Reasonable vs. Irrational Fear

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in to the Friday podcast. Tex and Baseball with Bob Nightingale,
talk some football with LaVar Arrington. I got some hoop
thoughts for you. Uh, we got a lot to get
to but but let's start with the thought of the
reasonable versus unreasonable fear, fear of putting college athletes out
on a football field. What up, America, Doug got Leave Show,

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Fox Sports Radio. I hope you're having an outstanding day,
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But soon enough we will have it. And uh, we

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got a lot to talk about today. Got just a
you know, not a seismic amount but we got the
UM we we I'm like looking at my inbox here
and I'm just kind of overwhelmed by stuff. This is
gonna be good. UM, Okay, let's let me get to
a couple of things that that that have been interesting

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to me. Give you, Give you the phone number eight
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reporter will join us upcoming in twenty minutes. We'll get

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his thoughts on the Big Ten's announcement yesterday there will
be no nonconference games. Uh. LaVar Arrington will join us
in an hour and a half, Bob Nightingale will join us,
and UM, I believe we're gonna get Dave Revson, lead
host for the Big Ten Network, get his thoughts on
why the Big Ten shows to really kind of a
week ahead of most people's schedule, announced no nonconference games. Um.

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I've been a parent for fourteen years and um, today
in Newport Beach, California, where I live, there, Uh, there
was a paddle out for a young boy named Johnny
vonder Ay and Johnny is the cousin of our neighbors

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or former neighbors, and there my kids know who he was.
And um, everyone like I live in a in a
neighborhood that's pretty interconnected. There's public school kids as private
school kids. But it's just families, kids, bikes, skateboards, scooters,

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dogs everywhere, right, Like, it's not the perfect picture of
American it's different from some of the other suburbs I've
lived in in Connecticut or lived in Oklahoma City. But
it's for Newport Beach. It's as much a community as
you're gonna find anywhere in California. And this boy was
fifteen years old and he hopped on his skateboard in

(03:20):
his uh in his garage, open up the open up
the garage door, rode the skateboard down the driveway. It
was not even dusk, I don't believe, and got hit
by a drunk driver and I didn't have his helmet on.
And obviously it's neighborhood has been shook up. Shook up.
A paddle out is um, it's a it's actually I

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believe Hawaiian tradition, a surfer tradition. You paddle out outside
the where the waves are. And and here in Newport
Beach you do it um usually around the pier, the
Newport Beach pier, and you say, people say special words,
and there's some things that are thrown in the water
and everybody splashes the water and it's a way of

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honoring and memorializing somebody who he was a talented young
survey just love the ocean. And when you're a parent,
you you have you have to balance between reasonable fear, okay,
reasonable rational fear and irrational fear. Like when I never

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forget this when we first had I had twins first,
and they were in the nick you nick you if
you don't have kids, as the Neo NATO intensive care unit.
They were premious. They were born thirty weeks five days.
Full term for a singleton is forty weeks. For twins,
it's you know, in the thirty six to thirty eight weeks,

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so they were previous. They were three and a half
pounds essentially, and and the knock on wood um. You know,
with the exception of one of my daughters having asthma
lung issues, they're as healthy and annoying as any other
four year olds on the face of the earth. And
I remember a couple of different stages of when they

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were babies. One stage was when they were I don't know,
seven months old, eight months old, and they started rolling
over and we would actually take turns I don't know why,
staying up at night because they would in the middle
of night, they'd roll over, and you like want to
make sure they're still breathing, because I don't. It's not

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really the way that sids work in terms of child
you know, suffocation. But I don't know. And and my
my wife said, nurse like we knew better. But we
had this irrational fear, both of us, of something happening
to our children, something happening to our children like we
would have at the time. We both worked and or
she was finishing up nursing school early on UM and

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so you know, I didn't work in the morning. Then
I was doing nighttime radio, and so in the afternoon
evening we would have somebody a friend of mine, actually,
Dave Revson's nanny. That's a good he's joining us day.
He had twins or a year older, and she would
come over and spend the time and my wife we
literally never left the kids home alone with anybody, and
maybe it tell family, and it was any irrational fear,

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irrational unreasonable fear that something would happen, you know, to
our children and knock on wood. Thankfully nothing happened. That
That doesn't mean you want to be irresponsible and just
leaving with any straining knock on the door. Hey, do
you like kids cool? Did you have kids that survived
your you're you're rearing cool? Here's a couple of children

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for you like nas not really the way it works,
but you we had this irrational fear of like sids,
for like rolling over. We have all kinds of irrational
fears that creep through your head because I don't know,
you see a baby. You've never felt any any amount
of love like you love your children, and whether it's

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the fifteen year old down the street who I think
a reasonable fear is your kid falls off his bike
or get struck by a car, or isn't looking, isn't
paying attention, flips out their cell phone while they're riding
their bike or their scooter, and something bad happens. Have
it's reasonable to say, hey, that can be dangerous. You
have to you can't keep them in a wrapped in
bubble wrapped their whole life. But what streets did they

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go down in order to get from point A to
point B? And are they wearing a helmet? That's reasonable,
that's rational. But keeping them inside for months on end
because you're worried about the world outside and turning them
into agoraphobes, that's not reasonable and rational. It's just not
And I think we have to be careful about that

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with football. Right, football is not a safe game. Now
we've made it, and we attempt to make it safer
than it has been taken away hits with a crown
of the helmet, leading with the helmet. Obviously, spearing has
been taken off quarterbacks. You can't hit knee year below
head or above right, you have concussion protocols. But but

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football is a violent game, violent game, and when you
get to the collegiate and the professional level, it's an
extremely violent game played by remarkable athletes. And so you're
never really safe. Right, But if you sign a play football,
there's a reasonable expectation of level of safety that even

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if you are going to get hit, the other person
is not trying to intentionally harm you. Doesn't mean harm
won't exist. Doesn't mean they won't hit you in a
way in which they don't mean to, or they might
lower their head and get thrown in the game. But
we start with the idea that it's not safe, but
it's reasonable to expect the other the the the opponent

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two while they try and tackle you and make it
hurt not intentionally injure you. Okay, well, but COVID nineteen
were kind of at that same place here, Like if
you if you look at all of the studies, all

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of the studies, there are questions about about transmitting this
thing to older people. There are questions about I see
u s now that elective surgeries are open, if I
c u s will become overrun. There are questions about
bringing back all college students because there are college students

(09:29):
that have uh pre existing health conditions, okay, pre existing
health conditions, and um, yeah, the problem with that deal
is if you bring back all the students, should bring
back all the professors, you bring back all of the secretaries.

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Now you open yourself up to litigation because there are
people with pre existing health condition that you can't screen,
like you can call a football players for college football guys, like, look,
you're gonna get a physical, You're going to get checked on,
you're gonna get tested continually for COVID. Like most people
their age aren't getting sick, even if they're testing positive,

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And if they're getting sick, it's not to the level
of hospitalization. And these are the best of the best
of the best being treated by the best of the
best of the best with the most resources. I think
we're at that place, not necessarily of allowing fans in
the stadium, but allowing football to exist, of irrational fear.
There's a reasonable fear of spreading COVID nineteen to your home,

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to your parents, to your grandparents, to other older people,
to people with pre existing health conditions. There's an irrational
fear to not allowing sports to exist at all, especially
when it's in some sort of bubble and the rest
of the world's not in the bubble. Lou Holtz was
on Fox News Love Lou Holtz. I know people make

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fun of Lou Holtz because he speaks to the list.
He's a brilliant orator, he comes from nothing, made himself
into one of the greatest college football coaches of all time,
and he is in the primary risk group in terms
of his age. He was asked about football returning. Here's
what he had to say. Wait, it looks right now.
They just don't want to have sports, and there's no

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way of this world. You can do anything that's world
without a risk. People store Normandy. I took some grand
children over there. They knew they were going to be
catching there, They're going to be rich, but it was
a way on length. Yeah. I don't know if you
want to related to storming Normandy, but the idea of
Normandy was you signed up for it, you knew your

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or I mean, you didn't get drafted. You go in
and like that is risk. That is risking your life.
When that boat door opens up and you're walking on
to you know, Omaha Beach and there's bullet bullets whizzing by.
That's not college football scholarship. It's a little bit overstating it.
It's classic television. I get it. But the thing is

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there are rational and irrational fears. M this is a
irrational fear to keep college football players away and automatically
part of cancel culture. Let's cancel it because it might
be a little risky. I think we've reached the unreasonable part.

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I think we've reached the Doug Gottlieb staying up late
at night doing shifts because his kids were rolling over
while they're sleeping, which, in we actually look it up,
they're less likely for anything to happen to them once
they start rolling over because if they can't breathe, it's
like an involuntary response. They automatically pushed themselves up and
rule themselves up. I'm making sense. It feels like I

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am coming up next. A former m v P opted
out of this league season? Does he deserve to get
criticized for it? That's next. Be sure to catch the
lie edition of The Doug Gottlip Show weekdays at three
pm Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the
I Heart Radio Whap Doug Gotlips? Shall You're on Fox
Sports Radio, Bruce Felman around the corner A lot to

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get to today. Be sure to catch the live edition
of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Easter
noon Pacific. I feel bad, Buster posey Now, It's interesting.
The guys that are opting out in baseball kind of
are are all sort of their stories are different, but
many of them are the same right that they were

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once upon a time great players Ian Desmond, Um, Ryan Zimmerman,
David Price. They've I think outside Ian Desman, the other
the other three of all one world series and have
all made a ton of money now all in their
mid thirties and other things are are more important. Um,

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you know, look do I think in terms of Buster
posey likes? Here's the story and by are you telling
me if I'm wrong? He has eight month old eight
year old twins and they've been trying to adopt for years.
I read where they'd even adopted and had a baby
for a couple of days in the birth parents chained
their mind, which, yeah, that's gotta be hard. I mean,
I just my heart goes out to that's so hard. Um.

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But they addopt these twins that they have health concerns,
they're gonna be in the nick you and he said,
there's a lot of unknowns. Now, what what you learned
once you've been through the premature baby thing is that
we we slept. My wife slept there, she had literally
slept there. They have these rooms where you can sleep,
and I slept there a couple of nights. Um. But

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what you learn is there's there the level of care
your premius get in a Nike you is unbelievable, right
like it is. It's what NBA players are usually used to.
May Now, it's a lot if you're not used to that,
because the alarms are going off all the time. And
you know, what happens with the premature baby is they're there,

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their minds there by their minds and their hearts and
lungs don't all work together just yet, so they don't
know always when to breathe. So there's a time in
which there's a little bit of elapse in breathing. It
doesn't mean that they're going to die or that they're suffocating,
but they're just so whether it's heart rates or breathing
rates or you know, if they're on a c path
or whatever they're on. Like, there's a lot of different

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stuff going. It's a lot if you're not used to it.
Once your your kids have been through it, then you're like, man,
we should have taken advantage when they were in the
NICU of just not going in there. Let's let the
go in and hold them. And if your wife is
is you know, for this case, you're adopted not feeding them.
But you know, if you want a body of body feeding,
bottle feed them. You can hold them, you know, chest

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skin to skin because that that actually helps them and
helps their blood pressure and helps them mature all those things.
But in many ways it's better if you just let
them be there and prepare yourself when they come home.
So do I think that Buster Posey would be fine
if he, you know, went and play baseball? Sure? Um,

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this is a very different case than saying Avery Bradley
for example, who you know, he's got a six year
old that has some issues, you know, I when it's
a newborn baby and a nick you and and their
bubble is different, right because Buster Posey, and tell me
if I'm wrong, buyer. But the baseball players come home

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every night, right, Yeah, that's my that's my understanding. Right.
It sounds like you're going NBA. You're now you're gonna
miss your family, but you're removing your family unless they
want to come join you. So that's a choice there,
and they will be perfectly healthy at home. The differences
in baseball you'd be coming home every night. Now. Obviously
in baseball, you for the most part, you don't touch anybody.

