
as well. How what it's what it's gonna look like,
you know, Dennis Dodd's gonna join us up coming from CBS.
CBS sports, and he covers college scholege sports, college football

(39:38):
for a living. But to me, it's going to be fascinating.
Kind of a parallel to to, uh, what you're gonna
look at in college sports or professional sports is what
we're gonna look like in the business world. Here's the
easiest one. Malls. So, malls were struggling. Malls were struggling

(40:02):
before the pandemic. They just were, and many of them
who have found a way to survive have done so
with more restaurants and some entertainment. Right because the shopping
that you do in Banana republican gap in Jay Crew
Nords from whatever you can do online, one click, sent

(40:23):
to your house. You don't like it, you return it.
You don't have to even have to move. And yes,
some of us like the windows shop and walk around,
but window shopping and shopping are two completely different things.
And malls are these big albatrosses. Across the United States,
some of the big box stores have turned into fitness
centers or trampoline parks or whatever. Some of them sit idle,

(40:45):
and some have been made into you know, massive David
Busters away in which you can get a lot of
foot traffic. Now you factor in that people aren't able
to go to restaurants. They've been shopping online anyway, and
you start to wonder if they'll come back at all. Right,
what will happen with these massive and of course how
that affects commercial real estate and all the other parts

(41:06):
of commercial real estate which are important for our economy.
This is interesting. What does our what does the businessword?
What do entrepreneurs look like? In two thousand twenty one?
And beyond sports is much the same. Like I don't
think what's happened to malls wasn't gonna happen eventually. It
just sped up the process. It's like the body had died.

(41:27):
We simply sped up the decay because it wasn't properly covered,
wasn't putting into a coffin, wasn't buried six feet down. Instead,
it was left out in the open, and the decay
happened a lot quicker. That's what's happened to malls. The
same is going to happen to sports, especially collegian sports.
I read an article in Dennis Dodd actually tweeted it out.
A former women's coach Division one, Division three, and she

(41:51):
wrote this really interesting op ed piece on how the
the reality of, Hey, you just can't have a bunch
of athletes come back to campus like nothing is wrong
when they all go to the same training table, they
all go to the same athletic training area where they
can get the same tape job. They you know, they
get the same facilities, and it's just not gonna work. Well,
guess what, I'll just be completely honest with you. You

(42:14):
don't matter that much. You don't, I don't. I actually
believe this has been a long time coming. Very quietly.
Coaches have been speaking out against Title nine without saying
the words title nine. You know, and it's not just
Title nine, it's also men's sports. And it sucks because
I went to school where the wrestling is unbelievable. The

(42:35):
college Wrestling Hall of Fame is basically on the campus
of Oklahoma State, and many of the great wrestlers, Daniel Cormier,
of course, Randy Coutur, those guys were Oklahoma State wrestlers. Wrestlers,
And I'm not saying it's an unbelievable sport, and I
actually think I could be wrong, would be I would
guess Oaklahoma State wrestling actually makes money because for the

(42:57):
big dual meets, they'll sell out the arena, but most
of them just hemorrhage money. I mean, you'll get started
on college softball and soccer and lacrosse, track and field, right,
I mean track and field. This it's gonna look. The
business is gonna look different. Schools are gonna look different.
I mean, why do they want the kids back on campus.

(43:19):
It's not because they can't operate and have and have classes.
They make money when they can. They're back on campus.
Your dopes. Right, we built these dorms, and now the
dorms are ridiculous, right there all beautiful new apartments and
they got pools, and some of the off campus apartments
have like lazy rivers. I don't have you ever been
any of these college apartments in the South, Like they're unbelievable.

(43:40):
They really really. All the sorority and fraternity houses. I
went to the University Alabama. I hadn't been there in
fifteen years. It got ready, Like the fraternity houses and
story house are unbelievable. They're all brand new redone. Somebody
has to occupy them. They gotta pay the bills. The
same will happen with collegiance sports.
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