September 18, 2024 • 13 mins
FIRST WITH YESTERDAY'S NEWS (highlights from Wednesday on Newstalk ZB) Nobody, Apparently/You Don't Want To End Up Like Mexico/Why China Rules/Scamtalk ZB/A New Combo On Afternoons
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Thursday.
First with yesterday's news, I am Glen Hart and we
are looking back at Wednesday and yeah, so another day,
another mill closure. This is a disturbing trend, isn't it?
Or is it? China is taking over the world and
there doesn't seem to be anything we can do to
stop them. And do we even want to? Marcus was
(00:48):
on scam Alert last night with his show, and the
afternoon show has some new hosts. Bust our new host
and then one host who's sort of been doing it
on and off for quite a while. But before any
of that, Yeah, so, jeez, who to be a teacher?
We've got a teacher shortage and it's had to know
what to do about it? Really?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Is it the pay that's putting people off? Is it
the fact that teachers have to be all of the
service jobs I mentioned. Not only do they have the
duty of teaching, they also have to be police officers,
social welfare workers, nurses, psychological counselors. If they were just
(01:30):
allowed to teach and do what they trained for, would
that be sufficient to get people packed into the job
or those who have left the the profession, or to
encourage others into it. Generally, teachers follow teachers follow teachers.
You know, if you have a mother or a father
(01:55):
that was a teacher, somebody in the family tends to
follow suit. Is that what is happening within your family?
I would love to hear from those of you who
do have some experience of teaching, either with children at
school or a teacher in the family. What is it
that the profession needs to do to market itself as
(02:19):
an attractive one for young people? Or are service jobs
just not doing it for the kids anymore. They want
the bright lights, they want a bit of farm, they
want a bit of pizazz, and teaching is not that certainly.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
My feeling is that a large percentage of young people
these days are wanting to jump ahead a little bit.
And by that I mean in societal trends and norms
haven't quite got to the point where we don't need
(02:55):
things like teachers anymore, because we can just let AI
take care of it. You can just plug into a
headset and get your learning that way. We haven't quite
got there. And it's the same for a lot of jobs,
a lot of what you call nine to five perhaps
blue collar jobs that perhaps in the future in Wally's world,
(03:17):
are all being done by computers and buy machines. And
I think this is my own personal theory and I'm
not really basing it on anything other than popular culture
and discussions with young people that I have in my
life that they just don't want to work a full
time nine to five job anymore, and they don't see
why they should have to, because surely there is other
(03:40):
ways of taking care of those tasks. They'd rather do
something that's more fun.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
And who could blame news talk?
Speaker 5 (03:48):
Has it been?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Certainly who wants to keep going to school after you've
left school? That there's to be my feeling about being
a teacher anyway. Let's move on to the latest mill closure.
So we've had a series of mill closures. Does that
about wrap it up? For meals? Do you think a
meal is one of those jobs that we were just
talking about then that we just don't really do them anymore.
Speaker 6 (04:11):
Let's be clear, right that kind of manufacturing that we're
talking about here that's closing down of low grade product
is only viable in really poor economies where people are
paid poorly and where input costs like labor and energy
and so on are cheap. Now that was us for
a while there, but increasingly that's not us anymore. That's
(04:32):
part of why OG is shutting down here because, as
they say, people in New Zealand are paid too much
for them to be able to make a decent profit.
Now is that bad? Is it bad that we're letting
go of being a poor economy and what's happening instead
is that we are growing what we call the knowledge
economy in this country, right, the really smart stuff, the
F and P, healthcare, the rocket labs. That part of
(04:54):
our economy is growing faster than the rest of our economy.
We've been talking about wanting to grow the knowledge economy
since the two thousands, for twenty years. That is the
future of our country. Now I realized this isn't a
straight a maths equation here. You don't take a work
from OG paper mill and just give them a job
at rocket Lab and think that that's going to work.
It's not a It doesn't. You can't. It's just not
(05:15):
a maths equation. It just doesn't work like that in
an economy. It's not how economies work, which means of
course that there are real life people out there who
are going to be hurt by the d industrialization of
the country. There are entire regions like u Ape who
we're going to be really badly impacted. But in the
long run, is that all that bad? I mean, if
we start looking here in New Zealand more like a
Scandinavian economy and less like Mexico, is that a bad thing?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
We'll drive by Mexico. There not too many Mexicans listening
to that, you know how excited they'd be to hear
it either slamming Mexico anyway, Ques talk zib Actually from
(05:58):
Mexico to China. Ryan's been having a look at sort
of geopolitics, global economies, and he thinks that China's got
a bit of a plan. Why take over the world
militarily when you can do it economically.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
They are going to meet to talk to their counterparts
about a wave of Chinese goods flooding world markets. So output.