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Being a catcher, you would you touch the ball every
time you can throw it out, so the chance of
passing germs are greater at that position. And just even
just taking the risk of taking yourself out of the
equation is just you know, I guess the surest bet
is just to stay where he is and stay with
the family. That's I mean, who knows. I was at
the elevator today, Doug, and a guy takes the stairs

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and he's sweating profusely with no mask. I'm like, what's
the deal, you know, I mean, I look, I don't think.
I don't think. I mean wood, I'm hopeful I wouldn't
get I wouldn't get sick, you know, like from a
guy just sweating. But I also just don't understand no mask. Guy,
we were not talking about anything that's really all that difficult.

(17:33):
This is not like, hey, you gotta shave your head
and then you gotta I need you to peel off
all of your fingernails, okay, and then I need you
to wear you know, like, no, We'll just ask you
to wear a mask, and you know, within reason, don't
touch everything with your hands, and if you're not feeling well,
I'll stay home. These are reasonable things. I don't know alright,

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good stuff buyer. Um. Bruce Felman joins us. Bruce, if
you had two in the nick, you and your beauty
and your Buster posey, would you go play baseball? I
probably wouldn't honestly at that point. I mean, you're talking
about such honestly larger issues than baseball for for a
season and the risk. Um, Yeah, I don't think I would, Uh,

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Bruce Felban joining us. Okay, so what was your reaction
not just to the announcement by the Big Ten, but
the timing of the announcement by the Big Ten yesterday?
The timing, Here's the part that was a little surprising,
was there was a lot of chatter that we were hearing,
at least I was hearing about UM coming out of

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the Big Ten coaches meeting the previous week, and of
some assistance being told, hey, you know what, let's just
focus on the conference opponents. That it was seemed to
be heading in that direction. And so I had reached
out to some some other coaches who were scheduled to
play big kind of oponents and they were like, we

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haven't heard anything, but it wouldn't surprise us. Well, then,
as it got further and further along into the week. UM,
and maybe coincidentally, maybe not so coincidentally, Ohio State, which
is obviously the flagship program of the Big Ten, less
than twenty four hours before this gets out they went
and had to push pause on their training sessions because

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of COVID. So UM, I think the people who are who,
especially if you're like the MAC opponents, where the financial
implications of not having those games can be devastating, I
think that definitely as a jolt and so, but I
think everything else makes it seem like things are heading
in this direction. Whether it's going to be hard to

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have a season starting on time in the fall. It's
just you talked to enough people who are in the sport.
And I'm not talking about people who are just you know,
not related to college football, who are just like on
Twitter and throwing and stuff out. I'm talking about people
are actually you know, e d s and head coaches
who are in the middle of it, and administrators. They

(20:06):
have been really troubled by what they've seen in the
last two weeks. Um. I guess my issue is, you know,
of these kids are testing positive, how many of them
are actually sick. We don't know because they're not releasing
that information. I mean, like, the one thing I remembered
is a lot of schools aren't even releasing any information, right. So,

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and on top of that, um like Clemson at one
point had put out a statement where and they've been
one of the more transparent programs of a number and
they said, well, around half are asymptomatic. Okay, that means
half have symptoms. So we don't know that information. That's
that's part of I don't say that's part of the problem.

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I just think that's one of the challenge. But I
think what you have to keep in mind is, and
I just got off the phone with a Power of
five football coach, you know, within the last hour, who
was like, we are not even doing football stuff. We're
talking about training in small groups, and they're having spread
what's going to be like when you're not talking about

(21:09):
social distancing, we're not talking about doing things in small groups.
That's one of the big concerns that they're finding. Bruce
Felman joining us here on the Doug Goli Show on
Fox Sport Trade, he let's start with the ramifications. If
they play but don't play the nonconference games, doesn't that
kill the max schools. Doesn't that kill the nonpower flight

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because they're still going to have the expenses of a
college football season. I don't know about fans attending to games.
And then if you eliminate those guarantees, it feels like
this is the this is like a you know, hey,
we got a lot off of our budget. Okay, what's
the easiest thing to go. Well, let's get with the
guarantee games. And they're gone. It feels like it's it's
just cost conscious from the big schools, from the big

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ten schools, and it's an absolute killer for the smaller schools.
Is that fair? Yeah? I think that's I mean, I
think that's a real, a real assumption of this. I mean, look,
they're trying to manage how they can for their testing
protocols and all sorts of other issues. Um, and so
we're at this point. And look, I think it was

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not I think it was significant that that when you
have the president of uh, you know, the head of
the Big Tent, at mission of the Big Tent, who
was making a statement saying, look, it's not a fatal
completely that we're going to play in the fall. I
think what we heard yesterday from the Big Ten, and
especially from Gene Smith, who's the idea at a HIG state,
was more strong comments. And we've seen anybody else in

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college athletics put their name on it, you know their stuff.
If you're a reporter and you've been following the story,
you talk to a lot of ad s and coaches,
and some of the comments are pretty strong, but they're
they're on background. Jane Smith went on the record with
with with his comments out the direction of it, and

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I mean that isn't that different from the things that
you hear when you talk to a lot of A
D s around the country. Okay, so the Big ten
would expand again if they do it from nine to
ten games. Is there there's got to be something a
force massuri in the in the contract that allows these

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schools to all cancel or do they do they still
owe money to those smaller schools, you know, I think
that's got to be sorted out. I'll be honest, I
don't know the answer to that because I've talked to
some MAC coaches and I think I think it was
Bowling Green. I think they're going to be losing out
on over two million dollars because of a couple of
games they had scheduled Buffalo is one point eight million,

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and that's a huge amount of money. So how does
that get sorted out? I don't know, Um, but keep
in mind, we don't I mean, what happens if there
are no games this fall? I mean, does that mean
that that that money Isn't you know that they weren't
going to pay anything anyway? Uh? I mean there's so
much TV TVD stuff going on right now with all

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this that I think we're just in the leeds with it.
So when's the drop dead date? Uh? To have a
season starting in time for a normal I think that
from what I told that would be basically by the
end of this month slash August one after that, I mean,
you're you're starting to hear from more people to say,

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you know what, I don't know if we can start
until the earliest of October. Uh. You know what happens
if one of these states who seeing a significant run
not just in cases but also in hospitalizations, decide they're
going to go back to shelter in place. Uh, no
one's practicing. They got to send their players home then.

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And so those are the those are the issues that
I think are very real for a lot of a
d S as they're trying to figure this out and
talking to their peers and conference commissioners. Bruce Feltman joining
us on the Doug glic Show on Fox George Radio,
all Right, what about the SEC and the Big Twelve, Um,
they seem to be on a different time schedule. What

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are you hearing about those two leaks? I think they're
going to try to wait and see how much more
they can you know, where this goes in the next
couple of weeks. I mean, I talked to somebody from
the Big Twelve on Sunday night and they were sounded
very discouraged by the things that they had heard on
their own a d S call earlier in the week. Again,

(25:30):
a lot of the the stuff that they're getting back
isn't just from Okay, we see that the cases or
the hospitalizations are up in a given state. That's one
part of it. But the other part of it, too,
is we have athletes who are coming back. And it's
not all places because you certainly you know, look Notre Dame.

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I think they had zero. There's a handful of school
that have had really low numbers or zero that have
announced now again We don't know what everybody has, but
there's other ones that have had significant increases in in
cases where it's a bunch of guys got together to
play Madden, or some guys went to a pool party
or went to a bar and and got it. And again,

(26:13):
these are not even at the stage where it's football
related stuff. So when they get closer to that, if
they're at states that allow them to do that, then
what kind of results are they getting back from that?
That's I think what they want to at least try
and get an assessment of. Yeah, my thing is that
if they were in a closed environment at home and

(26:35):
then they were coming to campus, well then obviously you're
opening up to the possibility of more infections. But they're
coming from open at home to relatively closed on campus.
I don't know when they go home, when they go
to their dormitories, or when they go to departments, but
you know, I just I feel like they're safer on campus,
which that's been echoed by other coaches. The problem they
may be, they may be dug. But if you're safer

(26:57):
on campus and one of your teammates gets it and
then you're in a in a drill with them. I mean,
what difference does it make right at that point? You know,
I think there's definitely a lot of pluses to the
idea of students being backed on student athletes being back
on campus. A lot of you know, some of this
if you talk to some of them, are kids may

(27:19):
not have the means in terms of, you know, they're
getting access to meals and some of the other things.
I think also being around some semblance of structure or
what a lot of student athletes are used to is
honestly probably better for a mental health standpoint. But the
idea again, that's one part of it. The other part
of it, though, is if you can't have them train

(27:43):
and play football together and and get to go through
football practice without this leading to a big spread on
the team, I'm not sure you can't play games then yeah,
I guess the problem is, like, uh, all the numbers
tell us that they that while some have gotten some symptoms,
we don't, like you said, there's no reporting of is

(28:04):
anybody really really sick? Because that age, especially when you
have um, you know, the type of athletes that you have,
in the type of conditioning they had to be and
the type of medical treatment they have. It feels like
the chances of something bad happened are um more minuscular,
like much smaller even than getting hurt just playing football.

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They do seem like the odds are really low. They
do seem like that. Again, But the question is for
these presidents who make these ultimately decisions in these A
D s, you know, I think they've got to sort
through what are they willing to risk for this at
this point? And again it's like, I mean, I don't
think anyone's gonna say, hey, we're gonna if you have

(28:48):
players who we know are positive tests, are we just
gonna let them play and say hey, we're gonna shrug
our shoulders at this. I mean. The other thing you
have to keep in mind, too, Doug is on pretty
much every step app there is somebody who is in
that age range risk or health risk more and a
lot of times it's probably more than one guy. Where

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you have their assistant coaches who are fifty five and up,
they're not in great physical shape. That doesn't include somebody
who may have pretty existing conditions. I can't tell you
how many different schools I've talked to where coaches say, yeah,
I have three guys on my staff that I worry about.
They may have to coach from a cower. Um, I
mean there's there's a lot more than I think people

(29:29):
probably realize. I mean, think about it this way. The
most the best head football coach in college football right
now is Nick Saban. He looks to be in good
physical shape. He's also Nick Saban's you know, gonna be
is in his late sixties. Um, you know, there there
are a lot of it's it's beyond just Hey, it's
just eighteen to twenty two year olds who are in

(29:51):
a low risk category. Yeah, I mean, listen, I got this.
Uh this is from a high high level basketball coach,
college best a coach. This thing seems to have no
effect on college or pro athletes who cares of old
coaches are at risk. They need to stay up in
the stands and let kids have their time and experiences.
It should be about the kids, not the coaches that
would that. That's his perspective. I'm not gonna say who

(30:13):
that was, but it's a it's a you know so yeah,
it's it's it's it's these are these are hard, hard questions. Um.
I've been told the spring is a nonstarter because so
many of the kids, and they all think they're gonna
be top draft picks in the NFL, but they don't think, Doug.
I think that's the wrong point because think about it
this way. The team that just won the National title

(30:34):
LS you produced a ton of first round picks. There
is not one of those players. And they're all terrific
players who would have been a first round pick if
they had not played last year. Bruce, Bruce, I, I understand, Okay,
I I and look, this is part of my argument always,
but are you going to shut it down? Are you

(30:54):
going to shut it down? Because I mean a lot
of teams have have no players who would consider that.
Are you gonna are you gonna say we can't play
in the spring because we know Trevor Lawrence and Justin
Fields won't play. So but but that is what they're
being told though, right, I mean, that's I'm telling you
what those players, those level of players. I don't but

(31:15):
that level of players is really actually way smaller than
people realize. Yeah, well no, in reality it is, Okay,
in reality it is, But you cover this thing. Bruce
Felmons joined this Doug Gotlip Show. Fox Sports Radio lead
Sidline reporter for Fox Sports. Cut You've done this for
years and obviously not talented author. I'm actually looking at
his book, The QB, which you should pick up if
you like anything about football. Um, you're talking about reality.

