February 18, 2021 • 39 mins
It's The Doug Gottlieb Show with Dan Beyer and George Wrighster filling in. Dan and George react to Carson Wentz being traded to the Colts and while Dan thinks Indy is doing things right by adding their big name QB last, George think they're gambling with their Super Bowl window. Former NFL QB Brandon Weeden weighs in on that as well as Tim Tebow retiring after 5 years in the Mets organization. Plus, the crew drafts their favorite all-time tennis players in Gametime.
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We are Farmers. The deal is done. Carson Wentz is
out of Philadelphia now a member of the Indianapolis Colts.
If you maybe missed it from the news desk. Third
round pick in one goes to Philly in the conditional
second rounder that could turn into a first rounder in
two on their way to the Eagles. George Rice stir
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the Carson Wentz. Era is done in Philadelphia and now
it begins in Indianapolis. Yeah, this was we knew that
this trade was coming. There had been smoked about this
for a while. Um, but I for the Eagles, there's
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so many questions right there is all right, you're going
to take at least a thirty three point eight million
dollars salary cap hit um to get rid of Carson Wentz.
You thought you were gonna get a first round pick.
Like why the breakup? You know what I mean? Like,
why are you willing to give him up if you
still think that? I mean, because you just gave him
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this contract. That's the thing that like, the gms have
to be held accountable in less snead with the Rams
given Jared Golfer contract four year, thirty d and some
million dollar extension and he didn't even play one snap
on it. And you've got Carson Wentz over a hundred
million dollar extension and he's barely played a year on that.
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This just doesn't make sense. Uh. It's like if you're
blaming the players as opposed to the coaching under general managers, Well,
I mean for for gms to be held accountable, I
think in both of these situations. You know Howie Roseman
is getting a bit of the business in Philadelphia, but
this is also a team that just three years ago
ended up winning a Super Bowl and two years ago
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with the Rams less sneeing in, the Rams put together
a team that ends up going to the Super Bowl.
And I think that some people not believe with the
acquisition of Matthew Stafford, are super Bowl contenders heading into
next season. So I don't know, like what we what
we need to hold accountable to the general managers. In fact,
the general manager that that that I think deserves a
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pat on the back is Chris out in Indianapolis, not
for George. For what they've done and getting Carson Wentz.
It's how they've gotten to this point to be able
to bring in a Carson Wentz or insert any quarterback
to maybe put the team over the top. You can
use Philip Rivers as an example for last season. What
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I take away from this from the GM angle is
that it's not necessarily indictment on less need for giving
Jared Goff that contract or Carson Wentz his deal with
with Philadelphia. It's this is how you build football teams,
and we always are in a rush to get the
quarterback first, that teams need to draft their quarterback and
end up building around that guy. Well, in today's day
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and age, that's just to me not the way to go.
You have to have the team first, and the quarterback
is very likely going to be the last piece or
one of the last pieces. And if you don't believe me,
just go to Tampa and tell me how that worked
out last year because Tom Bray, you was the last
piece that they needed for a Super Bowl run. And
now you look at the Colts and yeah, maybe it
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didn't work out, but they gave Buffalo a run for
their money in the wild card round. And I think
that even with the Carson Wentz to struggles, we're going
to see a better Colts team at the quarterback position
because Carson Wentz at least has a better arm than
Philip Rivers, and a Frank rych can can right the
wrongs that Carson Wentz had, or at least some of them.
They should be a very dangerous football team. And that's
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now with the running game with Jonathan Taylor, that's with
a great defense. The Colts are built the way that
NFL teams should be built. That's the GM takeaway I
think you need to take from this deal. Okay, I
think there's some truth to that, in the fact that
if you're gonna build a championship caliber team, you do
ideally want your quarterback on a Rickey deal. Like that's ideal, right,
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So that means that you have a good defense in places,
a solid running game, a good offensive line, and then
you can insert said quarterback. I do think that there
is some some truth to that. But when you look
at the Carson Wentz situation, if you're the Coats, you
still need to draft a quarterback, right because I mean,
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but that may end up hurting wins, his feelings and
his mentality, like it didn't feelly. But I just don't
see pinning all their super Bowl hopes and their future
on wins because that sounds sketchy to me. A dude
who just got benched. I know that you think that
you can rehab him because that that that's one of
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the things that coaches always do. They think that they
have the magic sauce and the magic you know thing
to to rehab a player. They think that they have,
you know, magic knowledge, and the Coats clearly believe that.
But On one hand, I think that you have to
head your bets and draft a quarterback. But then with
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Carson Wentz is here street, he may go in the
tank and that would mean he's fragile mentally. Right, Well,
I think that there's I think there's that hanging over
him already. I think that that that is that if
if it doesn't work out in Indianapolis, there's there's really
nowhere you can go with Carson Wentz except the backup. Yeah,
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and and and that backup situation is going to be
one to watch. Jacoby Brissette is not under contract, he's
a free agent one, so you don't know if he's
gonna be back with Indianapolis or not. I would say
probably not, although maybe it wouldn't be a bad, bad
situation for the Colts to have him back. See, I
don't think that they have to draft a quarterback. I
think maybe they will, but they're obviously they don't have
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a second round pick anymore because that's going over to Philadelphia.
You're not gonna take a first round pick and draft
the successor, especially after now you've got Carson Wentz his
contract on your books, so there's like you made draft
a quarterback later, but this is this is now. Carson
Wentz is team for the for at least the short term,
maybe not the next five years, but for the next
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two years. This is Carson Wentz his team in Indianapolis.
So I don't think that you I don't think that
the Colts are going to be drafting because if you
draft a quarterback in the third round and say this
could be our guy, you're kind of putting Carson Wentz
in that situation that he was just in in Philadelphia,
which for you know, for a variety of reasons, did
not work and became a toxic situation. You don't want
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Colts fans doing what Eagles fans are doing and saying,
I wonder what we could get from that third round pick,
Especially for a team that is on the verge of
of of challenging the Chiefs for a f C supremacy.
You don't want to be using a third round pick
and definitely not a first round pick this year on
a quarterback. That would only cause problems in the quarterback room.
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Carson Wentz is uh or the Cults are Carson Wentz
his team right now. That's that's where that's where this is,
and it's just if they want to move on for
two years, that's fine. I think they'll be competitive for
two years running game, that offensive line, of that defense,
they're going to be in it. They can judge that
if Carson Wentz is going to be the guy, and
if he's not, you know what you do. Then you
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move on from Carson Wentz maybe after and you see
what the Rams did and trying to bring in Matthew
Stafford because they are gonna be quarterbacks available. That is
the trend that we've seen out in the National Football League.
I don't see a lot of risk from the Colt's
angle in all of this. Mean no, they're risking their
Super Bowl window. I mean think, think about this. Carson
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Wentz is going into his sixth season, his sixth season,
and out of those seasons, he's had one good season,
one season where you would look and be like, yo,
he's the man, He's the absolute man. And he's had
an average season in twenty nineteen, which he still regressed
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a little bit, but he still had a twenty seven touchdowns,
seven interceptions. He took himself out of a playoff game
because he said it was hurt, so that the twenty
nineties season. Still he's still your starting quarterback, still all
of that. But he's had one really good season Nest
in seventeen, and he didn't even play that whole season.
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So the idea that then that you're gonna get to
in his sixth year, that you're gonna rekindle some sort
of magic that he hasn't had in four of his
previous five seasons doesn't make sense to me. See, I
think that that that Carson Wentz. I don't look at
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his seasons the way you look at the at them
when you're saying the one good season that Carson Wentz
had that was in seventeen, and that was an m
VP caliber season. So he was on his way to
being the league's m v P before he hurt his knee.
