August 26, 2020 • 38 mins
Doug talks to Chris Broussard about the future of the NBA playoffs after the players boycotted today’s game following the shooting of Jacob Blake.
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Tug Gotlive Show? Fox Sports Radio. I hope you're having
a great day. UM, interesting times in the NBA. Here's
let me just get you up to date with everything
that I know, and then we'll bring in Chris Brussard,
part of the Odd Couple, which of course you can
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hear on Fox Sports Radio at seven o'clock Eastern time,
four o'clock Pacific time. UM. Overnight there was continued violence
in Wisconsin. UH. Two people were were killed and there's
apparently a seventeen year old who was who is There's
video of him walking down the street as part of
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the protest, and he's like a police sympathizer and he
may be the one who fired on these two people,
not police officers. UM. There's also violence in Houston where
a Houston police officer, Faily shoot shot a man who
opened fire on motorists and police officers like this is
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not good. Jacob Blake continues to recover, although the reports
are he may be paralyzed in the waist down. He
was the victim of a police shooting and that's what
sparked all of this violence in Kenosha, Wisconsin. The family
attorney says he didn't have a weapon in the car.
We don't know that to be the case. We don't
know to not be the case. It's just his family
attorney saying that, Um, there's a lot going on, and
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then today the sports world has reacted. This is let
me play for you a doctor of said last night,
because I there's a couple of things which I disagree with,
but the general gist of it is really really good
and really heartfelt. And it's a little over a minute long. Okay,
So Doc Rivers team played magnificent basketball last night. Paul
George looked like the max contract player that he's been
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deemed be. They thumped the Mavericks. There was one little
incident where Markis Morris looked like he flat tired the
left heel of Luca don Chick. We can talk about
that if you want. These things seem like they're much
bigger issues, right than than Markieve Moore stepping on somebody's heel. Anyway,
This is Doc Rivers on his thoughts in the moments
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after a massive blowout of the Dallas Mavericks. It's just
so sad. You know. What stands out to me is
just just watching the Republican revenge convention and this this
spewing this fear, right, Like all you hear Donald Trump
and all of them talking about fear. We're the ones
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getting killed, we're the ones getting shot. We're the ones
that were denied to live in certain communities. We've been home,
we've been shot, and all you do is keep hearing
a fear. It's it's amazing why we keep loving this
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country and this country does not love his back. It's
just it's really so sad, like I should just be
a coach, and it's so often reminded of my color.
You know, it's just really sad. We've gotta do better. Well.
The one thing that I think is really important to
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relay is I really disagree with the idea that we
keep loving this country. This country doesn't love us back.
You're talking about some of at least. And I understand
he's saying black people in general, but I would say that, like,
if we're being fair, basketball players in general are some
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of the most beloved citizens of this country. It's just
our and U for their talent, for their image, likeness,
for the way the clothes they wear, or the way
they talk, the music they listen to, the way they
walk everything. So and I don't there isn't any question
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that the that video and other videos are uh, they're
terrible to see on any human beings. And it does
we do seem to see them on black people, black
men especially more often than anybody else. Maybe it's because
those are the ones that are released. I don't. I
don't know, um, but that's Doc kind of laying his
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soul out there. And his dad was a cop, and
he went on to say out he he's a he
doesn't believe in all cops are bad or that you
should defund the police, but there has to be change
has to be changed. Let's catch Isaac Low and club
for Christmas, you guys. Breaking news news from Fox Sports
Palm's Terrantia has just reported that the Los Angeles Lakers
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and Portland Trailblazers are now boycotting Game five of their
playoff series. It had been scheduled to tip off at
nine thirty Eastern, and the NBA, just as I've been speaking,
issuing the following statement, Doug, the NBA and the NBA
Players Association today announced that, in light of the Milwaukee
Bucks decision to not take the floor today for Game five,
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today's three games have been postponed. Game five of each
series will be rescheduled that according to the NBA in
a statement they released right now, Doug, I think that's
a mistake. I think that's a mistake. I'll tell you
why in a second. Chris Brussar joins us on the
Doug Gotlives Show on Fox Sports Radio. Um, what I mean, Like, look,
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obviously these are big statements to refuse to go out
and play. I think it's a mistake because part of
what the Bucks were willing to do is they're willing
to lose the game for this, for their unhappiness to
be noted, to be known for for demanding of a change.
Does it take away from it at all that the
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NBA is like, don't worry about it, We're just gonna
postpone the games, No, not all and and and the
report I saw from Stephanie Readio NBA TV, she said
that the Bucks now they were conflicting reports. I know
one report had I saw something that may have been false,
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but that the Magic were refusing to accept the forfeit
um so, and then that they've made it jointly, like
the Bucks and the Magic made the decision jointly. So
I don't think, um, you know, the of Bucks would
have to lose the game. I think this is uh.
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I think there's a huge statement, Doug. Obviously, and I
gotta be honest, obviously, I'm African American. I've never been
more proud of black last athletes in my life, never
been more proud. This shows that they are willing to
sacrifice their own individual money basketball goals for the betterment
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of African American people. And I couldn't I couldn't spot
them anymore. Um for what they've done. I think it's tremendous.
What what change is reasonable to demand that could be
seen as a as a reason to go Okay, changes coming,
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Let's get back out on the floor and play basketball.
The players probably in Milwaukee probably want the arrest of
the officer who shot Jacob Blake. I would imagine that
that's their most immediate goal. Um, obviously it takes a
little bit of time for things like police reform and
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and long term goals. I personally think there should be
systemic change in education, uh and economic areas, as well
as the judicial system or the criminal justice system. But
obviously that that's a longer time. I do think the
players have immediate goals in mind, and like I said,
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it's probably the arrest of the cop that shot Jacob
Blake and the firing of him as well. He's gonna
leave right now, So firing and arrest, well, you can't
have the problem with asking somebody to be fired. Is
it's just like the NBA with a guaranteed contracting unions.
There there is there's protection there. Obviously, I think the arrest,
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it's all going to depend upon the pace of the investigation.
I don't think that's an unreasonable thing because with an
arrest then he can post bail or bond or whatever.
He's not being held in general population and and you
know then he'll have his his day in court. You know,
if it ever comes to trial, I would assume it
would the investigation continues. I don't think that's unreasonable, but
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the firing of a police officer is hard to do
because of the unions. And that's where like even yesterday
when the powerful you know this like like look at
look at uh we we know a few instances. The
football players at the University of Missouri was the ten
I believe when they threatened the boycott a game and
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wanted to president fired or he ended up resigning, obviously
under pressures, but like the regular student, he had been
calling for his resignation, firing weeks and months the players,
the football players, and we're not playing this weekend, and
he was going on within seventy two hours. Also, look
at meek Mill. Meek Mill, powerful black athletes and entertainment
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have been trying to get him out of prison for months,
five months, I believe, robbing the craft, the owner for
the taste that gets involved, and within two weeks meek
Mill is out. The thing is these you know owners
are obviously very powerful men, and they have connected you
know how America works, and they have connections to powerful
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people and they can get things done quickly. And I
think that's what the player of a county or you
kind of heard a friend Vanlee. No, listen, I I understand,
I understand that I would I would tell you that again. Like,
here's the here's where I think players are a little
bit stuck, right. I think if we got down to it, um,
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you know, there's there's a bunch of different issues. One
of the big issues is that unions protect all of
their members. And this happens with every union. That's what
that's what they do, right. And I think even if
you ask police officers like look, and I don't know
about this particular cop and the number of complaints or whatever,
but one of the issues that police officers have is
that there are there are cops that they all want
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to have gone because they bring that they bring down
the image of the entire police department. But the unions
protect them. And by the way, the unions are supported
by the same party that most of the players seem
to support. Right, So there's a little there's a little
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bit of Yeah. I mean, look, I players shouldn't we
as I'm gonna Americans, which most of the players are.