(31:38):
I'm talking about perception. You go to a school in
the SEC, in the Big twelve, and you say, like,
how many guys think you're gonna play in the NFL
next year? And they're all putting their hands up and
they all are being told by somebody, and a good
portion of me told by somebody like, hey, do you
want to play? Now? Look if it's me, I'd be
the opportunities like, go ahead, you guys, go and not play.

(32:00):
Get more minutes for me, more more for you know, more,
no more targets for me. I get it. But I
do think that'd be there'd be more kids then you
would think are even close to being drafted that would
say I didn't sign up for spring football. I can't
play twenty games in the country year. Yeah I don't.
I don't disagree that there would be more than Probably
it would be the NFL would say, yeah, you have

(32:21):
a first round grade. My point on that, though, is
when it comes to the spring and This is not ideal.
I get it. If you have to have an abridged
season and it's seven or eight games, and then you're
talking about seven or eight games in the spring, and
then you're talking about another dozen that is a lot
even for you know, even if you have an eighty
five man scholarship roster and you're adding in freshman or

(32:43):
however they're gonna however, they would have to shoehorn it.
The part that I don't buy, though, is that that
if the risk of not being able to play at all,
this isn't like, hey, we could you know, we're going
to choose the spring rather than try to play in
the fall. I think this is if the fall doesn't
work out, I think the prospect of either there's no

(33:03):
football in the academic year of one academic calendar year,
or we try to play in a bridge season in
the spring, because the finalit or ramifications of just punting
on a whole season altogether, if there was any chance
of doing it, would be devastating. And so to think
that they would say, hey, we're not gonna We're not
gonna play uh an FDS college football season in the spring,

(33:27):
because we know that there's probably there's probably fifteen guys
who would definitely not play and another thirty who would
be advised not to play. I mean to think that
they would say, hey, we're going to give up hundreds
of millions of dollars because of you know, forty guys.
Who what what forty guys or fifty guys might do.
That's not I don't think that's that's that's realistic, brutce

(33:52):
gray stuff. Man. I hope you're well. Get back to
your family, and thanks for joining us on Fox Sports Trading.
Outstanding input, really helping, really appreciate it. My pleasure. Thanks,
pleasures all mine. Doug Golip Show rolls on here on
Fox Sports Radio. Coming up next, will Dak Prescott get
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(34:15):
the nation. Catch all of our shows at Fox Sports
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search f s R to listen live. Doug Otlip Show,
Fox Sports Radio. We'll get to this news Zion Williamson's story,
which um is alarming when you read the headlines and
then you read deeper into it and you're like, oh, Okay, okay,

(34:37):
we'll get to that upcoming first. Let's play game. This
is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show. By Doug.
Let's uh play a little game we like to call
psychic psychic? Alright, Doug or excuse me, psychic. Will Dak

(34:58):
Prescott get his long term contract with the Dallas Cowboys
by Wednesday's deadline? Uh? Nom, gonna play under the franchise
tag as he has signed that franchise tender. Another player
who has signed his tender but doesn't have a long
term deal, he's Titans running back Derrick Henry. Psychic. Will
Henry get his long term contract with the Titans by

(35:19):
Wednesday's deadline? I'm gonna play into the franchise tank there
as well. There is news that Justin Simmons of the
Broncos will sign his tender by the end of the weekend,
but then the long term contract again Wednesday's deadline July alright, psychic.
Will we have a new Redskins nickname by the start
of the NFL season? Yes, yes, I believe we we

(35:44):
we will. Um I believe FedEx said you know they're
gonna pull their signage, uh naming rights to the stadium
if there's not a name change, I don't. I think
that FedEx has had conversations. I think this thing, you know,
if you read into it, they've been working on this
for over a month. The question is gonna be selecting
a name. I'm not disputing that Warriors doesn't make a

(36:05):
ton of sense, just but because Warriors was taken down
from being Marquette's mascot, they they may be hesitant. My
issue with it is they're gonna basically wipe it free
of clear of of any Native American um symbolism. And
I think that's a mistake, like why why, why why

(36:25):
don't you use it to honor Native Americans? Just change
the name. I just I think that whole thing is
a mistake. I just saw one on Twitter that there's
a push. I'm not sure how big of the movement is,
but red Wolves, which would be uh, which I thought
was actually pretty neat um psychic. With the start of
the college football season begin as scheduled, no, I'm going

(36:47):
to see a delay, not um probably a delay just
because they won't be able to get everybody back going
on the way they when they want. It also helps
not likely nonconference games at least for the power of
five to not be available. Moving on to the end,
be a psychic Will Lebron James playing all of the
Lakers eight games in Orlando? No, eight seasonal games before

(37:08):
the playoffs? No, he will not. How many games do
you think he will play? Probably six? Six? I've stated
that they if you, if they meet the Clippers, they
essentially have the top seed wrapped up, and then it's
just but why does the seed even met? Yeah? I
mean yeah, they get to where there the yellow uniforms
one more one additional time. It makes even uh horrible

(37:33):
point to why he shouldn't play. You want to get
game minutes going and get into game shape, but and
and be able to play. You know, you got to
build up your win and build up your legs. But
how much? So? I don't think he plays? You know
every didn't you do that in a scrimmage? You know? No,
it's different. Okay, well the games don't matter then, right, Yeah?

(37:55):
So I just I find it absurd, all right? Psychic
Will LaMelo ball end being a New York Nick, which
reportedly is his preference. Do you see a match with
LaMelo Ball in the New York Knicks? Mm? Hmmm mm hmmm, yeah, sure,

(38:15):
problem is that R. J. Barrett wants to play with
the basketball in his hands. LaMelo Anthony Melo um Ball
only plays the ball in his hands. Um but yeah,
like they want a reason for to get people in
the gym. That's a reason to get people in the gym. Alright, psychic. Finally,
another storm sitting certain parts of the country, but in
southern California it's gonna be hot, hot, hot. Will you

(38:36):
beat the heat this weekend, Doug beat, Maybe go to
the go to the you know, getting the get some waves.
We will probably get some waves, probably get some waves. Yeah,
we'll beat the heat. I'm not I'm not a man
like I We're very Fortunately we live close to the water.
It's a little bit cooler here, but it will be
warm and we'll take precautions. We gotta we gotta actually

(38:57):
kill basketball games and the speaky Sea basketball gym. That
will be hot, hot, hot. This is game time on
the Dug Gottlieb Show. But the headline reads that almost
like a Reggie Bush type of headline, where Zion Williamson's
stepdad is alleged to have have taken four hundred thousand dollars

(39:17):
from a marketing guy. What's the real story. We'll get
to it next in The Doug Gotlip Show. Be sure
to catch the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show
weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app What Up
Doug Gotlip Show Fox Sports Radio. I hope you guys
are well and getting ready for hoops to get back

(39:40):
under way, baseball to get back underway. LaVar arrentinoll join
us in twenty five minutes. We'll get his sense of
of what Dan Styler should be thinking about a new nickname,
and his thoughts on on what's gonna happen in college football.
I'm a big believer in in the college experience. I'm

(40:02):
a big believers, as most of you know, in the
fact that while some believe that college is disproportionately benefit
um themselves as opposed to student athletes, I think the
the opposite is actually true. And people will point to
Zion Williamson as the poster child for what he should get,

(40:22):
and my argument would be, um boy, I actually think
Zion Williamson is the poster child for why even the
superstar athlete should go to college. He wouldn't have been
the number one overall pick mine, probably not even a
top five, maybe not top ten pick had he not
gone and played in college. Now, had he gone and

(40:43):
played at Clemson, UM or South Carolina where he grew
stay where he grew up in, I don't know if
he would have had the fanfare. I think, you know,
both Brad Brownell and Frank Martin are tremendous coaches. UM.
I would like to think that Frank would have gotten
him in the type of shape he got in, and
and probably Brad too, you know. Um. But playing at Duke,

(41:09):
he made Duke likable and though they didn't win a
national championship, he Duke is always a must watch, but
he made them even more watchable. And of course there's
all these discussions about the had a one marketing guy.
And then there is this Zi Williamson's step five This
is This is how was written by Mark Slaball. His

(41:29):
stepfire solicit and accepted a four hundred thousand dollar payment
from a marketing agent in October of two thousand and eighteen,
prior to Williamson's only season with Blue Duke Blue Devils.
According to a court motion sworn affter David filed by
his former marketing representatives attorney in federal court on Thursday.
Gina Ford's attorneys said that the affidated and other exhibits

(41:51):
show that Williamson was ineligible when he played for Duke
in two thousand eighteen two thousand nineteen because his stepfather
Lee Anderson, received infamous no benefits from Slavcode Durich, a
Canadian market marketing agent. Quote. We've obtained newly discovered evidence
impacting the issue of whether Williamson was a student athlete

(42:12):
that we believe makes it transparently clear, verifiable, and indisputable
that he was not a student athlete, long before any
communication or contact between Zian Williamson and other third party
acting on his behalf and our clients. That's that's uh.
The Gina Ford's attorneys, Alvin Pittman, said this um Jeffrey Klein,

(42:33):
who's an attorney for Zion Williamson, said the alleged agreements
and driver's license attached these papers are fraudulent and neither
Mr Williamson nor his family know these individuals, nor they
have any dealings with them. We had previously alerted Mr
Ford's lawyers to both this fact and that we had
previously reported the documents to law enforcement as forgeries, but
they chose to go ahead with another frivolous filing. Anyway,

(42:55):
this is a desperate and a responsible attempt to smear
ms Williamson at the very time that he has the
opportunity to live his dream playing professional basketball. So look,
they're saying he didn't need meet him, he didn't know him.
These are frauds, These are for forgeries. If that is true,
if it is a forgery, then what we have to
do is write the same article only admitting that it

(43:19):
was a forgery. I don't like that it takes three
paragraphs in before you find out exactly what Zion Wimson's
people are saying about this lawsuit. That is frivolous. And
I understand why Mark Sleibo. Look it was filed in
a court of law, um, and if you have that,
then there's at least a blurb, not an article that

(43:39):
has to be written. But again, this actually goes back
to the premise of why the n c A has
not allowed players to sell their name, image and likeness
because you don't know who these people are. If this

(43:59):
is this Slavkoe Dirts, never met him, didn't give him
any money, doesn't know anything about him. You know, these
are the type of hanger honors guys that become part
of the story because they have some sort of check
and they'll they'll you know it works, They give you
some money, they support you, they want you to cut
a little ad for them or now or whatever, and

(44:22):
you feel like you're indebted to them. That's they're paying for.
They're paying for you to be indebted to them. And
I just think it's better ought to protect the kid.
He's Zion was gonna make money anyway, Like, you don't
need some marketing guy when the kids still in college

(44:43):
and Duke is using their marketing might to market Zion
Williamson free your charge. Right, Like, there in lies the difference.
Duke and all the TV entities all promoted and marketed
Zion Williamson. What does Slavkode Durage do. Nobody promoted him.

