December 11, 2020 • 37 mins
Doug addresses people doubting Patriots coach Bill Belichick after losing to the Rams while pointing out he has an all time great coaching philosophy. Plus, former NFL Scout John Middlekauff joins the show to preview some of the best games for this week in the NFL.
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Kyrie Irving team up for the Nets, a team that
on paper I really like, but Kyrie keeps being Kyrie
now pointing the finger at the media and calling us pawns.
So about to get to John middle Colfel joined us
in twenty minutes, we'll get his take on the Rams.
I believe the Rams and the Packers are the two
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most likely teams to reach the Super Bowl from the NFC.
His middlecoff agree? Does he disagree? We discuss. We'll also
talk about this Hoz on Colin Cowherd Show Friday appearance
on The Cowherd Show and the Hurt Show that proceeds
this Fox Sports One Fox Sports Radio, and Colin said, Hey,
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systems don't work. Play Basically, players work. Systems don't, and
the downfall of the Patriots is their reliance on a system.
I'm paraphrasing now right. He pointed to the fact that
the Spurs are no longer competitive at the top of
the NBA and the Spurs being being a system oriented franchise.
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I don't think he has it a little bit wrong.
This is where Colin was right. Where Colin was wrong,
This is when Colin was wrong. And I love him,
He's a dear friend. I don't say everything that ends
up playing out and being accurate, but are you freaking
kidding me? With what we've seen from the Patriots this year?
Keep in mind the pay Churts not only lost eight
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players to opt out, including a couple of their best
defensive players, Patrick Jung, Dante Hi Tower, Stefan Gilmour, the
defensive player of the Year in the NFL. What has
been hurt most of the year. Julian Edelban has been
out most of the year. He's their best wide receiver,
most proven wide receiver, and Cam Newton struggles to actually
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throw a football. I'm not talking about indo tight windows
and reading coverage. I'm not discussing whether or not he
goes through his progressions and he's less accurate with each progression.
I'm telling you this guy struggles to throw a football,
and there's six and seven. A league where they're everybody's
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biggest game, a league where they've kicked everybody's ass for
eighteen nineteen years, where there aren't many coaches or or
or organizations that think kindly to the way in which
they've done business. They may respect it, but they don't
like it. And they're still six and seven on the season.
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That's pretty insane, isn't it. And here's the here's the cutoff.
I don't think the Patriots have a system because if
you go back and look when Tom Brady first got there,
it's very controlled, very conservative. Us. The running backs a ton.
Remember they brought Corey Dillon over. He was well traveled
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from the Bengals, and he became a star. They would
find a running back one that could catch him, run
out of the backfield and hide tom Brady until Tom
Brady end up becoming a star. The peak of Tom
Brady through fifty touchdown passes, he had Randy Moss. That
team threw the ball deep down the field. They also
then had Aaron Hernandez and Rob Gronkowski at the same time.
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They were the first to break out too tremendous pass
catching tight ends. You guys remember that. Then they went
to this, They went to almost like a spread game,
quick game, a lot of stuff underneath. Right, started with
Rocheque Calwell and Troy Brown, then metamorphos size and stuff
into West Welker. West Welker led the league in catches
three straight years with the Patriots, and then of course
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they went to Amendola and ultimately to Edelman. There is
no one system. In fact, the Spurs have gone through
a double double post system, but double post team when
they had David Robinson and and Tim Duncan. Then when
Tim Duncan was the best player in the league, they
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moved Tim Duncan to center and played around him. Then
they were kind of the first to use a lot
of ball ball movement, almost European style hoop when you
had Manu at his peak and Tony Parker at his peak.
There is no one style that the that the Spurs used,
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But the Spurs had a philosophy like Chip Kelly has
a system. Chip Kelly system is all encompassing. He talks
about sleep, he talks about diet, but on the football field,
it's about tempo. He believes that his players are better trained,
better conditioned, better fed than the opponent, and if they
play faster, ultimately that training ends up prove it playing out.
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It worked in college at Oregon with the help of
Willie Liles Recruiting recruiting pamphlet. It worked for two seasons
with the Philadelphia Eagles, and then obviously when they did
not have as good a personnel and people started to
figure out that system. It didn't work in Philly, it
didn't work in San Francisco, and it's yet to really
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hit with U c. L A. That's a system. The
philosophy of the Patriots has been to not pay top
dollar for free agents, to not pay top dollar for
your players, although pay them and pay them well, and
you know, build up, build up a depth of talent,
and then a year before you think they're gonna command
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too much money or they're over the hill, then you
jettison them and you move on it. By the way,
is a similar philosophy to what the Steelers have always
used with their defense. And by the way, it's not
that dissimilar to what the Spurs have done. All right,
the one time the Spurs stepped out of self and
signed a big free agent contract. It was LaMarcus Aldrich
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and they've never been the same since because they got
away from who they were draft well developed well, I
mean Monto genobil is the second, the last, second to
last pick of the NBA draft. He was a young
EuroLeague star. They let him develop some in Italy, then
they brought him over and he became arguably the best
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most impactful European player, not European foreign police from margint
a foreign player that we've ever had. Tony Parker was
drafted very young out of Paris, played professionally. They developed him.
Tim Duncan obviously number one overall pick, and they got
him because they were in the lottery and they lucked out.
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The Celtics had two picks and they developed around him.
But look, the Spurs have a philosophy. The Patriots have
a philosophy. Every game you try and win that game
you don't. You're not so tied to your philosophy. You're
not one of these coaches. Well we do, we do well,
we go, we go win like no. The Patriots. When
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the other team can't stop the run and they have
the right personnel, they run it. When the other team
loads up against running, they throw it. That's how they
like to play. Were they a three or four team
or four three team in championship years? You know what
the answer is? Yes? You know why because they would
do they would do whatever was the weak they they
would they would operate under whatever the weaknesses of the
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team we're facing. That's the style we're gonna play. Right.
Here's what Bill Belichick is this season, we've been doing
these promos for a Discovery Plus, which is a new
streaming service coming in two thousand twenty one. Does that
counts that count as one of the pilitany of breeds?
It should, because this is really good. Do you guys
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watch the show Chopped on Food Network. I love that show.
And the thing I love most about that show is
it's basically like if you don't go to the store tonight,
you don't pick up and you have like a steak
and then you got peanut butter, and you've got noodles, wantons,
you know, soy sauce, and they're like, go ahead, we
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need an appetizer, we need an entree, we need to dessert,
and you can only use what's in this basket. Now,
figure it out, right? I get that. The coolest thing
and these people are amazing. Now they'll add ingredients or whatever,
and look if you put like I have a fourteen
year old daughter who wants to be a chef, and
she's pretty much figured out that if you put garlic,
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salt um, and if you saute onions, I mean, it's
all pretty much magnificent, right Like you saw te onions
in the house. Just oh my god. But it's an
amazing show to watch because you have these really really
talented minds that have to figure it out and make
something edible at it when normally those aren't the ingredients
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that you include. That's what Bill Belichick is currently doing
this season. I mean, look, he here's he He's got
a quarterback who can't throw, has only played in one place,
didn't have an offseason, and can't throw. I can't throw
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a football. He's had three games of less than a
hundred yards passing. Let me repeat that. Cam Newton has
had three games of less than a hundred yards passing,
eight games of less than two hundred yards passing, and
there's six and seven. They're so well coached that Anthony
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Lynn essentially got fired. He hadn't been fired technically yet,
but Anthony Lynne got fired last week without knowing it
or without admitting it, losing forty five nothing at home
to that exact same Patriots team you saw get disemboweled
on national TV by the l A. Rams. And the
Rams are better than the Chargers. They're not that. But
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they're not six sixty seventy points better than the Chargers.