I don't think we should be locked into one of
the two parties. So I hear you or that I
hear you and that, but and that's a good starting point. Though,
I do believe like these players are making demands of
you know, the n by not the NBA, but demands
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of the owners or the lawmakers by boycotty. I agreed.
I think they African Americans should demand something of their vote.
Why are we if we're gonna vote for you, then
what are we getting out of it? So I'm I'm
with you in your in your think in there, and
hopefully the players recognize that because if they're gonna support
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that party, then they should get something out of it,
and it could be very much related to what they
want they want with this boycott. Uh doug outlives show
here on Fox Sports Radio. So what about the teams tomorrow? Right?
Like these teams all had their game, their boycotting all postponed,
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Like if the grow I was not surprised at all
with what Look once the Bucks and Magic did it.
You knew the other two games another four teams from
you know what I mean? Like they had had no choice. Lebron,
we all know how much he wants this championship and
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how all in he has always been on it. You know,
he wasn't thinking about boycotting during the shutdown, but he
had no choice, He had no can you have iagine
what he would look like and all the social work
he's done, it would all be for not if he
had decided, no, we're gonna play. And I think Doug
the same thing. So be the case tomorrow. I mean,
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you know, like you you make a good point. What
are they asking? There has to be an ass. There
has to be an ass and so we'll when we
find out what exactly that ass is, then will know
more about the games going forward. But I would imagine
right now, Doug, they're not gonna play them row. But
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here's the thing, as we're talking about the powerful men
that run the NBA, you don't think and Adam silver
Mark last read some of these other powerful owners could
make some things happen quickly. Well, like I said that
the one the arrested the officer, you know, and and
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and you know, I know, I actually I actually don't.
I actually don't I think arresting. I look, I think
there's a I think there's a I think what can
happen is you can end up having the opposite of
the intended effect. Okay, this is really important for people
to realize, like, look, if you really this, this is
a this is a big thing for me. Everybody wants
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justice and that is a reasonable desire in our country, right,
and what justice looks like And I think this is
what what you're saying, Chris, and so is guy gets arrested, guy,
you know, evidence is collected, goes to trial and if
it's a bad shoot, he goes to jail. If it's
a clean shoot, he doesn't. Right, that's what justice actually
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looks like. You don't have to agree with the decision
whenever a jury or the the judge finds. But that's
that's justice. That's and and in the in the meantime,
like there's a process of getting to it. The issue
with forcing the hand of the state attorney general to
to arrest a guy before an investigation is complete and
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interviews are conducted, is you run the risk of hurting
the investigation of of a possible mistrial, Like there's a
reason everything takes time. I got it, you got him
on film, shooting a guy. It doesn't appear to be
that hard. But I'm also not a lawyer, and I
don't know about about the proper protocols that have to
be in place, and I know that if NBA guys think, hey,
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if we don't play a game, you have to arrest
a guy, and even though that's not the way it works,
it ends and could end up having the opposite of
the intended effect, and you don't get the justice that
people are rightfully demanded. Yeah. Look, I think that things
a lot of things going behind the scenes, and that
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that you know, steps or skips in various situations. And
I think that these wealthy corporate titans in America, just
like I've brought up Meek Mill, while the a sudden
Robert Kraft, I mean in two weeks, Meek Mill was
out two weeks. They have been saying the same things
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you're saying. It takes months, it takes time, and that
two weeks it was out Robert Kraft when trouble he
got into down in Florida disappeared. It can happen, and
I think that's what the players are looking for. Chris Bruce,
are you checked by the odd couple? That is seven
o'clock Eastern, four o'clock Pacific, Chris, great stuff, Thanks for
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joining us. Be sure to catch the live edition of
the Doug Gottlieb show weekdays at three pm Easter noon
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio Whip.
He's an NBA champion and a two time n c
A champions. Corey Brewers kind of spend some time with
this year in the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Uh, Corey, I,
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I do want to talk about Paul George's amazing night
and some of the things he talked about yesterday. But
let me get your reaction to what unquestionably is the
story of the day and for the for for the
for the next a short time in the NBA. Which
is it started with the Bucks? Of course, home is Milwaukee, Kenosha. Uh.
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I believe it's a suburb actually of Green Bay or
a city closer to Green Bay. Um. But we all
saw the video the games were played last night. DC
Rivers had a heartfelt kind of um thoughts after the game,
and then the Bucks refused to go out and play
the game. The Magic refused to accept a forfeit, and
so the game was postponed, and now all the games
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today are postponed. What's your reaction, I thank god is
just standing up and taking a stand. Um that we
want to change. Man, it's a lot of scelan killing
has been happening. Um, this is just another one in
the show of the NBA. We're together, so what is
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a like, what's a reasonable uh the man? If you will,
like you're you're you're sitting here, like we're not playing
until this happens. To be honest, I have no idea.
It's just this is tough. Guys went to the bubble
to you know, we wanted to make a change, you know, which,
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I had a peaceful protest, everybody was mailing, and then
it's still another killing. And so it's I couldn't even
tell you. It's tough to even grasp what's going on, Like,
after all this has happened with the George Floyd to
Brianna Taylor and we have another killer. Though, it's it's
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tough for guys. I don't know. I don't I don't
know what what's happened. To be honest, Um, I know
that that that's the hard part, Right, It's like everyone's upset.
Anyone who saw the video is it's incredibly disturbing. Right,
You're like, what how how does that happen? And like
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look if you if you said, hey, that guy needs
to be I mean he's already as on leave and
he said, well he needs to be arrested. What if
it's met with a Look, we have a process of investigation.
We have to go through and be thorough before we
arrest him. That's you know what the union agrees to.
These are all kind of prenegotiated. Like that's kind of
the hard part in this, which is, I don't know
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anybody who's not disgusted by what they saw. It's just
the process of getting into you know, how long it
takes to do whatever. Whereas we're dealing with real time
and and NBA players trying to be the voice of
you know, of the of the people and they want
changed now, and change doesn't happen immediately. That's a really
hard part. Yeah, that's the hardest part of everything because
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it's not going to be changed immediately because they're definitely
gonna be the process. There has to be an investigation
and it's gonna take times. So that's what the timetable.