(45:03):
The sport did, the college did, the TV provider did.
That's what they do. This isn't a deal where players
get left off worse. You could absolutely be a user,
and in this case, Ion Wimson was a user. But
I don't believe he was a user for this particular gentleman.
Now he used Duke, He used all the TV interviews,

(45:27):
and he put a smile on his face and looked
like a guy who was having a great time playing
a game. He was very good at a very young age.
So I actually think this signifies a good story for
the n c A, a a potentially frivolous story and lawsuit
for this Slavko Duris guy and and the Gina Ford

(45:50):
agency and for you know, writers and reporters. I think
that the question becomes if this is frivolous, if it
is thrown out in courtroom because it didn't actually come
from the hand of Jay Williams, well, well then we
need to have the exact same energy pointing out that

(46:12):
it was a frivolous lawsuit as we have with people saying, see,
Duke's just buying guys. There is no connection necessarily with Duke,
although playing for Duke does help your marketing possibilities. But
I don't know how. I mean, I you can listen,
you can put that into online anytime you want. Anytime

(46:33):
there's uh something goes through in a court of law,
you know, um, a court motion a sword AFFI David
followed by a formity marketing representative. But if they really
didn't know him, and this really are they really did
forge his driver's license and his signature, well that I
have no time for it. And I would hope that

(46:54):
Mark Slaba, who wrote this article, would it not only
just admit as such, but would say like, hey, look
this was a frivolous lawsuit. This is what it looks like.
This is what it looks like. Um, the wide receiver
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(47:16):
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(47:39):
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(48:00):
noon Pacific Doug Otlip Show, Fox Sports Radio. Uh. He
is uh. He is the lead host and I believe
the longest he's the his tenure has been the longest
employed at the Big Ten network, and conducted a really
interesting interview yesterday with the commissioner of the Big Ten

(48:22):
after their announcement that they are not going to have
non conference games. He's Dave Revson, he said, to join
us here on the Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Radio.
Keep in mind we're gonna have another former Big Ten
star from Penn State, LaVar Arrington's gonna join us in
about ten minutes. But Dave um let, first, just what

(48:44):
was your reaction to the conference deciding what felt like
a little bit earlier than other conferences had come to
the conclusion they're not gonna play non conference games. Well,
not all that surprise, just because I had heard kind
of rumbling about it, Doug, So it definitely didn't touch
me off guard in any kind of way. But maybe.

(49:05):
When I initially heard, I think, first you're kind of
trying to figure out, well, what's the logic here, And
it's pretty clear to me the logic is just about
controlling that time and taking some variables out of it
so that you're only dealing with your own schools. And
I think that makes a lot of sense. I I know,
I feel bad for some of the leagues, particularly the

(49:28):
MAC which has a lot of games against the Big Ten,
and I understand that a lot of those schools kind
of build their their finances around playing those games. But
I just feel like, ultimately each league has to figure
out what's best for themselves. We're an uncharted territory, and
this makes sense for the Big Ten. Um, Okay, so

(49:49):
is it so it is about control? Is it an
ancillary benefit that they save money because you know that
there's at this point we don't know about fans in
the stands, and you don't have to pay for conference games,
so you are going to save you know, a million
dollars on most of these buy games or so is
that just an answer to benefit? Was that a primary benefit? Well?

(50:11):
I don't know the details on that, like what the
decision making process was I guess the best way to
say it. You know, you may end up I don't
know whether you have to pay those off or not, Doug.
I mean, I guess it depends on what the wording
is in the contract, whether or not there was some
sort of a clause in it for you know, the

(50:33):
or whatever it is. Yeah, the force masure. I mean,
I know you you speak Latin. I speak English, so
I'm I'm a big lad. I'm actually I took pig
Latin school. But anyway, so yeah, whether I don't know
what the wording is, I mean, but I don't think
that's why they did it. I think this is just
about making sure that you're playing teams or you know

(50:56):
exactly how they're testing, you're testing the same way they are,
and then it gives you some flexibility where you can say, Okay,
maybe we have thirteen or fourteen weeks to fit in
ten games, and so that if you have to cancel
a game, you're able to you know when everyone's open
dates are, and you can play around with the schedule
and rearrange it. Weird times, right like when's your bus

(51:19):
tour not normally normally go first week of August and
is there any plans for that I thought that I'm
aware of. I mean, I almost I really haven't even asked,
like I think, I just I think it's so funny,
right Like I would just be so happy if we played.

(51:40):
And I think you think about like college football in
an average here, where we just get so bent out
of shape yelling at one another about nine game conference
schedules versus eight game conference schedules, whether a two lost
teams should get more consideration than a one lost team
ever played a tougher non conference schedule. I don't care

(52:00):
about any of that this year. I don't know if
you do. I don't. I just want to see the games.
I want to see kids be able to play. I
want to see fans have something to distract themselves from
what has been a very difficult time for a lot
of people, I think emotionally, in terms of health, economically,
all those different things. I think we just kind of
need it if we can do it. We need sports

(52:21):
right now from a mental point of view. And so
I don't know, I'm kind of in beggars can't be
choosers mode. I don't my senses were not doing a
bus store, but who knows. I guess we'll just kind
of see what happens here in in the next few weeks. No, listen,
I'm with you on playing. I just you know, I'm I'm.
I had a powerful college basketball coach reach out to

(52:42):
me and texting. He's like, look, this is about the
kids and playing and getting the experience of playing. If
you're an older coach or one that believes you're at
risk the coach from the stands, you know, you can
put mask and gloves or you know, in football coach
in the press box and stay away from the stay
away from the kids. Um, but it should be it
should be about the players getting getting that experience. Um.

(53:03):
What what are the chances have you've heard as far
as the season be moved to the spring and the
viability of that, Well, it's interesting. Sandy Barber, who's the
athletic director of Penn State, the other day said something
through the effect of if that's a last resort, if
you will so, UM, I don't think that that's the
first plan by any stretch for the Big ten, but

(53:25):
I think it would be not playing at all. It
was interesting. We had Irban Myron yesterday and he was
saying I think it'd be really tough in terms of
the turnaround that you'd have guys who have been through
a full season. He said, you know, your body really
just beating up when you play a full college football
season and then you tell me you're gonna turn around
and be in camp again three months later. But I

(53:46):
think if you played a spring season, it will probably
be somewhat abbreviated. And so maybe you can't think about
us going through the grind that Urbans used to with
twelve regular season games and then a conference championship and
then one or two posts and games. I think you're
thinking more in terms of maybe it's a games or
ten games. So I don't know. To me, I think

(54:07):
they're gonna do everything they can to play, but it's
not if it's going to be at the detriment of
the health of these players. I really firmly believe that
ultimately that's at least in the Big ten, what the
decision is going to be made on and if they
can't do it in a way that chelfy. Kevin Warren
said it on our area yesterday. He said, this is
not a fate and company that we're gonna have this season.

(54:28):
It is certainly within the realm of possibility there won't
be played. Do you know when the drop dead date is?
I don't know. I mean I would guess early August.
You really have to have a plan, right, So I
don't think we're that far away. I mean, I think
we're three or four weeks away from meeting some sort
of concrete plan. Yeah, I guess My thing is I

(54:50):
just I haven't seen. I know there's more positive tests,
and that's causing it's it's very, very alarming, and I
know the hospitals of sling Up. I think some of
it is obviously COVID. Some of it is also the
fact that elected surgeries are back, and we didn't have
elected surgeries for for months obviously because things were shut down.
So the combination of the two kind of coinciding. But

(55:13):
you know, is there a thought that you can could
you do it without fans? Could you do it without
students on campus? I feel like they're kind of has
to be college for there to be college football, So
I kind of think you need to have some students.
I think otherwise you're sending a message basically that these
guys are expendable, you can have them all around one another.

(55:37):
But you can't have the other students on campus unless
you were going to build a counter argument of well,
they would be safer because you wouldn't have as many
people around doing unsafe things. Potentially, I mean, maybe you
can suck it that way. I also think I also
think that like, look, there are pre existing health if
you have a if you have a health concern, your problem,

(56:00):
not a college athlete, right, And my my thing has
always been I do think that being on campus is
safer than being at home. One because of medical care
and you're getting tested more often, but too because when
you're at home, you're not in the bubble, so you're
having the same number of interactions with other people and
other families and with no protection, whereas at least when
you're with your college football team, theoretically you can isolate

(56:24):
yourself within the walls of or within the realm of
your college football team, even if there's not students around,
you know, and I oh, yeah, by the way, you
can protect them if they get sick and treat them
kind of immediately, as opposed to you know, you know,
how state you get six students there, you can't protect anybody,
and you open yourself up to more litigation. Look as

(56:48):
you know. I mean, I have a daughter who is
starting college this year, and so from my point of view,
I feel comfortable with her going, but I would want
them to be testing a ton. I want them to
have a really good system of isolating people quarantining them
when they're positive. And I think every kid that goes
on a college campus needs to put an app on

(57:09):
their phone that traces them and shows where they've been.
That is used only when someone tests positive. And then
you see where those people have been, and you get
a paying on your phone that you were around someone
who tested positive, and you need to go get tested.
I think you can create a little bit of a
bubble there, and I think you can be safe. So
I feel comfortable with it when the kid going to college.

(57:31):
I'm not seeing here as someone saying, well, I'm removed
from this. No, I'm okay with her doing that. But
I just think we have to do it sensibly. And
I don't know whether that means sports or not. I
think we kind of need to see where we are
here in a few weeks. But I do think there
are ways to control this. We just haven't done a
great job of it. I agree. Dave Revson joined us

(57:53):
lead hosts for the Big Ten Network. Okay, this is again,
this is going along with your oldest thing, kind of
same question. If the classes move online. I had this
discussion with the classes move in Northwestern solely online. Does
she take the year off or did you take the classes? Well, unfortunately,
I think we've passed the point of bill return. There

(58:15):
is no the like they're gonna give you a refund. Here,
We'll give your own money back. You guys take the
year off your kids. You know, a lot of these schools,
it's been pretty interesting. They set kind of May first
as the date because otherwise if you put it up
in the air. I mean, let's use as he said
to my daughters going to Northwestern. They have eight thousand students,
two thousand a year, so let's say five hundred kids

(58:36):
decide on August. Okay, I don't want to do that.
What does that mean for the class of I'm gonna
people in that class or how are you gonna do it?
You know, they lose down a ton of revenue, and
I think that's that's what each one of these schools
is looking at. So I don't think she'd be thrilled
with it, but I'm not sure she'd really have much

(58:57):
of a choice at this point. You they're basically saying,
if you don't go most of these places that you
forfeiture place. Best guess do we play in the fall?
I still am optimistic just because why not? But I mean,
I think it's really close. Like when you have people

(59:17):
like Kevin Warren and we had Cheene Smith the a Dent,
Ohio State on yesterday and they are very openly saying, hey,
look there's a chance we don't play. You don't say
that unless there's a strong chance you don't play. There's
no reason to open that can of worms up. So
I'll go, yes, that we have some form of a season,

(59:40):
but it wouldn't shock me if we did. And unfortunately,
like look two months ago, I was yes, but it
just has headed the wrong way. Dave un today? Is
that is that unlike the fame links of of of
tunsas national or are we we talking? MUNI are still

(01:00:01):
huh that's pretty good? Course? Um? I played okay, I
stumbled to the finished shot a nice front nine, and
then I think I played the last three and five over,
which is kind of are for the course for me,
you know, throwing a few doubles just so my score
doesn't get too good because I'm not clutch and I
always pulled in the critical moments. But yeah, I hit

(01:00:25):
the ball. Okay, Yeah, so your par for the courses yesterday? Yeah,
n any one was at Aviara in San Diego. So
it was nice course. I mean it was my first
time out since February. Um, so, I mean there's some
there's some good there. My short game was awful. I
mean my recollection is that you hit the ball a