They're just not. It's because coaching does matter, and Bill
Belichick's philosophy has allowed him to be successful. Now, you're
still gonna need talent. No one's ever done it without talent,
with quarterbacks that can't throw wide, receivers that can't get
open backups on defense, that this is a bridge year
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to building something different when their salary cap changes dramatically
next season. But Belichick is not a system guy. He's
a philosophy guy. Papovish not a system guy. He's a
philosophy guy. Systems work until they don't. Philosophies well, the
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right ones plus forever. Up coming next, should we give
Baker Mayfield more credit for the nine and three Cleveland
Browns We'll discuss next. Be sure to catch the live
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soon on us only. Probably the best modern day Christmas
song right there, right, I mean, it's Mariah Carey. It's
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pretty amazing, pretty incredible. Do we not have Christmas in
Hollis on the rotation? It's just looked a long time
before christ wakeet here. We'll try to. I'm just I'm
just asking the question. If that's what you would like,
I will put it closer into the rotation, then later
into the rotation. How is it in the rotation? Yes
or no? Yes? Okay, then that's all. You don't need
to change the rotation, Okay. I mean, you know there's
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there's a couple that I would cut out whatever, um
I do think the uh you'll mean one, Mr Grinch
love that okay, Garret, I thought you were gonna cut
that one out. I love that song. I've told you
a Christmas song that King Cole Yes that we've played
for you yesterday Christmas and Hollis is amazing. That Mariah
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Carey song is amazing. Um, I'll mark which ones I
like and which ones I don't like. Appreciate that isn't
there a you two one that's that's really it's very popular.
I don't know. Um John Mitilcoffel join us will get
all his favorite Christmas jingles in a second. I do
think that it's important when we look at the successes
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of teams, we have a reasonable statement of how they've
gotten where they are now. The Browns, I believe they've
allowed more points than they've actually scored, which causes people
to go, Browns are a phony. They're not really that good.
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And you might be right. You might be right, or
you might say, you know what actually matters is in
each individual game. And look, this is forty four years
of living on this planet. What I have discovered. I've
discovered this? Are you ready for it? Can I get
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a little breaking news sounder there, John Ramos, Fox News
Breaking Fox Sports, breaking news sounder. We can't use it
as a joke only Okay, fine, this is out breaking news.
They give victories to teams that score at least one
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more point than their opponent. I've done a lot of
research on that one, and I am yet to find
a team that is awarded a win or more than
a win for winning by more than a point. You
win by four touchdowns, you get one win. You win
by one point, you get one win. You lose by
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ten touchdowns, you get one loss. You lose by one point,
you get one loss. So does it give us a
total indication of how good the Browns are in terms
of win loss records opposed to points four points against?
I guess. I guess maybe points out when things go bad,
it goes bad in a hurry. But I would only
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point out what Andrew Berry said. Andrew Berry is the
new and talented and so far successful general manager of
the Cleveland Browns. He was on the Huddle and Low
podcast and he said this about Baker Mayfield. I think
Baker deserves a lot of credit in terms of how
he's approached this year. I don't know that the challenge of,
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you know, going into a third offensive system, you know
no offseason, can be appreciated enough externally. That's that's no
easy task for any player, let alone a young quarterback.
I think everyone can see his growth really from quarter
to quarter to quarter over the course of the season,
and he certainly does. There's a lot of credit for
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the work that he's put in. I completely agree, completely agree, Um,
I think he deserves a lot of credit for just
take what the defense gives you. There's there's a coaching
philosophy that I think Bill Belichick uses that frankly Gregg
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Popovich uses when we talk about these guys that are
pragmatists and have philosophies. The general philosophy of good coaching
is take what the defense gives you. The general philosophy
good quarterback players take what the defense gives you. I know,
we get really irritated watching um, you know, from a thousand,
two thousand miles away. But the fact is that when
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Baker tries to win games on his own, he's not
that guy. He's not Rogers or far of who he
was compared to by his old general manager. It's not
Pat Mahomes. But when Baker Mayfield is just a good,
solid quarterback, when he runs the play based upon what
the defense is is giving you, he's been outstanding for
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the most part. He's been as he does he does.
That make him a great quarterback. No, but it makes
him good at what he's doing and and and winning
games and moving the chains. He does deserve credit. Third
offensive system in three years, and he's getting better because
of it. Be sure to catch the live edition of
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John Middlkoff, Uh, John, I want to talk football with you.
But what do you what do you think of the
Kyrie thing? I mean, do you think you take to
himself a little too seriously? I mean, is it? Is
it really that big a deal? I mean, holy Moley,
in the history of the league, from Magic to Michael
the Shack to Kobe to Lebron, It's like, bro, it's
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not that difficult. Hell, your teammate Kevin Durant, who has
battled with it, I can't even figure it out. I mean,
it's just again, it's not that serious. He's he's taking
himself away through serious Oh he always has. And I
think he's also one of these guys where he said
stupid stuff and then you know what happens when you
say something stupid, You're like, oh, what's the media's fault?
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They asked, leading like, no, dude, you just said stupid
things repeatedly, repeatedly, and and they haven't all been in public.
Many things have been in private and been aired publicly well.
Part of Kairie, part of Kairie's deal. And this is
something that obviously football coaches hate, and let's face a
basketball coach coaches hated too, But in the NBA you
don't have much say in the matter. He's cree aiding
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issues that Now, whenever Kevin talks or anyone else on
the team, they're gonna get at the coach. What's up
with him? He's just creating kind of something out of nothing.
You know that doesn't it's going to take away from winning.
And let's face it, they have some pressure on him,
given how much money they're paying them, how much pressure
just Kevin has is you know, one of the greatest
players ever Kyrie is just is he really worth the headache?
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I think we're truly about to find out, especially if
Kevin is good to me, If Kevin is like what
he was, There was a lot of pressure on Kyrie
because we've seen Kevin when he has good teammates, he dominates.
If Kevin's not, if Kevin's healthy and they stink. I
think he's gonna get a lot of the blame. He's
really gonna hate the media, then, of course he is.
But but like, look, Kyrie went on Kevin's podcast and
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said that or somebody's podcasts and said, I finally have
a guy who I can trust to make big shots
at the end of game, like direct shot across the
bow at Lebron and for no reason, like unprompted, like
Lebron hadn't spend any time caring abo Kyrie now like
he's he's remarried, He's onto the next He won a championship,
and Carrie just shows how Smalley is and and Kyrie,
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here's the here's the problem with Kyrie. Okay, and I
think most of the NBA they live in an alternate universe.
Right in no universe, in no way in the National
Football League, for example, right would the Paul George contract
happened where you have gotten a million years, where you
have a disappointing season, where you don't play well in
the playoffs, admit, admittedly the team underchieves, Admittedly the coach
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gets fired, and you get the biggest contract anyone has
ever seen or can give you in what so, I
don't actually blame the players because they live in an
alternate universe where James Harden thinks it's everybody else's fault
that they can't win. When he's the one who's not
good in the playoffs because he don't play an events
the other the other thing is a problem for the leadership.
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And I'm not the biggest Adam Silver guy just because
I think the media has prompted him up. Like part
of being a commission ners you kind of have to
be the bad guy. Sometimes he find him yesterday dollars. Well,
Kyrie is worth hundreds of millions of dollars, and on
top of that he makes thirty three just from basketball. Obviously,
what he makes from shoes a lot. That means nothing
to him. It'd be like if you had a hundred
dollar bill and I asked for half a penny, It
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has no impacts. Why why is Kyrie going to change?