Who knows Corey Brewer joining us here on the Doug
Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. What what is it
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like to be part of this generation of athletes who
have become politically active, because you know, for so long
that wasn't really you know, it wasn't it wasn't necessarily
shut up and dribble until Laura Ingram said it. It
was more, you know, Michael Jordan's kind of philosophy, which
is every you know, the old Republicans by sneakers too, right,
You just like, look, that's not what we do. We
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don't do politics. Lebron really has kind of ushered this
in what's it like to be part of this generation
of athletes? Um, that's that's a great You know, we
have young children. When you have when you have young
little I have three little boys, So I feel like
athletes for kids understand, really understand, especially Lebron he has kids.
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You don't want your kids to grow up and not
feel safe. If a cop poins you over, you want
to you want us so safe. So we have our
voice and at least and everybody people listen to athletes.
So I feel like it's great that we're using our voice.
I do. I do too. You just have to, you know,
it has to be. It's smart to have a balance
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and be willing to listen and talk things through and
I do think I thought I thought that what what
Doc said last night was so poignant because you know,
he's really obviously hurt by it, and he doesn't I
think that's probably part of it is even within the
game of the NBA, and this goes back to um
where Montrez Harold, you know what what he said to Luca, like, look, dude,
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I'm boy do who played played professional basketball, played college basketball.
I never I don't think of that as racist. I
just think of that as, you know, testing a dude's
toughness and talking a little trash. And I think because
we so many of us and I don't know you're
you're may be different. You grew up in the South,
you went to college in the South, and you played
all over. I feel like in the sports bubble things
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are said and done and everyone knows like no one's
really racist, and then when we see things outside like
oh my god, that really exists, that's real life, this
actually happened, it makes it feel more alarming because in sports,
most people get along with each other. No, I totally
agree with you. I grew up in the South and
I've seen a lot of racism. But when when you're
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in sports there's a lot of stuff said, but it's
it's just a sports it's basketball. Guy may say something,
you may say something, but it's it's not it's not
really racist. But once you go outside of the court
and just you see stuff happening, it's hard. It's hard
to even believe that that somebody just shot in the bag,
or somebody somebody dies from a traffic stop. It's it's
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it's it's crazy. Let's let's talk about basketball for a second. Um,
this is Paul George after his incredible performance last night.
Underestimated mental health. Honestly, I had anxiety, a little bit
of depression just being locked in here, you know, just
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I just wasn't there. I checked out and it was
games two, three, four, I wasn't there. I felt like
I wasn't fair. See. I don't know about you, but
but I I buy that. I mean, Charles Barkley, you know, said,
you know there's hurricanes and all the sou I get
all that, but you know, being out of your normal routine,
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out of your normal environment, all this other stuff going
on in the world, and you're watching you watching the
world through a TV set in a hotel room. I
totally understand guys not being their normal selves. What's your
reaction to Paul George saying like, hey, my mental health
wasn't right and I had to figure it out and
got it right last night. Yeah, for sure, I don't
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feel like anybody mental health right. Look, just like you said,
I was in the bubble. When you're in the bubble,
like you can't really do anything was going on outsaw.
You know your family is not there. You're right about
your kids. Um, so I agree with him. Mental health,
he probably wasn't. It was a little depressed, but little
having a little in Zobi. So I'm glad you talked
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to somebody and he got back to being Paul George,
do you think they're better than the Lakers? The Lakers
are built, They're built very differently. You know. The Clippers
have you know, two young stars. They have a lot
of depth, some swagger to them. They got more scoring.
Seems they have more scoring pop off the bench. The
Lakers are a defensive juggernaut and they got Lebron and
they got a d All things being equal, who do
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you like more? Man? That's a tough one. Like you said,
it's hard to it's hard to go against A D
A D and Lebron, especially Lebron James. Lebron James went
to eighth straighte final. But um, I really like the
Clippers team when they're healthy, they get Patrick Belly back healthy,
I think they're gonna be. It's gonna be. It's gonna
be a good series they have to play. But I'm
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not gonna go against Lebron James. Man the way Lebron
James is played in the playoffs and the last fifteen years,
you gotta say the Lakers. You know what's interesting is
I'm I'm fascinating what your response would be like cool?
Why is I mean? He his jump shot is such
a like a line drive, right but he just he
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doesn't really seem to get rattled much. He gets to
his spots, he gets to that right hand, you know,
he I don't know, he almost feels like he's not
even sweating. He's just kind of a machine out there.
Then you have Lebron, who obviously doesn't have the burst
he used to, but so strong and obviously he can
make any pass. We've seen Luca, We've seen hardened, We've
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seen all these offensive explosions. I mean, yesterday, Donovan Mitchell
and um, what's a man's name from Jamal Murry? Oh,
he was unbelievable last night. Let's let's start with Kauai.
What's what's he liked to guard? Tough man just like
you can't you can't get him ready, like you said,
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he's gonna get to the spot. He never changes the demeanor.
And he's big, strong, and you know he wants to win.
He's been a winner and he gets to two m
vps in the finals. So he's one of the toughest
guards for sure. Uh. What what's your thoughts on Luca?
Do you do you think? And now he's not a blur,
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but he knows how to use his body. He can
obviously shoot, he can pass. He struggles sometimes to guard.
But what are your thoughts on Luca in comparison to
some of the other great scoring you know, wings and
guards in the league. He's specially er um, you know,
especially when he's making this step back because he can't pass.
He's big, he's strong, he just knows how to play
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the game. You know, some guys are just they're talented,
but their feel for the game is it's just amazing.
It's field for the game is amazing. Uh, Corey Brewer
joining us on the Dug Gotlip Show. All this stuff aside,
like this is like a historic day, you know where
NBA players like you know what we're not playing today?
Like that is this is a where were you kind
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of moment? This is really, really, really interesting, Corey I.
I appreciate you joining us and giving us your thoughts.
Take care of those three boys of yours and we'll
talk soon. Appreciate it. Thanks him, President's Mind. Doug Gotlip
Show here on Fox Sport Trail. I'm gonna go to
go my i G because i got some negative feedback
on the I G. You guys let me know on
on some phone calls as well. Work a couple in
eight seven seven on Fox. Um, Hi, Doug, I usually
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love your show. This is g crack for you. But
when it comes to a race discussion, you are unacceptably
apologetic for the police, and you pretend that the ingrained
racism this country doesn't exist. I understand where an NBA
player in the NBA, but you're playing the card of
I've been around black people my whole life. Doesn't excuse
the way you discuss the very serious topics. It's very
dismissive and it isn't moving our society forward. You have
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a great opportunity to reach some people who haven't had
as much exposure to the wide range of people who
don't look like them growing up. So maybe instead of
spewing ah, well, you know a couple of cops under stress,
think about the guy walking home every day being harassed
by some bigotting uniform. Again, Like, I hate to be
the guy who points this out, I do. I believe
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that black people, especially black man have felt like they've
been harassed for years by police officers. Sure enough of
my friends, and there's enough data to tell you that. Yes,
I do believe. I don't believe that's a made up feeling,
ok right, But I also think that there's a there's
a reasonable with reasonable in this to the discussion which
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is lacking. See what you want me to say is
there's some ingrained racism and all of these like and
I don't believe it to be true. I don't believe
it to be true. One because many of the cops
who are in some of these videos are not actually white.
