December 8, 2025 • 11 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Tuesday.
First of yesterday's news. I am Glenn Hart. We're looking
back at Wednesday. So this whole cost skimming, Mark Mitchell,
this is a sticky old mess. It's like that tar
(00:45):
Baby story where rabbit and all of that. Oh see
if you're anywhere near this thing and you just get
drawn into it. Apparently teens not drinking. It's the worst
thing that they can do. But before any of that,
speaking of young people, So Australia is you know, tracking
(01:09):
on with their social media ban and now of course
there's talk of it coming here.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
That was announced about I don't know, we felt it
was this year. On the show, people said that the
Australia is going to ban social media, and instantly on
the phone, I was undated by people say, oh, I
work in technology or I work and it will never happen.
It's impossible. Seems to me they're making a pretty good
fist of it. Seems to me that in Australia they
(01:37):
will ban social media for those under sixteen, and they've
made the onus on the social media companies to do it,
and they've actually reluctantly at the last minute said that
they will do what they need to do to stop
sixteen year old's been on their platforms and they're the
ones that get I think that get penalized if they
(01:57):
are on there around sixteen. So yeah, it seems to
have worked. But I saw on social media feeds today
that apparently in some discussion, and I haven't kind of
fact checked it, because why would you fact checked something
if it's going to lead to a good discussion. Hopefully,
Erica Stanford has indicated that in fact will happen in
New Zealand. So I don't know where you are on this.
(02:22):
I am someone that probably what would I say. I
haven't got a huge amount in common with a lot
of the government's policies. I liked when the National government
got away with that right hand turn rule. Thought there
(02:46):
was one of Stephen Joyce's finest moments. It's been a
few years ago nowt But this policy of Stanford's, if
in fact it is her policy, this appears to be
something she said in a podcast A potty and policy
by podcast. I'm not quite sure if that's even a thing. However,
(03:07):
the social put me your band and I have children
that are twelve and ten. To me, it seems like
quite a good thing.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I think most policies are formed in podcasts these days,
aren't they. I think most discussions, most thoughts, most ideas
come out of podcasts, certainly all of mine.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Did news Talk Ze Bean.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Anyway, Ryan Bridge, he's sitting in on the Drive show
for the next couple of weeks while here that does
the Breakfast Show, and he's drawn some kind of links
between regulating social media and trying to do something about
climate change.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Climate change and the internet posts similar problems because they
are global in nature, and because they are global in nature,
you need kumbaia from all corners of the globe to
address them. Look how that goes and works for the
UN It doesn't, does it?
Speaker 5 (04:06):
You know that?
Speaker 4 (04:07):
The truth of it is, if we really wanted to
solve these problems, if we really did, the quickest, most
effective way would be individual action, wouldn't it. We could
each and every one of us tomorrow take phones off
children and put them in the bin. We could walk
to work tomorrow and not drive our cars. But we won't,
(04:28):
will we. A pole out of Australia says seventy percent
of parents there support the band. Guess how many said
in the very same poll they would actually enforce it
with their own children, less than a third. It's the
same logic that has seen the Ford Ranger Ute, the
gas s guzzler, the Big marchro bull of an A
(04:50):
to B topping the top sales list of vehicles in
this country for ten years running. And that's the real
problem with these global problems. Governments make a big song
and dance, but fundamentally, individually, we don't actually see them
as real problems.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Do we don't. You just ignore stuff and it goes away.
Isn't that how it works? I'm pretty sure that's that's
what I do with my kids anyway. So whatever trouble
they were getting onto in social media, I assume that
just took care of itself. And I'm sure the same
thing will work with the climate as well. Talk So yeah, basically,
(05:34):
anybody anywhere near the police has not been afforded the
luxury of ignoring it and hoping that it goes away.
It seems like these conflicting stories about what Mark Metell knew,
when and how and who told him what.
Speaker 6 (05:50):
My whole impression after the interview is that everyone was
a bit loose. It's a tawdry tale of bad judgment
at the top of our public service, both the public
servants and of course the politicians. And remember the buck
always stops at the top, and the politicians are at
the top. It also reminded me that the police battles
at the top levels of our public service are actually
(06:11):
very vicious affairs, and everyone plays a very hard game.