China obviously has enormous manufacturing capacity and enormous machine behind it,
and the output has gotten too large for the world
to absorb. The strategy by China, they reckon and this
(06:36):
is why the US officials are going there. The strategy
is demand at home is a bit weaker for them,
so they pump up production and they ship the excess offshore.
The idea is they would build more resilient supply chains
throughout the world. They'll get us hooked on cheap goods.
I mean, think we're like crack addicts at a dollar store,
aren't we think about EV's the huge subsidies that go
(06:58):
on there, you know, your temuchine, those types of websites,
and they are squeezing in the process, squeezing other manufacturers
around the world, including the Uni States, which is why
the United States is setting a delegation to go and
say stop that please. It's also why you're seeing a response,
a tariff response from Europe, from the US, even some
(07:19):
friendly Asian states, even you know, places like Indonesia are
starting to put tariffs on China. The goal seems to
be from them, subsidize these manufacturers, flood the market around
the world, build supply lines, resilient supply lines, hook us
in on these cheap goods. And in the process destroy
(07:42):
the competition.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah, I guess the problem is when they start judging
us full price again are Uber can't think of other things?
But there are other things you know that start off
on Netflix Spotify. You know, they rope you and initially
don't you being cheap? They operated a loss and then yeah,
(08:08):
very much as rise he is once you hooked, and
the question the price up. It's a model as old
as time, right, So it was a scam talks he'd
be last night on Marcus's show. He didn't know what
QR stood for, but he knew that people were being
sacked in by QR.
Speaker 7 (08:29):
Codes on the scams, particular scam with a que. I
don't know what does QR stand for? Guys, I don't
know what QR stands for.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
I got no.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
I could google up, but.
Speaker 7 (08:41):
High Lisa Lee?
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Should I call you?
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Lisa?
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Is it right, Lisa? Lisa is welcome?
Speaker 5 (08:47):
Yeah, Hi, Micas, Thanks. I heard you talking about scams
and I thought I'll ring up and just let people
know what's happened to me. It's about a month ago.
I got a text from am Z and it came
from a short code number, you like five eight one
four and it sees your account, your am zet accounts
being investigated. It's for forduling activity. Please click the below
(09:07):
lengths to purify it.
Speaker 8 (09:10):
I wouldn't pick that, yeah, no, no, no.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
So it was a NZZ, dot CO dot MZ, and
I was thinking, Oh, the tricky thing was the short
code text that came from. I scrolled up in my
sort of eye messages that I've had previous messages from
A and Z, like genuine messages from them saying oh,
you know, please check this your your smart code is
such and such. But I thought it was a little
bit suspicious, so I correct on an EACU. I was
(09:34):
quite curious to see what it was, and it actually
tut me. It took me to a screen that looked
exactly like my am z go money app, and it
so please put in your you know, it's put in
your customer number, put in your password whatever. So I thought, oh,
this is so dodgy. So I wrung them and I said, hey,
you know, this has happened to me, and they said, yep,
we've seen a few of these come through. But it
(09:55):
was quite scary the fact it came from a short
code text and they said, oh, this is not something
we've seen before. Sometimes you get it from a random
O to one number or like a random white plus
four full number, but never from a short code number
and never from one bat had. And it's actually tested
me from before. So I thought it was very, very
weird in dodgy and yeah, just I'll let your listeners.
Speaker 7 (10:16):
But you you were aware of it and you still click.
You were kind of suspicious but still click because I'm
always that's part of me. A boring day, I'm on
the phone, something click on that.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
That'll be exciting. I guess there's people who do that
for the job, isn't here you people who work at
these cybersecurity firms, you know, trying to combat the scammers.
They must have sort of like what do they call
them ear gap computers and things where they just deliberately
click the links to see what happens and you know,
(10:49):
don't actually have real credit card details and stuff like that.
That would be quite fun.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I suppose News Talk Zi Bean, we're.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Going to finish up year with the news that it'll
be Nat Heath and Tyler Adams taking care of you
in the afternoon on zd B going forward. So that's good.