And then what are the nets? The nets answer to him,
He doesn't really answer to them. The dynamics in the
NBA when I was growing up of born in the
mid eighties, growing up in the nineties, like there was
an edge to NBA players. They obviously made a lot
of money, but they had like a football mentality. You
had to fight for your spot new guys coming in.
It was a big point of pride to have a
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roster spot. These guys now the average salaries seven million,
and obviously, like you said, the top guys, but it's
not Steph and Lebron and be honest, like you say,
it's Paul George. It's like the guys from fifteen to thirty,
hell of forty or making some of these max contracts.
So it's the economics are all out of whack. And
I've seen it reading a bunch of stories about the
Warriors with just the economic structure of the NBA, and
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they're not gonna be a left fans and they're one
of the teams actually has money. Some of these things.
I don't know how the league. It's coming down a
slippery slope in terms of the economics, and I think
Kyrie is kind of a product of that. He's so
rich nothing that the league attempts to do to him
will matter. Yeah, I think that the first point. I
think Kevin Durant is the best player in the league.
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I think he was the best player in the league
before he got hurt. I'm interested to see what he
comes back, and I'm interested to see how everything is. Dude,
let's get to the NFL. Um Calherd went on today
and I disputed his claim. He's like the Belichick's got
a system and the system doesn't work without players. I
don't think a system. I think he is a philosophy
and frankly, I think he's coaching his ass off. Six
wins with that mess. That's that's amazing to me. What
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do you take of the downfall of the Patriots? Yeah,
I mean there were six and six going into the
last night's game with one of the worst rosters in
the league. I mean they played a Thursday night game
on the road. Now technically they had been on the road,
but that's it's never easy to not be the home
team for Thursday Night. Uh. Their quarterback is just terrible.
I said on my podcast today. When I was growing up,
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like once you got to your early thirties, like any
time probably over thirty two as a pro athlete any sport,
you would just be ready for a guy to fall
off a cliff. And by the time they got to
like thirty five, it was kind of over from the
overwhelming majority of really good players, and now I think
we've become accustomed to Brady and Lebron and just a
lot of these outliers and part of its health and yeo,
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it's different. But still these guys like Cam Newton is
really especially the way he played because he was a
runner first. I think his body's just shot because I
saw the last night on social media, like, how is
Josh McDaniels running these goal line plays? Like, well, he's
been a five Super Bowls in the last decade. I
think Josh knows how to call plays, what's he's supposed
to do. Clearly he has no confidence the camp can
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run a play. The only thing Cam's comfortable doing, and
rightfully so, is running either the option the quarterback sneak,
so it's like everyone's they knew what was coming. Well, yeah,
the only thing is quarterback could do. That's it, you know.
I honestly Doug last night, every time Camp threw it
and hit a guy in the hands, I was surprised.
He's the opposite of Steph Curry, Like every time Steph shoots,
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I'm surprised when he misses right, Like you're more surprised
when he misses than you are that when he makes it,
no matter what the shot is, like Cam Newton is,
so he's he's bad. I mean, does what does he
have a career after this year? The only team that
I could see two teams. Actually, the worst thing that
could happen to a backup quarterback that hasn't played in
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forever is him having to play. And we saw that
with r G three. So maybe they could bring in
Camp because I was thinking this for Camp to be
to me, Lamar is kind of a mentor and leader, right.
I think Cam earned a lot of Brownie points in
the league this year. He went to Belichick. It hasn't
gone well, but they really like him. So it just
clearly if you can function in that organization and people
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like you and you buy. And I actually think he's
kind of earned back some street cred of just not
that his character was ever bad, but I just think
it was unknown and now I think he's solidified. People
like him. He's a good guy. He'll buy into whatever
you tell him. So I think either the Baltimore or
even Seattle, you know Pete. You just look at his history.
Their black up quarterbacks are always nobody's He's gonna be
playing on a minimum deal anyway, So I can see
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Seattle and I could see Baltimore. It's gonna be a
winning team. Uh Again, I think a lot of it's
gonna be. They're gonna go well. Bill really liked him.
He played tough even though he doesn't have much. Maybe
he'll be a little healthier, and again he'll just be
a backup, not a starter. Bill. Uh. John Milcoff joining
US three and Out is the podcast he joins in
the Doug Gotlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. I kind
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of feel like, as this thing evolves, it's Rams and
Packers as the two most likely. I know it's a
matchup thing. I totally gets the matchup thing right, Like
where the the Rams can't beate San Francisco, but but
they have they have the right mix to be Seattle
for example, they always have, right. I feel like though,
that Packers, Rams, those are the two most likely teams
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to come out of the NFC. My pushback on the
Rams because you watch them. I mean, their defense is
really good, the running backs are good, their wide receivers
are good, their coach is good. I just don't trust
the quarterback. I know he's done it before. But anyone
on the road, like people do, forget that New Orleans game.
All anybody remembers is the blown p I call. But
what they forget is he got the ball back and
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then let him on a touchdown drive and then a
field goal drive in overtime. Like he did some good
things in that game. And that was back back when
hands were allowed and that place was loud. You could
hear yourself. Remember it started really poorly for him. But
I steel, I I just to me the Rams, the Packers.
You know, Russell has been in kind of in shambles.
But the thing in the playoffs, all you have to
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do is have a good game or two, right, and
you're just in the mix. And then the Saints, to me,
are just still kind of a work in progress. I
wouldn't trust Taysom Hill, but I believe in just what
their teams stand for. Their head coach is just big time.
I think it's kind of a four horse race that
and all these teams are flawed, right. I mean, on
any given day Green Bay, you can just run it
right down their throat. On any given day, Jared Goff
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can throw two or three picks Seattle for the most
part Russell's gonna play. Well, it's just all the can
they run the ball, you know, can their defense step up?
And then just Is Drew coming back. I saw some
some video from practice yesterday him doing all these stretches.
But are they getting rhythm with tastom? I I don't know.
I mean, they got some stuff to kind of figure out.
But who really cares. They've been winning. That's all that
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really matters. That's why I think it's gonna come out
between those four teams and you know who knows. I
guess Tampa. I guess we'll see this week and I'm
not expecting it, but they did have a week to
just kind of reset, you know Brady Arians talk. I mean,
is Arians truly just gonna be dead set on making
them throw bombs? Or can they kind of you know,
meet somewhere in the middle. I wouldn't bank on it,
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but I would imagine Tom's pushing for some some change, right,
I mean, he's probably used to open the bye week
is probably pretty serious in New England Land, you know,
where they reassessed stuff, what's working, what's not working. So
I'm fascinated to see the Tampa and how they look
this week. Um, are the Giants real? I would say
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they're real as a functional football team, which they haven't
been in years, given how good their defense is, how
prepared they look like. To me, part of judging a
team when you're you know you're gonna be an under
five hundred team, which the Giants are going to be,
is do you play hard every week? Because like the
Cowboys don't, so you know, and that's a reflection of
the coach. I actually think, you know, the Giants have
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a pretty good shot of winning this week. They got
a lot of momentum. Arizona's in shambles right now. Uh,
their best player is banged up. I mean he Kyler
hasn't been the same since he got fallen on I
think it was a Seattle was that Thursday night game
when they got going the shoulder and he's just and
clearly they're a little bit like a basketball team because
their coaches, you know, pretty questionable with Cliff it's just
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in terms of going up you know, relative to his competition.