He was the next season and coming back from that
knee injury, had a you know, one touchdown, seven in
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or sceptions. That that's pretty decent to me for a
guy who played in eleven games, maybe turning the football
over a little bit more than you would like. But
then in twenty nineteen, as you mentioned, he gets knocked
out of that wild card game with against the Seahawks,
and there were some questions there in that season where
they really didn't have tons of game breaking weapons, didn't
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have a great running game, you still have twenty seven
touchdowns and seven interceptions. I think what we just remember
is how bad for Carson Wentz and when you take
everything that came with that of still people thinking that
Nick Foles should be the quarterback your draft Jalen Hurts
and bring him in here. There seemed to be a
fractured relationship with with Doug Peterson. Who knows what was
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happening with Doug Peterson and Howie Roseman because those two
aren't together anymore as Peterson's god. It just seems that
dysfunction ruled the world in Philadelphia and Carson Wentz may
have been a byproduct of all of that and maybe
not necessarily the reason. So I think that there's when
you actually look at track record of what happened over
the last three or four years, we are so stained
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from what happened in I mean, I'll admit watching the
NFL network and showing highlights George is the first time
I have ever seen a highlight package of a player
being traded with a mixture of touchdown passes and interceptions
being thrown. Usually it's it's highlight after highlight. This player
is going here, this player is going there. That is
not what they're doing with Carson Wentz. And I think
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that we're all guilty of just seeing how bad last
season was. But we have to give him a break.
The success that he had stuff in that Super Bowl
season was with Frank right at that time. So if
there is gonna be an opportunity, you at least have
to give him a break. And again if it doesn't,
it doesn't work out. The Colts are fine in the
They're not of their team is is built to sustaining
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a winning culture in India. Very low risk for the Colts.
What are you talking about. It's the highest risk that
the difference between the Colts and a Super Bowl is
the quarterback position. We we both agree, I think we
both agree on that that they are built in every
other aspect to win a championship. Would you agree? Yes,
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So it's a very high risk because it's a very
high risk proposition to gamble your Super Bowl hopes on
Carson wins. It is when when he has And I
guess you're saying, all right, if he can be twenty nineteen,
who was regressed a little bit, then maybe we can win.
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But that's the same You're essentially saying that we can
win with lesser than Philip Rivers last year, and you
can't touch is better than Philip Rivers. I think you
think that you think wait, hold on, Dan, So you're
telling me that you think that Carson Wentz we'll play
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and mind you, I have been a Philip Rivers. I
was a Philip Rivers critic this last year in terms
of what he what the ceiling was for this team.
But you're gonna go on record as telling me that
you believe that Carson Wentz this upcoming year will have
a better year than Philip Rivers had thrown for four
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yards four touch now is an eleven interceptions. What I'm
saying to the to the point of the question, which
would would end up answering this question, is if you
get the twenty nineteen Carson Wentz that through twenty seven
touchdowns and seven interceptions that led the Eagles to a
division title. I know it wasn't a a stellar year,
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but to a division title with not a lot of weapons,
that that is what you need in Indianapolis. And that
twenty nineteen season that Carson Wentz had was better than
the season that Philip Rivers had this past year with
the Indianapolis Colts. That's what I'm saying, and you get
a more look. We talk about mobility with quarterbacks, Uh,
there's there's now Carson Wentz does have mobility. Maybe you
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don't want him running all the time because of an
injury history, but he gives you that something that Philip
Rivers didn't do. And look at it this way, George,
If if Carson Wentz goes to the Bears and he
flames out, that team is is in disarray in Chicago.
Guys are getting fired left and right. That you have
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to retool, you have to rebuild. That's not the case
in Indianapolis. And if it doesn't work out in Indianapolis
with him, if he ends up being the same Carson Wentz,
they still have a running game in defense that can
support the team. And that's why I go back to
the point where the Colts. I don't think it's as
much of a risk as people look at it for
even giving up a possible first round pick, because if
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that if that is a first round pick, it likely
means you played the where the playoffs not likely means
that Carson Wentz played a majority of your snaps, which
would tell me the he is your quarterback. And that's
why I just I look at it for the cult
who are trying to reach the mountaintop, trying to do
what Tampa Bay did and and and winning a Super Bowl.
I am not worried about the Colts and then getting
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Carson Wentz in the steel That's what I'm trying to say.
You're not. Oh, man, I can't believe you supported Philip Rivers.
I mean, you've been such a hater on on Philip.
Maybe now that he's retired he softened up a little bit. Huh.
Could be the case, man, I just realized it for
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what it is like that that the history tells us
that Philip Rivers. I'm sorry that Carson Wentz is not
an elite quarterback. Consistently through the bulk of his career,
he's been a average to below average quarterback for four
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of his five seasons. He had one outliers to think
that you're gonna pull what yeah, you know it's twenty nineteen.
Was not below average? No, I said average. I know,
I said average or below average? All right, Well, so
is there is anything that I said not true that
four of his five seasons have either been average or
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below average. I I think the way that you're characterizing
it is is misleading because the one good year was
an m v P caliber year. And I know I'm
saying that that that that was an outline that yeah,
I know, I know, I know, but you're calling it
one good year and I think it was. That's what
it is. It's a spectacular spectacular, Okay. When you look
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at what he did in in twenty nineteen, I think
it tells you that there's more that that that's more
of the Carson Wentz. Just get the Carson Wentz of
nineteen without with all the drama that was in Philadelphia,
and the Colts will be fine. George, We've got a lot,
we got, we got all showed to talk about this.
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I could not think of a more perfect guest than
the guy that we have on right now. He's on
every single week with Doug, but the timing for us
is magnificent. He's former NFL quarterback, former minor league baseball player.
Brandon Wweedon joins us here on Fox Sports Radio. Hey, Brandon,
gonna talk today, Aged, How are you not too bad?
Hopefully I'll let you guys down, but I'm here in
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Oklama City. Just freeze matail off that you're like the
rest of the country, and you know, from from Texas
all the way to Minnesota and and out east as well.
It's just it's absolutely it's absurd, George. I don't want
to tell him, but here in southern California it's like
six five and sunny. But that's that's what we've got
here today. Uh, Brandon joined this. I do want to
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get your thoughts on Tim Tebow and Fernando Tatis Jr.
A little bit later, just because of your baseball background,
But we are talking about the NFL. What does Carson
Wentz need in Indianapolis to to to turn his career
around now that he's been traded by Philadelphia. Well, I
think getting back in touch with coach, you know, with
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the coaching staff want a system, and he's kind of
familiar with um. You know, I just think you know,
coach wreck is, you know, they're familiar with each other.
They you know, had some success together. You know, I
had some buddies like you know, who would rather have,
you know, wins or Goff in the book Good Players,
I'm like, you know, Carson Wentz didn't. He didn't forget
how to play football. I mean we're talking about a
guy that two years ago, it was playing some really
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good football, came across a pretty nasty injury, but the
guy played some really good football. So I mean he's
got it, you know, in the tank. You know, I
just think his his confidence got a little shattered. Um,
you know, for for various reasons. One, I think they
were kind of playing musical chairs up front with the
offensive line, you know, so they never really you know,
had a had a stable offensive line in front of them,
which is always you know, very very tough. And then
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and then his receiving corps, you know, zach Ertz was hurt.
Um receiving core as on Jeffrey was eat up there.
You know, the receiving corps was was pretty decimated as well.