And Richard Chambers was in competition with a very competent
police officer, Ed mcskimming, who had a hidden sex life
and a pre dilection for animals. But you have to
wonder how Richard Chamber Chambers in that competition didn't know
anything on what did he know? Who knows who was
(06:31):
taking notes? Nobody, So at the end of it all,
one can only hope that mister Costa and missus Z
find some new normal and some peace and everyone learns
to take their jobs more seriously.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
So of course, we had Matt Mitchell on the Breakfast
Show yesterday to hear his side of the story, and
he basically accused Cooster of going right off the deep end.
So I don't know what's going on use set. So
because Heads doing Breakfast and Ryan Bridges doing Drive, it
(07:07):
means John mcdone is doing the morning show. I mean
he always does the morning shows, usually just from one city,
not everywhere.
Speaker 7 (07:14):
He was everywhere.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
Mark Mitchell said to Heather this morning that he didn't
buy or swallow Andrew cost as narrative that mc skimming
was the victim. He said he intervened to try and
protect the woman that Jevan mcskimming had had the affair with.
Who when that ended, you know, the story started writing
vitriolic emails accusing the then Deputy commissioner of being a
(07:36):
sexual predator. But instead of investigating the allegations, we know
the story that emails were used by police's evidence to
prosecute her onto the Harmful Digital Communications Act. And Mark
Mitchell he told Heather this morning that he's a father
and that he pushed as much as he could as
a minister to make sure the woman was looked after.
The other thing that Andrew costera claimed in the interview
(07:58):
Yes Today was that he never interfered with emails going
to the Police Minister's office, but Mark Mitchell said this
morning that it was the commissioner's officer did that, and
it's weird that the commission and it didn't know about it.
So this is what it comes down to. It comes
down to, he says, He says, And the question I've
got for you is simple, do you believe Andrew Costa?
(08:21):
He's got no evidence to prove his allegations, and because
of that, I don't. But how believable do you think
his claims are?
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yeah, I think that's the best way to sort these
things out. We just sort of do a live poll
on talk back and then if the majority of people
think that somebody is telling the truth, then that is
the truth. It's usually how we.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Run things news talk has it been right?
Speaker 3 (08:49):
So some.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Influential scholar somewhere has decided that kids not drinking alcohol
anymore is doing them more harm than good. So less
physical harm, more mental harm because not socializing and all
that sort of stuff.
Speaker 7 (09:12):
Hey, I'm reminded of something that the comedian Drew Carey said,
and there's something along the lines of, Oh, you don't
like your boss, your job sucks, your love lives down
the toilet, you want a support group. Well, here's one.
It's called Everybody, and we meet at the bar to
me into something that actually had a little bit of
relevance in recent days, and it's the concept of the
(09:32):
third place. Have you heard about that? No, the third place.
Everybody's got at least two places in their lives. They've
got their work, they've got their home, but they don't
have that third place anymore. There's no place that we
can go to forget about home and life. We've always
got pressures on one of the other. And I think
(09:54):
the local part of the local tavern, it's served as
that third place for such a long long time, and
now we sort of bows it ourselves out of it,
if you know what I mean.
Speaker 8 (10:05):
Yeah, Do you think that that might be a function
of our culture though? Because your third pace could be
a gym, some kind of club, you know, you could
volunteers somewhere. Do you think that maybe we just we
that's just this socially acceptable third place, that the easiest
third place.
Speaker 7 (10:21):
Peter, Well, you know there's the other thing is as
we used to go to a movie theaters, we don't
do that now we stay at home and watch Netflix.
We just don't go out anymore. We don't go to restaurants.
We do door dish. We are sort of developing society
that is geared towards social isolation when we should beginning
out and meeting people and taking rooms.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
I hate going out and meeting people. I'm not sure
that alcohol is the the catalyst, though, because I certainly
consume plenty of it when on home alone. So have
I revealed too much? There? Just forget I said anything
(11:05):
until tomorrow when I watch you to come back and
hear me say thanks.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
News Talking Talking z it Bean. For more from News
Talk st B, listen live on air or online, and
keep our shows with you wherever you go with our
podcasts on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk Said Bee.
Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on
iHeartRadio Used Talk Said Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Tuesday.
First of yesterday's news. I am Glenn Hart. We're looking
back at Wednesday. So this whole cost skimming, Mark Mitchell,
this is a sticky old mess. It's like that tar
(00:45):
Baby story where rabbit and all of that. Oh see
if you're anywhere near this thing and you just get
drawn into it. Apparently teens not drinking. It's the worst
thing that they can do. But before any of that,
speaking of young people, So Australia is you know, tracking
(01:09):
on with their social media ban and now of course
there's talk of it coming here.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
That was announced about I don't know, we felt it
was this year. On the show, people said that the
Australia is going to ban social media, and instantly on
the phone, I was undated by people say, oh, I
work in technology or I work and it will never happen.
It's impossible. Seems to me they're making a pretty good
fist of it. Seems to me that in Australia they
(01:37):
will ban social media for those under sixteen, and they've
made the onus on the social media companies to do it,
and they've actually reluctantly at the last minute said that
they will do what they need to do to stop
sixteen year old's been on their platforms and they're the
ones that get I think that get penalized if they
(01:57):
are on there around sixteen. So yeah, it seems to
have worked. But I saw on social media feeds today
that apparently in some discussion, and I haven't kind of
fact checked it, because why would you fact checked something
if it's going to lead to a good discussion. Hopefully,
Erica Stanford has indicated that in fact will happen in
New Zealand. So I don't know where you are on this.
(02:22):
I am someone that probably what would I say. I
haven't got a huge amount in common with a lot
of the government's policies. I liked when the National government
got away with that right hand turn rule. Thought there
(02:46):
was one of Stephen Joyce's finest moments. It's been a
few years ago nowt But this policy of Stanford's, if
in fact it is her policy, this appears to be
something she said in a podcast A potty and policy
by podcast. I'm not quite sure if that's even a thing. However,
(03:07):
the social put me your band and I have children
that are twelve and ten. To me, it seems like
quite a good thing.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I think most policies are formed in podcasts these days,
aren't they. I think most discussions, most thoughts, most ideas
come out of podcasts, certainly all of mine.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Did news Talk Ze Bean.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Anyway, Ryan Bridge, he's sitting in on the Drive show
for the next couple of weeks while here that does
the Breakfast Show, and he's drawn some kind of links
between regulating social media and trying to do something about
climate change.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Climate change and the internet posts similar problems because they
are global in nature, and because they are global in nature,
you need kumbaia from all corners of the globe to
address them. Look how that goes and works for the
UN It doesn't, does it?
Speaker 5 (04:06):
You know that?
Speaker 4 (04:07):
The truth of it is, if we really wanted to
solve these problems, if we really did, the quickest, most
effective way would be individual action, wouldn't it. We could
each and every one of us tomorrow take phones off
children and put them in the bin. We could walk
to work tomorrow and not drive our cars. But we won't,
(04:28):
will we. A pole out of Australia says seventy percent
of parents there support the band. Guess how many said
in the very same poll they would actually enforce it
with their own children, less than a third. It's the
same logic that has seen the Ford Ranger Ute, the
gas s guzzler, the Big marchro bull of an A
(04:50):
to B topping the top sales list of vehicles in
this country for ten years running. And that's the real
problem with these global problems. Governments make a big song
and dance, but fundamentally, individually, we don't actually see them
as real problems.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Do we don't. You just ignore stuff and it goes away.
Isn't that how it works? I'm pretty sure that's that's
what I do with my kids anyway. So whatever trouble
they were getting onto in social media, I assume that
just took care of itself. And I'm sure the same
thing will work with the climate as well. Talk So yeah, basically,
(05:34):
anybody anywhere near the police has not been afforded the
luxury of ignoring it and hoping that it goes away.
It seems like these conflicting stories about what Mark Metell knew,
when and how and who told him what.
Speaker 6 (05:50):
My whole impression after the interview is that everyone was
a bit loose. It's a tawdry tale of bad judgment
at the top of our public service, both the public
servants and of course the politicians. And remember the buck
always stops at the top, and the politicians are at
the top. It also reminded me that the police battles
at the top levels of our public service are actually
(06:11):
very vicious affairs, and everyone plays a very hard game.