And I know that the there's a there's a saying
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or a theory for the the black cop, who's you know,
trying to show up for the white cops. Like I,
I understand all of that. There's a there's a lot
to it, Okay, But I I don't believe that are
in our country is inherently racist at this particular time.
I don't, Um do I think racism exists obviously, um.
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And I think we do a terrible job and many
levels of on sometimes promoting the worst of us. That's
what I really believe. Like the KKK has had rallies
for years around the country. They are despicable human beings
who I have no respect for none, but they've been
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They've had rallies in different cities around the country for years.
But what we do in the media, this is my
own brethren, is we now promote it. And then there's
the the counter protest and you know, like it's it's
hard because it is news. People will watch, but if
you don't put it on TV goes away. Look, that's
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what happened with our president, That's how he got elected.
All of these media people who many of them are
against the cur president of the United States, are many
are in many ways responsible for him winning the presidency.
Why because when he was on TV, the numbers went up,
So like, I put him on TV more, you're gonna
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say something crazy. Meanwhile, it's free advertising, free advertising. I
also think that we the way in which we ingest
social media. We see a videot. Look. They were protests
in Charlotte, North Carolina where they burned things to the ground,
including the team store of the Charlotte Hornets. Not that
I were panthers, not that I care, but they did
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burn it down. Okay, But what that was was there
was a Facebook video from a woman whose husband was
shot and it was terrible to watch the wife and
the daughter upstairs. And then there was another video that
came out a couple of days later, and you're like,
that was actually a good shoot. The guy had some
brain issues for a motorcycle accident. He wasn't responding to
(30:57):
their commands. They told him not to reach for the
gun or they would shoot. They told him not to
reach the gun. He reaches for the gun and they
shoot him, and I don't. And meanwhile, you know, like,
there's this, well, those police officers were racist, Like, no,
are there racist police officers? I would say, based upon
anybody's reasonable assumption, there are some vast majority, I would
(31:19):
say no, and what and what Doc Rivers said last
night's perfect, Like I'm not pro anti cop, I'm anti
bad cop. And there has to be adjustments made to
the unions and things like that. Yes, that's not being apologetic,
but I'm not gonna sit here and and claim that
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racism is rampant through our country and everybody hates each other,
because that either what's what you want to hear. That's
like fear porn. That's not true. Most people get along
with one another. And if you can't, then figure out
if you can't get along with somebody of a different
color skin, you can figure out how to get the
heck out of here. That's that's not not the to us,
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and you have to have enough protections in place. But
what I am for is for people to understand that
when you protest, you have to protest peacefully. And just
like you have to denounce racism, you've got to denounce
people that throw bricks at other human beings, that burned
(32:21):
things down, you know, businesses down, and that had nothing
to do with anything other than I was just wrong place,
wrong time. Like that's not that's not who we are.
That doesn't help the cause anyone's cause for progressing as
a society. And if you think otherwise, I can't really
help you. If you think because I have friends that
are black, that I played a sport that was dominated
(32:43):
by black athletes, that I'm I'm somehow going to claim
that there's a greater level of racism than I see existing. Like, no, yes,
I'm incredibly bothered by the video. But when I would
say we need justice, like what does justice look like?
Investigate if possible, and arrest, okay, and then you have
(33:04):
pre child hearings and whatever, and then you're gonna have
a trial. And here's one of the things you gotta know, Like, look,
did I think those cops should have got off with
Rodney King? Like, no, I watched the video I was
a kid in l A. Was gross, Like, kick the
hell out of that man, um, But you have to
offer up that in our country, you are actually innocent
(33:26):
until proven guilty, even when there's a video of you
shooting another man in the back seven times. That's the way,
that's the way it's written. And trust me when I
tell you you do not want to take that down.
That is an important part of the structure of our country.
So respectfully, if I am, if, if if I am,
(33:47):
If you don't like the way in which I speak
on top of this race, you're allowed to disagree. But
I just try and take a reasonable approach because I
believe that there's like a ninety five to Like. If
I say there's nine of people that aren't racist in
the country, you would lose your mind. But then you
(34:08):
realize there's three fifty million Americans, right, so if only
two percent or one percent are racists. And by the way,
white people aren't the only people that can be racist.
Black people can be racist as well. Like there's a
that's a big number, but it's a small number in
comparison the vast majority of us who just want our
kids to live in a better place, who just want
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to celebrate NBA players that can do things that we
could only dream of doing. I don't know today, Like
this is what happens when racing, sports and and politics
and sports get together. That's the truth, all right, We
got a lot to get too, still got some stuff
to cover. Um, all NBA playoff games have been boycotted
(34:52):
by the players. What about Major League Baseball? Find out next?
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Easter noon Pacific. Isaac
would he got Doug, Adrian war Danowski, and basketball hipster
Zach Low report that every NBA player has been invited
(35:16):
to join a meeting at eight pm Eastern Time tonight
to discuss how they will proceed from here. And this
is actually just coming down right now. A veteran player
just told Chris mannox quote, the season is in jeopardy unquote,
what is the look? I We started the show talking
(35:37):
about Guy's mental health and the issues that Paul George
had were real. I think all of these, in addition
to being very upset at what happened in Kenosha, Like,
I think this is a massive, massive overreaction, massive, Like look,
(35:58):
you want to protest in boycott of game and try
and push for the officer to be arrested if that's
if that's how the guys vote to proceed. I don't
know if it's possible. I don't know where the investigation
is right, but I do know that canceling your season
because of the acts of an officer on a citizen
in Kenosha, Wisconsin, I I don't understand how that makes
(36:23):
things better. Here's another development. The Orlando Magic, including its ownership,
that being the DeVos family, has issued a statement supporting
the Bucks boycott. The statement issued by the Magic we
stand united with the NBA Office, the Players Association, and
the Bucks and the rest of the league condemning bigotry,
racial injustice, and the unwarranted use of violence by police
(36:47):
against people of color. While the Magic has left the arena,
the Milwaukee Bucks have been hunkered down in their locker
room for the last two hours. Or Lando guard Michael
Carter Williams said, we weren't give an advance notice about
the decision, but are happy to stand in solidarity with Milwaukee. Okay,
(37:08):
I mean, I don't know anybody. Is anybody gonna make
a statement for bigotry or unwarranted use of force? You know,
the Bucks thing is interesting. I want to know what
happens when they get on the phone with the state
Attorney general and the discussion there. Um. I mean, like, look,
I actually am for legal forms approaches. I actually think
(37:31):
if you could replay, what they should have done was
go out there for the game and then right before
the game start, then get up and walk out that
would have been a little bit more powerful. Otherwise, message
has been received, get out there and pressed that the
press never been here before. We just we just haven't.
So we'll see what unfolds. Um, you support anybody's right
(37:52):
to a reasonable, peaceful protest, but does that mean you
cancel the season? I think the answer is no. This
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let me just get you up to date with everything
that I know, and then we'll bring in Chris Brussard,
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hear on Fox Sports Radio at seven o'clock Eastern time,
four o'clock Pacific time. UM. Overnight there was continued violence
in Wisconsin. UH. Two people were were killed and there's
apparently a seventeen year old who was who is There's
video of him walking down the street as part of
(01:08):
the protest, and he's like a police sympathizer and he
may be the one who fired on these two people,
not police officers. UM. There's also violence in Houston where
a Houston police officer, Faily shoot shot a man who
opened fire on motorists and police officers like this is
(01:29):
not good. Jacob Blake continues to recover, although the reports
are he may be paralyzed in the waist down. He
was the victim of a police shooting and that's what
sparked all of this violence in Kenosha, Wisconsin. The family
attorney says he didn't have a weapon in the car.