So you know, he didn't have a full deck. Now
I'm not giving a free pass because you know, he
made some decisions and made some bad, you know, bad
throws here and there that were you know, a little questionable.
But um, you know, I think he's got a lot
of really good football. I mean, I think he's going
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to an unbelievable situation in India. I I think with
that defense, you know, t Y Hilton, that running game,
that offensive line, you know, Clinton Nelson is one of
the better interior guards in football. I just think it's
a really good, good situation for him to kind of
hit the reset button and start over and kind of
get back to to what he did his first you know,
two or three years and fill him and play some
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play some good football. Brandon, if you were vague cults,
would you just bring being that you believe that you
have a super Bowl roster besides the quarterback position, would
you solely bring in Carson Wentz as your starter or
would you look at potentially drafting a guy or bringing
a guy like Ryan Fitzpatrick or someone like that in
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is free in free agency as well, just as an
insurance case in case you get what you got last year. Well,
and you guys m have to answer this for him.
I'm not sure what Jacoby Prosett's contract situation is. Okay, Yeah, So,
I mean, and I think he's a He's a really
good backup, you know, so if it's me, I try
to resign him one. He's familiar with that situation. If
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he were to come in there and have to play,
he's familiar with it. So I'd probably start there. I mean, yeah,
if Ryan Fitzpatrick were to come up there, I mean,
I don't I don't, Like I said, I'm not sure
what Ryan's situation there is in Miami. I think he's
a free agent as well. But um now, I mean
I think Jacoby Brissette, he's already in place. He knows
the culture, he knows the atmosphere. You know, I would
be very very comfortable with with him as my backup
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behind car Carson went and let him compete a little bit,
you know, but with everything they had to give up
and the money they're gonna have to absorb there with
with Carson's pretty clear he's gonna be the starter. But
um yeah, you know, I mean, the quarterback position is
just it's so tough, you know, and unless you're you know,
Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees. I mean, you know,
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you never really feel safe, you know, And that's that's
what's crazy about the NFL. It's just it's such a
ridicule position from from pre much of time to get anywhere.
It's just it's just under the spotlight, which is you know,
that's why these guys are making forty or fifty million dollars.
You know, some of these guys are not all of them,
but some of these guys are making so much money
because it's it's obviously a very important position. But um,
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you know, without having a list in front of me, Uh,
I said, I would, I would feel pretty comfortable with
Coper said he's he's coming and played you know pretty well. Um,
you know in spurts there. But you know, I think
they have to, you know, with Philip Ropers moving on,
I think that's to feel pretty good with with the
direction they're going at the quarterback position. Brandon Weeden joining
us here on the Doug got Lip Show at Fox
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Sports Radio. I'm Dan Buyer. He's George Rice Stir sitting
in for Doug today. Uh. Tim Tebow retired yesterday, of course,
you know, Tebow started his professional playing career as a
football player, ends it as a baseball player. You did
the opposite. And in seeing what what Tebow did and
Tebow officially retires, what is something that we are missing, uh,
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that that that Tim Tebow went through or something that
we should appreciate the difficulty of what he did that
maybe you had to experience. Well, he's fortunate in a
way because he got to go to minor league baseball
making money or having money in his pocket, you know,
in the minor league baseball with a literally a Snickers
bar and un fortunately got a nice little signing about us.
But yeah, you know it's he got a little head
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start there. But yeah, I mean, you know, his situation
obviously is very unique. He's Tim Tebow, so you know,
the the media coverage and everything that comes with it's
a little more than pretty much everybody that he was,
you know, teammates with or playing against um. And I'll
be honest, he he made it higher and played longer
than I thought he would. You know, I didn't think
it was publicity stunt by any mean, But I also
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I didn't think he'd make it, you know, longer in
a couple of years and I thought he'd move on
and you know, getting the TV or do other things.
But yeah, I mean he's uh, you know, his story
is is unbelievable and he's obviously a very talented guy. Um,
but yeah, I mean trust me, my rookie year two
thousand two with the Yankees, Uh, just my little My
monthly payment was he was like eight fifty dollars a month.
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And unfortunately I was with the Yankees and George Steinbrenner,
had he paid for our hotel or else, I had
to pay for living. And at that point, I'm pretty
much paying the play. So I got I got pretty lucky.
So he you know, like I said, Tebow came in
with a with a pocket full of cash, and so
his life was a little bit easier. But he was
able to, uh, he was able to play, like I said,
a lot longer than I expected. Just to jump in here,
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it sounds like it was a lot easier. Is that
something that we should take take with a grain of
salt of what he did. I I didn't mean to
set it up as like a praising thing for Tebow,
but it does sound like that. You know, there are
some people that questioned whether he got as far as
he did if he would have just been you know,
Joe Jones or something like that. But it is, I mean,
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it is that the case with with Tebow's situation is
it maybe not as spectacular as as we you know,
kind of wanted to frame it to be. Yeah, I mean,
if if he puts up those numbers and he's, like
you said, Joe Smith, you know, does he make it
the double air triple A? And probably not? But it's
Tim Tebow and he's got the name, the kind of
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kind of back everything, which that's that's the tricky part.
So he's basically going in there essentially like a first
round pick or the first one of the first picks
because of who he is, which is it's just fine,
I get it. But um, yeah, I mean, you know,
my onlyague min only baseball is a it's a it's
a grind and a different grind than than what he's
probably used to in the NFL or you can college football.
So um, you know, my hats off to him for
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doing as long as you did. But you know, like
I said, I I've never watched Hi play a game.
I watched him. VP's obviously got some power MVP, but
you know his numbers alone, you know, did didn't jump
off the off the TV screen at you? You know? So?
Um again, that's why I kind of say, I think
I'm kind of shocked play as long as you did,
and which is which is pretty impressive. Um. If you're
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looking at the state of the NFL right right now,
Brandon in terms of having so many quarterbacks on the move,
and it seems like the teams are willing to give
up on guys like Carson Wentz and Jared Golf that
clearly they invested a hundred million dollar contracts. And what
do you think that that is? Do you think that
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that's that the coaches and the gms are doing a
bad job evaluating talent or that they're doing a poor
job of coaching them up. Um, well, I think each
situation is probably different. I would say a little bit
of maybe both. But you know, the NFL is such
a mean During the season, it's such a week to
week league. And you win one week, you're gonna win
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the Super Bowl. You're losing next week to the worst
team the NFL. I mean, it's just such it's just
such a roller coaster. Promotions and that's kind of way.
There's every offseason with these guys, you know, they go
out and have an average of blow average year. Everybody's
writting them off. Let's let's go, let's find the next guy.
Let's go out and you know, unless you're you know,
Deshaun watching these young guys that have had these long
term contract which I guess Carson Wentz does. But you know,
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it's just the value of emotions with the front office
is no one's patient, you know, no one's no one's
willing to And this guy had a he had a
last he had a rough last eight weeks of the season.
You know, this, this, this, and this happened. You know,
let's give him benefit of doubt. Let's let brust bring
him here as a starter come two thousand twenty one,
unless see what happens that that doesn't happen more. No
(27:29):
one's no one's patient enough anymore. So, um, you know,
you look at you know, Jared Goff's situation when he
was Sean McVeigh, I mean, Sean McBey is a brilliant
offensive minds we all know, and Jared Goff, I mean
took him the Super Bowl and next thing, you know,
He's getting traded to Detroit from Matthew Stafford, a couple
of you know, with a couple of first round picks.
You know. So it wasn't that wasn't very long ago
(27:49):
that Jared Goff is playing the super Bowl. You know.