News for Tyler.
Speaker 8 (11:08):
Now, I just want to have a make a quick mention.
There was an announcement today that Matt Heath Hodaki breakfast hosts, author, speaker, actor,
all around good bugger, he will be joining News Talk
ZB as host of the Afternoons and I will be
sitting alongside him. That starts on October the seventh. And
if you don't know Matt, I just wanted to say,
and we'll talk more about this when Matt joins, but
(11:29):
he's truly one of life's good blokes. He's talented, is
all how, very clever, and most importantly, he's just great fun.
He's got some big takes. He takes it to some
weird places sometimes, And again I want to wait till
Matt's here and we can say more about that, but
just know that we absolutely want to carry on the
legacy that our old mates built on this show, and
(11:50):
that's hugely important to us. So we're gonna have some
sideways views on big and not so big conundrums, and
we're gonna be open, and we're always going to respect you,
the listeners and our callers and texters, but you're gonna
love Matt. He is a good bloke and it's gonna
be a hell of a ride. But as I say,
we'll talk more about that on October.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
The seven of on on a stage doesn't let the
start something like Fevers seventh, like starting something on September
eleventh these days, isn't it's starting a favorite. I don't
think there's any connection with anything there. Of course, Tyler
is usually the producer of the afternoon's show because he's
not going to keep doing that and be doing the
(12:31):
talking part as well as he It sounds like hard work,
and as we've already stilled on this podcast, if young
people don't like hard work, and they shouldn't have to
do it, so I'm sure that's not happening. I am
mean heart. I've never done a day's hard work in
my life. Actually, I used to work as the seat
store busting at anchor seed in some days. Used to
(12:53):
work building nowadays for the overtime, so it was quite hard.
And then I used to work on an orchard and
then I just pray everything afoor, weding myself all day
long in pty degree heat from the looted.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
It was quite good.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
But since then I haven't really been doing very much
except talking to you guys, so thanks for listening and
we'll do it again tomorrow. It's all fun.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
It's all just a.
Speaker 8 (13:17):
Bit of fun.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
News Talking is talking, z it been. For more from
News Talk zed B, listen live on air or online,
and keep our shows with you wherever you go with
our podcasts on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sed B.
Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on
iHeartRadio Used Talk sed BE you Talk said.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Thursday.
First with yesterday's news, I am Glen Hart and we
are looking back at Wednesday and yeah, so another day,
another mill closure. This is a disturbing trend, isn't it?
Or is it? China is taking over the world and
there doesn't seem to be anything we can do to
stop them. And do we even want to? Marcus was
(00:48):
on scam Alert last night with his show, and the
afternoon show has some new hosts. Bust our new host
and then one host who's sort of been doing it
on and off for quite a while. But before any
of that, Yeah, so, jeez, who to be a teacher?
We've got a teacher shortage and it's had to know
what to do about it? Really?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Is it the pay that's putting people off? Is it
the fact that teachers have to be all of the
service jobs I mentioned. Not only do they have the
duty of teaching, they also have to be police officers,
social welfare workers, nurses, psychological counselors. If they were just
(01:30):
allowed to teach and do what they trained for, would
that be sufficient to get people packed into the job
or those who have left the the profession, or to
encourage others into it. Generally, teachers follow teachers follow teachers.
You know, if you have a mother or a father
(01:55):
that was a teacher, somebody in the family tends to
follow suit. Is that what is happening within your family?
I would love to hear from those of you who
do have some experience of teaching, either with children at
school or a teacher in the family. What is it
that the profession needs to do to market itself as
(02:19):
an attractive one for young people? Or are service jobs
just not doing it for the kids anymore. They want
the bright lights, they want a bit of farm, they
want a bit of pizazz, and teaching is not that certainly.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
My feeling is that a large percentage of young people
these days are wanting to jump ahead a little bit.
And by that I mean in societal trends and norms
haven't quite got to the point where we don't need
(02:55):
things like teachers anymore, because we can just let AI
take care of it. You can just plug into a
headset and get your learning that way. We haven't quite
got there. And it's the same for a lot of jobs,
a lot of what you call nine to five perhaps
blue collar jobs that perhaps in the future in Wally's world,
(03:17):
are all being done by computers and buy machines. And
I think this is my own personal theory and I'm
not really basing it on anything other than popular culture
and discussions with young people that I have in my
life that they just don't want to work a full
time nine to five job anymore, and they don't see
why they should have to, because surely there is other
(03:40):
ways of taking care of those tasks. They'd rather do
something that's more fun.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
And who could blame news talk?