We don't know that to be the case. We don't
know to not be the case. It's just his family
attorney saying that, Um, there's a lot going on, and
(01:55):
then today the sports world has reacted. This is let
me play for you a doctor of said last night,
because I there's a couple of things which I disagree with,
but the general gist of it is really really good
and really heartfelt. And it's a little over a minute long. Okay,
So Doc Rivers team played magnificent basketball last night. Paul
George looked like the max contract player that he's been
(02:18):
deemed be. They thumped the Mavericks. There was one little
incident where Markis Morris looked like he flat tired the
left heel of Luca don Chick. We can talk about
that if you want. These things seem like they're much
bigger issues, right than than Markieve Moore stepping on somebody's heel. Anyway,
This is Doc Rivers on his thoughts in the moments
(02:40):
after a massive blowout of the Dallas Mavericks. It's just
so sad. You know. What stands out to me is
just just watching the Republican revenge convention and this this
spewing this fear, right, Like all you hear Donald Trump
and all of them talking about fear. We're the ones
(03:02):
getting killed, we're the ones getting shot. We're the ones
that were denied to live in certain communities. We've been home,
we've been shot, and all you do is keep hearing
a fear. It's it's amazing why we keep loving this
(03:23):
country and this country does not love his back. It's
just it's really so sad, like I should just be
a coach, and it's so often reminded of my color.
You know, it's just really sad. We've gotta do better. Well.
The one thing that I think is really important to
(03:44):
relay is I really disagree with the idea that we
keep loving this country. This country doesn't love us back.
You're talking about some of at least. And I understand
he's saying black people in general, but I would say that, like,
if we're being fair, basketball players in general are some
(04:06):
of the most beloved citizens of this country. It's just
our and U for their talent, for their image, likeness,
for the way the clothes they wear, or the way
they talk, the music they listen to, the way they
walk everything. So and I don't there isn't any question
(04:30):
that the that video and other videos are uh, they're
terrible to see on any human beings. And it does
we do seem to see them on black people, black
men especially more often than anybody else. Maybe it's because
those are the ones that are released. I don't. I
don't know, um, but that's Doc kind of laying his
(04:55):
soul out there. And his dad was a cop, and
he went on to say out he he's a he
doesn't believe in all cops are bad or that you
should defund the police, but there has to be change
has to be changed. Let's catch Isaac Low and club
for Christmas, you guys. Breaking news news from Fox Sports
Palm's Terrantia has just reported that the Los Angeles Lakers
(05:18):
and Portland Trailblazers are now boycotting Game five of their
playoff series. It had been scheduled to tip off at
nine thirty Eastern, and the NBA, just as I've been speaking,
issuing the following statement, Doug, the NBA and the NBA
Players Association today announced that, in light of the Milwaukee
Bucks decision to not take the floor today for Game five,
(05:39):
today's three games have been postponed. Game five of each
series will be rescheduled that according to the NBA in
a statement they released right now, Doug, I think that's
a mistake. I think that's a mistake. I'll tell you
why in a second. Chris Brussar joins us on the
Doug Gotlives Show on Fox Sports Radio. Um, what I mean, Like, look,
(06:01):
obviously these are big statements to refuse to go out
and play. I think it's a mistake because part of
what the Bucks were willing to do is they're willing
to lose the game for this, for their unhappiness to
be noted, to be known for for demanding of a change.
Does it take away from it at all that the
(06:21):
NBA is like, don't worry about it, We're just gonna
postpone the games, No, not all and and and the
report I saw from Stephanie Readio NBA TV, she said
that the Bucks now they were conflicting reports. I know
one report had I saw something that may have been false,
(06:42):
but that the Magic were refusing to accept the forfeit
um so, and then that they've made it jointly, like
the Bucks and the Magic made the decision jointly. So
I don't think, um, you know, the of Bucks would
have to lose the game. I think this is uh.
(07:03):
I think there's a huge statement, Doug. Obviously, and I
gotta be honest, obviously, I'm African American. I've never been
more proud of black last athletes in my life, never
been more proud. This shows that they are willing to
sacrifice their own individual money basketball goals for the betterment
(07:25):
of African American people. And I couldn't I couldn't spot
them anymore. Um for what they've done. I think it's tremendous.
What what change is reasonable to demand that could be
seen as a as a reason to go Okay, changes coming,
(07:46):
Let's get back out on the floor and play basketball.
The players probably in Milwaukee probably want the arrest of
the officer who shot Jacob Blake. I would imagine that
that's their most immediate goal. Um, obviously it takes a
little bit of time for things like police reform and
(08:08):
and long term goals. I personally think there should be
systemic change in education, uh and economic areas, as well
as the judicial system or the criminal justice system. But
obviously that that's a longer time. I do think the
players have immediate goals in mind, and like I said,
(08:28):
it's probably the arrest of the cop that shot Jacob
Blake and the firing of him as well. He's gonna
leave right now, So firing and arrest, well, you can't
have the problem with asking somebody to be fired. Is
it's just like the NBA with a guaranteed contracting unions.
There there is there's protection there. Obviously, I think the arrest,
(08:49):
it's all going to depend upon the pace of the investigation.
I don't think that's an unreasonable thing because with an
arrest then he can post bail or bond or whatever.
He's not being held in general population and and you
know then he'll have his his day in court. You know,
if it ever comes to trial, I would assume it
would the investigation continues. I don't think that's unreasonable, but
(09:10):
the firing of a police officer is hard to do
because of the unions. And that's where like even yesterday
when the powerful you know this like like look at
look at uh we we know a few instances. The
football players at the University of Missouri was the ten
I believe when they threatened the boycott a game and
(09:31):
wanted to president fired or he ended up resigning, obviously
under pressures, but like the regular student, he had been
calling for his resignation, firing weeks and months the players,
the football players, and we're not playing this weekend, and
he was going on within seventy two hours. Also, look
at meek Mill. Meek Mill, powerful black athletes and entertainment
(09:55):
have been trying to get him out of prison for months,
five months, I believe, robbing the craft, the owner for
the taste that gets involved, and within two weeks meek
Mill is out. The thing is these you know owners
are obviously very powerful men, and they have connected you
know how America works, and they have connections to powerful
(10:15):
people and they can get things done quickly. And I
think that's what the player of a county or you
kind of heard a friend Vanlee. No, listen, I I understand,
I understand that I would I would tell you that again. Like,
here's the here's where I think players are a little
bit stuck, right. I think if we got down to it, um,
(10:38):
you know, there's there's a bunch of different issues. One
of the big issues is that unions protect all of
their members. And this happens with every union. That's what
that's what they do, right. And I think even if
you ask police officers like look, and I don't know
about this particular cop and the number of complaints or whatever,
but one of the issues that police officers have is
that there are there are cops that they all want
(10:59):
to have gone because they bring that they bring down
the image of the entire police department. But the unions
protect them. And by the way, the unions are supported
by the same party that most of the players seem
to support. Right, So there's a little there's a little
(11:19):
bit of Yeah. I mean, look, I players shouldn't we
as I'm gonna Americans, which most of the players are.