So the NFL man, it'll it'll bite you in the
in the ask before you know it. I mean, it's
just it happens so fast, and um, you know, what
have you done for me lately? And that that's it's
just a it's a nasty, nasty business. Especially at the
quarterback position. They're always looking to find that next guy.
And um, you know I would say, well, shoot, there's
(28:10):
probably what nine or ten twelve teams that are looking
for a quarterback this offseason, and and uh you know
once they get there, they'll probably be still looking over
their shoulder. And you know, teams are still gonna be
looking to try to find that next guy. So it's
just yep, you gotta win. It's always to it. Just
just win, baby, and then went out out David said, forever,
you just gotta win. I mean, that's just that's just
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the way it is. Takes care of everything. He's Brandon
Wheed and our Fox Sports Radio NFL analyst, former quarterback
and as we talked about the day, uh former a
minor league picture. Brandon, We appreciate it. Have a great weekend,
and uh be safe and be warm and in frozen
Oklahoma if you will. I'm trying, man, I'm trying. It's
freezing cold there. I'll get it. It's screwing up my
golf game, but but I'll get over. Hopefully it does. Quick.
(28:55):
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save a whole lot of something on auto insurance. Fernando
Tatis Jr. Got a fourteen year, three D and forty
million dollar extension from the San Diego Padres last night.
What a deal for the twenty two year old, but
a deal, George. For the sounds of it, you thought
maybe was rushed a little bit. Oh yeah, yeah, see, okay.
(29:39):
I have never, I will never and do never begrudge
players for getting their money. I think that this is
a deal that the Padres look at as if they're right.
They're gonna have him for what twenty four twenty six
million dollars during his prime. The back end when he's
thirty six may not look too hot, but salaries will
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be way up at that time too, So they're hoping
that they can get a couple of World Series in
the process and all of that. The issue, my only
question about this is that it feels rust for the Padres.
He has played a grand total of a hundred and
forty three baseball games over the course of two seasons.
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And we know how baseball numbers work that they you
just can't just you know, take part of a season
because players get hot, they you know, the numbers regress
to the mean. We just don't know what the mean is.
So I think he played eighty nine games his first
(30:44):
year and then forty six last year, or fifty six
something something like that. Either way, it adds up to
a hundred and uh forty three games and you're just
standing I'm standing there looking. I'm like, Okay, he's twenty
two years old. If I'm the Padres and they have
four more of years until he reaches free agency, that
means that you have a guy who's going to take
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a deal like this any time over the next two
years because he's not gonna get paid and he's not
gonna want to be hitting forty home runs for the
next two seasons without getting a major contract. So why
not wait until after this season when you know for sure,
after he puts in you know, a hundred thirty plus games,
(31:27):
and you can say, all right, yeah, this is continuing
on this trend. So now give him, you know, instead
of a fourteen year deal, give him a thirteen year
or a twelve year deal because he's going to take it. Well,
here's I can see that portion of it. Like, if
I'm the Padres, you don't want to push it and
(31:47):
and and wait three years to do it, because during
that time you can end up souring. Um, maybe Fernando
Tatis Jr. Is a little frustrated. Maybe there's just a
lot can happen. I think that this is different for
two reasons. Number one. Even with the Padres and the
move that they are making, this really signifies that this
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is just a different organization with a j prelor running it,
that they are they are committed in that they are
willing to do it. Now, are they gonna be on
the hook for the full fourteen years if things don't
work out? Probably not. I mean, I mean, I think
we all expect the Yankees, like in seven years to
be like, all right, what do you you know, like
if it doesn't work out in San Diego, is there's
(32:30):
something that can be done? However, at this point, it's
it signifies as well that the Padres are committed to
Fernando Tatis Jr. And they're committed to winning, and they're
committed to the players. And I think it's going to help,
whether it be in free agency or it's going to
help just with the fan base in in making that
(32:53):
sort of statement. And I'll also say this, I think
that Tatis has it. I think that he's got that
that that special thing that we've you know, we all
want Mike Trout to have it. But for as great
as Mike Trout is, he doesn't have it. And that's
of being you know, the superstar that can that can
reach the masses, that can reach outside of baseball, and
(33:16):
there's something about Fernando Tatis Jr. That That has that
and so I could see on why they want to
do that. And now just by just by signing him
to this deal, it raises the name of the Padres up.
Whether they can compete with the Dodgers, we'll find out
on the field, but when you take everything outside of that,
I think that's why they needed to do it. This
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could be he could be the next superstar in in
Major League Baseball, and I think that's how that that's
how the Padres viewed this, and they didn't want to
take any chances. And if it works out, there's likely
going to be different deals. Maybe he'll want more money,
but at some time maybe he'll be a bargain. But
I just commend the Padres for doing it because it
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completely changes a narrative about an organization, especially in a
league where we're seeing teams just punt on seasons and
not even want to be competitive. They're going for it
after having such a drought for so many years, now
that they've got a foundation, the Blake Snell, you know,
deal with another one the Padres Aaronant I commend him
for doing so. I think it was a much more
(34:19):
bigger baseball world though than just on the field and
what his production is going to be. I think that
they feel that superstardom could be on the horizon and
you want to lock him in with that. Yeah, like
there's no debate about that. But okay, I look at
Fernando Tatis in his career trajectory. Then I look at
a guy like Juan Soto who is a year younger
(34:42):
and he's actually played pretty much two full seasons in
the MLB and then the trunk cat it last season,
and his splits are at least just as good and
better in some cases, Like that's the like I wouldn't
have any questions about that deal to one so because
he's played full seasons as opposed to Fernando Tatis, who
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hasn't even played a total of a full season. Shortstop,
you know, a big position there, there's I I just
I think that there's I'm not I'm not worried about
Fernando Tatis not producing. Maybe I'll be wrong, but I
just I don't think that another season would have changed
anything when it when it comes to the padres. I
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think it's a much much bigger deal, uh than that
it is. It is the elevation of the brand of
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I know what we've got, but what is it? Ralph?
What do we have today? Burn? Because I feel a draft?
All right? This is the deal. We usually do two
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and Ralph. George, you get to pick your favorite tennis
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Give me the goat. I'm taking the goat. The greatest
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Today's you get the point. Serena goes number one. John Ramos,
you are at number two. I'm gonna take beyond Boring Boring.
(37:38):
He's my favorite growing up. I love to watch that
guy play, So people bored number two. Alright, Lee, you
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this is a tough one. You know what, I'll back
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we've got Federer Nadal at number four. Ralph, you are
up at five. I'll just take the real greatest of
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Oh and by the way, they're still selling his shoes
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We are Farmers. The deal is done. Carson Wentz is
out of Philadelphia now a member of the Indianapolis Colts.
If you maybe missed it from the news desk. Third
round pick in one goes to Philly in the conditional
second rounder that could turn into a first rounder in
two on their way to the Eagles. George Rice stir
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the Carson Wentz. Era is done in Philadelphia and now
it begins in Indianapolis. Yeah, this was we knew that
this trade was coming. There had been smoked about this
for a while. Um, but I for the Eagles, there's
(01:32):
so many questions right there is all right, you're going
to take at least a thirty three point eight million
dollars salary cap hit um to get rid of Carson Wentz.
You thought you were gonna get a first round pick.
Like why the breakup? You know what I mean? Like,
why are you willing to give him up if you
still think that? I mean, because you just gave him
(01:53):
this contract. That's the thing that like, the gms have
to be held accountable in less snead with the Rams
given Jared Golfer contract four year, thirty d and some
million dollar extension and he didn't even play one snap
on it. And you've got Carson Wentz over a hundred
million dollar extension and he's barely played a year on that.