They need that guy to be going on full speed
and then they can. You know, they're probably a ten
win team. But when he is whatever he's at right now,
they are Honestly, Dug, I think Minnesota is gonna win
that spot. I have more faith in Zimmer. They're just
offense has a true identity. It's not necessarily I mean
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Cousins obviously every offensive dependent on the quarterback. But they
can run the ball. Their wide receiver is so good.
I think Arizona is in a little trouble. Doug gotlip
show here on Fox Sports Radio. Uh. Mike McCarthy today
echoed the sentiments sentiments of Troy Aikman in terms of
the effort his team is given. This is not the
first time they haven't given uh elite level effort, and
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at some point that does fall on the coaching staff.
I guess I get that there's a lot of injuries.
I get that it's been a hard year. I don't
understand how you bring Mike McCarthy back. Jimmy Johnson is like, oh,
he's definitely the guy. I don't see it, do you
Am I missing something? Yeah? I mean I I think
it's pretty clear. I mean, it's December eleven, This isn't
October tenth, right, We're not three weeks into the season.
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We have a long track record of consistently you know, borderline,
gutless efforts, you know, And it's one thing for just
a guy on the outside to say it, but consistently
former players have said it's every fan can see it.
It's pretty obvious. Here's the thing with Mike. And I
actually heard Steve Young say this the other day driving
around the car, heard him on the radio. He said,
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you know, listen, you look back. It sure looks with
every game that passes that Aaron Rodgers was carrying that ship.
And McCarthy he's been really He went eight and eight
his second to last year, then he got fired after
that Arizona game when they were just in shambles. Then
he took the year off and now he's terrible. So
clearly he didn't improve in the year off. So basically
he's been an average to below average coach now for
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four years. If I'm Jerry Jones, I always understand if
you're a business, so you don't have much money, like
you know, finances are hard, it's hard to pay people
to go away or some costs. It's easy to say
unless you have a lot of money, and Jerry has
a lot of money, so I would I guess, I
don't know exactly Jerry's hasn't been in this position really
in my adult life. No one truly knows what he's
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gonna do. But I think if he was in a
normal organization, I don't know how McCarthy would survive because
they clearly have some talent and it's one thing to lose,
but they're like just having efforts where it doesn't even
look like they're they just give up every game, they
just kind of tap out. I felt like the Ravens
only through it because they got tired of running it.
That's really what. But like I watched the Fortys, they
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have a million injuries. They play hard every game, like
there's just all all you gotta do is most teams
I'm wanting the jahil. The Jags are one and eleven
and you turn on the game like they're often like
tied in the second half. The Cowboys are like, yeah,
it's we're down ten at half, so you guys later,
can we just shower and get out of here? Like that?
You Mike McCarthy. It's not like Mike McCarthy is the
first year coach. This was the guy, Harold is this
winning percentage that was good? Obviously in Green Bay, he'd
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won a Super Bowl, he had been to the playoffs
a million times. What does that have to do with
right now? Because it doesn't even remotely when you watch
them go, Yeah, that's that's a playoff level coach. I
don't know if that's never crossed my mind watching them
playoff season. Uh, you can put him in and Greg
Williams out in the same boat, like why these dudes
keep getting jobs? Not not really quite not really quite sure?
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Great stuff, dude. As always, the podcast is three now.
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but that's not the anyway. Bye. What you got, dougr
Game today is psychic. Alright, psychic with other college basketball
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coaches cancel they're non conference schemes like coach Ka and Duke. Yes, yes,
I think they will. Um. Look, we've gotten to the
point of ridiculousness, right, Like Isaiah Livers plays for Michigan
and he's complaining like we gotta play on Christmas and
the NBA players playing on Christmas and they get paid. Isaiah,
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You're not in the NBA. If you could have made
the NBA, you would have left Michigan last year to
play in the NBA. You're in college. College guys almost
always play around holiday season, almost always go home for
two or three days. And if you don't want to play,
you don't have to. You can opt out, you get
the year back. So I just the complaining is I.
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On one hand, you have most college basket players and
coaches and always like man, school just gets in the way,
like okay, well, let's move school online and you can
practice kind of whenever you want to play whenever you want. No. No,
I don't like that either. That's the problem. We are
a society of complete Winders, where nothing is ever good enough,
perfect transition not maybe not psychic. Will we see Kyrie
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Irving talk to reporters within the next week. Nope, nope, nope.
This is the thing for him. You know, it took
him a year to kind of come off the flat
Earth thing. He's trying to make a point, and the
crazy thing is the opposite of the intended fact. If
his intention is to eliminate some of the noise and
the buzz and just appreciate the art, you do realize
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that all the other players in the team have to
answer questions that he could normally answer, and it becomes
an annoyance in the nuisance and more noise than created.
No one actually pays attention to the nets. That's the
crazy part. Did you see the Basketball Reference, you know
where they have nicknames of the players, and this year
they approved world be Flat for Uncle Drew Ankletaker and
(34:51):
world be Flat for Kyrie. World be Flat is amazing, alright, psychic.
Will Christian McCaffrey play again this season for the Carolina
Panthers doubtful to play Week fourteen against the Broncos. Yes,
I think he will play one. I mean, he's making
a lot of money and one of the reasons that
he commanded that sary was he played sixteen games the
first three years, each of the first three years he
was in in the NFL, So I yes, he'll play alright, psychic.
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Will Aaron Rodgers, who just hit the four hundred career
touchdown barrier last weekend against Philadelphia get to five hundred
touchdown passes in his career? Yes, yes, because you know
he'll get ten more at least this year. Right, that
I'll get into four. Okay, then you're eight, you're nine
(35:38):
a right and you need Lorita four years. Yeah, that's
a good question. Yeah, I think you will do Do
they count playoff touchdowns in the overall? Told they don't.
They don't, So that's going to be the tricky part.
I I think that you know, if you if you
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get you get thirty five next year, Uh, then it
can be done. Did you did you see the NFL
films on on it when he's miked up or um
miked up when Aaron told him he doesn't have any
of the balls that number one who was through it
in the stands two hundred like the other guy's kept
(36:19):
him like I don't even have you can keep that one.
I don't even have any of that one. Like now
you want to have it, Psychic, Will Tastom Hill take
another step forward or backwards this Sunday against the Eagles? Oh, forwards,
it's the Eagles, absolutely forwards, alright, Psychic. Who throws from
more passing yards on Sunday in the game between the
Vikings and Buccaneers, Kirk Cousins or Tom Brady? Great question,
(36:41):
but justin Jefferson's pretty damn good. Huh Um, I'm gonna
go town Brady. I do think that the Buccaneers played
really well. Alright, Psychic. Finally, will you watch any preseason
NBA action tonight? Yes, I will watch. I'll flip around
and it'll be on and I'll get caught watching it.
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All right. This is game time on the Dug Gottlieb Show.
Doug gotlip show here on Fox Sports. Rady, Yeah, weird
sports watching weekend where you've got a bunch of kind
of random ton of pack twelve really on on Saturday,
and then you have your games on Sunday. In the
National Football League, you have a smattering of college basketball,
(37:26):
smattering of preseason games, but the expectations are most of
these guys won't play. The crazy thing about some of
the stars not playing is some teams that weren't in
the bubble or weren't deep into the bubble. I'm blamed forever.
So you need that. You need that run before you
get to the real run of the NBA. On the
what's it like to play for Bill Belichick, I'll ask
a two time Super Bowl champion who played for him
(37:48):
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Kyrie Irving team up for the Nets, a team that
on paper I really like, but Kyrie keeps being Kyrie
now pointing the finger at the media and calling us pawns.
So about to get to John middle Colfel joined us
in twenty minutes, we'll get his take on the Rams.