I don't think we should be locked into one of
the two parties. So I hear you or that I
hear you and that, but and that's a good starting point. Though,
I do believe like these players are making demands of
you know, the n by not the NBA, but demands
(11:42):
of the owners or the lawmakers by boycotty. I agreed.
I think they African Americans should demand something of their vote.
Why are we if we're gonna vote for you, then
what are we getting out of it? So I'm I'm
with you in your in your think in there, and
hopefully the players recognize that because if they're gonna support
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that party, then they should get something out of it,
and it could be very much related to what they
want they want with this boycott. Uh doug outlives show
here on Fox Sports Radio. So what about the teams tomorrow? Right?
Like these teams all had their game, their boycotting all postponed,
(12:27):
Like if the grow I was not surprised at all
with what Look once the Bucks and Magic did it.
You knew the other two games another four teams from
you know what I mean? Like they had had no choice. Lebron,
we all know how much he wants this championship and
(12:50):
how all in he has always been on it. You know,
he wasn't thinking about boycotting during the shutdown, but he
had no choice, He had no can you have iagine
what he would look like and all the social work
he's done, it would all be for not if he
had decided, no, we're gonna play. And I think Doug
the same thing. So be the case tomorrow. I mean,
(13:13):
you know, like you you make a good point. What
are they asking? There has to be an ass. There
has to be an ass and so we'll when we
find out what exactly that ass is, then will know
more about the games going forward. But I would imagine
right now, Doug, they're not gonna play them row. But
(13:36):
here's the thing, as we're talking about the powerful men
that run the NBA, you don't think and Adam silver
Mark last read some of these other powerful owners could
make some things happen quickly. Well, like I said that
the one the arrested the officer, you know, and and
(13:59):
and you know, I know, I actually I actually don't.
I actually don't I think arresting. I look, I think
there's a I think there's a I think what can
happen is you can end up having the opposite of
the intended effect. Okay, this is really important for people
to realize, like, look, if you really this, this is
a this is a big thing for me. Everybody wants
(14:20):
justice and that is a reasonable desire in our country, right,
and what justice looks like And I think this is
what what you're saying, Chris, and so is guy gets arrested, guy,
you know, evidence is collected, goes to trial and if
it's a bad shoot, he goes to jail. If it's
a clean shoot, he doesn't. Right, that's what justice actually
(14:41):
looks like. You don't have to agree with the decision
whenever a jury or the the judge finds. But that's
that's justice. That's and and in the in the meantime,
like there's a process of getting to it. The issue
with forcing the hand of the state attorney general to
to arrest a guy before an investigation is complete and
(15:04):
interviews are conducted, is you run the risk of hurting
the investigation of of a possible mistrial, Like there's a
reason everything takes time. I got it, you got him
on film, shooting a guy. It doesn't appear to be
that hard. But I'm also not a lawyer, and I
don't know about about the proper protocols that have to
be in place, and I know that if NBA guys think, hey,
(15:26):
if we don't play a game, you have to arrest
a guy, and even though that's not the way it works,
it ends and could end up having the opposite of
the intended effect, and you don't get the justice that
people are rightfully demanded. Yeah. Look, I think that things
a lot of things going behind the scenes, and that
(15:47):
that you know, steps or skips in various situations. And
I think that these wealthy corporate titans in America, just
like I've brought up Meek Mill, while the a sudden
Robert Kraft, I mean in two weeks, Meek Mill was
out two weeks. They have been saying the same things
(16:08):
you're saying. It takes months, it takes time, and that
two weeks it was out Robert Kraft when trouble he
got into down in Florida disappeared. It can happen, and
I think that's what the players are looking for. Chris Bruce,
are you checked by the odd couple? That is seven
o'clock Eastern, four o'clock Pacific, Chris, great stuff, Thanks for
(16:29):
joining us. Be sure to catch the live edition of
the Doug Gottlieb show weekdays at three pm Easter noon
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio Whip.
He's an NBA champion and a two time n c
A champions. Corey Brewers kind of spend some time with
this year in the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Uh, Corey, I,
(16:51):
I do want to talk about Paul George's amazing night
and some of the things he talked about yesterday. But
let me get your reaction to what unquestionably is the
story of the day and for the for for the
for the next a short time in the NBA. Which
is it started with the Bucks? Of course, home is Milwaukee, Kenosha. Uh.
(17:11):
I believe it's a suburb actually of Green Bay or
a city closer to Green Bay. Um. But we all
saw the video the games were played last night. DC
Rivers had a heartfelt kind of um thoughts after the game,
and then the Bucks refused to go out and play
the game. The Magic refused to accept a forfeit, and
so the game was postponed, and now all the games
(17:32):
today are postponed. What's your reaction, I thank god is
just standing up and taking a stand. Um that we
want to change. Man, it's a lot of scelan killing
has been happening. Um, this is just another one in
the show of the NBA. We're together, so what is
(17:55):
a like, what's a reasonable uh the man? If you will,
like you're you're you're sitting here, like we're not playing
until this happens. To be honest, I have no idea.
It's just this is tough. Guys went to the bubble
to you know, we wanted to make a change, you know, which,
(18:16):
I had a peaceful protest, everybody was mailing, and then
it's still another killing. And so it's I couldn't even
tell you. It's tough to even grasp what's going on, Like,
after all this has happened with the George Floyd to
Brianna Taylor and we have another killer. Though, it's it's
(18:36):
tough for guys. I don't know. I don't I don't
know what what's happened. To be honest, Um, I know
that that that's the hard part, Right, It's like everyone's upset.
Anyone who saw the video is it's incredibly disturbing. Right,
You're like, what how how does that happen? And like
(18:57):
look if you if you said, hey, that guy needs
to be I mean he's already as on leave and
he said, well he needs to be arrested. What if
it's met with a Look, we have a process of investigation.
We have to go through and be thorough before we
arrest him. That's you know what the union agrees to.
These are all kind of prenegotiated. Like that's kind of
the hard part in this, which is, I don't know
(19:17):
anybody who's not disgusted by what they saw. It's just
the process of getting into you know, how long it
takes to do whatever. Whereas we're dealing with real time
and and NBA players trying to be the voice of
you know, of the of the people and they want
changed now, and change doesn't happen immediately. That's a really
hard part. Yeah, that's the hardest part of everything because
(19:41):
it's not going to be changed immediately because they're definitely
gonna be the process. There has to be an investigation
and it's gonna take times. So that's what the timetable.