(02:16):
This just doesn't make sense. Uh. It's like if you're
blaming the players as opposed to the coaching under general managers, Well,
I mean for for gms to be held accountable, I
think in both of these situations. You know Howie Roseman
is getting a bit of the business in Philadelphia, but
this is also a team that just three years ago
ended up winning a Super Bowl and two years ago
(02:37):
with the Rams less sneeing in, the Rams put together
a team that ends up going to the Super Bowl.
And I think that some people not believe with the
acquisition of Matthew Stafford, are super Bowl contenders heading into
next season. So I don't know, like what we what
we need to hold accountable to the general managers. In fact,
the general manager that that that I think deserves a
(02:58):
pat on the back is Chris out in Indianapolis, not
for George. For what they've done and getting Carson Wentz.
It's how they've gotten to this point to be able
to bring in a Carson Wentz or insert any quarterback
to maybe put the team over the top. You can
use Philip Rivers as an example for last season. What
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I take away from this from the GM angle is
that it's not necessarily indictment on less need for giving
Jared Goff that contract or Carson Wentz his deal with
with Philadelphia. It's this is how you build football teams,
and we always are in a rush to get the
quarterback first, that teams need to draft their quarterback and
end up building around that guy. Well, in today's day
(03:44):
and age, that's just to me not the way to go.
You have to have the team first, and the quarterback
is very likely going to be the last piece or
one of the last pieces. And if you don't believe me,
just go to Tampa and tell me how that worked
out last year because Tom Bray, you was the last
piece that they needed for a Super Bowl run. And
now you look at the Colts and yeah, maybe it
(04:05):
didn't work out, but they gave Buffalo a run for
their money in the wild card round. And I think
that even with the Carson Wentz to struggles, we're going
to see a better Colts team at the quarterback position
because Carson Wentz at least has a better arm than
Philip Rivers, and a Frank rych can can right the
wrongs that Carson Wentz had, or at least some of them.
They should be a very dangerous football team. And that's
(04:28):
now with the running game with Jonathan Taylor, that's with
a great defense. The Colts are built the way that
NFL teams should be built. That's the GM takeaway I
think you need to take from this deal. Okay, I
think there's some truth to that, in the fact that
if you're gonna build a championship caliber team, you do
ideally want your quarterback on a Rickey deal. Like that's ideal, right,
(04:52):
So that means that you have a good defense in places,
a solid running game, a good offensive line, and then
you can insert said quarterback. I do think that there
is some some truth to that. But when you look
at the Carson Wentz situation, if you're the Coats, you
still need to draft a quarterback, right because I mean,
(05:13):
but that may end up hurting wins, his feelings and
his mentality, like it didn't feelly. But I just don't
see pinning all their super Bowl hopes and their future
on wins because that sounds sketchy to me. A dude
who just got benched. I know that you think that
you can rehab him because that that that's one of
(05:35):
the things that coaches always do. They think that they
have the magic sauce and the magic you know thing
to to rehab a player. They think that they have,
you know, magic knowledge, and the Coats clearly believe that.
But On one hand, I think that you have to
head your bets and draft a quarterback. But then with
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Carson Wentz is here street, he may go in the
tank and that would mean he's fragile mentally. Right, Well,
I think that there's I think there's that hanging over
him already. I think that that that is that if
if it doesn't work out in Indianapolis, there's there's really
nowhere you can go with Carson Wentz except the backup. Yeah,
(06:22):
and and and that backup situation is going to be
one to watch. Jacoby Brissette is not under contract, he's
a free agent one, so you don't know if he's
gonna be back with Indianapolis or not. I would say
probably not, although maybe it wouldn't be a bad, bad
situation for the Colts to have him back. See, I
don't think that they have to draft a quarterback. I
think maybe they will, but they're obviously they don't have
(06:43):
a second round pick anymore because that's going over to Philadelphia.
You're not gonna take a first round pick and draft
the successor, especially after now you've got Carson Wentz his
contract on your books, so there's like you made draft
a quarterback later, but this is this is now. Carson
Wentz is team for the for at least the short term,
maybe not the next five years, but for the next
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two years. This is Carson Wentz his team in Indianapolis.
So I don't think that you I don't think that
the Colts are going to be drafting because if you
draft a quarterback in the third round and say this
could be our guy, you're kind of putting Carson Wentz
in that situation that he was just in in Philadelphia,
which for you know, for a variety of reasons, did
not work and became a toxic situation. You don't want
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Colts fans doing what Eagles fans are doing and saying,
I wonder what we could get from that third round pick,
Especially for a team that is on the verge of
of of challenging the Chiefs for a f C supremacy.
You don't want to be using a third round pick
and definitely not a first round pick this year on
a quarterback. That would only cause problems in the quarterback room.
(07:47):
Carson Wentz is uh or the Cults are Carson Wentz
his team right now. That's that's where that's where this is,
and it's just if they want to move on for
two years, that's fine. I think they'll be competitive for
two years running game, that offensive line, of that defense,
they're going to be in it. They can judge that
if Carson Wentz is going to be the guy, and
if he's not, you know what you do. Then you
(08:08):
move on from Carson Wentz maybe after and you see
what the Rams did and trying to bring in Matthew
Stafford because they are gonna be quarterbacks available. That is
the trend that we've seen out in the National Football League.
I don't see a lot of risk from the Colt's
angle in all of this. Mean no, they're risking their
Super Bowl window. I mean think, think about this. Carson
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Wentz is going into his sixth season, his sixth season,
and out of those seasons, he's had one good season,
one season where you would look and be like, yo,
he's the man, He's the absolute man. And he's had
an average season in twenty nineteen, which he still regressed
(08:54):
a little bit, but he still had a twenty seven touchdowns,
seven interceptions. He took himself out of a playoff game
because he said it was hurt, so that the twenty
nineties season. Still he's still your starting quarterback, still all
of that. But he's had one really good season Nest
in seventeen, and he didn't even play that whole season.
(09:15):
So the idea that then that you're gonna get to
in his sixth year, that you're gonna rekindle some sort
of magic that he hasn't had in four of his
previous five seasons doesn't make sense to me. See, I
think that that that Carson Wentz. I don't look at
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his seasons the way you look at the at them
when you're saying the one good season that Carson Wentz
had that was in seventeen, and that was an m
VP caliber season. So he was on his way to
being the league's m v P before he hurt his knee.
He was the next season and coming back from that
knee injury, had a you know, one touchdown, seven in
(09:59):
or sceptions. That that's pretty decent to me for a
guy who played in eleven games, maybe turning the football
over a little bit more than you would like. But
then in twenty nineteen, as you mentioned, he gets knocked
out of that wild card game with against the Seahawks,
and there were some questions there in that season where
they really didn't have tons of game breaking weapons, didn't
(10:21):
have a great running game, you still have twenty seven
touchdowns and seven interceptions. I think what we just remember
is how bad for Carson Wentz and when you take
everything that came with that of still people thinking that
Nick Foles should be the quarterback your draft Jalen Hurts
and bring him in here. There seemed to be a
fractured relationship with with Doug Peterson. Who knows what was
(10:44):
happening with Doug Peterson and Howie Roseman because those two
aren't together anymore as Peterson's god. It just seems that
dysfunction ruled the world in Philadelphia and Carson Wentz may
have been a byproduct of all of that and maybe
not necessarily the reason. So I think that there's when
you actually look at track record of what happened over
the last three or four years, we are so stained
(11:05):
from what happened in I mean, I'll admit watching the
NFL network and showing highlights George is the first time
I have ever seen a highlight package of a player
being traded with a mixture of touchdown passes and interceptions
being thrown. Usually it's it's highlight after highlight. This player
is going here, this player is going there. That is
not what they're doing with Carson Wentz. And I think
(11:27):
that we're all guilty of just seeing how bad last
season was. But we have to give him a break.