(01:00:46):
long way, but you don't always know where it's going.
Is that a fair characterization? Uh? You know what? Honestly, now,
the issue is not where it's going off that I'm
three hit a long way with I almost strictly. I
did hit one driver and I crushed it, But I'm
so hesitant with the driver of the three. Would I
hit really well and really long off the tea and
generally know where it's going. And I'm a good iron player,

(01:01:08):
it's just you know, um, you know, once I get
around the green, I was just bad, just inexplicable. Yeah,
I don't practice. You get out there and practice. I
don't practice. I don't know. I don't believe in practice.
Talk about practice. We're talking about practice, practice, practice. We
gotta get together and do that. He congrats on the

(01:01:30):
seven and look forward. I'm continued health. We'll talks in
all right, my friend, thanks for having me on. That's
Dave Revson. Um. He was my first ever play by
play partner in the business. He was playing playoffs, colored
in the business and of course the lead host for
Big ten Networks. But be sure to catch the live
edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m.
Easter noon Pacific, Doug Gollip Show, Fox Spard Trade. Do

(01:01:52):
you see him on? Speak for yourself? He was not
a good he was a great football player and uh
an even better due the var Arrington joining here in
the Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sport Trade. LaVar how
are you? I'm very well? Thank you? How about yourself?
I'm good man. Um, let's let's let's let's start with
with with football. I know you. I want to get
to your thoughts and the Redskins, the team that you

(01:02:14):
played for and that many people believe you're synonymous with.
But let me just start with kind of the football
aspect to things college football wise. Um, if if if
you were you were a college All American, you were
arguably the best player in the country, would you would
you go and play college football if they said, hey,
you can sign a waiver if you want to play

(01:02:35):
or not you were gonna be drafted in the first
round anyway, would you go play? Oh? All right? So,
I mean there's so many elements to that question, Doug, Like,
I mean, the the simple, quick, easy answer is with
all of the uncertainty and all the risk involved, would

(01:02:55):
probably be no. I mean I would probably say no,
unless unless it was collectively everyone was playing, you know,
Like I think what the reason why you just made
the question complicated is because the waiver. The waiver sets
off a red flag, you know what I mean, Like

(01:03:16):
if you got to sign a waiver, and it's like, independently,
you have to sign a waiver to be able to
play this team sport that you are attending school, being
on that team is paying for your education. You know,
you never really think of it from the standpoint of
if you had the choice. So when when you add
waiver into the situation, if you already have solidified your

(01:03:39):
career in college and you don't know, like, what does
that even mean? How many people are gonna play? How
many teams are gonna play. There's a lot of uncertainty
that would be created based off of the waiver. Now,
if you take the waiver away and say, if you're
asking me, if the teams are playing and they're deciding
to play based upon the given scenario, that this is

(01:04:01):
how we're going to try to approach it, and we're
gonna try to stay healthy this way, then I certainly
would play. But waiver waiver sets off a red flag
for me. It's fair, fair enough, it's a it's an interest,
it's a it's a deeper way of thinking and looking
at this than I had even thought of. It's a
great point, LaVar Arrington joining us on the Doug Otlip
Show on Fox Sports Radio. How again, college football, I

(01:04:27):
believe those those non conference games which people make fun
of are not only necessity in terms of finances for
both universities and for the college towns, but also cranking
up and get ready to seem like if every game
is a conference game, that's really hard. How much does
it change the college landscape if you play an additional
conference game and everyone's a league game. For the winners,

(01:04:49):
it will be it will be um advantageous. For the losers,
there will be an asterisk, right like if if you're
able to navig gate through conference play without having tune
up games and and really working um, working through some
of the things timing wise and just continuity wise that

(01:05:10):
you work on early on in the year, um, you
you know it's gonna make it. It's gonna definitely raise
the stakes on how the season has played. But with
that being said, it creates another element of entertainment um
for the onlookers and for the fans, because you're you're

(01:05:31):
looking at it with an added element of you know,
difficulty basically, so it'll be interesting to see how the
coaches and the players are able to mentally, emotionally and
physically navigate um having an abbreviated season that takes you
right into conference play when you play for the Redskins.

(01:05:53):
Digit my issue with the with the Redskins nickname being changes,
There's no question it always feels discriminated. Few it felt weird,
like to have a name my resident. On the other hand,
you're like, well, and again this is just my perspective
of Lamar not necessarily shared by anybody else. I'm not

(01:06:14):
Lamar Jackson said what I say said, LaVar? Did you
hear me with Lamar? Lamar? That's a big name. I
get Lamar at least three times a day now. But
go ahead, bad Or Arrington joining us in the Doug
gotlip Show, LaVar, I'm I'm I'm fast. Like I did
think that the intent of the Redskins, not just the
nickname but also the imagery in the side of the

(01:06:34):
helmet was to honor Native Americans. Um and and now
the discussion is all right, now you've changed the nickname,
but you want to remove any Native American imagery. I
almost feel like that that goes that actually goes so
counter to what they're doing or what anyone's positive intent
would be. I feel like a racing positive imagery is

(01:06:59):
not as bad, but almost as bad as raising negative imagery.
And and and the nickname that has people upset? What
what as a former player but also as a black
man who doesn't you know you don't I'm sure you
feel a desire to speak out on things. What's you're
feeling on taking away not just the nickname of the
imagery you just broke news to me. I'm black. I'm black.

(01:07:21):
Come on, dude, holy moley, let let me go look
in this mirror real quick. Uh No, I'm joking. Uh,
you know, it is a very serious topic on on
a more serious note, and as a former player on
the team and knowing because because I have a ton
of family the origins of my dad's side of the
family are from from Virginia, so I've known about the

(01:07:44):
team and have been you know, connected to that team
for my entire life. Uh. I just was always under
the impression that the people that I discussed the name
with and that in that regard were more most like
I guess more often than not, were were of the

(01:08:05):
mindset that they were not offended by the name and
were actually honored that that that was you know, they
were being depicted that way. Now, with that being said,
those were direct conversations. This is not me speculating about it.
This is me having conversations with certain tribes, certain Native

(01:08:26):
Americans that fell on the side of that being their belief.
So for me, I kind of didn't think too much
about it, even though I saw different groups of Native
Americans at every single event, at every single game protesting
the name. So for me, I just always felt as though,
you know, I had a conflict because I felt as

(01:08:49):
though there was this side that felt a certain way,
and it was that side that felt a certain type
of way. And my my rationale was always, well, you'll
never have one side out of black people feel like
the N word is is actually honoring them, whereas the
other side feels like the N word is derogatory term
towards them. And maybe I was guilty of settling in

(01:09:13):
on basing it off of my own personal rationale versus
really seeing the totality of what it really truly represented.
So I look at it from the standpoint of if
anyone of that background, that racial background, of the Native
American background, if any one group is offended by what

(01:09:36):
it represents, then it's offensive. That's kind of it for me, Like,
I don't go any further than that. The older that
I'm getting, the more I'm just kind of trying to
simplify things, Doug, and I think to simplify it is
to say, if any group of people that it is
related to, I don't care if five people or ten
people over here say I'm okay with it. If any

(01:09:59):
group but people that it is directly related to our
offended by it in a racially driven way, then it
should be addressed in a way that is sensitive to
what their rights represent and who they are and what
their their background represents. If it doesn't say richness and
culture and celebration of the culture and the belief in

(01:10:21):
the culture, and that isn't a total a total uh
theme or total storyline across the board, and and it's
checkered and and it has blurred, blurred lines on it,
then it has to be addressed. And what the final
result of that is that that's not on that's not
on me to decide what the final the final decision

(01:10:42):
on it is. But I I will say I do
think that if people are offended by and I've always
said this, if people are offended by it that are
of that group of people, then it needs to be heard.
But you brought up something that because you had those conversations,
you believed it too. You knew it to be true
that there was support for the nickname for a long time,

(01:11:05):
and that support seems to have either evaporated or really
really uh slowly disintegrated. How much of it comes down
to it's Dan Snyder and people just don't like him,
and how much of it comes down to the team
is just not any good, It can't be a source
in addition to the nickname, uh, you know, not being
a source of probas the team itself not having How

(01:11:27):
much of that do you do you think plays any
sort of factor in what I think we would both
agree is a change from when you played and had
those conversations. It's a great question, Doug, because for me,
I look at the conversation has always existed, The debate
has always existed, and it almost came down to a
moral code, moral compass decision for Dan to change the

(01:11:51):
name um and move forward from it. But I always
told people with the reasoning that I just gave on
the last question, when you think about from a businessman,
if you're putting your business business person's hat on, that
person purchased a brand. He purchased a brand that was
valued at over a billion dollars. So when he paid

(01:12:14):
eight hundred and some eight fifty whatever it was that
he paid for that franchise, he was paying for an
established brand. And so I always had the kind of
back and forth with myself about what that represents, because
if you purchased Nike, and all of a sudden, some way, somehow,
we've found out that Nike had a head in a

(01:12:35):
hit and meaning that was a racial slur, and the
person who purchased Nike is now being told they have
to change the logo and change the name based upon
it being a racial slur. I'm sure the person who
purchased Nike at whatever that dollar amount is would be
upset and apprehensive and not wanting to change the what

(01:12:57):
what it is that they paid in? And I you
for So when I look at it, is it more
about Dan? I don't think it's more about Dan Snyder.
I don't think it's more about them losing UM. I
think it's just the climate in which our our our
country is in right now. Everything is on the table,
and if it is racially driven right now, is it

(01:13:20):
is a target and it is going to get some
of the fiercest, intense attention that we've seen in this
country as it applies to you know, racial equality and
racial reform and racial discussions, UM, racial sensitivity. There is
going to be an intensity level that is there now

(01:13:42):
that has not been and I think that that's what's
probably going to end up if not have already done
drowned out the voices that actually said that they weren't
offended by this. And it's also going to strengthen the
resolve and the reasoning that is going out there that's saying, Okay, well,
if black lives matter, if you're saying to me black

(01:14:04):
lives matter, then shouldn't rit lives matter? Shouldn't be shouldn't
these lives? You know, we put blue out there, and
a blue isn't even a person that represents a department.
So I think that the narrative Doug is what has
created such a loud, loud voice for and in a

(01:14:24):
voice that obviously has made UH FedEx become very very
has some serious trepidation about moving forward with the name
being the same, the owner being a minority ownership partner
in the team, UM Nike having trepidation being connected to
Kaepernick the way they are, and some of the other

(01:14:45):
things that they're dealing with that that the spotlight could
possibly end up on Nike for I think that now
it just makes it almost impossible for anyone who's running
down the lane, like UH the Washington football team. It
makes it difficult and impossible for them to move forward
right now, LaVar Arrington, former star running back, a running

(01:15:08):
back linebacker with I don't know what, Lord, you got me,
you got me frazzled, you got me frozzled. It's it's
all good, I know. And then of course the star
at Penn Stayton with the Washington Redskins. Thanks so much
for join us to bar appreciate it. I appreciate you
having me on pleasures all mine. Is it realistic to
ask to push college football players back to the spring.