I believe the Rams and the Packers are the two
(01:55):
most likely teams to reach the Super Bowl from the NFC.
His middlecoff agree? Does he disagree? We discuss. We'll also
talk about this Hoz on Colin Cowherd Show Friday appearance
on The Cowherd Show and the Hurt Show that proceeds
this Fox Sports One Fox Sports Radio, and Colin said, Hey,
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systems don't work. Play Basically, players work. Systems don't, and
the downfall of the Patriots is their reliance on a system.
I'm paraphrasing now right. He pointed to the fact that
the Spurs are no longer competitive at the top of
the NBA and the Spurs being being a system oriented franchise.
(02:40):
I don't think he has it a little bit wrong.
This is where Colin was right. Where Colin was wrong,
This is when Colin was wrong. And I love him,
He's a dear friend. I don't say everything that ends
up playing out and being accurate, but are you freaking
kidding me? With what we've seen from the Patriots this year?
Keep in mind the pay Churts not only lost eight
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players to opt out, including a couple of their best
defensive players, Patrick Jung, Dante Hi Tower, Stefan Gilmour, the
defensive player of the Year in the NFL. What has
been hurt most of the year. Julian Edelban has been
out most of the year. He's their best wide receiver,
most proven wide receiver, and Cam Newton struggles to actually
(03:23):
throw a football. I'm not talking about indo tight windows
and reading coverage. I'm not discussing whether or not he
goes through his progressions and he's less accurate with each progression.
I'm telling you this guy struggles to throw a football,
and there's six and seven. A league where they're everybody's
(03:47):
biggest game, a league where they've kicked everybody's ass for
eighteen nineteen years, where there aren't many coaches or or
or organizations that think kindly to the way in which
they've done business. They may respect it, but they don't
like it. And they're still six and seven on the season.
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That's pretty insane, isn't it. And here's the here's the cutoff.
I don't think the Patriots have a system because if
you go back and look when Tom Brady first got there,
it's very controlled, very conservative. Us. The running backs a ton.
Remember they brought Corey Dillon over. He was well traveled
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from the Bengals, and he became a star. They would
find a running back one that could catch him, run
out of the backfield and hide tom Brady until Tom
Brady end up becoming a star. The peak of Tom
Brady through fifty touchdown passes, he had Randy Moss. That
team threw the ball deep down the field. They also
then had Aaron Hernandez and Rob Gronkowski at the same time.
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They were the first to break out too tremendous pass
catching tight ends. You guys remember that. Then they went
to this, They went to almost like a spread game,
quick game, a lot of stuff underneath. Right, started with
Rocheque Calwell and Troy Brown, then metamorphos size and stuff
into West Welker. West Welker led the league in catches
three straight years with the Patriots, and then of course
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they went to Amendola and ultimately to Edelman. There is
no one system. In fact, the Spurs have gone through
a double double post system, but double post team when
they had David Robinson and and Tim Duncan. Then when
Tim Duncan was the best player in the league, they
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moved Tim Duncan to center and played around him. Then
they were kind of the first to use a lot
of ball ball movement, almost European style hoop when you
had Manu at his peak and Tony Parker at his peak.
There is no one style that the that the Spurs used,
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But the Spurs had a philosophy like Chip Kelly has
a system. Chip Kelly system is all encompassing. He talks
about sleep, he talks about diet, but on the football field,
it's about tempo. He believes that his players are better trained,
better conditioned, better fed than the opponent, and if they
play faster, ultimately that training ends up prove it playing out.
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It worked in college at Oregon with the help of
Willie Liles Recruiting recruiting pamphlet. It worked for two seasons
with the Philadelphia Eagles, and then obviously when they did
not have as good a personnel and people started to
figure out that system. It didn't work in Philly, it
didn't work in San Francisco, and it's yet to really
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hit with U c. L A. That's a system. The
philosophy of the Patriots has been to not pay top
dollar for free agents, to not pay top dollar for
your players, although pay them and pay them well, and
you know, build up, build up a depth of talent,
and then a year before you think they're gonna command
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too much money or they're over the hill, then you
jettison them and you move on it. By the way,
is a similar philosophy to what the Steelers have always
used with their defense. And by the way, it's not
that dissimilar to what the Spurs have done. All right,
the one time the Spurs stepped out of self and
signed a big free agent contract. It was LaMarcus Aldrich
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and they've never been the same since because they got
away from who they were draft well developed well, I
mean Monto genobil is the second, the last, second to
last pick of the NBA draft. He was a young
EuroLeague star. They let him develop some in Italy, then
they brought him over and he became arguably the best
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most impactful European player, not European foreign police from margint
a foreign player that we've ever had. Tony Parker was
drafted very young out of Paris, played professionally. They developed him.
Tim Duncan obviously number one overall pick, and they got
him because they were in the lottery and they lucked out.
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The Celtics had two picks and they developed around him.
But look, the Spurs have a philosophy. The Patriots have
a philosophy. Every game you try and win that game
you don't. You're not so tied to your philosophy. You're
not one of these coaches. Well we do, we do well,
we go, we go win like no. The Patriots. When
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the other team can't stop the run and they have
the right personnel, they run it. When the other team
loads up against running, they throw it. That's how they
like to play. Were they a three or four team
or four three team in championship years? You know what
the answer is? Yes? You know why because they would
do they would do whatever was the weak they they
would they would operate under whatever the weaknesses of the
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team we're facing. That's the style we're gonna play. Right.
Here's what Bill Belichick is this season, we've been doing
these promos for a Discovery Plus, which is a new
streaming service coming in two thousand twenty one. Does that
counts that count as one of the pilitany of breeds?
It should, because this is really good. Do you guys
(09:16):
watch the show Chopped on Food Network. I love that show.
And the thing I love most about that show is
it's basically like if you don't go to the store tonight,
you don't pick up and you have like a steak
and then you got peanut butter, and you've got noodles, wantons,
you know, soy sauce, and they're like, go ahead, we
(09:40):
need an appetizer, we need an entree, we need to dessert,
and you can only use what's in this basket. Now,
figure it out, right? I get that. The coolest thing
and these people are amazing. Now they'll add ingredients or whatever,
and look if you put like I have a fourteen
year old daughter who wants to be a chef, and
she's pretty much figured out that if you put garlic,
(10:03):
salt um, and if you saute onions, I mean, it's
all pretty much magnificent, right Like you saw te onions
in the house. Just oh my god. But it's an
amazing show to watch because you have these really really
talented minds that have to figure it out and make
something edible at it when normally those aren't the ingredients
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that you include. That's what Bill Belichick is currently doing
this season. I mean, look, he here's he He's got
a quarterback who can't throw, has only played in one place,
didn't have an offseason, and can't throw. I can't throw
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a football. He's had three games of less than a
hundred yards passing. Let me repeat that. Cam Newton has
had three games of less than a hundred yards passing,
eight games of less than two hundred yards passing, and
there's six and seven. They're so well coached that Anthony
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Lynn essentially got fired. He hadn't been fired technically yet,
but Anthony Lynne got fired last week without knowing it
or without admitting it, losing forty five nothing at home
to that exact same Patriots team you saw get disemboweled
on national TV by the l A. Rams. And the
Rams are better than the Chargers. They're not that. But
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they're not six sixty seventy points better than the Chargers.