The success that he had stuff in that Super Bowl
season was with Frank right at that time. So if
there is gonna be an opportunity, you at least have
to give him a break. And again if it doesn't,
it doesn't work out. The Colts are fine in the
They're not of their team is is built to sustaining
(11:52):
a winning culture in India. Very low risk for the Colts.
What are you talking about. It's the highest risk that
the difference between the Colts and a Super Bowl is
the quarterback position. We we both agree, I think we
both agree on that that they are built in every
other aspect to win a championship. Would you agree? Yes,
(12:13):
So it's a very high risk because it's a very
high risk proposition to gamble your Super Bowl hopes on
Carson wins. It is when when he has And I
guess you're saying, all right, if he can be twenty nineteen,
who was regressed a little bit, then maybe we can win.
(12:35):
But that's the same You're essentially saying that we can
win with lesser than Philip Rivers last year, and you
can't touch is better than Philip Rivers. I think you
think that you think wait, hold on, Dan, So you're
telling me that you think that Carson Wentz we'll play
(13:00):
and mind you, I have been a Philip Rivers. I
was a Philip Rivers critic this last year in terms
of what he what the ceiling was for this team.
But you're gonna go on record as telling me that
you believe that Carson Wentz this upcoming year will have
a better year than Philip Rivers had thrown for four
(13:23):
yards four touch now is an eleven interceptions. What I'm
saying to the to the point of the question, which
would would end up answering this question, is if you
get the twenty nineteen Carson Wentz that through twenty seven
touchdowns and seven interceptions that led the Eagles to a
division title. I know it wasn't a a stellar year,
(13:44):
but to a division title with not a lot of weapons,
that that is what you need in Indianapolis. And that
twenty nineteen season that Carson Wentz had was better than
the season that Philip Rivers had this past year with
the Indianapolis Colts. That's what I'm saying, and you get
a more look. We talk about mobility with quarterbacks, Uh,
there's there's now Carson Wentz does have mobility. Maybe you
(14:07):
don't want him running all the time because of an
injury history, but he gives you that something that Philip
Rivers didn't do. And look at it this way, George,
If if Carson Wentz goes to the Bears and he
flames out, that team is is in disarray in Chicago.
Guys are getting fired left and right. That you have
(14:28):
to retool, you have to rebuild. That's not the case
in Indianapolis. And if it doesn't work out in Indianapolis
with him, if he ends up being the same Carson Wentz,
they still have a running game in defense that can
support the team. And that's why I go back to
the point where the Colts. I don't think it's as
much of a risk as people look at it for
even giving up a possible first round pick, because if
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that if that is a first round pick, it likely
means you played the where the playoffs not likely means
that Carson Wentz played a majority of your snaps, which
would tell me the he is your quarterback. And that's
why I just I look at it for the cult
who are trying to reach the mountaintop, trying to do
what Tampa Bay did and and and winning a Super Bowl.
I am not worried about the Colts and then getting
(15:11):
Carson Wentz in the steel That's what I'm trying to say.
You're not. Oh, man, I can't believe you supported Philip Rivers.
I mean, you've been such a hater on on Philip.
Maybe now that he's retired he softened up a little bit. Huh.
Could be the case, man, I just realized it for
(15:33):
what it is like that that the history tells us
that Philip Rivers. I'm sorry that Carson Wentz is not
an elite quarterback. Consistently through the bulk of his career,
he's been a average to below average quarterback for four
(15:54):
of his five seasons. He had one outliers to think
that you're gonna pull what yeah, you know it's twenty nineteen.
Was not below average? No, I said average. I know,
I said average or below average? All right, Well, so
is there is anything that I said not true that
four of his five seasons have either been average or
(16:16):
below average. I I think the way that you're characterizing
it is is misleading because the one good year was
an m v P caliber year. And I know I'm
saying that that that that was an outline that yeah,
I know, I know, I know, but you're calling it
one good year and I think it was. That's what
it is. It's a spectacular spectacular, Okay. When you look
(16:39):
at what he did in in twenty nineteen, I think
it tells you that there's more that that that's more
of the Carson Wentz. Just get the Carson Wentz of
nineteen without with all the drama that was in Philadelphia,
and the Colts will be fine. George, We've got a lot,
we got, we got all showed to talk about this.
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Brandon Wweedon joins us here on Fox Sports Radio. Hey, Brandon,
gonna talk today, Aged, How are you not too bad?
Hopefully I'll let you guys down, but I'm here in
(18:30):
Oklama City. Just freeze matail off that you're like the
rest of the country, and you know, from from Texas
all the way to Minnesota and and out east as well.
It's just it's absolutely it's absurd, George. I don't want
to tell him, but here in southern California it's like
six five and sunny. But that's that's what we've got
here today. Uh, Brandon joined this. I do want to
(18:51):
get your thoughts on Tim Tebow and Fernando Tatis Jr.
A little bit later, just because of your baseball background,
But we are talking about the NFL. What does Carson
Wentz need in Indianapolis to to to turn his career
around now that he's been traded by Philadelphia. Well, I
think getting back in touch with coach, you know, with
(19:12):
the coaching staff want a system, and he's kind of
familiar with um. You know, I just think you know,
coach wreck is, you know, they're familiar with each other.
They you know, had some success together. You know, I
had some buddies like you know, who would rather have,
you know, wins or Goff in the book Good Players,
I'm like, you know, Carson Wentz didn't. He didn't forget
how to play football. I mean we're talking about a
guy that two years ago, it was playing some really
(19:34):
good football, came across a pretty nasty injury, but the
guy played some really good football. So I mean he's
got it, you know, in the tank. You know, I
just think his his confidence got a little shattered. Um,
you know, for for various reasons. One, I think they
were kind of playing musical chairs up front with the
offensive line, you know, so they never really you know,
had a had a stable offensive line in front of them,
which is always you know, very very tough. And then
(19:55):
and then his receiving corps, you know, zach Ertz was hurt.
Um receiving core as on Jeffrey was eat up there.
You know, the receiving corps was was pretty decimated as well.
So you know, he didn't have a full deck. Now
I'm not giving a free pass because you know, he
made some decisions and made some bad, you know, bad
throws here and there that were you know, a little questionable.
But um, you know, I think he's got a lot
of really good football. I mean, I think he's going
(20:16):
to an unbelievable situation in India. I I think with
that defense, you know, t Y Hilton, that running game,
that offensive line, you know, Clinton Nelson is one of
the better interior guards in football. I just think it's
a really good, good situation for him to kind of
hit the reset button and start over and kind of
get back to to what he did his first you know,
two or three years and fill him and play some
(20:38):
play some good football. Brandon, if you were vague cults,
would you just bring being that you believe that you
have a super Bowl roster besides the quarterback position, would
you solely bring in Carson Wentz as your starter or
would you look at potentially drafting a guy or bringing
a guy like Ryan Fitzpatrick or someone like that in
(21:01):
is free in free agency as well, just as an
insurance case in case you get what you got last year. Well,
and you guys m have to answer this for him.