Who knows Corey Brewer joining us here on the Doug
Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. What what is it
(20:01):
like to be part of this generation of athletes who
have become politically active, because you know, for so long
that wasn't really you know, it wasn't it wasn't necessarily
shut up and dribble until Laura Ingram said it. It
was more, you know, Michael Jordan's kind of philosophy, which
is every you know, the old Republicans by sneakers too, right,
You just like, look, that's not what we do. We
(20:22):
don't do politics. Lebron really has kind of ushered this
in what's it like to be part of this generation
of athletes? Um, that's that's a great You know, we
have young children. When you have when you have young
little I have three little boys, So I feel like
athletes for kids understand, really understand, especially Lebron he has kids.
(20:43):
You don't want your kids to grow up and not
feel safe. If a cop poins you over, you want
to you want us so safe. So we have our
voice and at least and everybody people listen to athletes.
So I feel like it's great that we're using our voice.
I do. I do too. You just have to, you know,
it has to be. It's smart to have a balance
(21:05):
and be willing to listen and talk things through and
I do think I thought I thought that what what
Doc said last night was so poignant because you know,
he's really obviously hurt by it, and he doesn't I
think that's probably part of it is even within the
game of the NBA, and this goes back to um
where Montrez Harold, you know what what he said to Luca, like, look, dude,
(21:29):
I'm boy do who played played professional basketball, played college basketball.
I never I don't think of that as racist. I
just think of that as, you know, testing a dude's
toughness and talking a little trash. And I think because
we so many of us and I don't know you're
you're may be different. You grew up in the South,
you went to college in the South, and you played
all over. I feel like in the sports bubble things
(21:51):
are said and done and everyone knows like no one's
really racist, and then when we see things outside like
oh my god, that really exists, that's real life, this
actually happened, it makes it feel more alarming because in sports,
most people get along with each other. No, I totally
agree with you. I grew up in the South and
I've seen a lot of racism. But when when you're
(22:12):
in sports there's a lot of stuff said, but it's
it's just a sports it's basketball. Guy may say something,
you may say something, but it's it's not it's not
really racist. But once you go outside of the court
and just you see stuff happening, it's hard. It's hard
to even believe that that somebody just shot in the bag,
or somebody somebody dies from a traffic stop. It's it's
(22:36):
it's it's crazy. Let's let's talk about basketball for a second. Um,
this is Paul George after his incredible performance last night.
Underestimated mental health. Honestly, I had anxiety, a little bit
of depression just being locked in here, you know, just
(22:57):
I just wasn't there. I checked out and it was
games two, three, four, I wasn't there. I felt like
I wasn't fair. See. I don't know about you, but
but I I buy that. I mean, Charles Barkley, you know, said,
you know there's hurricanes and all the sou I get
all that, but you know, being out of your normal routine,
(23:18):
out of your normal environment, all this other stuff going
on in the world, and you're watching you watching the
world through a TV set in a hotel room. I
totally understand guys not being their normal selves. What's your
reaction to Paul George saying like, hey, my mental health
wasn't right and I had to figure it out and
got it right last night. Yeah, for sure, I don't
(23:41):
feel like anybody mental health right. Look, just like you said,
I was in the bubble. When you're in the bubble,
like you can't really do anything was going on outsaw.
You know your family is not there. You're right about
your kids. Um, so I agree with him. Mental health,
he probably wasn't. It was a little depressed, but little
having a little in Zobi. So I'm glad you talked
(24:02):
to somebody and he got back to being Paul George,
do you think they're better than the Lakers? The Lakers
are built, They're built very differently. You know. The Clippers
have you know, two young stars. They have a lot
of depth, some swagger to them. They got more scoring.
Seems they have more scoring pop off the bench. The
Lakers are a defensive juggernaut and they got Lebron and
they got a d All things being equal, who do
(24:24):
you like more? Man? That's a tough one. Like you said,
it's hard to it's hard to go against A D
A D and Lebron, especially Lebron James. Lebron James went
to eighth straighte final. But um, I really like the
Clippers team when they're healthy, they get Patrick Belly back healthy,
I think they're gonna be. It's gonna be. It's gonna
be a good series they have to play. But I'm
(24:45):
not gonna go against Lebron James. Man the way Lebron
James is played in the playoffs and the last fifteen years,
you gotta say the Lakers. You know what's interesting is
I'm I'm fascinating what your response would be like cool?
Why is I mean? He his jump shot is such
a like a line drive, right but he just he
(25:06):
doesn't really seem to get rattled much. He gets to
his spots, he gets to that right hand, you know,
he I don't know, he almost feels like he's not
even sweating. He's just kind of a machine out there.
Then you have Lebron, who obviously doesn't have the burst
he used to, but so strong and obviously he can
make any pass. We've seen Luca, We've seen hardened, We've
(25:26):
seen all these offensive explosions. I mean, yesterday, Donovan Mitchell
and um, what's a man's name from Jamal Murry? Oh,
he was unbelievable last night. Let's let's start with Kauai.
What's what's he liked to guard? Tough man just like
you can't you can't get him ready, like you said,
(25:46):
he's gonna get to the spot. He never changes the demeanor.
And he's big, strong, and you know he wants to win.
He's been a winner and he gets to two m
vps in the finals. So he's one of the toughest
guards for sure. Uh. What what's your thoughts on Luca?
Do you do you think? And now he's not a blur,
(26:07):
but he knows how to use his body. He can
obviously shoot, he can pass. He struggles sometimes to guard.
But what are your thoughts on Luca in comparison to
some of the other great scoring you know, wings and
guards in the league. He's specially er um, you know,
especially when he's making this step back because he can't pass.
He's big, he's strong, he just knows how to play
(26:29):
the game. You know, some guys are just they're talented,
but their feel for the game is it's just amazing.
It's field for the game is amazing. Uh, Corey Brewer
joining us on the Dug Gotlip Show. All this stuff aside,
like this is like a historic day, you know where
NBA players like you know what we're not playing today?
Like that is this is a where were you kind
(26:50):
of moment? This is really, really, really interesting, Corey I.
I appreciate you joining us and giving us your thoughts.
Take care of those three boys of yours and we'll
talk soon. Appreciate it. Thanks him, President's Mind. Doug Gotlip
Show here on Fox Sport Trail. I'm gonna go to
go my i G because i got some negative feedback
on the I G. You guys let me know on
on some phone calls as well. Work a couple in
eight seven seven on Fox. Um, Hi, Doug, I usually
(27:14):
love your show. This is g crack for you. But
when it comes to a race discussion, you are unacceptably
apologetic for the police, and you pretend that the ingrained
racism this country doesn't exist. I understand where an NBA
player in the NBA, but you're playing the card of
I've been around black people my whole life. Doesn't excuse
the way you discuss the very serious topics. It's very
dismissive and it isn't moving our society forward. You have
(27:35):
a great opportunity to reach some people who haven't had
as much exposure to the wide range of people who
don't look like them growing up. So maybe instead of
spewing ah, well, you know a couple of cops under stress,
think about the guy walking home every day being harassed
by some bigotting uniform. Again, Like, I hate to be
the guy who points this out, I do. I believe
(27:57):
that black people, especially black man have felt like they've
been harassed for years by police officers. Sure enough of
my friends, and there's enough data to tell you that. Yes,
I do believe. I don't believe that's a made up feeling,
ok right, But I also think that there's a there's
a reasonable with reasonable in this to the discussion which
(28:21):
is lacking. See what you want me to say is
there's some ingrained racism and all of these like and
I don't believe it to be true. I don't believe
it to be true. One because many of the cops
who are in some of these videos are not actually white.