They're just not. It's because coaching does matter, and Bill
Belichick's philosophy has allowed him to be successful. Now, you're
still gonna need talent. No one's ever done it without talent,
with quarterbacks that can't throw wide, receivers that can't get
open backups on defense, that this is a bridge year
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to building something different when their salary cap changes dramatically
next season. But Belichick is not a system guy. He's
a philosophy guy. Papovish not a system guy. He's a
philosophy guy. Systems work until they don't. Philosophies well, the
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right ones plus forever. Up coming next, should we give
Baker Mayfield more credit for the nine and three Cleveland
Browns We'll discuss next. Be sure to catch the live
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soon on us only. Probably the best modern day Christmas
song right there, right, I mean, it's Mariah Carey. It's
(12:57):
pretty amazing, pretty incredible. Do we not have Christmas in
Hollis on the rotation? It's just looked a long time
before christ wakeet here. We'll try to. I'm just I'm
just asking the question. If that's what you would like,
I will put it closer into the rotation, then later
into the rotation. How is it in the rotation? Yes
or no? Yes? Okay, then that's all. You don't need
to change the rotation, Okay. I mean, you know there's
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there's a couple that I would cut out whatever, um
I do think the uh you'll mean one, Mr Grinch
love that okay, Garret, I thought you were gonna cut
that one out. I love that song. I've told you
a Christmas song that King Cole Yes that we've played
for you yesterday Christmas and Hollis is amazing. That Mariah
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Carey song is amazing. Um, I'll mark which ones I
like and which ones I don't like. Appreciate that isn't
there a you two one that's that's really it's very popular.
I don't know. Um John Mitilcoffel join us will get
all his favorite Christmas jingles in a second. I do
think that it's important when we look at the successes
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of teams, we have a reasonable statement of how they've
gotten where they are now. The Browns, I believe they've
allowed more points than they've actually scored, which causes people
to go, Browns are a phony. They're not really that good.
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And you might be right. You might be right, or
you might say, you know what actually matters is in
each individual game. And look, this is forty four years
of living on this planet. What I have discovered. I've
discovered this? Are you ready for it? Can I get
(14:45):
a little breaking news sounder there, John Ramos, Fox News
Breaking Fox Sports, breaking news sounder. We can't use it
as a joke only Okay, fine, this is out breaking news.
They give victories to teams that score at least one
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more point than their opponent. I've done a lot of
research on that one, and I am yet to find
a team that is awarded a win or more than
a win for winning by more than a point. You
win by four touchdowns, you get one win. You win
by one point, you get one win. You lose by
(15:26):
ten touchdowns, you get one loss. You lose by one point,
you get one loss. So does it give us a
total indication of how good the Browns are in terms
of win loss records opposed to points four points against?
I guess. I guess maybe points out when things go bad,
it goes bad in a hurry. But I would only
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point out what Andrew Berry said. Andrew Berry is the
new and talented and so far successful general manager of
the Cleveland Browns. He was on the Huddle and Low
podcast and he said this about Baker Mayfield. I think
Baker deserves a lot of credit in terms of how
he's approached this year. I don't know that the challenge of,
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you know, going into a third offensive system, you know
no offseason, can be appreciated enough externally. That's that's no
easy task for any player, let alone a young quarterback.
I think everyone can see his growth really from quarter
to quarter to quarter over the course of the season,
and he certainly does. There's a lot of credit for
(16:30):
the work that he's put in. I completely agree, completely agree, Um,
I think he deserves a lot of credit for just
take what the defense gives you. There's there's a coaching
philosophy that I think Bill Belichick uses that frankly Gregg
(16:51):
Popovich uses when we talk about these guys that are
pragmatists and have philosophies. The general philosophy of good coaching
is take what the defense gives you. The general philosophy
good quarterback players take what the defense gives you. I know,
we get really irritated watching um, you know, from a thousand,
two thousand miles away. But the fact is that when
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Baker tries to win games on his own, he's not
that guy. He's not Rogers or far of who he
was compared to by his old general manager. It's not
Pat Mahomes. But when Baker Mayfield is just a good,
solid quarterback, when he runs the play based upon what
the defense is is giving you, he's been outstanding for
(17:35):
the most part. He's been as he does he does.
That make him a great quarterback. No, but it makes
him good at what he's doing and and and winning
games and moving the chains. He does deserve credit. Third
offensive system in three years, and he's getting better because
of it. Be sure to catch the live edition of
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John Middlkoff, Uh, John, I want to talk football with you.
But what do you what do you think of the
Kyrie thing? I mean, do you think you take to
himself a little too seriously? I mean, is it? Is
it really that big a deal? I mean, holy Moley,
in the history of the league, from Magic to Michael
the Shack to Kobe to Lebron, It's like, bro, it's
(18:18):
not that difficult. Hell, your teammate Kevin Durant, who has
battled with it, I can't even figure it out. I mean,
it's just again, it's not that serious. He's he's taking
himself away through serious Oh he always has. And I
think he's also one of these guys where he said
stupid stuff and then you know what happens when you
say something stupid, You're like, oh, what's the media's fault?
(18:38):
They asked, leading like, no, dude, you just said stupid
things repeatedly, repeatedly, and and they haven't all been in public.
Many things have been in private and been aired publicly well.
Part of Kairie, part of Kairie's deal. And this is
something that obviously football coaches hate, and let's face a
basketball coach coaches hated too, But in the NBA you
don't have much say in the matter. He's cree aiding
(19:00):
issues that Now, whenever Kevin talks or anyone else on
the team, they're gonna get at the coach. What's up
with him? He's just creating kind of something out of nothing.
You know that doesn't it's going to take away from winning.
And let's face it, they have some pressure on him,
given how much money they're paying them, how much pressure
just Kevin has is you know, one of the greatest
players ever Kyrie is just is he really worth the headache?
(19:23):
I think we're truly about to find out, especially if
Kevin is good to me, If Kevin is like what
he was, There was a lot of pressure on Kyrie
because we've seen Kevin when he has good teammates, he dominates.
If Kevin's not, if Kevin's healthy and they stink. I
think he's gonna get a lot of the blame. He's
really gonna hate the media, then, of course he is.
But but like, look, Kyrie went on Kevin's podcast and
(19:46):
said that or somebody's podcasts and said, I finally have
a guy who I can trust to make big shots
at the end of game, like direct shot across the
bow at Lebron and for no reason, like unprompted, like
Lebron hadn't spend any time caring abo Kyrie now like
he's he's remarried, He's onto the next He won a championship,
and Carrie just shows how Smalley is and and Kyrie,
(20:08):
here's the here's the problem with Kyrie. Okay, and I
think most of the NBA they live in an alternate universe.
Right in no universe, in no way in the National
Football League, for example, right would the Paul George contract
happened where you have gotten a million years, where you
have a disappointing season, where you don't play well in
the playoffs, admit, admittedly the team underchieves, Admittedly the coach
(20:33):
gets fired, and you get the biggest contract anyone has
ever seen or can give you in what so, I
don't actually blame the players because they live in an
alternate universe where James Harden thinks it's everybody else's fault
that they can't win. When he's the one who's not
good in the playoffs because he don't play an events
the other the other thing is a problem for the leadership.
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And I'm not the biggest Adam Silver guy just because
I think the media has prompted him up. Like part
of being a commission ners you kind of have to
be the bad guy. Sometimes he find him yesterday dollars. Well,
Kyrie is worth hundreds of millions of dollars, and on
top of that he makes thirty three just from basketball. Obviously,
what he makes from shoes a lot. That means nothing
to him. It'd be like if you had a hundred
dollar bill and I asked for half a penny, It
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has no impacts. Why why is Kyrie going to change?
And then what are the nets? The nets answer to him,
He doesn't really answer to them. The dynamics in the
NBA when I was growing up of born in the
mid eighties, growing up in the nineties, like there was
an edge to NBA players. They obviously made a lot
of money, but they had like a football mentality. You
had to fight for your spot new guys coming in.