I'm not sure what Jacoby Prosett's contract situation is. Okay, Yeah, So,
I mean, and I think he's a He's a really
good backup, you know, so if it's me, I try
to resign him one. He's familiar with that situation. If
(21:22):
he were to come in there and have to play,
he's familiar with it. So I'd probably start there. I mean, yeah,
if Ryan Fitzpatrick were to come up there, I mean,
I don't I don't, Like I said, I'm not sure
what Ryan's situation there is in Miami. I think he's
a free agent as well. But um now, I mean
I think Jacoby Brissette, he's already in place. He knows
the culture, he knows the atmosphere. You know, I would
be very very comfortable with with him as my backup
(21:45):
behind car Carson went and let him compete a little bit,
you know, but with everything they had to give up
and the money they're gonna have to absorb there with
with Carson's pretty clear he's gonna be the starter. But
um yeah, you know, I mean, the quarterback position is
just it's so tough, you know, and unless you're you know,
Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees. I mean, you know,
(22:06):
you never really feel safe, you know, And that's that's
what's crazy about the NFL. It's just it's such a
ridicule position from from pre much of time to get anywhere.
It's just it's just under the spotlight, which is you know,
that's why these guys are making forty or fifty million dollars.
You know, some of these guys are not all of them,
but some of these guys are making so much money
because it's it's obviously a very important position. But um,
(22:26):
you know, without having a list in front of me, Uh,
I said, I would, I would feel pretty comfortable with
Coper said he's he's coming and played you know pretty well. Um,
you know in spurts there. But you know, I think
they have to, you know, with Philip Ropers moving on,
I think that's to feel pretty good with with the
direction they're going at the quarterback position. Brandon Weeden joining
us here on the Doug got Lip Show at Fox
(22:47):
Sports Radio. I'm Dan Buyer. He's George Rice Stir sitting
in for Doug today. Uh. Tim Tebow retired yesterday, of course,
you know, Tebow started his professional playing career as a
football player, ends it as a baseball player. You did
the opposite. And in seeing what what Tebow did and
Tebow officially retires, what is something that we are missing, uh,
(23:10):
that that that Tim Tebow went through or something that
we should appreciate the difficulty of what he did that
maybe you had to experience. Well, he's fortunate in a
way because he got to go to minor league baseball
making money or having money in his pocket, you know,
in the minor league baseball with a literally a Snickers
bar and un fortunately got a nice little signing about us.
But yeah, you know it's he got a little head
(23:32):
start there. But yeah, I mean, you know, his situation
obviously is very unique. He's Tim Tebow, so you know,
the the media coverage and everything that comes with it's
a little more than pretty much everybody that he was,
you know, teammates with or playing against um. And I'll
be honest, he he made it higher and played longer
than I thought he would. You know, I didn't think
it was publicity stunt by any mean, But I also
(23:55):
I didn't think he'd make it, you know, longer in
a couple of years and I thought he'd move on
and you know, getting the TV or do other things.
But yeah, I mean he's uh, you know, his story
is is unbelievable and he's obviously a very talented guy. Um,
but yeah, I mean trust me, my rookie year two
thousand two with the Yankees, Uh, just my little My
monthly payment was he was like eight fifty dollars a month.
(24:17):
And unfortunately I was with the Yankees and George Steinbrenner,
had he paid for our hotel or else, I had
to pay for living. And at that point, I'm pretty
much paying the play. So I got I got pretty lucky.
So he you know, like I said, Tebow came in
with a with a pocket full of cash, and so
his life was a little bit easier. But he was
able to, uh, he was able to play, like I said,
a lot longer than I expected. Just to jump in here,
(24:39):
it sounds like it was a lot easier. Is that
something that we should take take with a grain of
salt of what he did. I I didn't mean to
set it up as like a praising thing for Tebow,
but it does sound like that. You know, there are
some people that questioned whether he got as far as
he did if he would have just been you know,
Joe Jones or something like that. But it is, I mean,
(24:59):
it is that the case with with Tebow's situation is
it maybe not as spectacular as as we you know,
kind of wanted to frame it to be. Yeah, I mean,
if if he puts up those numbers and he's, like
you said, Joe Smith, you know, does he make it
the double air triple A? And probably not? But it's
Tim Tebow and he's got the name, the kind of
(25:19):
kind of back everything, which that's that's the tricky part.
So he's basically going in there essentially like a first
round pick or the first one of the first picks
because of who he is, which is it's just fine,
I get it. But um, yeah, I mean, you know,
my onlyague min only baseball is a it's a it's
a grind and a different grind than than what he's
probably used to in the NFL or you can college football.
So um, you know, my hats off to him for
(25:42):
doing as long as you did. But you know, like
I said, I I've never watched Hi play a game.
I watched him. VP's obviously got some power MVP, but
you know his numbers alone, you know, did didn't jump
off the off the TV screen at you? You know? So?
Um again, that's why I kind of say, I think
I'm kind of shocked play as long as you did,
and which is which is pretty impressive. Um. If you're
(26:04):
looking at the state of the NFL right right now,
Brandon in terms of having so many quarterbacks on the move,
and it seems like the teams are willing to give
up on guys like Carson Wentz and Jared Golf that
clearly they invested a hundred million dollar contracts. And what
do you think that that is? Do you think that
(26:25):
that's that the coaches and the gms are doing a
bad job evaluating talent or that they're doing a poor
job of coaching them up. Um, well, I think each
situation is probably different. I would say a little bit
of maybe both. But you know, the NFL is such
a mean During the season, it's such a week to
week league. And you win one week, you're gonna win
(26:47):
the Super Bowl. You're losing next week to the worst
team the NFL. I mean, it's just such it's just
such a roller coaster. Promotions and that's kind of way.
There's every offseason with these guys, you know, they go
out and have an average of blow average year. Everybody's
writting them off. Let's let's go, let's find the next guy.
Let's go out and you know, unless you're you know,
Deshaun watching these young guys that have had these long
term contract which I guess Carson Wentz does. But you know,
(27:08):
it's just the value of emotions with the front office
is no one's patient, you know, no one's no one's
willing to And this guy had a he had a
last he had a rough last eight weeks of the season.
You know, this, this, this, and this happened. You know,
let's give him benefit of doubt. Let's let brust bring
him here as a starter come two thousand twenty one,
unless see what happens that that doesn't happen more. No
(27:29):
one's no one's patient enough anymore. So, um, you know,
you look at you know, Jared Goff's situation when he
was Sean McVeigh, I mean, Sean McBey is a brilliant
offensive minds we all know, and Jared Goff, I mean
took him the Super Bowl and next thing, you know,
He's getting traded to Detroit from Matthew Stafford, a couple
of you know, with a couple of first round picks.
You know. So it wasn't that wasn't very long ago
(27:49):
that Jared Goff is playing the super Bowl. You know.
So the NFL man, it'll it'll bite you in the
in the ask before you know it. I mean, it's
just it happens so fast, and um, you know, what
have you done for me lately? And that that's it's
just a it's a nasty, nasty business. Especially at the
quarterback position. They're always looking to find that next guy.
And um, you know I would say, well, shoot, there's
(28:10):
probably what nine or ten twelve teams that are looking
for a quarterback this offseason, and and uh you know
once they get there, they'll probably be still looking over
their shoulder. And you know, teams are still gonna be
looking to try to find that next guy. So it's
just yep, you gotta win. It's always to it. Just
just win, baby, and then went out out David said, forever,
you just gotta win. I mean, that's just that's just
(28:31):
the way it is. Takes care of everything. He's Brandon
Wheed and our Fox Sports Radio NFL analyst, former quarterback
and as we talked about the day, uh former a
minor league picture. Brandon, We appreciate it. Have a great weekend,
and uh be safe and be warm and in frozen
Oklahoma if you will. I'm trying, man, I'm trying. It's
freezing cold there. I'll get it. It's screwing up my
golf game, but but I'll get over. Hopefully it does. Quick.