Speaker 5 (03:48):
Has it been?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Certainly who wants to keep going to school after you've
left school? That there's to be my feeling about being
a teacher anyway. Let's move on to the latest mill closure.
So we've had a series of mill closures. Does that
about wrap it up? For meals? Do you think a
meal is one of those jobs that we were just
talking about then that we just don't really do them anymore.
Speaker 6 (04:11):
Let's be clear, right that kind of manufacturing that we're
talking about here that's closing down of low grade product
is only viable in really poor economies where people are
paid poorly and where input costs like labor and energy
and so on are cheap. Now that was us for
a while there, but increasingly that's not us anymore. That's
(04:32):
part of why OG is shutting down here because, as
they say, people in New Zealand are paid too much
for them to be able to make a decent profit.
Now is that bad? Is it bad that we're letting
go of being a poor economy and what's happening instead
is that we are growing what we call the knowledge
economy in this country, right, the really smart stuff, the
F and P, healthcare, the rocket labs. That part of
(04:54):
our economy is growing faster than the rest of our economy.
We've been talking about wanting to grow the knowledge economy
since the two thousands, for twenty years. That is the
future of our country. Now I realized this isn't a
straight a maths equation here. You don't take a work
from OG paper mill and just give them a job
at rocket Lab and think that that's going to work.
It's not a It doesn't. You can't. It's just not
(05:15):
a maths equation. It just doesn't work like that in
an economy. It's not how economies work, which means of
course that there are real life people out there who
are going to be hurt by the d industrialization of
the country. There are entire regions like u Ape who
we're going to be really badly impacted. But in the
long run, is that all that bad? I mean, if
we start looking here in New Zealand more like a
Scandinavian economy and less like Mexico, is that a bad thing?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
We'll drive by Mexico. There not too many Mexicans listening
to that, you know how excited they'd be to hear
it either slamming Mexico anyway, Ques talk zib Actually from
(05:58):
Mexico to China. Ryan's been having a look at sort
of geopolitics, global economies, and he thinks that China's got
a bit of a plan. Why take over the world
militarily when you can do it economically.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
They are going to meet to talk to their counterparts
about a wave of Chinese goods flooding world markets. So output.
China obviously has enormous manufacturing capacity and enormous machine behind it,
and the output has gotten too large for the world
to absorb. The strategy by China, they reckon and this
(06:36):
is why the US officials are going there. The strategy
is demand at home is a bit weaker for them,
so they pump up production and they ship the excess offshore.
The idea is they would build more resilient supply chains
throughout the world. They'll get us hooked on cheap goods.
I mean, think we're like crack addicts at a dollar store,
aren't we think about EV's the huge subsidies that go
(06:58):
on there, you know, your temuchine, those types of websites,
and they are squeezing in the process, squeezing other manufacturers
around the world, including the Uni States, which is why
the United States is setting a delegation to go and
say stop that please. It's also why you're seeing a response,
a tariff response from Europe, from the US, even some
(07:19):
friendly Asian states, even you know, places like Indonesia are
starting to put tariffs on China. The goal seems to
be from them, subsidize these manufacturers, flood the market around
the world, build supply lines, resilient supply lines, hook us
in on these cheap goods. And in the process destroy
(07:42):
the competition.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah, I guess the problem is when they start judging
us full price again are Uber can't think of other things?
But there are other things you know that start off
on Netflix Spotify. You know, they rope you and initially
don't you being cheap? They operated a loss and then yeah,
(08:08):
very much as rise he is once you hooked, and
the question the price up. It's a model as old
as time, right, So it was a scam talks he'd
be last night on Marcus's show. He didn't know what
QR stood for, but he knew that people were being
sacked in by QR.
Speaker 7 (08:29):
Codes on the scams, particular scam with a que. I
don't know what does QR stand for? Guys, I don't
know what QR stands for.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
I got no.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
I could google up, but.
Speaker 7 (08:41):
High Lisa Lee?
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Should I call you?
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Lisa?
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Is it right, Lisa? Lisa is welcome?