(01:15:32):
I'll tell you what I think next. Be sure to
catch the live edition of the Doug gott Leap Show
weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific, Doug Gotlap Show,
Fox Spards Tradio every day. This time we'd like to
get you caught up on story of the day, something
we heard earlier on one of our radio shows. We
call it and now. This is Claig Travis outkicked the

(01:15:54):
coverage the morning show here on Fox Sports Tradio, giving
three reasons college football can't be pushed back to the spring.
For first of all, if you play in the spring,
I don't buy that. If you're concerned about health related reasons,
there are likely to be more issues in cold weather
than there are in warm rep weather because typically virus

(01:16:15):
is spread much more in the in the cold weather.
In cold and flu season, that's why we call it that.
In January, February, and March, then they would be in September, October, November,
where it's still warm for many parts of the country. Also,
all the best players are not gonna play in the spring.
If you are Trevor Lawrence, or if you are justin

(01:16:39):
Fields or any of the other top players that are
out there, you will not play in the spring because
it makes no sense. That's when you get ready for
the NFL combine. You will have tens of millions of
dollars at stake and virtually nothing to gain. And finally,
and this was urban Meyer's big point about this, in
a larger contact, you're playing two seasons really rapidly. You're

(01:17:03):
talking about not finishing college football until April and then
turning around again and basically playing a few months later
a second season in the fall. That's too much stress
to put on all of these young guys bodies, I
would agree, I do. It's it's a lot of games.
It's a lot of football. Um in truth, would it

(01:17:26):
be like, not really, you know, not really, but I
that's the argument that's being made by a lot of
football people, especially NFL people and agents, and that does
trickle down to college football. Um. I also think that
it would do damage to the n c A tournament
where you know, though that doesn't technically affect college football

(01:17:50):
because they are separate from each other, their separate entities.
College football in no way is not really overseen by
the n c A outside of the rules and regulations.
Um that n c termin is. It's that's the pot
luck for all the n schools, and I think that
would be an issue. That's why it's the last possible
thought to get the season in. Say, all right, Coming

(01:18:13):
up next, I there's a new list out and I
like these lists. I like when they pull actual NFL people.
What the list of the top ten wide receivers tells
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What up Doug gotlip Show, Fox Sports Radio. You know
when when it's a tradition as old as time. We
run out of things to talk about, we do a
list and it makes people go crazy. But I do
think that I do think that some lists are better

(01:18:57):
than others. And I, you know, I like this. By
the way, we have we have other football stuff to
get to. The Jags are planning for twenty percent capacity
in Florida. What does that mean? Also, people were wearing masks.
We'll get to some NFL stuff in a second. Um.
But Jeremy Fowler, he went out and he asked more

(01:19:23):
than fifty NFL executives, coaches, uh scouts and players to
help stack up the top ten players at eleven different positions.
The results might surprise you, he said. So I looked
at this list and I thought, man, that's kind of
interesting to me, right, like super super interesting to me,

(01:19:46):
because you know, on this list you get a lot
of different stuff. One of the things you get is
you get a you know, really a complete sense of
exactly how the league is thinking. And and maybe the
most remarkable or maybe most interesting part about the about

(01:20:07):
the wide receiver's list is that when I look at it,
I realized what the world thinks of Odell Beckham Jr. J'
listen is the fourth best wide receiver in the National
Football League, and that's fifty people vote on it, So
you know he is a super talented guy. He wants

(01:20:28):
the football, and you know he obviously has the talent
to demand the football. Twenty five wide receivers eclipped eclipsed
a thousand yards in two thousand nineteen, and that doesn't
include Davante Adams, who was of course injured, Tyreek Hill
or Adam thieland almost significant time because of injury. I

(01:20:50):
thought that was that was interesting. You know again, it's
it's not just that you have um that you have
this list of guys, it's who It doesn't necessarily include
Julio Jones at one, Michael Thomas to DeAndre Hopkins at three,
Odell Beckham at four, Tyreek Hill at five, Mike Evans

(01:21:12):
at six, Davante Adams at seven, Keenan Allen gets gets forgotten.
He's at eight, Chris Godwin at nine, and Marie Cooper
at ten. In other words, you have two wide receivers
in the top ten, both who play with Tom Brady.
Maary Cooper eleven. That's a pretty fascinating list. This is

(01:21:32):
what NFL people think. Now, does that mean Tom tom
Brady now has weapons? Now? The weapons aren't like any
of the ones he had previously, but he's got two
Mike Adams and Chris Godwin two in the top nine. Um.
I would guess that Jarvis Landry is in that top
twenty group. That would mean Baker Mayfield. I have to

(01:21:54):
Davante Adams at seven. I do think it speaks to
just how special the Packers were able to be, considering
he's the best red zone target in the league and
he missed a portion of time. And while there's this
need by so many people for the Packers to reach
out and go get wide receivers, they have a good

(01:22:14):
young group. They have actually a very good young group,
and though people want them to go get another wide receiver,
that there is the there is at least the thought
that had they reached in the late in the first round,
because all the rest of the all the wide receivers
that were first round grade guys, we're all gone. Had
they reached for that need there, Alan Lazard ends up.

(01:22:38):
How does he feel? What? How did you? Well? He
he gets motivated. I find it really interesting that people
don't understand how good, how into their prime the Packers.
Packers are Aaron Jones is a top ten running back,
that's fair, right, Davante Adams is a top five wide

(01:22:59):
receive eiver, top six whatever, Alan Lazard, Marquez Valda's scantling,
he's right there, okay. And they signed Devin Funchess, who's
a big, strong wide receiver. If healthy, he showing the
building to catch fifty or sixty balls. It's the Packers
thing is interesting to me. It's like they would have

(01:23:21):
rather reached for a guy who would have got caught
up in a numbers game. And oh yeah, by the way,
like how much our rookie is really going to help
in their inability to obtain knowledge of a new offense
when they can't have O. T, A. S. And I
will grant you that. At the time of the draft,
I don't think anybody thought this would have dragged on
that long, but it has. I look at this list

(01:23:43):
and I think, man Tom Brady's got two guys that
well respected better make some plays even though he don't
fit how he really has played previously. And I'm not
sure how many people understand how how good Davante Adams
is and how much the Packers were able to six
seed for a good portion of the season despite the
fact that he didn't play in some of these games, right,

(01:24:07):
So that that to me, that to me is fascinating stuff.
But it also speaks to how some guys can some
guys can actually fool you with their stats. I take
a look at that top ten list of wide receiver.
Let's take a look at listen to those that top
ten list, and obviously you would include You know that

(01:24:28):
Travis Kelsey is a tight end slash wide receiver. He's
a freak. But those are guys that all we're unbelievable
in terms of their volume and their production. Cooper Cups
not on that list. Mike Evans is even though Mike
Evans missed three games. DeAndre Hopkins played fifteen games, had

(01:24:48):
a hundred and four receptions and he was I think
not in the top ten in terms of yards. Michael
Thomas has scene is the second best wide receiver, but
he caught a hundred and forty nine balls that is,
uh thirty three more than anybody else in the league.
And the second the second most receptions was actually Christian McCaffrey.

(01:25:13):
It speaks to how well they used Julian Edelman in
what the Patriots we're able to do, and how his
role was really that above his level. I feel like
Cooper Cup doesn't get the respect that he deserves, whereas
Godwin gets maybe a little bit too much respect. And
then the other guy that I kind of feel like

(01:25:34):
he's missing from this group, which is you know, Odell
Beckham Jr. Only seventy four catches last year. That speaks
to the league thinking he's he's uh, he's got more
in him, He's got more in him than they're getting
out of him. But the only other guy that I
was thinking d J Shark was is a guy who
I think could make that list. Sneaky goodwide receiver, seventy

(01:25:57):
three catches from Jacksonville, but all the usual suspects Marii.
Cooper making the list speaks to what Dallas thinks about him.
That's why they gave him all that money. All of
this makes sense. I think the pressure goes on Tom
Brady if if they can't produce with those two weapons
as well respected as they are, and I'm talking about

(01:26:18):
Godwinning Mike Evans, then suddenly you start to realize, Hey,
waybe maybe Tom Brady doesn't have it anymore, doesn't have
it anymore, um some kind of side notes to it.
Three of them have been traded at some point their career,
obviously Hopkins in this offseason, a Mari mid season going

(01:26:40):
back a year and a half ago, Odell Beckham Jr.
In the off season two off seasons ago. But I
don't know. I jump out this. I look at this
list and I think Julio is a freak. Mike Evans
is amazing, DeAndre Hopkins who is going to get paid
at a crazy, crazy level. And though Houston, you might

(01:27:01):
think why they get rid of him, that's gonna be
a big paycheck that he wants. O'Dell Tyreek and the
Tyreek Hill thing. I mean, he makes very little money
comparison to everybody else because of his continuing off the
field issues, and that probably allows Pat Mahomes to get
a little bit more money. Mike, Mike Evans, Davante Adams,

(01:27:23):
Keenan Allen also Keenan Allen crazy secretly underplayed now. Davante
Keenan Allen had four out of five years in which
he couldn't finish the season going back to college because
of injury. That's one reason he's underpaid, and the Chargers
get out in front of it. Alright. Coming up next,
the Jaguars are are preparing to only allow capacity for

(01:27:44):
the upcoming season. Right move, wrong move or red herring
we'll discuss next. Be sure to catch the live edition
of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three pm
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I got a problem with j J Reddick. I like
JJ a lot um. JJ Redick one of those guys

(01:28:08):
that it's interesting, you know. I remember when j J
was drafted out of Duke and you'd say, like, man,
he was taking with the eleventh pick overall in the
two thousand and six NBA draft. Pere like, I don't know, right,
that's kind of high and you look back now and

(01:28:28):
you try and figure out, all right, it was was
did he live up to the draft expectations? Andrea barn
Janni went one overall of Marcus Aldridge. Two, Adam Morrison.
You should check out my podcast without a more. Sanama
was awesome. Three, Tius Thomas four, Sheldon Williams like five
Brandon Roy six, Randy Foy seven, Rudy Gay eight, Patrick

(01:28:51):
O'Brien nine, Mohammed san A ten, and JJ Reddick eleven. Like,
you could make the argument that outside of LaMarcus Aldrich
and Rudy Gay, I mean, he's been the best draft
pick of that entire first round. That's not even that's

(01:29:12):
not even a crazy argument, not even a crazy argument.
You go through that entire draft, like, wow, it's pretty
remarkable that Paul Millsap went in the second round. He
might be the third best draft pick of the entire draft.

(01:29:33):
So I like j J. A lot. I think he's
a great interview He's got a podcast. He did a
sit down with Taylor Rooks and he said, and Kevin
Durant two thousand and six, he when he enjoined the
Warriors Lebron James. When he makes a decision, there always
be a group of fans that want to make the argument, Oh,
he took the easy way out. He went and joined
Dayne Wade, Chris Bosh in Miami, or in Durant's place,
he went and joined a team that just beat him
in the NBA playoffs. But I think the underlying reason

(01:29:54):
for the reaction to Kevin and Lebron making those decisions.
People were uncomfortable with powerful black men making a decision
for them selves. I really believe that. Huh what j J,
j J, what the hell are you talking about the

(01:30:14):
negative reaction to Kevin Durant's decision. And by the way,
for the record, I was the one who's like, I
get it just basketball wise, they were playing one to
two on five in terms of the spacing on the court.
You know, do I think it was he that he

(01:30:37):
didn't play well in Game six and that we don't
normally see that, and I don't know, joining him just
felt a little dirty, Like sure, but if he said
he made a decision because of basketball, that made sense,
made sense. But JJ basically saying that's because they're black, racism,
that's why, Like J J, that's just stupid, that's ignorant.