(28:55):
Appreciate it. Brandon Wheden joining us here on Fox Sports Radio.
He's George Rice stir I Dan Buyer sitting in for
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A lot for the farmers at George Fox Sports Radio
Studios called what eight to eight farmers and you could
(29:17):
save a whole lot of something on auto insurance. Fernando
Tatis Jr. Got a fourteen year, three D and forty
million dollar extension from the San Diego Padres last night.
What a deal for the twenty two year old, but
a deal, George. For the sounds of it, you thought
maybe was rushed a little bit. Oh yeah, yeah, see, okay.
(29:39):
I have never, I will never and do never begrudge
players for getting their money. I think that this is
a deal that the Padres look at as if they're right.
They're gonna have him for what twenty four twenty six
million dollars during his prime. The back end when he's
thirty six may not look too hot, but salaries will
(30:01):
be way up at that time too, So they're hoping
that they can get a couple of World Series in
the process and all of that. The issue, my only
question about this is that it feels rust for the Padres.
He has played a grand total of a hundred and
forty three baseball games over the course of two seasons.
(30:22):
And we know how baseball numbers work that they you
just can't just you know, take part of a season
because players get hot, they you know, the numbers regress
to the mean. We just don't know what the mean is.
So I think he played eighty nine games his first
(30:44):
year and then forty six last year, or fifty six
something something like that. Either way, it adds up to
a hundred and uh forty three games and you're just
standing I'm standing there looking. I'm like, Okay, he's twenty
two years old. If I'm the Padres and they have
four more of years until he reaches free agency, that
means that you have a guy who's going to take
(31:05):
a deal like this any time over the next two
years because he's not gonna get paid and he's not
gonna want to be hitting forty home runs for the
next two seasons without getting a major contract. So why
not wait until after this season when you know for sure,
after he puts in you know, a hundred thirty plus games,
(31:27):
and you can say, all right, yeah, this is continuing
on this trend. So now give him, you know, instead
of a fourteen year deal, give him a thirteen year
or a twelve year deal because he's going to take it. Well,
here's I can see that portion of it. Like, if
I'm the Padres, you don't want to push it and
(31:47):
and and wait three years to do it, because during
that time you can end up souring. Um, maybe Fernando
Tatis Jr. Is a little frustrated. Maybe there's just a
lot can happen. I think that this is different for
two reasons. Number one. Even with the Padres and the
move that they are making, this really signifies that this
(32:10):
is just a different organization with a j prelor running it,
that they are they are committed in that they are
willing to do it. Now, are they gonna be on
the hook for the full fourteen years if things don't
work out? Probably not. I mean, I mean, I think
we all expect the Yankees, like in seven years to
be like, all right, what do you you know, like
if it doesn't work out in San Diego, is there's
(32:30):
something that can be done? However, at this point, it's
it signifies as well that the Padres are committed to
Fernando Tatis Jr. And they're committed to winning, and they're
committed to the players. And I think it's going to help,
whether it be in free agency or it's going to
help just with the fan base in in making that
(32:53):
sort of statement. And I'll also say this, I think
that Tatis has it. I think that he's got that
that that special thing that we've you know, we all
want Mike Trout to have it. But for as great
as Mike Trout is, he doesn't have it. And that's
of being you know, the superstar that can that can
reach the masses, that can reach outside of baseball, and
(33:16):
there's something about Fernando Tatis Jr. That That has that
and so I could see on why they want to
do that. And now just by just by signing him
to this deal, it raises the name of the Padres up.
Whether they can compete with the Dodgers, we'll find out
on the field, but when you take everything outside of that,
I think that's why they needed to do it. This
(33:37):
could be he could be the next superstar in in
Major League Baseball, and I think that's how that that's
how the Padres viewed this, and they didn't want to
take any chances. And if it works out, there's likely
going to be different deals. Maybe he'll want more money,
but at some time maybe he'll be a bargain. But
I just commend the Padres for doing it because it
(33:58):
completely changes a narrative about an organization, especially in a
league where we're seeing teams just punt on seasons and
not even want to be competitive. They're going for it
after having such a drought for so many years, now
that they've got a foundation, the Blake Snell, you know,
deal with another one the Padres Aaronant I commend him
for doing so. I think it was a much more
(34:19):
bigger baseball world though than just on the field and
what his production is going to be. I think that
they feel that superstardom could be on the horizon and
you want to lock him in with that. Yeah, like
there's no debate about that. But okay, I look at
Fernando Tatis in his career trajectory. Then I look at
a guy like Juan Soto who is a year younger
(34:42):
and he's actually played pretty much two full seasons in
the MLB and then the trunk cat it last season,
and his splits are at least just as good and
better in some cases, Like that's the like I wouldn't
have any questions about that deal to one so because
he's played full seasons as opposed to Fernando Tatis, who
(35:04):
hasn't even played a total of a full season. Shortstop,
you know, a big position there, there's I I just
I think that there's I'm not I'm not worried about
Fernando Tatis not producing. Maybe I'll be wrong, but I
just I don't think that another season would have changed
anything when it when it comes to the padres. I
(35:25):
think it's a much much bigger deal, uh than that
it is. It is the elevation of the brand of
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(36:08):
It is the Doug Gottlip Show. A lot for the
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for a quote, He's George rice Stir, the six year
NFL VET. I'm Dan Buyer sitting in for Doug today,
and it's time to play a game. Okay, This is
game time side on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Ralph Irvan
(36:29):
is at the news desk. It's a Thursday. I think
I know what we've got, but what is it? Ralph?
What do we have today? Burn? Because I feel a draft?
All right? This is the deal. We usually do two
rounds because of time constraints, We're doing one round today,
so just one round. Your pick is where it is. George,
(36:51):
Rice stir, Ralph Irvin, myself, John Ramos, and our executive
producer lead To Lap will be in on the draft,
drafting our favorite tennis player of all time. George, you
have the first overall pick. Then it's Ramos, Lee, myself
and Ralph. George, you get to pick your favorite tennis
player of all time. You're on the clock at number one.
(37:13):
Give me the goat. I'm taking the goat. The greatest
of all time, the greatest tennis players that's ever walked
this earth, Serena Williams. Rena Williams ousted in last night
semifinals of the Australian Open. Or if you're at Australia
Today's you get the point. Serena goes number one. John Ramos,
you are at number two. I'm gonna take beyond Boring Boring.
(37:38):
He's my favorite growing up. I love to watch that
guy play, So people bored number two. Alright, Lee, you
are on the clock at number three. This is a
tough one. I almost went us, but I'm gonna go
with the Spaniard Roufael Nadal for my favorite. Interesting jeez,
this is a tough one. You know what, I'll back
it up. I'll go Roger Federer at number four. So
(38:00):
we've got Federer Nadal at number four. Ralph, you are
up at five. I'll just take the real greatest of
all time. That would be Rod Labor, the only person
ever win two Grand Slams. He did it in sixty
two in sixty nine. He was banned for all the
Grand Slams in between. Imagine how many he would have won.
Oh and by the way, they're still selling his shoes
(38:21):
sixty years later after that first Grand Slam. That street cred.
This is game time. Oh man, I really wish we
could have gotten to the second round, but we just
had so much jam packed in the first hour. No Sampras,
no Agacy, no Djokovic, norof none of that. No mcenarro.
(38:43):
What a draft it is. He's George Royster. I'm Dan Buyer.
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