And Richard Chambers was in competition with a very competent
police officer, Ed mcskimming, who had a hidden sex life
and a pre dilection for animals. But you have to
wonder how Richard Chamber Chambers in that competition didn't know
anything on what did he know? Who knows who was
(06:31):
taking notes? Nobody, So at the end of it all,
one can only hope that mister Costa and missus Z
find some new normal and some peace and everyone learns
to take their jobs more seriously.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
So of course, we had Matt Mitchell on the Breakfast
Show yesterday to hear his side of the story, and
he basically accused Cooster of going right off the deep end.
So I don't know what's going on use set. So
because Heads doing Breakfast and Ryan Bridges doing Drive, it
(07:07):
means John mcdone is doing the morning show. I mean
he always does the morning shows, usually just from one city,
not everywhere.
Speaker 7 (07:14):
He was everywhere.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
Mark Mitchell said to Heather this morning that he didn't
buy or swallow Andrew cost as narrative that mc skimming
was the victim. He said he intervened to try and
protect the woman that Jevan mcskimming had had the affair with.
Who when that ended, you know, the story started writing
vitriolic emails accusing the then Deputy commissioner of being a
(07:36):
sexual predator. But instead of investigating the allegations, we know
the story that emails were used by police's evidence to
prosecute her onto the Harmful Digital Communications Act. And Mark
Mitchell he told Heather this morning that he's a father
and that he pushed as much as he could as
a minister to make sure the woman was looked after.
The other thing that Andrew costera claimed in the interview
(07:58):
Yes Today was that he never interfered with emails going
to the Police Minister's office, but Mark Mitchell said this
morning that it was the commissioner's officer did that, and
it's weird that the commission and it didn't know about it.
So this is what it comes down to. It comes
down to, he says, He says, And the question I've
got for you is simple, do you believe Andrew Costa?
(08:21):
He's got no evidence to prove his allegations, and because
of that, I don't. But how believable do you think
his claims are?
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yeah, I think that's the best way to sort these
things out. We just sort of do a live poll
on talk back and then if the majority of people
think that somebody is telling the truth, then that is
the truth. It's usually how we.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Run things news talk has it been right?
Speaker 3 (08:49):
So some.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Influential scholar somewhere has decided that kids not drinking alcohol
anymore is doing them more harm than good. So less
physical harm, more mental harm because not socializing and all
that sort of stuff.
Speaker 7 (09:12):
Hey, I'm reminded of something that the comedian Drew Carey said,
and there's something along the lines of, Oh, you don't
like your boss, your job sucks, your love lives down
the toilet, you want a support group. Well, here's one.
It's called Everybody, and we meet at the bar to
me into something that actually had a little bit of
relevance in recent days, and it's the concept of the
(09:32):
third place. Have you heard about that? No, the third place.
Everybody's got at least two places in their lives. They've
got their work, they've got their home, but they don't
have that third place anymore. There's no place that we
can go to forget about home and life. We've always
got pressures on one of the other. And I think
(09:54):
the local part of the local tavern, it's served as
that third place for such a long long time, and
now we sort of bows it ourselves out of it,
if you know what I mean.
Speaker 8 (10:05):
Yeah, Do you think that that might be a function
of our culture though? Because your third pace could be
a gym, some kind of club, you know, you could
volunteers somewhere. Do you think that maybe we just we
that's just this socially acceptable third place, that the easiest
third place.
Speaker 7 (10:21):
Peter, Well, you know there's the other thing is as
we used to go to a movie theaters, we don't
do that now we stay at home and watch Netflix.
We just don't go out anymore. We don't go to restaurants.
We do door dish. We are sort of developing society
that is geared towards social isolation when we should beginning
out and meeting people and taking rooms.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
I hate going out and meeting people. I'm not sure
that alcohol is the the catalyst, though, because I certainly
consume plenty of it when on home alone. So have
I revealed too much? There? Just forget I said anything
(11:05):
until tomorrow when I watch you to come back and
hear me say thanks.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
News Talking Talking z it Bean. For more from News
Talk st B, listen live on air or online, and
keep our shows with you wherever you go with our
podcasts on iHeartRadio
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