It was a big point of pride to have a
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roster spot. These guys now the average salaries seven million,
and obviously, like you said, the top guys, but it's
not Steph and Lebron and be honest, like you say,
it's Paul George. It's like the guys from fifteen to thirty,
hell of forty or making some of these max contracts.
So it's the economics are all out of whack. And
I've seen it reading a bunch of stories about the
Warriors with just the economic structure of the NBA, and
(22:03):
they're not gonna be a left fans and they're one
of the teams actually has money. Some of these things.
I don't know how the league. It's coming down a
slippery slope in terms of the economics, and I think
Kyrie is kind of a product of that. He's so
rich nothing that the league attempts to do to him
will matter. Yeah, I think that the first point. I
think Kevin Durant is the best player in the league.
(22:23):
I think he was the best player in the league
before he got hurt. I'm interested to see what he
comes back, and I'm interested to see how everything is. Dude,
let's get to the NFL. Um Calherd went on today
and I disputed his claim. He's like the Belichick's got
a system and the system doesn't work without players. I
don't think a system. I think he is a philosophy
and frankly, I think he's coaching his ass off. Six
wins with that mess. That's that's amazing to me. What
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do you take of the downfall of the Patriots? Yeah,
I mean there were six and six going into the
last night's game with one of the worst rosters in
the league. I mean they played a Thursday night game
on the road. Now technically they had been on the road,
but that's it's never easy to not be the home
team for Thursday Night. Uh. Their quarterback is just terrible.
I said on my podcast today. When I was growing up,
(23:08):
like once you got to your early thirties, like any
time probably over thirty two as a pro athlete any sport,
you would just be ready for a guy to fall
off a cliff. And by the time they got to
like thirty five, it was kind of over from the
overwhelming majority of really good players, and now I think
we've become accustomed to Brady and Lebron and just a
lot of these outliers and part of its health and yeo,
(23:30):
it's different. But still these guys like Cam Newton is
really especially the way he played because he was a
runner first. I think his body's just shot because I
saw the last night on social media, like, how is
Josh McDaniels running these goal line plays? Like, well, he's
been a five Super Bowls in the last decade. I
think Josh knows how to call plays, what's he's supposed
to do. Clearly he has no confidence the camp can
(23:52):
run a play. The only thing Cam's comfortable doing, and
rightfully so, is running either the option the quarterback sneak,
so it's like everyone's they knew what was coming. Well, yeah,
the only thing is quarterback could do. That's it, you know.
I honestly Doug last night, every time Camp threw it
and hit a guy in the hands, I was surprised.
He's the opposite of Steph Curry, Like every time Steph shoots,
(24:16):
I'm surprised when he misses right, Like you're more surprised
when he misses than you are that when he makes it,
no matter what the shot is, like Cam Newton is,
so he's he's bad. I mean, does what does he
have a career after this year? The only team that
I could see two teams. Actually, the worst thing that
could happen to a backup quarterback that hasn't played in
(24:38):
forever is him having to play. And we saw that
with r G three. So maybe they could bring in
Camp because I was thinking this for Camp to be
to me, Lamar is kind of a mentor and leader, right.
I think Cam earned a lot of Brownie points in
the league this year. He went to Belichick. It hasn't
gone well, but they really like him. So it just
clearly if you can function in that organization and people
(24:58):
like you and you buy. And I actually think he's
kind of earned back some street cred of just not
that his character was ever bad, but I just think
it was unknown and now I think he's solidified. People
like him. He's a good guy. He'll buy into whatever
you tell him. So I think either the Baltimore or
even Seattle, you know Pete. You just look at his history.
Their black up quarterbacks are always nobody's He's gonna be
playing on a minimum deal anyway, So I can see
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Seattle and I could see Baltimore. It's gonna be a
winning team. Uh Again, I think a lot of it's
gonna be. They're gonna go well. Bill really liked him.
He played tough even though he doesn't have much. Maybe
he'll be a little healthier, and again he'll just be
a backup, not a starter. Bill. Uh. John Milcoff joining
US three and Out is the podcast he joins in
the Doug Gotlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. I kind
(25:45):
of feel like, as this thing evolves, it's Rams and
Packers as the two most likely. I know it's a
matchup thing. I totally gets the matchup thing right, Like
where the the Rams can't beate San Francisco, but but
they have they have the right mix to be Seattle
for example, they always have, right. I feel like though,
that Packers, Rams, those are the two most likely teams
(26:06):
to come out of the NFC. My pushback on the
Rams because you watch them. I mean, their defense is
really good, the running backs are good, their wide receivers
are good, their coach is good. I just don't trust
the quarterback. I know he's done it before. But anyone
on the road, like people do, forget that New Orleans game.
All anybody remembers is the blown p I call. But
what they forget is he got the ball back and
(26:28):
then let him on a touchdown drive and then a
field goal drive in overtime. Like he did some good
things in that game. And that was back back when
hands were allowed and that place was loud. You could
hear yourself. Remember it started really poorly for him. But
I steel, I I just to me the Rams, the Packers.
You know, Russell has been in kind of in shambles.
But the thing in the playoffs, all you have to
(26:50):
do is have a good game or two, right, and
you're just in the mix. And then the Saints, to me,
are just still kind of a work in progress. I
wouldn't trust Taysom Hill, but I believe in just what
their teams stand for. Their head coach is just big time.
I think it's kind of a four horse race that
and all these teams are flawed, right. I mean, on
any given day Green Bay, you can just run it
right down their throat. On any given day, Jared Goff
(27:11):
can throw two or three picks Seattle for the most
part Russell's gonna play. Well, it's just all the can
they run the ball, you know, can their defense step up?
And then just Is Drew coming back. I saw some
some video from practice yesterday him doing all these stretches.
But are they getting rhythm with tastom? I I don't know.
I mean, they got some stuff to kind of figure out.
But who really cares. They've been winning. That's all that
(27:32):
really matters. That's why I think it's gonna come out
between those four teams and you know who knows. I
guess Tampa. I guess we'll see this week and I'm
not expecting it, but they did have a week to
just kind of reset, you know Brady Arians talk. I mean,
is Arians truly just gonna be dead set on making
them throw bombs? Or can they kind of you know,
meet somewhere in the middle. I wouldn't bank on it,
(27:52):
but I would imagine Tom's pushing for some some change, right,
I mean, he's probably used to open the bye week
is probably pretty serious in New England Land, you know,
where they reassessed stuff, what's working, what's not working. So
I'm fascinated to see the Tampa and how they look
this week. Um, are the Giants real? I would say
(28:14):
they're real as a functional football team, which they haven't
been in years, given how good their defense is, how
prepared they look like. To me, part of judging a
team when you're you know you're gonna be an under
five hundred team, which the Giants are going to be,
is do you play hard every week? Because like the
Cowboys don't, so you know, and that's a reflection of
the coach. I actually think, you know, the Giants have
(28:34):
a pretty good shot of winning this week. They got
a lot of momentum. Arizona's in shambles right now. Uh,
their best player is banged up. I mean he Kyler
hasn't been the same since he got fallen on I
think it was a Seattle was that Thursday night game
when they got going the shoulder and he's just and
clearly they're a little bit like a basketball team because
their coaches, you know, pretty questionable with Cliff it's just
(28:56):
in terms of going up you know, relative to his competition.
They need that guy to be going on full speed
and then they can. You know, they're probably a ten
win team. But when he is whatever he's at right now,
they are Honestly, Dug, I think Minnesota is gonna win
that spot. I have more faith in Zimmer. They're just
offense has a true identity. It's not necessarily I mean
(29:17):
Cousins obviously every offensive dependent on the quarterback. But they
can run the ball. Their wide receiver is so good.