And I know that the there's a there's a saying
(28:42):
or a theory for the the black cop, who's you know,
trying to show up for the white cops. Like I,
I understand all of that. There's a there's a lot
to it, Okay, But I I don't believe that are
in our country is inherently racist at this particular time.
I don't, Um do I think racism exists obviously, um.
(29:06):
And I think we do a terrible job and many
levels of on sometimes promoting the worst of us. That's
what I really believe. Like the KKK has had rallies
for years around the country. They are despicable human beings
who I have no respect for none, but they've been
(29:29):
They've had rallies in different cities around the country for years.
But what we do in the media, this is my
own brethren, is we now promote it. And then there's
the the counter protest and you know, like it's it's
hard because it is news. People will watch, but if
you don't put it on TV goes away. Look, that's
(29:50):
what happened with our president, That's how he got elected.
All of these media people who many of them are
against the cur president of the United States, are many
are in many ways responsible for him winning the presidency.
Why because when he was on TV, the numbers went up,
So like, I put him on TV more, you're gonna
(30:11):
say something crazy. Meanwhile, it's free advertising, free advertising. I
also think that we the way in which we ingest
social media. We see a videot. Look. They were protests
in Charlotte, North Carolina where they burned things to the ground,
including the team store of the Charlotte Hornets. Not that
I were panthers, not that I care, but they did
(30:33):
burn it down. Okay, But what that was was there
was a Facebook video from a woman whose husband was
shot and it was terrible to watch the wife and
the daughter upstairs. And then there was another video that
came out a couple of days later, and you're like,
that was actually a good shoot. The guy had some
brain issues for a motorcycle accident. He wasn't responding to
(30:57):
their commands. They told him not to reach for the
gun or they would shoot. They told him not to
reach the gun. He reaches for the gun and they
shoot him, and I don't. And meanwhile, you know, like,
there's this, well, those police officers were racist, Like, no,
are there racist police officers? I would say, based upon
anybody's reasonable assumption, there are some vast majority, I would
(31:19):
say no, and what and what Doc Rivers said last
night's perfect, Like I'm not pro anti cop, I'm anti
bad cop. And there has to be adjustments made to
the unions and things like that. Yes, that's not being apologetic,
but I'm not gonna sit here and and claim that
(31:39):
racism is rampant through our country and everybody hates each other,
because that either what's what you want to hear. That's
like fear porn. That's not true. Most people get along
with one another. And if you can't, then figure out
if you can't get along with somebody of a different
color skin, you can figure out how to get the
heck out of here. That's that's not not the to us,
(32:00):
and you have to have enough protections in place. But
what I am for is for people to understand that
when you protest, you have to protest peacefully. And just
like you have to denounce racism, you've got to denounce
people that throw bricks at other human beings, that burned
(32:21):
things down, you know, businesses down, and that had nothing
to do with anything other than I was just wrong place,
wrong time. Like that's not that's not who we are.
That doesn't help the cause anyone's cause for progressing as
a society. And if you think otherwise, I can't really
help you. If you think because I have friends that
are black, that I played a sport that was dominated
(32:43):
by black athletes, that I'm I'm somehow going to claim
that there's a greater level of racism than I see existing. Like, no, yes,
I'm incredibly bothered by the video. But when I would
say we need justice, like what does justice look like?
Investigate if possible, and arrest, okay, and then you have
(33:04):
pre child hearings and whatever, and then you're gonna have
a trial. And here's one of the things you gotta know, Like, look,
did I think those cops should have got off with
Rodney King? Like, no, I watched the video I was
a kid in l A. Was gross, Like, kick the
hell out of that man, um, But you have to
offer up that in our country, you are actually innocent
(33:26):
until proven guilty, even when there's a video of you
shooting another man in the back seven times. That's the way,
that's the way it's written. And trust me when I
tell you you do not want to take that down.
That is an important part of the structure of our country.
So respectfully, if I am, if, if if I am,
(33:47):
If you don't like the way in which I speak
on top of this race, you're allowed to disagree. But
I just try and take a reasonable approach because I
believe that there's like a ninety five to Like. If
I say there's nine of people that aren't racist in
the country, you would lose your mind. But then you
(34:08):
realize there's three fifty million Americans, right, so if only
two percent or one percent are racists. And by the way,
white people aren't the only people that can be racist.
Black people can be racist as well. Like there's a
that's a big number, but it's a small number in
comparison the vast majority of us who just want our
kids to live in a better place, who just want
(34:30):
to celebrate NBA players that can do things that we
could only dream of doing. I don't know today, Like
this is what happens when racing, sports and and politics
and sports get together. That's the truth, all right, We
got a lot to get too, still got some stuff
to cover. Um, all NBA playoff games have been boycotted
(34:52):
by the players. What about Major League Baseball? Find out next?
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Easter noon Pacific. Isaac
would he got Doug, Adrian war Danowski, and basketball hipster
Zach Low report that every NBA player has been invited
(35:16):
to join a meeting at eight pm Eastern Time tonight
to discuss how they will proceed from here. And this
is actually just coming down right now. A veteran player
just told Chris mannox quote, the season is in jeopardy unquote,
what is the look? I We started the show talking
(35:37):
about Guy's mental health and the issues that Paul George
had were real. I think all of these, in addition
to being very upset at what happened in Kenosha, Like,
I think this is a massive, massive overreaction, massive, Like look,
(35:58):
you want to protest in boycott of game and try
and push for the officer to be arrested if that's
if that's how the guys vote to proceed. I don't
know if it's possible. I don't know where the investigation
is right, but I do know that canceling your season
because of the acts of an officer on a citizen
in Kenosha, Wisconsin, I I don't understand how that makes
(36:23):
things better. Here's another development. The Orlando Magic, including its ownership,
that being the DeVos family, has issued a statement supporting
the Bucks boycott. The statement issued by the Magic we
stand united with the NBA Office, the Players Association, and
the Bucks and the rest of the league condemning bigotry,
racial injustice, and the unwarranted use of violence by police
(36:47):
against people of color. While the Magic has left the arena,
the Milwaukee Bucks have been hunkered down in their locker
room for the last two hours. Or Lando guard Michael
Carter Williams said, we weren't give an advance notice about
the decision, but are happy to stand in solidarity with Milwaukee. Okay,
(37:08):
I mean, I don't know anybody. Is anybody gonna make
a statement for bigotry or unwarranted use of force? You know,
the Bucks thing is interesting. I want to know what
happens when they get on the phone with the state
Attorney general and the discussion there. Um. I mean, like, look,
I actually am for legal forms approaches. I actually think
(37:31):
if you could replay, what they should have done was
go out there for the game and then right before
the game start, then get up and walk out that
would have been a little bit more powerful. Otherwise, message
has been received, get out there and pressed that the
press never been here before. We just we just haven't.
So we'll see what unfolds. Um, you support anybody's right
(37:52):
to a reasonable, peaceful protest, but does that mean you
cancel the season? I think the answer is no. This
the Gotlip Show.
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