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Because and I got in this. I got in this
discussion with John Calipari one year. You know, John Calipari
was then the coach at Memphis and uh, one of
his teams after he lost the National Championship game, he
lost Eric Rose. That was a great team that actually
wasn't as talented a team NBA wise, as as the

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Kansas team they're playing against. But it was a great
team and Derrick Rose obviously they were two minutes away
from the national chainship, up nine missing free throws, gave
up a three as time expired, lost and overtime. But
one of his next couple of teams was really young.
And I was asked to, you know, like a pregame show,
how do you beat Memphis? And I said, yeah, put
him in the half court and make him think. He

(01:31:44):
calls me, he says that's racist, Like, what, well, that's racist,
you said, make him think. You know, I have an
all black team. Make him think you're saying that they're
black kids. They can't think. And I said, I said, John,
if you were to do a self scout, your self scout,
how would you scout your team? I say, well, He's like, well,
we're much better and we're good. We're kids, are tough,

(01:32:07):
they get after defensively. You know, we're really good in transition.
We're learning in the half court. I was like, Okay,
do you learn more the longer you play? Like? Yes?
Do you think you become better in the half court
the longer you play? Yes? Do you think you basketball
like you grows the longer you play. Sure, Okay, so
what am I missing? My scout? Yourself scout is the
same I got. I got fifteen to five seconds to

(01:32:28):
say what I want. I can't make a comment about
your team considering they're all black and I'm white. And
then if you want to make it to be racist,
like why are you searching for something that's not there?
When you play a Roy Williams coach team at Kansas
and half white, half black, whatever they were, then all
black doesn't matter. The way to be Roy Williams team

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is put him in the half court, don't let him run.
Why would I say make him think? Nothing new with
them being black at Memphis. It has to do with
the fact that when you're young, you just react. You
don't have to. You're just playing and having fun. Now
sudden way way they're changing defense. They're big in a
half court, they're slowing the game down. We got to
get into running an offense and understanding time and score.

(01:33:09):
That's that's thinking. It doesn't mean that they want accrue
that knowledge. It's not part and parcel to like you're
searching for something like J J. If you went back
and watched the people who are most vicious on the
attacks of Kevin Durant, where Stephen A. Smith called it
the weakest move in the history of the sport. Stephen A.

(01:33:29):
Smith closet racist, Like that's just an ignorant comment any
decision made by powerful NBA players if you go against it,
like one, if it's because basketball players have power, Like
all right, Shaquille O'Neil was a free agent forces in crime.
Jabar forced his way out of Milwaukee, Like obviously we

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didn't have Sports Talk TV, but the powerful black men
in the NBA have made decisions for years. The critics
system of Lebron James and look, I will grant that
j j was in college at the time. It's like
a freshman. If he goes back and remembers it's because
they went to the Eastern Conference finals two years a

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row and sixty six and sixty one games, and then
he left and formed a super team in Miami, leaving
his hometown team. That was the criticism, and a lot
of people weren't criticizing him at all after Dan Gilbert
had that stupid letter, right, the comic sans letter, But
the reason that everybody was the only reason people are
man We're like, why did you do some weird press
conference in Greenwich, Connecticut? Why did you have what's his

(01:34:34):
name Gray doing the doing the interview And it was
like he was setting you up for question. Its very weird. Um,
and oh yeah, by the way, like you're going to
a what at the time was thought to be a
passionless sports town in Miami would already won a title.
Just you're forming a superteam, Like all right, could have

(01:34:57):
gone to New York. That meeting obviously was a disaster. Um.
He looked around and he wanted to go to Miami,
but it was in no way critical of him because
he was a black man, making it like that's just dumb.
That's like we we we can't default everything on it's
gotta be racism. I got in this argument with with

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who wasn't John Feinstein on on Twitter like Chicago Bears
picked the wrong quarterback when the Chiefs draft of Pat
Mahomes and the Texans drafter Deshaun Watson. But I actually
talked to the Bears like race had nothing to do

(01:35:37):
with why they selected Mitchell Robinsky. Now, a lot of
people were critical of the Mitchell Drabinsky draft pick when
it was when they traded up in the draft to
take Mitche Robinsky, he had only started I think like
fourteen games at North Carolina. You can make a bad
decision and Ryan paces the GM of the Chicago Bears

(01:35:57):
by misevaluating a guy and having no thing to do
with race. Shaun Watson had been hurt in college. They
took the entire front office and scouting department to see
his pro day, and for whatever reason, they didn't like it.
They all went and saw Pat Mahomes and they liked it.
And they thought and this was I was told higher

(01:36:18):
ceiling than Mitch Robinsky, lower floor, lower floor, and other
people thought that. And remember that Pat Mahomes has always
been a super talent, but he had some flaws coming
out of college. But he worked with one of the
best quarterback gurus and offensive staffs in football to the the
Kancity Chiefs. He didn't play the first sixteen games of

(01:36:38):
the season, didn't play in the playoffs. The first year.
They surrounded him with just Tyreek Hill, Sammy Watkins, Travis Kelsey,
like dude after dude after dead dudes everywhere, and great
play caller. And he had a year to learn all
this helped all his talent come out. You can make
a bad decision like Bears did not be about race.

(01:36:58):
You cannot like Lebron James or Kevin Durant leaving the
only team they never played for and not making about race.
That one's embarrassing. That the JJ Reddick one is embarrassing
to me because the most the people most critical, most

(01:37:19):
critical of Kevin Durant, specifically his decision were former NBA
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(01:37:43):
Buyer and find out what's going on dB. What he got, Doug.
The big news in Major League Baseball today is that
Buster Posey is opting out to the short and sixty
games season. On a call with reporters today, he explained
how he and his wife have adopted premature twin baby girls.
They're required to be in the nick you and Posey
says that right now just came down to the unknown.
We can go today. Identical twin girls were born that

(01:38:06):
my wife and I are adopting, and the adoption actually
became official yesterday afternoon, and my wife, myself, and our
older children are just overwhelmed with joy to welcome into
our family, to love them unconditionally and just just share life.
Put down that for Buster Posey. Earlier today, news from
the NFL, Broncos safety Justin Simmons will sign his franchise

(01:38:28):
tender by the end of the weekend, according to our
report from ESPN. The MMQB reports that the NFL Players
Association was notified that there's no agreement with owners on
opt outs or when players would report the camp. Also,
the sides haven't come to a conclusion on whether a
positive COVID nineteen test would be considered a football injuryl
of more NFL news coming up in the press and

(01:38:49):
how training camps could go forward, Duke coach David Cutcliffe
says he favors a plan in the a s C
where they only played conference opponents that would mirror the
plan that the Big Ten announced that they could go
to this fall. Were college football in golf second round
play at the Workday Charity Open. They started play, they stopped,
they resumed, and they had to stop again. They're back
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done for the day at thirteen under par Doug back
to you, Doug Olive Show, Fox and Sports Radio. We
the Buster Posy thing. You know again, I'm not big
on opting out, uh for four guys when you know
they they make well, that's justice reform? Is it for

(01:39:32):
my family? Sorry, it is a job. I do think
it's a little different when you got premature twins you
just adopted. Do I believe he could go Yeah, but
I don't think it's unreasonable. I also think it'd be
reasonable for him to play. You know, like, look, you're
gonna bring home prettymture twins, but you got four eight

(01:39:54):
and under and two our premies. You're probably gonna have
a nanny. Probably gonna have a nanny. But you know,
because of the way Major League Baseball's bubble works, where
you're you're coming home every night, I don't think it's crazy.
I don't think it's crazy. I don't think it's But
the guys were seeing opt out from Major League Baseball

(01:40:15):
or almost all mid thirties, all accomplished, all a ton
of money, and they're just like, yeah, because that's what happens.
Once you played baseball a lot of these guys for
ten fifteen years. You'd like it, but your love for
it is a little worn off, whereas your kids you love.
I get it, I get it. I also like to work,

(01:40:37):
and I would love to be a professional baseball player.
But I haven't made a hundred million dollars and one
an m v P and won a World Series. I
can't tell you what my level of love for it
would be. Saw this. Um, let's get to Bob Nightingale,
who covers Major League Baseball for USA today. Boba Buster
posey not playing. I mean, like, look that the adoption

(01:40:58):
just went through. What is this due to the San
Francisco Giants. Mean, he's not the same player his reputation said,
but he is a leader of that team. Yeah, and
the big time leader. Uh and he was having a
great spring, he looked, he rejumerated. I thought that Giants
actually had a chance to be a surprise team because
of the veteran team. Uh, an older team. But they've

(01:41:22):
they've won three World Series. A bunch of them had
been around for least titles World Series champions. I thought
they could surprise, but he's You're right, you can't just
look at his stats and say, well, they're not gonna
miss him much because of just what he meant to
that young to that pitching staff, and what he meant
in that clubhouse. Yeah, and this is the no I mean,

(01:41:42):
how different the Giants. No Bruce Bocci and no Buster Posey.
That is a different organization it is, you know, they're
they're rebuilding. Uh. But that's the last story actually wrote
and I never I think I sent it into the
paper but never got published. Was right when the baseball
we shut down, but just on the Giants players thinking

(01:42:03):
they had a chance, like okay, everybody's coming us out.
But we've all, uh you know, we've all had nice careers.
We think we can do this. I thought, you know,
for sixty games, anybody can do it. Uh. But yeah,
it's a it's a yeah, a big hit, but certainly understandable,
you know, especially talking about a uh you know, adopting

(01:42:23):
twin girls who are born thirty two weeks old. Yeah,
I have I have premis their their fourteen now they
were thirty and five weeks so I know what that
life is like. And uh, uh, sleep deporation will be
part of his life when they come home. In the meantime, Yeah,
you actually have some time to prepare while he gets
they get great medical medical treatment. Let's let's get you

(01:42:46):
ready for four Major League Baseball. Um, this is this
uncharted territory in terms of sixty games season. Who on paper,
who's most built for this kind of short run? You know?
Just I mean anybody has a chance. So that you
know the team that's kind of stand you know what
you can get away with it? Uh, that team on paper,

(01:43:08):
certainly Los Angeles Dodgers even out David Price, but you know,
you don't need a deep team, and they're great for depth.
I think you know they were going to run away
with the NL West again. You know, maybe now someone
can stay with them, whether the Diamondbacks or you know,
the Pods or cover Rocky something like that. You never know.
So I think it's with a short season, it gives

(01:43:30):
anybody a chance, particular teams that had no chance at one, six, two,
All of a sudden, anybody can have a nice stretch
of games and we're gonna see some surprises make the playoffs,
and we're gonna see some very good teams get left out.
Do you think the universal d h Um, it's here
to stay. I do I know next year, you know,

(01:43:51):
we're supposed to go back to your old rules, which
doesn't make any sense to me because in the pictures
haven't hit all year anyways? Will go the humorous hyatt,
I do believe it's her to stay. Uh, we're not
going to wool it out for next year, but there's
no way it will be around them in two thousand
twenty two, we'll have universals for sure. Um. What about

(01:44:11):
the I mean, I love the fact that they're staying regional? Um,
could this be something that is here to stay where
you in order to cut costs? Because look, the teams
are gonna lose money every game they play. Do you
think the schedule adjustment on some level will will will
stay this way where you you mostly stay in your
home area. No, they'll go back to normal format next

(01:44:33):
year because right now it's it's tough, especially at wild
card teams, and if you only have tim playoff teams,
it really favors uh. You know, like teams in the A,
L and all Central where you don't have any of
the big money teams. UH, in the East, very tough
to get wild card teams out of there because the
schedule is so tough. But I do believe it sets

(01:44:53):
up in the future when the new collective baring agreement
comes about baseball love to span and they have certainly
love to realign and then just shape up where you
don't mean not even have traditional American League and National
League anymore, but more just geographical reasons. That makes a
ton of sense to me, just to the problem as
it does go against the historic nature of of baseball too.