I think Arizona is in a little trouble. Doug gotlip
show here on Fox Sports Radio. Uh. Mike McCarthy today
echoed the sentiments sentiments of Troy Aikman in terms of
the effort his team is given. This is not the
first time they haven't given uh elite level effort, and
(29:40):
at some point that does fall on the coaching staff.
I guess I get that there's a lot of injuries.
I get that it's been a hard year. I don't
understand how you bring Mike McCarthy back. Jimmy Johnson is like, oh,
he's definitely the guy. I don't see it, do you
Am I missing something? Yeah? I mean I I think
it's pretty clear. I mean, it's December eleven, This isn't
October tenth, right, We're not three weeks into the season.
(30:03):
We have a long track record of consistently you know, borderline,
gutless efforts, you know, And it's one thing for just
a guy on the outside to say it, but consistently
former players have said it's every fan can see it.
It's pretty obvious. Here's the thing with Mike. And I
actually heard Steve Young say this the other day driving
around the car, heard him on the radio. He said,
(30:24):
you know, listen, you look back. It sure looks with
every game that passes that Aaron Rodgers was carrying that ship.
And McCarthy he's been really He went eight and eight
his second to last year, then he got fired after
that Arizona game when they were just in shambles. Then
he took the year off and now he's terrible. So
clearly he didn't improve in the year off. So basically
he's been an average to below average coach now for
(30:46):
four years. If I'm Jerry Jones, I always understand if
you're a business, so you don't have much money, like
you know, finances are hard, it's hard to pay people
to go away or some costs. It's easy to say
unless you have a lot of money, and Jerry has
a lot of money, so I would I guess, I
don't know exactly Jerry's hasn't been in this position really
in my adult life. No one truly knows what he's
(31:07):
gonna do. But I think if he was in a
normal organization, I don't know how McCarthy would survive because
they clearly have some talent and it's one thing to lose,
but they're like just having efforts where it doesn't even
look like they're they just give up every game, they
just kind of tap out. I felt like the Ravens
only through it because they got tired of running it.
That's really what. But like I watched the Fortys, they
(31:29):
have a million injuries. They play hard every game, like
there's just all all you gotta do is most teams
I'm wanting the jahil. The Jags are one and eleven
and you turn on the game like they're often like
tied in the second half. The Cowboys are like, yeah,
it's we're down ten at half, so you guys later,
can we just shower and get out of here? Like that?
You Mike McCarthy. It's not like Mike McCarthy is the
first year coach. This was the guy, Harold is this
winning percentage that was good? Obviously in Green Bay, he'd
(31:51):
won a Super Bowl, he had been to the playoffs
a million times. What does that have to do with
right now? Because it doesn't even remotely when you watch
them go, Yeah, that's that's a playoff level coach. I
don't know if that's never crossed my mind watching them
playoff season. Uh, you can put him in and Greg
Williams out in the same boat, like why these dudes
keep getting jobs? Not not really quite not really quite sure?
(32:13):
Great stuff, dude. As always, the podcast is three now.
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on the Doug Gottlieb Show. I'm not sure that one
makes the cut for repeated play. It's cute, it's clever,
but that's not the anyway. Bye. What you got, dougr
Game today is psychic. Alright, psychic with other college basketball
(32:58):
coaches cancel they're non conference schemes like coach Ka and Duke. Yes, yes,
I think they will. Um. Look, we've gotten to the
point of ridiculousness, right, Like Isaiah Livers plays for Michigan
and he's complaining like we gotta play on Christmas and
the NBA players playing on Christmas and they get paid. Isaiah,
(33:18):
You're not in the NBA. If you could have made
the NBA, you would have left Michigan last year to
play in the NBA. You're in college. College guys almost
always play around holiday season, almost always go home for
two or three days. And if you don't want to play,
you don't have to. You can opt out, you get
the year back. So I just the complaining is I.
(33:41):
On one hand, you have most college basket players and
coaches and always like man, school just gets in the way,
like okay, well, let's move school online and you can
practice kind of whenever you want to play whenever you want. No. No,
I don't like that either. That's the problem. We are
a society of complete Winders, where nothing is ever good enough,
perfect transition not maybe not psychic. Will we see Kyrie
(34:04):
Irving talk to reporters within the next week. Nope, nope, nope.
This is the thing for him. You know, it took
him a year to kind of come off the flat
Earth thing. He's trying to make a point, and the
crazy thing is the opposite of the intended fact. If
his intention is to eliminate some of the noise and
the buzz and just appreciate the art, you do realize
(34:24):
that all the other players in the team have to
answer questions that he could normally answer, and it becomes
an annoyance in the nuisance and more noise than created.
No one actually pays attention to the nets. That's the
crazy part. Did you see the Basketball Reference, you know
where they have nicknames of the players, and this year
they approved world be Flat for Uncle Drew Ankletaker and
(34:51):
world be Flat for Kyrie. World be Flat is amazing, alright, psychic.
Will Christian McCaffrey play again this season for the Carolina
Panthers doubtful to play Week fourteen against the Broncos. Yes,
I think he will play one. I mean, he's making
a lot of money and one of the reasons that
he commanded that sary was he played sixteen games the
first three years, each of the first three years he
was in in the NFL, So I yes, he'll play alright, psychic.
(35:15):
Will Aaron Rodgers, who just hit the four hundred career
touchdown barrier last weekend against Philadelphia get to five hundred
touchdown passes in his career? Yes, yes, because you know
he'll get ten more at least this year. Right, that
I'll get into four. Okay, then you're eight, you're nine
(35:38):
a right and you need Lorita four years. Yeah, that's
a good question. Yeah, I think you will do Do
they count playoff touchdowns in the overall? Told they don't.
They don't, So that's going to be the tricky part.
I I think that you know, if you if you
(35:59):
get you get thirty five next year, Uh, then it
can be done. Did you did you see the NFL
films on on it when he's miked up or um
miked up when Aaron told him he doesn't have any
of the balls that number one who was through it
in the stands two hundred like the other guy's kept
(36:19):
him like I don't even have you can keep that one.
I don't even have any of that one. Like now
you want to have it, Psychic, Will Tastom Hill take
another step forward or backwards this Sunday against the Eagles? Oh, forwards,
it's the Eagles, absolutely forwards, alright, Psychic. Who throws from
more passing yards on Sunday in the game between the
Vikings and Buccaneers, Kirk Cousins or Tom Brady? Great question,
(36:41):
but justin Jefferson's pretty damn good. Huh Um, I'm gonna
go town Brady. I do think that the Buccaneers played
really well. Alright, Psychic. Finally, will you watch any preseason
NBA action tonight? Yes, I will watch. I'll flip around
and it'll be on and I'll get caught watching it.
(37:03):
All right. This is game time on the Dug Gottlieb Show.
Doug gotlip show here on Fox Sports. Rady, Yeah, weird
sports watching weekend where you've got a bunch of kind
of random ton of pack twelve really on on Saturday,
and then you have your games on Sunday. In the
National Football League, you have a smattering of college basketball,
(37:26):
smattering of preseason games, but the expectations are most of
these guys won't play. The crazy thing about some of
the stars not playing is some teams that weren't in
the bubble or weren't deep into the bubble. I'm blamed forever.
So you need that. You need that run before you
get to the real run of the NBA. On the
what's it like to play for Bill Belichick, I'll ask
a two time Super Bowl champion who played for him
(37:48):
in New England. That's up coming next to The Doug
Gotlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio,
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