Speaker 5 (08:47):
Yeah, Hi, Micas, Thanks. I heard you talking about scams
and I thought I'll ring up and just let people
know what's happened to me. It's about a month ago.
I got a text from am Z and it came
from a short code number, you like five eight one
four and it sees your account, your am zet accounts
being investigated. It's for forduling activity. Please click the below
(09:07):
lengths to purify it.
Speaker 8 (09:10):
I wouldn't pick that, yeah, no, no, no.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
So it was a NZZ, dot CO dot MZ, and
I was thinking, Oh, the tricky thing was the short
code text that came from. I scrolled up in my
sort of eye messages that I've had previous messages from
A and Z, like genuine messages from them saying oh,
you know, please check this your your smart code is
such and such. But I thought it was a little
bit suspicious, so I correct on an EACU. I was
(09:34):
quite curious to see what it was, and it actually
tut me. It took me to a screen that looked
exactly like my am z go money app, and it
so please put in your you know, it's put in
your customer number, put in your password whatever. So I thought, oh,
this is so dodgy. So I wrung them and I said, hey,
you know, this has happened to me, and they said, yep,
we've seen a few of these come through. But it
(09:55):
was quite scary the fact it came from a short
code text and they said, oh, this is not something
we've seen before. Sometimes you get it from a random
O to one number or like a random white plus
four full number, but never from a short code number
and never from one bat had. And it's actually tested
me from before. So I thought it was very, very
weird in dodgy and yeah, just I'll let your listeners.
Speaker 7 (10:16):
But you you were aware of it and you still click.
You were kind of suspicious but still click because I'm
always that's part of me. A boring day, I'm on
the phone, something click on that.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
That'll be exciting. I guess there's people who do that
for the job, isn't here you people who work at
these cybersecurity firms, you know, trying to combat the scammers.
They must have sort of like what do they call
them ear gap computers and things where they just deliberately
click the links to see what happens and you know,
(10:49):
don't actually have real credit card details and stuff like that.
That would be quite fun.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I suppose News Talk Zi Bean, we're.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Going to finish up year with the news that it'll
be Nat Heath and Tyler Adams taking care of you
in the afternoon on zd B going forward. So that's good.
News for Tyler.
Speaker 8 (11:08):
Now, I just want to have a make a quick mention.
There was an announcement today that Matt Heath Hodaki breakfast hosts, author, speaker, actor,
all around good bugger, he will be joining News Talk
ZB as host of the Afternoons and I will be
sitting alongside him. That starts on October the seventh. And
if you don't know Matt, I just wanted to say,
and we'll talk more about this when Matt joins, but
(11:29):
he's truly one of life's good blokes. He's talented, is
all how, very clever, and most importantly, he's just great fun.
He's got some big takes. He takes it to some
weird places sometimes, And again I want to wait till
Matt's here and we can say more about that, but
just know that we absolutely want to carry on the
legacy that our old mates built on this show, and
(11:50):
that's hugely important to us. So we're gonna have some
sideways views on big and not so big conundrums, and
we're gonna be open, and we're always going to respect you,
the listeners and our callers and texters, but you're gonna
love Matt. He is a good bloke and it's gonna
be a hell of a ride. But as I say,
we'll talk more about that on October.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
The seven of on on a stage doesn't let the
start something like Fevers seventh, like starting something on September
eleventh these days, isn't it's starting a favorite. I don't
think there's any connection with anything there. Of course, Tyler
is usually the producer of the afternoon's show because he's
not going to keep doing that and be doing the
(12:31):
talking part as well as he It sounds like hard work,
and as we've already stilled on this podcast, if young
people don't like hard work, and they shouldn't have to
do it, so I'm sure that's not happening. I am
mean heart. I've never done a day's hard work in
my life. Actually, I used to work as the seat
store busting at anchor seed in some days. Used to
(12:53):
work building nowadays for the overtime, so it was quite hard.
And then I used to work on an orchard and
then I just pray everything afoor, weding myself all day
long in pty degree heat from the looted.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
It was quite good.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
But since then I haven't really been doing very much
except talking to you guys, so thanks for listening and
we'll do it again tomorrow. It's all fun.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
It's all just a.
Speaker 8 (13:17):
Bit of fun.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
News Talking is talking, z it been. For more from
News Talk zed B, listen live on air or online,
and keep our shows with you wherever you go with
our podcasts on iHeartRadio.
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