(01:45:15):
Most likely the city cities to get expansion teams, if
you were to guess, I would think Nashville, in Montreal.
I don't rule out Charlotte. I don't rule out Portland, Oregon. Uh,
I don't see you know, I don't. I don't see
Vegas in the mix. But I would think that those
four I like Nationals Chances and uh in Montreal, both

(01:45:36):
both places you've seen need to get new stadiums. What happens,
I mean, we've seen so many minor league teams. There's
minor leagu teams that are gonna close up shop before this.
Now you have basically the minor leagues is not having
a season. What does minor league baseball look like going
forward towards next year, Well, we're gonna about you know,
at least forty teams eliminated, maybe more some of these

(01:45:58):
minor league owners. So you know, I can't cut it.
I'm out. Uh, it's gonna have a different look. You know,
we're gonna have at least twenty rounds next year. Are
you talking about you know, more and more players you
know not being around? So uh, I kind of worry
about the future manly baseball. I think some places are
here to say you know what you know for it
and we're not gonna have a team anymore. Yeah, it's

(01:46:20):
it's it's sad because it's such a proud part of
the game and it's probably part of like summer culture.
You mentioned Charlotte, like in in the Carolina's just a
proud minor league area. Bob Nightingale joining us in the
Doug Gotlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio. I'm intrigued
by the Yankees and how they approach this season. Um,

(01:46:41):
Yankees Dodgers and Yankees Dodgers. You loved them to be
on on collision course. They go out and they signed
the biggest highest price free agent arm, But how do
they use their starting pictures, like do we feel like
are these guys preparing to go four or five? Like?
What what is the general sense you get in terms
of how guys are used. Well, I think they'll go away,

(01:47:01):
uh traditional five man rotation, those guys will start off
with you five inning, sixth man. But because of the
early sixty game schedule, I wouldn't be surprised to see
teams can have adopt with the Washington Nationals didn't last
in the playoffs, but Davy Martinez had guy you start
and then about throwing in the bullpen, you put the

(01:47:23):
guy in the metal relief in the game, that sort
of thing. But tricklely down the stretch. You got to
be careful that nobody gets hurt. But down the stretch
and any some needs some winds are to get the playoffs.
I could see people doing some innovative things for sure?
Am I crazy to be a Look I'm an Angel fan?
Am I like? Show? Hey, Otani before he got hurt,

(01:47:46):
was an elite level pitcher and you know, even through injury,
has shown himself to be an elite level hitter. Obviously,
pitching is a huge huge factor for the Angels as
they've just been besieged by injuries. But am I crazy
to think, you know, with Houston leveling off and losing
some pieces and losing their manager. You know, I don't

(01:48:08):
you know, Seattle's in major rebuild mode? Am I crazy
to like the Angels? You're not question you think they
have a chance because they do. Uh. And the Angels
do not have pitching depths as far as starters, but
you know what I mean, his piecemeal starts together. Uh,
you know, game by game, you got a chance. Uh.
Several scouts and baseball executives told me before baseball was

(01:48:30):
shut down, it was the most scary offense they've seen
in Italy. Uh. They thought it would have had a
chance to do some real damage. And you know, obviously
they still can. Uh. You know, Tony is still a
very good hitter. You know, you got Rondon to go
with Trout and pull holes up to this healthy. So yeah,
they could, Uh they could create some noise for sure. Um. Okay,

(01:48:50):
so we got a hurricane FAE. Obviously that's in the
in the Northeast. But as the commissioner stated, like, look,
we're in a really tight time schedule. What happens in
terms of weather, like they are are they just gonna
do doubleheaders? How do they make up games? Because inevitably
there will be weather as a factor on some level. Yeah,

(01:49:11):
I mean they uh, you know they're gonna wipe out
some months, you know, spring training stuff for sure. And
uh and we'll see you only got six off days?
Uh six six the game schedule for six or six days,
and you can do double hitter. It's only trouble with
double hitters a couple of things on and say, uh,
you know the social distancing everything else. You don't want

(01:49:32):
players to be around each other for six seven streight hours.
That could be a problem. And too you know the
people really want to sit in their house and watch
six seven hours straight up baseball games. They don't. There's
no sense to have a split double hitter because there's
no fans. But now back to back games, I'm not
sure there's great for TV ratings either. I saw where
in Japan they're gonna let five thousand fans in to

(01:49:54):
start capacity? Is is that their max? Is there a
plan if things die back down to letting people in
the parks. That's a baseball life hospitality. Remember at one point,
Detective Governor was saying, hey, you know, you know, come
on in from opening day on. You know, of course
now with the virus hitting and sex is hard, you

(01:50:15):
know that those ideas are out. But no, I think
it's up to the image old UH city. So how
many fans are gonna allow But even in New York
or so our house down burnt by the end of
the year, maybe have capacity. I think that's what is
baseball's hope right now. The only place you can watch
live games would be UH regularly filled the rooftops and

(01:50:36):
the ballpark village there in St. Louis. Yeah, no, but
I do think that that's why they kept the home stadiums.
They're gonna keep it, and and think about the think
about how before it was like, well they're all open up,
let's move everybody to Texas, everybody to Florida and Arizona.
And now that would have been an epic and complete
disaster considering right now they got one point nine positive testing, right,
I can't imagine if they were solely in those states. Bob,

(01:50:57):
I'm like you, I can't wait till baseball gets back.
We'll talk war as we get closer. Thanks so much
for join us. Have a great weekend, all right, Bob
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(01:51:18):
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you too straight at Vegas, we get you to the press,
the press Danviron. What do you got, Doug? We start

(01:51:41):
out in Major League Baseball COVID nineteen numbers in from
the test that they are doing a Major League Baseball
revealed that they've completed their intake screenings with one point
a positive of positive tests. Over thirty seven people were screened.
Now moving on to monitor testing. So far of the tests,
seventeen are positive. That is point two percent. So Major

(01:52:04):
League Baseball getting at least some good news when it
comes to the COVID nineteen numbers. Is they try to
return Yeah, that's like the first good news we've had
in a while. Right on on this stuff. Um Notre
Dame not have any positive tests. Somebody else had no
positive tests? So I think Yukon had no positive tests,
so it is important to report the good news as

(01:52:26):
well as the bad. How about this news from TSN
in Canada saying that Toronto Blue Jay players have been
told that they could face a fine of seven and
fifty thousand dollars or jail time if seen outside their
confines in Toronto. Travis Shaw said, quote, we were told
two weeks, not all summer. All summer is a bit much.

(01:52:47):
Blue Jay's, by the way, having been officially allowed to
play games in Toronto yet by the Canadian government. If
they aren't for some reason, if Major League Baseball doesn't
allow them to resume, that end up having to play
their home games at their spring training facility in Florida.
So that's still up in the air. In a much
different situation for the Blue Jays than the other teams
in Major League Baseball. Well that's why the Toronto Raptors

(01:53:10):
got on a plane and flew down to Orlando like
a week before everybody else. They're like, yeah, we're out
of here. A c C Commissioner, John Swofford released a
statement saying that the league will have a decision on
the status of false sports in late July, dukead coach
David Cutcliffe says that he favors the plan for the
a c C similar to what the Big Ten is
doing and having conference only opponents. Yeah. Look, the the

(01:53:31):
the issue that that you run into. I I get it,
and I like it and I understand it. We had
David Revson on earlier. You can download the podcast and
listen to it and he's like, look, part of it
is just the idea of you know, what everyone's practices
are in terms of testing. Um. Look, I think that
this is a great way for college football, especially with
these bloated conferences. You know, if they if they want

(01:53:54):
to if they want to cut out the the American,
they want to cut out the MAC, they want to
cut out CUSA and some of these Independence and the
Mountain West. The easiest way to do so just play
each other. And in the a c C. I mean,
how many teams when they see there's fourteen? Right? Yeah,

(01:54:16):
isn't there because when they I thought it was fifteen
with Notre Dame, right, So that's what it is. It's yeah,
County Notre Dame is fifteen. So I mean you can
easily play all your games and you have more true
conference champion. It's funny I think of seating in conference
tournaments to remember what are how many schools are in

(01:54:36):
each conference? And news in the NFL Jacksonville Jaguar saying
that they'll only accommodate of their capacity at home games
this season. They're helping for the full house. Oh that's
that was a softball that was throwing up to uh
right right at shoulder length, swung on and belted in

(01:54:59):
The NFL Net report says the league will require fans
to wear masks if they are allowed in stadiums this season.
As for training camps, fans won't be allowed to attend
those practice sessions, but teams will be allowed to have
up to two fan events at stadiums with strict protocols
in place at those venues. That's has of now. All
of this could change, right and and if you have

(01:55:21):
no games, I I don't I would assume that the
teams would want to have some sort of gate I know,
like certain teams. I know the Packers have had a
Family Night for years, which is the week before the
their preseason opener, where they would scrimmage and have events
like that. So maybe you could see other teams doing
that and maybe other teams doing that twice if we

(01:55:43):
actually are allowed to do that, as you said, so
news just did for the NFL as a shack. Barrett
of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers is going to sign his
franchise tender first broken by Adam Schefter. He got lead
on that one, yes, but is filing a grievance because
he wants to be tagged as an EFFE and s
E end and not a linebacker. Defensive end makes about

(01:56:04):
seventeen point eight million under the franchise tag. Linebacker makes
about fifteen point eight million. Led the NFL and sacks
last year with nineteen and a half. But he was
he playing three four and four three? Um, you know,
I don't even I would assume that it's probably in
a three four. I can't remember in the Buccaneers defense,

(01:56:24):
to be honest with you. Yeah, that's an interesting one, right,
And I would love he's considered an offensively if we
consider an outside linebacker, but he wants to be d
N because uh, you know, d ns make more money.
What I should have done is just done. The question
of like defenses are all over the place these days.
You know you've got the other guys different places like that.
But yeah, I mean, listen, if your job is to

(01:56:45):
get a quarterback, I don't think that the franchise tender
was ever decide, you know, like that's a defensive ends role.
I mean now, but he plays he plays in three four. Yes,
the three four outside linebacker is akin to the defense
to end on a fourth three. Yeah, So I think
maybe maybe the franchise tender tags need to be uh

(01:57:07):
stepped up a little bit. Heck, you get a wide receiver,
you cant have a slot receiver as a you could
have those sort of tenders as well. Um. Other news,
All England Club announcing that six players who qualified for Wimbledon,
which was canceled, will split a pot of twelve point
six million dollars DOUG. So even though you aren't paying
a match and men's and women's singles, you'll still get

(01:57:27):
thirty one thousand, five hundred dollars from the All England Club.
It's not too shabby for they're still collecting a check. Yeah,
they are going to get paid for uh for what
would have been Wimbledon. And this goes not only for
just the men's and women's this goes for the doubles,
mixed doubles. This goes for the wheelchair division as well.

(01:57:48):
Prize money a little bit less in those divisions, maybe
quite a bit less. I think the wheelchair division was
about seventy five dollars. But yeah, so they are paying
the players for not playing. And that's press. Fast bag
it out there and pressed. That was the press by
are you gonna play some golf on Saturday? Your show
on Sunday? It's gonna be a hot one, Doug. I

(01:58:09):
don't know. We'll figure out a way to maybe cool
down this weekend, but maybe maybe a bucket of balls,
just a bucket of balls. I mean, how how I
guess you're insane? You know, I don't want to say
what you are. Sorry, but it's gonna be three tomorrow,
so yeah, you're you're gonna be hotter than the sun.
We'll probably get out early, get to the water pretty
early or something. And I don't know what we're what

(01:58:30):
we're gonna do. We we have learned that you have
friends of the pool. You make really good friends to
that friends of the pool, and you find ways to
send text messages where doesn't say can we use your pool?
But you're essentially saying can we use your pool anyway?
The weekends are leading us two weeks with sports, basketball,
and baseball around the corner. Be safe, We'll talk to
you Monday. Doug Out the Show,

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